Sicily Recap with Davide!

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0:14Hi Davide. Hello everyone. Guys, we're recording this alfresco at our house right now. I love it. New format, you know, you have these little cicadas. they're not cicadas they are um oh my god oh they're crickets how do you say grillo grillo grillo grillo grillo grillo i love that one that just goes these are very gentle lovely night sounds they are beautiful gentle lovely night sounds when we were in Sicily I was binging for some reason which for the one listening there might not be muscles but the difference between the way we make them versus the way mussels usually are, which is more on the French side.

1:20Which I also like, give me a creamy, buttery, buttery, mussels with some fries and a martini. And I love when you bite into a garlic or an onion, something that is so acidic and juxtaposes the creaminess of the sauce. We make them more on a light sauce, either just lemon, olive oil, pepper, parsley, garlic and red or chili pepper, or with a lovely tomato sauce, more like a zuppa, which is the way my wife made them tonight. And they were a 10. 10 out of 10. I'd like to say... You have great intuition when you cook. Okay. So Davide's giving me a lot of credit for the cod say, but he is what slam dunked them.

2:18But I gave you that, you know, next time you can go on your own. I wish I watched you more of what you did. I mean, I know what you did. He cleaned each of them individually, incredibly enthusiastically and with a lot of vigor. And then he put them in a pan with olive oil, garlic, white wine. Parsley. Parsley. How do you call the legs of a parsley? Stems. Parsley stems only because that's where the taste is. Once the sofrito gets hit, then you put some white wine. then you put the the muscles and you cover them for like two minutes only one didn't open huh? I got them from McCall's in Atwater and then I made you know after that you filter them you leave the because the muscles are going to release still some liquids while they open so you strain that with a very tight strainer and you leave it on a bowl you leave this beautiful golden juice and you leave the mussel on top of course of a strainer and then and then I did olive oil, garlic a red pepper a can of tomatoes, whole tomatoes but I crushed the tomatoes with my hands as I put them in and then we let it cook down and then we added the liquid from Davide's.

4:02A little by little, you let this peeled tomatoes sauce and reduce a little bit. And then we added in the liquid. You put the mussel back in. And then we put the mussels back in. High heat, high fire, high flame. And then you put this golden juice, you toast some bread. Obviously salt the sauce. Some parsley at the end. Lots of parsley. and then we had it with some old bread that we toasted with lemon on top it was fucking ridiculous i got i got caught a lot while we were there and there were a bottle of white wine there were i think that was kind of an important bottle of wine and i didn't even i don't i only had one glass i will hide this bottle because i'm afraid that your mom is i know she's my saving it She gets these ideas That she wants to see Can I Before we get into Before we get into Let's see how much Before we put this live But she doesn't My mom doesn't So what Davide is referring to So my mom Does My mom For some reason Has just this like Unbelievable scarcity mindset No This This fucking This This wine is$20 Who's an exception $20 bottle of wine.

5:18The retail typically runs$15.99. It was a great wine. It's fabulous. My mom's been sitting on it. It's a Riesling. It's the Pierre Spa Riesling. Great label, great bottle. It looks very important. It felt very fancy. My mom. It's a great$20 bottle. My mom, before we got married, my mom had, and she does this a lot. Well, she'll like, find a bottle of something or someone will give her a bottle of something. and she's like, I'm saving it for a special moment. I'm saving it for a special moment. I'm like, okay, don't touch this bottle because we're saving it for a special moment. Here I am, 2019.

5:56We are celebrating our wedding. Full wedding at this house. And I am. I am very happy. It's 3 a.m. But also, by the way, I am drunk. It's our wedding night. But it also, and this is just like unfortunate planning. It's all we could do. and this is the however what i'm what this is our seventh wedding anniversary of our like second wedding we got married on august 10th david's birthday is august 11th so it was his birthday at fucking midnight yeah so i'm celebrating and he's going to my birthday so then like we bring out a birthday cake for him evan funky's the chef at our wedding he's bringing out fucking pizza there's Nutella everywhere.

6:38We're celebrating. And we turned the garage into a makeshift kitchen and Davide goes into the refrigerator and he finds this bottle of Dom that my mom had been saving. It's a magnum. That literally said, for an important moment, Davide grabbed it. It didn't have a post-it on it. And was like, what could be a more important moment than her daughter's wedding? and I started drinking I was drinking it's iconic photos and we're like yes and then my mom literally is like and I'm holding it like a baby and she's like that was for an important moment almost mad she was mad low key mad I look at her I'm like name an important moment mom name a more more important moment you know we love to troll her with that story oh my god anyway so So in honor of Davide's birthday and to reminisce of our wonderful trip, I don't, you know, everybody, everyone's response to us being in Italy and messages are always, don't you want to move there?

7:52Don't you want to move there? Like, guys, we're on vacation. Everyone's like, you look so happy. I'm like, yeah, I'm not working right now. It's mental. Like, but we were having the best time because we were on vacation. I'm very lucky that I come home and I share this house with you and we live for as much as we work and as busy as we are and how much stress we have. You and I relax and cook and do home. By the way, this is whether or not this is this house or my adorable tiny apartment in Venice, which I felt the same energy there. You and I together. I love that bedroom. My rented bedroom in Brooklyn.

8:33You made me feel that way there. You cook. I think there is. There's music. There's always a beautiful vibe happening. And so I have no problem transitioning back home because. Yeah, there is something to say about in a place in life where you feel you are at the right place and. When timing is the right timing. I love what you just said. I think it wasn't necessarily, I don't feel the urge to, besides the people I got up answered to our work or people I work with or people that I am in business with, I don't have any sort of urge to justify or to explain anything to anybody, which I feel already pretty blessed and lucky place to be.

9:30So getting into the trip, I think saying that we love mobility is really like the thesis of a Barentini vacation because we don't ever stay in one place for more than five nights. It's usually an average of three or four, sometimes two. it's getting harder with two kids yeah man this trip was

10:00Carlo was yeah it was just cause Carlo's entering his terrible too so we were just dealing with like but for every time he would be opinionated which honestly was like he was really not that bad the last two nights I agree he was tired the last two nights he was he was he was bad on the way back he was he was done with it he was so good on the plane too like he was like we really did so good that the last night and i was really upset that it was this night that he was so bad because we were with people who are really important to us and like nonna lydia and margarita and tomaso and like everybody who we do the olive oil with and they love him and they want to see him and they're they're like family to us so they kept wanting to like take him and walk around with him and he was yelling like no at them and i was so like oh it was just it was out of character for him and i it felt sad to see them like rejected by carlo when they wanted to like connect with him so much but he was exhausted so i mean basically I have a long time I had to connect.

11:13Yes. So basically every trip we land in Catania and we fly out of Palermo. And we stay close to Davide's family. And part of the reason why we rip around a lot is we're trying to figure out where we want to buy a place. And our goal in the next... I'm also trying to figure out, sorry if I interrupted you, an ideal scenario with two kids that love spaces and love the water. Every town is so different. Every beach is so different. Every beach club. You know, maybe we love a square, but we don't love the beach town associated with the square. Like there's a lot of particular. I mean, literally, we're always like we talked about this, too, the other night, like all of our favorite squares we've been to.

12:04like in all of italy because each square has a vibe and some squares are more active than others and it's like your square is like the pulse and the heartbeat of the town that you're in and same thing with the beaches right it's like some beaches are really rocky it's inappropriate for kids and i wouldn't want to recommend that for people to come some beaches are some of them is just pure logistic yeah so we started the trip on davide's side of the island we landed in catania I want to talk about your brothers taking Carlo to play soccer we had a great time we had a great time I'm very happy I'm happy to talk about it I'm happy to have the opportunity to talk about it thank you for having me again and I watched Odyssey last night so I kind of feel a little bit like Ulisse right now talking about my Ithaca yeah we landed in Catania the first night we met with my family we stay in taormina which is of all of the city on on the coast i was born in probably the most served fair to say you know so so it offers a little better services uh and it's pretty it's very pretty it's nice to wake up in the morning and walk in the course so but at night we go closer to my hometown and you know we met my father and my brothers and we had a great meal and my brother was playing Carlo and Ricardo phone each other I've never Ricardo was having a great time I've never seen there's a video that's so natural the kid speaks these two they phone each other like a soul mate Carlo was so giggly I have never seen him i was eating dinner and it's so nice when your family's there because they just keep taking him away and he remember i have a video where i'm like crying laughing because he's bouncing carlo and then he would stop bouncing and carlos we are having dinner in this little trattoria and uh the the the trattoria is the church and a square which sounds like such a cliche and Ricardo of course first night he wanted to impress the kids so he got a soccer ball so first you know they're breaking eyes they're trying to figure out each other Carmela is being an angel with my brother Alessandro they energy wise they really like each other so Alessandro is staging her hair is feeding her this pastel burro for like she didn't want to eat that night Ricardo is playing with Carlo and Ricardo walks back in with this walker ball and he's like oh and he's like that's like this with his head then it's like I'm like what why are you shaking your head and he look at me he's like he doesn't have it he's talking about the passion for soccer talking about talent it's okay it doesn't have it like you just met the kid he's two he learned to walk like literally you look at me shake his head it's like listen he's a nice kid he doesn't have carlo i mean davide and his brother ricardo were absolute soccer freaks slept with soccer balls in their beds so does gordo he's just a soccer ball but i was like davide i was like davide he's two he doesn't know and david is like by two i was back in ripping kicking this ball up and down I think it goes with...

15:45But also you grew up seeing other kids playing soccer. I think it goes... One thing I love about talking about Sicily and talking about this trip is to talk about the nature of certain things. Sicilians are, I might need to put myself in that category, of course, a little bit absolutist, you know, in their way to see life and is an island of big feelings. so Ricardo just he felt like this kid now is going to play doesn't matter but you Davide and his brother were very good soccer players Davide played professionally and so you know it's kind of like this thing for sure we both but it was very funny I was fucking dying I was like how did you we come from a culture of how did you know that my father was my uncle was a soccer player my uncle was actually the only one that they made was a cousin of my father actually married to the irelig but uh that being said it's so funny that we started the story with started a trip with this dinner because it was one of the lightest moment that we have we had in this vacation lightest might not be the right term was it was a very happy time for a moment i felt like you know you know i think my mom was the ring that kind of put everything together and having you there and the kids it's almost a few guys uh where the ring that my mom used to be and you know i'm sad eva wasn't there eva wasn't there franceschino was there my father was there and everybody was there we had a great time so we started it we kick it that way we started the trip that way by the way that restaurant was where Davide proposed the first time Davide took me to that restaurant that's right he called my dad outside of the restaurant you were so funny about that trip because you kept like telling me you were going to propose to me and then I was like did you I wasn't telling you that I wasn't proposing I mean about every index or every indicator I thought indication was that I was going to do it.

18:03I was just very nervous. But he kept, he wasn't acting like himself. And so we went to dinner at that restaurant, I think just you and I, and I asked. No, you, we were with a couple of friends. Oh, we were with all your friends. But I, somehow it came up and you basically said, yes, I'm going to propose to Pia. And I said, did you ask my dad? No, but it wasn't that way. No, it didn't happen that way. I'm talking to them in Italian about it. and I think you had a sense of that and and then I went outside because your father called me I went outside and I had a talk with your father and I walked back in and you asked me like what do you guys talk about?

18:42I told you later Is that how that happened? That what he was there I remember being inside the restaurant and watching you pacing in front of the church and you were on the phone with him Yeah because I called him didn't pick up then he called me back and it's dinner time where we are so like okay starting his day and i and i asked him that yeah so cute he was so happy i remember someone i remember they call my coach you know good evening good morning coach coach you know what i think i'm gonna propose it to your daughter and he said to me something like i couldn't be more happy and you got my like all around like you got my approval so many like i love you anyway without turning down the but but that yeah it was there so so also another thing i think that we love about sicily going back with the kids there is this re there is this you know we re-walk that path that we went through during the trip and now we do it with our kids that are the result of us loving each other a nice moment there's a lot of these nice moments that we have where we're you know we go to the same places all the time and we'll reminisce about you know time is fucking passing right so we're just like holy shit like look at us now we're i mean being back there with two last year carlo was was one and like you know it was yeah just seeing him now was like a little formed man there to like familiarity they remember that or if they they they you know sometimes we go to places like oh last year they loved it and you know with Carmela like she's such of a feeling based person that we just tried literally during the entire trip to make them happy, make them both comfortable and happy and feeling their familiar feeling you know

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23:35It is also a trip for us where we are obviously focused around going to beaches where they can rip all day because so many beaches are rocky. True. And so... Yeah, landscape-wise, we need something friendly. So we started from Taormina. And we do Taormina because there are so many great Lidos and beaches right there. And Lido La Pena is this very happy place, family-owned and run. And the beach is very nice and contained and she can't really you know the kids can really go it's very friendly it's very very nice and and i love to stay there all day with this this very uh this nice apartment close to the course so termina was a very happy moment for us some friends came one night to see us and i i brought this up to somebody recently because obviously if you've never been it's something to point out but if you're you know if you go to Italy specifically and you're not at a hotel that has a beach Italy is full of Litos and you have to call and you book your chairs some of them require that some especially I mean it's a nice season yeah it's fucking packed packed packed packed some of them answer on the phone some of them answer some don't if they don't answer on the phone WhatsApp them they'll likely text you Some of them don't have the tower.

25:12Yes, some places don't have towers. Some places do have towers. They all have different. Some places have a convenient parking next to it. Some of them don't have a convenient parking next to it. No parking. A lot of stairs. Or you got to walk 20 minutes to the... And a lot of these places, obviously, you have service to your chairs. And most of them don't have. And you can eat. But what I love about certain Litos, and most of them, I would say, the average, is the process of like getting there, unpacking swimming, and then going and sitting down at the restaurant for lunch. I like that too. And I love sitting down at the, you know.

25:48You cool down a little bit and you have a nice meal. You sit down, you slow down, you get out of the sun for a second because it's hot as fucking shit. And it's good, especially with kids. You can't just have that sun meeting up. And then you're full and then everybody takes a nap on the beach in your chairs. By the way. With someone next to the next chair. You've started, you know, talking about things. The communal, like, napping. The communal napping culture. Somebody has to stay up while you guys napping. But I enjoy it to see you. No, we took turns. You got naps in, too. Did I? Yeah. For sure.

26:31I have photos. I don't remember napping on the beach. But also, Carlo wants to nap on me. that's what i say you're a little bit of the mom the mom ship you know you have all of them together but i know but i will say in general like we went that time we went to tonight they're really putting an f for airplane oh well no i'm saying but in general the way like napping culture so like i find it's a real thing once you yeah i find sleeping obviously to be so intimate and what was it like three or four summers ago when we went to the cuccinelli's house and like swam and had lunch and then we all went back to the pool just like but then like everybody fell asleep yeah it's a common it's a really common thing and i was like oh my god like napping next to like carolina's mother felt like very cozy and sweet and intimate but it also felt very personal all everyone just like yeah we don't see nestles in for their nap it's it's more of a especially in the summer you know like the beach guy would nap they would take turn and some of them yeah it's adorable it's like a beautiful thing it's it's a thing yeah it it kind of pays this the the day in a very nice way actually the nap somebody once said to me the nap is like a pause of of a jazz musician you know like certain people understood the value of pauses that's a very romantic way to put it but you know it kind of tempo your day in a very nice way because you you you rush in the morning you want to get to the beach and get your meal and get everybody's in everybody's happy then you cool down then you eat then you're digesting and then you start again the second phase of the day you know yeah because then you swim again and then it's habitative time you gotta go home and shower.

28:28A lot of people were asking about what the sleep schedule is for the kids. So I'm going to break this down. So when we, so the, the plane there, we wake up really early. It's a 6am flight to New York. We all sleep on that plane. Then we land in New York. We, it's a two 30, but we pretend like that's like dinner because then essentially we're taking the red eye and we land in the morning. So they eat dinner there. We get on the plane. Everybody gets melatonin everybody sleeps that whole flight we wake up in the morning we rent cars we rent cars that have car seats i remember still and if he sounds tight it actually is tight as a schedule like we're trying to yeah we're trying to put all these pieces together because it works because and then you go to bed that night at like and there's no the kids obviously can take naps adults are not napping obviously then you go to bed at night at like you know nine or ten and then and then we're on and then literally like we don't have any issues so I remember Sylvia telling me Sylvia who is like one of our close friends who is from Sicily and like does the olive oil with us and I remember asking her a long time ago I was like so what was your summer schedule and And it's literally now this is this.

29:50So this is our summer schedule. She was like, this is it. So because I remember being like, wow, everyone's out so late. And this is all over Italy. This is no matter where you and this is all over Spain and France. This is normal places. People are out. Wake up. So you wake up. She would say you wake up around 10. So we would wake up or if we were at a hotel, we were rushing to get down there for breakfast in the morning because I wanted to make sure the kids had like a big breakfast. So I sometimes I would take just Carlo because Carmela is a sleeper and I would bring a plate back up for her to have bright, but whatever.

30:22It was like a struggle to make sure that we were making like a 10 a.m., 1030 breakfast every morning. So we'd sleep until 10, 1030. You and I maybe sometimes would wake up at nine and then go to the beach, do whatever. I mean, you know, we obviously went to the cemetery. We saw your mom. I can't believe we ran into your dad at the cemetery. We haven't even talked about that in general offline off this podcast. It was just fucking heartbreaking to pull up and be like, oh, my God, he's here. It's just like I didn't even have to call him. I knew he would have been there. And then God bless him. And then lunch is usually around 1 p.m.

31:001.30. Carlos nap. My goal would be 3.30, 4.30. Anytime in there. He needed to get it was a late afternoon nap and he needed to get a shit ton of fucking sleep in otherwise we were fucked for dinner yep and then dinner every night would be anywhere between and by the way carlo reaction on not having a nap wasn't he just in a great mood like like when he doesn't have a nap he's surprisingly energetic yeah in body maybe he has a little tolerance he's a little bit crumpy at this is the moment but he's very active like it's almost like he wants to push that tiredness he's proving proving it yeah he wants to prove you that he's fine dinner would be between you know we'd have aperitivo the kids loved chips and peanuts and olives at aperitivo they were drinking so much juice which is so cute and then they don't really have juice here that much and then dinner would be anywhere between eight and 9.30.

32:09Then obviously we'd walk the Corso. We'd get Carlo now knows anytime he sees a gelato place to stand in front of it and scream gelato, gelato, gelato. And then we go to bed anywhere between like 10 and 1 in the morning. And then we would do it all over again. Pretty much. You can see that's kind of the schedule that everybody. We create a pattern. So from Taormina, we spend there four days. We had a great time. I think that's as long as I think we did there five nights, actually. You're right. Then we went to, we moved from there to Siracusa. Which is just beautiful. Which is adorable. Lovely town.

32:52I combined in the town a visit to one of my best friends, Massimo. I work one day there. We shot some product. Massimo is magnificent. and he has a jewelry brand and he made my wedding ring. And Santino, Carmela, Godfather, literally drew from... He drew from Milan to Calabria. He drew from Milano. All the way down, he stopped in Calabria, picked up his wife, came to spend a night and a morning with us. So a quick stop in Syracuse, Ortigia area, two days, Fontana e Bianca. By the way... We went to eat one of our favorite spots. This is how loyal, I just want to say, watching you and your male friendships is really, really beautiful.

33:47And there is something beyond beautiful about the fact that it's so not a big deal for like that Santo is going to drive. How long is the drive from Milan to Calabria? Eight hours? No, it's 13 hours. Fuck. And then obviously Calabria to Sicily. Then you take the ferry over. Then, you know, it's like there was no question in his mind that he wasn't going to do that because Carmela's his goddaughter and he's obsessed with her and he loves us. And I think that... From Milano to Catania. It's like if you are in Los Angeles and you're going to America and you're in Aspen. Yeah, you drive to Colorado.

34:31So I drive to Aspen to have dinner, breakfast, and lunch with you. Anyway, back to the itinerary. That area is beautiful. And of course, we link it to a special person. But it's exceptionally beautiful. I say that, correct me, like every part we visit in Sicily is somehow networked to or linked to a person we love or a place we love or we kind of map the city. Cefalu is the only place that we... Cefalu is. and we've been there a few times logistically it's in the middle of two places Cefalu is a good break between the two posts it's a good in the middle land I will say Cefalu is so beautiful it's adorable Cefalu was fucking packed Cefalu and it's by the way it's a postcard By the way, Newport Beach right now is fucking packed.

35:32I mean, it's summer break, so I totally get it. But Cefalu is... It's a postcard. It's a postcard. It's a town that makes... Logistically, Cefalu makes no sense because it's a town building on a hill that goes down to the water, a little bit like Tormina, but it's slightly different. And the center of the town is... It's a joke. it's this port then opened so at night people are swimming it's a postcard it really is it really is a postcard so we from actually from Syracuse we went to Favignana so we drove to Trapani we moved to the other coast drove to Trapani parked the car this is not something that normal people would do with your kids a little charter little boat that brought us to Favignana which is an adorable adorable little island i love it part of the island with marittimo and levan so it's adorable i'm gonna give you guys island advice right now because we have been to all of them all the aeolian islands aeolian and aegadi we've been Not to all the islands, but to a good part of it.

36:53A good part of them. We went with two other couples and kids one time to Pantellaria. There's no beaches on Pantellaria. No. Pantellaria is a boat place. So, just so you guys know, if you open your phone and everyone's like, they are only an island, and you want to go there with kids, there's a likely chance that these places... Panarea. Panarilla we're also Panarilla this it's got to think about what you want to do with your kids listen an island by definition is a place you got to think about it because because an island by definition is a piece of land and a water you'd think would be 360 degrees fucking beach not super easy to reach it's not it's not super easy to navigate so also the Aeolian islands are far Famigna is the perfect example of that But it was a lovely visit.

37:52Does Capri even have a beach?

37:58Capri doesn't have a beach. I mean, I don't think so. No, besides that, I don't think so. No, it does have, but they're not beach. There are good places where you can go on a beach, but it's a rocky... Yeah, they're big rocks. like you have to jump it's not beach for the kids not a beach the way no not a beach the way Sicilia has it's also different different builders so Favignana has Favignana has a lovely lots of beaches and lots of Lido lovely beaches you know that we it's like our our routine is like lock in with a Lido lock in Lido pretty much is where we stay with Lido boss where we go to the to the Lido and we eat at night they know our name day two they then Davide like locks in he finds out who who Lidl Boss is he gets chummy with him then there then they got inside jokes and then next day we got our fucking chairs we want and then it's good for the kids because then it's like we need more water I mean there's the bathroom and we need to think it's all about being nice and respectful of you know of whoever role is in the place it's beautiful and then we know the wife by day two day three we know day two we were locked in with Fede by the end of day two Carlos Chauer got seeing all the fucking Lido boys by the way if you're young and single you need to be sleeping with these Lido boys can you imagine being did you do that job growing up I didn't I didn't want to say you must have hooked up with girls who were on vacation in Sicily when you were growing up Where were they mostly from?

39:46Northern Italy or all over the world? Northern of Europe, mostly. Like Germany? Yeah, big German. Are you speaking new German? No, nine. Where else were people, when you were growing up, where else were the tourists from? No, mostly like... France? Yeah, French, German. Were there Australians like there are now? No. no that's a new thing I can't believe how far the Australians travel to go to Italy not only but specifically Australians lately I've been with the Australians people spending a lot of time with the Australians people not only how of course generally speaking willing they are to travel the travelers how willing they are to get to a culture and And really understanding and appreciating it.

40:49And a lot of Australians people that I know that are extremely successful really knows how to capture that and how to business around that. But no, no, no, we didn't have a lot of Australians. Some Americans, but not as many. I adjusted the volume on your microphone. because sometimes you talk like this, you get really close and it gets loud. Yeah, I wanted to understand.

41:20Yeah, I was one of those bandits walking around very little in my pocket. God, summer romances. I was as, I was that. I had so, I loved my summer romances.