World Cup Recap (So far...)

9 Jul 2026 · 51 min · 20 chapters

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In short

ESPN FC World Cup recap and quarterfinal preview, focused on France vs Morocco, plus bracketology and a segment comparing World Cup countries’ cuisines. The show also revisits USA’s Round-of-16 elimination controversy involving a red card for Folarin Balogun and criticism of U.S. Soccer Federation/FIFA handling.

Guests (backgrounds)

Kevin Egan (host). Ali Krieger (former USWNT defender, World Cup experience). Neda Manua (studio host/analyst). Steve McManaman (former England/Real Madrid winger, ESPN FC analyst). Frank Leboeuf (former France World Cup winner, analyst). Colin Udoh (football analyst/commentator).

Key claims

The expanded 48-team format has been vindicated; the “best teams” remain in the last eight. France are the strongest, most balanced side and should beat Morocco if they play at 100%. Morocco are improved since 2022 and can “shape-shift” tactically; Ismail Saibari’s absence is a disadvantage. USA’s exit will be remembered mainly for the Balogun incident; football shouldn’t mix with politics.

Notable examples

France-Morocco quarterfinal rematch of 2022 semifinal; Messi breaking World Cup all-time scoring record; England’s Mexico win despite altitude and playing with 10 men; USA beating Belgium earlier but losing to Belgium amid the Balogun controversy; cuisine picks: France French onion soup, Spain tortilla espanol, Argentina milanesa with chimichurri, England Sunday roast/prime rib.

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Quarterfinal Matchup Preview

0:00 to 0:26

Discussion about the exciting matchups in the quarterfinals, focusing on France and Morocco.

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Quarterfinal Matchup Preview

1:15 to 1:50

Discussion about the exciting matchups in the quarterfinals, focusing on France and Morocco.

“My name is Kevin Egan alongside Ali Krieger.”

World Cup Highlights

1:50 to 2:15

Review of standout moments from the World Cup and the emotions of veteran players.

“Your overall thoughts on this brilliant World Cup so far?”

Performance Analysis: Teams and Players

2:15 to 2:54

Analyzing the performance of top teams and standout players in the tournament.

“Only eight nations have ever won the World Cup.”

Critique of the 48-Team Format

2:54 to 3:25

Debate about the impact of the expanded 48-team World Cup format.

“Frank Leboeuf, want to get your thoughts on this one?”

Top Goal Scorers and Records

3:25 to 4:08

Discussion about the top goal scorers and records being set during the World Cup.

“And it's true that seeing the best team in the world fighting for the title, it's really something that I was looking for.”

Game Highlights: England vs. Mexico

4:08 to 5:48

Recap of the thrilling England vs. Mexico game and its significance.

“Look, no matter how you slice it, the best teams are going to end up at the top of the pile when it comes out to the business end and that's what's going to happen.”

U.S. Soccer Federation Controversy

5:48 to 8:00

Discussion on the controversy surrounding the U.S. Soccer Federation's actions during the World Cup.

“and they stepped up and they had a hell of a game.”

Impact of Politics on the World Cup

8:00 to 10:18

Examination of how political issues have affected the World Cup narrative.

“But I could make the case that, say, France around before could have played better and maybe put Paraguay to bed the same way that the US did.”

Reflection on the US Team's Performance

14:00 to 18:00

Analyzing the impact of the Balogun incident on the US team's performance.

“If they would have beaten Belgium, we still would have been talking about it.”
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US Team's World Cup Exit and Future

18:00 to 21:00

Discussing the implications of the US team's exit from the World Cup.

“World Cup on the field around a 16 exit yet again?”

Previewing the Quarterfinals: France vs Morocco

22:10 to 28:05

Analyzing the upcoming match between France and Morocco in the quarterfinals.

“But we as well as a Moroccan squad, we did well until now.”

France's Dominance in the World Cup

28:05 to 31:18

Discussing the strengths of the French team and their chances in the upcoming matches.

“So, Jules, if you're going to be at the back, for Morocco, are going to be changing minute through minute in what will be a very, very difficult game for them.”

Bracketology: Predicting World Cup Outcomes

31:19 to 34:29

Analyzing predictions for the World Cup bracket, including potential matchups and outcomes.

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World Cup Cuisine with Bobby Flay

34:29 to 42:01

Exploring culinary dishes from countries participating in the World Cup with chef Bobby Flay.

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World Cup Culinary Comparisons

42:01 to 46:01

Explore the culinary delights from different countries participating in the World Cup.

“It's rich, it's flavorful, it's technical.”

National Pride and Historical Context

46:01 to 46:29

Discuss the historical significance of England's World Cup performance and its impact on fans.

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46:29 to 46:41

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46:45 to 46:57

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Food and Football Banter

47:29 to 50:27

Enjoy light-hearted discussions about players' diets and football culture.

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Transcript

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0:00As soccer takes center stage this summer, Comcast helps bring the experience home to America. As the exclusive Spanish-language home of the tournament in the U.S., Telemundo is set to present its most expansive coverage ever. 700 hours of programming, live on-site presence at all 104 matches, and with multi-view and real-time 4K, Xfinity will deliver the most innovative and immersive sports viewing experience for fans watching on Telemundo, Peacock, Fox, and FS1. Learn more at ComcastCorporation.com.

0:32Coming up, it's getting rowdy. And a bit feisty.

0:44As we're down to the last eight. Today, it's a rematch of the 2022 semifinal. Will the tournament favorites send Morocco home yet again? Or can the African stalwarts pull off a massive surprise? Plus, more fallout from the USA's elimination. It's just dirty and yucky. All that and some bracketology. A tasty edition ahead on ESPN FC, next.

1:14Oh, it is so good to have you with us. Welcome into our ESPN FC studios. My name is Kevin Egan alongside Ali Krieger. We've got Neda Manua. And welcome back to the studio for our first time during the World Cup. Steve McManaman is here getting set to break it all down. We are at the quarterfinal stage from 48 teams. 40 have come and gone. The last eight. Here we go today. It's France taking on Morocco to kick off the quarterfinal stage. And these gems in studio aren't the only ones breaking it all down here today. We will have Frank Leboeuf and Colin Udo joining us very shortly indeed. But I want to start with you, Maka.

1:50Your overall thoughts on this brilliant World Cup so far? Well, I think the fact that we've got a bigger World Cup this year, 48 teams, the fact that we're down to the last eight, and let's be honest, all the big teams are still in it. All the favourites going into the tournament, France, Argentina, England, Spain, even the champions of the AFCON now, Morocco, we're still involved. So I think that's my takeaway. It doesn't matter how many teams are involved in the competition. When it gets down to the business end, the best teams are still there. Only eight nations have ever won the World Cup.

2:18You're absolutely right. I know the emotion of it all, Ali, is standing out to you. Yeah, it's been brilliant to see a lot of the veteran players who understand that this may be their last World Cup or their last opportunity to play in the world stage and in this tournament to see the emotion. They're a bit overwhelmed and the tears and the fact that this means so much to them. I can definitely relate being in a similar position playing in a World Cup. And it's just been unbelievable to see, yeah, that emotion from every single one of them and just the willingness to want to continue and to fight until the very end.

2:53It's been brilliant. Frank Leboeuf, want to get your thoughts on this one? I know it's a big, big day for you today in your Le Bleu. Well, everything has been perfect. You know, I was expecting big, lots of goals, you know, against Curaçao, Haiti, It happened only once with Germany, but otherwise, you know, everything has been very nice to watch and entertaining for everybody. I thought the atmosphere around here in New York has been absolutely great and everybody enjoys the World Cup. Games are good. We have big suspense right now. And it's true that seeing the best team in the world fighting for the title, it's really something that I was looking for.

3:37Colin, how about you? What stood out so far for you? Oh, yeah, certainly. I mean, this World Cup has given what I call a black eye to critics of the 48-team World Cup. We heard the UEFA president Zephyrin talking about how the World Cup should not have so many teams. We heard Gennaro Gattuso of Italy say the same thing about how some certain countries should not be at the World Cup. But like Frank said, people want to see blowout. They haven't even blowout. we've seen the likes of Haiti, Kiv Verde, Puraçao coming and giving a great account of themselves. Look, no matter how you slice it, the best teams are going to end up at the top of the pile when it comes out to the business end and that's what's going to happen.

4:16But the World Cup has brought, the expanded World Cup has brought so much joy, so much great stories. Even the goal by Lopez Cabral against Argentina, a great moment for the expanded World Cup and I think long may it continue. Yeah, for sure. And I think the point that was made about the seedings before the tournament was set out, here's one, here's two, here's three, there's four, there's Argentina, Spain, you've got England and who was the other team, sorry? France. So they're the top four and they're still left in the competition so it shows that the seeding has mattered but those teams have all had to earn the right to be there and you can look at the expanded nature of the tournament as well and there have been some ties which makes you wonder in some ways which of the teams that wouldn't be here otherwise because you'd think it would be this team, that team and so on and so forth but they've made a good account of themselves and then finally Like, from a footballing standpoint, you look at the top goal scorers at this World Cup.

5:06It's a joke, isn't it? It's the majority of the big names that you would hope to be there. Adding into that, Lionel Messi breaks the record to be the all-time top goal scorer at the competition. Then 27-year-old Kylian Mbappe is right on his tail as they're both still left in the competition. From that standpoint, in terms of the stars of the big nations, it's been incredible. I mean, you cannot make up this storyline for the golden boot. It's been absolutely phenomenal with Messi, Mbappe, Haaland and Kane all going for it. Frank Labouf, what's been your favorite game of the World Cup so far?

5:37I'm hesitating between Argentina against Cape Verde and Mexico against England, but I'm going to go for Mexico against England because everybody promised the hell to the English and they stepped up and they had a hell of a game. That was exceptional. and all the enthusiasm that they put into the game, the willingness of going into everybody and every odds, that was great. That was really great. And England deserved to win that game. They did everything they had to do to make sure they won. Maybe they didn't have the real position of the game, but they handled the altitude, the crazy atmosphere from the fans, and they won that game, and they were able to go through.

6:23And Eirik not being able to speak anymore because he was shouting to his teammates during the game said a lot about the involvement of everybody. That must have been something else back in England, guys, for both of you. It was five o 'clock in the morning back in England. I'd imagine there were some heads showing up at work the next morning. Yeah, it was a wonderful game, wasn't it? As Frank rightly said, everything going against them with the altitude, etc., etc. We spoke about it before. Jarrell getting sent off and having to survive for such a long time with 10 men. I think it made that victory a little bit better.

6:57I still think they need to improve. I didn't get carried away like a lot of the English press did about that particular performance because it was a dogged defensive performance where at the end of the game, they're getting the ball and just kicking it into this crowd or kicking it up the field. They have to improve it. But the fact that they got this far and they're in the quarterfinals and now they can look forward to Norway and then possibly an Argentina semi-final. It just flows right, doesn't it? It really looks good for England. But I still even admit now that I still want them to be better than what I've seen.

7:32They should have got this far when you look at their opponents. Attacking-wise? Yes, yes. Just creativity all over the park, really. I expect better performances than what I've seen, even though the last one against Mexico was decent in itself. Yes, for sure. from that england perspective if england had been knocked out now not many people would have been surprised because you'd be talking about the after you're talking about the mexico's record at the aztec and even though mexico themselves don't have an incredible record at the world cup you could see the storyline that would lead to them being in that position and then from an england perspective we go down to 10 players very early in the second half so you're thinking well this is it this is a story that we've seen like repeat itself throughout you know our lives but it was the opposite and i I think I'm with Macri in terms of understanding that England can play better.

8:15But I could make the case that, say, France around before could have played better and maybe put Paraguay to bed the same way that the US did. But instead, England, France and some of these other teams, for all the quality that they have, they've shown a level of grit and determination and passion that puts them in the positions they're in now where they are deserving of being in this last day. There's always hype around England. Coming into this World Cup, very little hype around Belgium. Yet they went to Seattle and they put four passes to the United States men's national team. Lukaku's celebration obviously has gone viral.

8:46During the Trump dance, has everybody talking, including some of the Belgian players post-game.

8:55There are several goals that are celebrated in various ways. There are several dances that exist and that's what we did. We just celebrated the victory after the match. Of course, it motivated the group. We start from the principle that there is always justice in one way or another in life. And I think when you try to do something, you can call it as you want, but it's something a bit particular, I think that it always returns to you. And today we have had this little chance that the ball will come, that it turns for us and that we win the match.

9:35really did ice this game. So many talking on this one, including our very own Gab Marcotti on the Gab and Jules podcast. To me, what was also equally disappointed was the U.S. Soccer Federation in this. It's wrong. I think what they did was wrong from a moral standpoint because the rules are rules. It was also a stupid thing to do because you knew, you knew that the president and the White House were going to get involved and call Infantino. For you to come out, and it's been widely reported, they haven't come out and said this officially, but it's been widely reported by sources, including our own Jeff Carlisle, that they were part of the process or they were engaged in the process.

10:19Why are you engaging in a process that is wrong? Once you know that it can't be appealed, leave it at that. Engage in the process is going to lead people to think you are the ones lobbying the president. Mr. President, can you please go and talk to Johnny Infantino? No, it's just dirty and yucky. You could have still benefited from it just by keeping your mouth shut. I hope JT Batson or Cindy Parler-Cone, I hope they come out and they explain exactly what they did and when. They can't just turn the page on this because I think this is going to have repercussions, as we saw from the reactions from people all around the world.

10:51Agree, Maka? First time hearing from you on this? Absolutely. I think everybody agrees. Anybody who's been involved in football will say it's a disgrace, isn't it? And for all the goodwill that the USA and Minicio Pochettino had going into that particular game, it was all spoiled by the flag that... Does that affect the mindset of the players? It shouldn't do. I think they just got to the end of the road. That's how good they are, the last 16. And Belgium and a good European team, not the best, but a good European team, and have beaten them quite convincingly. It just leaves a sour taste in the mouth, doesn't it?

11:21And most people were quite happily glad that they were beating the USA, all because of this silly incident that should not be involved in football. You can't mix football and politics. Not at a World Cup, I'm sorry. So it's interesting because the football and politics thing, there is, like, politics has existed in sport before. You know, if we're going back to, say, Olympic times, Jesse Owens, people like this. But it's more so the, like, government intervention in something. And I think what made it worse from the perspective that I see around this is, like, from the USA, it didn't feel like there was any level of humility or sorrow towards them being given what feels like preferential treatment.

11:55So with that, the rest of the world then says, well, we don't want this. We can't accept this. And to make it even worse, from my perspective, again, from FIFA, we all know that they suspended the punishment. But has anyone heard FIFA say why? They've told them that, oh, this is within our image. We can do this. But they've not explained the why. If they present the why, we can then have a different discussion about whether we think that's right or not. But instead, it's like, no, we've made this decision. The president said he was involved. U.S. Soccer Federation were involved. So just get on with it.

12:25and that's what you can't really accept in football. I wonder whether Mauricio Pochettino was involved, that's the thing, or whether he's just been thrust onto him. Well, to be honest, the way Pochettino sounded around it, he sounded like he was okay with it, which I was very surprised at given his experience and the fact that he is not from the United States and he could potentially see this in a different light. Yeah, he seemed absolutely okay with it. The ruthless win-at-all-costs approach. It felt wrong. How did you feel from someone who's been there before, you've had to deal with an awful lot of noise in a World Cup yourself in the past?

12:51Yeah, I thought it was handled so carelessly. It was horrendous. Because no matter what the conversation was and no matter how the game went, the conversation would have always been about the controversy, not the football. It didn't even matter how the game would have played out. And now the United States had such a positive view of the team. And just like we were talking before the show. The global football audience. And the global football. And now the perspective has changed drastically. And Trump had inserted himself into our 2019 World Cup and then has obviously accomplished to do this again and make it about himself.

13:23And I think it's just so unfortunate because you're right. Football and politics don't belong in this space. And it gave Belgium, you know, even more motivation to want to come out and play the way that they did. Do you agree with Macca that it shouldn't affect the mindset of the players? It shouldn't affect the mindset of the players because you have a job to do. This is a business. You're a professional player. You're at this level. You need to show up and do your job and not allow that noise to affect you. You have a bubble and you have a task at hand. And you should be able to do two things at once, multitask very well at this level.

13:53But it's a shame. And then the U.S. had just made uncharacteristic mistakes. That's the football side of it. We just weren't good enough on the day. But yes, I mean, the whole situation was just... If they would have beaten Belgium, we still would have been talking about it. Exactly. Yes. Yes. So it would have taken... To this extent? It would have taken away from a magnificent victory against the real powerhouse in European football. We would have been saying, they only won because of X, they only won because of the centre-forward plane. And that should never have been the case. We should have just rolled on for wonderful performance by the US in the knockout stage.

14:26Wonderful performance. Great performance beating Belgium. But instead, we would have been talking about this. So most people are very happy that it's sort of gone away until after the tournament. I think the biggest loser within this situation is somebody that's undeserving of it. And I think that's Balogun. Because Balogun himself, when he was sent off, he walked off the field. From after the game, he's not been outspoken. Him being dragged into the situation itself as a birthright citizen, which needs to be mentioned, by the way. who Trump is very much against having that sort of status. He's trying to do the best that he can.

14:55He's trying to be as humble as possible. He's Poulter Garcia, the Belgian manager, after the game. Nothing but class. Nothing but class at all. But his name is associated with this because this is the Balogun incident. This is the Balogun case. And it's such a shame from him because for the rest of his career, he'll have to speak about this thing which he had no control over whatsoever. He won over the hearts of so many people in this tournament. Colin, I'd love your thoughts on this. Oh, yeah, certainly. Look, I think it was a bad decision. The thing about football's rules is that whether the referee gets it right or wrong, is that they apply consistently equally to everybody.

15:30And this just turned all of that on its head. And I think that's why we found ourselves, as much as we support the U.S. men's national team, you have this whole outpouring of support for Belgium. And maybe in many ways, I think FIFA should consider themselves lucky that Belgium won this game. because imagine if the U.S. had won, Balogun had scored, and then Belgium decided to go through all of the process of taking this to Cass and everywhere else. This would have put the entire World Cup in a complete, I mean, like, it would have been a fast completely, you know, chaos. So I think it was good in the end that Belgium won, and then all of that just kind of gets to the side.

16:06But I don't think this is the end. I think there's going to be more coming from this. And, you know, I'd just like to reiterate what we said. class there from Balogun, but from when he got the red card, even though we felt that he wasn't justified, to everything that's gone on. And, I mean, Nedum, I think, would say that in Nigeria, because Balogun is also Nigerian, has Nigerian order, just like you and I, and would say that it comes from good home training, you know, where you're raised right by your Nigerian parents, that's what you bring, and that's the class that you bring to things like this.

16:33Yeah, he's a class. Frank Labov has never used to be this quiet. I don't need Frank, do we? What have we got Frank on for? I think he's still here. You'd have thought France would be playing today, wouldn't you, if Frank was there? It's too early for Frank. That's all right, guys. It's nice to listen to you. In that matter, I think the Balogun case brought a lose-lose situation for the US and for the entire world. Because, as the guy said, it brought an extra motivation to the Belgian players. So, therefore, I think they really wanted to win that game and to show that they were the best. And had the United States men's national team won that game, it would have been another problem that they won because of the Balogun case.

17:21So nothing was good on that matter. He should have been suspended for one game, and it wouldn't affect anything because it's only – I also believe that it's not only one person who would do the difference, maybe for Argentina, but for the others you need everybody to make it work and really United States lost their game because the player didn't give 100 % in that game. It's not because they were, I would say, worried about what people would have said about the Balogun case. Alright, let's talk football, Macca. How will the US be remembered for this World Cup on the field around a 16 exit yet again?

18:05Unfortunately they'll be remembered because of the Balogun case I think what's gone on beforehand was great it was positive like Mexico like Canada but they've just got knocked out at this stage and where Canada and Mexico have gone down fighting to a certain extent they've got this shadow of this this case and Donald Trump you know edging himself in there and I think that's what it'll go down to. Is this the level though of where the U.S. is? Yeah I think so yeah I don't I don't want to be critical of them but yes probably the fact that they're the home nation, they went out in the round of 16.

18:34Against what is largely considered an average enough Belgian team. Oh yeah, very average enough Belgian team. The worst Belgian team in a number of years. But still, they're better than the United States. Agree? I think that is fair. And I think this is where the USA kind of are. But the sad thing from their perspective was they had their worst performance and possibly one of the worst performances of the whole tournament when 42 million people in the country were watching. And I think that in some ways is alarming because everything that came before was being hyped to a point where we believe that they can continue further, but this is their reality.

19:03And they've got a good group of players, good talent and so on. But if you can't necessarily get the job done on home turf with all the positive energy around you generally, then I guess you've come out at the right stage. Yeah, we rock into the quarterfinal. No U.S. men's national team. We do have a Gabba Jewels podcast, though, if you want to go and check that out. Frank, hang on. Frank wants one final word here. Of course he does. Over to you, Frank. Thank you very much. No, I just want to say that I live like some years in Los Angeles And the fact that United States showed what they showed during that tournament and the incapability of being better than that shows that they have to change everything in the football.

19:43They have to realize that football is not for rich people, that football is for everybody. And in France, in England, in Brazil, for example, in Nigeria, we all know how it works. It's only poor people who bring that anger and hunger to the football and bring something different. So they have to rethink their football if one day they want to be successful. It's the lesson they have to get from that World Cup, I think. Well said, Frank Leboeuf. We'll be back with you in a moment. Gab and Jules, get that latest podcast. Gab getting fired up about U.S. soccer's involvement. That and much, much more as they look ahead to the quarterfinals.

20:19A very nervous Jules ahead of the game today against Morocco. And obviously, sparks were flying here as journalists. We're going at it here in the press conference for Morocco. We'll show you that and more next.

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21:22Welcome back in, folks. We are buzzing ahead of the quarterfinals of the World Cup, and you can feel the emotion in France ahead of this one. L 'Equipe calling it another story because France and Morocco are about much more than just 90 minutes. And Le Figaro calls it a reunion and nod to that 2022 semi-final. Let's check in on some of the key protagonists ahead of this game. Concernant notre préparation par rapport au match, ce n 'est pas une question de surprise. Je ne vais rien cacher. Je ne vais pas vous cacher que je ne suis pas un homme de surprise. Je pense que ceux qui ont analysé nos matchs, ils savent très bien qu 'on a une idée claire de comment est-ce qu 'on veut jouer.

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21:58So that's how we got here and that's how we will go further. They won the quarter-finals in the finals. They won the Cup of Africa. They are part of a very good team with very good players. They are not here for the chance. So after the match, it's our position. France is a very good squad. They have a lot of quality players. But we as well as a Moroccan squad, we did well until now. and we're gonna prepare us like very good as good as possible to to be ready for the front squad

22:59Hands off me. I know. Hands off me. If it's not Donald Trump, it's journalists. What do you make of that? Just shoehorning yourself in for publicity. It's ridiculous, isn't it? You've got Brahim Diaz trying to answer a question. The coach of Brahim Diaz in a really important time, and yet you've got journalists making it all about themselves. Colin, how do you defend journalists in a moment like this? I don't know. I mean, Ali was a defender. Ali is a defender, so probably she's the one who's probably going to come in there. and play some defence. We've seen a lot of stuff go at press conferences and this is just one of those.

23:30You've had people throwing stuff at each other, taking people's equipment, tossing it on one side, especially when you're kind of jostling to get time to ask questions or be in front of that. So this is par for the course. Oh my goodness, par for the course. Frank, World Cup champion, as we all know, with Le Bleu. You snuck by Paraguay, an emotional game. How nervous are you ahead of this one?

23:57I'm excited. I'm not nervous and I'm respectful. I know what kind of team France is going to face and with all respect with that Moroccan team, it's going to be a hard game. They are much better than the semi-finally 2022. I think they are very much more organized and better at France with, for example, Saibari. I don't know if he's going to play or not. No, he's not. He comes back from his injury. But no, well, good thing for us. Good point. But really, it's with all respect that I'm facing that game and I want to watch that game because France, of course, is the favourite. And France, if they play at 100%, for sure, they're going to go through, but they're going to go through against any team.

24:42But if they think that's going to be easy, they're going to be surprised because the American team is very, very good. Colin, Gab on the Gab and Jules podcast made the point that the Morocco team of four years ago would nearly be more of a threat to this France team with the way they played versus this team that has an awful lot more of the ball and controls the ball. Do you agree? Yes, I think so. Look, you've got to respect this France team. They're really, really good. Going into this tournament, I had them as potential winners, if not the most likely winners. But Morocco, they've grown a lot from the 2022 team.

25:18And when you look at those improvements, you've got to think that, yes, maybe that team would have been a better fit stylistically for this France team. But I also think that the way this Morocco team has evolved, it's evolved in such a way that they can sort of like shift, I mean, shape-shift, so to speak, into whatever works best for them against whatever opposition. And I think that, just like Frank said, this is going to be a really difficult game for France. And look, trust me, I wouldn't be surprised if, as much as I think France are still the best team at this tournament, if Morocco can get a win against France I would misprime that Morocco go ahead and win it all to be honest looking at the path for both France and Morocco here at the 2026 World Cup as you can see France cruising through the group Norway 4-1 victors they played all the stars in that game having already qualified 3-0 against Sweden Paraguay keeping a clean sheet in that game as well as for Morocco big 4-2 win against Haiti they head to the knockout stage it's a tight one against the Netherlands and then they cruise past Canada for more on the tactics behind this game.

26:21Over to the standbox now with Nathan. Yeah, thank you very much, Kevin. So I think from a defensive standpoint, playing against this front side, it's probably one of the toughest tasks you will have in all of world football. And some of that isn't just because of the nature of the attackers that they have, but it's how interchangeable they are with their positions. Because someone like Kylian Mbappe here, he's got a tendency to drift out to his left-hand side. Do you think the two centre-halves, they'll be like, that's fine, everything's okay, there's nobody in the middle. But then Ousmane Dembele is the Ballon d 'Or winner from that nine position.

26:48And so there's a gap on the far right hand side for France. Well who fills that? It will be Michael Alisse because that's his position for Bayern Munich where he's been one of the best players in the world this last season. Desiree Douai can very easily come and sit in that position there. And as you really look at that front four, looking at four players who are either Ballon d 'Or winners or future Ballon d 'Or winners is how I see them. So when you want to establish this sort of duel with the player in front of you, it proves to be very very difficult. Adding to that now as well from a France perspective they have full backs and like Luca Dignes who can go and attack quite high but he knows that his role is to support the play.

27:23The same on the other side with Jules Koundé. They will support the play and before you know it they have the magic, they have the quality and you think okay well this is great if we can be defensively robust against these players then maybe we can hit them in transition and then this is now where France's strength comes in again because at the back you have William Saliba and you have Dayou Pemekano and for me those are two of the best centre halves in all of world football and if we look at this that they are left with if we look at Kone if we look at Rabiot and those two centre halves well it's going to be very very hard to hit them on the break as well so from this front side I think it's one of the most balanced sides we've ever seen but add to that the fact that up top they have four of the best attacking players in all of world football how do you stop it well you try and win your duels well it seems that your So, Jules, if you're going to be at the back, for Morocco, are going to be changing minute through minute in what will be a very, very difficult game for them.

28:16Outstanding there from Nadam. I think that deserves a round of applause. Go me! Look at these superstars. Future manager. For France. The 2018 winners, Dembele, four goals, a couple of assists. Mbappe adds seven more goals. And Michael Alisse leads the World Cup with five assists so far. The balance is better than ever, Frank Leboeuf, according to Nadam. Do you agree? I totally agree. Well done, Nedim. That was great explanation. And really, really, really, I was very amazed and everything you had, everything in spot on. But what I like the most is the versatility of the players at front where and Nedim explained it very well, very well in a way that they can be interchangeable.

29:00They can play in any position they know and they don't feel uncomfortable. And that's what it is. and the compensation that you have with Dini and Koundé on the side, but also the protection that you have with the two midfielders and the two centre-backs is really good, and it makes that team be incomplete. So it's going to be hard to move that team. And again, and I always say that, if France is at 100%, nobody can beat them. Ooh. Ali, you agree? Yeah, I mean, you have the best players and the best attacking players. You have Due, you have Barcola, you have Mbappe, you have Dembele, you have Olisse.

29:37I'm naming all these players. I can't believe they're all on the same team. Yes, anyone can be beaten, right? But the pace that they have on transition, the attacking quality, the defensive organization. This team is unbelievable. It's the best France team I've seen. Sorry, Frankie. Put yourself in Morocco's shoes, though. If you're defending there today, and Nadem talked about the duels, what's your mindset going in against that attack? I would be very confident as Morocco going into this game. They have to be because this is the stage where the best teams have to show up and win. But against the Netherlands, they did show up.

30:12They played really well. I love the mix of the youth and the veteran players that they have to be able to bring that quality, bring that grit that you need, bring that resiliency that you need. So I do think they have a good chance. Any team can win on any day. But this is an excellent France team that I've seen. They're the best team, aren't they? Going into the tournament, they were favorites. They were favorites for a reason. They performed like favourites throughout the tournament, albeit the Paraguay game was... They got over the line. It was a scruffy game. What was the issue for them there?

30:39I just think the way Paraguay played. I think they just made it foul after foul after foul, and sometimes you just have to get through. It won't be like that today. Morocco were going to have to defend, but as Naden rightly said, it's not a case if Hakimi can pick up Douay or Hakimi can pick up Killian, because then they'll just swap over, and then it's Elise on one side, then it's Dembele on the right, and it's Dembele on the left. and that's what I like, the fluidity, the mobility of the players and I think they're going to have to have a bad day, an off day, France to not get through today because if they play like anything we have seen them play and that front four click and at least they haven't even scored a goal yet and waiting for that to happen I can't see anybody beating France even the likes of Spain and stuff like that what I've seen, I just think France have got that little bit of of an X factor that will always, always get them over the line If Mbappe has an off day, at least they'll have an on day.

31:32Or a Dembele will. And somebody else will take the workload if somebody's not playing particularly well. So they're stock up from four years ago? I think they're better than four years ago. Are Argentina stock up or stock down? No, I think Argentina is stock down. I think they're older. I think they're not, you know, I think that they play very narrow, Argentina. I don't, listen, they've got to where they are and they're good. But Leo's whatever he is. Rodrigo de Paul's not playing. I've seen, you know, I've seen what they've done. And I just think France, you can only have one winner. And I just think France are the best team that I've seen so far.

32:01What were you laughing at, Frank? Oh, that was me. Colin, excuse me. I can hear some chuckling going on. Colin, what were you laughing at? That was me. I was chuckling because I was looking at Macca just talking about, you know, how France, they've gotten back in the world. They can hurt you in so many ways. And I think that Morocco have become so disciplined that it's going to take something of real quality to beat them. And that's why I was chuckling, because when Maka was talking, I just remember that goal he scored against Celtic, I think, was it 1997? Again, in the UEFA Cup. And I think that's exactly the kind of thing that France would need, that kind of quality individual goal from, say, either Ulisse, Dembele, or probably Mbappe, to beat this Morocco side, who unfortunately are missing their star striker Ismail Saibari.

32:51And that's already, maybe one would say, a huge disadvantage to Morocco. but they're a collective. And like I said, they can shape, shift to fit whatever is needed. So France will have to be, bring their A game to beat Morocco today. Yeah, very well said. I'm hearing the Emmy Awards have been in touch, by the way. Nadam Sandbox, I mean, absolutely phenomenal. Yeah. Come coach, you're on it. Listen, it's easy. You know what I mean? The rumor is you're on it every day. It's absolutely not. Every day. Every day. If it's to talk about France, I will do it every single day. It's the easiest job in the world.

33:20And you can watch Nadam Sandbox right here on ESPN FC tonight at 6 p.m. Eastern, following the France-Morocco game. Do join us on ESPN Plus. ESPN 2 later on tonight, 10 p.m. Eastern time. Let's see if Natum is as good when it comes to the bracketology. Putting these fellas to the test when we get back. Don't go anywhere, folks. ESPN FC continues.

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34:33España. It was my pick to begin with. I'm riding with Spain because if for no other reason, I am, as my wife likes to tell me all the time, stubborn. Do you know what? Do you know what? No! Oh! Oh, it's coming home. He's coming home. Finally. Here we go. I do think France is going to win again. I know. I'm sorry, Natum and Kay. But that is my decision. To do the right thing. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yay! There's a lot of England. There's a lot of England. There's a lot of England. Oh, man. So, Natum and Kay, of course, think it's coming home. I'm joined by former England international, a couple of Champions Leagues to your name at Real Madrid.

35:16Macca, let's get stuck in here and do out your bracket. Yeah, OK. All right, let's start with France, Morocco. France, Morocco. I'm going to go for France. OK, so France head to the semi-final. Who will they play? Spain or Belgium? I think they'll play Spain. Spain should be... I think Belgium have been very average and they should beat... OK. They should beat... So I'm going to go Spain, France, semi-final. Norway, England. I know where you're going here. Of course, I'm going to go with England. OK, into the semi-final they go. to beat Norway. And as much as I would like Switzerland to win, I'm going to choose Argentina.

35:46Okay. All right. I'd love an Argentina-England semifinal like we all would. And then we head to the semifinals. Here we go. France-Spain. Here we go. I would go for France to beat Spain. I think Spain, I know Yasebel's done well, but I think they do lack a little focal point up front. So France, and then I'm going to go for England. I think England will beat an aging Argentina. They'll have too much for them on the day. All right. Here we go. Please, little. Final. With my head. Oh, you're joking me. Are you serious? You've got England to lose. I want England to win, but we're here to do a job.

36:25Wow. Choose with my head, not my heart. So I'm going to go for France. Hey, Frank Leboeuf, you must love the sound of that. France winning the World Cup, according to Macca. Let's get stuck in with your bracket, starting with France-Morocco. Frank. France. France. Oh, no way. No analysis needed. Spain, Belgium, Frank. Yeah, no discussion. Spain, no discussion. No discussion. Go ahead. OK, all right. You heard it here, folks. Norway, England. Yeah, be careful. Norway. Yeah, baby, the Vikings. Yeah. Tain him off. Tain him off. Love that from you, Frank. Yeah, yeah. Argentina, Switzerland. Switzerland.

37:07Yes. Yes! Wow! That's a semi-final between Norway and Switzerland. All right, Frank, here we go to the semi-finals. France against Spain. France, for sure. For sure. It will be difficult, but for sure. Norway, Switzerland. And Norway. Oh, okay. Norway. Okay. Wow. All right, what have you got, Frank? I wonder how the final's going to go. The big one, July 19th. I can't believe he's going to choose Norway. I know. You know what I'm going to pick. France. France, of course. France is winning the World Cup. So, Colin, over to you. Great stuff there from Frank Leboeuf. Of course, picking France to win it.

37:50Colin, France, Morocco? Morocco. Morocco. Well done, Colin. Well done. That's what we like. That's what we like. Okay. Spain, Belgium, Colin. Ah, Spain. Okay. We've got a Spain-Morocco semifinal. Norway-England, Colin. Look, I'm going with Frankie and Norway. Colin, get off. Get off, Colin. Norway. Norway. Norway to the semifinals of the World Cup. It's our first time back at the World Cup for the first time this century. Argentina-Switzerland. Argentina, they've struggled against Calvertis, struggled against Egypt, and I'm going with Switzerland. Ooh. Wow. Another. Wow. Norway Switzerland. This is incredible.

38:35Make sure you put your money with the bookies, Colin. You'll win a fortune. All right, Colin, take it away. Spain, Morocco. Are you picking an African side to make it to the final for the first time? Morocco. If you want to get past France, Morocco are going to get past Spain. You're thinking Morocco make it to the final. Love that shout. And Morocco in the final will play? Norway. Norway. What a final. What a final that is. Okay. Yeah. Who takes it? We've only ever had eight nations win the World Cup. Norway, Morocco have obviously never won it. Who do you have winning the grand showpiece here?

39:12Norway or Morocco? Norway, unfortunately. I would love to win the World Cup. I did all that. Norway. That is amazing. Here we go. I'm going to give this a rattle and see what happens here. Don't judge me too harshly, folks. Morocco beat France and Spain. France, Morocco in the semifinal. And they're going to lose against Norway. I have France. I have France heading to the semi-finals where they will play Belgium. Wow! I've got a little bit underwhelmed by what I saw from Spain. I've also got Norway taking down England. Kev the Irishman, who would have thought? I am an Irishman but I love my son's favourite player in the world now is Erling Haaland.

39:51And Argentina will have enough to get by Switzerland. Here we go to the semi-final stage. I am picking France to make it to the final. You've got Belgium beating Spain and not France in the end. I'm picking Norway. Wow. Norway. Here we go. France against Norway in the World Cup final. And that is where the dream ends for Norway. So in the end, we get to France winning again. What do you reckon, man? No, I think you and Colin were ridiculous, to be honest. You're not coming back in the world. All right, you can see everyone's picks in full on last night's show. Go and check them all out. ESPN+.

40:31When we come back, we're diving in on my favorite topic, food. Don't go anywhere. It's Bobby Flay's flavors next.

40:45Welcome back in, folks. Now with the World Cup now at the quarterfinal stages, rather than just discussing the football on the field, let's go through some of the world's most popular culinary dishes. Food Network chef Bobby Flay sat down with Alexis Nunes and our own Ali Krieger here to go through some of the favorites. Bon appetit.

41:04Hey, everybody. I'm Bobby Flay here in New York City. I have my friend, chef, Sam Hazen's restaurant, Palladino's Steak and Seafood, with some World Cup cuisine match-ups.

41:18All right, guys, let's talk about favorites now, because going into the World Cup, the favorites, of course, are France. Cannot exclude España. Spain. Then you've got Argentina. And then finally, you have England. always amongst the favorites. How does each country's cuisine fare on the table? This is for France. Oh! And obviously you gotta do French onion soup for France. Some delicious Gruyere cheese and a wonderful onion soup. Enjoy. Smells delicious. Does it get more French than that, Bobby? It starts with the name French onion soup. It's wonderful, you know, it's like beef broth, some chicken broth, it's low and slow.

41:53Lots of caramelized onions, a crouton that's been nicely toasted, and then lots of melted Gruyere cheese on top. It's rich, it's flavorful, it's technical. Like I feel like just like the French team. Let's see what Spain brings. For Spain, Tortilla Espanyol and the tomats, the delicious tomato salad. Wow. So this is basically an egg dish, like a frittata that they have in Italy. Speaking of Italy, where is the Italian food? I know. We want the Italians on the pitch, but we also want their food. There's potatoes and there's peppers and a little bit of bacon. So it's like harder shell and then on the inside it's super soft.

42:30Silky. Silky. Reminds me of Spanish team as well. Silky smooth. Spain gave us the tiki-taka sexy champagne football as well as the fact that they have La Minha Mal. I will say I love Barcelona. I mean for sure. Argentina, three World Cups. Leino Messi. This is his favorite dish. Milanesa? Yeah, of beef. We have some pickled peppers and some chimichurris on the bottom. Enjoy. Delicious. Pounded beef that's been breaded, Milanese style. Uh-oh. I see it in the eyes. Yes. I see it in the eyes. Defending champion. It's festive, but it's also soulful. But the sauce just puts it over the top. The chimichurri.

43:12The chimichurri. I feel like chimichurri is such a deep part of Argentinian cuisine. It's everything. It's their steak sauce. Would you go as far as to say that Argentina can repeat? When we're talking about the field, then yes. Yeah. When Messi is on the field, a lot of defenders are drawn to him, which then opens up space for other players to get into. I really like Enzo Fernandez as well. Yeah. Feisty. He's very feisty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what South American football is in it. All right, we will see what England brings to the table. Wow. Sunday roast? A little Sunday roast, yeah. This is beef fat Yorkshire, so with the beef drippings from the beef, honey carrots, roasted potatoes, and this is for Sir Bobby Charlton.

43:53Fresh horseradish, yes. Roasted prime rib, some potatoes, some root vegetables, some baby carrots, and then Yorkshire protein. Is it tasting like a favorite? This is one of my favorites of the day. It's smoky. Oh, it's juicy. Smoky. The sauce with the horseradish gives it like that extra pizzazz. Yeah, kick. Could this be England's year? How long has it been since the 60s? Yes, 1966. 1966, that's a long time ago. Worse than the Knicks winning a championship. That was 73. I know that one very well. Could you imagine if they won it after all this time, what would happen in England? I mean, it would be amazing.

44:33All right, so we have our four favorites now, representing four favorite countries to win the World Cup. Ali, let me start with you first. Who wins it all? The flavor of the chimichurri mixed in with the meat, I think for me, just was phenomenal. All right, Bobby, so on the pitch now, who would you pick as the winner? I'm going to go with Spain. Hot smoked paprika. Hot smoked paprika. España. Demon's own. Exactly.

45:04I'm hearing the Frank Leboeuf is absolutely fuming right now. The Frenchman in New York City. Your reaction, Frank, is what? I don't know. Why did you pick the onion soup, the French onion soup? We don't eat that anymore. You know, it's been like 50 years that we didn't eat that. Sorry, I think you had to go through that experience. You know, I invited Macca at Le Mazet in West Hartford, the restaurant, and you have the beautiful boeuf bourguignon, which is a beef stew. That's something different, you know, and it cannot compare to anything else. I'm sorry. You should have picked that one. Well, that's probably why I didn't have a choice.

45:43I just ate what was in front of me. That was on the chef. That was not on me. Bang out of order, Frank. Sorry for your soup. Poor Ali Krieger. She just got fed. Yeah, I know. Sorry, Ali. I could barely get a word in because I was eating everything in that show. What did you make of that prime rib? It looked decent. It did look very good, didn't it? I'm with Frank, though. Fancy putting French onion soup out like that. That's a terrible dish, isn't it, really, to choose from? It was actually really good. It was very tasty. Good stuff. Well, great content from you guys out there. That's for sure.

46:13I want to be invited next time. Yeah. That looked absolutely phenomenal. Hey, big thanks to Colin and to Frank LeBouf for joining us here today. If you want more action, do not miss a beat. The NWSL, Sunday, 4 p.m. Eastern time. It is the Cascadia Rivalry Alley. We can't wait for this one. Seattle taking on Portland. Atlanta's been buzzing right now. I had a chance to catch up with these lunatics. The Argentine friends and a little dish for Steve.

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48:06We'll be right back. my pub there, the Irish exit as well. What's it called? The Irish exit! The Irish pub! These were the vibes. Check it out. When Argentina comes back to Atlanta, they'll be a big problem for England. You better watch out. Thomas hosting, he's from England. The three lions will never come home. You'll never have a chance again because Argentina is going to win the third one. We don't have an English breakfast here on the men UK but we do have our main man Pierce has a Stevie breakfast we've got a coke coke and tato Stevie ready to go coke and tato ready for Stevie I want to get Stevie Nickel sitting at the bar here at the Irish exit one day oh we love you Stevie and this is your well-documented diet Mackey you played with Stevie yes I did yes true I think it was true actually but he was the most incredible footballer he'll probably tell you better than what he um what he used to consume I mean, 6 to 6.30, the fish and chips and beans, that's not enough.

49:05Back he goes to the kitchen at 9 o 'clock, club sandwich, pot of tea, pint of Coke. Wait, he can't have eight bags of crisps today. He surely not. Considering how good he was, if that's his formula, then more power to him. Yeah, we saw Messi's diet. You know what he eats earlier on in the show? I just can't believe the amount of crisps. I mean, look at you. The can of Coke. I mean, trisps and then potatoes as well in between. You've got to put it on a sandwich though, no? Well, of course. A big piece of it. On a sandwich. I'd say you were disciplined. Dependent. Dependent who we're playing against.

49:40Hey, cheers for allowing me here in the studio with you guys. To Colin, to Frank, to Natum, Stevie, and of course Ali as well. I'm Kev. Take care, folks. We'll see you a little bit later on. Enjoy France-Morocco.

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The ESPN FC Crew recap the best moments of the 2026 World Cup so far as we head into the quarterfinals. Then, a look back at the end of the United States' campaign at the World Cup, and how the Balogun incident effected their match vs Belgium. Also, a preview of France vs Morocco, breaking down how deadly France's attack has been and the threat they will offer vs Morocco, and predictions from the crew for the bracket.
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