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27:07Welcome back to another day. This episode has turned into a two-day record after workmen cut through the internet cables where I'm on holiday. And since then, Jolien has shaved. Hinch has taken a plane. I, for continuity's sake, am wearing the same shirt as yesterday. I mean, Hinch, where are you now?

27:28James Hinchcliffe:Well, I've had to relocate from my home in Indianapolis to Markham, Ontario, for the IndyCar race this weekend. But TC, I'm not sure it was a continuity move. I think when you're on vacation, you just like sticking to one outfit and keeping it very easy when you travel. You travel light on vacation. Busted. Do you want to see what I'm wearing down? No, no. Does lightning strike twice? I mean, let's get on with it in case those hammer drills go astray. Again, there are 546 points still up for grabs over the remaining races. So who else can challenge for the world title in 2026? We've talked about the top three in the table.

28:09Who else is still in the running, guys?

28:11James Hinchcliffe:It's again, it's as I've been saying for a day now for 24 hours now, it's just it's so hard to predict just because every week as a team brings a new set of upgrades, it does sort of change the pecking order. You look at what Lando did in Hungary, dominant win from pole, not just win, but an absolutely crushing performance. it's uh you know in a newly upgraded mclaren uh we know how good that team has been traditionally over the last you know three years four years in terms of bringing upgrades and them working successfully and uh if they can continue that pace of development you know we know that it's good at that type of track we sort of spoke about how zanevort should be a competitive outing for them question marks are going to be how does it do at a place like baku how does it do at a place like Monza there are still you know some big some big question marks to come but that if you know we're going off a data sample of one but if that sort of pace and performance is is repeatable then you know Lando could certainly enter that conversation well both Lando and Charles Leclerc are within 100 points of Antonelli closer to the leader than Max was at the same time

29:24Jolyon Palmer:last year that's our new benchmark for for who could possibly win a title if you could be within 100 points then you never know by Abu Dhabi I I don't I just think it's the top three for me I don't see Charles getting there I've said it for a while I don't I think he's lost too many points at the start of the year and I don't I don't see Lando getting there from from this far off in the McLaren either so I'm really impressed with what Lando's doing actually I was looking through and probably four of the last five races his performance has been almost faultless uh and he won obviously in in Hungary delivering when the car was good but when the car wasn't good he was still getting points got podiums so I'm really impressed with him but I think McLaren have have left themselves too much work to do the DNS is early on the reliability problems that both drivers had I don't see them coming back into this from from this far back but they can of course be a thorn in the side of of an antonelli a hamilton or a russell while we're talking mclaren i mean let's a word on piastri can he re-find his form from well certainly from last year even early this year he seems to have gone off the boil in the last five races i think it's very possible

30:36James Hinchcliffe:you just look at the reverse situation a year ago right where it looked like lando had sort of lost you know his stride a little bit and oscar was sort of dominating within the team and then And seemingly overnight, the power shifted, the dynamic shifted, and the momentum shifted in Lando's favor. I think the two are close enough that absolutely Oscar could find that form again and be a little bit closer to Lando or even ahead of him if he finds that perfect form.

30:59Jolyon Palmer:The interesting thing for me on Oscar is when you look at his career against Lando, it was the first half of last year that he was immense, wasn't he? And he was putting in that run of form that we thought would lead him to a championship. Aside from that, he's now had sort of three years where he's been a little bit in the shadow of Lando, but with some good performances. So in 2024, he had a great couple of wins, but he was very much in the shadow of Lando. The year before that, he was a rookie and there was a lot more work to do. And this year, it feels again like he's fallen into the shadow of Lando.

31:33Jolyon Palmer:So I'm interested more than having any answers right now. if Oscar can establish himself as the equal of Norris, or if he's just starting to fall back into the guy that can get close on a good day, but not necessarily be at the highs of Lando. I mean, there's a massive difference in experience between Lando and Oscar. I mean, how long can we say, well, you know, Oscar's still fairly new, or do you think he's got enough miles under his belt now? He's done loads, TC. He's done loads. He's year four now. He's fought for a championship. He's won countless race wins. He's taken pole positions. We've had reg change now that's obviously a test for everyone.

32:15Jolyon Palmer:But you can't always say the one with less experience is just less experience. It's factually true, but it's not an excuse. It's the same, you know, Leclerc's got less experience than Hamilton. It doesn't matter at a certain point. Kimi and George, you know, where do we draw that line, right? look on the topic of um leclerc he was strong first second and fourth in the last three races but he looked a little bit off in hungary do you think he's going to come back confident that his car issues earlier in the year are behind him i think he's found a good form in the last few races i mean hungary he was a bit off but you've got to remember that is a lewis hamilton track down to a t so i think there will be an ebb and flow i'd like i've we've already mentioned you know lewis has made a huge step this year uh they're on an even keel so we need to sort of reset our lenses on what charles should be capable of probably and i think he's getting back to a consistent place so again i don't think it'll be enough to mount a title challenge but i think we'll see him probably finding another win probably pushing more for for wins and podiums regularly and and certainly that just that slump of races it looks like that is that is behind him Okay, we're going to Zanvil this weekend.

33:30So we've got to talk about the home hero, Max Verstappen. First of all, bigger picture stuff with him. Three podiums in the last four races doesn't look too bad on paper, but he did describe that P2 in Hungary as unbelievable, as in how did we do that? How far off are he and Red Bull? Do you think they're edging closer or is it still quite a gap?

33:52Jolyon Palmer:You know, the incredible thing with Max, it should have been four because Silverstone, he was on for P3. And then he had the rear wing issue at Stowe. So it should have actually been four podiums in a row. The car isn't there, but Max is finding his feet now with the regs, I think. The Red Bull are obviously upgrading, and he's able to keep getting points. And I think he'll get victory chances, but some circuits will suit them more than others. And Budapest, he was horrible there last year. It was a terrible race, and this year he's up in second place. So it shows actually the steps that they are making.

34:26James Hinchcliffe:Well, it's so interesting because we're in this part of the season, right? Where people have figured out the basics of the new regs of the power units. They've started to bring upgrades. I mean, not started. They're well into their upgrade plans by this point in the season. But here's a little bit of Palmer's analysis for you, right? Here we go. I can't take credit for doing the hard work on this one. I came across this stat, but I thought it was really fascinating. Had the championship started four races ago, and everybody was where they were with their cars, the top six in the championship would be covered by nine points.

35:05James Hinchcliffe:That is how even it has been over the last four races. So as everyone has started to find their feet, you say three should have been four podiums for Max, Leclerc having podiums won a race, Hamilton's won a race, now Lando's won a race. It is truly impressive how much it's kind of come back and forth over that stretch. and nine points would be the difference between the top six.

35:28Jolyon Palmer:That's a good start. And it bodes really well for the rest of the year, doesn't it? Even if you've got the Mercedes guys and Lewis with the advantage, that's the threat, isn't it? The Max Kang beat them. Both McLarens can get in front. That Charles and Lewis can be there. It's not just Mercedes walkovers now.

35:45James Hinchcliffe:Yeah, I think it's really great news for Kimi Antonelli because with that many cars being competitive, they're taking points away from each other. and that buffer that he has now is just so much more valuable when you're not just kind of racing one or maybe two other guys. Yeah, and on the subject of Max, do you think having a competitive teammate in Hadjar is, well, keeping him honest, but also helping drive development? Or for the last few years, is Max the only one giving that kind of direction?

36:15Jolyon Palmer:I can't imagine that Isaac Hadjar is having much say at all in what's going on at Red Bull still. I think he's done an impressive job to be close. I mean, he's now a couple of tenths away. So in the comparisons, that was what, half a second solidly that Max had over any of his teammates, which has come down to two, two and a half tenths. So it shows the job that Hajar's done and probably the less comfortable start of the season that Max has had. But if you're a Red Bull, you're still following the lead of Max, aren't you? As impressive as Hajar's been. Max is still the guy that's been on the podiums.

36:46Jolyon Palmer:Isaac's just waiting for it still. Max has been on the front row now a few times. He's been looking to have the highs that Isaac hasn't quite yet had. So they have to follow Max's lead, which has basically been the way they've operated now for nearly a decade.

36:59James Hinchcliffe:But I think the good news in it is that, you know, Hadjar said recently that he and Max are giving the same feedback. So at least they're feeling the same things in whatever direction Max can push the car. You know, Hadjar's feeling the same thing and hopefully it's benefiting him in the same way. But yeah, you have to lean. You ask any of those drivers that have come before Hadjar and some came with a lot more experience, they'll tell you they only ever listen to Max. That's just the deal over there, regardless of who's in the second car. Well, the grandstands this weekend are going to be orange.

37:33Lando Norris, I guarantee we'll say they're all papaya fans, but we all know that they're there for Max. It's the sixth and final Dutch Grand Prix of the modern era at Zanvoort. Let's talk about that racetrack. I mean, Julian, you must have done quite a bit of racing there in your time. 4.2 k's. Never, never, TC. Never, never.

37:54Jolyon Palmer:I've only been around on foot or on a bike. Yeah.

37:57James Hinchcliffe:I've actually raced at a European venue more than JP has. And that was what, A1 GP back in the day was. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Good car for it as well. Let me throw that question at you. JP, I'm so surprised to hear you say that. Yes. 72 laps, 4.2 Ks. I'm guessing the track has been reworked since you raced it. But I feel the vibe is the same as it was when you were there. Yeah, I mean, the vibe now, I'll be honest with you, this was a race I was supposed to work this year, but the IndyCar schedule changed. We added a race and I had to scratch it in the calendar and I was absolutely gutted because I love going to the place.

38:39James Hinchcliffe:And obviously being there for A1, that was an incredible atmosphere. Can't imagine what it's like on Formula One weekend with Max on the grid. they've reprofiled that last corner since, since we raced there way back when, some 20 years ago now, TC, but no fast, frantic long corners, pretty physical, you know, because there's really only one straight of any note. So you're constantly cornering. It's going to be a tough one for drivers, tough on tires, but just requires some big commitment. And you know, that, that first corner being banked, it's, it's always fun for an overtake. You can make it work on the inside, make it work on the outside uh like you see in in the bowl i think it's turn three turn four whatever they call it really quirky little place but the atmosphere is just a it's a three-day party isn't it i mean it's uh the dutch know how to have a good time at a racetrack so and knowing that it's the last one i think they're gonna they're gonna blow it out it's gonna be noisy

39:32Jolyon Palmer:who's it gonna suit jp i i still i think it'll be mclaren who will have a great chance again just because of the the sort of twistier nature of it mechanical grip's quite important you've got the quirks the undulations that the cambered corners obviously you throw mercedes in in the mix but i mean you've it's so close now that it could be it could you can't rule out max you certainly can't rule out ferrari who were very close to the front row as well in uh in well they should have whether on the front row could have been on pole in budapest so it's it's really wide open but i i think again this has been a great track for for lando in recent years so for me he might even start this one as as the favorite wow well look at look at the recent winners you've had what max max max lando and then oscar last year it's pretty exclusive club just red bull and mclaren yeah and i was gonna say that one of the like great bits of of the job is to be going down to park ferme to interview interview the drivers as soon as they take the helmet off and when you're down there you're obviously in zanvoort you've got this party atmosphere every day even on thursday the place is rocking so you're down there and i remember a couple of years ago max went provisional pole on the last laps and you're waiting to see who's going to be in the top three and the roar was something else and if max can do it this weekend i think it'll be it'll be unbelievable scenes well it's a chance also for us to talk about some of the other the other runners i mean racing bulls and alpine is a great little battle for p5 in the constructors just the five points separating them at the minute alpine have a big upgrade package coming this weekend they need it because rb have scored what is it in every race this year bar one hadjar of course finished on the podium for racing bulls uh last year how do you see that little scrap this weekend do you think rb will still have the advantage or do you think alpine might have enough it just sort of depends on this

41:29James Hinchcliffe:upgrade you know the the last one they brought i think of of some some substance was austria didn't quite pan out the way they were hoping. And I was speaking to Colopinto's engineer about how it just didn't give them quite as much performance as they were expecting. So if this one can kind of be that next step, it puts them back in the conversation. But you got to remember, I mean, the fact that RB just overtook Alpine in the Constructors' Championship last time out, that's off the back of Gasly having that podium in Monaco. So if you kind of take that outlier out, RB has been by far the more consistent team.

42:04James Hinchcliffe:I think both teammates have been contributing quite a bit to the points tally where with Alpine, Colopinto has been closer to Gasly, but still not really to that point when the car was good. So I still think it's advantaged RB unless this latest upgrade from Alpine is really something special.

42:21Jolyon Palmer:And guys, remember Hadjar was on the podium in that car last year, obviously different regs, but they've always had a car that's good mechanically. and the same the low speed circuits like a monaco they they go pretty well zanvort is is not that but again it's twistier in nature which i think will suit them a little bit more as well so i i fancy them to to stay ahead at least this weekend and it's a sprint so it's a bold one a sprint in zanvort to to uh get all your upgrades absolutely singing by the time you get to to qualifying even so i think for alpine they can recover but i i fancy rb with the way they're going to to keep the ball rolling this weekend.

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45:57Now look, there's two other teams I wanted to talk about on the show. One, Aston Martin, right? All eyes were on Aston in Hungary when they brought the Aero upgrade. it gave them a massive jump forward Alonso into Q2 for the first time this year Honda are bringing the power unit upgrade this weekend in Zanvoort I mean how okay it's not a power sensitive track but how high can they climb I mean can can they get towards fighting for points I'm expecting

46:29Jolyon Palmer:Honda because they're starting from such a low baseline they they have a chance to make big strides here and you've got to say the chassis side delivered fairly well for for aston in budapest so it's a great test of mechanical grip and and aero as well because it's such a twisty circuit you've got a nice flowing section in the middle and again i'm moving that forward to zanvo and i think it will work as well here so then it depends how much honda can can improve because some of the numbers still that they they were missing huge amounts of performance even in budapest which again is not power sensitive so i'm hoping that they can be fighting for for some fringe points maybe even this weekend if the upgrade is as promised hench do you think it's fair to say that aston will be the most improved team of 2026 yes but i'm not sure that's necessarily a fair way of looking at

47:26James Hinchcliffe:it you know if it's a pretty low bar when you start as poorly as they did the only thing more shocking than how they started would be if they weren't the most improved team after that so yeah for sure they they will be uh they already are i mean that's i mean that was such a massive jump uh in hungary and like you say there's still more to come on the pu side and and still more to develop on on the chassis side as we know when you bring an upgrade you don't figure the whole thing out and unlock every bit of performance in one go and they had such a massive you know list of things that they brought there's there's lots of uh optimization still to be done there so i I expect to see more out of the car itself.

48:02James Hinchcliffe:And then obviously we all wait to see what the what the BU has. And I wonder how much Alonso needs to see before he commits to 2027 with that team. I mean, I think he had a bit of a smile on his on his face in Hungary, didn't he? How much does he need to see from Honda to commit for one more year? I think if JP's right and they can be they can be flirting with points, you know, within the next couple of rounds. And again, that level of development and progression, you can see the graph now. And if you're Alonso, you can say, okay, now Nui's been here from the get-go. Honda figured out the early issues.

48:38James Hinchcliffe:We know that they're capable of building championship winning engines. We know that Adrian's capable of building championship winning cars. So if you can see that the process is working and the progress is there, I think that could be enough for him to sign back up. I mean, they're currently P10 in the Constructors' Championship. I'd say Williams look very vulnerable to be overtaken by Aston. They're P9, even Audi in P8, if they don't start maximising what they've got. I mean, I am fascinated to see how part two of this season plays out for Aston Martin.

49:13Jolyon Palmer:If Aston can even climb above 10th, it'll be an incredible recovery, given where they've been at. And they've not been even... The fact they've even got a point now is miraculous. So it's incredible. If they can dream of adding a... They need to get double digits to get beyond and then hope that no one else scores. So it feels a long shot, but you never know. And with the season being so long, they've got chances to upgrade again. It would just be an unbelievable turnaround. And I don't think Fernando's survived this brutal first half of a year for him to pack it in now. Surely he's keeping his head up because he knows.

49:49Jolyon Palmer:Let's go again and let's at least finish racing in Formula 1. Right, finally, can we talk Cadillac? Formula One never sleeps, not even during an enforced summer shutdown. And the news from Cadillac is that they've brought in Marcin Budkovsky as team principal, replacing Graham Loudon just six months into the team's debut season. Guys, love both of your thoughts. Hinch, why don't we start with you? How has that news been received in the US?

50:20James Hinchcliffe:I think very positively. You know, I think when you, in the same way we were just talking about Aston, you know, starting from fairly low and making big gains early. When you have a new program, a new rules package, a new anything, those big gains are kind of easy off the top or they're bigger gains, you know, early on. And I think we're kind of seeing that with the team as a whole. And so I think everybody's excited that there are changes being made to try to improve the competitiveness of the team. Everybody sort of agrees that they exceeded expectations and how they kind of showed up in the first part of the season.

50:58James Hinchcliffe:But showing up is not why they're going racing, right? They're going racing to win eventually. And so changes at some point have to be made and big gains hopefully can be made early in this project. Well, let me give you a resume of what Marcin has done in Formula One. He's been in and around the sport for 25 years. and on the face of it he has all the experience that Cadillac would want he's an aerodynamicist by trade having worked for Prost, Ferrari and McLaren he's also had regulatory experience with the FIA where he worked between 2014 and 2018 he's an exact contemporary of Laurel Mekies actually who was at the FIA at the same time and both of them were key figures behind the introduction of Halo in 2018.

51:44Marcin then became executive director and team principal of Alpine between 2018 and 2022. And more recently, he's got experience of the media as a pundit for Polish TV. So there isn't an area of the business that he hasn't touched, which has to be valuable, JP, for a team in his first season, right?

52:04Jolyon Palmer:I think his experience across the board and in and big teams as well and in the FIA is is valuable to especially to Cadillac so when you look at Graham Loudon's experience you you said it Hinch they've shown up and they've done a solid job and that is Graham Loudon's experience when he turned up with Virgin and Marussia and they turned up and they were on the grid and established Formula One team but I think with with Cadillac they obviously are more ambitious than Marussia were and Marching is is a guy that seems to have a lot of experience i don't really know him too well but uh but to be at the helm of alpine just after i left them so i didn't cross paths with him but it's great experience for him in a bigger team a big organization backed by reno so it'll be fascinating to see if they can progress and i still look at their pit wall when you get the shots of of cadillac and they've had a lot of things basic things go wrong which i think will be frustrating the the management there brake cooling being a perennial issue suspension failures just sort of basics that have have been teething problems that have cost them track time and then chance to develop the car as well because you're fixing parts you're eating into the cost cap but every time you see one of those things you pan to the pit wall and you see pat simmons you see nick chester and you think they've got some technical expertise already so adding martin i think can can be a good thing for them and And again, hopefully we'll see a few more strides because if Aston Martin are going to make this step forward, they are going to leave Cadillac alone at the back and suddenly the attention will turn a bit more to them.

53:39And Martin is going to be reunited with Chief Technical Officer Nick Chester with whom he worked at Renault. So he can hit the ground running with people like that. And actually he was a year ago, almost exactly, He was on F1 Nation with me reviewing the Dutch Grand Prix. And he does speak very well, very knowledgeably. He's worked with people like Oscar Piastri in the past at Alpine. So I'm excited for him. I'm a little...

54:09Jolyon Palmer:We keep plugging away and we speak well. Maybe we'll get a chance at a TV shot. I'm a little bit surprised. Guys, I'm a little bit surprised at the timing. I think Graham has even acknowledged there are different phases in the life of a Formula One team. And perhaps the guy who starts the whole thing isn't the person to take it on to win Grand Prix. But six months seems pretty sharp.

54:38James Hinchcliffe:It's six months of this year, but it's three years of the project, right? I mean, Graham's been with the organization for quite a while. And I think that's a very valid statement, right? There are going to be different phases. And to JP's point, Graham's strength was he's done this before. Start a team from scratch and get it on the grid. Um, I, I think, I think the important thing to remember about timing is that 2027 has already started. And if you try to wait until season's end to, you know, bring in the next person, if that was the goal, you're already sacrificing 2027. And that person doesn't really have a true influence, at least their own full control until 28.

55:21James Hinchcliffe:I don't think they want to wait that long. I think there's an understanding that, you know, 27 starts now and we want to be in a better position 12 months from now than we are currently. And that necessitates, you know, change sooner.

55:32Jolyon Palmer:Yeah, it's a shame for Graham Loudon, I think, who hasn't had a great opportunity to show what he can do when the team's up and running. But it is a signal of intent, isn't it, from the team that have got two experienced drivers. I mentioned the pit bull guys as well. Loads of experience and now a sort of technical expert at the helm. So I think it's good to see ambition from Cadillac. All right. Well, guys, thank you for the last two days. What an endurance, an endurance podcast. Let's do some podium predictions now. Let's have a sprint winner and top three for Sunday's race. Okay, sprint winner.

56:11James Hinchcliffe:I'm going to go George. I'm going to say, you know, one practice. they still i think have the most sorted package break's been good for him good personal news on his side he's refreshed he's recharged and then i do think just look at looking at statistics and having the short memory that you have to have in motorsports i think lando wins the race and i think he wins it from kimmy and lewis no i take it back i take it back we got to have max on the podium he wins it from kimmy and max all right actually just on a point the cars being a bit narrower we you guys said earlier how it's you know it's a narrow old school track it does that help overtaking or are the margins that you know is the margins too small when it comes to narrower cars fractionally better maybe but okay because they're fractionally narrower yeah it's it's about

57:07Jolyon Palmer:the way that they can follow each other this circuit i'm excited for because i think it's a great zanvo is a great advert for what you can do with a classic track to make it raceable in modern formula one it's not super power sensitive overtake mode should be quite helpful the car should be able to follow a bit closer i'm hopeful we'll get more great racing and it's been a good race track as well i think norris wins the sprint i think norris starts well wins the sprint i'll go i'll go kimmy wins the wins the grand prix from lando and max i agree with the top three i think that's the top three.

57:41I'm going to chuck Ferrari in there. I agree with you guys. I think Norris is going to carry on where he left off before the summer break. I think he'll win the sprint and I think he'll win the Grand Prix. But I'm going to throw in Leclerc and Hamilton. I think Ferrari are going to be really strong. I think Leclerc will be ahead of Hamilton actually. He's always been really, really good at Zandvoort. He's had a couple of podiums already. So I think it's going to be Ferrari getting their mojo back no mercedes on the podium no mercedes well mercedes i know it's completely different regs but mercedes over the last five years haven't had a stellar record at zanvort i know they've got the dominant car but i just think what we saw from mclaren last time out was was too strong and i think this is a this is a ferrari kind of track well that'll change the conversation by the time we turn up to monza then well come on and then that'll be perfect leading into monza where we're

58:39Jolyon Palmer:obviously going to have a ferrari one too right yeah yeah all right well guys thanks again great to see you both after the holes go well over there in canada hench there you there you and uh and jp see you on the ground see you on the ground i'll get another lap on foot going just to build up that bank of knowledge for the next year's podcast yeah yeah let's do it i mean let's seriously do we talk about this a lot but uh i think we should do it thursday night track run night it's a short lap okay i'm preparing for a half marathon actually so um oh you're doing 15 laps for you yes all right guys well in selected countries you can watch all the racing at zanville on f1 tv and on apple tv in the u.s and you'll hear joe leon on commentary as well and you can keep across all the action at f1.com the f1 app and at f1 on social media my guest on this week's f1 beyond the grid podcast is 1996 world champion damon hill who reflects on his title success of 30 years ago and what i found particularly fascinating about our chat was how he picked himself up after a very disappointing campaign in 1995 lots of lessons there that shows out on wednesday and you can watch our chat on the f1 youtube channel so please do check that out but thank you very much for listening and we will of course be back on monday with our review of the dutch grand prix so we'll speak to you then f1 nation is produced by formula one and audio boom studio

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1:01:40James Hinchcliffe:This is Amy Brown from Feeling Things with Amy and Kat. Back to school season always feels like a fresh start, not just for kids, but for all of us. It's a great reminder to create new routines and find meaningful ways to connect with our family, friends and community. Hasbro games make it easy to gather around the table. Put the screens away, share some laughs, and create joyful memories together. Whether it's Monopoly, Connect Four, Guess Who, or another family favorite, there's something for everyone. You can find these and other Hasbro favorites at your local Walmart, walmart.com, or simply tap the link in today's show notes to bring more play into your week.

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