In short
Fantasy Footballers episode (Oct 29) covering waiver-wire “backup options,” injury/news notes, a Thursday Night Football preview (Ravens at Dolphins), and a midseason fantasy review through ~8 weeks (QB/RB/WR/TE rankings and what could change).
Guests
Hosts only—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. No additional guest speakers are mentioned in the transcript.
Key claims
- Don’t drop Joe Flacco: his drops are driven by bye-week QB churn; he’s viewed as a hold despite an AC joint sprain (day-to-day) ahead of a Bears matchup.
- Target waiver defenses: the Colts are highlighted as a high-sack, high-scoring-defense pickup with favorable upcoming games.
- TNF: With Lamar Jackson back, Ravens’ offense/skill players (Waddle, Zay Flowers, Mark Andrews) are emphasized; Miami can keep it close but Ravens are expected to win.
- Midseason QB: Patrick Mahomes #1; Drake May is praised as elite and resilient; Bo Nix is “roller coaster.”
- Midseason RB: Jonathan Taylor leads; Christian McCaffrey is #2; Derrick Henry is framed as a rest-of-season monster.
Notable examples
- Dropped players discussed: Tyrone Tracy, Kareem Hunt, Brashard Smith, Isaiah Pacheco (MCL week-to-week), Nick Chubb (17 carries), Colts defense, and Malik Washington’s limited fantasy predictability.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBaseball Talk and NFL Preview
0:41 to 1:44
A light-hearted discussion about baseball and a transition to NFL topics.
“But you can smell like you do with an Old Spice NFL collection bringing you 24-7 game day freshness.”
Baseball Talk and NFL Preview
2:12 to 3:20
A light-hearted discussion about baseball and a transition to NFL topics.
“The Fantasy Footballers Podcast, Wednesday, October 29th.”
Fantasy Football Waiver Wire Concerns
3:20 to 6:10
Discussion on fantasy football waiver bids and player injuries affecting lineups.
“I think there's probably like three or four franchises in Major League Baseball that I could name any player from any time.”
Backup Options and Player Analysis
6:10 to 14:00
Analysis of backup players and strategies for managing fantasy rosters.
“It did, which we do have terrible news about our chopped league.”
Discussion on Player Performance and Waiver Wire
14:00 to 14:30
Analyzing player performances and discussing waiver wire strategies for fantasy football.
“I can agree with that, even though it's disgusting.”
News and Notes from the NFL
14:47 to 18:16
Providing updates on player injuries and their implications for fantasy football.
“He leaves his status up in the air for this week's game against the Bears.”
News and Notes from the NFL
18:21 to 19:28
Providing updates on player injuries and their implications for fantasy football.
“states or situations coverage subject to policy terms limits and conditions we'll take a break We'll hit the Thursday night preview.”
Thursday Night Football Preview
19:39 to 23:18
Analyzing the upcoming Thursday night game and player matchups.
“If you missed that story, listen to the end of yesterday's episode.”
Midseason Review of Fantasy Players
23:18 to 28:00
Evaluating top fantasy players at the midpoint of the season and discussing trends.
“We have not yet seen one game where Lamar and Likely are together.”
Analyzing Drake May's Performance
28:00 to 29:06
Discussing the impressive performance of quarterback Drake May in the current season.
“I understand, but people don't know who you're talking about.”
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Bo Nix's Inconsistencies
29:06 to 30:00
Exploring the ups and downs of quarterback Bo Nix's performances this season.
“It's been more, uh, he's the roller coaster with him.”
Quarterback Comparisons
30:00 to 31:20
Comparing various quarterbacks and discussing who might be better options moving forward.
“and then really poorly underthrow guys, throw behind him, throw picks where he's not seeing the defenders.”
Understanding Quarterback Trends
31:20 to 33:05
Examining the trends of various quarterbacks and their fantasy viability for the rest of the season.
“They're going into the bye week, but then it's Cleveland.”
Jonathan Taylor's Dominance
33:05 to 35:05
Highlighting Jonathan Taylor's standout season and its impact on fantasy teams.
“There's any quarterback that hasn't done hardly anything this year for fantasy purposes that I believe could have a strong second half.”
Fantasy Running Back Rankings
35:05 to 37:46
Discussing the current landscape of top running backs in fantasy football.
“and they brought in the backups at the end of the game.”
Injury Concerns for Running Backs
37:46 to 40:01
Addressing injury concerns surrounding key running backs and their fantasy implications.
“Yeah, I mean, people were taking him as the running back, too, in some leagues.”
Evaluating DeAndre Swift's Role
40:01 to 42:00
Reviewing DeAndre Swift's usage and performance in the current season.
“Like, that is incredible for a running back.”
Analyzing DeAndre Swift and Kyron Williams
42:00 to 48:20
Explore the performance and potential of DeAndre Swift and Kyron Williams in fantasy football.
“He's on pace for 53 red zone rush attempts.”
Midseason Review: Wide Receiver Analysis
49:28 to 56:00
Discussion on the top wide receivers and their fantasy impact at midseason.
“If you're an NFL fan, ESPN is where you need to be this season.”
Analyzing Wide Receiver Rankings
56:00 to 58:00
The hosts discuss their rankings for wide receivers, focusing on Justin Jefferson and potential risers.
“Justin Jefferson, even though he's the wide receiver for 14 right now.”
Tight End Position Insights
58:00 to 1:01:00
The team reviews tight end performances and predicts who might rise in rankings by season's end.
“when we talked about wide receivers was Puka and JSN tied at 18.6 so uh yeah I mean Rushy Rice is currently the number one in points per game.”
Trade Questions: Chase vs JSN
1:01:12 to 1:03:40
The hosts debate whether to trade Jamar Chase for JSN, considering risks and bye weeks.
“thefantasyfootballers.com, click that Submit a Question button, or dial our voicemail hotline, 302-464-TFFB.”
Trade Fairness and IR Rules
1:03:40 to 1:09:52
A discussion on the ethics of trading injured players and the challenges of IR rules in fantasy football.
“This is a question from, I don't know what platform it is.”
Trade Ethics in Fantasy Football
1:10:00 to 1:11:31
Discussion on the ethics of accepting trades after player injuries.
“Ryan in North Carolina, is it fair to accept a trade after a player in the trade gets injured?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Jason Moore:This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Every football fan is different. Some won't wash their lucky mustard-stained jersey until the season's over. Some insist they can't sit down on third downs, and some pick their favorite team because, I don't know, just like football fandom, nobody's life is exactly the same. And that's why State Farm gets to know you, not as a policy number, but as an actual person. So they can help personalize a coverage plan that's just for you. Whether it's game day or just another Tuesday, State Farm has you covered.
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1:53Jason Moore:Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.
2:11Mike Wright:Welcome in.
2:23Mike Wright:The Fantasy Footballers Podcast, Wednesday, October 29th.
2:34Mike Wright:I thought you had a Dodgers shirt on, Mike. It does look like it does. Oh, yeah, it does. That would have been a problem.
2:40Jason Moore:It's a no effect. They're in the World Series, right? And that's actually happening? Yeah, the World Series is going on right now. Look at my knowledge. Who's the other team? Oh, man. It's not the Marlins. I didn't know who it was until yesterday. I know the Marlins were close.
2:56Mike Wright:You guys don't know who's in the World Series? No, I do now. Okay.
2:58Andy Holloway:I also know it's 2-2? Yes, it's 2-2. All right, yeah. I'm so knowledgeable about baseball. So what is this other mystery team?
3:08Mike Wright:The Toronto Blue Jays.
3:09Jason Moore:Oh. No, that doesn't count.
3:11Mike Wright:Name some of their top players historically. Historically? Yeah. Bo, name it. Bo, name it. Okay. We're good. We're not a baseball show. We are a football show, and we got a busy one today. Thursday night preview, backup options.
3:23Jason Moore:I think there's probably like three or four franchises in Major League Baseball that I could name any player from any time.
3:31Mike Wright:You're saying there's only a few that you could name a player.
3:34Jason Moore:That I could name a player. and almost all of the historical players I could name were from the Yankees.
3:39Andy Holloway:Roy Halladay, Mike. Roy Halladay, and he passed, right? He had like a – I thought he had a tragic passing.
3:45Mike Wright:You know, I think you're right, but if you're wrong, it's even funnier. No, no, no.
3:49Andy Holloway:He had a – well, it's not funny. Even funnier. The man had a tragic passing, but I know him because he was – back when I actually played baseball video games, he was in there. He had, I think, a circle change that was just so nasty. Oh, man. It was a good time. Yep.
4:05Mike Wright:Well, there's your baseball segment. Yep. NFL news to catch you up on as well.
4:10Jason Moore:I have a problem, guys. Okay. We know. I have a problem in one of our leagues, our League of Shadows that we play with Rich Eisen. I did not bid enough. I'm looking at the waivers that just went through. I did not bid enough for Tyrone Tracy. I was the second highest bid. I did not bid enough for Kareem Hunt. I was the second highest bid. Yeah. But my running backs this week are currently Omarian Hampton, Quinjohn Judkins, Saquon Barkley. That's less hurt. So I have to start two. Oh, so that's your problem? Yeah. Okay.
4:44Andy Holloway:Yeah.
4:44Jason Moore:Looks like I will be starting Emmanuel Wilson and Samajé Pirine.
4:48Andy Holloway:I would still just. Can't get better than that. I would start the best of my bye week players. Yeah. They genuinely might score more points. They have the best chance of scoring this week.
4:57Mike Wright:we have our well pook nukem still in the lead for the megalo bowl i think that's two weeks in a row impressive on wednesday we check in with the uh 20 000 plus of you in the megalo bowl pook nukem in the lead smoky the bear still in second unless that wasn't updated i think there's a chance there is a chance there's no way those two i'm on it we're still in the lead
5:18Andy Holloway:so you're gonna have to tell me there's a chance someone didn't do their job i want to know who to yell at uh the leader right now if it's correct is puke nukem and the second place team smoky the
5:31Mike Wright:bear someone did their job they're doing their job we're so good at work weeks in a row yeah good work unbelievable job everybody um good work brooks man i really wanted to bury someone over on x you can follow us at the ff ballers jason is at jason ffl mike at ff hitman i'm at Andy Holloway if you want to follow us individually. We have backup options to kick off today's show.
6:03Jason Moore:Backup options presented by Progressive Insurance.
6:10Mike Wright:Waiver Wire went through this morning.
6:13Andy Holloway:It did, which we do have terrible news about our chopped league.
6:17Jason Moore:Oh, man.
6:19Andy Holloway:The person with Brock Bowers, a.k.a. the ring, a.k.a. seven days until you get chopped, was second to last.
6:28Jason Moore:Oh, they were going in. They were projected to lose.
6:31Andy Holloway:One Xavier Worthy touchdown away from losing and getting chopped with Bowers, but that curse is currently 14 days. On hiatus. Oh, it's happening next week.
6:40Mike Wright:The most dropped players on sleeper over the last 24 hours. Obviously, Kirk Cousins. We know why. Joe Flacco. This one, yeah.
6:48Andy Holloway:I was talking to Jason because we have this segment every week. I think it's very helpful. You don't always get the waiver guys you want. People dropping Joe Flacco is insanity to me. I know why, though.
7:02Mike Wright:I understand that he's hurt. No, no, that's not it.
7:05Andy Holloway:Okay, please enlighten me.
7:07Mike Wright:This happened because there were six teams on by with quarterbacks people had. Flacco was the pickup for the one week, and they're going back to their staple at quarterback. Now you're saying you should roster two quarterbacks. I don't know if that's the case in every one of these situations.
7:21Jason Moore:I think in most situations it is the case. What we have seen from Flacco in his three games are two great games, one good game, and the last time he was a starter in 2023, he had nothing but good games. So there's kind of – he's at least someone that you should be holding. I don't think that's the case if you have Lamar Jackson.
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7:41Mike Wright:I don't think that's the case.
7:42Andy Holloway:That's fine. But, I mean, if you're looking at –
7:43Mike Wright:And that would have been one of the situations that maybe he was a fill-in for.
7:46Andy Holloway:Let's go to the bye weeks. Kyler, give me Flacco. Jared Goff, give me Flacco. Trevor Lawrence, I'll take Flacco. Geno. Geno is already on the table. Please don't mention his name. I'm going through the quarterbacks who were actually on by. Stafford, I mean, I think it's Flacco. Yeah, I think the Jaden and the Lamar managers were the ones filling in a lot.
8:07Mike Wright:But, yeah, I agree with you. Joe is a – but he's hurt now. Yeah, he will be back. Which compounds the issue of rostering multiple quarterbacks. Like, I don't –
8:16Andy Holloway:I get sometimes you need a spot, but it's like dropping him to a potential opponent. Just because of the shoulder, we got the report that he is day-to-day, I think it was, with the AC joint. I would not be dropping Joe Flacco.
8:36Mike Wright:People dropped Kyle Monongai, which I don't understand because he's getting over 50 % of snaps. People dropped Bashard Smith, which, again, you have an injury now. Did you guys mention this on the show? We found out afterwards. MCL issue for Isaiah Pacheco, which will... Week to week. I mean, it looked like Kareem Hunt was done. Done. And then he scores twice last week. He's like a bad penny. And now just keeps coming back.
9:00Andy Holloway:So I'll just jump in.
9:02Mike Wright:They honestly need to trade for somebody. They're the number one team.
9:04Andy Holloway:There are rumors. There are rumors. For who? Breece or just somebody? Of them trading for the running back. But I'll jump in here. My backup option is Brashard Smith. if people dropped him that's a now a big whoopsie with the Isaiah Pacheco injury we don't know if Pacheco will miss time for sure but when someone is classified week to week you have to imagine it's at least one if not multiple weeks and it's an MCL like he's not going to play and then the split between Kareem Hunt and Smith we don't know how it's going to shake out Kareem Hunt I think is still the more valuable of the two too however like brashad smith he has juice he's been we've seen jarek mckinnon have dominance on a short of very small amount of touches for the kansas city chiefs and patrick mahomes so i think that he if he got dropped he should be picked up um yeah i'll i'll hop in then um
10:03Jason Moore:mine is one of the three most dropped uh players it's it's a defense it's the indianapolis colts
10:11Andy Holloway:That's a lot of players to be dropped.
10:12Jason Moore:Yeah, I don't understand why the Colts are getting dropped across many, many leagues. This is a team that has, I mean, they're playing good ball in all three phases of the game, but in our scoring in the League of Record, we are, they're the number three defense right now. They're scoring a lot, and the way that they're scoring matters. I realize the other team's going to have to go for it on fourth, catch up. Maybe they end up giving up a lot more yards, a lot more points, but they are getting after the quarterback. I'm looking at the last few weeks since week three, four sacks, three sacks, four sacks, two sacks, three sacks, four sacks.
10:49Jason Moore:They're getting it done every week, and then they're going on the road to Pittsburgh. The Steelers' offense is not some juggernaut that I'm afraid of, and then they're at home against Atlanta. So look at your leagues. They are getting dropped everywhere. I don't really understand why. Pick them up.
11:07Andy Holloway:When you have an offense that is scoring the way that the Indianapolis Colts do, which they currently have the most points per drive of any NFL team since 2000, the way that things are going right now for them, that turns into a negative game script, which is it can be a positive for your defense. If you know that the other team has to throw, that's when it's much easier to get a quarterback sack. Pin your ears back and go. That's when interceptions happen. That's when interceptions for touchdowns happen. So I'm with you. I think the Colts should be picked back up.
11:37Mike Wright:I think you're going to see Cleveland hit tons of waiver wires because they're going into the bye week, and that's another defense that's a high-scoring defense that you could stash away. I got a gross one. Yeah, you do. But this is the game of football. I mean, yeah, double nasty. Nick Chubb.
11:57Jason Moore:So I didn't know who you were going with, but if I may look for a button. There you go. Okay. That's a trip. That's a trip. Triple nasty. Disgusting.
12:07Mike Wright:I mean, it is something you need to pay attention to because you can be disgusting and gross, but you're talking about who you're starting this week. Oh, I would love to have Nick Chubb. And by the way, I got him in one of our leagues and you were bidding behind me. He had 17 carries. When this team is playing at home or they're playing ahead, Nick Chubb is their guy. There's no comment about Joe Mixon ever coming back. He's not running well, but 17 carries. He's running. He's running. He's actually outpacing Woody Marks in yards per carry, in rush success rate, in forced missed tackle rate. You look at last week, that game script in particular, if they are ahead, you know, they're at home three of the next four weeks.
12:51Mike Wright:Do you know that they're once again against Denver favored at home? They are in a tremendous defense. There are a lot of game scripts that happen for this team where they get it going. I mean, Nico comes back. They're at home. and their defense gets cooking against Denver. We know Denver's offense randomly turns off. 17 carries is 17 carries. It's all I'm going to say about that because nobody wants them on the roster, but you could go out there and you can play what? Like a Mononga or a Tajay Spears, a Brashad Smith. If I have that many guaranteed touches, something good can happen, and it has happened for Chubb this year.
13:28Mike Wright:He's had games where he's been productive from a fantasy perspective. he's been the top a top 20 running back two times I mean this was the most opportunities he's had on
13:37Andy Holloway:a season I don't want to ignore that sure the I found a funny stat here that I had not realized because Woody Marks had a great game uh his you know the counterpart here for the Houston Texans rookie Woody Marks who was I mean scored 13 points and a half point scoring format good enough for running back 19 on the week solid but the funny stat is he had four catches including a monster 50 yard reception woody marks yeah i saw that play yeah you know his final receiving line it's got to be sub 50 four for 49 with a 50 yard reception yeah yeah i mean it's uh that that just tickles me when that's not gonna be easy to predict either of them ever being
14:20Mike Wright:productive but i don't think a player that can get 19 opportunities should sit on a waiver wire That's all.
14:25Andy Holloway:I can agree with that, even though it's disgusting.
14:28Mike Wright:Yes, it can be gross. All right, that was Backup Options, sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com. Let's talk some news.
14:37Jason Moore:News and notes from around the league. Presented by Progressive Insurance.
14:44Mike Wright:We talked about Joe Flacco dealing with an AC joint sprain. He leaves his status up in the air for this week's game against the Bears.
14:51Jason Moore:this is usually one of those injuries you can take a shot go out there and and and play through it
14:57Mike Wright:yeah it does uh it was the first time since the trade though where you do have that um momentary panic with like chase and higgins it's like oh my gosh what would happen if their hero uh went down and didn't play like an ac joint sprain is one sack i mean it's one sack true
15:16Andy Holloway:And you come down on the shoulder and you're out of the game. It's a very fragile situation. But if you have any Cincinnati Bengals-skilled player, you better be lighting prayer candles that Joe Flacco plays.
15:28Mike Wright:It is a fragile situation.
15:29Andy Holloway:Because guess who's back if he's gone? Browning. Yeah. That's how you say it. Yes. Browning. That's how they call him up, too. Hey, Browning, get in here. Oh, man.
15:41Mike Wright:And take off your blindfold. old. Isaiah Pacheco considered week to week with a sprained MCL. We just talked through the implications there. Dan Quinza, Jaden Daniels will practice on Wednesday. He looked like a happy guy on the sideline of that game. There's a lot of optimism he'll be back for my matchup against Al Borland. The Falcons. Some updates from head coach Raheem Morris, Michael Penix. I feel really good about, he feels really good about Penix coming back. Says Michael's in the building and in meetings. We'll see how he does in the walkthrough uh yeah yeah they'd like to um not have can you fail at the walkthrough
16:19Andy Holloway:i guess if can you limp through a walkthrough yeah when you got a bum leg or foot whatever
16:23Mike Wright:it is i don't remember drake london expected to practice this week that'd be good yeah we like that george pickens and the cowboys have not engaged in contract extension talks of any kind
16:32Andy Holloway:of course not yeah what are you this is guys this is jerry jones if anything if george pickens gets re-signed to the Dallas Cowboys, it will be way too late and cost them way more than it should.
16:45Jason Moore:Yeah, if you're the agent for George Pickens, you're not even remotely considering an extension. This is, I want that market. I actually think it's pretty likely he's gone. Yes, the market, exactly. He is going to make so much money. The way he's playing this year and wide receiver needy teams, he'll top the market.
17:06Mike Wright:It does seem that way.
17:07Andy Holloway:Trying to pull up the wide receivers who are free agents right now. So you got Evans, Kirk, Debo, Jacoby. Yeah. Trying to scroll to see if there's anyone. It's George Pickens. Close to noteworthy as Pickens, but it doesn't seem so.
17:27Mike Wright:Okay. Deontay Johnson, the free agent himself. The eternally free agent, Deontay Johnson visiting the Giants. and then full practices for Lamar Jackson he'll be back on Thursday. Giants gotta be
17:40Andy Holloway:super desperate yeah that's I mean you gotta I know coaches are competitors but they're buddies they all know each other they're in a fraternity and he's played for all of them they gotta be like dude you don't want that you can call three of your buddies and be like hey what happened with Deontay and they're gonna tell you and you're gonna not want to sign him yeah it's the arrested development bit maybe it'll work for us oh yeah it never works maybe it'll work for us no i doubt he sees the
18:12Mike Wright:light of day over there um because once he once he visits a team that's when they get to know him yeah uh that was news and notes sponsored by progressive insurance quote today at progressive.com progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and third-party insurers not available in all states or situations coverage subject to policy terms limits and conditions we'll take a break We'll hit the Thursday night preview.
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19:34Mike Wright:The Baltimore Ravens, 2-5, traveling to Miami. But we're not talking about that yet.
19:48Mike Wright:Thursday night breakdown. mike's giving me the button symbol right like you gotta start your segment officially
19:57Jason Moore:and i thought that that i i thought the same thing i thought that the button was you saying
20:02Mike Wright:that i was going to almost upset this yep which i do kind of believe because like i know we do our picks here in the office like i took miami in our little picks thing uh it's a seven and a half point line baltimore on the road the over under is 51 and a half juicy i mean this is the
20:19Jason Moore:It's gone up since I took the underpaste.
20:21Mike Wright:I did hear about that.
20:23Jason Moore:If you missed that story, listen to the end of yesterday's episode.
20:26Mike Wright:Yeah, Jason.
20:27Jason Moore:Jason. Uh-oh. Do you just scroll on that up and smash buttons?
20:31Mike Wright:I was trying to be quick. Are you a button?
20:33Jason Moore:You have no idea how quick I was. That news came out and I was on top of it. I do, actually.
20:36Mike Wright:It was so quick that I didn't even get the right game. The button mash better. That should be your Instagram. Baltimore heavy favorites on the road here against Miami. The offense is going to get Lamar Jackson back. We had the defense perform better last week. You know, Lamar came out and said what we all know at 2-5, every week's going to be a win or go-home game. It's do or die every single week. It's the position that the rival Bengals were in last year with Joe Burrow and the slow start that they had.
21:04Jason Moore:And I really think if there's anything you can do, you don't have much time, the game is tomorrow, but if there's anything you can do to trade for Lamar, to trade for Derrick Henry, I think rest of season these guys will be, They're like the scariest people that I don't want to face rest of season. Number one easiest schedule for quarterbacks. Number seventh easiest for running backs. Tenth for wide receivers. Number one schedule for tight ends. It is juicy. Their defense is not going to stop people. And they're going to win. I mean, they might win every game here on out. It's all business, Jason.
21:37Andy Holloway:Did you see they got rid of the games? Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, Lamar said, get this stuff out of here. What games? Like games in the locker room? Yeah, like ping pong. I think there was maybe some arcade machines. It's all gone.
21:50Mike Wright:So he's hurt, but he gets rid of their games?
21:52Andy Holloway:Yeah, that's right.
21:53Mike Wright:Okay. Well, look, I do think Miami can keep it close. They've been playing well. It is confusing because Miami has been a tremendously bad rushing defense, and then they go and shut down Bijon last week on the road.
22:06Jason Moore:I feel like Atlanta shut down Bijon.
22:08Mike Wright:I mean, Kirk shut down. I mean, it was a mess. both teams are tied for dead last and offensive plays per game but the Ravens now have an implied point total the highest of the entire week you play Lamar when he's healthy you do that every week just like you do with Devon H and in this game Derek Henry in this game you know Waddle
22:26Jason Moore:he's an every week start absolutely I mean since Tyreek has gone down he's the wide receiver four the wide receiver 17 the wide receiver four and he had one down game at wide receiver 87 but every wide receiver has down games you're going to be involved this defense isn't good but even in tough matchups I'm going to be starting Jalen Waddle. Zay Flowers I think he is uh wide receiver two
22:51Mike Wright:category he's going to be started with Lamar with this awesome over under now Jason you made a comment before we started the show that you had picked up Mark Andrews to play in this matchup I know that you have been playing this uh it's like a roulette game with six bullets in the six chambers yeah it's just that's not a really good odds for you and the tight end that is exactly how it feels I have not feel like you have probably no optimism for this week no I so I picked up
23:19Jason Moore:Andrews this is a good matchup for tight ends Lamar is coming back touchdown opportunity is there he will absolutely wreck me that means this is an Isaiah likely game I have been saying this is where I'm going to be paying attention is Isaiah Likely. We have not yet seen one game where Lamar and Likely are together. This was to start the year. There's a lot of conversations like who would you rather even roster going into the season Andrews or Likely. Well Likely got hurt then Lamar got hurt. Now we're going to see like what they might have planned coming into the season um now obviously i just put my chips on mark andrews mark andrews is you know 60 snaps has been really involved in the offense obviously had a career high in touchdowns last year i think
24:09Andy Holloway:you do we need to try to talk him out of this yeah so you know his points right mark andrews
24:15Jason Moore:yeah i think yeah i mean he had tough man he had the one game of 24 points but i mean i i i don't care about anyone's points when lamar jackson wasn't playing like i couldn't care less about That's fair. We could talk about Zay Flowers.
24:29Mike Wright:So you think this will be one that helps out?
24:32Jason Moore:Yeah, I just think this is a game where I would take the over. I think a lot of points will be scored with Lamar Jackson back against the Miami defense, and so I want pieces of this game.
24:43Mike Wright:All right. Any other – have you been watching Ollie Gordon? Do you think he's going to become a player you care about at any point? I don't think so. I think he's a good player. He was RB18 last week is why I asked. He had 10 carries for 46 yards. He has the potential to get into the end zone like he did last week.
25:01Andy Holloway:And a 20-yard touchdown reception. I think it was pretty fluky.
25:05Jason Moore:It was fluky. He's still not getting enough opportunity. I mean, he played 30 % of the snaps. He is a good insurance option for Devon Achan. Devon Achan is an undersized back, and if he goes down, it'll just be Ollie Gordon there. So he's a fine backup, but no. He's not going to break out wall.
25:22Andy Holloway:like my nun guy where i'm you know in desperate times you could put my nun guy in as a flex i don't think you can i wouldn't do that with gordon okay yeah i was just curious about that um what about malik did we talk him meh meh leak okay yeah it's pretty risky i knew he was in the top 20 but it was yeah four for 36 i mean he's just that's disappointing yeah i mean 22 yards 30 yards 36 yards I did a film study when uh after Tyreek went down watched a bunch of Malik
25:57Jason Moore:Washington I was just so disappointed he's very fast he's he is uh I said he is very fast there will be big plays that he has this year I just don't know that you can predict him I mean you could say hey this is the Ravens high over under they're gonna need to throw the ball a lot maybe this is the this is the game where he has one and that's fine but that's all you're doing you're just kind of like guessing that he might get a straight line speedy play i don't think he's a
26:22Mike Wright:very good wide receiver you're gonna keep jamison williams or alec pierce on your roster yes yes let's move on
26:34Mike Wright:review a sorus rags all right we are uh getting into a mid-season review here at the midpoint I know. Looking at.
26:43Andy Holloway:We are cruising.
26:44Mike Wright:Yeah. Looking at the top players in each position after eight weeks, what we think will change, what is surprising. It's super interesting. I mean, these lists are great to review. At the quarterback position, Mahomes is number one. He's tied right now for the second most fantasy points per game. He's averaged in his career. Unbelievable. So Mahomes is one. Lamar Jackson is two. Obviously has missed time. But you had QB three and three and five for his missed games. Allen at three. Jalen Hurts at four. And then you get some new faces. I mean, it's Drake May at number five. He is the only quarterback in NFL history with a completion percentage above 75 % and nine-plus yards per attempt.
27:29Mike Wright:He did it again last week in an impressive fashion where you start this game, you're being slowed down by Cleveland, you're getting sacked by Myles Garrett, you commit a turnover, you commit a fumble, and then you just bounce back and dominate the rest of the ball game. He's been outstanding. I don't think any of us really have doubts about him rest of season.
27:48Jason Moore:No, at this point he's shown enough. His schedule is also very good going forward. I know on the Falcons team in the League of Record, they have Drake May. And I was really worried. You mean Josh's team? No, I don't. That was not a misspeak.
28:02Mike Wright:I understand, but people don't know who you're talking about. Yeah, when you say the Falcons, they think the Falcons the team.
28:07Jason Moore:That's fair. I mean, Matt Pingree, who we call the Falcon. Anyways, their team is one of the super teams in our league of record. Very high odds to make it to the championship. And I thought that their weakness was Drake May. And now I look at that, you know, that was a month ago. Like, oh, maybe he'll falter. He has been flawless. Like, not only is he great in the pocket, his downfield shots are so accurate, but he gets out, he runs the ball. I mean, there's really no hole in his game right now.
28:44Mike Wright:If you want to know what it looks like on a season, because I think that's helpful sometimes when you look at how they're performing, he's on pace for 4 ,300 yards and 32 touchdowns while also running for 530 yards and four more touchdowns. So that's where he's at. It's been awesome. him daniel jones he's been a top 12 quarterback in six of eight weeks just just embrace it yeah i mean when you're scoring at the rate that they're scoring it is so much upside and they're getting healthier you know what i mean like they've had a lot of weeks where they were missing players josh downs has been hurt alec pierce got knocked out with a concussion they have weapons to give you big plays and then they have you know jonathan taylor to play action too it's just it works well.
29:24Mike Wright:Bo Nix is sitting at seven. It's been more, uh, he's the roller coaster with him. Yeah.
29:29Andy Holloway:He's the weird name of, of the list so far. He's the one where you're like,
29:33Mike Wright:uh, do I feel great locking him in rest of the season?
29:35Andy Holloway:No, no.
29:36Jason Moore:He's, his play has been really erratic.
29:39Mike Wright:Uh, last two weeks have been amazing.
29:40Jason Moore:Well, but even the last two weeks, like two weeks ago, he was the quarterback one, but also he had four points going into the fourth quarter and looked like a trash quarterback. So, but he can do it. Yes. No, absolutely. I mean, I, I love Bo Nix, the man, and coming into this season, I was pretty high on him in the quarterback rankings. But just the eye test, and it's so weird how he can play very well and then really poorly underthrow guys, throw behind him, throw picks where he's not seeing the defenders.
30:11Mike Wright:He just thinks he can do more on the move than he can. That's what I think.
30:13Jason Moore:That is exactly what it feels like.
30:15Mike Wright:Like he gets on the move and he thinks he's Superman and he's trying crazy stuff. He just gets adrenaline going. There are quite a few quarterbacks I would take over Bo Nix locked into my starting position. Who are ranked after him? That are ranked after him.
30:26Andy Holloway:Jaden Daniels is the first one.
30:28Mike Wright:I'd much rather have Jaden. Daniels is at number nine in points per game right now.
30:32Andy Holloway:My one note for Bo Nix as we're going through the second half of the year, and I've mentioned Pat Bryant a couple times, but Pat Bryant is getting more integrated into the offense. He had a super boss touchdown catch. Super boss. So if he can truly step into a role as a three, and now you're talking it's Cortland Sutton, the breakout of Troy Franklin, and the upside of Pat Bryant, that would make me feel a bit more comfy for those championship weeks.
31:04Mike Wright:They're so deep at the pass catcher position, in my opinion. You have Mims that at any moment can give you a big play. You have Evan Ingram who's been targeted eight, seven times. I mean, he's been targeted a lot. their versatility throwing the ball to rj harvey like it gives nicks a really nice baseline that you know whether or not i mean i would take jayden daniels over him certainly yeah that i would do that too but how about how about herbert i think those are neck and neck yeah i would probably take i would rather have herbert over nicks i would probably take dac over nicks i would probably take love rest of season my second half sleeper over nicks i would probably take baker mayfield over nicks although his schedule is a little rough so is dac yeah they are the dallas cowboys passing
31:45Andy Holloway:schedule coming up it's got a rough stretch we highlighted it now it's at home for for a few of those difficult matchups but they're still tough no question yeah and then uh rounding out the top
31:56Mike Wright:10 herbert daniels stafford and dak tied and uh outside of the top 10 jordan love is the next closest one at 18.7 per game then baker caleb golf and rogers the best one is justin fields
32:10Jason Moore:sitting at 16 and a half points per game he has never scored anywhere near that no it's like he's five or 30 so it's like 16 that is the perfect average yeah it's like of course he's 16 points per game he will continue being 16 points per game yeah that's like a hit once
32:27Mike Wright:fail twice type of average right because that's on the lower end so 16 puts him at uh 18 at Quarterback position.
32:36Andy Holloway:That's about a hit. He's kind of an every other guy. We got four hits, three misses. As far as good games. What was last week's fantasy points? 20 points. Last week, he was good. It was against the Bengals. 20 points? Yeah. So that certainly helped him. Yeah, around eight. But he... Fields and the Jets looked much better. They're going into the bye week, but then it's Cleveland.
33:02Jason Moore:I would say if there's any quarterback, he's going to get destroyed. There's any quarterback that hasn't done hardly anything this year for fantasy purposes that I believe could have a strong second half. It would be Sam Darnold, currently sitting at the quarterback 20. He's looked really good. What about Kyler? Kyler, I hate. No, thank you. He plays Dallas this week, so he should be started. And I think he'll have a good fantasy.
33:26Mike Wright:Would you start Kyler this week against Dallas or Bo Nix this week?
33:31Jason Moore:I would start Bo. I don't care. Bo is against Houston on the road.
33:34Mike Wright:i would still start bow i i think that one's a tough one actually it's tough for sure i just hate kyler i don't want to watch it right but that's not the best analysis i've ever heard
33:44Jason Moore:no hatred based no yeah that's sometimes it's emotional analysis yeah yeah just for the cardinals
33:50Mike Wright:um i'm 30 31 out of 32 i'm good okay uh running backs top running backs uh on the year i think you know who's number one. Jonathan Taylor, who is putting up 25.5 fantasy points a game. Dating back to 2007, that is the second highest per game average compared to CMC 2019. Jonathan Taylor, just because there's nothing more fun than this, he is on pace for 1 ,800 rushing yards, 26 rushing touchdowns, and another four through the air, with 430 receiving yards.
34:28Andy Holloway:He is carrying people.
34:30Mike Wright:Yeah, I mean, in our Chop League, there's somebody who's had piles of injuries. But they have Jonathan Taylor, and they're alive. They're not Chopped. He is the anti-curse. He is the anti-ring. He carries your team. It would be hard to say, hey, this guy can keep up 26 touchdowns a year average.
34:49Jason Moore:But it doesn't feel like he can.
34:52Mike Wright:Sometimes it feels like he should score more. You watch games he scores 30-plus fantasy points, and you're like, he should add more in that game.
34:57Jason Moore:Yeah, but genuinely some of his best games like this last week against Tennessee, he didn't play as much as he could have played because they walloped him and they brought in the backups at the end of the game. He has three different times this year been the running back one on the week and another two times been in the top three, so dominant. Every year in fantasy there is a player or two players that lap the field at their position. Saquon last year. Right, exactly. And Jamar Chase last year. He lapped the field at the wide receiver position. This year, it looks like it's going to be Johnny Taylor.
35:37Jason Moore:Four points ahead of second place in points per game. It's just wild.
35:42Mike Wright:I'm going to put this to the test, though, with Mike right here. Christian McCaffrey is number two on this list. So, first of all, victory lap for Mike. 21.1 fantasy points per game. On pace for 455 opportunities. I don't know what happened last week to everybody on the 49ers but like I mean you just said the lapping the field of Jonathan Taylor he is scoring significantly more fantasy points per game than Christian McCaffrey on a significantly better offense you're going for a title this year would you trade Christian McCaffrey to the Jonathan Taylor manager for Jonathan Taylor?
36:13Andy Holloway:Yeah I mean we had our draft with our redraft a couple weeks ago I took Taylor one and of course my heart and I want to be like yeah I told you Christian McCaffrey But no, man, Jonathan Taylor, what the Colts have become, I think you could not, even the most diehard of Colts fans could not have predicted or projected that the Colts would be one of the best offenses we've seen in modern NFL history.
36:41Mike Wright:The Colts were legitimately, you just look at the odds. This is not a subjective opinion. You look at the odds of coaches that could be fired. Shane Steichen was on that list because of how upside down
36:53Jason Moore:the management of the team was last year even this year going into training camp in the off season in the program it's like yeah who's the quarterback and it felt so silly it's like oh it's going to be anthony richardson remember how much it went back and forth this off season during like preseason it was like oh anthony richardson is in the lead he's going to get the job no daniel jones is playing great at you know it went back and forth and it just seemed a mess until games started and jonathan taylor and daniel jones said watch check this out said that they
37:22Mike Wright:made the right choice with daniel jones by a lot and so cmc's number two bijon's number three james cook number four josh jacobs number five jameer gibbs 18.1 a game that's great i mean he is uh he is less than a point away from being the fourth overall and yet gibbs feels a little bit like he isn't quite delivering on the draft selection spot.
37:46Jason Moore:Yeah, I mean, people were taking him as the running back, too, in some leagues. It is a little disappointing, and having Dan Campbell come out and say we want to get David Montgomery the ball more, it's tough. But he still has the complete nuclear option of he's doing this with David Montgomery there. Either one of those players ends up getting injured, missing time, than the other guy will be in that league-winning category.
38:14Mike Wright:Yeah, when you look at who was drafted at the tippy top of the draft, he's probably okay. I mean, Bijan, it was Bijan, it was Barkley, and it was Gibbs, normally the three first ones off the board. Bijan's sitting at 3 with 19.2, Gibbs at 6 with 18.1, and Saquon is sitting at 11 at 14.5. So Saquon was certainly the more damaging pick than Gibbs was. I was trying to go look at the opportunities they said they wanted to get David Montgomery the ball more and then they gave Gibbs the second most opportunity on the year so maybe that's something you say to make David Montgomery feel better and you're just like yeah dude you got
38:53Andy Holloway:him we said we were going to give you the opportunities you you you got him you got him David
38:58Mike Wright:Devon HN sits at seven at 17.2 fantasy points per game he's averaging 20 opportunities a game last year it was 17 he has been just a he's been awesome an amazing player for fantasy teams i mean what rb 17 at
39:14Andy Holloway:worst he has been great man on a weekly basis yeah he scares me he really does like when you are undersized and you get that much work it's very difficult to just stay healthy that's all
39:26Jason Moore:that's the only fear i mean he he looks great um is explosive the offense is scoring points but it's just like you know that was the fear with Bucky the fear with Bucky Irving is when you're like a 200 pound back and you are like a bell cow Bucky runs
39:43Andy Holloway:a little more injury prone than
39:47Jason Moore:A-Chan does I would agree with that he's more of a between the tackle
39:51Andy Holloway:Bucky tries to play really big which he does very successfully for his size but I've been
39:56Mike Wright:A-Chan has started 32 consecutive games without injuries I'll take A-Chan
40:00Jason Moore:saying i would rather have i'd take a world like ollie gordon if if if a chan could be a really efficient guy getting 14 15 touches a game it feels like better than him being for long term yeah exactly 20 touches a game uh just just stay healthy i love a chan javante williams is number
40:20Andy Holloway:eight on the list finally found a guy yeah to the top seven that's why the order is you know a little bit mixed up that that's whatever that happens every year Javante sneaking in here pretty pretty incredible season what a bounce back for him to be I mean he's averaging he's averaging a rushing touchdown per game and he is um that's pretty good he is clearly their
40:46Jason Moore:entire yeah yeah the Jane Blue concerns 77 percent of snaps 72 percent of snaps 80 percent of snaps 77, 85, 72, and 69 % of snaps. Like, that is incredible for a running back. He's the Rico Dowdrell. Yeah, he really is.
41:04Andy Holloway:Bucky Irving, don't forget about him. Rico would have 10 ,000 yards on the Cowboys.
41:10Jason Moore:Javante looks good. Per game. Javante looks actually good. I don't think any of us believe that it's going away for Javante. I'll give you this, Mike.
41:18Mike Wright:I think Rico would have as much production as Javante if he was the starter. Okay, I'll take it. yeah Bucky Irving is number nine don't forget about him he hasn't played since week four he was averaging 15.6 a game I say don't forget about him because I really hope we can we we don't forget about him I hope he comes back and he's healthy they need him bad bad bad yeah though
41:39Jason Moore:they're the running game hasn't been the same and honestly Baker hasn't shoulder the same either
41:44Andy Holloway:yeah it's been and I mean four weeks seems like they probably gambled and lost on the IR thing
41:51Mike Wright:Yeah, because they're supposed to get him back after the bye, hopefully.
41:53Andy Holloway:Yeah, but they're in the bye week right now. I would think he'll be back week 10.
42:00Mike Wright:DeAndre Swift is number 10 on the list. He's on pace for 53 red zone rush attempts. His previous career high was 37. They keep going to him. They have worked Monongah in. You look at the snap counts for Monongah. I think it's two straight weeks above 50%. Let me double check if I can spell Monongah, which I can't.
42:20Andy Holloway:it's uh no no no it was 45 to 46 okay so two straight 45 percent yeah that that's uh that's a lot of work compared to where he was at so it's just working for them to rotate both guys in swift has been really efficient there barkley and scadaboo there was some encouraging we should say
42:41Mike Wright:this yes yes the the reports right now are that like the giants and everybody reporting it are expecting him to be back for the offseason training program yeah four to six month recovery was what i
42:54Jason Moore:just saw reported which is that's an awesome timeline if you know if that's what their expectation is that gives you hope that because we don't know the details of ligament damage and
43:05Andy Holloway:and you know we did get an update that there was yeah there were and it was not just a dislocated
43:11Mike Wright:ankle there was no they did report on that and it was it was a lot and again being back for the off-season program yeah it's a fibula fracture and a deltoid ligament rupture yeah how can that be four to six well because it's not and that's what i wanted to caveat it's four to six and they expect them back in the program but medical experts that i trust that i've been reading they're saying it's more like a 10 month situation to be really back to a full degree but being able to be back in camp and start working towards getting back to your old self look that's all you want we need this guy in the game of football yeah we do um we thought it'd be a head injury
43:47Jason Moore:you know no i knew it wouldn't be a head injury yeah that's impossible i think it's titanium it is made of it's filled with cement how do you guys feel about kyron williams who's sitting at
43:57Mike Wright:number 13 overall 14.3 fantasy points per game it feels like you know kyron feels like you're driving by the luxury car dealership and then you're he's like the ford torus of the running that room it does feel like reliable always gets it done but like nobody's like he's not got the flashy features that make people go trade for him i think the the issue is the highs have been high
44:25Andy Holloway:but i mean you not kyron like at least you know the the true breakout season week two week four and then week seven it was it was nine points or fewer he's only on pace for four touchdowns
44:40Mike Wright:He's only scored twice. That is what it is.
44:42Andy Holloway:No, that's on the ground. He does have three receiving touchdowns.
44:44Mike Wright:Right. But, I mean, on the ground, that's what you used to get.
44:46Andy Holloway:And that's where it is more. No 100-yard games. It's more troublesome for Kyron for the future. I mean, Devontae Adams, what was it? That's what it is. Like three. Three goal-line touchdowns. Three goal-line touchdowns for Devontae Adams. Just in one game. The fact that that is now a possibility. It's not like, I mean, Kyron's, I think, a. Where is he right now? what did you just number 13 i think that's fine you know like that 13 to 10 like he'll still be solid but last year he had eight rushing touchdowns by this time and he has two yeah
45:20Jason Moore:the dream of top five i think is not he's a he's a very good back the the rams look like a good offense but i see him as an rb too and if you look ahead now that we're halfway through the season and you say okay well what's the playoff schedule does it open up for him or does it not it's not good you've got the Detroit Lions who are very difficult to run on so if you're talking about a you know will he get rushing touchdowns that's difficult you have on the road against Seattle which has been a good rushing defense and then on the road against Atlanta which so far has been a
45:51Andy Holloway:mostly good rushing defense he is passed his bye so if you were to trade for him with a player who has not I mean you can you get yourself an extra game the uh the next man up on the list Amari
46:04Mike Wright:in Hampton in the games without Najee before he got hurt RB6 RB5 and then got hurt and still ended up in the top 24 in week five and now is out for a prolonged period of time it's so disappointing this is a player that was going to majorly impact fantasy football and uh it's just another one of these injuries that is you know taking a good quality player off the field that we don't get to watch play uh he was averaging 17.6 opportunities a game Judkins comes in at 15
46:33Andy Holloway:right now say just the the kamani vidal sassoon what were the read me the the hampton opportunities 17.6 so he vidal in his three starts whatever you want to call them he's at 16.7 uh attempts i'm sorry so he's at 20 opportunities a game their head coach came out and said he's playing like a number one running back and averaging over 15 points a week in those in those three contests I mean, it's, and Tennessee is this week, man. And I mean, when is, and then Pittsburgh, when is Hampton even back? Yeah, man. The Vidal pickup. If you got them, enjoy it.
47:13Mike Wright:Judkins at 15. And then just outside the top 15, if you want to ask the question, who could be a top 15 rest of season from this group? Henry, Jinty, Dowdle, ETN, Brees Hall. These are all guys outside the top 15 right now. You know, the one that jumps out to me, obviously, I think, you know, Jinty would be one that I think I feel comfortable about. He could. Gentry and Brees Hall are kind of the same to me in the fact that bad team, bad offense, don't want to watch them, but they're going to get a ton of work, and it's going to work out a lot of the time. And they're talented players. Yeah, and Gentry catching a lot of passes.
47:44Jason Moore:I would agree those two names are fine. I still, I mean, I said it in the Thursday night breakdown, I think Derrick Henry is a monster rest of season. Sure. Personally. It's about to start snowing. Yeah, there was snow in Vermont this last week. Oh, weird. Yeah, weird. And then Derrick Henry was good. Go figure. Other names, you know, I'm curious. The trade deadline's coming up, and that could change the landscape for a couple of running backs. I don't know if, you know, Brees Hall, Tony Pollard, if a team makes a move to go get a guy, that'll be interesting the rest of the season.
48:18Mike Wright:All right, we'll take a break. We'll talk wide receivers and tight ends.
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50:01Mike Wright:All right, we're continuing our midseason review. Let's go ahead and blitz the wide receivers here. Tied for number one in points per game. Puka Nakua and Jackson Smith and Jigba. Oh, man. Jackson Smith and Jigba and Nakua at 18.6. JSN has been unbelievable. We knew Puka was great. He's been hurt. should be back soon jsn though averaging 117 receiving yards a game 11 plus fancy points in
50:29Jason Moore:all seven games played machine like yeah he is his target share is is otherworldly if you have a 30 target share you're pretty much locked as a wide receiver one it's very difficult to not finish as a wide receiver one if you can be one of the elites at a 30 target share he's at 38 8%. I mean, when they throw the ball, it runs through JSN. And, you know, the question that people might have had this time last year is, like, is he good enough? Yep. The answer is, oh, yeah.
51:01Mike Wright:You can't cover him. No. Alman Ross St. Brown comes in at number three. Ho-hum. He just gets it done. He's on pace for 148 targets, 121 receptions, 1 ,317.
51:13Jason Moore:I don't know. I don't know who I would. like I might prefer Amon Ra of all fantasy wide receivers genuinely like Jamar Chase will be way you know bigger games uh but more volatility he'll have some down games too um Puka gets injured to me Amon Ra is like the most consistent every single week I am so it's just like plugged in and my confidence level in him just having a great game every week, I think he might be the highest of all wide receivers for me.
51:49Mike Wright:Chase comes in at four. The targets have been out of control with Flacco. It was really bad with Jake Browning. And, you know, we're talking unusable territory. Six fantasy points, four fantasy points, and then boom. 26, 20, 30, 15. and we talked about the insane target pace with Flacco. I mean, he'd be on pace for 357 targets the last two games. George Pickens comes in at number five, 15.8 fantasy points per game. Certainly took advantage of the opportunity when C.D. Lamb went out. The last two games, he settled more into probably, like this is one player that if you say, hey, who's going to drop out of the top ten, it would easily be the Pickens pick for me because while he'll be good, he won't be great.
52:37Mike Wright:I mean, the last two weeks, wide receiver 27, wide receiver 23, that's about, you know, the 20 range is about where I'd have him.
52:45Jason Moore:Yeah, those are great. His yardage has been fantastic, even with CeeDee Lamb back, 82 yards, 70. Those are good numbers. But when he was the wide receiver one, when he was the wide receiver two on the week, those were CeeDee Lamb-less games.
52:59Mike Wright:CeeDee Lamb-less, CeeDee Lamb-less. Garrett Wilson at six. Devontae Adams at seven, really close.
53:06Andy Holloway:That's how good Garrett is. He's dealing with that bull crap.
53:09Mike Wright:It's like running around with a chain or a big old...
53:13Andy Holloway:He's got like a weighted vest on?
53:14Mike Wright:I was thinking around the ankle. He had like a cement block of the team dragging him down, but he gets it done hopefully back soon as well. Tied for eighth, we have three names, Addison, Ibuka, and Odunze. The Addison one, sneaking in there.
53:29Jason Moore:Yeah, I mean, we brought this up last week a little bit, He has more points per game than Justin Jefferson, his teammate. Also the best wide receiver in football. Yeah, he does. Jordan Addison?
53:41Mike Wright:Yeah. Yeah, 13.3. No, the best wide receiver in football.
53:44Jason Moore:Oh.
53:46Mike Wright:Pittman's at number 11. Metcalf at 12. Drake London at 13. Jefferson at 14. And CeeDee Lamb at 15 in points per game.
53:54Jason Moore:That's not fair.
53:57Mike Wright:Because of his...
53:58Jason Moore:Yeah, you're averaging a goose in there when he got injured in the beginning of a game. Yeah. I want to see how many he really is averaging per game.
54:06Mike Wright:You want Lamb to have his respect. I'm guessing it'll be about 15, 16. Which would put him right at 4.5 range. So you let me know, Jay. It is 15.2. That would put him at number six.
54:21Jason Moore:Not good enough.
54:22Mike Wright:Just ahead of Garrett Wilson. I mean, I think, you know, Metcalf, I think he's been a wild story because he feels not great, but still being a wide receiver one at this juncture. He's had three of the last four weeks he's finished inside the top 12, so maybe we don't complain. Maybe we just accept the touchdowns that are coming our way. As long as those keep coming. How do you feel about Jefferson?
54:49Andy Holloway:Do you feel like you? Optimistic.
54:52Mike Wright:You know the schedule's great, which is great for Addison too.
54:54Andy Holloway:And I'm a J.J. McCarthy apologist. We talked about him, I think, on the Dynasty show, but of just, we really, you haven't seen anything from J.J. McCarthy.
55:07Mike Wright:The vibes are weird, though, aren't they? The vibes are weird in the fact that you're right, and I don't know why the team and all the vibes aren't around that.
55:14Andy Holloway:He's played week one. Three quarters were a disaster. It was his first start ever, and it's the opening weekend, and then his fourth quarter is great. He brings the team back against the Bears. Week two, he gets hurt in the third quarter, and he's playing on a bum ankle for – That's all we've seen. That's it. That's all we've seen of J.J. McCarthy. So there's not either – I mean, if you like McCarthy, you're like, hey, he's played one and a half healthy games in the NFL. If you didn't like McCarthy, look how bad that was. I think we're still very much in limbo. I'm hopeful just based off of Kevin O 'Connell's past of being able to maximize these quarterbacks.
55:59Jason Moore:Yeah, I would still rather have Justin Jefferson, even though he's the wide receiver for 14 right now. I'd have him over most of the guys ahead of him. Gary Wilson? Yeah, I would rather have him.
56:09Mike Wright:Devontae Adams?
56:10Jason Moore:Yep. Okay. George Pickens, all those guys that are ahead of him, I would still take Justin Jefferson.
56:15Andy Holloway:So you've got him at like five, six. CeeDee Lamb or him?
56:18Mike Wright:cd yeah i would take cd too all right well uh who's the most likely to jump into the top 15 rest of season from the group of you know i'm looking at these names i don't really think any
56:31Jason Moore:of them are in there but maybe devontae smith to oh to drop no to jump in jump devontae smith is
56:37Mike Wright:sitting at 20 right now i would there's a lot of rumors around aj brown being shopped i would put
56:42Jason Moore:Tatarola McMillan there. Who's at 33? Yeah, he's low, but this is a very talented guy who's had so many great flashes. I feel like you are the biggest Tet McMillan fan in the world because
56:56Mike Wright:you bring him up constantly as like how you view him a lot higher than what he's doing. Yes, I
57:01Jason Moore:view him much higher than what he's done. And I think at the end of the season, he will be coming through. I've seen enough on film to know he can get it done. We have history of even Bryce Young, getting it done with Adam Thielen. He's a rookie. He's figuring it out on a mediocre offense, and you expect the second half of the year to be better than the first.
57:21Andy Holloway:Also, Rasheed Rice.
57:23Jason Moore:Yes, yes.
57:24Andy Holloway:I'll take him.
57:26Jason Moore:What is he? Do you want Jefferson or Rice? I would take Rice. I mean, there's not many people. I mean, he's not on this list because only two games played, but Rasheed Rice right now is.
57:38Mike Wright:Go offer that trade, Mike. Go offer that to Jefferson for Rice. you won't do it see I do so Sally I don't think they would do it they would not trade Rice for
57:47Andy Holloway:Jefferson no because you have Patrick Mahomes who's balling out Rushy Rice is a great name to
57:53Jason Moore:bring up he's averaging 20.4 in his only two games super small sample but as a reminder number one when we talked about wide receivers was Puka and JSN tied at 18.6 so uh yeah I mean Rushy Rice is currently the number one in points per game.
58:11Andy Holloway:And so what's he averaging, Jay? 20.2?
58:16Jason Moore:Is that what I said?
58:16Andy Holloway:And then if you tack that on, the first three weeks of last year, he was averaging 17.6. So that's a five-game run of just being not good, being elite.
58:28Mike Wright:Tight ends. Tucker Crafts at number one. Trey McBride at number two. Dallas Goddard at number three on pace for 16 spectacular rushing or receiving touchdowns jake ferguson sitting at four tyler warren at five you know from that group if we are redoing this at the end of the season it's like craft could easily be there mcbride could easily be there warren could easily be there yeah i have my doubts that goddard and ferguson would be there that's for sure i was on the opposite side i believe kelsey's going to have a pretty significant second half um compared to jason's view of kelsey i still like kelsey a lot he's at six right now gadsen's at seven with the points per game but
59:16Jason Moore:over the last three games when he's really been utilized and the snaps have been there he's averaging 16.8 which would be if 2.8 higher than number one if you have to rate your belief in
59:30Mike Wright:Gadsden rest of season 100 is full maximum belief zero is I don't believe yeah what number I got my number are you at with Gadsden for the rest of the season I'm at 75 oh we're very close um this is
59:44Jason Moore:we didn't talk about it in the wide receivers but it's comical to me that wide receiver 17 wide receiver 18 and wide receiver 25 all in that exact same range as Keenan Allen Johnston and and Lad McConkie so you are going to have that could jump up you're going to have bad games from Gadsden but he is he is established it he's he's very good he's very so is lad yeah very nice all those guys are are don't push it talented wide receivers on a good offense you just can't have
1:00:14Mike Wright:all four be consistent Darren Waller is at number eight Kincaid at nine Laporta 10 tied with pits there at 8.6 you know I looked at the pits uh like game log the other day and I'm just like yeah all right you know what i mean like he's a player that you if you started he's not really murdering you but he's never giving you anything special yeah um outside that group brock bowers is the obvious name that's going to be there i think fanon could definitely be there um both those guys should probably pass a handful of the other names we mentioned yeah and i'm also curious
1:00:47Jason Moore:what happens with the ravens tight end between likely and and mark andrews and whether they can become relevant when Lamar Jackson is playing. I agree. Let's talk some mailbag.
1:01:00Jason Moore:Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah. Presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV.
1:01:08Mike Wright:All right. If you have a question for the show, you can go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com, click that Submit a Question button, or dial our voicemail hotline, 302-464-TFFB. our first question here today comes from randy says i've been offered a trade to give up jamar chase and i get jsn jsn has already had his bye week and chase is about to have his bye should i take this trade in week nine now i i'm gonna bring something up man um there was a point in the season where jamar chase had jake browning as his quarterback and he had put up two or three horrific games and the idea of trading him for huge was brought up on the show and at the time huge was the wide receiver three i think and it was like before he got hurt before he got hurt and we didn't see a path for chase to become good for the rest of the season with brownie um and so that we were thinking huge was probably a good decision at the time you look at this situation jason's on top of the world jamar chase has joe flacco but i still look at it and say hey jamar chase has more volatility and and i have some fear that if flacco's hurt the odds of
1:02:17Jason Moore:becomes nothing the odds of flacco finishing this season with the current injury to the shoulder like you said andy like he gets tackled you know really hard he's going to at some point in time is is he getting through the next you know eight weeks without re-aggravating that injury and having brownies i would be really i'd be really surprised so so what is your answer i mean this is jsn for me the bye weeks um if if both of them had the same bye week i would rather take jsn over jamar chase we're going into week nine yeah uh yes is that right yeah yeah so we're going into week nine
1:02:56Mike Wright:so 9 10 11 12 13 14 and then playoffs right so when you're after the bye six more games so there's six games of jsn you get and you get five of chase and then it's so to me it's jsn as well it i will but it doesn't mean it's an easy call yeah it's not an easy call it's jsn for me too
1:03:17Andy Holloway:it's the it's everything is flacco like if joe flacco let's say he's good this weekend and then he just and he manages to not get hurt if flacco is there jamar chase is better than jsn i mean I think points per game, but your risk factor is much higher of something happening to Joe Flacco than Sam Darnold.
1:03:43Mike Wright:Would you trade? This is a question from, I don't know what platform it is. It's from Log. Is that Logan? No. Or is it Log? That's Log. In North Cack Alacky? It's better than bad. It's good. It's good, yeah.
1:03:59Andy Holloway:It rolls down the stairs and over the chairs. This is from the website.
1:04:03Mike Wright:Would you trade away a Mecca Abuka for Ashen Jinty?
1:04:09Jason Moore:I mean, I think it's a fair value. Mike said no. No, I would not. Sure. I mean, it's got to be in a vacuum. Whenever you're talking about a running back for a wide receiver.
1:04:22Mike Wright:Please don't question Mike again.
1:04:23Jason Moore:Obviously, this is a depth and a need situation. Is it fair? I do think that it's fair.
1:04:29Mike Wright:That's the question. Yeah, fair is fine. When trades like this happen, you have a lot of depth at running back, and you don't have it at wide receiver or vice versa.
1:04:38Jason Moore:Yeah, I could easily see myself being a team that trades away Emeka Egbuka for Ashton Gentry. I could easily see myself being a team that trades Ashton Gentry away for Emeka Egbuka. This is just neat. Emeka Egbuka. Thank you. Thank you.
1:04:52Mike Wright:Do you think that there are people that trade? I think there are people that trade to get the better end of the deal, and there are people that trade and just want to make sure that they don't get taken. Sometimes the questions we get, we get so many trade questions. And a lot of the times you just want validation that that is fair, that I'm not getting taken advantage of or that I'm not getting the raw end of the... Because maybe you really want Ashton Jenty. This trade's fair if you really want Ashton Jenty.
1:05:16Jason Moore:Our trade tool will help you. It is in development. They're getting closer and closer by the minute. So if you are part of the Foot Clan at footclan.com, then that tool will be able to answer those questions for you from us without us.
1:05:32Mike Wright:Isaac in Miami, who would you rather have the rest of the season, Chase Brown or DeAndre Swift?
1:05:38Jason Moore:Ooh,
1:05:40Mike Wright:that's a... My first reaction is Swift.
1:05:43Jason Moore:That was my first. I am fearful. I agree with Mike that I would want Joe Flacco. The Joe Flacco looks great, and this Bengals offense, with their weapons, they can be great with Joe Flacco, but it does feel like a house of cards. It feels very fragile because we are relying on an older guy to sustain a football season while he's currently injured and has no offensive line.
1:06:12Mike Wright:In a tough division against tough divisional opponents. I see them very similarly in the fact that Pirine's getting snaps for Cincinnati. You have Monongah getting snaps for Chicago. You have an offense that we believe in with Flacco. We have seen a lot of good stuff with Swift in Chicago.
1:06:28Andy Holloway:In three games, the three Joe Flacco games, Chase Brown is averaging 14.3 fantasy points. And we got almost 14 opportunities a game. And I think most importantly, where's the yards per carry? Yards per attempt is at seven. well like yeah you can it's it's crazy like you can't always go box score hunt and and and see things easily you can see where joe flacco joined the team after the bye week which you guys have
1:07:00Mike Wright:said maybe they figured out what to do with swift he's averaging 19.6 fantasy points a game i think the answer is 6.7 in attempt i think the answer is wild um crazy yeah i think they're very similar but I, again, risk aversion a little bit, which is a crazy thing to say with DeAndre Swift. Yeah. Tim in Sacramento says, Hey, guys, give me the argument to convince my league mates to change our IR rules. Currently, a player has to officially be on the IR to be able to be placed on the fantasy IR. Their argument is if it's not a team's IR, then he can't be on yours. My argument is currently that is dumb.
1:07:37Mike Wright:It's strong. It's a good starting point. To say that's dumb? because it is i mean if a the purpose of an ir spot let's start there is to give a roster the flexibility if your league desires to manage injury and if you have to cut players or not have enough players on your bench it's a choice right you can make that choice in your league i think we all find that to be not as fun not as enjoyable if a player goes to out or soon doubtful or out we think you should be able to go stash them in that spot if they become active in that spot you are locked out of doing anything on your roster until you fix your roster and make it right so well and that's self-regulating that's the crux is that it has to still be a
1:08:22Jason Moore:platform-based automation so like i know on sleeper you can check the box that says doubtful players can be allowed an ir you can't just be like because even if you've turned that feature on you can't see a report that says i don't think this player's playing this week but he's not even moved to doubtful and be like i should be able to put him there it can't just be a anytime you want but yes the we we tried in our league of record we tried to push that through mid-season we don't really do that very often it just it's it's got to the point where yeah if they're doubtful they almost never play and the the entire purpose of the ir is to give yourself that freedom when you
1:09:05Andy Holloway:lose a player and you've lost them yeah that's the thing is injuries injuries of fantasy football are the it's the worst it's the worst and it will happen to every single person who plays fantasy football you will have someone that you love and someone that you're counting on get hurt and if a bench is like five players, to me it's like a double punishment. You don't get that guy and now you're hamstrung of, what are you going to do? You only have four bench spots now because you can't move that player to IR. So to me it's just about trying to alleviate injuries the most that we can.
1:09:46Mike Wright:Yeah, they already suck so bad.
1:09:49Andy Holloway:And just having grace for each other as fantasy football players. I'm not like, oh, yeah, oh, man, did you see Andy got his guys hurt? That sucks to be you. Yeah, we know it sucks. It already sucks. Yeah, don't double punish people.
1:10:02Mike Wright:Ryan in North Carolina, is it fair to accept a trade after a player in the trade gets injured?
1:10:06Andy Holloway:Is it fair?
1:10:07Jason Moore:It's disgusting. You cannot do that. Not unless, obviously, if both sides. It's fine to trade an injured player away or trade for them. That's fine, but it's absolutely not okay. If a trade offer was made and then a player gets injured and it was just sitting there and then you accept it, oh, no, no, no. I had that situation in our listener league. I had an offer where Jaden Daniels and Rushy Rice for Josh Allen, and they were sitting there. I hadn't accepted it or declined it, and Jaden Daniels got injured. I would never have been like, ha-ha, gotcha, sucker. That's pure Bush League. Yep, can't do it.
1:10:54Jason Moore:All right.
1:10:55Andy Holloway:Also, that is a PSA. Avoid this. Don't let them hang. Do not let trade offers be sitting for players who are actively playing. Yeah, pull them down on Sunday. We get tweets on this all the time of the, hey, this just got accepted and this guy got hurt. And it's like, because you didn't prevent it, you have created a terrible problem where someone's going to feel like they got hosed.
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Fantasy Football show for Oct 29, 2025. Rest of season outlooks and trade targets! Which players in the top 10 at their position should be traded away now? Who is being undervalued in fantasy football leagues? Plus, a preview of Thursday Night Football with the Ravens at Dolphins! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.
(00:00) Intro
(04:15) Backup Options
(12:50) NFL News
(17:00) Thursday Night Breakdown: Ravens at Dolphins
(23:50) Mid-Season Review
(24:10) Quarterbacks
(31:10) Runningbacks
(45:45) Wide Receivers
(54:10) Tight Ends
(56:45) Mailbag
(57:10) Trade Ja’Marr Chase for JSN?
(59:30) Trade Emeka Egbuka for Ashton Jeanty?
(01:01:15) Chase Brown or D’Andre Swift rest of season?
(01:03:10) IR roster rules
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