DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, Mayor Jacob Frey, Senator Mark Warner, Rep. Mike Turner

22:11Margaret Brennan:You said occupying force. Don't you think that's a bit much? I mean, look, you can go through whatever rhetorical flourish you want, But when you have 3 ,000 ICE agents and border control come to the city, when you've got this supposed threat of 1 ,500 military coming to the city, yeah, that's very much what it feels like. When you outnumber local police officers five and six to one, that is the vibe. And so the bottom line is if the goal were safety, this is not how you get there. If the goal is safety, I can give you a very antidote to some of the violence that we're seeing. It's have them leave.

22:57Margaret Brennan:Well, they argue, the administration that is, that this is a sanctuary county and a sanctuary city, and they are enforcing federal immigration law, and that, therefore, this is called for, that they're cleaning up a mess that the last administration created. I mean, is how do you prescribe in this unprecedented situation for local and federal officials to work together here? We have worked together. We do work together when this is about getting murderers and rapists and all the other bad stuff that Kristi Noem just said off the street. We have worked with the DEA and the FBI. We have worked with the ATF and the U.S.

23:42Attorney's Office to drive down crime. get violent criminals off the streets. And on the north side, shootings are the lowest that they've ever been, I believe, on record. And so nobody's against that. But that is not this. This is not about safety. What this is about is coming into our city by the thousands and terrorizing people simply because they're Latino or Somali. And yeah, people in Minneapolis are speaking up. They're speaking up peacefully. They're standing up for their neighbors. And this is not just about resisting Trump. This is about loving and caring for the people that call this city home.

24:17And it's been inspiring.

24:18Margaret Brennan:Well, on the ICE actions themselves, your attorney general out in Minnesota, Keith Ellison, has asked Minnesotans to gather information about federal actions and post them on his website. What's the intent of those incident reports? And And I understand in theory what this is, but if you are saying that it is not safe for civilians to be inserting themselves in enforcement operations or even surrounding enforcement operations, aren't you asking them to do something that is endangering them? No, civilians should not be involved in enforcement operations. Taking a cell phone out and videotaping what's going on is not enforcement.

25:04that's transparency. You know, sunlight can be the best disinfectant. And in this case, yeah, they're disinfecting some of the really horrible things that are taking place on our street because, you know, to the extent that ICE agents are doing things that are unconstitutional, by the way, they are. This is their opportunity to make sure that it is seen, that it is judged, and that we get our day in court. They do.

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27:13Margaret Brennan:Welcome back to Face the Nation. For more from our new CBS poll, we're joined now by our Executive Director of Elections and Surveys, Anthony Salvato. Anthony, a lot of focus on immigration here this morning. That issue, the mass deportation election promise from President Trump, it used to really be a winning one for him. He began the term with majority support. He's now down to 46 percent approval. What accounts for that drop? So for the program, it's about the who and the how that's driving views of it. And here's what I mean. The who. Who do people think the administration is targeting for deportation?

27:53It used to be more people thought it was just dangerous criminals. Now it's more people think it's expanded beyond that. That goes with more disapproval of the program. Then the how. When I ask people, what do you think of the ICE operations, the tactics that you see? Are they about right? No, more people now say they think they're too tough. That goes with more disapproval. A couple of important points, though. Number one, Republicans remain very strongly supportive of this program. And Republicans stand out by saying they think the protesters against these operations have gone too far. So there's that dynamic, too.

28:29But sum it up this way. Difference between the perceived goals and the approach. The goals divide the country are more mixed, but the approach gets more negative ratings. Goals versus approach.

28:40Margaret Brennan:So we've also seen the president very active abroad in this first year of his presidency from Iran, potentially to Greenland. Americans seem to say Trump's policies are going to decrease peace and stability in the world. That's what you found. So underneath that, a couple of things. Start with Greenland. Right. The notion of using military force to take Greenland gets wide and bipartisan opposition. The notion of buying Greenland also gets opposition, gets disapproval. But it's the why here. What are the implications of it? You follow that up. Yeah, some Americans say it might give the U.S. access to resources it needs.

29:21But the larger implications that the U.S. might leave NATO, that there might be, as you mentioned, more, you know, less peace and stability in the world. Those things underpin those views. Iran, a little bit different here. Still majority opposition to the idea of taking military action to support the protests there. But it's the why. You do see a sizable number saying the U.S. might have a moral responsibility to do it, certainly to have strategic interests in the region. But also a majority saying they don't think the U.S. has effective plans for what to do about it. And that's important. Anytime people evaluate foreign policy, they want to see the plan.

29:58They want to see that laid out. And until they get that, you might see that majority disapproval.

30:04Margaret Brennan:And when you've been here throughout the past year, you have just emphasized, even with the last president, it's the economy, the economy, the economy. That's what Americans are really judging performance by. I have, because that's what Americans keep telling us is very important. Really specifically, it's about prices. And this is not new. This has been not just this year, but it's been going back to the pandemic, really. People are still trying to adjust to a world in which they have these really high prices. What they're really concerned when they say they want the administration to focus on lowering prices more, and a majority has consistently said that they do, is they're talking about buying power.

30:43So I ask them, is your income keeping up with inflation? And big majorities say, no, it's not. That's been consistent across. Are they looking for prices to go down? Yes. They're looking systematically for deflation, not necessarily, but it's that buying power that underpins all that. Prices are the way that people evaluate the economy.

31:03Margaret Brennan:Always, right? Yeah. It is an election year, as you know. And in the midterms, people judge often the party by its president. But what are you hearing when it comes to Democrats? A couple of things for Democrats, a couple of challenges, if you will. First, does their party convince its voters that they have an effective way to challenge Donald Trump, which their voters want them to do? Right now, and increasingly, there's voters saying no, they don't think their party has an effective way. The second part of it is just in terms of approach, do they need to alter, offer a compelling alternative to the president?

31:36Right now, you ask who has a better approach. Donald Trump and the Republicans still lead the Democrats on the economy and on immigration. So going through the campaign, is it going to be enough to just say we're not Donald Trump or do they need that alternative? It looks like people are saying they're looking for that compelling alternative.

31:55Margaret Brennan:Something we will ask our Democratic guests. Thank you very much, Anthony Salvato. Thank you. We'll be right back. We go now to the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Mark Warner, who joins us this morning from Virginia. Senator, we have had some extraordinary news this week on the national security front. Two of America's closest allies, NATO and Canada. Canada signed a trade deal with China. The prime minister of Canada, Mark Carney, said the U.S. is undercutting the international world order. In the past 24 hours, President Trump seemed to start a trade war with our closest European allies, saying he put tariffs on the U.K., France, Denmark, until they agree to hand over Greenland.

32:40Margaret Brennan:Will there be now any checks and balances from Congress when it comes to the president's use of tariffs in this way? Well, Margaret, that's the question of the hour.

32:54Mark Warner:I would hope so. We thought when the president took on the independence of the Federal Reserve, Congress might stand up. We thought when the president sent 20 percent of our fleet down off the coast of Venezuela, Congress might stand up. We would get a we got a vote on the War Powers Act. Then the administration rolled back the Republican votes. Now, the question is, when the president is taking on potentially a new tariff war with our NATO partners, with threatening Greenland, will my Republican friends, beyond saying quietly to me, Mark, this is crazy, Will they say that publicly and stand up against a president that has brought chaos to the international order?

33:38Mark Warner:And got to tell you, is not making Americans safer when you when you threaten, for example, the security of NATO, the most successful alliance in modern history. The only country that is, frankly, benefiting the most from this chaos are both Russia and China.

33:55Margaret Brennan:And I'm going to get to some of that in detail with Congressman Mike Turner shortly. But just on this point, there is an effort by some Republicans. Lisa Murkowski is one of them. She and Jean Shaheen are working on a bipartisan bill called the NATO Unity Protection Act to prohibit the use of federal funds to blockade, occupy, annex, conduct military operations against or assert control over the territory of a NATO state. That is extraordinary that that is being put forward as a bill. Would you vote for it?

34:30Mark Warner:Of course I would. But remember, the only security threat... I don't know, but let's be clear about this. They're currently, and as Vice Chair of the Intel Committee, I am very familiar with what's going on. There is no current security threat from Russia or China to Greenland. The only security threat to Greenland right now is the United States. I've been in touch with the bipartisan delegation who've met with the Danes, who are over there now. Now, the Danish people, frankly, are flipping out that their longest ally, America, is now threatening to invade part of their territory. Those other countries that Trump is now threatening with additional tariffs.

35:11Mark Warner:Remember, the European Union's already got a 15 percent tariff. The French, the Germans, the Norwegians have all put small numbers of troops in Greenland to help protect it, but also send a signal that if America attacks, they're attacking our closest allies. And I would also point out, you know, America used to have 17 military bases in Greenland. We decided we didn't need them all. We're down to one military base. And on that base, there are more Danish partners on the base than American military. The Danes have made very clear that if we want more military bases, if we want more ability to extract critical minerals, they would welcome that.

35:51Mark Warner:But it ought to be done in partnership and it ought to be done with the NATO allies. And I just point out, Margaret, these are all tied together. This craziness around NATO weakens our ability to have the world rally against the Iranian regime right now, which has been brutal to its people. One of the reasons the president couldn't take military action against the Iranians was because the aircraft carrier that would normally be there to prevent, to help our forces was off the coast of Venezuela. So all of this international chaos ties itself together, making America less safe. And when you see the Canadian prime minister in effect saying, you know, China may be a more dependable partner.

36:35Yeah.

36:35Mark Warner:If that doesn't bring us all back, I'm not sure what would.

36:39Margaret Brennan:Well, the president is moving on the Iran front, is moving an aircraft carrier from the Pacific to CENTCOM, to that Mideast region where there hasn't been an aircraft carrier. He also told Politico Saturday, it's time to look for new leadership in Iran that doesn't kill people by the thousands in order to keep it under control. It was reported that the head of the Mossad, David Barnea, was down in Miami meeting with Steve Whitcoff. Do you know the focus of those meetings? Is the United States working with Israel on a plan for what happens next in Iran?

37:15Mark Warner:I can't talk about anything specific, but what is in the public domain is that Israel, as well as all of our allies in that region, were concerned about a strike in terms of Iranian reprisals. And the fact that we don't have all of our forces there because part of our forces are off the coast of Venezuela make us less of a threat. And there is a real question. What would you bomb? And is there a chance that that kind of kinetic action might make more support for the regime, a rally around the flag? That doesn't mean that we couldn't be doing more cyber. It doesn't mean, and I say I've got a lot of concerns with Elon Musk, but his Starlink operations are brilliant.

37:55Mark Warner:We should be able to get more Starlink into into Iran so the Iranian people can get reconnected to the Internet. And our ability, for example, in a normal course, we would be rallying all of our NATO allies to also put pressure because they have relations with Iran. But most of our NATO allies are concerned about Americans potential military action in Greenland and the threat of additional tariffs. So the ability for America to bring a concerted worldwide confrontation to this awful Iranian regime and the Iranian people are extraordinarily brave to stand up. We need to do more. But some of our options are limited because of the chaotic approach the president is taking around the whole world.

38:36Margaret Brennan:Well, let me ask you about Venezuela, because you are chair or ranking member on the Intelligence Committee. The CIA director, John Ratcliffe, was down in Caracas on Thursday to meet with the interim president, Delce Rodriguez. A U.S. official described it as intending to improve the relationship between the two countries. Are you comfortable with the administration's plan and what the director has explained to you is the intention to basically coerce them into compliance?

39:06Mark Warner:Well, let's let's look what the American military did in Venezuela was extraordinary. Nobody else could do that. And the president's goal, which he's made clear, was mostly about oil, not about the Venezuelan people. It will take years for the Venezuelan oil fields to get up back operating to anything close to efficiency. Maduro was awful on that. But our ability to strangle off and keep the chokehold on the Venezuelan regime keeps that fleet blockading Venezuela. Are we going to keep that fleet, 20 percent of our fleet, off the coast of Venezuela for the next three years?

39:43Margaret Brennan:I think it's like 14 percent now. Have you asked the administration that?

39:47Mark Warner:We have asked and we have not gotten a response on how long the fleet will be there. And one thing that I would also point out, and let me be clear, the Biden administration screwed up in 2024 when the Venezuelan people voted overwhelmingly to throw out Maduro and we didn't push him out. But to suddenly say to the leader, Machado, who was leader of the Venezuelan opposition, who got the Nobel Prize. I mean, does President Trump not realize he looks kind of silly taking that prize from her as she tries to basically suck up to him? And the fact is, what she has said, and again publicly, is that, yes, you got rid of Maduro, but the same people who tortured and imprisoned the Venezuelan opposition are still in control of the regime.

40:34Mark Warner:Where does that lead the Venezuelan people and where does that lead us to a better relationship? frankly, a partnering relationship with Central and South America and not a colonial relationship, which is, again, to seem what the president seems to be intending.

40:46Margaret Brennan:All right. Senator Warner, a world of problems to talk to you on that front, but I got to leave it there. Thank you for your time today. We'll be back in a moment.

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41:27Margaret Brennan:We're joined now by Ohio Republican Congressman Mike Turner. He is the head of the U.S. delegation to NATO's Parliamentary Assembly. Congressman Turner, I imagine that many of those NATO partners are calling you right now and saying, what is the president doing with this threat of escalating tariffs against us unless we hand over Greenland? What are you saying to them? Margaret, as you know, this is this Greenland in the United States and America is not a new issue. I mean, this five times United States. Threatening to invade it is a new issue. Right. It certainly is a new issue. Five times the United States has had a discussion about Greenland all the way back to the 1800s, four times in the 1900s.

42:07And the president's raised it twice. We have a 1951 defense agreement with respect to a presence that we have a military presence there. The president's not wrong. There's a national security issue with respect to Greenland.

42:20Margaret Brennan:Senator Warner said there was no direct threat other than from the United States. But there are national security issues there. Generally in the Arctic. In the Arctic itself and with respect to Greenland. But there certainly is no authority that the president has to use military force to seize territory from a NATO country. And certainly this is problematic that the president has made this statement and has caused tension among the alliance. And there certainly is going to be a continuation of a discussion among all of our allies as to what this means. And certainly people need to have some understanding of what are the basic principles.

43:02America still is for democracy. America still is for self-determination of people, for sovereignty of other nations. And that certainly are our basic principles and values. And certainly I think this does put at risk. We're seeing from our allies their response. They're very concerned about Trump's response. And this is putting at risk, I think, Trump's peace principles with respect to Gaza, with respect to Ukraine and Russia, his leadership among our allies, because he needs our allies for being a base for his ability to rally. And certainly, you know, one of his principles of trade and his ability to help our economy, it's put at risk his EU negotiations.

43:46Yeah, they're threatening to blow up the trade deal. He had a monumental deal with the EU where he was going to go to zero tariffs. With the EU, that's at risk. So certainly, you know, people are concerned. He has prospectively said that he is going to impose these tariffs. So there is, I think, this period of time where there will be a dialogue and discussion. Well, there was this past week.

44:08Margaret Brennan:There was the diplomatic meeting. And the outcome afterwards was the president put this tweet up saying he's putting in the tariffs. So it didn't seem the diplomacy actually went anywhere. Well, and I think there will certainly be a discussion. Certainly the American public, I think, are questioning. Yeah, well, you saw our poll. He shared it with you. 70 % of Americans disapprove of using funds to buy Greenland. 86 % disapprove of him using military force to take it. How do you justify and explain his strategy when both our allies and Americans say no? I think people would prefer a focus on the economy instead of a focus on Greenland itself.

44:43I think certainly in Congress, you know, we're looking at trying to make certain we get the budget deal through and we don't have a shutdown. And, you know, as we look to the president's proposal on national security, we look at his proposal on, you know, increasing our defense budget. And that's how, you know, we certainly want to.

45:00Margaret Brennan:Is it legal for him to even try to use tariffs in this way? I mean, Congress could claw back this authority if you wanted to put a check on him. Well, Article 1, Section 8 does reserve to Congress international trade. And the International Emergency Economic Powers Act on a very limited basis delegates to the president the ability to do some sanctions. And currently before the Supreme Court, there is this issue as to whether he even has the authority to do tariffs at all. Now, depending upon how the Supreme Court rules, they may find he doesn't even have tariff authority. But even if he is found to have tariff authority, I don't believe he has the ability to impose tariffs for the purposes of compelling other nations to sell the United States land for the purposes of us expanding.

45:49Now, in this issue -

45:50Margaret Brennan:How many Republicans are with you on that? Well, you know - Because Speaker Johnson was in the United Kingdom telling everyone that the president's just playing chess here. Well, you know - You're taking him seriously. And if you are, then what do you do? There certainly are nationalist criticism. The president having identified this with respect to the fact of this is the Golden Dome and that there are locations that are going to be necessary with respect to the operations. Golden Dome is absolutely an essential issue. And the Golden Dome is going to be very, very important. We have other locations that are essential, critical infrastructure overall where that we don't own.

46:24And I think certainly Greenland and the Greenlanders need to to decide their future and their outcome. I think this is more of an issue of asking them to join us as opposed to out of the deal.

46:36Margaret Brennan:But we already have the ability to do a lot. And what's so baffling to European allies, and I know you've heard this from them as well, they sent those troops to Greenland to show that they will defend Greenland against those threats. And yet the president interpreted that not as help from our NATO allies, but as a threat from our NATO allies. Does he understand how NATO works? And that is certainly, I think, you know, and when you look at the fact that, you know, of the allies that he's talking about putting a tariff on, seven of them are F-35 partners. Three of them, we have U.S. nuclear weapons on their soil.

47:09And five of them, we have permanent troops on their soil. These are not just casual allies. These are very strong allies. And this is, if we're talking about Greenland, you know, this is not art of the deal. This is more the dating game. I mean, we need to be more on, you know, how we would be a partner, not more how we would be compulsory. And this certainly isn't the type of language that that someone should be using and trying to ask someone to join you in a partnership.

47:38Margaret Brennan:So all those technical points I take. But you also look at this from the other lens, which is Senator Murkowski said that this is creating a dynamic that benefits Vladimir Putin. by threatening the stability of the strongest coalition of democracies the world has ever seen, even without doing anything other than a tweet. Well, the other thing that is concerning to me is this. We're not in Germany. Doesn't it benefit Russia here? And also, we're not just in Germany to defend the NATO alliance. We're in Germany to defend Israel and Africa and the Middle East. Our worldwide footprint is our worldwide power.

48:17I mean, the presidency's authority, his ability to project power, is our NATO alliance, the strongest alliance in the world. To threaten the NATO alliance to say, well, we'll just pack up and go home means that the United States doesn't have the ability to project power. The ability for the United States president to do things to benefit anyone around the world is to be around the world. It means to be able to have partners, means to be able to do operations. Almost every operation that this president has done over the past year has in part been done out of and with and including the bases that we have in Europe and in NATO.

48:57Margaret Brennan:But the Treasury Secretary said in another network, the president believes enhanced security is not possible without Greenland being part of the United States. They're being very clear. And I truly believe that it is that, you know, the president can continue the the issue of engagement. But presidential want doesn't translate into presidential authority. We will leave it there. Congressman Turner, thank you for your time today. That's it for us today. Thank you all for watching. Until next week for Face the Nation, I'm Margaret Brennan. Today's guests were Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, Virginia Democratic Senator Mark Warner, Ohio Republican Congressman Mike Turner, and CBS News Executive Director of Elections and Surveys, Anthony Salvato.

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