Andy Wilman | The Man Behind Top Gear, The Grand Tour & Clarkson’s Farm

18:59Andy Wilman:It's a great vision though, isn't it?

19:00Jeremy Clarkson:Yeah, and Charlie and Caleb and everybody, they don't have to do that. They can relax because he's going to do it. And then they can just be themselves. If Top Gear was lightning in a bottle, the farm is lightning in a bottle, and it struck twice because all that cast were already there. We didn't audition anybody. Gerald has been doing his walls for 20 years. Caleb worked on that farm before Jeremy got there. Charlie has always been his land agent. and they go on camera and it's like they're stars on camera but they were never auditioned we were never like oh we need another land agent or we need another builder alan's just brilliant alan

19:46Andy Wilman:but i think there's also an element you've already said it that jeremy allows them to be that that's that's a skill in itself yeah he knows he could have created a very different atmosphere

19:54Jeremy Clarkson:he knows he's there to be knocked down he knows that viewers like it when he gets a knock in

19:58Andy Wilman:He's been knocked for years, right? So we were talking off camera about how, how much sort of sense he makes and how much intellect he puts out, but he can take a knocking for all sorts of different reasons. You know, your working relationship, in fact, your relationship goes back to being 11 years old at school, right? I feel like that he is super intelligent, and that really got a lot of humility, but can play. He has an acting element to that. Am I right? Have I got that right? Acting element. Sorry, the acting element of what we saw, particularly through the Top Gear days, where there was a performance element that betrayed the fact that actually he's a really good company.

20:40Jeremy Clarkson:I think that's quite astute of you there because he... Refreshing Wild Cherry Cola meets smooth cream.

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21:29Jeremy Clarkson:flip that the you know at school yeah he was as noisy as fuck he really was um and we were i think you know we weren't any good at football or anything like that so we were just noisy like show-offs look at us look at us and so on so that's in him but the farm when people go I mean you must have heard people say this to you like I don't normally like Jeremy Clarkson but I love him on the farm the fact is the farm character has always been Jeremy he's always been the real Jeremy and it's top gear in the grand tour where you get the sort of amped up Jeremy that's got there's an element of performance in the sense that he he kind of you play to your cartoon character a bit more like that he's he's bombastic and doesn't listen to anybody etc he actually does but the the grand tour and the top gear were much more like play to their cartoon characters so james is actually he is as like nerd he is he is on the telly but i was going to say james isn't but he actually is.

22:40Jeremy Clarkson:But Hammond being like Norman Wisdom, you know, accident prone, whatever and ever, and like befuddled, and I'm a Bromian, I don't like foreign food. You know, he plays up to that to a degree because they know that the cartoon characters kind of work. And as long as they don't lose their kind of authentic credibility, they just put it into hyper-color. Whereas The Farm, you don't get any performance from him anymore. it does you know we had a little talk before we started doing the farm when we didn't know how it was going to go and i was like how about we have a kind of a little rule where but by if you're thinking of a scene or a sequence to do let's ask ourselves would we do it on the grand tour and if the answer is yes maybe we don't do it so you learn from what's worked and you learn from what yeah and we would again off going off on the farm we're having to teach ourselves something else but we were like let's let's put that marker down that like if we were going to do that in the car show let's not do it on the farm because then the farm is like it's got to be he's genuinely trying to let's take something like him trying to make that tractor work in the grand tour you kind of go this has all got to end badly because that's what everyone's waiting it's got all got catch fire you know and in the farm he does try and get the tractor in right because otherwise we've been making the grand tour on a farm which would be bollocks so you know it's not a man having a go at his farm he has got all the editorial and emotion intelligence to do all that he's absolutely the sort of complete character i know what to do with the rushes you know what to do with him in the eddie he trusts me there that once he's gone through sort of the me filter what comes out is going to be that if i make him look at it it's me who's made him look at it and he's given me the material to make him look at it so we're all in agreement sort of thing yeah i get that you know we know which is a lovely trust actually yeah yeah

24:40Andy Wilman:and on that actually you know there's there's years of working together and i'm also grouping you all as as four there um and you've been through you've had some amazing successes and brilliant experiences but you also had some really scary moments what was it like for you when

24:56Jeremy Clarkson:richard hammond had his dragster crash uh that was i mean it sounds like a cliche but it was just plain terrifying i remember driving up to the hospital in leeds and i'm like sitting in the traffic on the m1 and you ring up the hospital and they go he's in critical condition and you're like hang on the last time i spoke to the producer they were going he's talking they're putting him in the ambulance to go to the hospital, the air ambulance, but he's talking and you all try and kid yourselves that things are all right. And you ring the hospital and they go, he's critical. And you're like, what?

25:33Jeremy Clarkson:What do you mean critical? What, what, what, what, what? You're like that. And the hospitals go, we can say no more than he's critical. And you're looking at all the red lights on the M1 in front of you and you're doing a mile an hour and I was screaming inside the car like what have we got ourselves to what have we done what what are we playing at here like we're playing and now this is a reality wife two kids he's got you know so it was terrifying um and then got up there there, though he was in the hospital. And he didn't look too damaged because all the injuries were internal. So he had this massive black eye but that was all the mud forcing its way into his helmet when he'd gone over in the car.

26:25Jeremy Clarkson:But apart from that, he looked all right. But he's all in a coma and he's got all the tubes and wires and everything. and the doctor goes, so if his brain swells, that's it, it's all over. There's weight, there's nothing we can do, so we have that night like that, just sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting, and then in the morning, he will live. So you're like, okay, and then that's a huge one-off you, but then you don't know what you're going to get back.

26:59Jeremy Clarkson:But I think two things there. luckily when he started to come round he was hilarious because he was absolutely off his rocker you know he was he if i walked past a sort of war door he'd go andy what are you doing there and you're like i can't tell him i can't tell him five times now it's just like every time he he'd forget that you were there every time you walked past and he'd go and he's here and he's in hospital like to a nurse or something he goes i work with him you know you're like hell and then james would be there as well and jeremy and he'd go why are all you lot here you know and he's sitting with all the tubes and the wires and that you're like hell mate and then somebody would go like you've had an accident and then he'd be going to us i've had an accident you know and you're like right right so you're having these like conversations like with somebody who's demented there's a bit

27:49Andy Wilman:of a fear there for you before oh that was all right though because this nurse who was brilliant

27:53Jeremy Clarkson:on the brain injury ward she was like okay imagine your brain is a filing cabinet and she what's happened to him is his filing cabinet's fallen over the drawers have opened and all the files are all over the floor but they're all still there they're all fine but his brain is just like that at the minute so it its brain has got to write its own filing cabinet put all the put all the folders back where they were it was time it's just time yeah um and then you got that you wait you you know the black humor of him being absolutely mental in the hospital during those first three days was like fantastic comedy you know in a sort of top gear way yeah like oh shit i've just walked past his ward again and he go and hey what are you doing here like what are you doing up here you've had an accident richard for the 20th time and and so on and so on then you saw and she's going i saw james earlier he's up here i don't know why and it's It goes on and on like that.

28:52Jeremy Clarkson:So we were in a good place like that. And then we were I think our focus went on to him coming back on the show. And it was a different era, not like the poor Freddy's era when he had his accident. It was our era was. I think his crash was very dramatic and very cinematic and very. So the mood around was he lives. He's going to rise again. when is he back triumphant return whereas freddie's was this awful awful poor accident that just dragged on and on and debilitated him for so long and it just knocked the stuffing out of everybody whereas in our era it was like we've survived and now we come back you know different different

29:39Andy Wilman:attitudes i think phoenix out of the flames yeah that kind of thing did it change anything for you because you got you all got a fright and there was an element of the fact that you know you actually said yourself you're playing i mean brilliant fun like fun to watch everything had gone previously but there was an element of perhaps the bar being raised and doing all sorts

29:59Jeremy Clarkson:of cool things no it didn't it didn't it didn't stop us doing anything i mean james a few months later when it did the bugatti vayron max speed run you know and that was a a few months after Richard's accident. And I think we had this attitude that we were actually quite, for all the people thinking we were fuckwits and children, we were actually quite, we were very good about health and safety. We did it. We did it well. You know, you're investigated to death after something like Richard's thing. And bar a couple of things about communications could have been better you pass with flying colors that everything was good you know what we did so we had a good bedrock for carrying on doing dangerous things you know or risky things so it didn't change our mindset i mean you get things like argentina where we got our arses kicked and you can't see that one coming but that you know that's not something you plan like a stunt sort of thing that's just that's just a different kind of danger you know i mean you you've entertained

31:04Andy Wilman:me and countless others and you've inspired many many people to want to get into you know creating and making um tv and content can you almost bottle up now with so much perspective experience and maturity what advice that would be to someone looking in wanting to be the next Andy Woolman

31:28Jeremy Clarkson:I dread this I dread this because I always think the answer I give is going to be a bit shit because of that point I said earlier about things happening by accident. We couldn't plan. You can't plan organic or accidents or that our level of intelligence was just enough sort of thing. You can't teach any of that stuff. So the one bedrock of content was story always wins. Story, story, story, story, story. story. And Jeremy, James, myself, we started in print. We were schooled in print, the discipline of print. What is the point of what you're saying, doing or writing? And I think I see a lot of content creation going on these days.

32:19Jeremy Clarkson:You know, we all get our Instagram like boiling over with stuff. And you watch people just thinking if I do the bare minimum or I do what makes me happy going around tasting food i've got a career out of it and you think okay if that's what you want to do but you've got to make your food tasting adventures have a proper story it can't just be i'm in another fucking burger bar in hoxton and yum i love it that's just you're doing that for yourself you're doing that to get free burgers and it's like not good enough. So that old-fashioned thing about story, and the story will always survive because, and I'm not talking about AI generator stories where they put the facts together, everything we did came from us kernels, K-E-R-N-E-L-S kernels, of us wanting to do things or wanting to try that out.

33:20Jeremy Clarkson:jeremy's farm is all about jeremy can i run this farm it's not jeremy going right i've got a playground and i can fuck about with tractors and be clumsy all over again he puts his bedrock down of can i make this thing run and then he goes right also you go okay so it's not one of those stories where you see a tv show where somebody mortgages everything they've got to start this business because everyone knows you've got a few quid you know jeremy if this farm goes wrong you won't starve so you go right how are we going to deal with that and make viewers feel this pain when the farm makes 100 quid in a year so that kind of attention to detail the god in the detail about the story beats and the layering of bit.

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35:11Andy Wilman:Visit gmparts.com for more information. No, I think that's powerful. And I appreciate you showing that. You saying about that amplification, if you like, of how hard farming is by the end of the year, we lived through all the ups and downs that go through the year of harvest to make 100 quid. what's really again amplified by that is the fact that that's the reality for all the other farmers that don't have yes income and the previous success so we make sure we say that but that's what comes through yeah it's actually a lot bigger yeah jerry's going i've got millionaire i've got

35:49Jeremy Clarkson:i've got a grand tour i'm good what about if you haven't got any in that shit you know going back to the sort of people get their news now like we all look at the ice stories and the epstein stories and you you kind of just wish that somebody would read a newspaper as well because of the discipline of putting that story together whereas everyone can shout on social media it's still still powerful facts are in there somewhere and that's fantastic but when it becomes your only way of receiving news it's a lot of shouting righteous shouting saying the right points get it absolutely you the discipline of reading a newspaper where it's been like shaped and someone else has scrutinized and made sure that your points are there and that is there and that backs up that is god when you think 200 000 people are reading a newspaper it's sad yeah it's sad because it's a it's a fantastic discipline still i'm talking like a boomer and nobody's going to listen to

36:53Andy Wilman:that bit i know but oh no it is so it goes back back to perspective and it also goes back to transmission if you like of information and i'm going to bring that back to what clarkson's farm has done to almost educate people like me my family and everyone else that watches about the state of britain's farmers and the farming and i think that's huge and that's and that's being given to you in a storytelling entertainment yes but why is he why is he

37:20Jeremy Clarkson:made that inroad that no one else has made you know because they know what they're saying that the farmer's guardian for example they know what they're doing they're bloody excellent at it but why has he made that impact where non-farming people are going jesus christ i never knew i think yeah he's using his print skills to boil down and his print skills are tabloid you know he was always local papers then making tv shows like ours you do you do strip away on like the broadsheets to the real salient points and that skill's never left him so he he can present without it being a rant the salient points about the life of farmer and the and the troubles that farmers go through and he happens to be a good communicator when when he delivers it and it needs to but you say the stuff in the next series when we get into tv and stuff he's incredible you know really good um and it's and it's his view of it as as he as he stands there and learns things which we then get the benefit of real time

38:34Andy Wilman:what about the longevity of clarkson's farm i don't want to break anyone's hearts but is there a conversation any more time where how long do you keep doing okay so this is our third big show

38:44Jeremy Clarkson:we didn't know this was top gear that kind of got ended for us i can't say can't say that was a plan the grand tour we brought it to an end and that was we planned that we were like we have to land the plane while it's still dignified in the air and we've still got an audience you can't do that thing where you make one film or one series too many and people go nah this is bollocks now it's busted flush so you have to discipline yourself to go we end it now while we still have an audience the same will have to happen with the farm i don't know when that is because each time a series gets made and it's you've got to remember it's jeremy's show it's not like mine and his or mine his and richard's or anything it's his show because it's kind of his baby whereas grand tour we all had ownership of the farm is his baby and if at the end of a series he can think of something he wants to do for another series then he'll do it but if at the end of a series one day he'll go i cannot think of anything else to do or say then that'll be the end of it hasn't happened yet but you know that's that's the agreement he has with amazon that it's like we do it all on a rolling basis that's working for that keeps it authentic no boot time big time yeah and hey we didn't think we'd get this hit we thought it was all over with the grand tour in terms of right that's our time having hits done then the farm comes along you're like oh my fucking god we've got this as well so every series that happens now is a bonus we've just got to end it properly you know like treat it the same way we did the grand tour but everyone that works and we go we'll go again you're like well that's a bonus you know we're in uncharted territory with our farming show

40:36Andy Wilman:so it's joyous when we do that no i can tell you light up about i'm beaming with no it's it's the

40:42Jeremy Clarkson:best thing i've ever edited and i love the edit that's where i belong and the farm is the most joyous thing to edit even though like i was talking with your guys earlier you know we're not doing space rockets and oil tankers and stuff like that anymore and aircraft carriers we're doing right the goats have arrived you know that's today's massive scene like it's so small yeah

41:08Andy Wilman:yeah yeah intricate it's so charming yeah yeah conscious of time i want to ask you go into sort of more of a personal part of your thoughts if you like you've achieved a huge amount of success um over a long period of time you'll allow me to say that yeah just realizing it now

41:25Jeremy Clarkson:yeah it took us all a long time to actually go hey we did all right well i'm glad we never we were always lived on our nerves for 20 years going this is all going to get taken away this is all going to go to so we never patted ourselves on the back ever so sitting here now yeah what's your definition of success it will be a mash-up of what i've said i think that we managed to in our field make stuff on our own terms you know we none of us were ever hired to like this is the show you're working on you know you are now making a pick any good show like if somebody had said right you know a lot of producers go and find work so go right i'll get a job on the repair shop or traitors or whatever all good shows but you're like you go and get work to make a living and we have been so lucky that we've made everything on our own terms we made our own grew our own stuff and i'm only realizing that now when we get to we've all got gray hair and guts and we're like in our 60s and you're like fuck me we've got all through our working lives and we never had to like go and do something for somebody else and I'm only realising that now only now so that's a real privilege because it's not advice I could give I couldn't go around to people going if you want to be in TV just do the thing you want to do because it doesn't work like that not given time

43:11Andy Wilman:it's lovely what you said about that time in the BBC that allowed you to do that and it's actually very entrepreneurial and innovative within a corporate

43:22Jeremy Clarkson:yeah we were shit at business but we were like we were i suppose we grew our own business yeah

43:28Andy Wilman:you're allowed to be creative you're allowed to stimulate your curiosity what what what does that look like for you now at this stage of your life where clarkson's farm hopefully continues based on the right yeah uh um kind of content that looks right for the next series and so on but if that was to stop in in the year's time what would andy willman do i've stopped fighting that now because

43:54Jeremy Clarkson:I remember thinking like only a few years ago like okay grand tours come to an end and people would say okay you've all earned well you can now you know rest on your laurels a bit and I would run around going no I've not done my best work yet I've still not done my Sistine Chapel ceiling it's still not done still not done kind of manic and I've really mellowed over the last few years because the i'm sort of thinking the farm could be the best thing you've ever and ever will do and i'm like and now i'm going no i'm good with that i'm actually i don't really give a shit if we never do another thing now i'm actually like all the cliches about okay you're 63 you can probably go on any kind of physical activity holiday you still want for another 10 years So how about starting to do that, you know, rather than so on and so on.

44:49Jeremy Clarkson:Now, that's a big cliche, I know.

44:51Andy Wilman:But no, it's important to you recognize it. You're allowing yourself to think beyond. That Sistine Chapel thing is quite important. And I love the fact that you recognize it. No, and I put that to bed now. I put that to bed.

45:02Jeremy Clarkson:I'm like.

45:03Andy Wilman:That's what I mean by being important.

45:05Jeremy Clarkson:Yeah, I've got we've all got projects to make with Amazon. Like we all got. So the farm came about because all four of us, when we agreed to sign on to do more grand tours we were all given a solo project as a sort of enticement and if you want to bring in four egotistical people because we didn't really want to do any more grand tours we thought we were done and if you want to bring four egotistical people and you give them each a solo project it's like a shit 70s rock band and you're like okay what we want the record company's going we want the band to resign so we'll give the keyboard player a solo album the drummer a solo on the base and so on and so you do that and we were all like yeah got our own cell now you're talking jeremy's was the farm you know which has been fantastic him i haven't done mine yet so it's in my back pocket and i've never got around to it because we're doing the farm and i'm very relaxed so there's probably one more thing i'll do one day and i don't know what it is i'm gonna relax about not i'm not gonna relax relax but i'm gonna relax about not worrying about what's come only because i can now appreciate what we've done i love that there's a piece to

46:14Andy Wilman:that because it sounds like you've been running at a pace particularly in here i remember a long

46:19Jeremy Clarkson:long time now well i remember when i was when i was writing a book about all our years and this came back to my memory was the top gear we got in the guinness book of records for most watched show on the planet sort of thing that happens and you're like we're a fucking car show on BBC Two and you get that call from Guinness Book of Records you're like so it stuns you but I remember the plaque you know the plaque arrives and it stayed on the sort of floor against a filing cabinet in its bubble wrap for months and months and months and that became very symbolic to me when I look back that why did we never unwrap it put it on the wall get the champagne out take the day off and go what we done we didn't we just got great put it there now back to the meeting it was like that but there's an element i wouldn't recommend

47:21Andy Wilman:that no i get that but you've got the you've taken your foot off the gas to have the reflection to look back on yes in the moment you were relentless i don't know if you've been asked this but i'm sure you must have been but just in the time of all the top gears what is your favorite moment One.

47:38Jeremy Clarkson:One moment.

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48:42Jeremy Clarkson:There was one that was never on camera. I'm not, you know, you get more than one. You get more than one. There was one time shortly after Richard's crash when he was like getting well again. And it was Christmas and we just put series 10 to bed. I thought that's as good a series we're ever going to do. So it wasn't, but I thought it was. and the army asked the three of them to go out to afghanistan to do the old virulent three-day signing autographs for all the troops who weren't going to be home for christmas so we went like yeah sure we did that so the four of us went flew out to bryzen autumn went to kandahar camp bastion and spent three days doing that and kind of entertain the troops with talks and what have you and it was all the camps were dry and we were like we have been such entitled brats normally like you know somebody brings us a drink we get pissed on a night out this kind of stuff and then the army goes no i'm sorry it's dry and you're like so it was like all our lives everything like we've gone from working out how to do the next special in iraq or whatever to how can we get a beer in this camp like and all our brain power goes into this and then james may comes into our tent we all share this tent and he's got two tiny cans of heineken that the squad he's given him that they've smuggled in and we're like literally doing back flips the four of us sitting there with these two tiny cans of heineken going like not too much it's mine you know rationing it sip yeah and you think you ever came to it all four yeah we've sold out they've sold out earl's court doing the sort of top gear live shows and And now we're here like going, I'll give it here.

50:27Jeremy Clarkson:That's mine. This sort of stuff. And they were, I look back at that moment. And I adored it because we were allowed to be at peace. All our responsibilities were taken away. And responsibilities, because they're so hectic and stressful, they do test your friendships and your relationships. You get naggy with each other. And because we had no responsibility apart from sharing out that Heineken, we just all instantly came at peace with each other again it was a wonderful wonderful little period yeah thank you for sharing that yeah it was mega i wondered that that naggy bit you say

51:07Andy Wilman:you know i mean it's just you know every one time you're so glad that no one fell out and then stopped what was just such a lovely continuation of the relationship we got aggie because everyone

51:18Jeremy Clarkson:had an opinion it wasn't a lot of shows the presenters you know they turn up and the producers go this is what you're doing and ours were like very vocal about what they wanted to do and so on and then there's a power dynamic within jeremy james and richard and that plays itself out so they're going to get aggie with each other but and then because things are going organically and where is the show going and so on that there's a lot of room for agginess so we had it a lot not a lot but we had it it was always there as a presence but ben joiner one of our main camera men he would like if anybody attacked us from the outside you know a newspaper or whatever or anything he'd be like hey this might be a dysfunctional family but it's our dysfunctional family so off and it's like you know if there's going to be any arguing we'll do it amongst

52:14Andy Wilman:ourselves i mean you spent a huge amount of time together all the traveling and so on i love that so the aggie side no matter anything external rocket came in you joined course yes and i think

52:23Jeremy Clarkson:it's got to be it is a lesson that people can learn i think people wind themselves up so much these days about who said what to who jesus you got i mean our boomer heads would go let that stuff go because it's nobody's fault that the world has this society has arranged itself so that we spend all our time at work with people that we have to work with and not with our families and loved ones that's the way the world is so you might as well make that work you might as well stop and think and make that work and make have fun out of your arguments yes stab in the chest never in the back

53:03Andy Wilman:that was another one love that and your favorite moment from clarkson's farm oh i've not i've not got into the sort of pipe and slippers moment yet where i thought about that just the first one where just puts a smile on your face just that takes you straight back to the moment we're what why we love

53:21Jeremy Clarkson:it yeah there's a scene in the new series coming up it's almost a bit like a it happens at christmas time so there ain't a lot of farming going on because there isn't a lot of farming going on but there's christmas at the pub and it's a little bit vicar of dibley christmas special-ish in that the stories are there. But Jeremy wants to make a grotto, Santa's grotto. So he has a meeting with Charlie sort of talking about how he wants to do it. And I think that's the best scene I've ever, ever, ever seen them do. And I remember Jim and I, the editor, we were looking at it going, fucking hell, this is just the best television to make ever.

54:03Jeremy Clarkson:When it goes out, you'll see what I mean. I can't wait now. And then when they build it, Caleb and Jeremy build the grotto and then caleb's view of the creation of mankind is just blindingly brilliant right

54:17Andy Wilman:so those two things are quite close together i can hear laughing by cameras no it's not whatever

54:23Jeremy Clarkson:you think is me it's whatever you think and um when all that comes together you're just like because it's organic because we know stories and performing inside out because all of it is so like charlie doesn't watch himself on the show and so you go right can you have a meeting with jeremy about a grotto and you go jeremy wants to and he goes i'll talk to jeremy when he talks to me and then he's amazing you know um and you would just i would just watch it again and again just for the laugh. It's so like weep funny. Yeah. You're making so when does it come out? So to everybody yeah I think it's end of May or very opening days of June yeah EP2 bring it on EP2 giggles can't wait for that etc.

55:16Jeremy Clarkson:I couldn't wait for this conversation thank you very much I really enjoyed it

55:19Andy Wilman:I'm really pleased you said that no really enjoyed it yeah you made time

55:23Jeremy Clarkson:no it's fantastic flow it's really good to sit here talking to you it really is

55:28Andy Wilman:I've been a fan of yours for a long time so this has been no thank you you're an absolute legend no I don't take care like I'm going

55:35Jeremy Clarkson:no thank you it's a handshake

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