One of My Most Powerful Conversations Yet: Ky Dickens of The Telepathy Tapes

25:59That must be fascinating too, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that the parents who are putting the hard work and love and presence and dedication every day to care for someone 24-7. I mean, just think for parents who have a neurotypical child, how hard it is the first three years of life when you're helping with going to the bathroom and feeding and you know and running away and escaping and not knowing what they want because they're not talking yet like imagine that forever yeah and so you can imagine a lot of devotion it takes i know someone the other day was like why is your daughter still in diapers and i was like i don't know when she's going to be out of that yeah it might not ever be and that's fine she can't tell she has no clue about, our body can't feel it.

26:40And so it was just this moment of like, I mean, I do think it's so important what you're doing just to give people a little bit of understanding. You know, I can't let go of her hand in public. Yesterday we saw her unlatch the front door lock. Her ABA therapist came over and we just had the screen and the front door was open. And she looked at her and said, let's go play and then unlocked the door and I was like oh my god yeah she'd never done that before yeah now we're in a whole new world of we live on a busy street yeah now she knows I have now I'm having a gate installed next week yeah because the whole front area needs to be completely gated in with locks that are six feet tall so she can't reach them bike locks yeah she could get hit by a car in two seconds yeah and I think that's the truth is that like society has to have a lot more compassion for for autism parents because of eloping.

27:35I mean, and the individuals can't help it. You know, so many, at least like in our podcast, who we've been working with, it's really about apraxia, this mind body disconnect, where so often you can't control what your body is doing. You want to stay and sit, but you have your body walks away. Yeah, she doesn't. It's beyond her control. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're supposed to be with your parent or you want to be here, but you run off or you see something exciting. And and though you you don't want to get hurt, like your body just completely betrays your mind all the time and your intention and how tricky.

28:04And so like elopement, which is like running off, running off is a real thing and it's terrifying and it's nothing you can control and your daughter can't either. I wanted to get the leash, but my husband was like, we're not doing it. And I was like, no, they're cute. They have little backpacks and then she can have the thing and she's like, you won't do it. But it's interesting. Sometimes we'll just be like, let's see where she goes. and you could see her she maps areas. So she'll kind of like she'll take off but then sometimes she'll come back and then she'll map and then that'll be her safe area.

28:35Oh, interesting. You'll just see her go to like five points over and over again. That's interesting. Yeah. She loves to map a zone. That's super interesting. I know, it's really cool. That's very cool.

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32:52You know, with all the individuals that you've spent time with, was there anything that was like truly, really shocking to you? I mean, all of it's been shocking. I mean, I think the whole thing is shocking in a way, right? Because, I mean, I don't think there's ever been a doubt in my mind that people whose physically body looks disabled or incapable or unruly is they're not in there. So that wasn't a shock to me. But I know it's a shock to a lot of people to see these individuals who seem like they can't control their body to communicate. So that's been interesting watching my crew experience that.

33:21But of course, like validating over and over that the mind reading is real. and now what's been fun is we've been doing these science you know i mean we've been capturing an independent group of neuroscientists that are doing studies around the telepathy and authorship around spelling in different rooms different zip codes and it's borne out over and over and over again so knowing it's going to get like fully scientifically validated is amazing you know and like i don't think any of the parents ever had a doubt the fear is okay how will these individuals do under pressure where they know that everything is hinging on this to validate their skills right I mean, so that's been really cool.

33:56But every bit of it is shocking. I mean, and I have not yet met a non-speaker who's not unbelievably beautiful and fascinating on the inside, you know, once they're allowed out. And yeah, I mean, it's just so interesting because it's so important to remember that they're human beings first, right? Right. Who are age appropriate and have age appropriate with, you know, interests and that type of thing. But then, of course, there's this the gifts that come along with at least many of the non-speakers I've met. And that could be telepathy. It could be speaking to the other side. It could be knowing languages.

34:31Yeah, the knowing languages. Yeah. Fascinating. Multiple languages sometimes. Music. Seeing math, auras around plants and animals. Yeah. Being able to seemingly download all sorts of music. The young woman's passage who wrote that to me this morning, she can diagnose someone by looking at them. And then she's able to give you a medicinal remedy. And it's really fascinating because she knows all sorts of Chinese herbs and plants. And how old is she? She's 18, 19. Unbelievable. And her family had no idea. Like, how does she know this information? It's nothing that she's been taught. Yet she'll say to someone, you need to take a scragulis or whatever, some Chinese herb.

35:12to help with bolsting their immune system, or you should take this because you have a heart condition and you have high blood cholesterol. Wow. So it's just, it never stops being endlessly fascinating. And I think the most important thing for all of us right now is to figure out how to support these individuals, get spelling legalized, quote unquote, into every school. Yeah, can you, I know you've talked about this before. Can you explain what that roadblock is? Because it's heartbreaking to me that there's a roadblock there. Yeah, and it's a human rights issue and it's awful. And I think before I've been talking about that, I just think it's really important for people to know that like sign language took like 150 years to become valid.

35:52It was a fight forever. Was Braille the same? Yeah, but Braille is really interesting too. So even in the 1970s, when people were like, let's, you know, sign language, sign language, sign language, there was this idea of like, no, people who are deaf should try to read lips and try to learn to talk. Right. Try to be in our world, be in our world, do it our way. We can't participate in your way. So do it our way. And that was the run of course for a long time. Same thing with Braille. A young man named Louis Braille in France was the person who kind of like invented Braille. And there was the first school for the blind.

36:29At that time, people thought if you were blind, you weren't in there. You were dumb. You know, same thing with a lot of deaf individuals. So it's the same assumptions, the same ignorant assumptions made by general society. And it was working. And people were like, there's no way you can read with your finger and write with dots. This is ridiculous. And the kids weren't allowed to use it. any Braille books that they were using the school were kind of taken away. And then at some point, after a lot of like activism, they were like, okay, let's test this. And so, you know, Louis Braille and like one of his classmates, like one of them wrote a word and the other one like read it in front of a huge group of people.

37:04And then they're like, they're lying. They cheated. They can't possibly write. This is exactly what you're going through right now. Yeah. So it happened with sign language, it happened with Braille. So then spelling, I think it was around the 90s, the first thing to come through was facilitated communication, where if you just gave someone a gentle touch and kind of let their body know where they were, help like regulate, that they would point and spell and spell things that often the communication partner had no idea, were able to answer questions that maybe the communication partner didn't know.

37:29There were some awful court cases around sexual abuse and stuff that came to be facilitated communication got thrown out. And I think it's due to these bad practitioners who really weren't trained to be a practitioner. You have to be a trained spelling regulation partner. So what happened. People said, OK, well, let's try to innovate spelling or pointing to letters to communicate without any touch, because clearly that was the issue. And just to make a side note, that's really unfortunate because some individuals need touch. If you're going to communicate through touch and you're better off that way because energetically it's grounding or you can feel your body is, you should do it.

38:01So just even to back that up more, my daughter has no connection to her body. Yeah. She just started pointing. Yeah. But that it's very hard for her. Yeah. And so we put weights on her ankles and weights on her wrists. Yep. So she has an awareness that of her limbs. Yeah. Because otherwise she's, she's, she feels like she's falling still. Like she has no vestibular input. Yep. So that, you know, unless you know, that doesn't make sense. Right. Right. Exactly. So it's just the more, you know, unfortunately. Exactly. So, so, so anyway, I got, I feel sad about that because if someone needs to touch to be, communicate.

38:38Let them be touched. This is ridiculous. Who's right is it to say that? But anyway, there's so many spellers now pointing to letter boards without any touch at all, any touch at all. And I think for some people, it's like confusing because, well, why does someone need to be trained to be a communication regular patient partner? Why can't anyone just sit down with a letter board? Well, it's pretty simple, right? I mean, you need to understand all the things you're talking about that they don't know sometimes where their body's in space or you have to reset or you have an ocular motor situation where you need the board right in front of your eyes and it really is difficult to look down.

39:07You have to learn the motor pathways of pointing before and help someone coach someone. Nope, not there. Keep going. Often just tying the, okay, go get it, go get it. Like your body needs a constant input. And all these individuals are so individual. Right. Yeah. And so trained spelling partners can train, can spell with pretty much anyone. I mean, absolutely. But you have to be trained just like you would have to be trained to, to do sign language to someone. You can't just go do sign language. So that's what people need to realize. It's a regulation partner as much as it's a communication partner.

39:35So anyway, because of all of these, you know, the FC long history and this and this and this, spelling has kind of been damned, you know, and then there were some really awful tests like, okay, let's do a blind message passing test where they put like a non-speaker in one room and like their parent in another room, show the parent something and the non-speaker something. And often they would come in, okay, what did you just see? And they'd write what the parent saw, which is actually validating telepathy. Right? It's really crazy. It's really interesting. so so now what's been fascinating is the scientists who are trying to look at the telepathy they're like we should also figure out like okay let's get these individuals in different rooms to pass a message passing test or to do what to do what do what they need to do to prove that they're in there and it's all all that all that research is going to be coming out in the next year it's exciting unbelievable they've proven it over and over again and the telepathy test that we've been doing as well it also proves author authorship because we'll have a non-speaker or neurotypical person in a room far away, not sharing a wall or anything like that, often across the building from another non-speaker who's going to be communicating.

40:39So anyway, we'll show the cue, like let's say a video. One of the examples was a video of a gorilla coco who learned sign language. So this non-speaker watched a gorilla coco far across in another room. This other non-speaker and the communication partner who had no idea what was just seen or whatever, the non-speaker starts spelling out, you know, it's a hairy primate that is communicating with someone, you know, is very creative and obviously explaining what he saw. Well, that proves authorship as well as telepathy. So, wow, all of I think non-speakers will have they're going to be let out of their prisons.

41:15And I hope spelling becomes a legal reality very soon here and is required in schools and communication regulation partners are paid for by Medicaid and the state and the school board and all that stuff. But it's important for folks to know that this is what we always do with communication that's different. We fight it. We fight it. We fight it. Oh my God, unbelievable. I was so moved and honored to go to Maggie's house. And for context, you know, Maggie's a friend of ours who I sent the podcast to her as soon as I finished it. And she, I mean, she went through it in like 24 hours. I mean, she couldn't sleep, you know, texting.

41:51Did you hear episode text? you just like so and you know she went on your website and saw that you guys were interested in the next step of doing a movie and and she screenshot your response to her and yeah it was just being in any way near a part of that has been like truly such an honor yeah and so when she messaged me and said everyone's gonna they're filming at my house and they're all gonna be here I mean, I was so overwhelmed, so overwhelmed. And Houston's mom is Katie, right? And so I met her, you know, spent time with everybody. And she was so, you know what, you know what really, it broke my heart in a good way is to see how much Libby and Katie are so happy to have people listen to them.

42:37Yeah. And so, I mean, Katie's book is unbelievable. but like when they're, when they meet new people, they just tell story after story after story, because you can tell it's been so many compounded years of being unheard as a parent. And my mom is just like eating this up. You know, this is like my, my mom's always like, I know there's a higher consciousness than I, you know, this is, we know we were really, it was hard for my husband who's raised, you know, in Italy and very Catholic and these kinds of woo-woo-y things can be, you know, the dark side for them. And it has just broken his heart open into a million pieces because now he's, you know, is experiencing this so much.

43:13But I said to Katie, like, I selfishly really want Houston to communicate with Carmoa, like, just because I want to know her. You know, like, I'm just dying to know her. And, but I was like, no pressure or anything. And I feel so stupid that I even said that because I'm sure you get that all the time and whatever. And, you know, I think she wanted that for me too. So then she called me over like a couple hours later and was like, Houston said something about Carmela. And he had said, she's like me and she's a queen looking for her reign. I was like, what does that mean? I was like, I don't know, but she needs to be watching lots of princess stuff and like give her crowns and all.

43:55And I was like, okay, really? Like no problem. So I got her a bunch of crowns and now every morning and they hang on her mirror. Every morning she looks in the mirror and she puts her crowns on. It's so cute. That is really cute. And I think it's probably much more symbolic than that. Well, of course. I'm like, I wonder what this means and what's this tied into what she has experienced before. You know, it was one sentence. I was like, it's definitely not. I was like, this doesn't come down to movies. No. This is a past life. This is a past experience. This could be symbolic of something else.

44:23Yeah. I'm like. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because, you know, there's a lot and a lot of parents and SLP speech language pathologists and communication regulation partners would say this, that like a lot of non-speakers speak in this like almost old English that's often so beautiful and poetic that is so different that it's almost like deciphering it. And I've learned that the long way, the hard way, you know, that that I mean, my guest, having read so many of Houston's writings, as he's probably talking about, like she's a deep purpose. she is exactly yeah she needs to find what her yeah and she's like a queen of a certain domain and it could be something almost invisible that you don't know like it could be a metaphysical thing too but that she has a deep purpose here and it's always felt like that about her too that there's this it's like then it's i also don't want to limit her by being like oh well these kids have a thing yeah she just needs to find her thing right and that's like the first thing people will ask me we're like was she really musical or she really this and i'm like i don't you don't know you don't know yeah and i don't and if she doesn't have a thing it doesn't mean she's less than either totally but there is something that will make her feel seen by other people yeah and she's four right she's a baby i mean like she might not know that thing like until for 10 years 15 whatever like kyle who's in the telepathy tapes he's a non-speaker and he's never even learned to communicate the mom doesn't need to because she's like he comes to me in dreams to communicate telepathically we communicate and she kind of it's like amazing but anyway just a really important part of that story is that she didn't even try music therapy with him until i think he was in his 20s and had no idea he could play an instrument well he could play piano really well he can sing and he's perfect pitch and not only that even though he cannot speak he can like almost download any song and start playing it and singing it it's almost like he's this repertoire of just music then she doesn't know how.

46:14It's remarkable. And we were in England filming him. And he put on a concert where he's singing and playing music. Unbelievable. Yet he cannot speak. And they didn't learn that until he was 20. You know, Houston didn't really start communicating via the letter board until he was 18 or 20. You know, like John Paul, they figured out he's like a great poet when he was 14 or something. And to your point, this idea that like everyone with autism needs to be some sort of savant, it's completely unfair. It's totally unfair. It's not a thing, you know, but I think it is true that every single person with autism is an individual with unbelievable inherent worth.

46:52Mm hmm. It does come down to that. It almost. Yeah. Thank you for saying that, because it is this very interesting, you know, every every individual experience is extremely nuanced. Yeah, it's very layered.

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51:10I remember a friend of mine saying to me after her diagnosis, oh, that's great. She's going to be so smart. And then just moved on. And I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Like, I can never unhear that from you. Yeah. Like it was completely dismissive of everyday struggles. Right. And my fear of her being an adult without me on this. Yeah. I was just like I felt I was like, OK, noted, noted you as a person. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, her heart was probably coming from the right place. But yeah, it's dismissive of the realities of the day to day. Do these stories weigh on you emotionally? I think they have changed.

51:56I mean, I can't not work on this every day of my life right now. So in that regard, I don't feel hopeless. I feel more hope, I think, than there's ever been because there's so many people in acting to do stuff. And that's what's so cool. Like when we were in England, I met this man and he brought Beats, you know, the Beats by Dre to England. So I think he's pretty well connected. And he was just like, I'm going to try to get spelling into England and all of the UK. Like there's three spelling coaches here. And I'm going to, you know, So that was really cool. And it seems like it's being more well-received than that.

52:27Yeah. Right. Oh, sure, sure. Like I met this woman and I don't want to say who she is, but like her husband ran for president a few years ago in the primaries and get too far. But she has an autistic child and was very, very excited to help. And she's been working behind the scenes and really trying to get spelling affirmed. I mean, people are coming out of the woodwork being like, what can I do? What can I do? I know a lot of funders want to try to build like a non-speaking university, which I'm trying to get many of the parents to talk to these funders, try to do something like this. I know of a group of people who are trying to get spelling, a spelling curriculum that embraces the spiritual gifts.

53:03So whether that's the telepathy and mind reading or ESP or precognition or time travel or remote viewing or mediumship, all the things that non-speakers seem to do. Some of the spelling programs are like, do not talk about that. And the teachers are like, but my student wants to talk about that. Yeah. Let's talk about that because it inherently it's there. And that's almost kind of what the genesis of your purpose in this was too, right? Like, why are we here? That inherently obviously becomes very spiritual. And I'm sure that you've come, I'm sure part of your work has been a lot of like near-death experience situations too, right?

53:38That's going to be the premiere of season two is going to be on near-death experiences. And that comes out October 15th. It comes out October 15th. Yeah. Season two comes out October 15th and we are looking into the afterlife and can science can we prove the afterlife and the existence of the soul so if season one looked into telepathy and esp season two looks into like the afterlife and like what consciousness is can you share anything about that yeah it's been a mind-boggling ride and it was you know it's always that thing where it's like how do you keep amplifying this message like where do you go from here right and i feel like that is something that people, most people would be like, like, I'm stopping this conversation right now because that can't, that's not real.

54:22Yeah, which part? Just that there is an afterlife or people having peeks into it and these like near death things. I don't know why we're so, it's so been so obvious to me since I was little that this is a short run, that there's an afterlife, that we're all part of one thing. Well, I think, I mean, telepathy seems even harder to believe, I think for a lot of people, right? Because it can feel like scary and that can be charged with, like you said, like there can be like really unfair like religious connotations that come from like way back when. Well, we used to burn people at the stake. Right, right.

54:55I mean, so it's pretty like a... Right, I mean, well, like even like with the Spanish Inquisition, like they went out and tried to get rid of magical people, you know, like this idea of like second sight or being able to see or hear things that weren't around have always been there, but the church wanted it to be okay. It's okay if it's done within the context of the church. and then it's holy. If it's outside the church, then it's heresy. You know, if a holy man is XYZ talking to their side or has this gift, you know, it should be like sanctified. But if a woman's doing it, it's witchcraft. I mean, it's just like totally unfair.

55:27But I think what's happened, I mean, with the millions and millions of people who've been listening to the Telfly Tapes and like tuning their hearts and opening their minds to this, I think it's left a lot of people, especially where it ends with John Paul's passing and kids knowing that he's still there and knowing it happened. I mean, it just ends. on death and kind of mediumship on the other side. So I felt like that was a natural transition. Yeah. The thing that we were finding is our inbox, yes, it's been flooded with so many parents of non-speakers and other people with autism saying, me too, me too, me too, me too, me too.

55:56But the other was a lot of people that were going through grief, like really abstract grief and being like, this helped me so much. This helped me so much. And I don't fear death anymore. I don't believe there's an end and I actually have hope. And so we were like, wow, this is really interesting because those were the two biggest like email groups. And then the third was like people saying like they had like a spiritual conversion or something. All of stuff. I was just like, okay, scientifically we're looking into telepathy and I think we're going to validate this is real. But like it became bigger than that.

56:23So season two, it's through science and there's a lot of academics and there's a lot of experiences and experiencers. And I don't think you can listen to season two and not then believe that consciousness in whatever form it is survives the body. You know, and that's a question we look into. like does consciousness like is there an informational field just like black holes have an informational field they think where like anything goes back into it like leaves an informational like imprint is that like us like is a medium just talking to like or like downloading the information of this person's life from somewhere or like does a soul actually survive the body and so those are all the things we're looking into which it's going to be a really fun season yeah i was with a girlfriend at lunch yesterday and she's like i just was able to tell people that I get downloads and my work is down and she said it has not it's not me like I these are not my ideas these are downloads we're doing an episode on that too so we're doing an episode on creativity and I don't know if you know Elizabeth Gilbert who wrote Big Magic and she's got this idea that well you know the theory that ideas have their own consciousness and will and they look to find a partner to make them manifest who's probably working hard and has a good attitude and that.

57:38What a beautiful thing. Yeah. They're looking for a partner to manifest. Yeah. It's beautiful. But if you talk to really breakthrough creative ideas, most people will say it came to them. It didn't come from them. And for thousands of years, that's what humans believe. The idea of a muse was something that entered you from somewhere else. And they honored it. Muse-ic. Muse-y-m. It was something the muse made, right? Yeah. And then even the idea of a genius, like that was never a person. it was something that lived in a house historically, right? Like it was like, oh, this house has a genius for music or, you know, and the genius might live in the well or the pond or whatever.

58:13And like the genius for music is now touching their son. Like it wasn't, I'm a genius. Like the Germans decided that, I think in like the 1800s or something. Oh no, I was the genius. There was no genius coming to me. It's from me. That's funny. So we're looking into that by talking to like some creators and authors and writers and it's unbelievable. And there's some unbelievable stories of musicians who will hear a song. Well, yeah, but like even like in a more like modern sense, like a musician who might hear a song and be like, oh, it's a great song, but not write it down. And then like months later, they hear the same song on the radio or an author who like has a total idea for a book, outlines it, puts it aside, might not read it or write it on time.

58:54But then that whole book idea gets transferred to someone else. It becomes like a bestseller. So we're going through all that. It's going to be episode four. Like it's transferred to someone else. So like whatever that idea is, is just like, who's my person? Yeah. And I felt that too. And if it doesn't manifest with someone, it'll go to someone else. Yeah. So we're doing an episode on that in season two. It's episode four. And that's happened to me where I will, like I remember working on a film at one point and I was like, okay, this is a documentary about Sally Ride. Like I was talking to her sister.

59:22I was talking to this. I was talking to both astronauts. I felt so passionate. This is my idea. And then I got distracted or something happened. And then I came back to the idea and I could feel it was stale. I was like, it left me. It went somewhere else. And I'm so certain about it. Unbelievable. And then like two months later, I got the email like, oh, this person's making a documentary about Sally Ride. And I was like, huh, OK, cool. It went and went and found its home. But like you can for me, I can feel it when it's gone stale and has left. It's weird. That is fascinating because it's bigger than idea.

59:49I think it's like it's like the whole energy of whatever is coming through that, like through you, I'll be made manifest and you can feel it taking often like if it's right, all the things will line up. Therefore, right after as well too it makes it easy if it's hard I mean some at Tom Waits is like we talk about this in that episode too how he's like some ideas are just like sipping through a straw some ideas is like pulling like scratching gum off the bottom of the desk you know but but I think the quote-unquote big magic ideas where it feels like a lightning bolt coming from somewhere else it feels very mystical and spiritual and it is you know I wonder what I mean we'll find out another we'll find out when we've gone to the other side, but it's almost like there's these conductors up there that are like, the world needs this right now.

1:00:34You know, it's like, and how that's, it's just so, but this is where it all just comes down to like hope and faith, right? Like when we have these big tragedies, when somebody dies, when you go through grief, you're like, my dad died in front of me, right? And I'm like, God bless him. He was in his seventies. He had a full, beautiful life. but when somebody loses a spouse or when a child dies or these horrible tragedies everything that happens every day if we don't have any sort of hope or faith there's no reason to keep going i think that is true but i think like in our season two of the telepathy tapes i don't i think will show it doesn't just come down to hope and faith like it can be come down from like fact and evidence which is really cool like i think that if yeah i mean hope and faith helps you get through it and start to look at this stuff.

1:01:25But I think what the world needs to know is that a lot of these big questions have been poked at and prodded at and scientifically tested in labs. And there've been QEG scans on people. And like we go through all of this in the next season. And what has typically happened because we live in a materialist paradigm, right? Which is, you know, this idea of that the only things that are real can be measured and observed are physical. That's not true. There is more than a material world and materialism as we've kind of conducted our whole life saying, if it doesn't fit into this, then you're not smart or media is silly if they cover it or academia won't fund it because it's hogwash or woo-woo.

1:02:05There is so much there that the evidence has borne out and peer-reviewed in labs around the world, especially on ESP and telepathy, even mediumship. Like we go into that, like testing it and how do you test it, et cetera. How do you test it? Well, yeah, season two will tell you. But what's fascinating is that the data doesn't get debated. It's the person bringing it forward. You know, it'll be, oh, we're going to attack this person. This person must be crazy or they must be fraudulent or they must be this. And that's not fair. Why do you think we do that? I think it's based on materialism. I do.

1:02:39And I think hopefully we're starting to break that, you know, and many more scientists are having more post-materialist methodology, which and that's not it's not saying that you're throwing out chemistry and biology and physics and psychology and all that stuff. Those are multiple things to be true at once. And that's what I think people have a hard time with. And those things are all true. I think the thing about materialism is it said that like the basis of everything was physical. And from there we had biology and physics and, you know, psychology and extraordinary on the tippy top was consciousness.

1:03:04And we don't know where it comes from. We don't know what it is. We don't know why it's here. And that's pretty inconvenient. You know, but if I think a lot of the post materialist scientists and thinkers are saying, well, all these other layers are true physics, biology, this and that. But consciousness is the foundation of everything. Thoughts always came first. Consciousness came first and everything else came from it. And if that is the way of looking at the world, then things like ESP and survival of consciousness and telepathy and precognition makes total makes perfect sense. It works because everything is thought and consciousness.

1:03:38I like what you said on Joe Rogan where you said, yes, this is a physical room, but the idea of the room was there first. Right. It's such a simple way to explain it. Right. I really think everything around us, this tree, the sofa, someone thought of it first. It was a thought before it came a thing. The only thing that's not true of is the actual earth we're standing on. But how do we know someone didn't think of that first? That could be God's thought. Right. So so but anything in our world was a thought first. How has what you were exploring alone in your room and reading before any of this came to be in your idea of consciousness, like has anything, has there been anything that's changed that along this journey or are you just like, like, this is all just so validating?

1:04:30I think it's all changed for me. I mean, I didn't I had never like ever once gone to see a medium or a psychic. I didn't believe rocks had powers. I certainly didn't believe in telepathy. Like none of that stuff. Like I didn't I was not. woo-woo. I was very, I mean, I think I would say I was like a very scientific, skeptical person. I read all nonfiction. I would, I loved reading like scientific journals and I, you know, Wired and like Netgeo. Like that was my non, like most people go to the beach with a like fun book and I would bring like a biography of, you know, like it was just, that was my life.

1:05:02And so looking into telepathy was totally off of my beaten path. Like I think anyone would, when I, they heard I was working on this, they're like, whoa, she's gone off the deep end. Like, this is totally what happened like that's not her and but it was really validating because I think I went through it in a way that was trying to be really cautious and skeptical you're the perfect person to do this coming from maybe yeah you really are because if you had been that kind of person it'd be not like me who like talks to her medium once a week you know they'd be like yeah Pia's over there doing her thing yeah yeah but you also speak so eloquently on the podcast you speak matter-of-factly and you speak with data and you speak in a way that makes it incredibly digestible.

1:05:46Like you truly are the perfect person to deliver the information. Thank you. Because there's a stoicness about you that allows it to be received very well. Yeah. Okay, cool. That's good to know. And I think that we're in season two, like, you know, these are all things that I had previously dismissed. But once I've seen now the telepathy with my own eyes, now that other scientists are seeing it, testing it and validating it it's like and i that's how i start season two it's like yeah that just make you sit up like if we're proving telepathy is real then what else have we dismissed and what else can we look into great question and so that's kind of what we do start to look into is like okay well can you test mediumship has there been qegs on this how do they compare to one another have they done triple blind tests on people like how does it bear out and and or like near-death experiences like Like, what do archaeological records tell us about near-death experiences going back 5 ,000 years to like ancient Sumir and Egypt and Native America and Mayan communities?

1:06:43And like, are they all similar? And how do they track? Are they similar? Yes. Of course, there must be a common element. Of course. And so all of that is season two. It's going to be really, I think, exciting. And for me, that was validating because I feel like now after doing a deep dive, not a mini dive, like with experts and scientists and archaeologists and really informed people on the front lines of researching and understanding this stuff all over the world. I walked away from creating season two thinking, OK, we have a soul. Our consciousness survives death. Telepathy and ESP and that type of thing are real.

1:07:15And it's because consciousness is the foundation. And by the way, none of this is new. If you go talk to native communities and even like, I think, tribes in different, like we talk to people from the Lakota Nation. We talk to people in Colombia, like elders from just, we cover a lot of ground. And when you start talking to a lot of these, you know, cultures or communities who've kept their beliefs ongoing for 5 ,000 years and haven't kind of fallen into like the Western way of doing things. None of this stuff is new. None of this is groundbreaking. This is part and parcel of survival. yes esp and telepathy and commuting with ancestors and that type of thing that is duh that's part of the human experience we've just forgotten and we've ridiculed it and mocked it to think that if you dare talk about that you're silly you're uninformed you're uneducated and the truth is those people doing that are dogmatic fundamentalists who are uneducated truly they've they've put themselves in a cloak of scientism and science is great but not great if you just shut off every other question and and i think these beautiful parts of what make us truly human, which is a deep connection to what can't be seen.

1:08:21Oh, I mean, what a gift. Thank you so much. Of course. And God bless you for doing this. And I know how hard this is financially and your time. I mean, people who do this type of work, you know, nobody's paying you and you, it's hard and you have to advocate and you have to raise money and you have to organize. I can't imagine the level of organization. I mean, even just the people that were at Maggie's house that day. I mean, what you're putting together is unbelievable and it's life-changing. Thank you. Good for you, truly. And let's look forward to it. The film comes out next year, early next year, and season two comes out October 15th.

1:08:58Amazing. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so much. Of course.

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