The Makeup Artist Who Built a Beauty Empire: Gucci Westman

29:05Advertising is a reward for all the editorial you do. Okay. So your photographer typically will reward you with advertising. So that's, you know, that's the team's work in that way a lot. But now that it's changed so much, like you said, there's just different. Everything is so much more immediate. You don't have the budgets. You don't have the time. You There's just, it's not the special spark is not there anymore. Everyone's also just a little jaded because there is so much content. And you're just like, I can't see anymore. Celebrities weren't on a phone. So having a cover or an editorial, like that's really all you saw of them, right?

29:47It wasn't like they were putting out content on the internet every day. No. It was a big deal to have those images come out. And waiting three months. and just was the anticipation and just all of the effort and work that goes into preparing something like that. You know, and everyone does their research and everyone shows up with ideas. And sometimes you don't get to kind of do the, execute those ideas. But when you do, it's so fun. Was it nerve wracking for you? Because, you know, being on the hair and makeup team, it's so personal. Yeah, yeah. A centimeter away from someone's face. And ultimately, there's something about sitting in a chair where there's so much vulnerability and so much honesty.

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34:59So was there anyone, celebrities in particular, that you were like nervous to work on? And were Were there any people that, I mean, do you have any like stories of people you were surprised like what they shared with you? You've said some stuff about Britney Spears that I thought was really funny. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Well, the first time I worked with her was for a cover of Vogue. She was lying on the flag. So it got a lot of attention on top of the American flag. That was post-September 11th, right? Do you? No, I think it was pre. Oh, was it? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty sure it was pre 2000. I can't remember.

35:39Yeah. She, she opened up about not being sure about her boyfriend and I was like, okay, I didn't even say anything. It's just, it's true. You stand there and you're, you become this kind of like, just tell me. Yeah. I mean, you have like, you probably have like. I have some stories, but you know, I, I guess I wouldn't have done this this long if I wasn't discreet. Of course. And who were you most nervous to meet? Muhammad Ali. Is that weird? No, not weird. He made me the most kind of starstruck and he drew me a picture. No. Yeah. You still have it, I'm sure. Yeah. Wow. I was kind of like, what are you doing?

36:25But he was at that point, he was a little bit, you know, with his disease. I mean, a lot. And he still, his brain was completely razor sharp, but he couldn't speak, you know, as quickly. So it was, it must have been so challenging for him, but it was incredible to meet. And just, you know, his legacy, his, you know, that was really incredible. Who else? I mean, Meryl Streep, I was nervous to meet. Yeah, that would make me lose my mind. I did her for a W cover and she was just delightful. She just sat down in the chair and closed her eyes the entire time. I didn't even not know what I was doing at all.

37:07So at the end, I just had to kind of like hope that it was good. And then I saw her most recently doing press for the Devil Wears product too. I was working with Anne Hathaway and I reminded her of the cover we did. And she's like, I like those images. She's an icon, legend, just my favorite actress. She came in, I worked at a store once and she came in with her daughter and like sat on the couch and like watched them shop. And I was, and she was just lovely and sweet. She's so close with her. I see her drive around Pasadena. She drives down La Loma in her G-Wagon. And it's the coolest. She has a G-Wagon.

37:48I sort of wanted one, but then my son shut it down. I think it's very cool. You said it's too douchey. No, you know what? You know who drives one? Remember how chic Laura Vassar's mother is? Is she? I can imagine. Before she would be at the shows. She's beautiful. She reminds me a lot of you. She's like a beautiful American classic beauty. And a lot of her, I think a lot of Brock was like really inspired from the mom. Really? Yeah, you'll walk into her house and it's like, she's in like a skirt made of tapestry. And it's just, but it's like, there's nothing fussy about it. And she always has a cool G-Wagon.

38:24And the juxtaposition of her being this like really beautiful, grounded, earthy, chic, elevated woman in this like cool, rich car. I think it's like fucking awesome. No way. What color? It's all about the color. I think right now we bought one of our old, I have one of their old cars because one of their old G-Wagons that my mom drives around in and my mom is beautiful. And I can imagine. She looks like, but she looks like a Nancy Meyers character. She has like gray hair and she's 75. and I think it looks, it's like a, it's like the color of the small, it's like a dusty gray blue. That's the one I, I love.

38:57There's a, there's a greenish gray. The green one is so cool. Like the putty one. No, you would look so chic in that thing. That's the one I wanted. And my son was like, no. I was like, why not? No, we can't let the douchebags own G-wagons. Cool people can drive them too. Oh, see. I, yeah. Okay, maybe the next one. No, I think it's cool. I think it's cool too. Okay. Now I feel. I think like an elegant little, like a small woman in like a big truck is also really cool. How about a Hummer? Just like a giant. I know. Okay. Getting back on track. I want to know at what point you started working for Lancome and how that started, because it's really, I mean, that was, was that in your plan at the time?

39:41No, I had no idea. I feel like that was one of the first times that a major brand like that had like brought on someone who was actively in the industry. Yeah, that, so I actually didn't quite understand how lucky I was to get a contract like that. And for me, my, all I wanted to do was the work with Grace, with Vogue, with, you know, I didn't want to take myself away from any of that. And the idea of missing out on those covers and those shoots, just brutal because they, you know, the industry, it's, it's sort of, you know, you get replaced. I was going to say you probably felt like you were going to get replaced.

40:22And so I, it took me some convincing, but then I understood that it was a good thing to do. My agent was kind of like, what is wrong with you? And so I, I'm, you know, what year was this? 2002, maybe I want to say. And you were their artistic director? Global Artistic Director. And I actually super enjoyed my time there. It was delightful and really informative for, you know, what I, what I then carried over. I traveled a lot. My contract was actually out of, it was sort of strange the way it was set up, but it was to be, I had to be more in Europe than in America. Oh, wow. So that was crazy. So I was in Paris or London every two weeks.

41:17It's astonishing. The first year I was supposed to have 30 days. I had 60 days. I went to Japan many times. Do you have kids at this time? Not yet. Not yet. I had my son, I think Like you're four. Wow. Or you're three or something like that. Oh, that looks comfy. Yeah. Oh, my jeans are too tight. Mine are like riding up. I'm like, let's get comfy here. Pia, I bet your house is really cozy. It is. Thank you. That's a nice assumption. I definitely can imagine. There's a lot of, there's kids and dogs everywhere. Just like us. We have so many dogs and animals. How many dogs do you have? Three. We have three dogs.

41:59Yeah. We have another one all the time. There's something wrong with me. I almost pulled another dog out of the shelter the other day, but I was like, I'm out of town this weekend and we have big dogs and sometimes they fight. And I was like, this is dangerous. I can't like bring another bulldog into this. Yeah. We have two big dogs and a small dog. I need a small dog. So you can travel with them. I want to bring it around. Yeah. Do you feel bad leaving the big ones at home and they get to see the small one leave? I thought about that. I thought it's kind of mean. It is mean. It's super mean. It's okay.

42:31No, what are you going to do? Well, what was it like being a Lancome? You're right. Was it just being like pregnant and having because you're also doing editorials? Yeah. And you're in Europe every two weeks. Yeah, that that became a little bit complicated. So when I my son Dash is 19 now when he was. Yeah. When he was two months old, I they wanted me to. I had to book my flight the day he turned two months because then I was allowed to fly with him so we did a press junket in at hotel de cap chic i stay there for a week my mom and i got to stay that was then when they only took cash oh my gosh she was helping me right and and you were two months postpartum yeah oh and i was really struggling breastfeeding was so hard it's so hard i remember i had my breast pump like blew up so they had to get one from a hospital like a whole thing and then they wanted me to stay in Europe so because they don't want me to fly back and forth I didn't want to fly back and forth so then I had to stay there for like a month because then I went to Paris to do more press and it was it was like a lot of uh just a lot of travel and it's it's great up until a certain point but then when you start having children and things like that it's difficult to manage.

43:57And then I became pregnant with our 17 year old. And that's, I remember being in a meeting talking about going to India. And I was just thinking, I can't go though, because I would be seven months, eight months pregnant when they were talking about it. Then I thought that I can't do this much longer. So I decided, you know, it was, it'd be better for me to have something that was more America, you know, based in the U.S. is that when you went to Revlon? Are they the same company? Are they owned by the same company? Oh so you had Revlon was independently owned. Oh wow. Yeah so I loved my time at Lancome.

44:34Loved. It was just a lot you know for for what I where I was in my life it was it was a bit too much. Were you learning at all about like formulations ever while you were there? It was so beneficial. I worked directly with the chemists all the time. No way. Yeah. Because their offices are connected to their labs. Oh, incredible. 45 minutes outside of Paris. Incredible. I would go to the lab every single time I was there. You say, oh, I need something that does enhance the skin in this way. Yeah. I learned that's where the magic happens. That communication, when they see the passion in your face and, you know, when you get to play around in the magic, that's, so that's when I learned, I'm going to always insist on working directly with the chemist.

45:24What makeup were you using before Lancome? Like what was your kit mostly made out of a little bit of everything? Yeah. I mean, I learned how to do makeup using makeup forever. So I learned to work with sticks. So I guess that sticks were very comfortable for me to use and quick. I found, I just used a bit of everything. I use a lot of, you know, the way I would say my sweet spot, you know, people would always, journalists would always say, oh, you're known for the skin and doing the most beautiful natural makeup and blah, blah, blah. And I would always get annoyed thinking that you don't see all those Italian Vogue covers and all the stuff.

46:08Yeah. It was like, as if I hadn't done anything else other than pretty skin. It's like, dude, but I was known for that. So I really focused a lot on, and I think that came kind of from character makeup and movies, you know, and commercials and, and trying to articulate a mood or an experience that happens within a movie where you're conveying if it's time spent somewhere if it's a weathered person you want to help articulate that through you know the makeup the hair the clothing being a certain level of distress you know what I mean so so I I really took a lot from that and and put that into my artistry and in fashion and I think that that was something that was my own style you know and I could create this kind of winded looking skin very well.

47:09Were there any products in particular that helped you achieve that or it was just like a mix and an application or was there? I mean I used a lot of different things I remember I used like this liquid. I did a lot of like bronzing. I love kind of like bronzing the skin, but I would use this one liquid Ben I stuff bronzing. It was liquid and I would mix it with a few other colors to create that really authentic looking bronzy skin. And it's not as simple as just using one product because then it looks fake. You know, if it's too orange, too yellow. I always love when when I see them mixing a bunch of stuff, I'm like, I feel like they know what they're doing.

47:51Yeah. And I would use a couple of different sticks. And Jennifer Aniston would always ask me, what is that stick? What are those sticks? Where can I get those? And, and I kind of made them now. I was going to say, yeah, here, the sticks are currently in front of us now, the new version, the new shaker version. And it's just this idea of, of treating the complexion as something more that's breathable as opposed to complexion being simply about, you know, foundation you know making it more sort of like different elements such as you know shape and and warmth and color and and having that become your kind of expression of of skin complexion so what points after Revlon like at what point or was it during Revlon that you thought okay it's time for me to kind of you're mixing your own stuff you know what you want you've not met with chemists were you like it's time for me to do my own yeah I my time at Revlon was very different because they hadn't worked with an artistic director before so really a lot of the I was there for eight years I mean a lot of the time I spent just trying to teach them what they how they could use me better oh well you know because they they didn't really have the resources or the people in place to sort of leverage me and what I could bring.

49:13And, and there was, you know, there's honestly back then, I mean, there was just a little bit of implication like that I would sort of be a threat to, to some people's jobs. It's like, no, no, I have one, nothing to do with those things. I'm, I'm here to, we're a team. So it was, it was. That happens when you have a corporate company and somebody new kind of like gets brought in. Everybody just gets scared for their job. Yeah. I'm not here to be here every day. I don't want to do that. That's not for me. I want to be here, you know, a couple of days, not even here. But yeah, so I had thought about it for a long time, but honestly, it wasn't super straightforward what it should be.

49:59And And at a point, I remember the leadership had switched for the third time. And I just thought, you know, now's a good moment for me to kind of like think about doing something different. And my husband and I, he's an incredible businessman. He founded, co-founded Rag & Bone with his school friend from England. And he was at Rag & Bone at the time. And we were discussing this idea of a licensing contract. And we were kind of deep along in negotiations with this company. And I remember we were, it was the winter and we were sitting in front of the fire in our old apartment in Chelsea and we were looking at the contract.

50:43And I remember seeing year five optic. And I was like, what does this mean? And he was like, I guess they want you to do glasses the fifth year. And I was like, oh my God, I don't know if that feels right. that doesn't feel like me. And I was just looking at the layout being so sort of prescriptive. And I thought this doesn't really feel like, I don't know. And so he said, well, you get one shot. Do you want this to be it? And I said, no, hard no. And what a great partner. Yeah. But then you'll never believe this. So this was in early December. And then a week later, we went to this place for uh ski for christmas called majev in switzerland and who is next to us at every breakfast and dinner but the the guy who is one of the owners of that company the licensing company and i was like oh my god i was like david we have to go somewhere else and i was like you know because you get like a designated table for every meal.

51:56Not when you're not. I was like, so yeah, that was kind of awkward. Was he nice to you or he was just mad? It was a little nice to you know, he wasn't super chuffed. I want to say. Oh my God. It took a minute. David said, you have to get an office. And when you get an office, it'll come to you. Oh, cool. We had dinner with Bobby Brown and her husband, Stephen. and she was like, so when are you going to launch a line, your makeup line? And I said, oh, I kind of want to launch your skincare. How incredible that another woman that owns a makeup line wants you. What a cool woman. So cool. She was great, like helping us find people and so cool.

52:37Yeah, generous. But she's so comfortable and confident in what she does. So she doesn't, you know, need to be insecure, which is so nice. There's enough for everyone. I see that happen amongst my friends, like in similar categories where some of them will be like, get mad because somebody launched something, a totally different aesthetic, but in a similar category. And then other women are like, I need you to like, please. Like one of my girlfriends is like. Yeah, you have to celebrate each other. Totally. It's only good for us. It benefits us. Good. And I have a girlfriend that she owns all of Atelier.

53:09If you haven't seen it, you should. It's beautiful. And they do interiors and talking to her about this thing that I'm doing. And she's like, she's like, I will help you. I will lead you. And they're adjacent. Like they're different aesthetics. She was like, you have to do it. Like it just feels just feels so nice. Good for everybody. That is good for everybody. You're right. And it makes you feel good about yourself. Yes. You know, I find that we have to champion each other. I have to say, like looking at Charlotte Tilbury and what she's achieved and created. It's extraordinary. Good on her. You know, it's kind of like, yeah, this can be done.

53:42I also, here's what I say. If it's so genuinely, this is so genuinely you. Yeah. Like your brain, this is you want to try. I'm looking at you. I see the reflection of the products reflecting off your cheek. Aesthetically, it's so you. Charlotte Tilbury, her makeup is so fucking Charlotte. Yeah. It couldn't be more Charlotte. like it's so yeah mac is so campy you know it's always even though there's no person behind it yeah it is so there is room for everybody if it's so authentically yeah you have to just stay in your lane and stick with your passion and you know and david said get this office and it'll come to you and i swear to you i had this office in london terrace i had mood boards i got my cute little China.

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58:55I swear I looked around, I had a cute phone, I had a desk and my husband was calling me and saying, how's it going? I'm like, nothing's going. and it did take a minute but then ultimately you know starting from who should we work with you know it's it's difficult to assemble a team yeah you know you have no idea where to begin and I had some experience with IntraCost because I had worked with them with both Lancome and Revlon and I really loved and appreciated what they did and I knew they were you know the biggest CM for color cosmetics. And I wanted to work. I thought we should work with them.

59:39I know them. And so my husband and I went to Italy and we were having dinner with the founder, Dario Ferrari. And he was like, natural makeup doesn't work. Because I had this idea I wanted to do organic makeup. So stupid. So stupid. And I dropped that after nine months of failed missions, but we had just like oil dripping down your face, just like garbage. And having dinner with him, he's like, you know, natural makeup doesn't work. Don't do that. And I was like, it's going to be different. You'll see. And then, you know, his, his daughter really was very helpful for me to ideate what it was. It just came to me in a second.

1:00:18It's like, she said, what are you known for? I was like the skin. And she's like, there you have it. I was like, I have it. So then it was like obvious that I should just do, you know, an edit, a curated edit of products where I can share this really simplified philosophy around the skin and how to create elevated, you know, skin without it feeling like you're a show pony for cosmetics, you know, just really enhance yourself. And so that's, that's where it began. But then of course, there was this really deep desire to create products without a lot of ingredients, like silicones and pegs and phthalates and all of these ingredients, which is very challenging.

1:01:09Still to this day, the biggest challenge, but now everyone knows. you have you had to didn't something happen with the foundation where you like missed the date of the launch because you just didn't think the formula was yeah by a year oh my god it was so we so we oh but it's actually great because a year ago we were supposed to launch our liquid foundation and I was getting production samples sent to me and I was you know wearing them and And I was like, what? This is not this. What is this? This is not the right formula. This is not our foundation. And something happened in the scale up, which it can happen sometimes.

1:01:53Oh, wow. You know, foundation is the most difficult category. And especially formulating with no silicones, without all of these. Would those act as like a stabilizer almost to? Well, it's just the combination of all of these ingredients that the formulators are accustomed to, not using those and using alternative ingredients for, you know, many of these things. They're just not as familiar with them. And anyway, something happened in the scale up and I really tried to fix it. I went to Italy for 10 days. we worked on, you know, doing some tweaks and it didn't work. But it's more. You taking a huge financial hit to make sure that the formula is right.

1:02:43It's it was better than from a moral perspective. You could have absolutely no one was going to notice it the same way that you would. No, but it's you wouldn't sit. Now it's incredible, honestly. I mean, good on you. Everyone said, I'm sure you can fix it. And I was like, no, you can't fix it. It's not, it's not, we have to start from scratch. And so we made that decision and we did everything so, so well, so meticulously. And it was just, I mean, I've never been happier with a formula. I was more impressed with the formula. My intention was to, I wanted to kind of create more of a modern version of luminous silk, in my opinion, for me, what I view as modern.

1:03:32And that ultimately has been one of the best forever, but it is a very heavy. Yeah, it's been consistently well, very well respected. And such a heavy formula for every day. Is, you know, more my take on it, but that ease, you know? And I also wanted to include serious skincare component. So we worked at the biotech lab. Wow. Which, you know, that also brings in a whole other level of, you know, we were, I was like, God willing, this works, you know, because you have to combine two different formulas. But, you know, they do harmonize. Everything, you know, harmonizes beautifully. But it's just, we have the best of the best of both the skincare complex and the foundation complex.

1:04:21So it's like you're getting so much for your money, you know, so the exosome technology actually wasn't really aware of. I thought it was an ingredient, to be honest, when I when I was reading about it. I get those micro needles into my face. Yeah, I was like, oh, that's a cool ingredient. I had no idea when I first read about it a few years ago. And then I just thought I want to do that in our makeup. I have never seen that in makeup. So I want to do it in our makeup. It would have come out a year ago if, you know, But still, I was just praying that no one else would do it before us. And I don't think anyone did.

1:04:56Touch wood. And basically, exosome technology is a delivery system. And we added our proprietary complex into this delivery system. And it's a smaller molecule than the size of your pore so that the molecule can enter your dermis and find damaged skin cells and it releases these peptides and these vitamins and these antioxidants into your skin and it renews your skin cells. Unbelievable. Yeah. So that's, that's legit. Are you so proud of yourself? Yeah. Well, it's a, it's a very competitive space. And a lot of people to this day, you know, and a lot of people, and every day you open your phone and there's like another makeup brand.

1:05:43I'm like, God, I know it's like you can't keep up. But you know, I, I have to say to this day, a lot of people don't care about what's in their foundation as long as it makes their skin look good, which is mind blowing to me, given the information we have around ingredients now. I mean, it's just a matter of time. I always tell myself it's sort of like the food we eat in America, you know, just like everything has too many chemicals that are not necessary. And I think I'm trying to just kind of translate how I like to live into the products. Gwyneth Paltrow said something once, and I use a little bit of everything.

1:06:21I like to keep it mostly clean, obviously. But I remember Gwyneth Paltrow saying once, I saw her talk, it was like a long time ago. And it was like, it was some sort of promotional thing for when her show came out on Netflix and she had all these different doctors on and somebody asked her about clean makeup. and she just thought like, my, she's like, I watched my dad die and your skin is your biggest organ. And so like, why do I want to put endocrine disrupting ingredients on my organ? Yeah. She said it so bluntly and I was like, oh my God, that makes sense. Like, and so, you know, then I went really off the rails, not using anything healthy and now I've found a nice little balance of, of a life.

1:07:00Yeah. I mean, it's 80, 20. Well, I love my 80, 20 life. It's 80, 20. I do too. I love to indulge sometimes and but for the most part i'm consistent and i think if you you just have that sort of like balance it's all about a balance how many products do you have now in your whole range how many years has it been too eight years wow we launched eight years did you guys would you mind if i do you mind if i did you bootstrap this yourself or did you fundraise No, we did it ourselves until about five years in. But you started it on your own. Incredible. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank God that foundation thing didn't happen then.

1:07:38I know. But the reason it took so long to make that foundation. You'd be slinging Revlon back on your Instagram. I'd be like, maybe I can work at SK2 again or something. We couldn't do that liquid foundation earlier because there were no alternative ingredients. like now that formula is insane. There's some ingredients that are magic. Look at these beautiful lipsticks too. I mean, I'm wearing all of it right now. The lipstick is so hydrating. So I watch you apply lipstick a lot. I don't. So hydrating. I'm nervous to wear color on my lip. I always do a gloss and a lip liner. Look how you're, I know it's so hydrating.

1:08:15This one is. Yeah, that looks great. So I love when you do that. I love when watching you do people's makeup because it just like all seems so beautiful. But Pia, have you tried this on your lips? I have. Yes, I have. Yeah, it feels incredible. But I look at myself and I'm like, I need to figure out what color. But this is not really, this is just kind of like tones down your red. Yes. That looks amazing on you. It does not look like. I mean, yeah. Your colors are gorgeous. I mean, it's all really beautiful and perfect. Oh, thank you. I want it to feel joyful. You know, I think we. The packaging is to die for.

1:08:49Thank you. I love using it. Yeah. I love seeing it in my bag. I love seeing it on my counter. And we were talking about this before you came in or before we started recording that my son watches me do makeup so much. So he will sit on my lap and do it. And he loves to eat all of the sticks. And so there's teeth marks in all of them. That is so cute. But I always, I'm like, oh, I don't have to fret because they are not going to hurt him. That's so cute. Because there's no chemicals in there. How many kids do you have? Two. And you're going to have a third. I think I should. Yeah. I think that it's in my brain.

1:09:26What do you have? A girl and a boy. Where do you live? Outside of New York. That's my dream. I want to move to Bedford or Greenwich. We live in Bedford. Do you want to buy our house? Yes, I do. Great. Yes, I do. Tell me when you're ready. Thank you so much. No, wait, you want to move to Bedford or Greenwich? Why? I don't like it here. I'm a New York girlie. I lived there for 10 years. It's my happy place. My husband's from Italy. All of our brands are in Italy. Tell me about your brands. You live my dream life with food and Italy. It's about to get better when our Barantini brand launches. It's going to be.

1:10:03When is that going to be? I'm showing a deck to my dream partner in two weeks. I'm going to one partner instead of fundraising from a bunch of people. Like the biggest one. I just want to be like, do it with this. In food? Like a food partner. Wow. I do CPG and restaurants. okay I know a really great investor if you're ever I do I want to ask Mario Carbone oh sick and then have his wife be like help make me like that's cool you know what I mean like the one-two punch of her being like we're gonna do this and you're gonna do this is what I'm manifesting if not it's not very cool but also maybe one day you should meet Alicia Sontag from Prelude is brilliant.

1:10:44She's in a lot of food brands. Fly by Yang. She would love what we're doing. It's really cool. Or is it Fly by Yang? I'm a Jing. Jing. Oh, Jing. All right. We have to get out of this studio. I'm a huge fan and I'm so grateful. I feel like I want to go to your house and have pasta. I want to go to your house. No, you don't. Well, yeah, you can come to our house. You can have our house. Once I get my house in Ireland, you can have our house in Bedford. Oh, see, we're all just slowly moving more and more east. I want to move to Europe. Yeah, great. I want to move to, but this is my like way to get to there.

1:11:15Where do you go in Italy? Sicily is where he's from. But we go to lots of places. What's your favorite? In all of Italy, it was just not comparable. It's just, but Sicily, like if you really explore the whole island, it's just because Mount Etna in the winter is like the coziest. There's like little gnome houses. And like there's one restaurant where they put coal under the table to keep your feet warm. Shut up. Nicolosi and all these places looks like you're in like Italian Disneyland. they're so cute but then I also you know I mean like roll it's all amazing have you been to Iskia yeah we went this summer it's the best it's interesting it's cool it's really I think you need to know your spots yeah this is the same which is why I don't tell anybody to go unless I know it's really disappointing when you go somewhere and you end up in like a shit hotel I will have a meltdown because I'm like I do because I'm like I spent so much time and money to be here and like we got it wrong and the vibes are wrong and I just want to die no I am not easy to deal with hotels right not even it's not even about the niceness like you just feel like the vibe is off like I'll stay in a shithole if there's a great vibe yeah I just need like a vibe do you want to feel like do you like mezzatura there or what do you like I'm dying thank you by the way thank you so much for coming on thank you thank you for having me thank you I love you Everything is the best.

1:12:34Thank you.

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