Fantasy Football - Mock Draft! Ballers vs Ducers - Podcast for 8/14

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11:19Jason Moore:the fantasy footballers mock draft

11:25Mike Wright:all right like i said we got the full crew in there today so we're we'll be competing with footballer staff writers and it is a 10 team half ppr mock today one team for the three of us we're sharing it so we'll get to uh you know fight yeah we'll get to figure out where we negotiate yeah we talk about maybe we'll hand the picks over maybe we'll make them together we'll see how it goes one quarterback, two running back, two wide receiver, one tight end, one flex, four bench spots. We ended up with the randomly selected spot. Number four overall. And so let's kick this thing off. We've got Jamar Chase off the board with the number one pick.

12:04Mike Wright:Jake goes with Jamar. Not a surprise there. Brooksy comes in with Saquon with the number two overall pick. Putting B. John Robinson at the 103 to the Falcon himself. Not on a bathroom break right now actually here participating well let's double check that nope he is here and he probably didn't flush that pick down the toilet so Bijan should be good here we are staring down Justin Jefferson and company at the number four overall Spodgmere Gibbs CeeDee Lamb you got Christian McCaffrey that Mike is trying to talk about I was literally looking

12:44Jason Moore:and I was like wait the RB1 who did I miss

12:47Andy Holloway:I'm not going to fight for him here but that's what i would do we

12:54Mike Wright:and the people know this about you and they probably are trusting us to make a different

12:58Jason Moore:decision genuinely you're you're on the clock this is just your team and let's say it's not a mock draft you're not doing this to try like do you believe that right now in a live startup redraft league you would be pulling the trigger on christian mccaffer here over justin jefferson over Jameer Gibbs, Henry, CeeDee Lamb.

13:15Andy Holloway:Yeah, the three that went, those are the ones where, I have McCaffrey number one, but I get it with the risk. I don't mind going Robinson over McCaffrey. Or if I have the one, I'd take Jamar at number one. So those guys, they push McCaffrey. I'm willing to push McCaffrey.

13:34Mike Wright:So those three names that just went, all of those you would be willing to push McCaffrey down for, but they're all gone. Yeah, I'm okay with it. What's your pick, Jay? What would your vote be here? We'll come up to a conclusion.

13:45Jason Moore:This is a slight drop-off, I think. Personally, I have CeeDee Lamb over Justin Jefferson. So if you're between those two, my rankings would take him. You add in the hamstring. But this is over Gibbs? Would you take him over Gibbs here? For me, I would take him over Gibbs. I've got Henry one spot ahead of Gibbs. So I think my rankings at the very top are a little bit different than your two. Yes, you do.

14:11Mike Wright:So we have no agreement.

14:12Jason Moore:We have no agreement. So who would you take at the fourth spot?

14:14Mike Wright:I would take Gibbs here. That's what I would do. I would take Gibbs at the 104. We're off to a tough start, guys.

14:19Andy Holloway:Gibbs is my fourth-ranked running back.

14:21Mike Wright:Why don't I have my own team? Whose idea was this? I believe it was yours. So Gibbs? I'm fine with McCaffrey. Oh, whoa. I would rather take, I'll put it this way. I want Gibbs, right? I would take Gibbs. We could take Gibbs. But I would rather have McCaffrey than going wide receiver.

14:44Jason Moore:Then take Gibbs. We'll see what the team looks like. Is that what – you okay with that, Jay? Yeah, I am totally fine with that. I think it's an appropriate spot right here.

14:51Mike Wright:I mean, he wants McCaffrey. You have McCaffrey ahead of Gibbs. I don't want to stand in your way.

14:54Jason Moore:Well, I've got McCaffrey ahead of Gibbs if you're just talking about, you know, season-long stat totals, but that doesn't factor in the – No fantasy points. No, but that doesn't factor in risk. Like the risk rating of Jameer Gibbs versus the risk rating of Christian McCaffrey are not equal.

15:10Mike Wright:That is why we include those rankings in our tier-based rankings in the UDK is because your decision is going to be philosophical. How do you build your team? What kind of risk do you want to take on? Obviously, Gibbs was very, very good. We went Gibbs because Mike told me I could. CeeDee Lamb goes next and Justin Jefferson McCaffrey at the 107 to Matthew Betts. So Mike shook his head a little bit.

15:35Andy Holloway:No, I was shaking my head. We gave pick five and six. You had every opportunity to get the RB1 and you passed. That's dumb.

15:42Mike Wright:Derrick Henry at 108.

15:44Jason Moore:We got my guys tomorrow. Yeah, we do. He better be a my guy for you, Mike. Christian McCaffrey? Yeah. You'll have to stay tuned. I guess.

15:51Mike Wright:Derrick Henry at 108. Amon Ross St. Brown to Kyle at 109. Malik Neighbors makes it into the first round of a 10 team with the 110. And then Ashton Gentry, unsurprisingly, to Papa Josh. With the first pick of the second round, he's got Jenty on the Dynasty team and him and the Falcon they spend every other minute just oodling their own team.

16:15Andy Holloway:Yes, they do.

16:17Mike Wright:Devon HN at the 202, Nico at the 203, Puka, Josh Jacobs and Brock Bowers off the board in the second round. Now Mike, in a 10 team. Yeah, it's a 10 team. Talk about that.

16:30Andy Holloway:In a 10 team, on yesterday's Tips and Tricks, one of Jason's was don't take two onesies in the first few rounds. Generally, I do agree upon that. But in a 10-teamer, you're supplying demand for wide receivers and running backs changes. Wait, we took Chase Brown? We didn't even talk about it. What a great pick we just did. I didn't mean to.

16:57Jason Moore:Why would we have taken Chase Brown? Leave him on the team because he's awesome. Did you just accidentally click Chase Brown to draft him? He's trying to add him to the queue. He did the wrong button again. I believe it. James and William, the kid. You do this so much. You do sleeper drafts. I'm hosting the show. I was talking. I know that's why I didn't want to do anything. I'm just trying to put him in order so I could take it. You can't use hosting as an excuse for not understanding which buttons you can click while not talking. You just all you had to do was hit the queue button instead of the draft button, but I guess we've moved on.

17:31Jason Moore:Oh my goodness gracious.

17:32Andy Holloway:So in a 10 teamer the onesie positions are why don't i have my own team the onesie positions are really where you can make up some ground 10 team at the end everybody's team is going to look awesome unless you have just botched your draft because there's more by accidentally drafting players don't draft another one yeah don't add anyone to the queue just you guys write them down you're in charge to click in the button the the rbs and wide receivers the the supply is higher so tight especially elite tight ends move up like if you want to take brock bowers at the end of the first or in the early second that's fine with me let me piggyback that real quick because what i was

18:12Mike Wright:going to do before i drafted chase brown inadvertently but to our advantage was was i was going to talk about our opportunity to draft trey mcbride because you just you just talked about it you have a positional advantage in a 10 team mcbride was available to us we all decided to go chase brown yes at which point brian thomas jr went next london and irving chuba kyron and aj brown we're back on the clock tray mcbride's still there but there are other

18:43Jason Moore:players that you guys can go ahead and add to the queue yeah i i will say that the the point would you have picked over chase definitely without a doubt taking either brian thomas or drake london having started with gibbs we could go more of a hero rb and and brian thomas and drake london to me represent the end of those top 10 wide receivers that I really with that really want one so now yeah I totally agree I would have gone wide receiver there but now when you're looking at who's left and it's Ladd McConkie and Jackson Smith and Jig but it's like I don't I don't view those guys Higgins available Garrett Wilson Marvin do you want to chase Brown and meet Higgins

19:17Andy Holloway:though no no no I don't my point is these wide receivers to the queue is that what you said

19:22Jason Moore:My point is these wide receivers who are the next best available are a tier down from Drake London and Brian Thomas.

19:29Andy Holloway:I totally agree.

19:30Mike Wright:Do you view Bucky Irving, Kyron Williams, and Chuba in the same tier as Chase Brown?

19:38Jason Moore:Personally, I think Kyron Williams and Chase Brown are in the same tier if Stafford's playing. Kyron scares – every ram right now scares the tar out of me.

19:48Mike Wright:I'm just saying, if you look at it from the other perspective, Was there a different tear break there between Bucky and Chase Brown? I don't know. I know Chase Brown, Jason, you're completely convinced he'll be a dominant player. I am.

19:59Jason Moore:This is not an anti-Chase Brown take at all.

20:01Mike Wright:So are you saying you'd go Trey McBride here and we'd try to ride value at wide receiver?

20:06Jason Moore:I would not have gone Trey McBride over those other two wide receivers that I viewed as still elite. But with the tear break, with Chase Brown and Kyron being gone, with Brian Thomas and Drake London being gone, us in the third round, it's a 10-team league. personally I think that's where you go

20:21Andy Holloway:I would look at the running backs real quick so on the board you know I'd love me some Johnny Tay Johnny Taylor I just kind of trailed off I thought you were trying something new Jonathan Taylor, James Cook O'Marion Hampton those guys are all still there Hampton with this build is interesting I would be looking at Hampton or McBride

20:46Jason Moore:I think because we've got Gibbs and Brown. And you can make the argument because we've got them, we can take the rookie and if he gets off to a slow start. But right now, Najee can't even jog without hurting his eyes. So personally, I think with the two, I would lean McBride. Okay.

21:01Mike Wright:Something in me says you guys should make the pick. I got it.

21:04Jason Moore:Okay.

21:05Mike Wright:All right. Trey McBride off the board at 304. Again, I still think Trey McBride was a fair decision to make in the second round of a 10-team league. I do agree. Luckily, I didn't let us make that mistake, and we got him in the third. Really crafty by me, if I'm honest.

21:22Jason Moore:I will say that if we were going to end up with McBride, this was the route to do it. Yeah. Because we would have ended up with, you know, I mean, I would rather have Chase Brown and Trey McBride than Trey McBride and Jonathan Taylor. I can't believe I did it again.

21:38Mike Wright:Trey McBride in the third round. Jonathan Taylor, Amari and Hampton in the third. Munkonky, Higgins. I can totally believe it. Yeah. Garrett Wilson.

21:46Jason Moore:I don't even think it's the last time this episode. I'm going to be honest. I think there's a 40 % chance it happens again. Unless he keeps saying, like, okay, you guys push the button. He has no clue. He has no clue which one. My hands have been off the board. Sleeper, can you add some tool tips? Like, just some mouse over.

22:05Mike Wright:Let me just be. No, no, no, no. Thank you for this opportunity. There's no world where plush should be how you draft. No? Like add? Like add? No. Add to team? No, because we're not running like a free agent bin.

22:20Jason Moore:But you think piece of paper should be draft?

22:24Mike Wright:Piece of paper should not be draft. Plus should be Q. And a new graphic should be draft. That's what I'm going to board with.

22:32Andy Holloway:Because to me, the paper is like, make a note.

22:34Jason Moore:Right. Add them to your list on this piece of paper. Exactly. Right. Now, that does make sense when you explain it like that.

22:42Mike Wright:All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back with the rest of the draft.

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25:02Mike Wright:um i uh during the break we all discussed it and totally agreed with me that plus was confusing and and i'm really smart all right jonathan taylor after our mcbride pick hampton mcconkey higgins garrett wilson and json big wide receiver run at the end of the third round if you're watching on youtube you can see the wide receivers coming off the board newly minted james cook at the 401 not a problem there ahead of Connor I moved him ahead of Connor recently Marvin Harrison at the 402 James Connor at the 403 George Kittle off the board with the fourth pick of the fourth round Mike Evans Kenneth Walker off the board and uh do you feel a little backed into that wide receiver

25:40Jason Moore:position here a little bit yeah that's appropriate yeah I wish we had Brian Thomas Jr. Drake London in that second round um yeah so of the wide receivers don't worry about it well Tyree

25:51Mike Wright:kills back at practice he's on the board like his adp right now is significantly higher than where we are like he's been passed in a bunch of our mock drafts for the same tentativeness but he's healthy he's back at practice uh he's on the board terry mcclorn not been paid yet he's on the board adams you talked about being scared out of your mind with stafford that seems like the worst place to go for our first wide receiver when you have some trepidation there yeah the wide receiver one

26:21Jason Moore:territory according to my personal rankings and i don't i don't know that your guys is uh are anything like this but mine go dj more dk metcalf davante adams tyree kill as far as the players that are available um but i do think that there are uh types of players did you say dj more at the top i did say dj more at the top but if you were to compare dj more i don't want him to be my wide that's where that's where i was getting is like he he is ahead of dk metcalf but I don't think he is a consistent player. I don't think he is necessarily guaranteed to be even the number one for his team. Whereas DK Metcalf profiles, I mean, we know he's the number one wide receiver for his team.

27:01Jason Moore:There's no other option on that roster.

27:04Mike Wright:What would your pick be, Mike? I know that Jason and I are a little higher on DK Metcalf. I would be totally fine with taking the shot on Terry Kill here. I'm also okay going a slightly maybe safer route with, you know, you could go Devontae Smith if you wanted to. You could swing for the fences with Teddero McMillan in the fourth.

27:27Andy Holloway:Personally, I would be going with Tyreek Hill. It's not a comfortable spot to have him as your wide receiver one, but you have to factor in we have Trey McBride, so we have that positional advantage. And with it being, again, being 10-team, I think you can kind of swing right there on Tyreek of what if he comes back and he's a top five wide receiver, you can make up some of your depth. And, you know, like where guys like Metcalf and Sutton, they're good players, but if they hit their ceiling, they're not hitting a Tyreek Hill ceiling. Meanwhile, we can find some pieces that maybe can fill it out.

28:06Mike Wright:I'm super excited.

28:07Andy Holloway:I agree, and I love it.

28:09Mike Wright:Tyreek Hill, Travion went next, probably just to get some air time. The Falcon wants to get Travion. Oh, no, he likes him. That's why. yeah uh dj more davante adams josh allen so first quarterback off the board term in the fifth round and a 10 team this is that's really good yeah and then lamar jackson off the board we're back on the clock i was actually rooting for courtland sutton to make it to this pick because i feel like sutton is an actual borderline wide receiver one but metcalf didn't go yeah metcalf is still there

28:36Jason Moore:to me he is um significantly ahead in my rankings as my as a wide receiver too like i if this was my team i would have taken dk metcalf over tyreek hill but if you do that tyreek does not make it back and dk did so to me considering we missed out on those second round wide receivers because of your brilliant yeah chase brown pick super smart tyreek hill and dk metcalf in the fourth and fifth are great to pair with gibbs chase brown and trey mcbride i i like the way the

29:04Mike Wright:roster is turning up would you have gone i mean i'll take metcalf jason seems strong there and I'll go with that. You hit the right button. I did. I did. See, the plus means draft, and the little teeny paper means list. Yeah.

29:17Andy Holloway:Got it. Would you have gone Sutton over Metcalf? I would have gone Sutton over Metcalf, and I would have gone Ted Aroa McMillan with that pick over both DK and Sutton.

29:28Mike Wright:Yeah, I would have been really comfortable there too.

29:32Andy Holloway:But Tyreek Hill and DK Metcalf, I mean, If there's any age requirements for our wide receivers to get in, we have those requirements. They're not going to be ID'd. No.

29:44Mike Wright:Jameer Gibbs, Chase Brown, the running backs. Trey McBride at tight end. Tyreek L.D.K. Metcalf, the wide receivers. If you look at the, I guess we're calling it the mistake. Not to me. And you say that's Brian Thomas Jr. instead of Chase Brown. That means our third round is Jonathan Taylor instead of, you don't get McBride. so how do you feel how it played out would you still have preferred brian thomas with the wide receivers we ended up with moving from chase brown to jonathan taylor i have my taylor concerns

30:18Jason Moore:you're the most bullish yeah i'm very bullish on taylor i would love to have taylor but getting mcbride while we have two great running backs and two very good wide receivers i think i think it's worked out it probably is even better than had we taken one of those because metcalf to me i see Metcalf he's my wide receiver 17 and he's your wide receiver 14 getting that in the fifth round solidifies a roster so I it I like it right now we're we're really balanced after Metcalf went

30:47Mike Wright:McMillan and then Jamison Williams who also would have been in consideration for me if it was just my pick Jaden Daniels Kamara Hurts and Sutton rounding out the fifth round in our 10-team mock We've got Devontae Smith with the first pick of the sixth round. That is a great value to me. Again, 10-team league, but that's nice. Brees Hall at 6.02, but grudgingly selected.

31:13Andy Holloway:Sixth round is perfectly fine. Joe Burrow? Fifth round's fine, too.

31:17Mike Wright:George Pickens off the board. Xavier Worthy off the board. Jalen Waddell. Our team, two running backs, two wideouts, and a tight end so far. We're back on the clock. Certainly wasn't going to be tempted by Waddell with Tyreek already on this team. you've got wide receiver options another rookie in travis hunter who's been moving up the board a player i think is highly undervalued right now in calvin ridley the rapport with uh you know on that team it's it's great right now with cam ward you have running back options you know joe mixon's falling in drafts right now with the ambiguity around his situation rj harvey is sitting there

31:54Jason Moore:i mean you you literally just named the names that i'm oh those are the ones you wrote those Absolutely. Those four are the names that are the most appealing to me. So and specifically, in my opinion, it's Travis Hunter versus Joe Mixon. And they're as kind of opposite as, you know, do you want the currently injured super old guy, but who is a stalwart workhorse on a good offense who was awesome last year? And should he get it together? Talk about solidifying a roster or the high upside unproven, and have no idea how many snaps he's playing on offense, but one of the most elite athletes in the NFL already, the number two pick in Travis Hunter.

32:36Mike Wright:That will be about a round after McMillan. They're going pretty close in mocks. Here's what we'll do, though, is we have a short turn to our next pick. So you're talking about a running back versus a wide receiver. Where do you believe right now more depth is in this draft? Because it can be less about those two facing off and more about, hey, what's the best available player on the board in the seventh round with the way our team is balanced right now? You know, I see Mixon, Montgomery, Harvey. Then I feel like it's sort of a teardrop at that point at running back. Maybe you could put Pacheco in there.

33:14Mike Wright:You know, Kareem Hunt's banged up. Pacheco's had the number one spot. A wide receiver, I don't feel as cozy with the depth beyond Hunter and maybe Ridley.

33:24Jason Moore:I would agree with that. Now Ridley is not beloved by everybody. He could very easily come back to us in the seventh, but then everyone we're drafting with is listening to us right now.

33:34Andy Holloway:Andy, I thought you were more in on Judy. Am I mistaken?

33:37Mike Wright:Judy has – I've kind of softened a little bit. Okay. I'll feel pretty decent with – the hard part there is it's just like I like Njoku as the biggest beneficiary from Joe Flacco. Judy had that explosive small period of time with Jameis Winston, but Tillman is back and healthy. Deontay Johnson's involved so I just think there's a little bit more room for Judy to be disappointing disappointing than I had probably a month ago I think we need to balance out like

34:06Jason Moore:Gibbs and Chase Brown are awesome Tyreek Hill and DK Metcalf are good but they don't need to be carded and I think we should get a wide receiver that if he was going to go grab a six-pack might

34:18Mike Wright:might be carded and some some youthful upside I see what you mean and Travis Hunter you want to

34:23Jason Moore:get card bring our average wide receiver age down and i would agree with you i don't like the depth

34:28Mike Wright:that wide receiver as much as i'm good with travis hunter all right let's get that off the board let the guys take our analysis and then take the players right behind us uh which is one of the fun parts about drafting live uh to everybody so we'll take travis hunter so we went the three wide i think that's good logic there with um you know even with tyreek hill having a little bit of an injury management situation in this offseason and met calf on a new team after we took hunter joe mixon did go next as you might expect zay flowers off the board i i feel like the zay flowers world right now is just totally apathetic it's like it very much you take him because you got it but nobody's like into it and this is an explosive player he's gonna be fine he's had very

35:14Andy Holloway:he's had great fantasy success in different periods of time so zay flowers let me just go confirm something real quick uh because you've heard me talk about the my adp study with um where i'm a little concerned about jsn how high he's being drafted yeah of and that adp study is essentially players that break out in year two then where they are drafted the following year do they return the points that they are being drafted for their adp expectation and it's actually a lower hit rate than a than a lot of other things especially compared to what you think where like a year two guy this guy should be on a rocket ship he's going to be fantastic but that's the problem is they get on an adp rocket ship and go up and they they return value about half the time zay flowers is in that scenario as well where he finished as a top 24 for the first time as a year two guy but his adp is not being steamed up so if you're talking about returning value i think he is the better bet over jsn but can he actually make a jump into like an upper top 15 yeah type of a player it's not impossible but it seems it seems hard it seems unlikely yeah

36:29Mike Wright:look uh we took hunter mix and went next then flowers we just talked about a montgomery egg bucca aaron jones goes uh my tier of those next the the best running backs left on the board were mix in montgomery and rj harvey uh calvin ridley did go at the 703 the falcon will not be invited to future drafts um we just went three straight wide receivers rj harvey's still on the board yeah i mean i do want to talk about him for a second just in the fact that like i just recently saw k adams interview with sean payton you know she kind of joked about him being fifth on the depth chart because that's kind of like a posturing thing also talked about that joker role and and

37:06Andy Holloway:payton defined what a joker is to him everyone on his team it is everyone on the team no he said he

37:12Mike Wright:said any running back and tight end they have extra special wide receiver skills so those two positions that don't always they don't always catch the ball but so it can't be evan ingram um he said evan ingram was his his established joker old he also said previous jokers would have been like darren sproles right somebody that had extra special he better have uh i didn't I didn't see Graham. Okay.

37:33Andy Holloway:If you didn't, shame on you.

37:35Mike Wright:Yeah, I mean, Graham certainly was. But then they bring up R.J. Harvey. Is he a joker? And he kind of said, well, he's got those skills. He doesn't have his joker wings yet. That was the way he put it. His wings? A joker doesn't have wings, man. Look, he's crossing metaphors. His cap.

37:49Andy Holloway:See, I didn't spend any time thinking about that, guys. It is just the joker cap.

37:54Mike Wright:It's just the joker cap. But that's what he said.

37:56Andy Holloway:But R.J. Harvey should probably be our pick. So we want to – It seems like we're all in agreement. I would just I would peek at quarterback I peaked last round For the listeners at home the big we'll call them the big five Allen, Lamar, Daniels, Hurts, Burrow they're already gone so it's like Mahomes ADP wise it's Mahomes, Baker, Bo, Kyler so I agree

38:25Jason Moore:you don't need to jump in right now there's five teams left in this league who don't have a quarterback and there are more than five quarterbacks that I would be just fine having so I don't know once you're past that big five I'm not sure I care much to start the next one exactly I'd wait forever whether it's if you're telling me it's Baker great if you're telling me it's Bo Nix great Kyler okay Dak fine I mean there's too many guys here for us to pull the trigger early instead of continuing to load up depth where we need it so we did go with RJ Harvey so our

39:00Mike Wright:running backs gibbs chase brown rj harvey our wide outs tyree kill dk metcalf travis hunter with trey mcbride as that guaranteed production at one of the onesie spots we have uh four picks left stupid owl and what did he do what did he do okay okay yeah you i saw you had added him to our queue yeah i'm impressed that you know how to add players to the yeah it's just the piece of paper

39:24Jason Moore:icon it's the one that looks like add to list right um yeah i mean personally i've got caleb

39:30Andy Holloway:johnson ahead of rj harvey also a star you could just click man but i would love to there's a lot

39:34Jason Moore:going on just don't click the plus just don't click the add button to the team all right we'll

39:40Mike Wright:take a break real quick uh i just gave you the rundown and then we'll talk about the picks after harvey coming into our eighth round uh right after this football season is back and whether you're

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41:55Mike Wright:All right, Gibbs, Chase Brown, and R.J. Harvey at running back. Hill, Metcalf, Hunter at wide out. Trey McBride's our tight end. After we took Harvey, it was kind of the beginning of a little bit of a running back run. So you always feel good if you're at the top of that. Swift, Caleb Johnson, and Pollard. Right, Pollard being maybe a great value right now with Tajay Spears' injury. Stephon Diggs, seen more highlights in camp with Drake May. Diggs off the board at 7.08. Pacheco at 7.09 so 4 out of 5 running backs in a row and then Laporta the next tight end to drop 10th pick of the 7th round Brian Robinson Jr.

42:33Mike Wright:to start the 8th round, Olave, Pearsall and Rashi Rice finally off the board

42:37Andy Holloway:How do you guys feel about that? So the 8.04 for Rice in a 10 teamer

42:43Mike Wright:Well let's just say it's 6 games If it's 6 games he's not going to be IR eligible We are not in a double flex, we're not in a three wide you probably you can probably make that pick and and feel like the upside's there i

42:58Jason Moore:i'm okay with yeah i i really like it there i mean if you look at the team that that drafted him he's got puka lad mcconkey and george pickens already so you don't need you can you can hold off you can wait for rice to be available and then you might end up with you know a top 10 wide receiver

43:13Mike Wright:for the stretch run do you feel similarly about jordan addison in this round where he's got a three-game suspension we know it he was a highly productive player last year I don't feel that way

43:23Jason Moore:because there's the difference here is that you have a hope and a path like when when Rice was there I think he was the wide receiver three through those first three weeks you have a hope that he is a superstar that he is going to be the number one target the the you know 1500 yards eight to ten touchdowns with Patrick Mahomes as far as the pace obviously he won't do that if he misses six games. I don't think you have that hope with Jordan Addison. You're just getting a solid wide receiver two. Waiting games for a solid wide receiver two aren't necessarily worth it when you could just draft someone who could be a wide receiver two, solid wide receiver two that plays

44:01Mike Wright:week one. That's good logic. Rashi Rice was the 804. Mahomes went next.

44:07Andy Holloway:Got the Mahomes worthy stack.

44:09Mike Wright:That's true. Yeah, and that was the next quarterback off the board since the sixth round. And Judy finally goes off the board at 8.06. We're back on the clock. If you look at quarterback, Baker's there, Nix, Kyler, Purdy, Dak.

44:21Andy Holloway:There's only one team in between us and our next pick without a quarterback.

44:25Mike Wright:Yeah, so I don't think there's one name that we'd be okay with. Only if we ended up with Bo Nix, we'd have him with Harvey at some point down the line. So I feel fine waiting there, I assume. At running back, it doesn't look great. Tyron Tracy will be the starter. He's available. Jalen Warren will have a big role.

44:47Jason Moore:I'm going to say the name that I'm sure we won't draft as a collective team. But I do think – You're talking about Jacksonville's RB2? I'm talking about Jacksonville's RB1, their primary pass catcher.

44:58Mike Wright:Like today in practice or tomorrow?

45:00Jason Moore:I think Travis Etienne is being too overblown as dust. I don't think he is. And I know I stand alone here. and I'm not sitting here saying Travis Etienne is a top 15.

45:14Mike Wright:You stand there with last year right in front of you, and you still believe in him.

45:19Jason Moore:Yeah, I do. I do. I think that this is a player who could very easily get 70 targets at the running back position.

45:29Andy Holloway:Do you like that route, having Travis Hunter two picks ago?

45:33Mike Wright:I don't think he's even saying draft Travis Etienne. I'm not saying I would draft him. He's just defending his honor.

45:38Jason Moore:Right. I mean, if it's my pick, this is Roma Dunze here. That would be who I would go with personally. I'm fine with the Dunes.

45:44Mike Wright:I'm fine with a shot on another rookie in Matthew Golden, who Dobbs is banged up and Jaden Reed's banged up.

45:51Andy Holloway:Everyone in the Packers is hurt.

45:54Mike Wright:People have not talked enough about, I mean, Golden might have more of an opportunity to be a big-time contributor early just with some of these other players. I mean, Wicks can't catch. Reed's not available. Dobbs is banged up and Watson's out.

46:07Jason Moore:Yeah, and when Reed comes back, he's not an outside wide receiver. It seems like Matthew Golden is starting week one as an outside wide receiver. I've risen a lot on him. He was not my favorite prospect coming into the NFL draft. I thought it was outrageous to take him in the first round of the NFL draft just as a talent. His production profile is not that good. But when you look at the investment that a team did make in him and then the opportunity that he has to be on the field, add that to a quality offense and a good quarterback there's a lot of like i'm not gonna get stuck up on my uh you know prospect scouting and say i didn't love the guy so i can't see how he could score a ton of fantasy points so would you go adunze though who again

46:50Mike Wright:another practice sport today the red zone guy for caleb williams would you go adunze over golden mike do you believe in a bigger breakout potential for adunze than golden i don't it's this pick i

47:04Andy Holloway:I think we go wide receiver here. I think so, too. Between Rome, Matthew Golden, and Josh Downs, though, I think it is an extremely difficult selection. I would agree. That's team makeup. That's team makeup.

47:15Mike Wright:That might be an ADP gamble, too, with just like, you know, if you go a Doomsday here and we come back and we want to take Golden with the next pick or we take, you know.

47:24Andy Holloway:You've got to know your league, and I think in this one. The one where we're telling everybody what we want to do. Yeah, that one. But also the ADP is, we're in the eighth. ADP is out the window.

47:32Mike Wright:So what would your vote be? My vote would be a slight Adunze lean over Golden.

47:37Jason Moore:That would be mine as well. That's fine.

47:39Mike Wright:All right, so we'll take Adunze. Add him to the stable of wide receivers that we've got as we try to piece this thing together. Addison does go next. So the two suspended guys going in the eighth round of a 10 team here. Kelsey off the board, another tight end. Matthew Golden, of course. Now, see, here's the real problem. What's that? I know for a fact that Jake took Matthew Golden. And there's no chance he takes Matthew Golden in any draft under the sun. I also don't think Matt takes Josh Downs. This is the biggest Bears fan on the planet. He does not want to watch Matthew Golden whatsoever. Now, yes, that is probably Odun's payback, but that's also like he should be muting the TV out in the lobby where he's drafting.

48:27Mike Wright:So Matthew Golden off the board, Tyler Warren. I love that pick here. I was going to bring up Warren with her next pick just for the thought exercise of like, you know. Don't hate it. If you're super late in the draft, you've got a huge upside tight end. It's a position of power, and it's like, could you flex this dude on a certain week if you needed to? Just have the conversation.

48:48Jason Moore:Yeah, I don't think that's a terrible idea. Now, in this league specifically, we're only drafting 11 players. Really hard to draft two tight ends. For sure. In this format. But in your normal league, I think that that is something you look at. no matter if you took one of the early tight ends, you can still pull the trigger on a Loveland or a Warren if you believe that there is a true break-in, break-out potential.

49:10Mike Wright:So Baker Mayfield did go off the board. We talked about looking at quarterback here, so Brooks took his quarterback. At this point, there are two teams other than us that don't have a quarterback. I still think we like Knicks. We'd be okay with Kyler. We'd be okay with Dak. I mean, is this the position where you want to take Knicks to combine him with Harvey's pass catching just to get a little bit of control over your quarterback position.

49:33Jason Moore:To me, it just depends on is there another player at running back or wide receiver that we like. There is for me as well. There's one personal player.

49:39Mike Wright:So there's a running back that Mike, I know, really wants here.

49:44Andy Holloway:Yeah, I had to off-the-air message Andy because we keep getting destroyed by these people who are listening to us. and because i was like i think we we got wide receiver was the correct pick of those three players and it was oh we need a running back to come back to us do you see who it is i see who

50:03Jason Moore:it is and it was so i did not know that and that is who i was going to say we have to take him jordan yep jordan mason is the pick we take him you fools when we didn't say it out loud you

50:15Mike Wright:didn't know who to grab apparently we got to be all sneaky like uh trying to help the foot clan here jordan mace in two rounds which we did two rounds after aaron jones that's the interesting thing like a little more than two rounds behind aaron jones could be a co-starter situation and this is one of those mike on the tips and tricks yesterday said you know minnesota is one of those kind of like the starter may or may not be like aaron jones is going to come up against the wall

50:41Andy Holloway:aaron jones is going to be turning 31 very soon and i know look i know he got the money but yeah it's not a disrespect to Aaron Jones a 31 year old running back breaking down or losing a little bit by game five or so while you have Jordan Mason who on the ground was awesome last year I wish he could have passes yeah Jordan Mason yeah not a great pass catcher and right now I

51:04Jason Moore:you know I would still take Aaron Jones ahead of Jordan Mason personally because of the pass catching yeah I would too but Jordan Mason is he is going to get a ton of work this year he will be a weekly startable running back for fantasy football who is in the situation where should Aaron Jones go down he becomes you know a top 10 running back probably so we did go Jordan Mason

51:26Mike Wright:Scadaboo went next you see a run of some tight ends going this is one of the things that like we're not sitting here worrying about tight end obviously because we got McBride in the third but Hawkinson Njoku and Andrews go in the next run here Bo Nix off the board and Dak off the board so those two teams that didn't have quarterbacks listening in making sure we don't have those two guys one player i never bring up i i know there will be people out there that i are happy i mentioned him for a moment we've got jameer gibbs we've got an offense as the top five offense most of the quarterbacks off the board were the last one to take them take one that's our only available stack at the position would be jared goff we never no we have another stack

52:09Andy Holloway:sitting right in front of us, man.

52:11Mike Wright:Who do we have sitting in front of us?

52:12Andy Holloway:Trey McBride.

52:13Mike Wright:Oh, we do have the Kyler McBride. Oh, forget that, dude. I'd rather go Kyler. Yeah. We never taught. I mean, that disrespect went right back. Look, we never taught Goff, though. Goff has been one of the most consistent fantasy finishers.

52:26Andy Holloway:I like Goff, but I think that it's a little more scary this year with all of the change and the defense being better.

52:32Mike Wright:Now, do we take Kyler or do we, since everyone's listening, everybody drafting do we go with another position and force these knuckleheads to take kyler to think about taking kyler and ruining it for us no i would just i would take kyler because that's

52:48Andy Holloway:what i would actually do right here i want to stop for one second though and so owl at the 10.05 took juan jennings who i know he has a calf injury right now but juan jen there a world exists where it's not Ricky Pearsall as the wide receiver one for the team. A world exists where Jennings is still that guy, which he was the one who had to step up last year with all the absences and injuries like Ayuken hurt and Deboing. So Jennings in the 10th is just such good value. Do you want me to take Kyler, Andy? Are you worried about?

53:28Mike Wright:I thought I took him. I'm going to.

53:31Andy Holloway:Oh, did we freeze?

53:33Mike Wright:Are we frozen here?

53:34Andy Holloway:Yeah. No, we got him. We got him. We're back. We're back.

53:37Jason Moore:Just refresh. We're good.

53:39Mike Wright:So I thought I took him.

53:41Jason Moore:Yeah, you got him. We got him. We got Kyler. So Kyler Murray's on the team. Kyler McBride stack. The three of us come together. We end up with the Kyler, Murray, Trey McBride stack. What will be said?

53:52Mike Wright:In the 10th, it's a value. Okay. So Kyler is off the board. It is.

53:56Jason Moore:I do love how this team is actually rounding out. I mean, we started top heavy at running back. We've got one of the stud onesies in McBride. deep at wide receiver, and a mobile rushing quarterback in the 10th. I think that's how you build a roster.

54:10Mike Wright:So, yeah, I think it's kind of come together nicely. We are the last ones to get a quarterback. That puts us with Gibbs, Chase, Brown, Harvey, and Mason at running back. That feels good. That feels very good. Tyreek, Metcalf, Hunter, and Adunze. I think you are looking at, you know, a little bit of risk for all those guys, right? None of those are like risk-free players. In the UDK, they're going to have some risk. But it's a good group. And then Kyla Murray and McBride as your stack. So, you know, Charbonnet goes next. Keenan Allen off the board. Jalen Blue. Najee. Ford. Kraft. You know, one thing that popped into my head.

54:49Mike Wright:Kraft in the 11th is ridiculous. That's what I was going to say. We talked about Dobbs being hurt. No Watson. No Jaden Reed. Kraft is going to be one of the biggest beneficiaries as well.

54:58Andy Holloway:I love Kraft this year.

54:59Mike Wright:I'll point out a couple names. You tell me if you like them. You've got other options. You can go Chris Godwin. stash him on IR that would be another name McLaurin does not have a contract Debo Samuel who continues to catch touchdowns in camp over and over again he's on the board Jaden Higgins another young name wide receiver on a division winning team in Houston on the board Jaden Reed still out there if you look at wide receiver I like all of those names and I would say that if

55:24Jason Moore:we look at our team we don't need a running back I really like how our running backs are wide receiver you could say we could take a high upside case and i think that's what you would swing the you know the bat for is you're looking for a home run here so that might be jaden higgins over adebo samuel i wrote that cooper cup the only other player that i might quarterback yeah is it jared goff or is it justin fields no okay hold on hold on keep scrolling you gotta

55:51Mike Wright:scroll like like jordan lost it's drake may keep swiping it's probably drake may it's not drake Nope, not Drake. Oh, my. Keep swiping. No, you got to do the two finger and you shove the whole page.

56:01Jason Moore:Nope, not Tua. Vincent Testaverde. Closer, closer. Drew Brees. Anthony Richardson. There it is. Hey! No, God, no. First try. No, that's so stupid. Sure. No offense. No, no, no. None taken when you call me so stupid.

56:14Andy Holloway:I would go Justin Fields over Richardson if you're going.

56:16Jason Moore:I mean, I would go 16 other names. Here's why I wouldn't, and let me just make my case here. I am not saying that all the other, like, Anthony Richardson right now, Justin Herbert's on the board. Jared Goff's on the board. Brock Purdy's – those are all better than Anthony Richardson. We've got Kyler. Even the best Richardsons worse than those guys. The only reason to take a second quarterback here is for the chance that it's like – it's that guy who's a top three quarterback.

56:41Mike Wright:You don't believe that. I do believe that. Oh, that's – there is no chance – I mean, the other names on this board, Drake May, infinitely better chance to be that special player. Richardson can't be better than that. Jordan Love, been a top five. Justin Fields, he's done it before. Richardson is not the pick you're a wild man

56:57Jason Moore:I'm a wild man with my belief in his fantasy ability

57:03Mike Wright:but we're too far away

57:07Andy Holloway:that's just a last pick

57:08Mike Wright:Mike you make the pick and don't pick that guy

57:11Andy Holloway:if we're going to go quarterback I would take Fields looking at the running back position Javante is still there if you want to hate yourself not in this format You've got to aim higher of what I've talked about with Tank Bigsby and the coach. His name is escaping me right now. Liam Cohen? Cohen, the new Cohen system where both Bucky and Rashad White caught a whole bunch of passes. I know Tank's not a good pass catcher, but the ball might just be thrown at him a whole bunch, even if he doesn't want it to be. And then at the wide receiver position, It's wild that Jaden Reed might go undrafted in this.

57:55Andy Holloway:Or the Godwin or Brandon Ayuk stash because of IR. That was like 20 names. Which one are you taking? I gave you like five names. So which one are you taking?

58:07Mike Wright:Who are you going to take, Mike?

58:09Andy Holloway:Let's go with Godwin.

58:13Mike Wright:You get an extra player. You get to throw him on the IR and then you get another player.

58:18Andy Holloway:And then I'll go to the waiver wire and either pick up Fields or Braylon Allen.

58:21Mike Wright:So did you take Chris Godwin?

58:22Andy Holloway:Oh, you want me to actually do it?

58:24Mike Wright:No, that's fine. I'll do it. I know how to do that. You know how to do that?

58:26Jason Moore:Well, you've always known how to draft him. Yeah. That's never really been the issue. You've never known how to just like You've never known how to not draft him. Look at him. Like flirting has been a problem for you. Right. You just go right up and be like I'm a quick commit. Can we go Love at first sight. Will you marry me?

58:39Mike Wright:Yeah. So Godwin's the pick. Debo, Shakir, Braylon Allen. Loveland.

58:44Andy Holloway:Kyle.

58:45Mike Wright:Rashad White, Colson Loveland. That's who we should have taken. Ray Davis. You think?

58:48Andy Holloway:Yeah.

58:49Mike Wright:Why is that? You're in a Loveland mood?

58:51Andy Holloway:Because I believe in both Loveland and Tyler Warren and in a 10-teamer at that point.

58:57Mike Wright:He's taking everything in me to not spend the rest of the show talking about how bad I think Anthony Richardson is. All right. So our team we ended up with I think it became a very good team. It wasn't like Chase Brown was somewhere down right in the adp at that point so it was gonna be you know i think if we were staring down a running back choice there i think we would have come to the chase brown conclusion if we went running back i would agree with that because mike is all about chase brown you you obviously believe in him he's the highest guy on my board at that point so we end up with him gibbs chase brown rj harvey jordan mason tyreek metcalf hunter odunze and then godwin and uh i I feel good about that.

59:40Mike Wright:And then Kyler McBride getting McBride in the third, around after Bowers. I feel good about that too. The onesie stack. I love it. So there you go. We'll let you take a look at the entire draft board. If you're over on YouTube, check it out. Share all of your tips on how to draft on Sleeper. On the YouTube comments, which are crazy, by the way.

1:00:02Andy Holloway:Yeah, but what are you doing on YouTube? I don't know what's going on in the YouTube comments.

1:00:05Mike Wright:But we see you. I know. that when we talked about mowing your lawns while doing the show, that was a big deal. It was a bigger deal than I knew. So I don't know what else we can mention that you might be doing the moment you're listening to the show. Are you putting on pants right now and listening to the show? Congratulations. Mike is not because of the Travion Henderson news. He's not putting on pants ever again. Never. So thank you for all the comments.

1:00:31Jason Moore:Commenters have just been very forward. You know what I mean? yes yeah yeah they've been blunt yeah they've been very blunt my guys tomorrow the my guys are

1:00:42Mike Wright:revealed super excited cannot wait to reveal them to you we had some huge hits last year some worked out some didn't that is the story of the my guys you're taking shots but i thought they did well i thought last year they did pretty well and then big names tomorrow next week we got breakout sleepers bus and values episodes coming your way so a lot going on we've got the the udk for life live stream coming up a giveaway somebody's going to win a udk for the rest of their natural life including a signed jamar chase jersey will be giving away as well so we'll be with you on a monday live stream after the show and i think that does it do you guys feel how'd the team i didn't give you a chance to kind of just like i ran with your thoughts no i genuinely

1:01:31Jason Moore:really like it i think that we have the upside at each position that you want and we have the depth that you require so um it worked out really well i like the kyler mcbride stack especially for value in the third round and in the 10th round that's what you know when you're not forcing the stack and you let both of those picks come to you i like it a lot i felt like it was pretty good for a draft

1:01:54Mike Wright:in which everyone can read our minds because we're saying our minds out loud. Mike, did you feel satisfied?

1:02:00Andy Holloway:Yeah, I like it.

1:02:02Mike Wright:All right, that'll do it for today's episode. Shout out to the deucers over there who were also producing the show and drafting at the same time. We appreciate you guys. Back with another episode tomorrow, the My Guys finally revealed. Goodbye.

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