Myleene Klass | Full Episode | From Pop to Purpose, Motherhood, Music, and Making Change

16:02John Reynolds:My kids say, you can drop us at the party, but don't sing. so i'm like at the front of the car just listening to the music and not singing that's funny just being an elected i don't get asked for that well if i do drop them i have to drop them at the end

16:16Myleene Klass:of this at the end of the road i mean you mentioned entrepreneurial piece which i actually want to bring up and then that whole kind of singing but there's there's multi-talents there you've lent into so many things you've learned that that ted talk thing i think is brilliant because if it tips you upside down the the knowledge that you've got from all the things you've immersed yourself in and tried and that's that's the key i feel like you are a proper test and learn you lean in and you and you you try things you're not afraid to try something i'm not afraid to fail that's what

16:45John Reynolds:i'm getting i really admire you for that well where where's that come from because as someone

16:50Myleene Klass:that dare i say was suppressed uh and you meant you know that's that sort of racist oppression if you like that you had and feeling different but therefore that makes you not want to stand out you had a life for 25 years in public view and you haven't shied away from well i did initially i very much did what got you through what was the shift what was the what what what transition

17:10John Reynolds:so at school i definitely hid away i used to try and powder my face lighter um i used to people would pull their eyes um at me and there were really racist slurs oh god the bullying was really bad god i remember one kid burning my hair and you just think god somebody did that to my my kid now I don't even know what I would do it's just it's but at the time I just sort of just kept myself you know sort of under the radar and I still do look back because you know when they always say what would you say to your younger self and I do always think I was so brave that I didn't change direction I still carried on building sarcophaguses that was my weekend job I was just into just sort of building things and I was obsessed with Egyptology so I'd build sarcophaguses and make little canopic jars i mean i thought you were being like an analogy you were actually building them no i used to build the pyramids and then i used to deep dive into the tunnels and then get to the two and then make sure that make the sacrificial sort of canopic jars and understand what the hieroglyphics meant honestly it was just it was my that was my hobby and um the you know the rest of the time i was playing my piano which at the time as well was not cool you couldn't do these sort of TikTok videos now you could just sort of play these riffs I would um and you couldn't just download music either so I would sit there figuring out all these pieces that I loved and my dad would play me Lehar and Wagner and Brahms and I'd be like I don't want to listen to this in the car I want to listen to Kylie Minogue and my mum playing all her Filipino and Elvis pieces she's loved Elvis and that would be my musical those would be my musical influences and now any piece you ask me I can play it because like I learned I've literally trained myself to play by ear because I just didn't have music available to me all those pieces and the fact that I've now worked in classical music I get to host shows and work with my absolute idols across all genres my first job was with Cliff Richard and Lily Savage um you know recently my next job actually in a few weeks time's going to be with um at the Brit Pops um playing classical music um in the Brit Pop um genre um at the Albert Hall so it's literally a little bit of everything and I think back to the fact that I just persevered I never gave up I think I think when you think of musicians people think of it as this softer subject that oh that's nice they played a nice piece that three minute piece has taken me like 40 years to learn it's the old swan analogy see the see the beautiful bit at the top but graph yeah i get why you don't want to pay me for three minutes but you're paying me for 40 plus years and i think that that's really important that i shine a light you know from an educator's point of view as a mom as a musician all of those as a woman in the music industry get paid get recognized make sure your talent is not seen as a softer subject because music brings in trillions of pounds you know you don't look at Ed Sheeran now and think poor Ed or poor Beyonce or poor Taylor Swift do you think what incredible artists Hans Zimmer, Ainaudi they're all incredible artists and no one looks at them in any other way other than that have you seen Hans

20:32Myleene Klass:live i've worked with hans zimmer have you i did not know that he's a piano with him um you know

20:38John Reynolds:he wrote the theme song to going for gold going for going for god that's where he started now we look at him as gladiator and the dark knight he started with going for gold because everyone a had to start somewhere but b he can write a tune like a ditty that gets in your head so for me to sit at a piano and be with my idols and hans zimmer he's not primarily a pianist and he said oh i don't play today you play i was like yeah okay what moment yeah yeah but this is what i'm saying like musicians are athletes i the only reason i won the jungle because when i did the all-stars and i was in there with actual athletes is because i've been locked in a practice room for eight

21:19Myleene Klass:nine hours every day and i've had to battle myself i was just gonna say the discipline yeah so i just

21:28John Reynolds:know whatever you put in front of me i will get through it and i know some people like that quality

21:34Myleene Klass:and some people find it a bit intimidating yes which is also fine so much of what makes you you is earned like i'd say all of it but i want to just open something up my um i've always been well traveled my my parents we were always away my father would work in uh geneva brussels grandparents have been stationed uh raf and navy around the world you navy brat yeah that's so No, sorry, Army and RAF. So, but that gave me an understanding of the world through all the years where there was a real respect and a feeling of the fact that I lived in a world because, you know, in the day, England's a very small little place in a great big world.

22:13Myleene Klass:But what I've been able to do by taking my two daughters, traveling a lot, is interact with all sorts of different people. And we used to go to Dubai a lot. And we used to go to the Atlantis Hotel.

22:23John Reynolds:You're only going to interact with Essex.

22:27Myleene Klass:no i don't know who you're going to find there well the the staff that predominantly are filipino

22:33John Reynolds:of course and that's where i was going with this and bangladeshi they are the hardest working people

22:38Myleene Klass:they have the biggest smile yeah which um lights you up makes you feel good they can't do enough for you and uh one particular i'll call out joanna who's sort of head of concierge at the atlantis um would make such a fuss of my girls from the ages two three four five years old coming through and so i feel like that cultural piece that going back to how you were made to feel and treated and kids kids doing things to you and so on um i feel like that's changing with the way that that whole cultural piece and social media brings that in because maybe there was an insular tribal element to how everyone was growing up around the world that creates that i wondered if you through the through the awareness you've done and so we talked about earlier but also that piece uh where the world is now joined up through social media do you feel like that's changing or do you still put the tribal parts where kids are isolated for being different?

23:29John Reynolds:It's interesting because, you know, you're a white cis male. You're going to have a very different view on the world. We might go to the same place, but we will see things very differently. Yes. And, you know, to have a Filipino mother and to realise the strengths that she brings and how brave it must have been for her to get on a plane, save up the ticket. She came with the Rindrush generation, but so much has been concentrated on the West Indies and not so much on what the Filipino community had to do. They just kind of just felt that Filipinos are just sort of omnipresent. They've just always been in the NHS.

24:07John Reynolds:If you pulled out the Filipino community from the NHS, it would collapse. It is just known. It's a fact. And what breaks my heart now, because if you look at what that community does and how they work, I can't even stress to you they don't even work shifts they sleep shifts they now in order to be able to still continue to support their families because you know the structure of the world as we know isn't fair but in order to support their families they now will share not even just rooms but beds and share the shift of the bed share the shift of the room share the shift of the workload I wish people would understand that because there's still so much racism in the um in the healthcare system in the service people don't always want to be treated by Filipinos or the community that that isn't what they deem their own even if it means saving their life I've seen it firsthand not only because my mum worked in the NHS and I was brought up by that community.

25:06John Reynolds:I've graduated recently with St John Ambulance. I work tirelessly with Tommies in women's health care for women with miscarriage. And I'm in and out of hospitals as much as I am in and out of parliament now. And these stories are prolific. And they're every Friday night in triage. And it's down to all of us to still keep making sure that you lift people up, you recognise what they are and who they are. I cannot tell you how important it is to be an ally. We can't do it for ourselves. We can't just do it alone. And so to say that things have changed, it's a nice thing to believe. But I'm going to tell you now, they haven't.

25:44John Reynolds:Much rather than with the truth. They are just better hidden. And the Asian community in particular, the Southeast Asian community, the East Asian community, they have been taught not to rock the boat. I'll probably get in trouble for doing this now. I'm rocking. This is seen as rocking the boat. You know, just don't make a fuss.

26:03Myleene Klass:You're championing people and raising awareness.

26:05John Reynolds:Well, I know what I needed. They say you become the adult that your child self needed. Yes. And I needed somebody to say, that's not okay. Or she doesn't have a voice. My school report said when I was seven years old, which has gone down very well in my family now, if Marlene's name wasn't in the register, we wouldn't know she was in the class. I was so frightened of speaking.

26:28Myleene Klass:Do you know what? To flip that and to bring into the conversation that you've recently been awarded and MVE for what you've done to not just raise awareness, but to make changes. And I think that's probably, you know, from the seven-year-old to everything you just said, and thank you for sharing that about the Eastern London Asian community and so on, and actually amplifying people that don't necessarily get talked about enough, you know, and feel sidelined to then go through your own journey with miscarriage, to then call out the fact that the system's failing so many women and broken.

27:02John Reynolds:There is a system, you know, in order to say there's a system that's failing, that would imply there's a system. There is nothing. There is, if I told you that miscarriage in women's health care, anything to do with fertility health care, it is the last place where there is no data collected. So I know where you bought your shoes. I know Yeah, where you like to eat I know the ratings you've probably given it because everything all of this information is garnered and we're taught to be careful with our data And yet there's zero data that babies Have lost their lives. I can only estimate that it's 20 ,000 per month and an estimate is very dangerous because it tells you when you know the means So they're probably more so the fact that we have not bothered to count these women so we keep telling them they're so important your voice is important we hear you well prove it and i say this every day that i'm in parliament well if you really care about us count us count our voices and count our dead babies

28:02Myleene Klass:and they haven't changed them so if it's if it's that bad it's not bad what what can you do because

28:08John Reynolds:you're a change maker you are you are working on it yes what's what's the first thing that you

28:12Myleene Klass:because there's probably a lot of interest people watching listening and feeling that but like what

28:16John Reynolds:what can you try and bring in listen the chances are that you know in this room here where there's two women it'll be it's it's 50 so i can tell you now and i'm i definitely know for myself that it's that it's me right now that i'm definitely that 50 of the women who represent miscarriage you know you walk into any room you can just divide it in half they'll either have had a miscarriage or have some experience of it so my auntie who kept the secret for 50 years my sister my best friend all the community around me there are so many of us who've kept this taboo this deep dark secret of miscarriage because let's be honest who wants to talk about dead babies is a horrible deep dark heartbreaking subject and that's the reason we have to talk about it because we're not being catered for the change comes under something called the graded model of care that i'm helping to roll out which is actually and i talked to the king kaplunk there's a good name drop but i talked to the king about this well look that was my moment to speak to him so i could have actually

29:14Myleene Klass:have said you know massive respect love what you've done with the play have your moments i did yeah i grabbed it and you earned the place to be there well i you know he said you know so you know

29:23John Reynolds:tell me where you are at the moment on this path and i told him i said you wouldn't wait for three consecutive heart attacks before you expected to receive medical intervention and yet that's what you expect for women at the moment you have to have three consecutive miscarriages before you get any kind of help it's a postcode lottery so if you miscarry let's say at the moment in Scotland not over the weekend because that's when the EPUs early pregnancy units are closed and if you miscarry in the night, they're closed by five, it's a postcode lottery. You could be sent to triage. Then you have to somebody, some poor nurse has to decide, is a woman losing her baby more important or less important than the man having a heart attack and the drunken guy that's had his nose broken?

30:06John Reynolds:It's not fair. That woman doesn't belong in triage. She belongs with an EPU. She belongs with someone who can give her the care and recognise the care she needs. And also there's no speciality care because you can go to your GP, they don't know that 8 ,500 people can have something that is called progesterone, which means we can save eight and a half thousand babies per year. They might be eligible for it. There's just loads of nuances. It's not as black and white as if we give them this, they'll get their baby because every woman's different. And the third part is data collection. How can we help X amount of women when we don't know how many women there are?

30:39John Reynolds:And the knock-on effect of that is huge because economically, these women can't come into work. Their partners can't come into work. We've only just now changed legislation. So you don't have to sign off sick. You can actually say i'm grieving a death it's a bereavement but until only three weeks ago four weeks ago did you influence that yeah absolutely so it'll by 2027 it will be um uh across all workforces it'll be

31:08Myleene Klass:mandatory this is work far bigger than you right i mean this is going to outlive me which is what

31:12John Reynolds:it should do and i'm hoping it'll get to the point where my daughters and my son well you know it It could well happen to him. The chances are, out of three, it will happen to two of them. So, you know, I hope that they'll say, God, do you remember mum used to go on about such and such at the dinner table? It's so good that, you know, it doesn't even happen anymore.

31:32Myleene Klass:Yeah, they won't know it now, but that's legacy work, that is.

31:35John Reynolds:Well, maybe in the nicest possible way, never know it. Maybe, I'm hoping I can still beat them to the finishing line. So by the time they're having their own children, there'll be even more changes. Gosh, yeah.

31:47Myleene Klass:I mean, just anything I can do to help you at all there. Anyone I know, anything that would help you, as you say, that's proper legacy work.

31:54John Reynolds:You're, the fact that you're saying the word miscarriage right now, a word that nobody wanted to say, you know, it's whispered. Those words are whispered. When I walked into the palace for my MBE, all you can think about is these walls are reverberating with the women that have suffered miscarriages through the centuries and had to hide it. You know, You're going into work now and you're working as a boss, you're a father, you're a husband, you work with women and you work with the men who have to deal with the psychological and it's, you know, trauma.

32:25Myleene Klass:I've been around quite recently, friends who've gone through it from a male point of view and it's heartbreaking. Heartbreaking.

32:32John Reynolds:Because no one knows what to say. I found that interesting too because even the language around it should change. People don't know what to say at the best of times when there's a bereavement, but you can look back fondly or maybe not so fondly but you you you always know the script when someone's lost their grandmother you know it was her time or she lived a good life you know but what do you say when someone hasn't lived their life they didn't even get to breathe they didn't get their fur they we don't know their voice it's like the torture of missing that entity it's the the what ifs it's the not knowing yeah it's a torture that's just an indescribable

33:11Myleene Klass:because it has no and the torture lives with the the the parents left if that makes sense so that's the you know what i mean it's like the what ifs um yeah they just catch you like grief does so

33:22John Reynolds:you'll be like oh they'd be starting school today oh you know i would love to see what friends they would have had or what they could have done or who they would have been it's it's those things

33:30Myleene Klass:that catch you yes i have a huge respect for you i mean you know you call me out for saying miscarriage and i'm listening thinking i just want to learn i'm leaning into this because i'm actually curious i'm learning from you real time i've just been through uh being diagnosed of adhd now i haven't thought about this at all in 47 years and then started to spend time around entrepreneurs and um high performing people that all you sort of realize all on the spectrum somewhere. And then these conversations become more and more relatable. And I do that, I'm like this and so on. And you think, well, I got it.

34:02Myleene Klass:And you find out you've got it. Then I tell people about it. I put posts out about it. And then people are messaging me saying, you're so brave to say you've got an issue. And I'm like, what? I've been diagnosed. Well, I can't say it because I've lost my job. And so on. We live in a world where there's still so much...

34:15John Reynolds:Intolerance.

34:16Myleene Klass:Yeah, and intolerance and judgment.

34:18John Reynolds:Bei Amazon bekommen Mitarbeitende wie ich jedes Jahr 4.500 Euro für berufliche Weiterbildung. I started at the logistics center and knew I could continue to grow, for example in robotics. That's how my job is a career. Amazon opens doors with up to 4.500€ per year for professional education. The participation conditions are required. Well, I guess it's the unconventional because we were taught that, and I get why we're taught that way. And by the way, I've got very close experience with Zen within my own family. so without betraying you know too much at this point but i understand exactly what you're saying i think that we have an education system and this is not you know bashing the educational system it's just recognizing that it's not for everyone to have that way of learning one size does not fit all well i think when you look at the adhd brain actually allows you to do you know i would have been in the cave for sure going right is everybody warm is everyone fed going to your lovely paintings on the mammoths and then go to bed but the adhd brain will go i'm hungry this can't be all there is to it i'm going out of the cave they're the reason we got the berries they're the reason that we actually strive for things that some people might say listen i'm quite comfortable here why why change it why fix it because they'll just see a different avenue because they just got different eyes and both fit in perfectly in the society we have they they actually they complement each other the problem is where you get your initial learnings which is in a conventional you know desk at a school in front of a board in front of somebody speaking for two and a half hours without giving you breaks and putting you into these tricky situations of exams and pressure and time stipulations the adhd brain is tested um in the conventional sense as opposed to you know in a broader sense as to you know sky's the limit what would you do here totally which is

36:15Myleene Klass:a good way of relating why i struggled at school i was looking out the window wanting to be out there doing something rather than learning algebra and so on and then getting into trouble for it and then being labeled bad but that's a whole separate conversation yeah um there are so many things you've done that in any one way um could be described as successful and you didn't answer that question earlier actually when i brought up the role model piece in where you sit with it on this occasion i'm going to call you successful i'd love to know what your definition of success is

36:43John Reynolds:oh my definition has changed so before um when i was that girl growing up in norfolk i thought i'd be buying my mum a dishwasher i was like i make it to those lofty heights i'm going to buy dishwasher um and as i've grown up um you know my name when people say oh you can get yourself you know a table at any restaurant and you know how's fame changed you and all of these things i've realized the power of a name you can get so much more than a restaurant i've been able to get my friends you know a foothold into the housing market get my another friend the ivf she needed because she'd run out of money for her child and to um now see that child growing up um to be able to help my cousin retrain from his job in fashion to become a horticulturist to you know be able to pay for you know family members operations it's like if you actually look at what you can do with your success if you can bring everybody else up with you i mentioned this before but it can be really lonely when people say it's lonely at the top it can be really lonely and I learned this in hearsay when you've finally got what my daughter's called adult money you've got a little bit of expendable cash and you've got no one to share it with because you're on tour we were playing Wembley we were traveling around and my friends were all in uni at the time and you know they were still budgeting with their their student loans and all sorts and I just realized that actually I trust my community I trust the people around me and I lift them up and they lift me up they've supported me through you know some of the darkest hours and it wasn't about money and it wasn't about access the things I could get myself it was things I couldn't do for myself you know and they supported me through that so it was about building a community and I think if you know when they say you come into the world with nothing you leave with nothing and when we're seeing what the world is shaped by and who it's shaped by at the moment and it really just shows you that you know people who do good things with money it's incredible those who don't do great things with money can it can you know be the devil's work but i i think success has been have having that community around me um and having my children having my family there's if i've got my children i don't need anything else i can feel that but also i can

39:05Myleene Klass:feel that those around you that are lucky enough to call themselves friends have someone that is um so looking out for them because i'll go into battle oh my god yeah and help them yeah um and willingly right you know that question that i ask people about success is often then about an achievement there's so many things you could have said right but it all became about how you can help other people and i love the loneliness piece as well that there are kind of people you want to be the best it's like and not share it with anyone as well right you know you your private jet that you sit on and you go and sit on the island on your own i don't have an island or a private jet i'm not one of them no no no sorry i'm amplifying but you know you get my point like extreme money which is it can be associated with success and it's like well actually you're happy because you're spending it on your own or with potentially people that are in any way not your kind of people and that community piece that you just described i bet that's um you've created that uh and you probably got quite because of that resilience piece as well you probably got quite uh strong boundaries around it and and then people i don't say earn their way in but you know what i mean you've got really good self-awareness and you've got really good um intellect if you like

40:14John Reynolds:to be able to say that these people have got the right always and i you've learned that right i've learned the hard way of course and it's often money is of a huge player in how people have taken

40:26Myleene Klass:advantage of me huge and i read somewhere about the hearsay journey which was such a rocket ship success story but with so many people that were just one way or another pulling getting handouts and getting paid and in the end of the day you know you weren't actually getting paid to be the artist if you like part of a group i think it's just about knowing what your rights are look i'm

40:47John Reynolds:a i'm a visiting lecturer at the academy the royal academy of music and i go in and um my first lesson with them actually is is not workshopping their pieces as much as i love getting to that point and doing the master classes with them i actually talk business because as women particularly we have not been raised um with uh the language for finance you know i don't want to talk about that i don't ask for that you know as of the 29th of november we work for free so if you're saying things have changed they haven't changed enough until we have equality until we're all over that line until your daughters are not working for free as of the 29th of November and they are valued you know and shown that value from a financial perspective that's that's the only time things can change so I think to have that financial literacy I go in and I talk about business I talk about what PRS is and how to get your money from a global perspective if you've played on this album they play it in Germany or what what should you be charging I love that the boys go into the old boys clubs and they're like I got this much money So everyone immediately knows what their worth is and they don't undercut because they're like, OK, I can match that or somebody will give me a little bit over that.

42:01John Reynolds:But as women, we don't have that luxury. We just don't have that because we've never had the foothold in the first place historically as the homemakers traditionally to be able to have that kind of finance to hand. Now, this is the first generation that's been able to change that and get their bank accounts and to be able to, you know, to be able to work and have their children, which, by the way, is really hard. That brings its own struggles and guilt and everything else, which the guys don't seem to have. I mean, you're getting both barrels here, but you're just the guy and we have the conversation.

42:40Myleene Klass:I have a wife who's absolutely, you know, rightly so, big fan of yours. So that role model piece, which is where you sit in my family, talked about, and information that you shared and shared into my sort of girls growing up, if you like. You can't be what you can't see. So what you're really saying is, you know, and so that actually, you know, sort of proves my point. You are a role model. You are actively being someone that's visible, that's putting out intelligent information, business-led information that wasn't there before. And that's really important.

43:11John Reynolds:But if you say to a girl now, and I make sure musicians get what they're owed, you know, you don't have to be astronomical with it. You know, it's just get what you're worth, get what you're owed. Don't think that exposure is going to pay your bills and that somebody can, you know, I'm going to give you this exposure. I can't eat exposure. I can't pay my mortgage with exposure. You know, you have to get what your worth is. And I just think that I've seen so many mediocre people who have asked for, you know, an exorbitant amount of cash and gotten it because, you know, God loves a trier. Whereas I've seen so many, particularly women, because it's sort of how we're sort of trained up.

43:52John Reynolds:It's sort of in our psyche. Who will say, oh, no, I couldn't possibly do that. Oh, I haven't got the training for that. Like, you know, it's such a just a different mentality. So I love.

44:02Myleene Klass:It's a self-worth piece, isn't it?

44:03John Reynolds:Well, I learned in order to be able to do business at these tables, I learned from how these guys operate. Yeah, I can do that. If you can say you can do it, I can do it too. If you can do it, I can definitely do it. And it's that. You know, it sort of rubs off on you.

44:18Myleene Klass:Yes.

44:19John Reynolds:Yeah, I'll give it a go.

44:20Myleene Klass:Yeah, I love that. It's really important. That's how you learn as well. Some people would not relate to that. You sit and go, well, if you can do it, I can do it. And without in any way the judgment piece, you're backing yourself. Well, I'm more than capable.

44:31John Reynolds:I'll read the book.

44:32Myleene Klass:Yes.

44:33John Reynolds:I'll learn the skill and if I don't well I learned something anyway I shouldn't do that no exactly

44:38Myleene Klass:you learn by you're not going to learn by standing still right and I love the fact that that's a key part that it comes with hard work I feel like your work ethic is unbelievable and I want to touch on that actually so whether it's wanting to find out how to do something and then reading the book listening to podcast and kind of then going and trying it it's clear you like to keep fit and it's clear that you've got a glint in your eye fully present now i want to know what you do that you sort of prioritize for both your mental and your physical fitness and how you make time

45:07John Reynolds:for it whether the morning routine it's so so hot it's your super busy yeah but then i think everybody is there's that quote isn't there that you know you've got the same hours that beyonce's got i'm like yes we've all got 24 hours like beyonce but we haven't all got beyonce's chef and you know lifestyle and assistance and help and finance so immediately we're being penalized on compared to beyonce but penalized on what we don't have that is akin to beyonce and so i think immediately that that pressure's got to come off women as well i mean i'm a woman in public eye i feel that pressure all the time i get compared to myself i get compared to my younger self you know i've been selling bikinis for 17 years you know i'm 47 years old i never thought 17 18 no oh my god it's longer 18 19 this year i've been selling bikinis for 21 years and so people will then juxtapose a photo of marlene in the jungle with marlene now and i'm like god it's one thing being compared to all the supermodels who sell bikinis or other all the other influences and women who sell bikinis i'm being compared to my you know self 21 years prior So that's bonkers.

46:18John Reynolds:So actually, it weirdly takes away the pressure because I think, well, I'm still trailblazing because, you know, I'm not following anybody there.

46:27Myleene Klass:Love the trailblazing.

46:27John Reynolds:So that's the only way I can look at that bit. But I try and incorporate as much sort of physical activity as I can into my day.

46:37Myleene Klass:So you build it into the day. Yeah. So no day's the same, but at some point...

46:41John Reynolds:No, but I am... I'm at a certain age now where we have to do weights. So that's my new thing. I'm doing weights. It's really funny actually the day my son he nearly got caught in the tube doors, you know, when you're like running through and I was holding his hand. So I had to pry the doors open and bless him. He said, he went, oh, thank goodness you did your weights this morning. And this woman next to him, she burst out laughing and I think, bless me, it was a bit embarrassing. But he didn't realise it was just a funny joke. No, I get it. But yeah, I had done my weights that morning and it's what they see, isn't it?

47:11John Reynolds:He correlated. he managed to make the connection of oh she pried open the doors like superman because yeah she's

47:17Myleene Klass:done her weight and what about that the mental piece the bit that where there's a lot of noise in your life teenage kids um the uh the sort of buzz of a lot of the work that you do if you like how do you do you choose to remove yourself at times and just give yourself some peace and what

47:33John Reynolds:does that look like oh god i'm like every mom i try and find peace in the shower and then everyone comes and has a mother's meeting and has a chat with me and have you seen this did you did you I need to wash this jumper. Do you know where my homework's gone?" I think it's very difficult for any... I can only speak as a mom. Yeah. Just to find that time alone. And I kind of weirdly...

47:53Myleene Klass:You thrive on the... I do. I do. Look at me giving it.

47:56John Reynolds:I thrive on the chaos. I love the noise.

47:58Myleene Klass:Almost like you don't need it, but maybe those few seconds in the shower and the bits that you do get actually just... Because you've got a really quick brain, right? So maybe that little bit of reset, a little bit of time, you're doing it maybe a car journey.

48:10John Reynolds:just uh you know i do try and fill my time and my friends do critique or look out for me and say look you do need to put some more time aside for yourself and i think if there was a lesson i could learn it might be that but i probably don't know how to no i just i don't know i'd always

48:25Myleene Klass:it worked for you though i have uh people say that to me different we have different lives but there's an element of like i can't help but sort of almost like someone's just said something to me i know i can help them so i'm going to do that yeah i've also got i've got a job list of these 20

48:39John Reynolds:things to do and so on but i've got lists all around the house but it might be catholic guilt it could be being you know it could be asian asian workforce navy brat it's just a combination of all

48:47Myleene Klass:of them well i've loved this chat we're nearly out of time but i know how busy you are so i want to thank you for making time to come and film me today no i think um i think what you're doing is

48:58John Reynolds:i think it's remarkable because to be able to say the words miscarriage or champion women in business like i said it comes from allies because we can't do it ourselves and i think that in a world that just you know feels quite lost to so many rightly so at the moment there's also so much positivity that's where it breaks through and that's where i can keep showing that to my kids so i think that it's interesting someone said to me that it isn't going to be about what you've said to your kids and they're right it's not it's gonna my children and it's a weird one my children are not going to expect to be treated the way I've treated them they are going to copy how I've treated myself um and that's I think that's kind of flipped the script quite a lot thinking of that because it's true I don't think oh my mum did this for me my mum did that for me I always think you know about my first experience of what love looks like was my mum and dad's blueprint and what work looked like was what i saw at home it wasn't them saying you know go and get a job no because that just that's just words it's about what was being shown to me what's the same people don't do what

50:11Myleene Klass:they what you say they do oh my daddy said that all the time don't do as i don't do as i do do as

50:16John Reynolds:i say and then i'd go and like go and light the pilot light or go and figure out how to put spark plugs into the car because that's what I saw him doing all the time yeah but your your example

50:25Myleene Klass:setting and your uh just just who you are and where you're going is so inspirational I wanted to say that to you because that's me um already with the perception of what looking forward to this conversation then absolutely having that experience with you now but knowing that you're so important to so many people oh thank you Mylene I've loved this conversation thank you so much

50:48John Reynolds:I mean, my teams would not agree, but sorry. They'd be like, oh, another TED talk.

50:53Myleene Klass:Our teams don't agree with us at all, right?

50:55John Reynolds:That means we're doing a good job.

50:56Myleene Klass:Yeah, we must do this again.

50:57John Reynolds:That's good, definitely.

50:59Myleene Klass:Thank you, Marlene.

50:59John Reynolds:Thank you.