Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise

21:45But at the same time, when they defund the police, that leaves the chief stretched thin. And so he was talking about the federal response. They've made a decision not to assist ICE.

21:53Margaret Brennan:He was talking about dealing with the federal issues because when you look at the Minnesota database, shooting victims down 76%, homicides down 67%, burglary down 39 % year to date, sex offenses down, robberies down, motor vehicle theft is up. So he was talking about the response, the deal that they have now, the stretch they have now dealing with the federal agents who are there. Well, but remember, these agents have also arrested thousands of violent criminals in Minneapolis. That's one of the reasons that crime is down. And we're seeing that across the country. I look again, anytime something bad happens, we all lament that.

22:35I wish it didn't happen. But the rhetoric does need to be toned down. But we also need to remember, why is ICE doing this in cities? They're enforcing federal law, Margaret. The law says you can't be here illegally. And if you're committing violent crimes, the president made it clear. In fact, he was elected. President Trump was elected to get rid of criminals in our communities. 416 ,000 criminals have been arrested by ICE just in the last year. That has helped make our communities safer.

23:02Margaret Brennan:Well, it's interesting you bring up the politics of this because undoubtedly the president was elected on a platform of immigration enforcement. There was a lot of support for it. But our latest poll shows more than half of Americans say ICE is making communities less safe. Almost two-thirds of Americans say they dislike the president's approach to his deportation program. There is not public support for the way this policy is being implemented. Do you think there needs to be a reassessment? Well, if you asked people in a poll, do you want violent criminals that are here illegally in your community, yes or no, what do you think the answer is going to be?

23:38I will tell you overwhelmingly, they will say, please get the violent criminals out. In fact, you're seeing that on the ground in many, many cities where they are cooperating with ICE, where they don't have sanctuary city policies and where you don't see, by the way, people going in the streets, breaking the law to interfere with law enforcement, which is a felony.

23:59Margaret Brennan:You have been a supporter of the Second Amendment. When Secretary Noem says, I don't know of any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun and ammo rather than a sign, do you believe Americans have the right to bear arms while they're protesting? Well, first of all, I'm a co-sponsor of Louisiana's law that allows you to have a concealed carry permit. It's worked very well there. I don't know the state law in Minnesota. I know in a state like Louisiana, and frankly, most states, you are not allowed to carry a gun while you're committing another crime. And interfering with law enforcement is a felony.

24:34It's something that, unfortunately, we're seeing in a lot of cities. You even had the police chief yesterday, Chief O 'Hara, that you just had on yesterday said, of the protests going on after the shooting, that they were unlawful. Yes. He actually said it was an unlawful assembly, what a lot of people are doing. And they were throwing things at ICE agents, throwing projectiles that could harm ICE agents. So let's tone this down. And leaders in Minnesota, by the way, have been ratcheting up the rhetoric. I mean, you saw the governor. Governor Walz said they're Gestapo. He said they're violently hurting people.

25:09Margaret Brennan:I'm going to have to take this commercial break and let you finish the thought on the other side of it. If you could stay with us later, we have more questions. We'll be right back.

25:20Margaret Brennan:Welcome back to Face the Nation and House Majority Leader Steve Scalise. Leader, we have seen a letter that Attorney General Pam Bondi sent to Governor Walz out in Minnesota offering to end the federal surge if the state does a number of things, among them giving access to the food assistance programs and voter registration logs. What's the purpose of that? What's the intent? Well, I haven't read that letter between Pan Bondi and the governor, but I know that we are investigating tens of billions of dollars of potential fraud coming out of Minnesota. There have been hearings that have already been held.

26:00We have a lot of whistleblowers talking to us about major theft of taxpayer money coming out of Minnesota. And these are stealing programs from learning centers, from disabled students programs that are being stolen. And the governor did nothing about it. But voter registration logs?

26:17Margaret Brennan:As a conservative, does that make you a little uncomfortable that they're demanding the state handover voter registration logs? Like what's the purpose of that? To end ICE enforcement? Well, I haven't seen the letter. I know we're trying in Congress to deal with putting laws on the books that will make sure that we protect the integrity of the vote nationwide. States like Minnesota have had problems with voter integrity. We want a national standard, the SAVE Act, which makes sure illegals can't vote, but also making sure you show picture ID. Those are things we're pushing for. That's across the board federally.

26:50Margaret Brennan:Well, non-citizens cannot vote. But I want to ask you, ICE, about all the things that have happened this week, even before that shooting in Minnesota. ICE has said its officers can go into homes without judicial warrants. ICE shot unarmed Renee Good, as you know, claimed that she was a domestic terrorist. An FBI agent resigned after she was ordered not to investigate the officer who shot her. ICE detained at least five kids, including five-year-old Liam Ramos, who was taken into custody by men in masks. Does this picture sound right to you? Are you comfortable with how this is being implemented?

27:39Let's keep in mind that the five-year-old's father was here illegally and was evading law enforcement and abandoned his child.

27:47Margaret Brennan:The family disputes that the administration has a problem with the previous administration's legal system for asylum. They don't like the app he used to file for asylum. Well, Joe Biden allowed millions of people to come into our country illegal, including very violent people, Margaret. But they're retroactively trying to change the legality of his status. President Trump was elected. The number one issue last year was President Trump saying, I'm going to secure the border, and he's doing it. But also he's removing violent people. 416 ,000 criminals have been arrested by ICE. 416 ,000 have been arrested by ICE.

28:30These are very bad people. By the way, ICE just put up a website. Not ICE. Homeland Security. Worst of the worst DHS. Go Google worst of the worst DHS. State by state, they show you all the people that have been picked up in each state, your state. You can find out horrible people, murderers, rapists, that they picked up that would be on the streets today. That doesn't apply to the father or five-year-old Liam.

28:52Margaret Brennan:Or the two-year-old who was separated from her mother. That father was here illegally and abandoned his child. Go look at the website. It shows you who they picked up. Are they the worst of the worst, sir? 416 ,000 people with violent criminal records. These are people, and by the way, America today has the lowest murder rate that we've had since 1900, in part because of President Trump's actions to get these violent people off our streets. 416 ,000 have been removed. Do you want them still out on our streets? No. I don't think most people do. No, and I don't think... This is a hard job ICE has.

29:27Margaret Brennan:They do, indeed. In local law enforcement, local officials, the mayor, the governor should not be encouraging people to go out on the streets and break the law by interfering with law enforcement. And American citizens are concerned about American citizens being shot. And that's why we are asking the questions about. And we don't have that chaos in other cities. Minneapolis has its own problems. Failed leadership that has led to a lot of this. And it's unfortunate it happened. I wish it didn't happen. Their failed leaders need to look in the mirror and tone it down. I have to go next to our next guest, Leader Scalise.

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31:01Margaret Brennan:We go to Independent Senator Angus King, who joins us from Maine. Good morning to you, Senator. Good morning, Margaret. Good to be with you. Good to have you here. And I understand that in your state, ICE just launched this operation Catch of the Day, which an official told CBS would target Somali immigrants, among others, targeting 1 ,400 criminal aliens who have, quote unquote, terrorized communities in Maine. What's been the impact? Do you know how many arrests there have been?

31:35There have been something like 100 that DHS has told us. And by the way, to follow up on Leader Scalise's previous comment, that worst of the worst website that DHS has established, they list 13 people in Maine. They concede that or they state that they've arrested 100. I want to know who the other 83 are. I'm sorry, 87. My math is off. But the point is, this worst of the worst thing is a pretext. What they're really doing is going after people who are here. They're asylum seekers. They're in the process. They have green cards. We've had numerous cases in Maine of people being stopped and detained with zero criminal record, including a recruit for the sheriff's office to be a guard at the county jail.

32:25So this idea that it's the worst of the worst is just nonsense.

32:28Margaret Brennan:Well, yesterday, your governor released a statement saying she's requested a meeting with President Trump to withdraw agents from Maine. Powers of the state government seem extremely limited here when you look at Minnesota. Does Maine have any ability to stop this? well i think we can be talking with dhs and talking with the president i'm trying to interact with dhs just to get some questions answered they tell me i have to submit my questions in writing and then they'll get back to me in writing maybe in a week or two i mean uh you know i represent the people of my state they shouldn't be i shouldn't have to go through a lot of bureaucratic red tape to to get some answers but this uh here's the real problem margaret uh the people that are being terrorized in Maine are being terrorized by ICE.

33:15They're not being terrorized by criminals. And ICE says, we're not going to be terrorizing people with criminals on our streets. Here's what's happening in Portland. People are afraid to send their kids to school. People are afraid to go to work. Businesses are suffering because their workers can't come in. Families are sending food to their friends who are afraid to come out. That's the real impact of this. And it far as we as any benefit that's being accrued by these by these heavy handed tactics.

33:51Margaret Brennan:Well, in terms of getting to a place where, you know, this can be settled peacefully. One of the things the administration argues again and again is, oh, we were forced to do all this because the last administration, you know, didn't do adequate jobs when a job at the border. But they also point to sanctuary laws. Maine is about to have a law in place by this summer that will prohibit local law enforcement from working with federal authorities on immigration enforcement. Is there a way forward here between states like Maine and the federal government when it comes to peacefully extracting, peacefully carrying out interior enforcement?

34:35Well, you put your finger on it, Margaret, in the last interview. The question is not, should we enforce the law? Should we be trying to expel dangerous criminals? The question is, how is it done? I did a little research this morning. Obama, during his administration, there were something like 2.7 million removals. But you didn't have people roaming the streets with masks on. By the way, I've never seen law enforcement with masks on in my life. Where I come from, the people wearing masks are the bad guys. But you didn't have this heavy-handed, heavily armed, you know, bulletproof vest kind of thing.

35:09And there were no incidents that I could find of the kind that we've seen just in the last few weeks in Minnesota during that 2.7 million removals during Obama's administration. We've got about 600 ,000 and we're having these incidents all over the country. So it's not necessary. You can enforce the laws against illegal immigration and people that are criminals without ransacking our cities and terrorizing our residents.

35:38Margaret Brennan:This is having reverberations in Washington, as you well know. Leader Schumer said Democrats will not vote for the appropriations bill if DHS funding is included. That means we could see a partial shutdown here. Do you know how you're going to vote? Margaret, I hate shutdowns. I'm one of the people that helped negotiate the solution to the last, the end of the last shutdown, but I can't vote for a bill that includes ICE funding under these circumstances. What they're doing in my state, what we saw yesterday in Minneapolis, there's an easy way out, by the way. Leader Thune could separate, which is what they did in the House, separate the five other appropriation bills, put them on the floor.

36:20They would pass, I think, overwhelmingly. Then let's take up DHS. And by the way, if those bills pass, 96 percent of the federal government is funded. Take up DHS by itself. Let's have an honest negotiation, put some guardrails on what's going on, some accountability, and that would solve this problem. We don't have to have a shutdown.

36:39Margaret Brennan:So that's your path to avoid a shutdown. But quickly, I want to ask you about rhetoric. In Arizona, the state AG said ICE is not real law enforcement. Minnesota's governor also said quit referring to these people's law enforcement. They're not law enforcement. Do you consider ICE law enforcement?

36:58I guess I technically would, but I don't. Again, well, let me let me put it in the words of the sheriff in in Cumberland County, Maine, when they took one of his recruits. He called it Bush League policing. And I think that sort of summarizes it. And there's no need for this overwhelming show of force. I believe what we're seeing is an attempt to intimidate the American people. Again, armed people with masks and telling people they can't photograph what they're doing and intimidating protesters, that's not America. And then you mentioned in your previous interview about going into houses without any warrant.

37:38That's a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment. These people are acting outside the Constitution. They're ignoring our laws, and we just can't keep supporting that. All right, Senator King, thank you for joining us today.

37:52Margaret Brennan:We'll be right back.

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38:23Margaret Brennan:In a speech at Davos last week, Canada's Prime Minister Mark Carney never mentioned President Trump by name. But he rebuked his trade wars as coercion, and he suggested the U.S. has created a rupture in the world order. We spoke with the outgoing Canadian ambassador to the United States, Kirsten Hillman, on Friday. Take a listen. I we're not in the middle of a divorce, but we are in the middle of a change. There's no question about it. I think that we are finding ourselves, quite frankly, in a situation where some of the foundations that have governed our relationship for a long time, that, you know, integrated supply chains are good, that working together on strategic issues are important, that looking out for each other in important ways is a number one priority.

39:15I think in some quarters, Canadians feel that those foundations are being tested. We will adapt. We will make it through. I have no doubt about that. But yeah, it's a complicated time.

39:26Margaret Brennan:You have had a long career here in the United States, deeply involved with trade in particular. You helped to negotiate that free trade deal known as USMCA during the first Trump administration. President Trump was asked about it January 13th. He said, I really don't care in terms of renewing it. there's no real advantage. We don't need Canada products here. Is that free trade deal doomed? No, it is not doomed. That is my view. All three countries, Canada, USA and Mexico, did broad consultations, national consultations with their business communities in particular on how that agreement works for them.

40:07And really, without exception, the American comments back We're sure we'd like to maybe update this or change this a little bit. But job number one is to do no harm to this agreement, which is the economic foundation of our continental partnership and leads to very important U.S. competitiveness and Canadian and Mexican competitiveness vis-a-vis other parts of this world. So I think there's I think that we have to believe that our political leaders are going to be listening to the people in the constituencies for whom that instrument was drawn up. And they're saying this is vital to us. Do no harm.

40:47Margaret Brennan:Because you heard the Commerce Secretary say at Davos, you know, globalism isn't working. I mean, these free trade deals are part of that globalism. And it was just a week ago, your prime minister was in Beijing and he described Canada's relationship with China as more predictable than its relationship with the United States. He really meant more predictable than the Trump administration's United States. Look, there's no question that the last number of months have been unpredictable for us in our relationship with the United States. You know, we have a trade agreement that had us virtually tariff free between our two countries.

41:24And now we have very serious tariffs on steel, aluminum, autos, lumber. And that's causing a lot of challenges within our country. There are people that are losing their jobs. There are industries that are being reoriented. And it's very difficult. So that is seen as, yes, unpredictable.

41:43Margaret Brennan:But Fortress North America had been an idea. I mean, the Treasury Secretary talked about it, that the United States, Mexico, Canada, we could stand up together, have shared values and stand up to China. That seems dead if Canada is really describing a new alliance here with Beijing. Well, I think we have to put this in perspective. The agreement that we did with China a few weeks ago was a very focused and surgical agreement that was largely or almost exclusively designed to de-escalate some tariff escalation that had happened over the past year and a bit. So over the past year and a bit, China had put very punitive tariffs on Canadian agricultural products and fish and seafood, shutting Canadians out from one of their primary markets, if not for some of them, their primary market.

42:32And so we went to Beijing to reestablish market access for our farmers and our fishers. It's exactly what the U.S. administration did in October when they reestablished market access for U.S. soy farmers and in exchange rolled back some tariffs and fees. So this is a very pragmatic, very focused approach. I think it's important to put it in context.

42:55Margaret Brennan:I want to ask you what your prime minister said at Davos. He got a standing ovation for this speech. He described a ruptured global order, the end of a nice story and the beginning of a new brutal reality, which he described as a predatory one. Take a listen. Stop invoking rules based international order as though it still functions as advertised. Call it what it is, a system of intensifying great power rivalry where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as coercion. He said, if you're not at the table, then you're on the menu. What does this new world order look like?

43:34Well, that's a good question. I mean, I think he laid out in his discussion, his speech, his view of what is happening in our world. And it's a world in which rules that governed every player in the globe, every country, were maybe not perfectly abided by, as he said, maybe not always exactly exercised as one would hope, but still were sufficient to form the basis of the prosperity, the stability, the predictability that we all used to maximize peace and stability and maximize economic reality. So we're moving away our economic benefits and we're moving away from that. And we have to countries like ours have to figure out what that means for us.

44:21I think that what it does mean for us is that we can't walk away from our principles. We can't walk away from our belief in rules that are to be abided by by everyone if they commit to them. But at the same time, we have to be pragmatic and we have to look inward to control what we can within our own economies, to be as resilient as we possibly can within our own economies. And part of that means engaging pragmatically with a broad array of countries around the world in trade agreements, in investment relationships and in partnerships.

45:00Margaret Brennan:President Trump posted on social media that Canada is against the Golden Dome over Greenland and has voted against it to choose to be closer to China. Yet, President Trump had previously talked about Canada participating in this Golden Dome project, which isn't yet built, but it's supposed to be missile, layered missile defense, as I understand it. Do you know what he's talking about, that Canada has rejected being involved? No, I'm afraid I don't. But what I can say about the Golden Dome is this. Canada is investing over$80 billion over the next five years in our defense systems. And a big part of that is Arctic defense.

45:40And a big part of our Arctic defense investments are something called over-the-horizon radar, which is a system that allows us to see the threats that are coming into the Arctic before they arrive. So that is part. And when we have talked to the president about protecting our hemisphere, we have talked about ways in which our different capabilities can work together so that we have eyes on the region and we cooperate in a way that protects both of our countries.

46:04Margaret Brennan:So the president has described that as Canada wanting to plug in to the system. As you understand it, that's the better description, your own system that would coordinate? Much as we do across all sorts of defense systems where we're interoperable, we work together. We make our investments that make sense for Canada in defending our territory and defending our sovereignty. But we work with the Americans and other allies to maximize the benefits of those. So in short, you do think there needs to be more focus on Arctic defense, but you're on board to help do that. We're deeply committed to our defense.

46:40Margaret Brennan:Absolutely. I need to ask you about NATO because you're also a partner at NATO. Yes. The only time that NATO's Article 5 was ever invoked, and you know this, was after the 9-11 attacks on this country. That collective defense clause, an attack on one is an attack on all, meant that Europe and Canada, they sent troops right alongside American troops on the battlefield in Afghanistan. Here's what President Trump said. We've never needed them. We have never really asked anything of them. You know, they'll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan or this or that. And they did. They stayed a little back, a little off the front lines.

47:17Margaret Brennan:He was speaking about all NATO troops, but we did check. In about 40 ,000 Canadians deployed to Afghanistan between 2001 and 2014, 158 were killed, 635 wounded in action. What is a remark like that due to people at home? You know, I think what's most important is that we know what our Canadians have done. And I know that your American armed forces are deeply respectful and deeply appreciative of having stood side by side with Canadians in those very, very treacherous and difficult fights. We know that to be true. They know that to be true. And that's what matters. You can see the full interview with the ambassador on our website or on our YouTube channel.

48:04Margaret Brennan:We'll be right back. Before we go, we wanted to note the death of 30-year-old Abed Shat, a freelance cameraman who has worked with CBS News throughout the Israel-Hamas war. Abed was killed in an Israeli airstrike on Wednesday along with two other journalists. Shat was filming aid distribution with a group called the Egyptian Humanitarian Committee, and the EHC says the vehicle he was in was marked with its logo. The Israel Defense Forces say the strike targeted a Hamas-affiliated drone. The Committee to Protect Journalists reports that more than 250 media workers have been killed in Gaza since the October 7th attacks.

48:43Margaret Brennan:That's it for us today. Thank you all for watching. Until next week. For Face the Nation, I'm Margaret Prandt. Today's guests were Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O 'Hara, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise, Maine Independent Senator Angus King and Canadian Ambassador to the United States Kirsten Hillman. The senior executive producer of Face the Nation is Mary Hager, and the executive producer is Anne Hsu. This broadcast was directed by Shelley Schwartz. Face the Nation originates from CBS News in Washington. For more, we're online at facethenation.com and on YouTube. We're also rebroadcast on our CBS News 24-7 streaming network at 12.30 on Sundays, and we're available through our apps, CBS News.

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