Zapheap, Secret Launches & Breaking Down The New EV Grant! | Everything Electric Podcast

18:29Robert Llewellyn:I was going to say, I think the blowing the nose thing, that's something that even in Jack and I, I think, in our recent history we can remember sort of seven years ago you blew your nose after being in london and it was it was not a pretty sight and now it's a little bit more pretty but i i would

18:45Imogen Bhogal:just like to go on record and say i have never blown my nose and looked into the tissue and been like well i must have been in london today you guys do you guys really i'm not really analyzing my bogeys all that much at all guys i'll be completely honest with you

18:59Robert Llewellyn:either you have a much better personal hygiene than myself and robert or you you are london

19:04Imogen Bhogal:born and bred so perhaps yeah no it is just two streams of lava but i assume that's normal because

19:09Robert Llewellyn:that's what it's always been for me michael is such an interesting character for two reasons yeah he's absolutely incredible he has been so instrumental in this clean transport journey across london a career spanning sort of 20 years he became like the most senior civil servant that you could possibly be when it comes to the government and clean energy and transport and uh i remember the first time i met him which was about five years ago he was giving me a bit of a whistle stop tour of his of his career and some of the things he'd done at transport for london some stuff he'd done for the department of transport blah blah blah blah blah and i was like yeah all right there's no way that this guy has done it because he's like 28 years old and he's just like a little bit of a slightly arrogant graduate i'm gonna say yes and then i was like hang on a second you just physically couldn't have squeezed all of this into your you know four-year career that he's had so far.

20:01Robert Llewellyn:Turns out he's like much older than 28, but he just looks fantastic. So clearly there is something energising. Yeah, it's very, very unfair. I would say it's cruel how much hair he's got and how dark it is when you compare it with his age. That's just not fair. That's left the rest of the white male race

20:22Imogen Bhogal:just reeling in depression and self-loathing, particularly me.

20:27Robert Llewellyn:The other thing is that he was very instrumental in setting up the original Office for Zero Emission Vehicles and the grants that existed, I guess, about seven to ten years ago now. Yes. Which means that it's particularly interesting having this conversation now because as of last week, there's been the announcement of the new electric vehicle grant of£3 ,750 for cars that fit the criteria that are under£37 ,000. And we've all kind of been observing the commentary around that news. What are your thoughts? Well, I'll do very briefly. I think it's not bad. It makes me, there is a side of it that always makes me slightly worried and did before in the sense that, you know, it's such an easy target for people who are opposed to any change in transport policy in that, oh, they're so rubbish.

21:22you have to give people money to buy them. The government has to, you know, and that. So, you know, in a sense, I want, you know, any technology you buy to be worth it because it's better and it's, you know, it's cheaper to live with and run. And, you know, I want it to stand up on its own two feet. So that's, and it has been interesting that since the original grant has disappeared, which is, I don't know, well, not that long ago, three or four years ago. Something like that. When the old grant stopped. the sales of electric vehicles have just continued to rise. So if they just immediately dropped off a cliff and no one was buying electric cars, then we've got a massive problem.

22:02But I think it does send a message, though, that the government are serious about this transition. And I think one of the aspects that I thought it was a shame in the timing, so it's nothing to do with the grant, but they've actually allocated£63 million funding funding for on-street and off-street charging, so to support the charging network, which is now all the complaints I hear from people, they're not about the cost of the cars, they're not about the reliability of the cars or the batteries. It's always everyone talks about the charging. Oh, I'd love to use an electric car, but there's no charging infrastructure.

22:39And you bite your knuckle again, well, there are 83 ,000 rapid charges in the country and there's about 1 ,000 being put in every week and they are, you know, charging infrastructure. But if you don't use it, you don't rely on it, you don't see it. You know, it's very easy to ignore it. But so, I mean, I guess I'm a bit torn, but not newly torn. I was already torn with the old grant as well. But I do think it's like 60 % in favour of it and think it's really good. So my reservations are in the minority.

23:12Robert Llewellyn:And the charging thing is really interesting because I was listening to Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 when the announcement was made. And I really, really cannot abide that show most of the time because I just find it incredible that, you know, they'll be like salt gritters up and down the country are causing outrage. And it'll be this sort of, you know, they'll sensationalize any topic basically. And I think they were looking to really sensationalize this particular topic. And lots of people were ringing and saying, I love my EV. I will never go back. It's great. Okay. but the charging infrastructure is a challenge.

23:48Robert Llewellyn:And then there were a couple of people who were slightly more negative towards electric vehicles or electric vehicle transportation. And they were like, my electric vehicle is great, but I had these two terrible experiences of the charging network and I will never buy an electric vehicle again. So exactly as you described, so interesting that the gripes on both sides of the spectrum, for EVs and against EVs, came down to this perception of the charging infrastructure, which is something, until you live with an ev you can't you can't yeah yeah yeah and especially because everyone's the way that people travel and where they go is so different so your experience of the charging infrastructure is so unique to you your household your job the way you live your life um so it's difficult to or it's just not reflective talking about it in these like huge sweeping terms yes Well, I mean, also the three of us are kind of interesting example.

24:42You know, I do have room, you know, off the street to park a car and plug it in. You know, I have all those advantages. And both of you drive electric cars and you don't. You have to use the public charging. So what I would imagine is my fuel costs are, you know, it's the absolute opposite of virtue signaling. I drive around shame signaling. I'm going, oh, I feel really bad. I've just driven 200 miles. wasn't it? The fuel cost was zero because it was all from my solar panels, you know, so it's so unfair. And that is a really new twist. It has something to do with income and with wealth, because, you know, you've got to have a house with a garage and or a house with a driveway to do that.

25:21And then you've got to have solar panels and then, you know, to take full advantage of that. But yeah, I mean, how on earth do you manage? It's impossible to have an electric car I'm not having to drive. Well, it's not impossible.

25:34Imogen Bhogal:I'm very lucky that I, you know, the charger that matters the most is the one at home. And at home might mean on your driveway, if you're lucky, or it might mean the charger nearest to your home. In my case, fortunately, on my street that I plug my car into overnight and grab it in the morning and unplug it. So I kind of get the experience of having my own driveway charger. The problem is it's way more expensive because I pay tax on my charging and you, Robert, don't. And as we all know, there is actually a bill of parking. Less tax, exactly. Yes, less tax. This is currently being discussed in Parliament, isn't there?

26:04Imogen Bhogal:There is a bill to slash the tax on public charging, which I would argue is as instrumental, if not more instrumental, in enabling electric vehicles in a big way. Because then there is no if, buts, or maybes around it being much charger to run an electric car, because the charging would just be so much more affordable for everyone if they slashed that tax on public charging. In regards to the... I'll just make it clear for people overseas who may not know, when you're at any household, it's VAT, it's called value-added tax, which is on many products and goods that you buy in this country. But at home, when you buy electricity, you pay 5 % VAT on top of your bill.

26:44And when you plug into a public charge, you're paying 20%. So it's a big difference. It makes a big difference. If it was 5 % for public charges, it would be really a lot cheaper.

26:55Robert Llewellyn:But the challenge that it comes with all of that is that I think I'm right in saying, and if I'm incorrect, then someone in the comments, please do feel free to correct me. But in this discussion that's going through Parliament at the moment about reforming the tax structure, it's not necessarily bring public charging down to 5 % to match home charging. There's speculation that actually it's just made the same. So actually there could be a scenario where it's 20 % VAT on home electric charging. Wow. which then there's this all this complicated stuff around well if you've been generating your own power on your own solar panels do you really mean to suggest that you're being paid charge tax on stuff that you're suggesting is that that you that only the electricity that goes into your car you have to pay 20 the electricity that runs your lights is still five percent how the the The technological and bureaucratic complexity of separating those two is...

27:52Robert Llewellyn:It's nonsense. It's like total faff. If that was the case here at my house, the first thing I'd do is run my extension cable out of the kitchen where I plug the kettle in.

28:03Imogen Bhogal:Charge a large external power bank and then run the car off that. Yeah, brilliant. I mean, anyway, yeah.

28:09Robert Llewellyn:It's so silly. And if ever you ask a politician about the 20 % VAT thing versus the 5 % VAT thing, they're like, oh you'll have to ask the tax office because we don't know and i'm like oh god it's so and it just kind of points to the fact that there's lots of i really believe that there are so many people who have opinions about this or are forming policy about these sorts of things who haven't actually lived with the technology and experienced it because when it goes right when you have your sort of setup of either you know if you have home charging dreamy because it's you're paying basically nothing with those really lovely tariffs that you can get through OVO and Octopus and the likes of that.

28:46Robert Llewellyn:Or you do figure out how it works for you without a home charger and you do experience like a better overall experience. And it is slightly more comparable with the cost of petrol and diesel if you don't find destination charging, but it is generally speaking much more seamless. And like for me, I don't have a home charger, which is kind of annoying. I wish we did. But either we live, you know, 10 minutes from a rapid charger or I go to the gym where there is free charging. And that is a good incentive to go to the gym. I'll just do another hour on the treadmill. Like generally today.

29:21Imogen Bhogal:And by the way, why have more businesses not realised that it's a fantastic way to get people through the door and staying for longer?

29:30Robert Llewellyn:Literally, because today at the gym, A, I wouldn't have gone to the gym if I didn't need to charge. And the reason I need to charge is because I'm taking my nephew to lego land on wednesday need to get there uh very important auntie duties but i know that it's an 11 kilowatt charger which is pretty good but so i'm gonna have to gym for a bit and then i'm probably gonna have to be there for a little bit more time i will buy a coffee or whatever um so you know there's ways to reconsider that dwell time and the opportunity opportunity i

29:58Imogen Bhogal:think that that presents yeah definitely um back to the grant very quickly i would yeah i would agree with Bobby in that it's most definitely better than having no incentives. Having incentives is better than no incentives. I do understand, Robert, your point about the sort of perception issues around, oh, we have to make this cheaper. But I wouldn't worry too much about that because as we've seen from countries like Norway, where they're very good at electric cars and everyone drives them, the way you get people into them is almost immaterial. It's just about getting people into them all the surveys that we've conducted prove that once people go electric they do not go back it's just about getting them into those electric cars initially so i think anything we can do to incentivize that is beneficial my issue with it is that it's confusing and convoluted there are many many caveats and it's not as simple as all cars under this price get this much of a discount it's about how sustainably they were built how sustainably the battery was made and that sounds worthy but there's a lot of problems with that number one being almost all batteries are made in china and i think that disqualifies cars from a certain amount of the discount so we now have this situation where no one knows how discounted cars are going to be anyone car is i've been googling this morning looking for some article from one of the big automotive outlets saying here are the cars that qualify and here's how much but no one knows.

31:22Imogen Bhogal:And I think a bigger, more valid issue we have right now in terms of getting people to go electric, a more valid issue than price, more valid issue than charging infrastructure is confusion. Anxiety about it being a bit daunting and confusing remains a valid anxiety about going electric because people are talking about kilowatt hours and kilowatts. What the hell are those? They're different things. And we've just added more complexity with this grant that is massively varied in terms of which car and which brand. So I'm a bit frustrated by that. I hope that that will become clearer over the coming weeks because there is a lot of uproar about how confusing it is.

31:58Imogen Bhogal:My hope is that the government will now clarify and before long, we will have just a shopping list. Here are the cars that qualify for the grant. Here's how much you get off them because that's what we need for this to be useful, right? Yeah.

32:10Robert Llewellyn:I think that's such a valid point. And actually Ginny Buckley, who runs electrifying.com, said something along the lines of like if you have this grant that doesn't just sort of blanket apply to all vehicles under 37 000 pounds you're actually reducing the competition and the perceived choice which then of course has its own problems as well um so that's a challenge and also the confusion and this has been really interesting for me on a personal level because my dad he's a proper eco warrior he you know his house is pretty much off grid he you know has like 30 second showers in the spirit of saving water that kind of thing but his car is the last thing that he's gone to change and he is like a super smart human being and yet he's like honestly Imogen can you just tell me which one I need to get a bike on the back that is pretty much my only criteria and I think that's an insight of someone who's not in the weeds on this like we all are it's like oh for god's sake there's just like all of this information to navigate and I can't really be bothered um so I think yeah the confusion is is it's really interesting and i think many people out there would argue should we just be putting that effort towards what's happening in the second hand market where of course like i think seven out of eight car purchases are made or six out of seven i forget the exact number um especially here in the uk and the charging question which remains a challenge that's

33:35Imogen Bhogal:being floated that actually investment would be better spent in uh some sort of grants around used electric vehicles. I can't quite get my head around how that would work. Do you think that would be a better model, given that that's what people are mostly buying? I mean, I think it probably would. I mean, because that would, that you could see then substantially lowered, you know, like you could even get to sub 10 ,000 pounds for a secondhand vehicle that's perfectly good and it's in good condition, you know. I mean, I think it generates, any of those sort of government ideas just generate bureaucracy that is, by definition, confusing.

34:12And that's the problem with it, I suppose. But, I mean, in a sense, I would be much more enthusiastic about second-hand ones because new cars are generally bought by, you know, big leasing companies. And that's, I mean, you know, I lease my car. Because I never, never went in a new car until I was in my mid-50s. So, you know, who could buy a new car? I mean, I didn't know anyone who could buy a new car. I never met anyone who would like go into a showroom and buy a new car. It was just unheard of. Everyone had second, third, fourth hand cars. You know, that was just normal.

34:45Imogen Bhogal:I suppose one of the legacy car makers would jump to say in response to that is like, we are hurting enough right now. Yes, already. The decentivizing buying new cars. And I think this is as much about helping POEMs as anything else. They are all, even ones who are trying in earnest, like, you know, the Vauxhall managing director for the UK has posted this thing on LinkedIn kind of going, look, we've done everything. We've electrified every model in our lineup. We have electric versions of cars that are cheaper than the petrol version of the same car. And we're way off targets. We're way off targets for net zero.

35:19Imogen Bhogal:And we're facing a one and a half billion pound fine this year. We need a leg up. So maybe we're thinking about it wrong. Maybe this is as much about helping the OEM get through this tricky, sticky transition as it is about getting more people

35:32Robert Llewellyn:into electric cars quickly yeah and i think the thing we have to remember like jack the reason you and i drive electric cars is because we're fortunate enough to have a salary sacrifice scheme at work that is what enables us to do it if we did not have that we would be waiting for like desperately waiting for the price to come down and down and down and down such that you know probably a second-hand ev would be feasible or that the grants are available on on slightly cheaper models the dog is normally really still but she has started like i was wondering what that was she used to get her nails clipped tomorrow so she'll be less noisy next time um but i think the thing we have to remember in all of this so we have the salary sacrifice that is a level of like privilege that we experience there are lots of people out there rob i'm gonna put you in this camp who have off-road you have a driveway you can charge your home going electric just makes so much sense because it's like the more affordable option sort of long term but there are many people for whom a no salary sacrifice b no driveway and we do need to lower the barrier such that electric vehicles are more accessible and that whatever mechanism we choose to get there is a good thing yeah i mean i i firmly believe we will get there because it's just it's such a big global movement you know that there's going to be countries where it's slower and there's going to be places where it's not you know it's harder to do the charging all those things are all real concerns and real challenges but i think it will happen and i think one of the things that i think is very hopeful uh one is one of the stories i covered in the news which uh which is you know a a random volkswagen id3 had its battery tested after 107 000 miles and it had dropped eight miles, it lost eight miles of range in that time.

37:24Well, the range is 250 miles. So, you know, it's not really made a big difference, which means you can buy a car that's, you know, I think, I'll step back, this is a bit I cut from the news, but I went on a huge rant about how much it cost me to have old cars that I bought for 400 pounds, you know, as a third or fourth hand rusting golf, I would spend thousands of pounds in the next three years keeping that car going, because it It was constantly breaking down. It would blow gaskets. The exhaust manifold would come off. The carburetor would get stuck. You know, the fuel lines would be blocked.

37:59The brakes wouldn't work. You know, everything went wrong with them because they were old cars. Well, it's quite possible that in, say, 20 years' time, you know, you buy an old second-hand electric car, you know, it might get punctures. It might need the steering realigning. It might need some work on the brakes or suspension. But it's just not going to cost as much to keep that going. So the long term, I think, is hopeful. The short term is painful. But the other quick thing I want to say is the government figures are, I think it's actually slightly under 60 % of UK households have somewhere off the street to park a car.

38:36Probably 5 % of those people, of those households, currently have an electric car, if that, probably even less, i.e. there's a massive wodge of the human race in this country that could take huge advantage from having electric cars. And then they would then therefore produce second-hand and third-hand ones and they'd hand them to their kids or whatever the system is. So, you know, I think there should be focus on the people like yourselves who can't charge at home. But I think there should be some pressure, could be moral, on the millions of people in this country who will still have a diesel SUV parked in front of their house off the street which they then have to get in start it up drive down the road to fill it up with toxic imported fossil fuels sorry i won't rant anymore yeah if you have your own driveway

39:25Imogen Bhogal:and you do not have a lifestyle that requires that you drive hundreds of miles in all different directions every week what are you doing what are you doing not getting an electric car at this

39:37Robert Llewellyn:point it's that's bizarre to me yeah especially what is the tariff like seven people kilowatt hour or something like that it's like it's so at night yeah yeah and you know if we take like i'm gonna do some live maths here not in my head i am using a calculator but let's say like the average battery size is about 60 kilowatt hours yeah so and you never really go nop to 100 so yes you could say 40 45 kilowatt hours is your top up overnight yeah i mean we're talking like three pounds to four pounds 20 for like 270 miles of range i mean it's just it's it's hard to argue with um oh i had an interesting point it probably wasn't interesting at all so i won't i won't mention it but i am aware that we are coming towards 40 minutes of of rabbiting on um so much more rabbiting to do so much more rabbiting and i'm so grateful that we have all of zap heap episode two pilot to catch up in more detail as well because we definitely get the easiest ride compared to the teams the all of the camera crew we get a lovely time it's nice no it's wonderful yeah yeah um i think yeah it's very exciting as well we don't need to go into details about the teams this week but just to very briefly explain the teams we had last week are very experienced in terms of putting electric motors in and batteries in things let's leave it there Whereas the teams that are coming this week, they might know what a battery and an electric motor is.

41:07They might know a great deal about them on a very academic level, but they haven't actually possibly done quite what they're facing them.

41:16Robert Llewellyn:And also the teams from last week, they're all colleagues to each other. The teams this week are a slightly more hodgepodge collection of people. One of them is actually, I know quite well, we're married. He's been recruited. So I'm quite looking forward to... Yeah.

41:35Imogen Bhogal:I'm planning on selling a subplot into this episode across the day. I'm going to do little bits to camera. One of these engineers is married to one of us presenters. But to whom? And to whom? It's Robert and that big Yorkshire bloke with greasy thumbs over there. That's what they've been for. It's been lovely years.

41:57Robert Llewellyn:Do you know, actually, there are two people married to each other who are going to be on site.

42:03Imogen Bhogal:Oh.

42:04Robert Llewellyn:On set. Yeah. I didn't know that. So the plot thickens. Yeah. Oh, right. Don't tell us who. We'll see if we can work it out.

42:09Imogen Bhogal:A sub sub. Wow.

42:11Robert Llewellyn:But aside from Zap Peep, what are you looking forward to in the next couple of weeks? What have we got on?

42:18Imogen Bhogal:Oh, I know. I know. Yeah. I think you're about to say the same thing. Go on.

42:22Robert Llewellyn:You guys have an extremely exciting shoot next week. Oh, yes, we do. We do have a good shoot next week. I still haven't heard, Jack, but I will remind them. So we're trying, there's a particular vehicle we're trying to get slightly earlier than it was offered to us so that we've got the only day we can film it. We can do what we're planning to do. No, I'm very excited about that.

42:41Imogen Bhogal:This is the world's worst podcast because we're just talking about lots of things that we're not allowed to talk about. But we'll again tease it and we'll say this. Robert has a very special, extremely high-end new electric car. And we're going to put it up against an old car that's been turned electric and ask the question, if you're well off and you want a special car for six figures that's electric do you go shiny and new or do you electrify something classic and old? The only little addendum is it's not my car. I haven't bought the most expensive. You know, it's a press loan.

43:20Robert Llewellyn:And you know, this is it because we're so aware that when things creep over a certain price point there's a very small minority of our audience who who will ever legitimately consider those vehicles although for any of the prs listening to this please continue to give us those cars anyway um and so we know that we need to do something a little bit more exciting and fun with those episodes so that i think it's going to be quite silly it'll be fun actually the other thing quickly while i remember and this is in a sense relating to expensive electric vehicles I have now seen two JLR, heavily camouflaged vehicles, definitely both electric.

44:00The one was the Jaguar. So it was so obvious it was the Jaguar because the shape of that, even though they did stuff over the park. It was basically a bonnet came around the corner and about 10 minutes later, it was followed by a windscreen. And it was towing a huge trailer, heavily laden trailer, up a hill, I would say at or slightly above the speed limit. It was really pelting up the hill.

44:22Imogen Bhogal:This is a tasty scoop because the Jaguar have a facility very near where you live in the Cotswolds, don't they? Yes, so I'm not far from there. That is interesting to note that whatever pre-production car they are working on sufficiently resembles that bonkers concept that you can recognise it. It is hard to say. Yeah, it was coming the other way. It was very wide, very long, and very low. that's all i can say because it was very heavily covered it had some weird lumps on the on the roof that won't be on it but then the other one i saw on friday there's no question it was a range rover well it was and i was in static traffic and it went the other way i was in a queue and it went fast so it may have been a new hybrid version i don't know but it looked like the electric one and it was again covered in the weird uh camouflagey stuff so but i've just heard that They've delayed the release of it till next year, the electric Range Rover.

45:21Robert Llewellyn:I was going to say hot off the press, but actually it's not that hot. It's more like lukewarm off the press. Yeah, they're delaying it by all accounts. And I mean, that's a sadness and it's also not totally surprising. But interestingly, because we had Rorden Glover from Jaguar on the podcast the other day. Yes. And I was like, how closely will the real car resemble the Type 00 concept that we've all seen? He was like... Because it was at Goodwood, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And he was like, it should be really, really similar with the exception that it's four doors rather than two doors. And I was like, really?

45:54Robert Llewellyn:It's going to be that long here in the UK? And I was like, surely it won't be available on the, you know, exec company car scheme. He's like, I think it will be. I think it's made for it. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, that thing is... The bonnet is comically long, isn't it? I mean, it's like Cruella de Vil. It's that sort of... Yeah, and also just like nothing, like there's not really going to be that much functional stuff in there. It is an aesthetic choice rather than an engineering one. But I mean, you know. You could put a 250 kilowatt hour battery, you know, in physical size, it would easily, you know, from what I can judge of the size of the battery.

46:33Imogen Bhogal:But I mean, that would weigh two times. I wonder if it might be sort of quote unquote front engine. Yeah. Just a thought.

46:39Robert Llewellyn:but yeah i mean i mean either that or it's got the most monumental frunk in the whole entire world and you could have moved uh your daughter back to your house in it so yes i look forward to taking the the weighted blanket back to bristol that might have been what they were testing i reckon they were that jaguar were testing towing a trailer with a weighted blanket in it oh man but no what was impressive with that was i was behind a truck going down a hill uh you know and that's a hill i've seen many jaguars and land rovers with camouflage over the last 30 years that that's one of their obviously their favored routes but it came the other way because i was going quite so it came the other way at speed and i could see it coming around this going oh my god that's that thing i think it's got a trailer and it went past me so it's got some it's got some you know it's got some oomph whatever else it's got um well i think you know for today we we've shared some piles of sort of wisdom and some piles of less wisdom but done some chatting which is good um but that probably is all that we have time for um so as we wrap up i guess anyone who's listening if you could like comment subscribe all of the stuff share with a friend it's always appreciated it's always really handy um any

48:01Imogen Bhogal:other final thoughts come to Farnborough see the contraptions do battle in October on those dates that I definitely have memorized 11th and 12th 11th and 12th of October that is definitely a that is a must do if you're in the UK anywhere south of Aberdeen it's worth the trip. And if you're in Aberdeen, stay away. You stay up there. You're not welcome. You can come. You know how Bobby feels about Northern Scottish. Everyone would be very welcome. It is a long way from Aberdeen, as it's fair to say. But it will be. I'm really looking forward to that.

48:38Robert Llewellyn:Yeah, because we'll be doing the actual competitions between the contraptions live at our Farnborough live show. And that is, I mean, that is such a scoop for anyone who is planning on attending. um it'll be really fun so um but that's it do you want to do you want to do the thing the you know if you have if you have been oh i saw should i do that okay yes you've done this you've i can try and do that you've done the subscribe thing i always want to say tell your pals and your friends and your uncle who's annoying and anyone else that you love uh about the about the everything electric podcast yeah there we go and uh that's it if you have been As always, thank you for watching.

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