Sen. Richard Blumenthal, Rep. John James, David Becker

30 Aug 2026 · 46 min · 18 chapters

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In short

This Face the Nation episode covers four main topics: (1) Nepal glacier-collapse flooding and ongoing search-and-rescue, including nearly 100 missing Americans; (2) escalating Russia-Ukraine conflict and what the U.S. should do, including sanctions and air defense; (3) U.S. midterm voting-by-mail rules, focusing on an executive order challenged in court and what it means for November; (4) the 5-year retrospective on Afghanistan’s chaotic withdrawal, featuring an Afghan general’s escape after the Taliban takeover.

Guests

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut), a member of the Senate; Rep. John James (R-Michigan), Republican nominee for governor and an Iraq War veteran; David Becker, CBS News election security analyst; Afghan General Haibtullah Ali Zai (interviewed in the Afghanistan segment).

Key claims/examples

Nepal’s Trishuli River surged again; Americans were near the Girong checkpoint on the Tibetan side. Blumenthal argues words won’t stop escalation without force/air defense and supports a Russia sanctions bill. James attacks “extremists” tied to 9/11 rhetoric and emphasizes affordability and local control on data centers. Becker says the mail-ballot executive order is too late to affect 2026 and that noncitizen-voter numbers are inflated. Ali Zai blames political collapse for Afghanistan’s fall and describes the Kabul airport evacuation and ISIS-K attack.

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Nepal Flooding and Rescue Efforts

1:20 to 4:20

Search and rescue operations are underway in Nepal after catastrophic floods.

“Good morning and welcome to Face the Nation.”

Sen. Richard Blumenthal on Ukraine

4:20 to 6:50

Senator Blumenthal discusses the ongoing conflict and humanitarian impacts in Ukraine.

“And we turn now to Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal, who joins us from Westport, Connecticut.”

U.S. Response to Russian Aggression

6:50 to 10:40

Discussion on U.S. strategies and sanctions against Russia amidst the Ukraine conflict.

“unless it is backed with a real show of strength.”

ICE Operations and Immigration Concerns

10:40 to 14:01

Senator Blumenthal addresses recent ICE operations in Connecticut and their implications.

“So you think you can get enough Dems in the House to move this through?”

Discussing the Kids Online Safety Act

14:01 to 14:21

Learn about the importance and progress of the Kids Online Safety Act led by Senator Blumenthal.

Accusations Against Senate Candidates

14:35 to 15:00

John James discusses accusations against Senate candidates related to extremism.

“I'm really excited because in a state like Michigan, we have the most extreme ticket running with Abdel El-Sayed and Jocelyn Benson campaigning with people who said that we deserve 9-11.”

Reflections on War and Military Strategy

15:00 to 15:54

John James shares his views on the ongoing conflict with Iran and military strategy.

“Yeah, they're campaigning with extremists who say that America deserves 9-11.”

Economic Issues Facing Michigan

15:54 to 17:36

Discussion on economic conditions in Michigan and solutions for affordability.

“service to this country, I wonder what you think that we're now at the six-month mark of the war with Iran.”

Trade Relations with Canada

17:36 to 19:46

John James talks about the impact of tariffs and trade negotiations on Michigan.

“Their prime minister said he's going to match the U.S.”

The Data Center Debate

19:46 to 22:22

John James discusses his position on data centers and local community control.

“So, again, as somebody who's been in the automotive industry who understands this, the prime minister has also said that he's targeting politically sensitive states.”
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Closing Remarks with Congressman James

22:22 to 24:03

Wrap-up of the discussion with Congressman John James.

“often been accused of turning a blind eye to settler violence against Palestinians.”

Voting by Mail and Executive Orders

24:48 to 28:00

David Becker discusses the implications of President Trump's executive order on voting by mail.

“and the first mail-in ballots for the midterms will start going out Friday.”

Voting Trends and Mail-In Ballots

28:00 to 30:20

Explore the impact of mail-in voting trends among Democrats and Republicans.

“OK, because when you you look at the why or what the impact could be of all of this, statistically, it appears Democrats vote by mail in higher numbers than Republicans.”

Allegations of Non-Citizen Voting

30:20 to 32:00

Discussion on government claims regarding non-citizen voter registrations.

“He gave those states two weeks to respond.”

FBI Hiring Standards Changes

32:00 to 33:40

Insight into the FBI's revised hiring standards and their implications.

“hiring prostitutes or stealing from an employer.”

Reflections on Afghanistan Withdrawal

33:40 to 39:00

General Ali Zai discusses the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.

“soldier left Afghanistan, ending America's longest war and leaving that country under the control of the hardline Taliban.”

The Final Days in Afghanistan

39:00 to 42:06

General Ali Zai recounts the last days of the Afghan military and the Taliban's rise.

“Afghanistan political leaders gave up and fled the country.”

An Afghan Immigrant's Journey

42:06 to 46:38

Learn about the challenges faced by an Afghan immigrant in the U.S. after fleeing his home country.

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0:00Margaret Brennan:I'm Margaret Brennan in Washington and this week on Face the Nation, an update from Nepal following last week's devastating flooding and a look back at the chaotic withdrawal from the longest war in U.S. history. Four days after a glacier collapsed and triggered a cataclysmic flash flood in Nepal, we'll have the latest on the search for its missing victims, including nearly 100 Americans. And with the attacks on Ukraine and concerns about Russian aggression intensifying, we'll talk to Connecticut Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal, who is just back from the region. Then the president hits the campaign trail and begs voters to make the elections a referendum on him.

0:43What I really want you to do is pretend, please, that I'm on the ballot.

0:48Margaret Brennan:Just come and vote. It's so important. Will that strategy help or hurt his party? We'll talk with Congressman John James, the Republican nominee for governor in Michigan. We'll also try to clear up the confusion over mail-in ballots and look at how those court cases could impact the midterm elections. Finally, five years after the catastrophic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, we'll share the story of a former Afghan general's dramatic flight from his country following the 20-year war. It's all just ahead on Face the Nation.

1:37Margaret Brennan:Good morning and welcome to Face the Nation. Search and rescue operations are underway for a fifth day in Nepal, where catastrophic floods from a massive glacier collapse wiped down entire neighborhoods, killing 788 people with thousands still missing. Foreign correspondent Remy Innocencio is in Kathmandu. Remy, what's the latest in the search and rescue? Margaret, yes. Well, so far, the Nepali army has rescued more than 7 ,500 people, but there is another number out there. Nearly 3 ,000 people are still missing someplace in the disaster zone. Earlier, we were at a Nepali army base, and that was a staging ground for operations for aerial search and rescue for helicopters taking off.

2:21An army official said that they're trying to get out 15 sorties back and forth flights every single hour for a total of about 500 every single day. But they said that because of the weather, they have had to suspend that at least twice.

2:35Margaret Brennan:There were nearly 100 Americans. What are their status? Yeah, this is something that no family wants to hear, Margaret. they are all still missing, 90 in total according to the latest State Department estimate. Now, the reason for this is because most of them were on the Tibetan side of the border, and they were either going to or coming from this sacred pilgrimage route up to the higher elevations in the high Himalayas to a mountain called Mount Kailash. The concern, the anxiety, the focus here is the immigration checkpoint on the Tibetan side of the border called Girong Immigration Checkpoint.

3:10we have seen already that that immigration checkpoint building had been obliterated in the matter of seconds when that avalanche of ice, glacial meltwater and debris just covered and buried that whole entire building. I've also been in touch with several American families in the United States, and they're all telling me the same thing, that they all lost touch with their loved ones, with their families, with their friends at about the same time, and that they are wondering out loud whether any of them could have survived.

3:43Margaret Brennan:How significant is the risk of continued flooding? The risk absolutely is there. When we look at the cause of this catastrophe, looking back on Wednesday morning, that was because of a glacier collapse. Now, scientists, officials aren't talking about that, but they are talking about the flooding risk of the river, the Trishuli River that surged in the north of Nepal. Right now, in fact, this morning, that river surged again because of these monsoon rains. And this is a race against time with all those thousands of people still missing. Ramey Innocencio, thank you for being there in Kathmandu. And we turn now to Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal, who joins us from Westport, Connecticut.

4:25Margaret Brennan:Good morning to you, Senator. Good morning. Thanks for having me, Margaret. Well, I understand that there was the deadliest attack that we have seen so far this year in Ukraine. Their officials say Saturday, a Russian drone attack west of Kiev killed at least 38 people. You were just in Ukraine. I understand you went out east to Dnipro, close to the front lines. What can you tell us about the situation there? This trip was exhilarating because Ukraine is clearly making progress. It's turning the tide, but it was also heartbreaking to see the toll that this war is taking. The latest attack is only one of every night's bombardment of hospitals, homes, schools.

5:17Putin is killing Ukrainians in cold blood with his missiles and bombs. And I went to Dnipro, where I visited a military hospital where the most seriously wounded from the front were brought. I went back to Bucha, where at the very beginning of the war, Putin's army murdered hundreds of civilians and buried them in mass graves. And I visited with some of the children who had been abducted. But So President Zelensky had some priorities. I called it a homework assignment that he gave me. Number one, the Russian sanctions bill. Number two, air defense to protect against exactly the kind of bombing that you just mentioned.

5:59And third, Starlink, so that he can hit targets within Russia before they launch those deadly missiles and drones.

6:07Margaret Brennan:And we will see if the White House helps deliver on any of that. This past week, the president sent John Ratcliffe, the director of the CIA, to Moscow. And CBS has learned he told Russia not to attack NATO member states. Meanwhile, the prime minister of Poland is out there saying that NATO assesses Russia's about to escalate and he cannot rule out provocations from Russia against a NATO member state. Have you been briefed on this? What should we expect in the coming months? Without going into any classified information, I think the Radcliffe mission could well be empty and ephemeral unless it is backed with a real show of strength.

6:58Putin is a mob thug. He understands only force and strength. And so to send the CIA director, as President Biden did, Director Burns, to warn or try to persuade Putin with words, actions speak louder than words, largely going to be ineffective. And the Europeans understand that right now what's needed is more air defense, the Pac-3 interceptors, more long range artillery in the HIMARS and the kinds of aid that Ukraine needs to hit those launch sites and drone and missile manufacturing sites with Starlink that will really send a message to Putin that the United States and Europe means business.

7:48but they sense a danger of escalation that can't be met by just words and, in fact, is contradicted by Elbridge Colby's mission. He's the chief undersecretary for policy in the Department of Defense or war. When he went just last week and said, we're reducing our troop strength.

8:08Margaret Brennan:Right. Well, he hasn't revealed any details of what that reduction in presence could be. I understand there's a floor set about 76 ,000 troops, right? Otherwise, they have to get congressional permission. Is that happening? I doubt that Congress will approve at this critical moment reduction in force structure in Europe when Putin is more dangerous and threatening than ever. You mentioned Russia sanctions. You were part of that team alongside the late Senator Lindsey Graham pushing for that punishing package of financial measures against those who buy Russian oil. It passed through the Senate, but there are reservations, as you know, in the House, including from some of your fellow Democrats.

8:58Margaret Brennan:Greg Meeks, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said it's a Trojan horse for tariff authorities he has repeatedly abused. He's concerned about giving President Trump more power here. What's your message to these skeptics? First and foremost, this bill was the result of painstaking, sometimes painful negotiations with the U.S. Trade Representative, the White House, my colleagues in the House and Senate on both sides of the aisle. It passed the Senate 86 to 11. Not many measures doing that kind of successful passage these days. And it has increased authority for the president to impose scorching sanctions on the oligarchs, the financial institutions.

9:47It has measures to crack down on the shadow fleet. And it has tariff authority, but narrowly constrained to the five largest purchasers of Russian oil and gas. None of our European allies would be tariff. And here's the main point. It is a moment of extreme urgency for the reason that Putin may try to escalate, but also because Putin is on his heels economically. His economy is on the verge of major crisis. He has a deficit looming of$125 billion, 5 % of his GDP, an interest rate of 14 % on his national debt. And this kind of sanctions bill, throttling the flow of revenue to his war machine, could undercut completely his ability to wage this brutal, murderous war.

10:40Margaret Brennan:So you think you can get enough Dems in the House to move this through? I'm very hopeful, and I urge President Zelensky when we met to come to talk to members of Congress, just as he did in the Senate. And I'm very hopeful that he will, because he's Ukraine's strongest advocate. I want to ask you about what's happening in the state of Connecticut. Nationwide, ICE arrests have increased significantly in June and in July. This past week, the governor of Connecticut said despite President Trump saying to governors he would not send in ICE to cities that did not ask for help, they detained dozens of people in Danbury, Connecticut, in Bridgeport and Stanford.

11:18Margaret Brennan:ICE did not inform those cities in advance. You're seeing footage of some of those arrests. What have you learned? Has this operation concluded? How many people were arrested? And was it time to back to school, as your colleague, Senator Chris Murphy, alleges? We've learned nothing from ICE, but we know that probably about 100 were detained and arrested. Very few of them, only a fraction, maybe six or seven, have any kind of criminal history. So the administration saying that it's detaining the worst of the worst or deporting people with serious criminal history is absolutely belied by the facts.

11:59That's not what's happening. In fact, they are seizing people. Many of them have legal status in this country. They may have come here seeking asylum and they are doing it in a way that is repugnant and inhumane. The point is cruelty. They are trying to spread terror and sow fear in a way that is destructive of those communities. I'm going to be walking through Danbury tomorrow with the mayor, and I hope to have a forum. The Permanent Subcommittee on Investigation has been doing spotlight forums on these abuses by ICE. I hope to have one in Danbury or in Connecticut later in the week.

12:39Margaret Brennan:Okay. And Homeland Security hasn't provided detailed information to us about that. I want to quickly ask you about you have made this push for more online safety for kids. This past week, we saw Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram and WhatsApp. They agreed to pay$17 billion to the states that sued them to try to institute child safety measures. They want YouTube and TikTok to put the same measures in place. and they're being asked to turn off access at night. They said they'll have a two-hour daily time limit, notifications during school hours. Do these measures do enough to sort of obviate the need for legislation?

13:20Margaret Brennan:What do you make of this settlement? This settlement is a very commendable and welcome step forward, but it is incomplete, first because it covers only Meta, and Meta understandably wants YouTube and TikTok and all of social media to be covered by it. It limits only some of the addictive harmful features that are driving toxic content at kids. It lasts for only 10 years and it relates only to some of the addictive product design features that are so terrible and it will not keep pace with an evolving technology. So we still need the Kids Online Safety Act. In fact, more than ever, I'm going to be pushing with my partner, Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, who has been a staunch advocate with me, and we're hopeful that we'll get our bill through the Senate and the House.

14:18Margaret Brennan:We'll watch for that, Senator. Thank you for your time this morning. Base Nation will be back in a minute. Stay with us. And we're back with Michigan Congressman John James, who is also the Republican nominee for governor in his state. He joins us from Rockford, Michigan. Good morning to you, Congressman. Hey, Margaret. Good morning. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm really excited because in a state like Michigan, we have the most extreme ticket running with Abdel El-Sayed and Jocelyn Benson campaigning with people who said that we deserve 9-11. I say never forget. Wow. I want to ask you about some issues with your platform and the like, but never forget, of course, I'm sorry, did you just accuse Senate candidates of something to do with terrorism?

15:00Margaret Brennan:I'm not clear on what you just said. Yeah, they're campaigning with extremists who say that America deserves 9-11. And I think that coming up on the 25th anniversary of 9-11, these are statements that are way out of bounds and should definitely be clarified. Michigan is ground zero for this republic in this next election, and we need to make sure that we stop socialism and that we save the state of Michigan, because if we don't do it here, it's going to go to the rest of the country. Okay. I think you're talking about a supporter of a Senate candidate that that Senate candidate has started to distance himself from, and that influencer, Hassan Piker, has disavowed those past comments he made.

15:44Margaret Brennan:But let's put that aside because I don't want to get into that. I want to talk about you. You are an Iraq war vet. And we are now, given your time in uniform and your service to this country, I wonder what you think that we're now at the six-month mark of the war with Iran. We were told it was going to be four to six weeks. As you know, it's unpopular. 61 % of Americans, according to our polling, disapprove of it. It's driven up gas prices. It's affecting America's role in the world. I wonder if you agree with what appears to be a switch away from military force towards economic sanctions. And do you think your constituents deserve more of an explanation from the administration as to what they're doing?

16:25I believe very strongly when people say death to America, we should take them at their word. I graduated West Point in the class of 2004, and we took our oath of affirmation knowing that we would go to war. And as a result, the class of 2004 has suffered the most casualties of any service academy since Vietnam. We understand the cost of war. We hate war. And we want to use every method, diplomatic or economic, to make sure that we keep Americans safe and we keep our young military members out of war. I applaud the administration's effort to make sure that Iran has no nukes so they cannot threaten America and our allies.

17:02I applaud the administration's efforts to use every resource at their disposal to pursue peace. And these are the types of things that people want. But we also have a number of things in the state of Michigan that we can do to lower the cost of living, to increase affordability. And these are the types of things that I'm running to do as governor to reduce harmful regulations that will lower gas prices and will lower the cost of groceries. These are the types of things that Michiganders are talking about, increasing affordability, particularly with energy and housing and health care. And I'm excited to be able to do that here at home.

17:34Margaret Brennan:Okay. Okay. Well, Michigan in particular has a major reliance on trade with Canada, your neighbor to the north. Their prime minister said he's going to match the U.S. tariffs on Canada dollar for dollar starting September 8th. Do you have any idea what this trade war is going to cost Michigan? Absolutely. I am somebody who actually understands the automotive industry. I'm an automotive supplier. I have actually created jobs in the state of Michigan and I recognize how important and crucial our partnership with our friends and family in Canada is. But I also recognize how crucial it is that the status quo not continue.

18:14Michigan has lost over 300 ,000 manufacturing jobs since the 90s and that cannot continue. But at the same time, we need the negotiators to go back to the table, stop acting like children and negotiate a fair, mutually beneficial, reciprocal deal that that will benefit the United States of America and the state of Michigan. As a governor, I will be able to work with the president, be able to work with the prime minister to make sure that we can do this. Hopefully it doesn't take that long, but I stand ready and willing to assist to make sure that we have an economy that works for Michiganders and one that will continue to create prosperity in the state of Michigan.

18:49Margaret Brennan:So if you win, you would be Michigan's chief executive here. So January 1st, when you would be sworn in, is the very same date President Trump says He'll hit Canada with a 50 percent tariff on cars, trucks, auto parts and steel. Canada's prime minister said workers in your state rely on Canadian demand since they are the largest customer for autos. This is going to be a big blow on the first day of your administration. Would you ask the White House not to do this? Well, we're already talking with with members of the trade team and we're going to be continuing to engage with them so that we can avoid those things.

19:27Look, tariffs are not the objective. The objective is to protect Michigan jobs. The objective is to make sure that we deepen and continue our relationship with Canada. But it cannot be borne on the backs of Michiganders. Michigan is a state that relies on free and fair trade, but it cannot come at the expense of Michiganders. So, again, as somebody who's been in the automotive industry who understands this, the prime minister has also said that he's targeting politically sensitive states. he should not be bullying Michigan because the the negotiators can't come to a deal we need to stop the book president Trump said he was going to do terror in a room they should probably well well you know what I have kids and I recognize that when you have a people who are fighting you just want people to fix it yeah and these are adults the negotiators need to get back in the room and negotiate and not leave until they have a deal as a governor of the state of Michigan I will be uniquely situated to make sure that these these things don't happen we continue to grow jobs because the fact of the matter is Michigan is 42nd in the nation in infrastructure.

20:30We're 43rd in the nation in economy. We're 45th in the nation in education. We're 46th overall. Outside, people want to make this about the president. Democrats want to make this about the president, but there are 45 states doing better than Michigan, and we all have the same president. By having a governor who will work with everybody on both sides, and including Canada, to make sure that we grow our economy because the status quo isn't working. Michigan hasn't been hurt. We will continue forward to have a more prosperous future and affordable future for Michigan.

20:57Margaret Brennan:Okay, on that point, I want to ask you about your position on data centers. This is such a hot topic. You've said both that the decision to allow data centers should be left to local communities, and then the John James campaign said you support a moratorium on new data centers until there's a plan to protect local communities. Which is it? Yeah, they're not mutually exclusive. They're the same. My position is that we need to have a plan to protect our communities. Until we do, then we have to make sure that we have local control. Our electricity bills can't go up. We must protect our water. We have to prevent pollution.

21:34So hold off for now until there's a vote. That includes land, air, noise pollution. And then we need to make sure that we prioritize blighted and brown fields over productive green farmland. And then, of course, we all need to make sure that we have diverse growth in our economy. But Michigan is open for business but we are not for sale. We need to make sure that we are repealing Public Act 233 and Public Act 235 that give Lansing all the control and pursues these Green New Deal initiatives that are making everything more expensive from our gas to our groceries. You look at our prices from our taxes to our energy costs, we are the highest amongst other Midwestern states.

22:10So again, we need to have local control and we need to make sure we prevent pollution, make sure our electricity bills don't go up. We prioritize blighted brown fields over productive green farmland.

22:18Margaret Brennan:All right, John James, Congressman, thank you for your time today. We'll be right back.

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24:46Margaret Brennan:Welcome back to Face the Nation. We are 65 days away from the midterm elections, and the first mail-in ballots for the midterms will start going out Friday. But President Trump has issued an executive order attempting to restrict voting by mail that is now being challenged by a number of states. CBS News election security analyst David Becker joins us now. Good morning. Good morning, Margaret. David, I always like you helping us to break things down and make sense of it because I think the question here is what the administration is doing is now trying to fight this ruling from a federal judge who said, time out for two weeks as we look at this new rule that would allow the Postal Service to refuse to deliver ballots from states that do not submit lists of eligible voters and follow a uniform envelope style for mail-in voting.

25:37Margaret Brennan:Are voters going to be able to vote by mail? The short answer is yes. There's just simply no time for this executive order to go into effect. The court in Boston realized that this week. That same court had enjoined this order before, and the Supreme Court said earlier this week that it was too early for them to rule on it, but they did not endorse the executive order. They said they were not ruling on the merits at all. So the short answer is right now, 65 days before, ballots are already being printed. They mostly have been printed. Ballot envelopes have long since been printed. The election officials all across the country are already doing the work to prepare for the November election.

26:16Every single state will be sending mail ballots out by mid September. So that is at least to military and overseas voters. So it's simply too late for these changes. I think the courts have recognized that. There's going to be a preliminary injunction hearing this coming week that will formalize that injunction in Boston. It'll probably be appealed, but I think the courts are going to rule that it's just too late for this to be implemented, putting aside the fact that the president simply doesn't have the power to do this on his own.

26:40Margaret Brennan:So you're saying, practically speaking, this doesn't look feasible. But in terms of this two-week pause in the Boston judge put in place, we are still also looking at the Supreme Court. As you just said, they have not ruled on the constitutionality question. They likely may need to take that issue up. So then what? Does this mean there will be changes made after November? Or is it still possible that something changes? So I think there's a couple of big questions that the Supreme Court would have to look at going into this November election. One, is it legal for the president to unilaterally change election policy in the 50 states with the swipe of a pen?

27:23The answer to that should be very simply no. The Constitution is very clear that if the president wants to change election policy at all, he has to go through Congress and he has not done that. But the second question with regard to November is, is it too late? The president didn't sign this executive order until after primaries had already started. And then the Postal Service took two more months to issue just proposed rules that would be reviewed and two more months after that until those rules were finalized. They did this too late and there's no way to change this, even if this were a good idea and it's not.

27:55So I think for 2026, this is almost certainly not going to be implemented. There may be a fight after 2026 on the constitutionality of this, but I think the answer to that is also very clear.

28:04Margaret Brennan:OK, because when you you look at the why or what the impact could be of all of this, statistically, it appears Democrats vote by mail in higher numbers than Republicans. Voters in rural areas and older voters often use mail in voting. There is one very prominent Republican who does vote by mail, and that is the president himself. Yeah. Even though he has said a number of things, casting doubt on it. Take a listen. mail-in ballots you can never have a real democracy with mail-in ballots and we as a Republican Party are going to do everything possible that we get rid of mail-in ballots mail-in ballots are inherently corrupt mail-in ballots we're going to make them so secure you have no idea if you want to stay home you can do it but we got to make them secure because they are crooked as hell again the president votes by mail but this is how he describes it for everyone else.

29:01Margaret Brennan:Do you expect that his rhetoric is going to impact voters' behavior? So what we've seen is it has impacted voters' behavior on his side, on voters who support him. As you mentioned, he voted already twice at least this year, and presumably a third time coming up in November by mail in Florida. What we're seeing is his voters are buying some of the rhetoric and are voting by mail or choosing an option to vote, a very safe and secure option that we've had since at least the Civil War for, you know, over 150 years now. They're bypassing that option. And that's the only reason that we're seeing more Democrats vote by mail now than Republicans since 2020.

29:37Prior to that, it was pretty much even. And so I think Republican campaign operatives might say this is a real concern. We often saw this in the 2024 campaign where the Republican campaigns were really encouraging their voters to vote by mail so they could cross them off the list and they could conduct outreach to other voters. Right.

29:52Margaret Brennan:You'd want everyone out there. Exactly. And especially as here, the voters who really need vote by mail, who don't have other options that are convenient or easy, are those voters that might find it difficult to get to a polling place. Older voters, rural voters, military voters. And I think a lot of Republicans would say those are voters that they really think might be inclined to vote Republican. Right. Advantageous to them. So another thing I'd like for you to clarify for us. Last month, the Homeland Security Secretary said that the federal government identified more than 200 ,000 citizens, non-citizens, I should say, registered to vote in four states, California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Nevada.

30:27Margaret Brennan:He gave those states two weeks to respond. It's a month later. And those states, including the Republican secretary of state in Pennsylvania, say they don't have any information on how the federal government came up with these numbers and these allegations. What is going on? So we've been seeing over and over again, the administration tried to inflate numbers around a potential for noncitizens voting in the country. The president had an Oval Office, or he spoke to the nation. Exactly. And the numbers just don't track. I mean, in that letter, they cited 250 ,000 non-citizens in California, Nevada, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

31:04Every single one of those states got back to the DHS within days and said, tell us what your methodology is for this and give us the list. And at least two of those states have heard from DHS, although kind of confidentially, DHS apparently didn't want to go on the record with this. They had a meeting in Nevada where they had claimed nearly 16 ,000 were non-citizens. And in that meeting, apparently, DHS representatives said, at best, we have 185. In Pennsylvania, they apparently told the Secretary of State they couldn't stand by any of the numbers at all. And if you look at, actually track the number of non-citizens, the numbers are much, much smaller than what we've seen.

31:41Margaret Brennan:And to that point in Pennsylvania, it was the Philadelphia Inquirer who has an article and that communication that the Secretary of State from Pennsylvania, Al Schmidt, had, if you want to read more about the state questioning the feds on that one. Thank you, David. Great. Thanks, Margaret. The FBI has revised its hiring standards and no longer disqualifies applicants who admitted to hiring prostitutes or stealing from an employer. This past June, the Bureau quietly changed how it screens applicants, including would-be agents. Employee theft and solicitation of prostitution are among a group of acts that are no longer considered deal breakers in the FBI hiring process.

32:25Margaret Brennan:The new guidelines, first reported by CBS's Sarah Lynch and Daniel Kleidman, come following the retirement, resignation, and termination of scores of FBI agents during the second Trump administration. CBS has learned that candidates may receive a pass on prostitution if their last encounter was more than 10 years ago, and if they haven't hired sex workers three or more times. Among the other changes, if you admit you stole from your employer, but it happened more than three years ago, you are no longer automatically disqualified from a job. As you can see on this archived web page from 2023, the FBI listed, quote, engagement in prostitution among its automatic disqualifiers for employment.

33:11Margaret Brennan:But a similar version of that document is available today on general eligibility rules, but it contains no reference to prostitution. Former FBI agent James Davidson, who now leads the nonprofit FBI Integrity Project, told CBS, if they are lowering standards, it means the pool of candidates has sufficiently shrunk. FBI Director Kash Patel has not publicly weighed in. We'll be right back. Five years ago today, the last U.S. soldier left Afghanistan, ending America's longest war and leaving that country under the control of the hardline Taliban. We spoke last week with Afghan General Haibtullah Ali Zai.

33:54Margaret Brennan:He was made commander of the entire Afghan army in those final chaotic days of the U.S. withdrawal. We found General Ali Zai in the Washington suburbs, living an immigrant's life like some of the Afghan allies who were evacuated by U.S. forces. He tells us about the bond between the Afghan soldiers he served with and the U.S., despite the politics. The images of Afghans trying to escape the Taliban takeover of their country gripped the world. So desperate, they clung to American planes as U.S. forces withdrew. Some plunged to their deaths. Shouting of people, screaming, and everything we could hear at that part of the airport.

34:38And That was the most unfortunate part of my life.

34:43Margaret Brennan:Did you feel like you were the last line of defense against the Taliban? I think yes. Today, Ali Zai makes ends meet as an Uber driver in America's capital. It's a whole 12-hour shift with Uber and Lyft boats. Sometimes I even work 14 hours, 15 hours. You had seen the worst of combat, but you felt like those last moments in the airport were the hardest things? Absolutely. Why? Absolutely. Because I was thinking about my friends who were killed on the battlefield to defend the country, to fight the global war on terrorism. I didn't have any answers for their families at that point. If they would call me, say, like, why did we lose our sons?

35:33And you were the commander. That was the main point that was eating me from inside. Like, I don't have any answer for those families. And how will I face them?

35:46Margaret Brennan:For nearly 20 years, the U.S. fought a war in Afghanistan sparked by al-Qaeda's terrorist attacks on 9-11. The timeline for America's exit from Afghanistan on August 30, 2021, was set in motion by President Trump's agreement with the Taliban in 2020, signed in Doha. But in the end, the Taliban sweep across the country happened faster than anyone predicted. You knew America and NATO forces were leaving Afghanistan after 20 years. Did you think that in those final weeks you could stop the Taliban from taking over the country? Yes. If not the whole country, but at least some specific locations around the country.

36:32And that's why I just came up with a plan in mid-July and sent my intention to the Ministry of Defense. And since the process was very slow in those days in our government side, making a decision of that kind was, I guess, not easy for the leadership. But yeah, we had options. But time was not in our favor. Everything was just running so quick and so fast.

37:08Margaret Brennan:The Taliban was seizing more territory by the day. As they advanced, Afghanistan's president promoted Ali Zai, and after just four days on the job, ordered him to craft a plan to defend Kabul. Ali Zai told us he was shocked one didn't already exist. It was August 14th. I expected to have a plan already been placed at the Ministry of Defense level to secure Kabul or to defend Kabul. By dawn, the Taliban were in the city. As fear took hold, crowds started to build at the airport looking for an escape. Their home recently bombed by the Taliban, Ali Zai's wife and three sons fled on the last commercial flight out to India.

37:57Margaret Brennan:And then you hear that President Ashraf Ghani and his top aides have gotten on board helicopters and fled. Unfortunately, yes. What did you think? I just had to smile and say, like, OK, it made it easy. Now we can announce the martial law. And it's our right because we still have our troops fighting in different parts of Afghanistan. You still thought there was something worth fighting for. Yeah, absolutely. Our soldiers were fighting in different parts of around Kabul city. And we still had troops in Helmand. We still had troops in provinces around Kabul. The next day, President Biden acknowledged there were some very brave and capable Afghan special units and soldiers.

38:53Margaret Brennan:But he told the American people. The truth is, this did unfold more quickly than we had anticipated. So what's happened? Afghanistan political leaders gave up and fled the country. The Afghan military collapsed sometime without trying to fight. We did fight. As I'm saying, we lost 100 ,000 soldiers defending the country and the world from terrorists. The collapse did not come from soldiers not fighting. The collapse come from the local politicians negotiating with Taliban. And then even the national level politicians also get involved constantly in recent days of collapse to just like, OK, Taliban, Doha deal is happening.

39:50But they did not defeat us in the battlefield. We did try our best, and we did use all the capabilities we had.

39:59Margaret Brennan:Ali Zai spent the next 10 days working with the Americans at Kabul's airport, now the base of operations as they continued their scrambled evacuation. The Americans took with them some of the Afghans who had worked for the U.S., and now risked being killed by a vengeful Taliban. Some who couldn't get out begged soldiers to take their children. On August 26th, it got worse. While the Taliban had claimed the task of securing the perimeter, an ISIS suicide bomber detonated himself in the crowd, killing 170 Afghans and 13 U.S. service members. How did that happen? Did you have any idea that it was that risky during the evacuation?

40:46I had a couple of my generals with me, like the director of intelligence. And he was sitting just right beside me. And we were still getting calls from provinces, from villages. We had, of course, 20 years. And he got a call that the ISKP wanted to attack the American troops. That ISIS was planning an attack. Yes, they were planning. And it was around 22nd or 23rd of August. And yeah, I did share my concern and that report was a legit report.

41:27Margaret Brennan:But Alizai himself was gone the day before the attack. As the clock ticked down to the Biden administration's deadline for withdrawal, Alizai told us he couldn't muster support for an attack on the Taliban leaders. You left on a U.S. military plane along with other Afghans. Afghans. How did that happen? How did you make that choice? On the 25th, I was still trying to form a resistance and be part of the air resistance in Panjshir. I did try my best. And then it was around evening, like sunset, that some American folks showed up and said, like, we are going to close this base and everybody is going to leave in 15 minutes from here.

42:16And that's how I left. And I just put on my civilian clothes that I had from my brother-in-law. And then I put a scarf around my face and there were some Marines took the fingerprints and they just boarded us on a C-17. I didn't know where we are going. You didn't know which country you were headed to? No, when we landed, I didn't know which part of the world we are. And then they said it's Kuwait. I was at the end of the tail of the C-17. And I was sitting in a corner with my brother and with my sister and brother-in-law. So we were together, but I chose to sit in a corner. I didn't want people to recognize me.

43:10Margaret Brennan:Why? I thought they may ask me very tough questions at that point. And I didn't have any answers for them. My mental health was not helping me at that time to engage with people. And four days, I lost everything. And I have been suffering with those allegations for the last five years. And, however, as I said, I never saw any defeat in my entire life. Every single mission I did was 100 percent success. 100 percent success. Alizai now has asylum in the U.S. He describes his new life as that of an immigrant. This is what I have accepted right now. When you accept it, you can do it. I have no other option than this.

44:03Employment is not easy to find in U.S. when especially you are coming from a war zone as an immigrant. It needs a lot of background check. It needs a lot of processes that you have to pass. Hopefully we will find some good employments in the future.

44:23Margaret Brennan:And like thousands of other Afghans, he is separated from his family. Video calls are the closest he gets to his wife and three sons who have asylum in India. For their own protection, we are not showing their faces. So right now, Afghans are heavily restricted from entering the U.S. Some people would refer to it as a ban. That's true. This must be hard for you, since you work so close with the United States, to hear that. That's very hard. Hopefully sometime it will change, not only for me, but for all other Afghans too. When will you see your wife and your boys again? I don't have idea, to be honest.

45:07You don't know? I don't really know because I cannot travel outside U.S.

45:11Margaret Brennan:Alizai also told us he visits with fellow former soldiers. And like many vets, some are still traumatized from combat and the collapse. We chose this way. We chose the friendship even after the collapse to stay with the U.S. And we thought that we are not dealing with an administration. We are dealing with American people. It's a more deeper relationship than just an administration comes and goes. We have shared blood together for 20 years. This is the right side. Whatever happened, still this is the right side. I have some hope. Everything that you did and your family members and the men who served under you did, everything American military members did, what was it for?

46:08I think we as soldiers, we thought that we are defending our countries, and we did. Only securing Afghanistan for 20 years from terrorists was not an easy deal. It's worth it. In the meantime, for 20 years, there was no terrorist attacks in U.S. soil or in America. And that was because of that blood we were sharing and we were donating to the security of the world.

46:51Margaret Brennan:We'll be back in a moment. That's it for us today. Thank you for watching. Until next week. For Face the Nation, I'm Margaret Brennan. The senior executive producer of Face the Nation is Mary Hager Laird. The executive producer is Anne Hsu. This broadcast was directed by Shelley Schwartz. Face the Nation originates from CBS News in Washington. For more Face the Nation, we're online at facethenation.com and on YouTube. Face the Nation is also rebroadcast on our CBS News 24-7 streaming network at 12.30 on Sundays. It's available through our Paramount Plus app. Hello and welcome to Pluto Phone. If you know the name of the movie you'd like to see, just stream it for free on Pluto TV, where all your blockbuster favorites are landing all summer long.

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