UN Ambassador Mike Waltz, Sen. Lindsey Graham, Rep. Jason Crow

22:33President Trump was told that Democrats were not going to support FISA reauthorization, and he got mad and pulled out of the agreement. They will. Mark Warner told me that there are enough votes to get FISA reauthorized, and I would urge President Trump to let Clayton testify, and we nominate Clayton and get him affirmed as the new DNI. We don't want FISA to go dark. There's too many threats to our country for 702 to go down. Anybody who owns the shutting down of 702 under FISA will own a future attack against the United States. We're playing with fire here.

23:09Margaret Brennan:You said you spent time with President Trump this past week. Did he say to you that he will do what you just laid out? I'll let him speak for himself. But I told him that any Democrat that shuts down FISA at a time of great peril of the United States is making a huge mistake. The same would be true of the Trump administration. We need FISA up and running. So here's what I hope will happen, that Clayton will appear before the committee. We'll get him confirmed and we'll get FISA reauthorized as the original plan was. I think the Democratic votes are there. We're playing with fire here. No matter what side does it, America needs FISA up and running.

23:46Margaret Brennan:Well, you're talking about the surveillance tool that allows for foreigners of concern abroad to be monitored there. Bill Pulte went after the president's perceived political enemies and is accused of using private mortgage data and weaponizing it. Mark Warner told us on this program last week, because he's so ignorant, he could do damage. He's on the job right now. Is he a risk? Well, yeah, I'm fine right now, but I won't be fine much longer if we don't get FISA up and running. And I think Clayton is the perfect pick. Clayton has got the confidence of both sides. Let's get him in a job that really matters.

24:28And I thought it was an outstanding choice by President Trump. And let's get this back on track. We can't, you know, we got to realize that there are people who want to blow us all up and kill us. And they're coming if we don't stop them. And if we don't get a run in a box, we're in our trouble. So let's do it. Let's stop talking and get it done.

24:45Margaret Brennan:Senator Graham, thank you very much. Got to go to a break. We'll be right back.

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25:49Margaret Brennan:Welcome back to Face the Nation. We go now to Colorado Democratic Congressman Jason Crow. Happy Father's Day to you.

25:58Jason Crow:Thanks, Margaret.

26:00Margaret Brennan:Congressman, you're on Armed Services and you're on the Intelligence Committee, so I want to get to some of your responsibilities here, particularly on the intel front. We were just speaking with Senator Graham about what's happening at the top of the Office of National Intelligence and the lapse of the surveillance authority. Right now, Bill Pulte is the acting director of national intelligence. He is someone who has been accused of using mortgage information to go after the president's political enemies. I know that's under investigation currently by the GAO. But the fact that he's in the role right now, what harm can be done, if any?

26:44Margaret Brennan:And do Democrats have any power to stop that?

26:50Jason Crow:Well, I'm obviously concerned that this is somebody who's a political attack dog. And his single biggest qualification is that he's loyal to Donald Trump and is willing to go after Donald Trump's enemies. But my more immediate concern is the fact that this is a really important position. This sits atop our intelligence agencies. And by law, Congress mandated that this person have significant intelligence experience because they have to make sure that we're keeping Americans safe, which is not what Bill Pulte is capable of doing. So I'm just more worried day to day that Americans are at risk because we have someone who's incompetent at the head of this agency.

27:26Margaret Brennan:But will Democrats actually still reauthorize FISA? You heard Senator Graham again link the two issues here and said that's really the bigger risk, the lapse of this key surveillance authority. I know when this was up for a vote in front of the House, you were proud of having voted against reauthorization of this surveillance tool. Do you think your party miscalculated here? Yeah.

27:56Jason Crow:No, not at all. I mean, I've always voted for FISA before. I'm on the Intelligence Committee. I know how important it is. But I'm unwilling to trade Americans' constitutional rights, privacy, and essential civil liberties for temporary extension of this program. I'm just unwilling to do it. That's what this administration is asking us to do. They say, give up your constitutional rights, give up Americans' rights and privacy, and we'll just make sure we keep you protected. I mean, that's what autocracies say. I'm not going to do that. I'm willing to have a discussion about what checks we need to put in place, a short term extension.

28:31Jason Crow:I'm not going to give them a three year runway on this program. What about this administration would give us confidence that they're going to follow the law? Short term extensions, then we can talk.

28:42Margaret Brennan:But the chair of the Intelligence Committee in terms of the Democratic leadership there, Jim Himes, said he hadn't seen violations. You're saying that the Trump administration is doing that? I mean, you're disagreeing with your own Democratic leadership.

28:59Jason Crow:No, I'm not disagreeing with Jim. Jim and I talk frequently and we're aligned on this. There are there are public reports, many public reports of potentially thousands of violations. And to be more specific, these public reports allege that the Trump administration is using a filtering tool. Again, this is all public, a filtering tool to bypass the checks and the warrant requirements that would normally be in place to prevent the violation of privacy rights and civil rights of Americans. Now we've gone to the Trump administration and said, tell us this is wrong. Show us why this is wrong. And if we have confidence, then we can kind of move forward to figure out what we need to do.

29:39Jason Crow:They have not responded to us at all. So why would we sit here with no response, all of these allegations, numerous public reports of violations, and just vote blindly to extend this program? It would be absurd for us to do that. And, you know, we have the trust of our constituents and Americans, and we're not going to violate that trust.

29:59Margaret Brennan:Well, on the Senate side, where the fight currently is, Senator Warner said he thinks Trump wants the expiration of this surveillance tool to stay because he could then blame Democrats if some sort of attack happened here. So what do you make of that? And what will it take for you to reauthorize FISA? Because I don't hear a solution from what you just said.

30:22Jason Crow:Yeah, well, first of all, I agree with Senator Warner. I don't think Donald Trump cares about Americans' national security and safety. I think he has shown very clearly over the years his willingness to weaponize national defense, the military, the intelligence community, the Department of Justice against his enemies to score political points at the jeopardy of American citizens. I mean, hell, the guy tried to put me in prison back in February simply because I told soldiers that they have to follow the law and obey their oaths. So that is true. What we need to do is we need very specific guarantees from this administration.

30:59Jason Crow:I want the facts. Are they violating the law? Are they skirting around the requirement? Number one. Number two, additional safeguards. The last time we reauthorized this program, we put 55 additional safeguards in place. We've learned between now and then there are more safeguards that are necessary.

31:16Margaret Brennan:This all takes time.

31:17Jason Crow:And number three, a shorter term extension, a shorter term extension. No, it wouldn't take that much time. In a matter of days, they could give us that information. We could figure that out. We could vote on something. We could get it done.

31:29Margaret Brennan:Let me ask you, because there was other news this week on the Armed Services Committee, Secretary Hegseth announced the U.S. is going to conduct a six-month review of the U.S. force posture in Europe. He threatened to cut American dues to NATO if European nations don't boost military spending. He said NATO reluctance to assist in the American strikes on Iran seem to be linked here to a potential reduction of U.S. forces in Europe. Have you received any information on what this means, where the troops would be pulled from? What does this look like?

32:06Jason Crow:Well, this administration is going to have a heck of a time in front of the Bipartisan Armed Services Committee, which in an overwhelming bipartisan manner has said very clearly no troop withdrawals or changes from Europe unless they come to the committee and explain why that's in our national security interest. Over and over we've done that and we just did that last month when we marked up the annual defense budget. So they haven't come to us, they haven't given us any of those details. I'm not presumptively against troop changes but what I am against troop changes is when they're not tied to our national security.

32:41Jason Crow:You know, if they want to move troops around Europe, fine, let's have that discussion. But pulling them out of Europe would actually be detrimental to Americans.

32:48Margaret Brennan:I want to ask you about Iran. The delegation that arrived in Switzerland was on board a plane that had painted on the side the word Minab 168. That's a reference to the bombing that killed 168 people, most of them school children. The U.S. military is still investigating, But what can you tell us about American culpability and that probe?

33:16Jason Crow:Yeah, unfortunately, not very much. I've been pushing extremely hard, the CENTCOM, Central Command Commander Admiral Kruper and others, for facts on this. This could be the single largest civilian casualty incident in U.S. military history. We need facts. We need to make sure that we own up to it, that we take accountability, that we make it right. And, you know, as the founder of the Protection of Civilians in Conflict Caucus, I actually have done work for years around protection of civilians in conflict because my own time at war taught me the devastating effects, not just morally, but to our national security when we kill innocents.

33:58Jason Crow:We need answers to this. And they're clearly slow rolling us. Right. This administration has no problem putting posting videos of strikes, posting videos of operations when they want us to see it. And then when they don't want us to see it, they slow roll it. That's clearly what's happening here. So we're going to push hard to get to get answers.

34:17Margaret Brennan:All right. We'll be tracking it. Jason Crow, Congressman from Colorado. Thank you very much. We'll be right back. Hey, parents, we all know summer break is for fun, but it's also a time when kids can start losing some of the progress they made during the school year. We want them to stay engaged and keep those young minds active. Between camps, vacations, and family time, it can be tough to keep a learning routine going. That's why I want to tell you about IXL. IXL is an award-winning online learning platform that helps kids truly understand what they're learning, whether they're building math confidence, strengthening reading and writing skills, or reviewing science concepts.

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36:38Margaret Brennan:There's been a big focus on Washington landmarks in recent months, but this weekend marks the opening of the Obama Presidential Center in Chicago. Last Thursday, all the living former presidents and first ladies gathered for the dedication ceremony at the center on Chicago's South Side to honor and celebrate the legacy of the nation's first black president. Please help me welcome President Barack Obama. In his remarks, former President Barack Obama spoke of America's resilience and urged them to reject division and recommit to each other. For us to give it now, after all this country's been through to cynicism and division would be a betrayal of our founding ideas.

37:19Margaret Brennan:The former president was visibly moved by his speech from former First Lady Michelle Obama. Eight years in the crucible, and not once did you melt from the heat. You were doing the people's work, rescuing our economy, expanding health care, ending a war, ordering the bin Laden rate, saving an auto industry, winning a peace prize.

37:50Margaret Brennan:The Obama Presidential Center is somewhat of a departure from tradition. It was designed to be a place for the community to gather and includes a 19-acre park, a branch of the Chicago Public Library, and an NBA-sized basketball court. And we're joined now by our executive director of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvato. Good to have you here, Anthony. So what has been the reaction to this agreement? Good morning, Margaret. People want the war to end, but this doesn't necessarily read as a satisfying end. Let me unpack that. Given the choice, yes, overwhelmingly, Americans say try to end the war.

38:29They see the potential for gas prices going down now. And you'll remember That's been the chief domestic side complaint about the ramifications of all this. When they look overseas, though, they see an Iran that they're not convinced has permanently stopped its nuclear program. That's number one. An Iran that Americans think will still probably threaten its neighbors in the region. There are even other items that Americans have said ought to be U.S. aims, whether or not the administration has said that they are, like making sure the Iranian people are safe and free, like changing Iran's leadership to be more pro-U.S., that are on the list of things Americans say are not done.

39:10So on balance, Americans, very few, think that the U.S. is getting the better of this agreement. One might think that would be the benchmark. It's at best even. They don't see the war as having been worth the cost if it ends now.

39:25Margaret Brennan:They're unconvinced by President Trump's claim of victory here. So why does the public think he made the deal. So they see a bit of expediency here in the sense that, yes, they think the administration is making the deal mainly because it wants to end the war, not that it thinks the U.S. has necessarily met all of its goals. Cutting its losses, essentially. And at the same time, they suspect the administration didn't quite judge the reaction of the world economy. That has the ramifications back for gas prices at home, of course. And so that going forward says, OK, the people who say they've been most affected by gas prices are the ones who most want the war to end.

40:05And you see some of that reflected in the president's approval ratings, which have been ticking down through the course of the war. But they've stabilized now just up another point. However, I should add on within the Republican base, the president's base, which has and does back him on this. There's a sizable 40 percent that say they think the administration should press on until Iran gives up more. So they see some unfinished business here. They're more likely to say it's not acceptable to leave the current Iranian regime in power and in the war. They're more apt to think that Iran, yes, will threaten its neighbors.

40:40That's what I mean by that unfinished business. And overall, the public still thinks that this conflict has created more problems than it's solved.

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42:33Margaret Brennan:That's rosettastone.com slash audio and start learning a language for real. What impact will America's negotiations with Iran have on gas prices? We're joined by energy analyst Kevin Book of Clearview Energy Partners and Amos Hochstein, a former Biden White House senior energy advisor and Middle East negotiator. Good morning to you both. This is probably one of the most central conversations because the president made it very clear that the price of fuel was at the heart of some of his decisions. He said he doesn't want economic catastrophe. We're running out of these fuel inventories. So, Kevin, when do we get back to pre-war gas prices?

43:11It might be a while, Margaret. So we've seen some downward travel rapidly in the gasoline price. We probably have another five to 10 cents per gallon coming if the oil price holds. But we have some uncertainty about what's coming next. And so to get all the way back to where we were before the war, we would need inventories to replenish. We've drawn them down a lot and it's going to take a while. The International Energy Agency doesn't expect to see a surplus before the end of this year, maybe next year. So refilling those inventories and coming back to that price might be a while.

43:38Margaret Brennan:So it's not the quick fix that perhaps the president is hoping for here. I mean, there are a lot of moving parts here. It's confusing because the IRGC yesterday was saying they control the strait. CENTCOM says that's not true. We see reports that there are tankers moving through the Strait of Hormuz now. Does Iran control the strait? And is Is there a way the U.S. can do what Senator Graham proposed, which was just bomb our way to control of it? Well, first, yes, Iran controls the strait. And I've said this for weeks. No matter what the agreement says, whatever the MOU says. And by the way, the MOU hints at Iran having control of the strait in the future together with Oman.

44:20Point five there. Inside the MOU, which is remarkable that we have essentially given that point away ahead of the negotiation. But Iran is already saying it's not control is not just about a toll, a price for now. It's about I want 48 hours notice before you're going to cross. Or they'll say that ship from the company that I don't like can't cross today. You can cross tomorrow or never. Or if I don't like Saudi Arabia or I'm upset with Kuwait, I can say your ships are not crossing. Control means a lot of different things. But effectively, they are planning for control with eventually a toll of some kind or a fee structure of some kind.

45:01That's the world we're going towards.

45:02Margaret Brennan:But a toll is a violation of international law. But the president is saying the U.S. will charge one if this doesn't go our way. How does that work? Look, the president is saying if we will bomb it, we'll take it, we'll charge a toll, whatever. I put that as some of the bravado rhetoric that nobody's paying attention to anymore. The Iranians saying that it's against the international law to charge a toll. I mean, the Iranian supporting terrorists in Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen, they're doing a lot of things against international law. Charging a toll will be the least of it. But what they're basically telling the market is, do you want the street fully open with a toll or do you want chaos where you never know what's happening without a toll?

45:39But they'll have control. That's what is what they're aiming for. That's the result of this war.

45:44Margaret Brennan:you heard Mike Waltz, the ambassador, and other U.S. officials claim, Vice President Vance claimed this was like a historic meeting, just the fact that they had the meeting. For two years, the Obama administration negotiated with Iran. I covered it. You were part of it. When you hear these claims that this is somehow going to be better, based on the facts, What's your biggest problem with this document, the MOU? So my biggest problem is that we've signed a document that says, Iran, you get money, control, access to unfrozen assets. We reverse the, we give a waiver on your oil and petrochemical sanctions.

46:29And all you have to do is open the straits and agree to talk to us about something they were already talking to us before the war. We're giving, that entire document is giving incentives to Iran. All they have to do is open the straits. That's it. That is my problem. And we got out of the JCPOA, the 2015 agreement, because we said, what did Trump say at the time? You didn't address missiles. You didn't address support for proxies. We've now said it's off the table. They have every more than that. We've given them the right to have a ballistic missile. This agreement made America less safe. We should never have gone to war, but we've now essentially surrendered.

47:07Margaret Brennan:Well, Kevin, you in your analysis went point by point comparing the memorandum to the interim agreement, the J-Poa, as John Kerry used to call it, instead of the JCPOA. And you, as an analyst, not as anyone with political ties here, say that the Trump deal is more lenient than the Obama deal in several respects. Can you break this down? Sure. The most obvious is that the old deal that preceded the JCPOA, the Joint Plan of Action, JPOA, limited Iran's exports to 1.1 million barrels per day. There is no obvious limit in this deal. So the MOU, to the extent that it corresponds to the JPOA, is essentially saying that Iran can resume exports probably at the 1.6, 1.7 million barrels per day level it was exporting at before the war.

47:59Now, would it return all the way to 2.5 million barrels per day? Probably not, because importing countries, we're going to have to have some confidence in the durability of this. And so I think in that respect, it's probably the biggest give relative to its predecessor.

48:13Margaret Brennan:Well, on this point, Vice President Vance was asked about Iran being able to sell its own oil again. And I want to read it to you, Amos. He said, by lifting the sanctions, letting them sell their own oil, we're going to be able to see a little bit where their financial system actually sends money and receives money. And that's a real benefit to the American people. I don't know. What do you make of that? I have no idea what he's I don't have no idea what it means. At the end, they sell oil by giving waivers. It means two things. One, it expands the number of customers they'll have from just China, essentially.

48:47And number two, they won't be they won't get a force to sell their oil at a discount. They'll get the full amount because there's no discount when there's no sanctions. So instead of selling before the war, meaning in December, discount to$60, so 50-something dollars a barrel, they'll be selling it at about$75 to$80 a barrel. That means a billion a week in revenue. We've had years of them selling oil. We know how their financial system works. Treasury knows how their financial system works. The intelligence community does. Why we're giving, as Kevin just said, why we're allowing them to get all the money up front and then expect them to make concessions, and the same concessions we could not get them to do during battle, during war, that somehow they'll do while they're making enormous amounts of money.

49:34And God only knows what they're going to be spending this money on. Again, I wasn't for this war. I was against this war, and I'm glad the war is over. But how wars end matters, and this makes America less safe, and the region.

49:46Margaret Brennan:So, Kevin, you hear from the administration, though, oh, but we're energy independent. Why doesn't that argument work? Well, we both import and export oil, Margaret. We're connected to the global market, and so it matters what the price is for petroleum everywhere in the world. And when it's short, it affects us. It affects us not just because of the oil that we produce a lot of, and frankly, U.S. exports have been a very big part of keeping the price down for everybody in the world. No, it's also that because the products that are made from oil have been short, the gasoline and diesel fuel that we use on American roads depend on import flows as well.

50:18And so for optimizing the efficiency of our system, we have both imports and exports. We would not want to live on an energy island. It would be a very expensive place.

50:27Margaret Brennan:Amos, I want to get to your expertise having handled Lebanon. Point one in this deal says that there will be an immediate and permanent termination of military operations, including in Lebanon. Lebanon, Hezbollah and Israel are not part of these negotiations. This seems to be a concession to Iran. Well, it is, but it's a very big one because it's more than what it just says. What we have tried in successive administrations has been to say Iran is not in control of Lebanon. Any decisions on Lebanon, you know I negotiated there for a long time, will be decided between Israel, the United States, and Lebanon, not Iran.

51:08This essentially gives authority to Iran over what happens in Lebanon. And that is a huge concession to Iran and a big blow to the government of Lebanon. And now what's happening is it's extending Hezbollah's support among the political support in Lebanon when it was reeling. The vast majority of Lebanese wanted Hezbollah out. They wanted this water over. And the two things that have made Hezbollah popular is, one, Israel sort of overplaying its hand and occupying large parts and saying they'll never withdraw from what is called now the yellow line. and the United States saying that Iran is now in control of the fate of Lebanon.

51:47Margaret Brennan:And those talks here in D.C. is scheduled still to take place this week. Gentlemen, thank you. We'll be right back. Quick update from Congressman Crowe that he says he meant modern military history, not U.S. military history. That's it for all of us. But before we go, happy Father's Day to my dad, my husband, my father-in-law and all of you out there. I'm Margaret Brennan and this has been Face the Nation. The senior executive producer of Face the Nation is Mary Hager Laird. The executive producer is Anne Hsu. This broadcast was directed by Shelley Schwartz. Face the Nation originates from CBS News in Washington.

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