Fantasy Football - Free Agency Winners & Losers + Waddle Trade Reaction - Podcast for 3/24

8:17Andy Holloway:Dude.

8:18Jason Moore:He was someone that was. Did they tell him?

8:21Andy Holloway:I know. Because it's like by all accounts, it was Malik Willis can go to the Dolphins or he can go to the Arizona Cardinals. The Arizona Cardinals have playmakers. The Dolphins now have picks, so they'll replenish with somebody. But you're like, hey, maybe we could get someone who's as good as Jalen Waddell type of thing. It might be a boat. But he is not put into a position of success. Here's where I'll say. Kyle is – Terrace Marshall is on the Dolphins? lockjaw lockjaw i i mean who's the one there malik washington nobody no they know it's whoever they draft tolbert who did they just say yeah they got

9:07Mike Wright:tolbert too but they will draft somebody and this situation will repeat what it did before which is waddle got drafted to a situation people didn't necessarily love on a bad team with a bad quarterback play and waddle became a superstar immediately if you look at it from that perspective like Miami hasn't. They now have an open one spot. They do. So when you talk about any of these guys in the first round being picked, I mean, fill in the blank. I don't care who you want to put in there. Carnell Tate or you put in Concepcion later in the first round.

9:37Andy Holloway:What's their first pick?

9:39Mike Wright:Or Denzel Boston. Whoever they end up landing. To me, it's a huge opportunity.

9:44Andy Holloway:They're at 11.

9:45Mike Wright:I mean, that is prime. Yeah, I guess. If Makai Lemon goes to Miami, all of a sudden you're like, okay, he's just the one from day one. And in that regard, it's exciting.

9:55Jason Moore:Feels like at the 11, they've got to take one of those three wide receivers and that will be that would potentially completely change the pre-draft order of those three wide receivers. Like if we've got Tyson first and Lemon goes there I mean you've got this

10:13Andy Holloway:you've got to get through the Browns, right? We don't sorry Browns, this is fantasy football. I don't want one of the big three going to the Cleveland Browns and just wasting away, Garrett Wilsoning away his career for that team, never really giving us fantasy football value. So it's like, hypothetically, Tate goes to the Cleveland Browns. Makai Lemon goes to the Dolphins. Do you think you better think that Tate is just that dominant that it won't matter because the situations will be upside down.

10:47Mike Wright:Where do you think this puts Waddle in the fantasy universe right now? Because I don't think there's going to be any debate that the Denver offense is a better offense than what Miami was going to bring to the table. The issue with Waddle historically inconsistency and injury was going to get that opportunity, but they're going to run the ball a lot in Denver as well.

11:11Jason Moore:Yeah, they certainly want to run the ball. They've got a great defense, so this isn't a team that is going to be requiring putting up 30 points and passing as much as you'd like it I'm guessing he'll finish somewhere around wide receiver 25 like on the wide receiver 2-3 bubble to me I would probably

11:29Mike Wright:if you had asked me I'd probably be around 18-19 Mike where are you I'm close I'm closer to Jason I just don't know that the touchdowns will be there okay well we got news this morning the The Seahawks signed Jackson, Smith, and Jigba to a four-year,$168 million extension.

11:50Andy Holloway:We probably don't have a really cool money. Do we have a money drop yet? Do we?

11:55Jason Moore:I mean, that's still pretty cool. All right.

11:58Mike Wright:We're working on it. Yeah. It's going to be some growing pains. Well, this is an extension. He still has his fifth year. I think it averages to 32 when you consider the six years he's under contract. It's huge. I mean, it's a massive deal. This is part of what you're going to see the Seahawks have to do. This isn't the only player they're going to have to pay on this team. They have a young defense with some stars.

12:20Andy Holloway:They're paying their wide receivers. Yeah. You got JSN. You had the Rashid Shaheed deal that already went through. True. And guys, we were worried that Jake Bobo was going to be stolen by the Jacksonville Jaguars. And the Seattle Seahawks said, nay. No way. We will match the offer. We're not losing Bobo. Mm-mm. No, no.

12:43Mike Wright:That's where all our money's going to go, go. What else is going on? Hollywood Brown, one-year deal with the Eagles. Eagles had mostly been letting players go this offseason, so.

12:54Jason Moore:Okay.

12:56Andy Holloway:Got to have that A.J.

12:57Mike Wright:Brown replacement ready. It's the Jahan Dotson filling.

13:00Jason Moore:Yeah, it is right now. I mean, I will say it becomes far more relevant should A.J. Brown be traded than this is something to pay attention to. I've got him in a couple of dynasty leagues, so it's like, hey oh okay yeah all right maybe his career so over um they also acquired andy dalton

13:18Mike Wright:for a seven and then immediately came out this was so weird they trade for andy dalton and then

13:23Jason Moore:want it known by all don't worry he's not the backup quarterback okay he's gonna the second press release yeah like you know quarterback three okay like what was the yeah tanner mckee is locked in at QB2. We just had to trade for Andy Dalton. I mean, it's a seventh-round pick, but...

13:45Andy Holloway:So the Panthers are rolling with Bryce and Kenny Pickett. Yeah, man. It felt like a strange move by the Panthers. Maybe this was a, we gotta get... We cannot have any more talk of Andy Dalton versus Bryce Young. I don't know. It seems weird.

14:05Mike Wright:Bunch of one-year deals. These are all in the mediocre signing category. I don't know where that drop is, if Al can find it. A.J. Dillon, one year with Carolina. Damian Pierce, one year with Philadelphia. Ty Chandler, one year with New Orleans. Greg Dortch, one year with his former offensive coordinator, the Blobfish. In Detroit. Greg Dortch to Detroit. All right, here we go.

14:35Jason Moore:Mediocre Signing of the Week. I think that officially went to Greg Dorch.

14:41Andy Holloway:Yeah.

14:41Mike Wright:Yeah, it's a last name. Yeah, for sure. Also, some players retired that we really thought were retired a long time ago. But formally,

14:51Jason Moore:T.Y. Hilton just retired? That is absurd. That is absolutely absurd. He put out this big statement like he's walking away. You missed your window, man. There's got to be a statute of limitations. Yeah, you're not allowed to retire that late. And it stinks because it's like we would have celebrated T.Y.

15:10Andy Holloway:Hilton. Oh, yes. Hilton was a great player. Hilton gave us. He played in 2022. He gave us tons of fantasy football production.

15:17Jason Moore:So what is the statute of limitations in our opinion for.

15:22Mike Wright:Oh, for a retirement? Two. Two years. Two years of not being on the field.

15:25Andy Holloway:Yeah. Okay. So you didn't play. Unless you're totally hurt that entire time. Right.

15:32Mike Wright:So if you have two years where a team didn't want you. He was on Dallas? Wait. Hold on. Two years since his final year he was on the Dallas roster. I have no memory of this. I find that hard to believe. There you go. There's also the news of Travis Kelsey.

15:52Jason Moore:Travis Kelsey signed a – it was reported like a four-year contract, but really they're void years. It's a one-year$12 million deal. With$3 million in incentives. Yeah, and so they stretched out the signing bonuses so that there's like a small cap hit in 2027. Next year he'll decide if he's going to play or not and then redo the contract again, but he is officially playing this season.

16:16Andy Holloway:T.Y. Hilton caught seven passes. For Dallas? For Dallas. Six of them were first downs. I get why he didn't want to retire. That's a crazy conversion rate.

16:25Mike Wright:He's been pitching teams with that number for years. All right. Well, I think that's going to do it for news. We'll take a break, and we're going to jump into our official free agency winners and losers.

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18:38Mike Wright:All right, we've had a chance. we've watched teams make their moves. A lot of trades this year. A lot of moves in free agency. Big money. The biggest cap for the NFL that we've ever seen. Time to talk winners and losers.

19:00Jason Moore:We're going to win.

19:03Mike Wright:We're going to win!

19:10okay free agency winners these are our biggest yes yeah because there's a lot of uh of guys

19:17Jason Moore:that we won't necessarily talk about but the people that we think got kicked in the junk the most right you know or did the kicking yeah or did the kicking yeah it's got to be bad to get

19:27Mike Wright:kicked in the junk but not enough to be on the segment do you know what i mean oh yeah you maybe

19:32Jason Moore:Maybe you're a worse loser than our biggest losers today.

19:36Mike Wright:Yeah. I just think getting kicked at all is tough. Jason, why don't you kick it off? We're going to start with the -

19:42Jason Moore:That was like the guy who year after year sent in the video getting hard kicked. Okay. Are we going to talk about that? Yeah, I'm doing it. It's been mentioned before.

19:50Mike Wright:You got hard kicked in the nuts. I don't think people out there know what we're talking about.

19:53Jason Moore:To apply to make it on the, you know, to join our listener leader.

19:58Andy Holloway:Inspired by like a Johnny Knoxville situation.

20:00Jason Moore:And then he didn't get in. It was close. It was admirable. He was in consideration. Great work. Hard kick. But didn't make it on. So that's tough.

20:13Mike Wright:All right, Jason, your biggest winner in free agency. Who'd you go with?

20:17Jason Moore:I went with the littlest man for the biggest winner. Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray's a huge winner. It was funny. Andy mentioned to me this morning when he saw this, you guys are in the card world. But apparently Kyler Murray's card value, his trading card value, it is the number one highest moving card value across all sports. He's doing better than some of these Pokemon cards.

20:42Mike Wright:I will say it's because it was that low. Fair, fair. It's really true. His market was nowhere. And then he gets picked up and it's jettisoned upward.

20:53Jason Moore:And from a fantasy football perspective, Kyler is important. You can hate watching him. You could complain about everything that he does, but on a per-game basis, he scores a lot of fantasy points. This last year was a very down year. Obviously, you've got Trey McBride. You talk about some of the weapons, but is Marvin Harrison truly a stud? I don't know. Michael Wilson is, but he didn't throw the ball. Is Justin Jefferson a stud? Yes. Yeah. He's probably the best wide receiver in the National Football League. You've got a great system here, a great coach, Kevin O 'Connell. and I think the best weapons he's ever had.

21:30Jason Moore:I don't think he's ever had a receiving core like this. Back in the day when he had DeAndre Hopkins in Hopkins' prime.

21:37Mike Wright:Yeah, I mean, I think Hopkins and Kirk was pretty good.

21:40Jason Moore:Yeah, definitely pretty good. Maybe as good as this. I don't know that it was, but it certainly wasn't categorically better than this. And keep in mind, Kyler Murray, when he had that, was the quarterback two in fantasy football. Like the number two quarterback. He was scoring 23.7 fantasy points per game. And I think that you can see a resurgence for fantasy this year while he's playing for a contract. He's on a one-year deal. So he's going to score a ton of fantasy points, be a top ten. Like I guarantee he's a top ten fantasy quarterback.

22:16Mike Wright:Okay, I'm not in that camp.

22:18Andy Holloway:I was going to ask, are you going to fall into the Kyler Murray punji pit? Yeah. Yeah. Just going to go right in? He's a very, very different.

22:28Mike Wright:We've said this. We've watched the tape in Arizona. He's a very, very different player than he was during his heyday for fantasy. None of that is to make him not a winner. I mean, this is as much of a winner as he could possibly be. Agreed. And it's the same for the Vikings. And I'll be shocked if J.J. McCarthy is even on this team. That's about where I'm at. I feel like if they end up making the decision that they're going to move forward, they sign Carson Wentz, there's a chance they just trade him. It's a great win for Kyler. I don't think he's the same quarterback he used to be. I don't know that I have the confidence in Kevin O 'Connell that I think people want to give.

23:03Mike Wright:I think it would be fair to look at Kevin O 'Connell and say, okay, well, he's the quarterback whisperer, right? Except for he didn't do it right with, like it didn't work with J.J., right? Correct. Oh, and then they also gave up on Darnold, right? Oh, and they also gave up on Daniel Jones, right? I mean, these are all decisions that this team made. So, like, to me you're like—

23:23Andy Holloway:I would say sort of. I mean, you don't know how much of that is O 'Connell or the GM who was— the firing of the GM says that he is taking most of the responsibility for that. And the Daniel Jones was—the offers were competitive. Like, I think they were pretty much the same. He just saw the path of an easier start in Indianapolis.

23:46Mike Wright:Then let's change the argument to organizationally they've made quarterback mistakes. Sure. So that's at least out there in the world. I do think that the potential for Kyler is tremendous. But I am concerned about the offensive line and our expectations in fantasy.

23:59Jason Moore:His past, especially this last year, the frustration with him in fantasy circles, I believe he will be underdrafted. Right now he's being drafted at quarterback 18. He'll certainly not be that low. But I think he might be close to that. You know, he might be a true late-round quarterback. And if he is still a late-round quarterback, as a mobile guy with the receiving weapons he has, I will be in in fantasy.

24:25Mike Wright:We have not had a top-10 season from him. Or I guess that super year was 2020. Man, it's been a while.

24:32Jason Moore:Yeah.

24:33Mike Wright:Yeah, he's going to have everything in front of him. And it's great for, you know, if you want to throw Jefferson in as a free agency winner, I think that would be appropriate. For sure. I think Addison, free agency winner. This team is primed to make a run. I don't know what the numbers are going to be like for fantasy. Maybe I'll get more hyped as time goes on, as he gets further and further away from Arizona. But regardless, I think that there's a decent chance that you're talking about comeback player of the year, that you're talking about a team that's in the playoffs and could make a deep run.

25:07Mike Wright:And all of those things will be super nice knife twists for the Cardinal fans out here.

25:12Andy Holloway:We'll see how they're – they better fix that offensive line.

25:16Mike Wright:Well, that is – that's what we saw from Kyler in Arizona.

25:19Andy Holloway:Because if the offensive line is bad, Kyler Murray's – the dog has left the kennel. Yeah.

25:27Mike Wright:Nice. Yeah. He does not have – he goes down quick. He does not step up into the pocket. He'll try to run and slide. Ever since he got hurt.

25:37Jason Moore:I think he is a very talented player, a very talented quarterback. He is incredibly athletically gifted. so talented he is such a coward this is your winner he is a coward he plays like a coward

25:51Andy Holloway:I was trying to say it the nicest way I could are you a coward

25:56Mike Wright:are you a coward though if you are that legitimately if you're that small

26:03Jason Moore:isn't it just being a realist yes absolutely because of squish I think he is not unwise to play like a coward. I'm not saying I'm going out there and taking those hits. I would be a coward. I will not. If I'm out there, make no mistake, I would be a coward. I am a coward. Like Kyler Murray. There you go.

26:29Mike Wright:I'll go next, Mike. Winner. I think you're exercising some... We're all exercising our demons. The opportunity is amazing. and for goodness sakes let's let's get jefferson back into a weekly car when we do our conversation about studs and duds can we talk about jefferson the stud every once in a while please that'll be that'll be fun so don't be a coward kyler um two sophomore tight ends those are my biggest winners

27:01Andy Holloway:for free agency it's not always the guy who changes teams nope it is the beneficiaries

27:08Mike Wright:on both of these teams, the emerging young talents. Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland, those are my biggest winners for fantasy football purposes. Michael Pittman, a product of the free agent period, the signing of Alec Pierce meant that Michael Pittman was going to get shipped out of town to Pittsburgh. And then Colston Loveland with the departure of DJ Moore, the emergence over the late part of the year. I like Kadoonze. I like Luther Burden. In fact, I went back and watched the Luther Burden tape again. oh yeah really like i really i was ready to go like right back into the like a dunce will be the cheaper better option and i watched that tape and i was like nope and i loved burden coming out of college um man he might be the one but yeah it's it's i i thought about putting colson loveland

27:55Jason Moore:down for the biggest winner on this and i had just done the exact same thing you did i just watched all that Luther Burden tape and I was like I think he might he might he's he's like I don't he just he's really good he moves different you forget because the season is long and he had such short stints of success but when you go and you watch all the success together and you go oh man

28:20Mike Wright:he looks so good yeah and Loveland was dominant for this team over the late part of the year it's funny because Michael Pittman vacated 21 percent of the targets in Indianapolis which you're like that's a lot and tyler warren is very good and daniel jones will be back but then you look at chicago and dj moore was 17 but uh olamita zikias was another 12 of that offense so that's 29 vacated in chicago so that does mean good things for like there you can sub in luther burden's name and roma dunze's name for colson loveland all three of those guys are winners in chicago dj moore was unnecessary expense that's what he was he was just too like they literally had to come up with different ways to use him that were just not even that beneficial to the team it's a good move for both of those guys to have some of their competition leave town um colson loveland playoff target share was 28 with dj moore it was 23 weeks 14 through 18 um right now an underdog like trey mcbride's the expensive tight end at 18 overall loveland and Warren are 46 and 69.

29:29Mike Wright:That makes Tyler Warren, to me, stand out at least in terms of people already expecting and baking in the Loveland leap. They are. The Warren is not being accounted for.

29:40Jason Moore:The Warren is crazy because to me, you say, okay, is Colson Loveland the number one target on the team? The number one target on the Bears? Probably.

29:50Mike Wright:That's how I feel too. You would say probably?

29:53Jason Moore:I would say could be. I don't think it is probable when you've got we were just talking about Luther Burton how good he looked and you've got Roma Dunze but on the other side when you say to me Tyler Warren will be the leading target for the Colts I think the probability the probability of who gets the higher percentage of target share I would put to the Tyler Warren side.

30:16Mike Wright:The competition outside of the tight end is greater for Chicago's talent than it is for Indianapolis' talent because Josh Downs will get – I mean, he's going to be a beneficiary. Alec Pierce is a beneficiary of this, both of those guys. But 20 picks different for Tyler Warren, that might be a shot worth taking. Both those guys' big winners.

30:35Andy Holloway:Warren ended the year at a 21 % target share. I think he makes the jump to 25 next year. Which is just awesome for a tight end. Yeah, and I am Team Loveland over Warren, But when all things are factored in to how people are, the market's reacting to Warren. I don't think it's reacting enough how it is reacting to Loveland.

31:00Mike Wright:Yeah.

31:01Andy Holloway:Yeah, I think so. Mike, who's your big winner? I mean, come on. It's just how much winning is the question for Ken Bone Walker, a.k.a. Kenneth Walker III. A.k.a. A.k.a. his name. Number one enforced missed tackle rate last year compared to the Kansas City running backs as a team, as a unit. They ranked dead last in that metric. Last year, the Kansas City running backs had one run of more than 20 yards. That's crazy. Kenneth Walker himself had 10. And that was Kenneth Walker who had the, I mean, he had a governor on him. He had the restrictor that his team was just not giving him a true workhorse role.

31:49Andy Holloway:the anti-Walker side will say, well, that kept him healthy. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe Kenneth Walker would have just stayed healthy. When you look back on Kenneth Walker's success as a fantasy running back, his first three years, his good games, 47%, 53%, 55 % in year three. And the bust rate, very, very low. But then last year it jumps up to 41 % because you had Zach Charbonnet come in and take all the touchdowns. As of right now, there is nobody in Kenneth Walker's way for the goal line role in Kansas City. He will be first in line for receptions. He will be first in line for touchdowns. I mean, it's like maybe they bring Kareem Hunt back and they say, well, he was real successful in the short area.

32:43Andy Holloway:I still think that the contract, the amount of money that they have guaranteed to Kenneth Walker puts him as the guy. It's been a long time. We have been waiting for the next Andy Reid running back to show up. Because do not forget, Andy Reid was our king. He was the fantasy football running back king. It did not matter who he drafted. there's a reason Clyde Edwards just catapulted to the 101 in rookie drafts over Jonathan Taylor who was clearly a better player than Clyde because Andy Reid's running backs give us dominant Kareem Hunt was dominant, Westbrook was dominant Shady McCoy he's used workhorse guys before, Eric Biennemi being back I think that is a huge deal those were the Kareem Hunt years and so I'm super excited for Kenneth Walker right now an underdog he's going as the running back 11 and for me when I've looked at the names who are going in front of him I think

33:50Mike Wright:that is just too low we had this debate um I don't know if it was on the footcast or when we were talking about it because we were looking at like was it dynasty startup rankings for running backs we did yeah we did have that conversation jason was yeah jason wasn't here on that one i am curious where you have ken walker slotted in for me he's at eight in dynasty because he is ahead of bucky irving for me he's ahead of judkins for me he's behind jonathan taylor still hampton h and genti gibbs and bijon the way i felt about the walker discussion it was higher for you it

34:28Andy Holloway:is yes i mean for me it's um well now in in jeremiah love is in that as well but it's like yeah the conversation of dynasty running backs goes starts with bijon and jameer gibbs and to me those are the only two that i can i will concrete them above kenneth walker now the rest but the rest of the list really yeah that's that's where i was i mean i think there's a handful from them. I'm talking firm concrete is only Bijan and Gibbs.

34:57Jason Moore:Ashen Gentry is not firm concrete. No, he's not. He is for me. Amarian Hampton is not firm concrete. No, he is not.

35:02Mike Wright:Divine Achan should be.

35:05Andy Holloway:Situation is

35:06Jason Moore:weird. To me, it's funny because I'm kind of more on Mike's side where I think with a new contract, he's not that old. He's 25? Yeah, he feels older than he is. He's 25.4 years old. It's a great situation. I could see him being a top five fantasy back at the end of the year. However, there's a handful of younger running backs that I would still put in a tier above Walker.

35:37Mike Wright:Yeah, you're still depending on him doing something he hasn't done. That's a realistic thing to say. He has not finished in the top 15 at the position ever. So you're still counting on this transition of teams like i it's easy to look through it through the rose-colored glasses when you make a change and the guy is your super bowl mvp i'm just saying that like that's that's a bet that's tough like when everything looks like he can do something he's never done before will he

36:06Jason Moore:stay healthy that is that is a a probably his biggest question he did this last year but that was due to the infuriating you know timeshare i think the money they gave him means that he is going to be a workhorse.

36:21Mike Wright:I thought you were going to say the money means he's going to stay healthy. I was like, I wish that was the way it worked.

36:25Jason Moore:I think they're going to give him a ton of work, and if he stays healthy, will be a steal in drafts.

36:35Mike Wright:I think Kansas City is, in general, the most difficult situation for us year in and year out. Whether it was dealing with Mahomes when he was great and then Mahomes when he was struggling, or dealing with how many different wide receivers ever since Tyreek Hill we have projected to be incredible. Or the Isaiah Pacheco's of the world or all of the whatever, Brashad Smith's that have opportunities. It's too tantalizing. Andy Reid is too tantalizing because you always know that the best you can get from Kansas City is the best in the league.

37:08Andy Holloway:Right.

37:08Mike Wright:There's other teams where you're like, if Ken Walker went there, you're like, oh, okay. His ceiling, like the ceiling for Ken Walker on a perfect season is top three. Not every team affords you that. So, I mean, when you talk about where you'd want to go, if you're Ken Walker, I think he wanted to go to Kansas City really badly, and I think that it gives us as fantasy players a huge opportunity.

37:30Andy Holloway:And it's very fun of, like, if Kenneth Walker, coming off of the season he had, goes back to Seattle, you know, especially with the Charbonnet ACL injury, I mean, he's probably still being drafted as, like, a top 15 running back. Certainly. After the Super Bowl run? Yeah, but I'm saying his price hasn't skyrocketed, but his situation has gotten drastically better.

37:56Mike Wright:We don't really disagree other than where you slot him in dynasty-wise, which I think is aggressive. But you've had a good year, Mike.

38:04Andy Holloway:You know he's one year older than A-Chan. Yeah, I do.

38:10Mike Wright:But A-Chan's a better player than he is. A much better player.

38:14Jason Moore:He is definitely a better player than...

38:17Mike Wright:Yeah, HN is, I mean, it's the same thing you'd say about Gibbs, same thing you'd say about B. John. I think Jonathan Taylor is probably a better player than he is. Jonathan Taylor is, but he's an age component. Yeah, he's 27. But I still have him one spot ahead. But we were looking today, man, Jonathan Taylor. He's 27, he's got one year left in Indy.

38:36Andy Holloway:Yeah, he will be.

38:36Mike Wright:That one's going to get sketchy in Dynasty.

38:38Andy Holloway:Well, he's going to be a situation to pay attention to. He'll be franchised next year. Well, the thing is.

38:43Mike Wright:Oh, yeah, so he'll do two more years in Indy?

38:44Andy Holloway:is Johnny Taylor is going to be on watch this summer of, is he going to make any sort of stink? Right. Of like, I need more guaranteed money. He sure should. Or I'll see you guys in week one.

38:55Mike Wright:Or if they're in the basement, do they talk? Is he a trade deadline chat? All right, we'll take another break. We'll come back and get into the biggest losers of free agency in just a minute.

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40:43Mike Wright:Okie dokie. Looks like we got a couple of running backs and a wide receiver on our list of players that maybe free agency didn't work out the best for.

40:51Jason Moore:No. Mine is someone that, I don't know if it's a chicken or an egg situation here, but Alvin Kamara is poof, is vanished, is gone. there's been rumors that I've been seeing that

41:07Mike Wright:we need the reverse sound of that one I think we have it

41:10Andy Holloway:we have a bad

41:12Jason Moore:we did have it at one point I'll dig it up so the Travis Etienne contract coming on board I mean this is a massive amount of money they are saying we need a running back Alvin Kamara isn't it and really if you look at the metrics of what Kamara did this last year real, real bad. It was not efficient, which has always been Camara's calling card. And when you give out that kind of money, it says to me that they're done with Camara. And I wonder if Camara's done with football. I don't know. I mean, obviously he's not come out and said, I'm walking away. But the Saints seem to know something that the average person might not know about the running back room there in New Orleans because you just don't go out.

42:08Jason Moore:If you think Kamara is still your guy or still capable and give Travis Etienne that much money. Kamara, if he is playing for the Saints this next year, he is a backup. And we've never seen that before. So to me, it's like I don't want to touch Kamara. And if I had him in a dynasty league and I could get anything for him. Oh, you will. I will. You will be offered a bag of potato chips.

42:36Andy Holloway:I think I can eat that.

42:38Mike Wright:I can eat those. I think right before free agency, didn't they restructure him and move a bunch of money into signing bonus? There were people I think was like eight million dollars they moved or they saved off of cap space by moving money into a signing bonus, which might be a lifetime achievement award for Alvin Kamara because this is a Saints legend who year in and year out was a dominator. Then he dealt with injuries more and more and more and more. Yeah, they converted$10 million of his salary into signing bonus. I mean, to me, that was the first sign that they were looking to move on from Alvin Kamara, whether it's formal or informal and he's just a bit part on this team.

43:16Mike Wright:the signing of ETN to your point Jason it just eliminates the possibilities of Kamara being relevant again hey champ

43:24Andy Holloway:Travis while Alva Kamara is the biggest fantasy loser he might be the biggest life winner because if I'm Alva Kamara ain't no way I'm retiring I'm staying on this team I'm going to let Travis ETN go out there and be the football player I'm just going to do laps high five on all the fans cash and checks and everyone will still love you. New Orleans will love Alvin Kamara forever.

43:52Mike Wright:Any chance he takes the goal line away from ETN? Because ETN lost goal line last year to 2-1. And Kamara's always been pretty okay around there.

43:59Andy Holloway:It would be very funny. Alvin Kamara's goal line back? I don't think that's going to happen though.

44:04Mike Wright:I hope they throw the ball to ETN at Kamara-like levels.

44:11Jason Moore:I think they will. I mean, that's one of ETN's best attributes. He's got very, very good hands. And, you know, similar to like when you have that level of money that you're giving to a back with Ken Bone and with Travis ETN, you are bringing them in to do a lot of ball touching. ETN. Whoa! What did you just say?

44:37Andy Holloway:Don't worry about it. You got the big siren behind you Last year Travis Etienne Had 12 carries inside the 5

44:46Mike Wright:Thank you But I mean time it up better producers Limitations Like not mid stat Last year Travis You hold it Hold it right now and then you wait for your moment Travis Etienne

45:05Andy Holloway:Had 12 carries No it works 12 carries inside the five that turned into two touchdowns. Oh, I remember. That. That's a bad. That's doo-doo. That's like your. And Bashaw Tootin with seven carries turned into five. And we were talking this morning now.

45:22Mike Wright:Yeah. We still, we got to figure out what Jacksonville is going to do in the goal. Crot smash. Goal line packages. Because Tootin was good subbing in for a really bad ETN, but Crot is bigger than Tootin.

45:36Jason Moore:That's a fun sentence. It is.

45:38Mike Wright:I was just double checking. It is what I meant to say. I was going to go next. I'm not going to do that because I was already laughing at what I saw in Mike's note here for the biggest loser of the offseason, Mike. So I'll let you take it away.

45:52Andy Holloway:I'm going with R.J. Harvey because I'm factoring everything in. The excitement, the rise of R.J. Harvey being a shocking second-round pick that I don't think any of the mock drafters had on their board. It was Sean Payton, I'm going to be the smartest man in the room and take a player that I definitely could have gotten at least one round later, if not further on in the draft. but he's the second round pick he's taken by Payton you just have J.K. Dobbins there all the back and forth over the offseason J.K. Dobbins was truly their main runner R.J. Harvey was just a bit player but then Dobbins loses the season the injury, R.J.

46:41Andy Holloway:Harvey's the main guy he's getting by with volume and some touchdowns but in terms of his advanced numbers they were not strong numbers. Among 55 qualified running backs with 80 or more rush attempts You're trying to get it on? But it's on the new screen now Andy. Now hit the button. We'll figure that out.

47:05Mike Wright:We gotta get Josh back in.

47:06Andy Holloway:Among 55 qualified running backs with 80 or more rush attempts he was 51st in percent of runs stuffed at the line. Stuffed 52 % of the time. 49th in rush success rate 48th in yards after contact per attempt like this is not good stuff and then then there was all the you know the whispers and rumors of like well who else they're in on they were in on all the big free the big free agent names they were in even though it seemed like well they're a shoot they'll get JK Dobbins back and then for Harvey to have to worry about Dobbins was a that'd be an issue if you're talking Brees Hall level of a player and commitment, then R.J.

47:48Andy Holloway:Harvey is just, he will be a backup. Well, that didn't happen, but Dobbins is back, and I think that Dobbins is going to be the primary ball carrier yet again. The fact that there was so much smoke around the Denver Broncos running back room, then R.J. Harvey's inefficiencies, and he got the opportunity. You know, the worst in fantasy football is when you believe in a player and you never get to see them fail. They fail not on the field. That's always a bummer. But R.J. Harvey had his chance there at the end of the year to tell the team, you don't need to add anybody else. This is R.J. Harvey's backfield.

48:28Andy Holloway:That did not happen.

48:31Jason Moore:Could you make the argument, though, that since there was definite smoke, they cared about – Sean Payton literally came out and said one of the most important positions to upgrade this offseason was running back. He named three. It was like linebacker, tight end, and running back. And so obviously that's bad. They were going to add someone. Couldn't you make the argument that it's kind of good news that the only player they added was J.K. Dobbins off of an injury? You can.

48:59Mike Wright:Who else were they going to add from that crop of free agent wide or running backs? They're not done.

49:04Andy Holloway:They will draft. I would make a wager that they will add someone in the draft. I don't know how strong of a draft capital pick they will use, but that's another point of the – if it comes – they draft a running back in the third round. Your RG Harvey shares are gone. Your stock is cratered at that point. If you want to wait and take that bet and that dance.

49:30Mike Wright:This is just one of the players in conversation situations where fantasy and reality are going to diverge a little bit, where R.J. Harvey is not such a bad player that he doesn't have a huge impact on this team. Sure, he helps the Broncos. He can catch the football. He's versatile. To me, it's like Kenny Gainwell is more what he is to me, a very competent, versatile player, but none of us are sitting here going, Kenny Gainwell is going to be the lead back on a team. And I think that's the new acceptance that we're going to have to have with rj harvey is that you know if you bring back a guy in jk dobbins that you relied on on first and second down most often you're going to have a vastly inconsistent fantasy production for for rj harvey and that's you know i just didn't see any plays last year when he had that opportunity that made me go oh my gosh he's the dude there it's a lot like clyde edwards a layer and jonathan taylor differential it it's sadly true to me it's like clyde was fine he really was he was like fine

50:35Andy Holloway:yeah for kansas he wasn't special for a front but when he had it you know the ball in the open field

50:39Mike Wright:and stuff like that was like okay you get what's there and um but it feels really insulting to rj harvey it's not his fault he got drafted right there right you know and the expectations for

50:48Andy Holloway:fantasy players were heaped upon him only five and a half percent of his carries went for more than 10 yards that's what you saw you saw that kind of you know okay he got the ball that's how

50:59Mike Wright:it felt but um i guess i'm going uh i guess i'm going with the other side of my fantasy football winner um i gotta make sure that i find the right version of this but

51:15Andy Holloway:michael pitman jr wide receiver one for the pittsburgh steelers it is really cool that you

51:21Mike Wright:went to a team where your name is like the team i mean that is awesome pity that's a win that's a win for you and they give him more cash he got more money yeah he's a winner for sure just not for fantasy football to me he's not for fantasy i think some people might debate it like oh he can go there and like i just don't see it i i think we're gonna have to have a new expectation for Michael Pittman. I looked at the Daniel Jones weeks last year. He was on pace for 98 catches.

51:51Andy Holloway:Michael Pittman was before the final four weeks of the year. Up until that, so week 1-14. Michael Pittman was an outstanding draft pick. If he was even drafted in your league. Seven of nine weeks.

52:05Mike Wright:The first nine weeks he was in the top 24. On pace for 11 touchdowns, 1 ,000 yards, 98 catches. We just went through an entire season of frustration with DK Metcalf's inconsistent opportunities in this offense and we don't have an answer at quarterback that any of us are going to be happy about if will howard is there you're not making me excited about pitman sharing with dk metcalf what about ty simpson no no what about aaron rogers no no there's not an

52:33Jason Moore:answer even oh kirk cousins is now about josh allen okay okay could they get josh i don't know how they did it but I'm interested

52:42Mike Wright:that was impressive yeah if they get Josh Yellen I'm very interested wait wait wait the quarterback I'm out Michael Pittman is going to settle into a wide receiver 3-4 existence touchdown dependent handful of catches very scared of the future for Michael Pittman

53:06Andy Holloway:have you seen when people put the list out there and they're like they specifically show you these are the quarterbacks that michael pittman has played with i have not seen brother the group as a whole brother real good search search twitter i bet you'll find a living a tough life it is for the level of talent that michael pittman is and i'm not saying oh he's a top five or what michael pittman is a good wide receiver is he living the Terry McLaurin, DJ More Life. He has had it. Okay, Kyle Founder. Here we go. Carson Wentz, Jacob Eason, Sam Ellinger, Nick Foles, Matt Ryan, Anthony Richardson, Gardner Minshew, Richardson again, Joe Flacco, Daniel Jones, Riley Leonard, Phillip Rivers.

53:51Andy Holloway:That's who Michael Pittman has played with. And now add in Aaron Rodgers slash Will Howard. Like this man. I don't know.

54:00Jason Moore:I don't know. I see Super Bowl MVP. I see uh oh nick falls yeah nick fall i see nfl mvp matt ryan yeah a super bowl champ yeah joe flacco yeah don't worry about the year yeah aaron rogers first ballot hall of famer

54:18Mike Wright:he just gets a bunch of quarterbacks at the wrong part of their career

54:21Jason Moore:yeah it's been a tough run for michael and he's actually been i'm not taking him over dk

54:27Andy Holloway:metcalf and drafts that's for sure no no you'd rather have metcalf yeah i would i will because I will not draft DK Metcalf. That's fine.

54:35Mike Wright:I'm not saying I want to draft Metcalf. I'm saying if I had them both on the board so late that I'm happy taking a stealer wide receiver, I'd still take Metcalf just for explosivo. But maybe the right thing to do is to take the guy that's going to catch four for 41 with a chance at a touchdown instead of getting completely blanked by DK. But, yeah, those are some other names. There were a lot of other winners and losers, obviously. You know, Justin Herbert, major offensive line help, big-time winner. Josh Allen getting D.J. Moore. Brock Purdy getting Mike Evans. You know, Jameer Gibbs losing the Montgomery goal line situation, big-time winner.

55:19Mike Wright:Zach Charbonnet, I guess, is a winner. So far. Alec Pierce getting the bag of money. We talked about them a lot. Jefferson we talked about. And then on the loser side, some other names. I mean, Malik Willis just suddenly has no one to throw to.

55:37Mike Wright:I see Drake May. I see Drake May on that. What? Is that from pivoting to Diggs to Dobbs? Yeah, I think that's. That's not a, that's lateral at worst.

55:46Jason Moore:It's lateral. I think it's more like a disappointment over not getting, like, you know.

55:53Mike Wright:Did something happen on the back wall? Yeah, it did. What just happened?

55:56Jason Moore:Let's see. What? Oh, animations. And then we smoke bomb.

56:01Mike Wright:Oh, yeah, we disappeared.

56:02Jason Moore:It's just, you know, there were the rumors that they were going to get one of these big wide receiver names. They still could. Yeah. But there's other. Khalil Shakir, I think, is a big loser. There were rumors? What?

56:13Mike Wright:Oh, it doesn't work when I push it. It works when you push it. I'll get that patched up. Uh-huh. Sorry. I cut you off there for the effect, the special effect.

56:24Jason Moore:Brees Hall. big loser only because I love Brees Hall Brees did nothing you know what he actually did he was too good that's true he was too good the team was like we have the ability to not let you go test the market we're going to keep you that is so sad it's rude

56:49Mike Wright:it is alright I think that's going to do it for today's episode of the show. Thank you for joining us. We'll be back with another episode on Thursday and it'll probably be okay. Who knows what graphics we'll have by then. Could be a good one. Shout out to everyone but Matt. Appreciate y 'all. Goodbye.

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