Making Sense of 2026: Tr*mp? Tech? China? & The Rise of the Robots!

30:48If you can get away with it and you can charge it, you can build your own wind turbines and you can use that electricity as a company, or solar panels or whatever, it makes so much economic sense to do that. I guess for planes then and for marine oceans are the problem, right? Yeah, it's long-haul flights and oceans. And I mean, if we didn't use as much fossil fuel, we would cut global shipping down by, you know, it's 40 % of all shipping at the moment is fossil fuel. we're never going to reduce it altogether, but you could probably reduce it by, you know, in a fantasy world by 60 % so that there's a tiny amount of big ships pushing oil through water.

31:25It's quite interesting, isn't it? Because then you could see, you know, there's going to be one set of solutions for the Americas, a different set of solutions for Europe and North Africa, sort of Middle East, and then different solutions for, you know, Oceania and things like that. but it sort of separates the continents in a way because you can't do, you can't do long haul electric flight are you? Anyway, maybe that's why Greenland is so strategically important. Yes, Epstein Island. But the thing that really struck me in Australia and was quite big news there was household batteries. So there was a government scheme supporting the installation of household batteries.

32:07and it was just, I thought it would be like, oh, they put in 1 ,000. They put in 200 ,000 household batteries. And they're not, what I also thought was they'd be like ones I have, you know, 13.5 kilowatt hours. I've got 26 kilowatt hours. People are putting in 60 kilowatt hours. I think they've even modulated the policy, haven't they, to incentivise slightly smaller batteries. Yes, because people are putting in such big batteries. But actually, I would say, and Chris Bowen, who is kind of the face of all of that down under, great guy, a friend of everything electric. He gets on quite well with Ed Miliband apparently.

32:42But actually in the UK, to be fair, since you've been away, they have not only extended the electric car grant, they've also started advertising EVs in a new campaign called Get the Electric Feeding, which has started a few days ago. And they've just actually announced that the Warm Homes Plan is going to put quite a lot of money into insulation, solar, heat pumps, I think batteries as well, but I'd have to check. So while the Labour government in the UK has been in power for over a year and a half now, and I would certainly say some things happen too slowly, there are some things happening. But yeah, Australia is a fantastic place in the moment in terms of how progressive it's being, the things that it's doing.

33:27It's becoming a bit of a world leader in its own right. But I mean the other thing about all those batteries is they're all linked so they're all dischargeable into the grid which we haven't really got that or we have got it but it's a bit haphazard but that is they're built to do that the grid around them is built to do that so they are helping power the country at certain times and yet as a homeowner you sell that electricity and it is Sarah Aubrey who's going to be making some shows for us. I mean she's amazing but her house she hasn't got she's not got a big solar array but she's got a massive battery so she charges her battery in the daytime the grid electricity is incredibly cheap if you've got the right tariff so the grid electricity is in the one two three cents a kilowatt hour but she's also got her solar at seven in the evening when there's high demand and the price goes sometimes insane she sells 20 kilowatt hours and it's a lot of actual money it's thousands of pounds thousands of dollars a year she earns from living in a house with solar panels on a battery she doesn't you know it's it's transformative and there's now there's those uh the thing called the snowy river pumped hydro scheme that's being built at the moment she's fantastic but the snowy river was built in the 50s and 60s it's a big dam up in the map blue mountains with you know it's a hydroelectric thing there's now more electricity available to the to Australia's grid from domestic batteries than from the Snowy River project and it's a big thing it's not a little stream it's a massive river that that produces gigawatts you know I mean it's it's amazing what they've done in that in very very short time since July of last year to now there's 200 you've spent time in Norway and in Canada we're big advocates of hydro so for us that big it is a battery in its own right.

35:18Well they're now doing a big pump, that isn't pump storage at the moment, it's just a river that they've blocked up and it goes through a thing. So that's great, there's some talk about doing some tidal stuff again in the UK, you know we're big fans of energy storage in general, but obviously home batteries to the bigger battery energy storage. Solar clearly is a winner, why wouldn't you have that? Energy efficiency, insulation, heat pumps, other electrification of heat technologies, If you haven't seen it, we did a great episode on electric battery, which can replace your combi boiler called the Luthmore, which is being developed by the guys out of Dyson.

35:51Sodium iron batteries, all these different chemistries coming along. There's a huge amount to be positive about. Australia's obviously being really proactive with bi-directional. Yeah. And all the vehicle to grid, vehicle to home, vehicle to load stuff as well. I talked to someone who's getting a Kia PV5, and they've got their own karaoke business. We might see them at some of our shows next year. And they're calling it vehicle to fun, which I quite like. V2F. But what about nuclear? Because Trump mentioned that this week. I've already mentioned him. Damn, you've used the name. Damn, cut that bit out, George.

36:22Cut that bit out. He mentioned that this week. Fukushima is being turned back on, I think. And also there's talk about small modular reactors and things like that. What's your – and fusion, obviously, might be a bit further away. But has your view changed on that, or are you not up to date on it? I don't think it has changed. I mean, I've always, you know, just if you look at the statistics of the global fleet of nuclear power plants, 99.5 % of them have been incredibly safe. They've run for an incredible amount of time. They've been incredibly reliable. The one or two that went wrong was a big problem.

36:56But, you know, you can't judge that whole thing. You know, the amount of people who died as a result of burning coal, so who dug it up, who transported it, who burnt it, who lived with the smoke, is off the scale. I mean, it will be millions of people died as a result of burning coal. And it's maybe some thousands might have died as a result of Chernobyl or Fukushima. Yeah, that's a good way of looking. You know, it's a cruel thing to do because only when death is bad, but it's so much safer than other technologies. You know, for us, you know, it's the cost though, rather than the safety, because I think if you're going to build something like that, you have to build it in a certain way.

37:32small modular reactor, I'm interested to see how that develops. I mean I'm worried because it feels to me that SMRs are nudging into the same category. They're getting bigger. Yes, they're getting bigger, they're not that small, but also in the same category as carbon capture and storage, as green fuel catalytic, it's just all these things, they're kind of, really I don't... Maybe we should do that list of things that we don't think is going to make it like hydrogen for passenger vehicles. Hydrogen for passenger vehicles. Hydrogen for even... Hydrogen for... For lorries I don't think is going to be a thing.

38:08So there's that. Then there's the synthetic fuels, you know, hybrids. Yeah. Plug-less hybrids have had their day. Plug-in FEVs and EREVs, the range extended ones, have still got a bit of a journey to run, but ultimately they're two power trains in one vehicle. They're not as good, you know. If you see the report about how often they're plugged in, it's so shocking, as in they're not. Yeah, 90 % of people who drive them never plug them in. They don't even know how to. So battery EVs are better, they're simpler, they're going to be more economic in the long term. They're already cheaper to run, etc.

38:41And then you've got other things like, as I say, synthetic fuels. But, you know, for me, carbon capture and storage is insane. And, you know, it's a bit like saying, well, we'll get the milk out of the tea. We'll just stop putting the milk in the tea in the first place is obviously the answer. So one of the things that's always leveled about EVs in particular is what they're going to do to the grid. I don't hear that from the same voices that would say that about AI. No. Well, I think I am hearing that. But not from the same people. Maybe from a few different voices. I am hearing that. But the people who really said, well, EVs are going to put a normal strain on the grid.

39:21They are not saying that. And in fact, a lot of the AI that's being built out is being built at such a speed that quite often they're actually relying on gas. Diesel generators. Yeah, or gas turbines. And all those sorts of things. And isn't that an amazing reversal? I haven't checked it out of Microsoft's statistics now, but we did an event. I'm going to say it's about 10 years ago. We actually had a guy from Microsoft on a panel. If you remember, that was years ago when we just started working together. Was that the one that I officiated at that event? And the guy was there and actually they were touting their credentials around, they're adding data centers, they're adding compute and therefore they're adding clean energy to match that.

40:02They're also looking at some solid oxide fuel cells and other complementary technologies because of the reliability. If your grid goes down with the data, you've got a big problem. But now it seems to me that actually that whole market's changed. I mean, Microsoft may be cleaner than clean, greener than green. I don't know. and check the numbers but that seems to be a big a big shift and a worrying yeah worrying shift i mean it is extraordinary how uh how that you know the impact because i suppose the thing is a big data center the the one there i can't remember who's built one of the tech bros is building i mean the scale of it is like the size of manhattan the island of manhattan it's just mind-bogglingly huge and it's somewhere in utah or somewhere where there isn't any water and it needs 100 trillion gallons.

40:47I think water is as big an issue as power, because that will affect the people who live around it. But that is like sort of 100 million electric vehicles charging all the time. It's on that scale. And for the people to say, you know, you've got to let it go. You can't let it eat away at you. But for the morons, the absolute who kept saying, and it's going to melt the grid. You utter loser, hopeless **** that said that. There's no defending it at all. Of course it isn't going to. It actually positively helps the grid. Whereas, you know, I think we're so pleased. I'm hearing more nerdy tech people going, it's not intelligence.

41:29It's, I mean, Corey Doctorow. Amazing thing he's written about artificial intelligence. It's word guessing. So clever. A word guessing machine. Much better description. I think it's very, you know then it's useful a word guessing machine can be really useful there will i'm sure be a market correction on ai anyway it's overhyped to to an extent that it is you know it is going to crash down i think and that might you know change things at the moment we're in that kind of maximum uh height phase but yeah it's really interesting because if you think about when you started the channel in 2010 so much of this technology was just like maybe it will happen maybe it won't more of it, yeah.

42:07And now, where we are, even though for us the process is glacially slow day to day, where we are now is quite incredible, quite extraordinary. So it's interesting to kind of reflect, I didn't know whether your kind of view on technologies had changed much, other than we're in the middle of a war, information war, aren't we? That's where the fight back, you always said it would be brutal, and it is. And it is brutal. It feels like we're right in the heart of that particular part of the transition. But I mean, in terms of nuclear, just to round that off, I mean, someone close to me works at Hinkley Point C, and the stories, I'm not going to repeat them because I don't want to put him in any, you know...

42:52Let's call him Homer Simpson, just to... Yeah, Homer Simpson. But I mean, he is a brilliant engineer, and he's working on systems within Hinkley Point C, and it's nothing to do with that. He's not anti-nuclear, he's not cynical about it, he's very focused on the actual engineering. But it's, you know, the one little mistake, they dropped something with a big crane, and it's hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds and six months delay. So all his project, which wasn't directly connected with that, is now delayed. It's all sort of, well, we'll do it eventually, but we've got to fix this bit first.

43:24You know, that, the complexity, and to make it, you know, it's all, and the legislation and the safety around it is just mind-boggling. I like Project Manswell. I like a Gantt chart. Yeah, this is project management off the scale. I mean, it's great. It's employing tens of thousands of people building this huge power plant. But then you go, well, it's three gigawatts. You know, you think, well, that's huge. Three gigawatts, 24 hours a day, clean, zero carbon, you know, all that. We've got, we'll have wind farms built and operating that will be, what, 50, 60 gigawatts. I mean, that's the, by, in the time it takes to build one nuclear power plant.

44:02and it will be useful I'm not going to lie there will be times when it's not windy in the North Sea not very often but there will be times where that will come into its own and do it as a very important backup but it does seem like I think it's being overtaken that's my fear or not my feeling is that it's being overtaken by cheap batteries that's what's really changed the big solar farm I went to see in Australia where it was really the batteries that I was interested in because we've all seen panels these are it's a million solar panels and 6500 sheep that's the solar that's that particular installation but with you know multiple hundred megawatt but I mean it's 450 megawatt hours of batteries that do whatever there's going to be 1200 when they finish it and they I said could you is that economically viable you go yeah we wouldn't do if it wasn't we couldn't have done it five years ago it's that that's where it's it's tipped well you Ultimately, that's why we're so confident of the destination of all of this, because we know that economics will win, and energy storage is going to play the biggest role in that.

45:08And that doesn't just mean batteries. Of course, it can mean hydro. And there's all sorts of different chemistries. So when people got batteries, they get a bit obsessed about lithium-ion, which isn't even the predominant chemistry. Now that's LFP, and it will be probably sodium-ion at some point. Solid state is picking up pace in terms of development of that. So, you know, really I can see only one outcome.

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46:08But one of the other things I was going to say to you today is what have you been driving recently because I and are there any cars that you are kind of interested in Because I've just seen Polestar 5 is launching in Sydney soon you've driven that yeah yes i don't i don't realize when i did it i was quite you forgot you've driven and then you've forgotten and now you can enjoy it again remember driving it made a very big impression it is stunning i think it's the only thing if i were if i had no shame and a lot of money i would be i'd happily be an old gray-haired man that can just about get in and out of it's not a sports car it's really close and in terms of performance it's mind-boggling Polestar 5 is stupendously impressive but I drove Polestar 3 from Melbourne, from Sydney to Melbourne.

46:56That's the kind of bigger slide box. Slightly bigger, really comfy. Yeah but I wouldn't want it to me. Did you like it? We had the 4 for a bit. Did you prefer the 3 or the 4? The 3 was the one we drove up to the Blue Mountain. I had the 4. When Elliot told us he was expecting twins, do you remember that? Yes! I had the 4, sorry which is even bigger. It's like the sort of SUV so it's too big for me I didn't need a car that big but I then had a Polestar 2 which I have to say was just that's you know it was it just suits me I don't know what about what it is about it um my wife Julie doesn't like it she doesn't like the interior does she not but I love the interior it's so weird what does that mean I don't know taste we're totally incompatible what else have you have you seen anything else today I'm driving the the Geely EX5 even my god got it right it was i'm having real struggle with numbers and letter combinations it's really difficult anyway that that i've just literally driven that here now mind-bogglingly comfy yeah and that's that thing where i literally had to get in it and drive straight away here and like not do anything i didn't look at any of the control mirrors rear view visibility the speed thing everything just like wow that is really good i really haven't taken it in yet but I mean it's a sort of biggish or mid-sized SUV I suppose it's one of those so you feel quite high up very comfy car though and I've driven some great cars in the last year I've made it a point to try and drive more because we were doing all these events around the world we're doing test drives I'd never done a test drive no of our events we've done 22 events I think we've done 150 ,000 test drives not one of them has been me so last year I've tried to educate myself a little bit more I've probably until last year driven about 30 EVs last year I probably driven another 20 so for me it's actually quite useful to be on top of what's what and I thought the Hyundai IONIQ 5N, the noisy one, I love that the Renault 5 is amazing, Polestar 4 is amazing I've driven some incredible things, I got the chance to drive the BYD seal recently which I really enjoyed and then I actually tried the new Tesla Model 3 alongside it to sort of compare and contrast and I think somewhere between the two of those is the best car.

49:06But without mentioning the stuff that surrounds that company, the Model 3, I still haven't seen anything that's quite beaten it. No, it's a brilliant car. If you look at everything, I actually think the BYD seal for me is better looking than the Tesla Model 3. I prefer it. Yeah. I mean, the Tesla Model 3 tastes subjective. And also, the Tesla Model 3, there's so many of them in Australia, I just saw them everywhere. Kind of looks a bit dated now. You know, which is stupid. it's a silly thing but from an aesthetic point of view there's so many other cars that have come into particularly the australian market so many chinese cars so i i've been driving the model three recently the newer one and it is i still think almost peerless it's still exceptional and it's the it's the software and it's the charging it's that it's the whole experience but we know what don't they have to refresh and bring other cars out to a small car to really i Anyway, that's probably, you know, it's one of the things I think that I would love to see them do at some point.

50:06I really hope that's not off the table permanently, although it does seem that it might be as they're focusing on other things. And that brings me nearly on to kind of robotics. Yeah. So we talked about AI. It's quite interesting that there's going to be loads of robotics. So I think at some point we'll film a dark factory in China. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah. I think by 2030 they were sort of estimating that most factories building cars in China will not have people in them at all. That's so weird. I think there's some of that going on already. I think we might have an invite to go and film something like that at some point.

50:36I won't be there on that day, sadly, but you might be. But that's really interesting. But the humanoid bit is quite odd, isn't it? The fact that we've seen this in lots of sci-fi movies and then, you know, do we need them to be human-like in any way, shape or form? but with what xpeng is doing what unitary is doing tesla shundai did you see that yes you know well also heading in a in a direction which it made me feel slightly shameful because for viewers that don't know i spent 30 years being a being a robot you know on telly and i did a comedy robot walk because it's a robot so it's not going to walk like a normal human being it's going to have a funny comedy walk because it's a machine.

51:18Then you see these things and they're kind of slouchy walk. I mean, they are perfect imitations of human walking. They're not stiff and wobbly. You know, they're just kind of slinky with sort of slinky... Did you see the X-Peng? So X-Peng's robot is called, a humanoid robot is called Iron. And the chairman basically, people had insinuated it was AI and he actually got some scissors and he was on stage. Did you see that? I don't know if you've seen that video. He cut the material. It looked like a human being that was doing it. So people were saying to you, and he actually did that in front of an audience.

51:52It was extraordinary, right? I mean, where next? I mean, you might have more of a view on robots than... Well, I don't really. I don't think it's given me any insights into it. But it is whether it makes sense. I suppose, I mean, the idea of having one in your home that does domestic tasks is... If that happens on a big scale, I'm definitely too old. Because I wouldn't dream of having one, because they're hard metal things. So if you accidentally bash into one, it's not like knocking into a person. It's like knocking into a hard machine, which won't fall over. I don't know. But I mean, on the other hand, for instance, my wonderful mother-in-law, who is slightly incapacitated at 95 years old, if there was a machine that could gently lift her up and move her and do all the caring that she needs you can imagine that particularly in Japan I think it's already happening I mean that sort of stuff you can see but even in hospitals there's roles for machines to help humans definitely I just don't know whether I wouldn't want to spend the same amount of money you'd spend on a car to have a humanoid style robot that puts dishes in the dishwasher it's not that hard washing up.

53:07It's not that hard sweeping the floor. I mean, isn't it going to be for people who've got money or businesses, right? It could be people who've got money. You could argue for people with disabilities. There could be a role there for it. Also, plummeting birth rates does mean we're going to need more people to potentially look after aging populations. I heard a guy talking about who was at CES. I can't remember now. The suit that you put on that helps you. Like an exoskeleton. Exoskeleton. And he tried one from a company last year, and he used it, and it worked, and it lifted him up, and it helped him move.

53:40Amazing. But he was really uncomfortable. It felt really awkward. He went to the same company this year. He put it on. He had it on all day. He forgot it was on. When he needed to sit down, and there was nowhere to sit, he just did a sitting position that held him there, and he could relax. And then when he needed to get up, it would push him up. And then you go, that is incredible. You know, I want to have a go with one of those. I've had one of those. this exoskeleton will stop you tripping over what brilliant well one of the things we're doing I'm sure you're aware of this in fact I think you might have already recorded a podcast with Elliot is that we're bringing more of the future tech into what we do so we are creating a new podcast which Elliot's going to host I think with you and that's going to be called Tech in China we think there's huge interest around the world of what's going on there and that's going to be way beyond the car.

54:32That's going to be everything from autonomous driving to drones to humanoid robots, anything you can think of. So that's interesting. And then we're going to bring that into our live event format as well. Right. So we're going to have a future tech. Yes, which is really exciting. Carboard future tech content because we're already seeing companies like X-Men come with a flying car, with a humanoid robot. I think Tesla brought Optimus to the Sydney show last year. So the opportunity and the interest in those things means that we'd be, well, we're fascinated. So it'd be silly not to kind of talk about those and sort of extend our kind of field of view to talk about that kind of future tech.

55:10But it is just strange to me that having read things like Asimov growing up and Philip K. Dick and watched all this sci-fi stuff that we are now moving into that incredibly scary. yes but fascinating it's always going to be a combination because you could have a four-legged you know robotic machine that can go upstairs, downstairs, open doors do all that stuff and also carry your shopping would be brilliant and also follow you wherever you go like a dog quite like a robot dog but I want it to be able to carry all the shopping upstairs you know that would be amazing but also you know that thing could also be armed with high explosive guns and rocket launchers and chase you wherever you went and you couldn't get away and if you go behind a door and lock it, it just blows the door up.

56:02You know, they're always going to be. It's like drones. When we first saw camera drones, it never occurred to me. It just didn't make me, I didn't think, oh, you could put a bomb on that, but clearly that's exactly what's happened. Bigly. You know, when you think of the amount of young Russian men who've been killed by drones, and I'm not saying the Russians are right, but I'm saying the poor soldiers. It's never their fault. I always think that's important to remind ourselves. It's not the bloody soldiers who make the decisions, you know. But you know, drones have proven themselves to be phenomenally adept weapons, which is quite scary.

56:38We won't be covering any weapons on Earth the Electric. We'd probably get huge views if we did. And loads of sponsorship. Yes, so we won't be doing that. But, you know, someone else will. Yeah, I'm sure. You can be sure of that. And, you know, from our standpoint, one of the things we're doing this year is we're going back to Harrogate. Yes! I'm so excited about that. We're doing a show in your backyard in Cheltenham. That's fine. It'll be very good and everybody will love it, but it's a bit close. And then we're going to Twickenham as well. Yeah, Twickenham's good. And then back to Sydney later in the year too so that's for us it's been a really kind of interesting journey I think and what we're doing differently with the events this year is they are predominantly outdoors right and that's landed really really well with the car companies and others which is unfortunately running a commercial business model that's really really important that the companies are kind of interested but that's been that we've had an amazing response to that so we're really looking forward to to doing those and uh starting to we're working on those now we're starting to promote those and yeah lots and lots of great content coming out we've got tech in china podcast im jennaida regular podcast about the industry called pulse brilliant i've been listening to your almost breaking news yeah uh is a is a real kind of uh favorite and then we've got some great car episodes and some great home tech episodes as well home tech uh and gravity i mean that's i just want people to watch that so what have you filmed a couple of things yeah the most recent was the gravity one i haven't seen the footage yet but and it's in it's it's we we've talked i've talked about it on the show it's a thing that has been discussed here there's a company in the uk called gravetricity which was the idea which you drop a huge weight down an old mine shaft this is a company in uh which is called green gravity in australia there are they've got um it's tens of thousands of old mineshafts in australia there's millions around the world that are just what do you do with them you know they're not they're they've been mined uh there's a couple that are sort of two and three kilometers deep so there's a long way so what they're doing is not one big weight that goes down generates electricity then you pull it up when electricity is cheaper then it goes down that's all it is it's like a giant pulley that that but theirs are are it's just such a clever idea and it's really worth watching but it's multiple weights so they'll drop down and wait they're the ones they're talking about commercially are between five and fifty tons so it's not nothing okay it's big but it's not thousands of tons and that one drops down and that releases it at the bottom and that gets stored in the in the bottom of the mine it comes up with nothing on the the thing that holds it comes out and puts another one but while that's doing that there's two others or three others that are also dropping weights all coming up and it can generate a constant supply of electricity, 5, 10, 15 megawatts, for 24 hours.

59:38So that can be stored when electricity is cheap or free from solar and then used. So it's really long term. And also, if you don't need it, nothing happens. You could store that electricity for 100 years. It's not going to go anywhere in that sense. And then you could use it again. So it has none of those restrictions that a lot of the other systems and, you know, certainly chemical batteries have. You know, it can't wear out because you can replace bearings or wheels if you need to. It's actually mechanical, isn't it? It's mechanical and it's the fact that there's just millions of disused mines.

1:00:12So they're talking to people like in Romania and in, I can't remember, lots of European countries where coal was a big thing, Poland. Because they've got millions of holes in the ground and they don't know what to do with them. I mean they usually just fill them up and you know dump stuff into them and seal them off but there's so many of them and the one problem I do remember the gravetricity people having in the UK was the ground around the the top of the mine because it was like Victorian era was really unstable it would cost a fortune to reinforce it well all the mines in Australia are newer they have very solid things because there was a whole load of stuff built above it which has all it's gone now but some of them have infrastructure that they can use directly so like you know that this sort of classic image of the big wheel at the top of a coal mine which has which is how the lifts worked up and down they'll use that so the generator and the winch will be mounted in a building and the thing will go over and they can drop this stuff up and down and they've got this system which we saw dropping up down i mean so it was i went there i sort of oh it's another one of these weird startup things I don't know and then you see you go whatever else it may be for economic reasons they can't do it but the technology was genius it was simple it was using ready-made mechanical bits they're not having to produce anything new themselves they can use the pulleys the leverage systems the sliding decks to move the weights in and out we're all kind of generic off-the-shelf components really really clever I can't wait to watch that no it's good it's well good.

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1:02:43Well I think we know we've kind of covered quite a lot of areas Dan, we've chewed considerable amounts of fat but it was all organic and ethically sorted. I think I said we were going to swear a lot today and then I didn't and you did. Oh did I? Because I said I wouldn't swear. So apologies to anyone sensitive. But I just want to say that the shows we're going to be doing this year, I mean if you're anywhere near Harrogate, which a lot of people tell me isn't the north of England. It's north-ish. North for us. Yeah, if you live in northern Scotland, it's definitely down south. But anyway, yeah, it's such a lovely venue.

1:03:20We've always had, the shows we've done there have always been an absolute choice. Cheltenham Racecourse reminds me of Yorkshire Event Centre, beautiful place. So that will be similarly a wonderful, wonderful show in a lovely setting. Yes, very nice, Cheltenham. and then the other one is in Twickenham which I'm totally intrigued Greg so I've never been near it so is that where they say rugby it's at the at the stadium right so if you if you if you're into rugby I used to play a little bit by heart but I'm not a rugby guy I'm a football guy but there's the kind of a fan village they have outside it's in that kind of area there so I think that's going to be fantastic as well and then back to Sydney and then back to Sydney and then reviewing all our plans for where we go yeah next maybe Canada comes back onto the menu now than thinking about getting Chinese cars.

1:04:04But anyway, we'll see. We'll see. And also, Honolulu, I think. That's the one bit of America I would go to. I'd love to go to. I've never been to Hawaii. There's definitely some interest from there. You've only just got back. I know. I don't want to go anywhere at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. But that's been good. So please do, for one thing, subscribe to Everything Electric Cars and Everything Electric Tech. I always want to say, tell your mates, but tell your annoying uncle who thinks that batteries will have to be replaced after six months because he might you might have an annoying aunt actually I should be broad-minded anyway yeah do subscribe and as always if you have been thank you for watching