Fantasy Football - The TRUTH: Top 10 Fantasy TEs + Wheel of Shame - Podcast for 2/5

9:52Jason Moore:Future second half of the season head coach Frank Reich. Yeah.

9:57Mike Wright:I mean, he was out of the NFL. He was at Stanford. He had an awful, awful year in Carolina for 15 minutes and 15 games.

10:08Andy Holloway:So last year, it did not work out for Coach Glenn. I would assume that Coach Glenn is a smart guy. You can't at least get these opportunities if you're just a complete dum-dum. It didn't work out, him being a head coach. And he has to know, or he has to at least have the thought process when he's hiring these guys. I might get fired halfway through this year. I know how the NFL works. And when you have the complete lack of success that I had in my first year, if you start out that way in year two, often you see those guys fired. It's like that's got to be a strange mental exercise of when you're hiring an OC like Reich, who has head coaching experience.

10:55Andy Holloway:Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

10:57Mike Wright:To be honest with you, there's just no forward thinking needed. when you are playing for your job you are playing for the next moment on the clock

11:04Andy Holloway:and that's all he thinks about i'm not saying avoid it i'm saying that the thought has to have

11:09Mike Wright:crossed his mind the cardinals hired former jets offensive coordinator nathaniel hackett because we the cardinals would like multiple offensive coordinators at the jets what are we do you realize that's what we've done yes we've hired two offensive coordinators from the jets nathaniel hackett will be the offensive coordinator but in a wink wink kind of way because michael for will

11:26Jason Moore:call the plays yeah i i hate this um as a card this is another one like you're like they just keep getting jobs exactly naggy i mean hack it is well if you pull if you coached a hall of fame a first ballot ish hall of fame quarterback you can ride that for so long i mean there's a lot of

11:49Mike Wright:respect for play there's a lot of respect for coaches that we don't have respect for right and

11:55Jason Moore:I don't know how to put properly into words that if Aaron Rodgers were to be the Arizona Cardinals quarterback this next year. Oh no. Because of the connection with Nathaniel Hackett. Peace! I am out. O-U-T out. I will be doing a whole new search for a new team. Are you going to put out like... Oh yeah.

12:19Mike Wright:Are you getting a recruiter like you would for a job?

12:22Jason Moore:I'm going to go hardcore into this. I'm going to look at the ownership structure of all the franchises because that's what I want. I don't want quarterback. I don't want head coach. I want ownership that is functional, competent, and quality.

12:34Mike Wright:Can I put this out there into the universe? If you start looking for a new team, I want these new teams, the fans of these new teams, to know one thing. Jason doesn't know how to root for you or how to root in general. So it might be a confusing situation.

12:48Andy Holloway:if like i am okay if the job of nathaniel hackett is lafleur is like here's the game plan he's like that's great coach i love it and he's like yes man yeah he's like oh we want him to be a you know what this this hey where we just ran these two plays i got these these new uh these next two in line and he's like that's incredible coach get him in there you realize there were 21

13:09Mike Wright:offensive coordinator jobs this offseason that's there are 32 teams that's insane 21 of them and 17 of the 21 have been filled the Raiders Bears Rams and Seahawks like obviously the Seahawks will need to fill after Kubiak goes to become the Raiders head coach but yeah I mean 21 of 32

13:31Jason Moore:it's almost like only one team wins the Super Bowl right Hackett as the OC I obviously we didn't like him as a head coach there's hope that maybe he's a better OC than a head coach okay but the nice thing here is that he is not the play caller he's not he is hopefully just an offensive manager assistant to the actual head coach who is the offensive guru in Mike LaFleur well we're going

13:56Mike Wright:to jump right in I think we are through the news we've got a big game coming up we've got some rosters I am going to get shamed today so we might as well get into the truth

14:12Mike Wright:you want answers i think i'm entitled you want answers i want the truth you can't handle the truth

14:22Mike Wright:all right we have talked about every other position we are arriving at the truth of the tight end position maybe the toughest pill to swallow for some fantasy managers uh the truth of the tight end position is it's a hard truth it really is jason's talked about it before i believe a quote from jason is well about the first five or six tight ends they matter and none of the

14:44Jason Moore:others matter and and they suck yeah they suck um once you get to i mean i i remember years ago trey boo boo uh yeah trey burton trey burton i couldn't even remember his name i just remember Trey Boo Boo. Trey Burton was a my guy. I'm glad you brought it up. That year when he was a my guy, he finished as the tight end seven. So you can hang your hat on that and be like, oh baby, top seven. The dude sucked. The whole year he was worthless and he finishes the tight end seven. The whole tight ends that finishes a tight end one. We do this with the quarterbacks, right? Quarterbacks every year there's like 40 something thing quarterbacks that finish a week as a tight end one this this year there were 64 tight ends

15:31Mike Wright:that finished as tight end one on 32 teams on any given week 64 different tight ends had a top 12 week which meant that you had about 58 chances to be like oh maybe there'll be something yeah

15:44Andy Holloway:can we just change the verbiage of a tight end one is a top six tight end that would help so much it really would and if you're a tight end too that means you're at seven or lower here's one of the things i was going to ask you i'm with you like if you're if you finish there that means that you

15:58Jason Moore:had a couple spike weeks we should really do that like i don't confuse so many it will confuse us

16:05Mike Wright:but it will be more accurate here's the thing i want to i want to ask you your opinion on this if there are 64 tight ends that finish inside the top 12 yes top 12 that's fine and okay so that's 24 25 more than the quarterback position which is already a streaming position for a lot of people is it fair to say that like outside of the the top five or six names this is maybe more similar to picking a kicker than anything else yeah for sure i mean there

16:36Jason Moore:are good arguments that i've seen to get rid of the tight end position i don't i don't like that um but tight ends still matter tight ends are a difference maker at the top you know when you've got those Trey McBride and George Kittle, RIP.

16:53Andy Holloway:Yeah, the injuries really derailed the position.

16:58Jason Moore:There's a lot of fun draft strategy around the position. But the truth is, as we joke about 64 tight ends finishing in the top 12, it is also true that so many of those, like when we talk about with the quarterback, when you finish in the top 12 at quarterback, you legit had a good week. You had a good fantasy finish. So many of these 64, like, oh, they finished tight end 10 on the week and they scored, what, seven points, six points? They caught a five-yard touchdown and they're in the top four.

17:28Mike Wright:Yeah, this entire discussion, to me at least personally, is not to make the tight end position seem less exciting or important or fun. I think the tight end position has been incredibly fun for going on three years of rookies making breakout performances from Laporta to Bowers to this year with Loveland and Warren and Fannin. It's exciting and it's fun. It's just to say, let us all make a vow here on the show when we are trying to prove our point to one another and seem right. That if we decide to throw out, he was a top 12 tight end.

17:59Andy Holloway:That will no longer be accepted. It will no longer be accepted.

18:02Mike Wright:And you will have to. I love that. You know.

18:04Jason Moore:You will be shamed. You'll be called out. We're men of honor and we should call each other out on such nonsense.

18:09Mike Wright:Yeah. And we will definitely say it. Oh, for sure. At some point in time when I need. Probably this episode. When I need to prove something to you. Probably this episode. but I'm going to do it on purpose to see if either of you catch me. Okay. We might be too used to it. We have seen 12 personnel sets increase over the last four seasons from 17 to 19 to 20 to 22%, which is.

18:33Andy Holloway:It's how they're changing. It's how they're counteracting the new defensive schemes. I mean, this is what the NFL does is someone figures something out. Tip for tap. Everyone starts copying it because it works incredibly. and then the defenses have to adjust and then we'll eventually find a new meta.

18:52Mike Wright:Total fantasy points scored by the tight end position because of that, in part. Higher than ever before in 2025. Mike, you just shared a ridiculous Trey McBride number. That's who we're going to start with today. By the way, our metrics for great games, when we look at consistency, great games are going to be 15 or more points for the tight end position. Good games, eight or more points, Jason, and then bust games, fewer than five and a half points.

19:14Jason Moore:Yep.

19:16Mike Wright:But we'll start with Trey McBride. Trey McBride is a very good football player. Yes, he is. Number one. Number one in consistency. Number one in the first half. Number one in the second half. The gap between Trey McBride and the rest. Is this the most that you can remember since the great Kelsey years type of situation? Yeah, for sure.

19:36Jason Moore:In part because the number two tight ends got injured this year. You had George Kittle who was fire when he was on the field but wasn't on the field for a lot of it. But he lapped the competition.

19:48Mike Wright:Trey McBride, according to Jared Smola tweet, shout out to Jared, Trey McBride ran 118 more routes than any other tight end last season. That is a bigger gap than the number two and number nine tight end. In routes run. In routes run.

20:08Andy Holloway:Yeah, I really wanted to make sure that that got brought up because the truth about Trey McBride is actually difficult because the truth is he's elite. He is possibly the best pass-catching tight end in the NFL. He's one of the highest paid. He might be the highest paid still. I don't remember. And he dominated. If you had him on your team, he really carried you. But, Jason, like your argument when we're talking about Michael Wilson, you have to – you can't just be like, oh, my gosh, tight end 1-1-3-3. He's like, this dude's just carrying me. 118 more routes because the Arizona Cardinals were throwing the ball on every down.

20:52Andy Holloway:They had no sense, no semblance of a running game. So not that Trey McBride drafted him as the number one tight end next year, but I bet that this is going to put him into the first round, and people are going to be like, I got to get him. It's like the new Kelsey where he outscores. Kyle just shared. He outscored the tight end, too, by more than five points a game. Like, that is a difference maker who is worthy of the first round.

21:19Mike Wright:If you were actually going to get that.

21:20Andy Holloway:But will you get that level of separation again? That seems unlikely.

21:24Mike Wright:Well, double-digit touchdowns, 11 touchdowns on top of the fact that you had those extra routes and targets.

21:29Jason Moore:Not only 11 touchdowns, but if you look at the year prior in 2024, in the red zone, Trey McBride had 21 targets. 21 targets. It turned into one touchdown. These are Murray targets. They were Murray targets, but this year, 33 turned into 11 touchdowns. This is like there is some meat in the middle that's going to come, and we don't know who the quarterback is. Higgins? Elijah? Oh, meat. Oh, meat. It's a meat joke, Jay. You love it. I missed it. It was so good. But to just illustrate kind of the passing volume, When Jacoby Brissett came in, the defense was decimated, and they threw the ball basically every play.

22:16Jason Moore:Jacoby Brissett in his starts was on pace for 700 passing attempts. That's not happening. That would be over 41 passing attempts a game on average. If you look at super offensive teams, the Rams this year, 35 passing attempts on average. Detroit, 34. more like that it's going to come down the routes run will come down the touchdowns will come down

22:41Mike Wright:well you don't break all-time records it was the most routes for a title of all time and it's all time record for targets all-time record for reception so he broke a bunch of records but he's really really good yes and um even when those numbers come down the pure volume numbers he still has enough to stand alone as the number one again next year sure it's just your draft cost i mean 41 great games is insane 41 of the time 15 or more points 88 good games that's insane and it wasn't only against bad defenses the cardinals played all sorts of teams obviously and he had the same production against all of them so he had he does stand alone another point would be that marvin missed a lot of time in the back half of the season on top of it a lot went

23:26Andy Holloway:right for trey mcbride who again i i can't imagine he's not my number one tight end going into next season but he's not a first rounder but to draft him in the first round so much has to go right

23:39Mike Wright:he is it is one of those because of what we talked about the tight end position is it's an advantage that is marked every week between you and your opponent because it's not just the gap between him and the other tight ends it's also just like the difference maker on a regular basis for your team to know that you have the guaranteed production coming there to take chances on higher end players at other positions. There are, I mean, we've seen it. There are a lot of advantages when the Gronkowskis dominate, when the Kelsies dominate, and you've got them on your team. And at the end of the day, regardless of those numbers, when an Arizona quarterback of any kind, whether it's Malik Willis, whether it's Cousins or Rodgers or Kyler's back, when they drop back to pass, the best decision that they can make is Trey McBride over Michael Wilson or Marvin Harrison Jr.

24:25Mike Wright:But there will be more balance. There will be more balance to an offense that finally gets a running back into the backfield.

24:30Jason Moore:It feels like in the second round is where he should belong, whether or not he ends there. Because even if he doesn't lap the field like this here, you know you're not whiffing on a pick. He's not going to bust. Anybody can get injured, but he's not going to. You know, running backs and wide receivers, I think, are easy to just have a bad year where, you know, Saquon's, you know, not great for the pick. Justin Jefferson's quarterback play is bad or whatever. But Trey McBride, at that position, he doesn't even have to be as good as he was this last year to be a very good pick.

25:06Mike Wright:It's so early. I will be so curious to see where he goes because I think questions like Jefferson versus McBride are going to be the question. Or neighbors. And those players. And I don't think very many of us are actually going to pick that wide receiver chance. No, I wouldn't. I know. Yeah, that'll be crazy. All right. He stands alone atop the tight end position. So we will. You can't wait to hear who number two was. So we will take a break and reveal number two. I didn't realize it until just now.

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26:48Yeah.

26:50Andy Holloway:Yeah, we did it. Guys, we did it. It's Kyle. Year five breakout.

26:54Mike Wright:It's Kyle Pitts. Now, this is what a truth episode is. Year five, couple week breakout.

27:00Jason Moore:Tied in two. Young. Stud. Free agent on the open market. Drafted top ten in the NFL. He's going to finish number two. And he does.

27:11Mike Wright:This is why we do truth episodes. Because Kyle Pitts came in at number two. But his consistency rank was seven. And it was 11 and 10 for the first and second half. he had a really nice week 15.

27:24Jason Moore:He had so many points that week in fact he had the most points of any tight end in the history of fantasy football in a single week and that really skews his season-long ranking I think if even even skewing his season-long ranking I think it's important to look at points per game which are equally skewed by that single game but points per game add back in the other guys that were injured that might not be in this list in order like Tucker Craft, George Kittle, Brock Bowers. They were better. They just didn't finish number two because they lost games.

27:59Mike Wright:Yeah, Pitts, what do you think happens? I think he gets a bag.

28:04Andy Holloway:I think he gets a big bag of money.

28:06Mike Wright:Does that make him a focal point on a new roster?

28:09Jason Moore:Yes, probably. I don't think someone's going to bring him in and pay him a lot of money unless they're saying that they have a plan to integrate him into an offense. this is an exceptionally weak free agent class for wide receivers. And I think if you're a general manager and you're saying, we need a wide receiver too, that's the type of team. And that's what actually excites me about him going to the free agent market is the fact that – He could still get franchised. Sure, he could be franchised. I can't imagine they don't. He could also sign back with the Falcons. That's a team that needs a wide receiver too if he's gone.

28:43Mike Wright:I was going to say, they're a team that I can't imagine you want to put Michael Pinnock's in a position to have less or have fewer weapons right than he had last year

28:52Jason Moore:but uh I mean he's he's gonna he will be an important passing option for whatever team he lands on however he was an important passing option on the team he was currently on and you He was okay at best.

29:10Andy Holloway:He was good when Drake London was gone. So week one, he had 9.4 points. Week four was a good week. That was 15. But then the other games that are good are Drake London was out. Week eight, guess who showed up again? Kyle Pitts. Then weeks 12 through 15, that was Kyle Pitts time. Now week 16 was also good against Arizona, but I mean that's Drake London's first game back after the the injury he is he is terrifying for

29:45Mike Wright:fantasy football uh always always has been always will be and I think that this you can make the

29:51Andy Holloway:argument for him yes that's the problem you can Kyle Pitts until he turns 30 you're gonna make some some argument for him we can all be talked back into Kyle Pitts after this season did you

30:01Mike Wright:know because he's only 25 that's always the reason that an 11 uh 11 years his senior travis kelsey

30:08Andy Holloway:was number three yeah the the tight end top 10 is pretty weird you think people are turning the

30:15Mike Wright:show off i think they're just no way man they're just waiting quick look at this shirt yeah avoid

30:23Jason Moore:your eyes oh my goodness hey family show yeah come on don't take your clothes off man goodness It's just his jacket.

31:00Mike Wright:Kelsey at three is shocking. I've been dropping weight like Bitcoin's dropping value. Yeah, that's true. It's good and bad. Kelsey's 36 years old, somehow number three. Seventh in consistency in the first half, 14th in the second half, eighth overall. 18 % great games is your number three overall tight end. Did I give those numbers for Kyle Pitts? 18 % great games for Kyle Pitts. So just look at that. 44 % from McBride to 18 % for the next man up. 53 % good games for both Kelsey and Pitts. you know, it was a stabilized, he was a stabilizing tight end for your team. You could put them out there and know that you're going to get production when you have 850 yards receiving and, you know, probably lower than expected numbers at, in terms of touchdowns.

31:47Mike Wright:I mean, the career is winding down for Travis Kelsey. Do I think he's going to come back? I actually do. I think he'll probably be back for another year. He's got a little farve in him.

31:57Jason Moore:Yeah, he might. I, at the, at the end of the season, the way that he was speaking about the Mahomes injury, it felt like he wasn't going to come back. Right now, the vibes seem like it's certainly at least 50-50. Do I want him to come back?

32:10Mike Wright:Do you want the year of dealing with Kelsey decision-making?

32:13Jason Moore:I do not want him to come back. I think that the opportunity for other pass catchers there would be great if he walks away. And I don't know if he'll be playing at 36 this coming season. I still won't be confident in playing him. I know he's the tight end three, but it's very similar to Kyle Pitts. He played 17 games. You'd rather have. He accumulated more. I'd rather have a ton of guys. If Travis Kelsey is back next year, he'll probably be around my tight end nine or ten, which, hey, that's a tight end one. Hey, hey, hey.

32:52Mike Wright:Get the water bottle out. No, but what I was actually going to say is you'd rather have the conversation about who's going to be the next man up for Mahomes than saying where does Kelsey fit into this puzzle that is still getting figured out.

33:02Andy Holloway:I want, reminder, Patrick Mahomes, Torres left ACL in week 15. Lindsey Vonn wouldn't care.

33:10Mike Wright:Well, did you see Lindsey Vonn working out like on video?

33:14Andy Holloway:With the ruptures.

33:15Mike Wright:She ruptured her entire. And a meniscus. Yes. So either she is. Tell me rupture versus tear. I feel like it means there was an explosion. That's the only thing it can mean. There was some sort of explosion.

33:28Jason Moore:One is like, imagine ripping, right? You rip a piece of paper. Now rupture that piece of paper. Yeah, exactly. You blew it up. You destroyed it with a gust of air that just exploded that paper. That's what happened.

33:42Mike Wright:So her ACL's in thousands of pieces inside her name. Tens of thousands. Tens of thousands. Thank you, Jason. Yeah. And she's going to be in the Olympics, which, by the way, From what I've seen from skiing, and I'm just a layman, I've never really skied, but it seems your knees are involved. Yeah. I do believe they use the knees. Now, if she was one of those straight down, and then you go off the ramp, and you launch for like - Ski jump? A ski jumper. If you did that, I see no ACL being needed because it's a straight line, but it seems like the other skiers really use them.

34:17Jason Moore:Yeah. I'll bet she's used them before.

34:19Mike Wright:Apparently, she's going to give it a go. Go watch the workout video. A week ago, she blew her knee up, and now she's like.

34:26Andy Holloway:That's wild. It's amazing. So for Travis Kelsey, what I want.

34:29Mike Wright:How did we start talking about that?

34:30Andy Holloway:Because I was reminding people that Mahomes tore his ACL in week 15, which timeline means being ready for week one will be sketchy. Now, with the way the NFL works, I would probably expect Mahomes to be there in week one. However, if he's not, whatever week he shows up, I want it to be like they have to hide it. It's a full secret. It's like week three. Hey, Mahomes starts. And then boom. Travis Kelsey just comes out the locker room with Patrick Mahomes.

35:00Mike Wright:They should draft, what is it, Dylan Raiola to be able to be like the placeholder of Mahomes for the first couple weeks. Oh, the guy who emulates everything he does.

35:10Jason Moore:I think he's in college still.

35:11Mike Wright:By the way, my rankings go, right now they go McBride. Then I would go Vaughn. Then I would move Vaughn to like Kittle or something. Dallas Goddard was number four. What is this show? That's what I'm saying.

35:26Jason Moore:To be fair, Dallas Goddard.

35:27Mike Wright:Look at this shirt again. This is more entertaining.

35:31Jason Moore:Yeah. The tight ends. I'm sorry, everyone. Tight ends suck. We really should be doing this in order of points per game because these tight ends had a lot of injuries this year.

35:41Mike Wright:Look at his headshot.

35:43Jason Moore:Oh, man. Dallas Goddard.

35:45Mike Wright:I'm feeling spicy this morning. Listen, if you told me, hey, you want to make a boring show, So you'd be like, let's talk about Goddard, Kelsey, and Pitts.

35:53Jason Moore:Give me turkey leg. That's what it looks like.

35:57Andy Holloway:He is a little Neanderthalic.

35:59Jason Moore:Yeah. Wow. Nice hair.

36:01Mike Wright:This is what we have to talk about a man's physical appearance to make this show compelling. Look at this shirt. I mean, that's a little. We can talk about his 11 touchdowns.

36:08Jason Moore:The whole show started that way, man. That is true. This is a big show.

36:13Mike Wright:Famously. Do you care if I start blitzing these a little bit? Not at all. Dallas Goddard was number four with a consistency of four.

36:20Jason Moore:So you did the job, Dallas. Yeah, he really did. He was good this season on the back of touchdowns, 11 touchdowns, which was a career high for a player who really wasn't known as a touchdown. His career high had been five, and that was in year two, 2019. He hadn't scored five touchdowns since pre-pandemic, and then he comes out with 11. It was never expected. It took too long for fantasy managers to actually accept it. And what's ironic is his stretch of great games where it was just like touchdown every single week, weeks three through eight, we're like, you're not believing that we're in. And then as soon as you get in, he's back from the bye week.

36:59Jason Moore:It sucks for a month. And they're like, ah, we knew it. And then you bench him. And then the next two weeks, he's good again. It's like it was a terrible process. And going into next year, you know, he'll be playing into his 32nd year. We don't know how this offense is going to run. new offensive coordinator i free agent i am not going to free agent is he yeah he's a free agent

37:23Mike Wright:so pitts and goddard i doubt he comes back and he had four more touchdowns than aj brown so that's enough to make you pull your hair out like he clearly has and then goddard had seven previous years of evidence based you know like 11 touchdowns that's just oh and also it was very difficult for

37:43Andy Holloway:goddard he had career lows in yards per route run yards per reception yards after catch per reception uh on eight contested catch opportunities he caught zero of them he just the truth of dallas

37:56Jason Moore:goddard is he got a bunch of touchdowns and if you played him you were happy if you didn't you weren't in those touchdown weeks and he's not that great and he's not going to be great for fantasy

38:04Mike Wright:next year moving on thank you um yeah he's he's a new kyle rudolph season type of situation oh yeah Remember old Kyle Rudolph? I was going to see what his touchdown. But Kyle Rudolph was touchdowns a lot. He never got double digits, actually.

38:20Jason Moore:Well, double digits versus four. I'll bet he had a lot of seasons with more than four. Yeah.

38:27Mike Wright:Six, seven, eight, nine. Okay.

38:31Andy Holloway:Where's the water bottle? We have a spray bottle for this reason. Jason hit the spray bottle. I took it home.

38:37Mike Wright:My children are using it getting ready in the mornings. Here's a good, bad one to talk about, but it's much more fun. Tyler Warren is number five, which is awesome. As a rookie, awesome. Probably, if Daniel Jones doesn't go down. We're talking about him as up there with McBride.

38:53Jason Moore:I think we're talking about him at number two. You're saying next year, would you rather have McBride with his regression?

38:59Mike Wright:Oh, not even close. McBride by a million miles.

39:01Jason Moore:But my point is, as a rookie coming into his second year, if he finished the entire season as he started, we wouldn't – like Loveland right now. Is the darling? Exactly. Yeah. The question feels like, oh, would you rather have Loveland or Tyler Warren? That would never have – even if Loveland did what he did, it would never have been a question if Tyler Warren kept going. It just didn't lose Daniel Jones.

39:28Mike Wright:No, yeah. I was going to say when the Achilles tour for Daniel Jones, it took Tyler Warren's fantasy production with him. last five weeks of the season he was irrelevant didn't help your fantasy playoffs so you're exactly right I mean the perception of Warren right now is like darn you know what I mean it ended that way now he was really good with with Daniel Jones he was he was number eight in consistency so he wasn't McBride level setting the world on fire but you saw the ascension as a rookie and you knew where it could be headed and we thought maybe this would be another season where another rookie tight end could get in a number one spot so to give you

40:01Jason Moore:an example of of how important that injury was we we we look at first half versus second half but if we just look at the entire season because Daniel Jones didn't get injured until week 14 if you look at weeks and that was a long five weeks for I know it was a long was it really week 14 yeah it felt like it was earlier but it wasn't so week 14 he gets injured up until that point weeks one through 13 Tyler Warren would have had the consistency score of tight end four he was basically as as he was a true tight end one for fantasy very good a difference maker if you look at from 14 through 18 he would have had the consistency score of 53 he was i mean 53 what just absurdly irrelevant so it was all the quarterback just a small correction he tore

40:53Mike Wright:He tore it in week 13, not 14. Oh, he missed. So the tear was in. In week 13. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, you know, this is the exciting part for fantasy football is you get up-and-coming tight ends that are 23 years old that obviously have proven that they belong in the league and they can be a primary pass catcher. It's just going to be a quarterback issue for the Colts and Tyler Warren, which is a big deal.

41:19Andy Holloway:They have to figure it out.

41:20Mike Wright:That's why I like Loveland more. It's just because I already know what I. Right. You see the end of the season. I know what I'm getting with Caleb Williams, and Loveland's the best pass catcher there. Now, if Daniel Jones is back, I mean, where does Warren go? Three at the position? Four? I don't know. That's going to be something for us to figure out later this summer.

41:40Andy Holloway:We know that since the year 2000, only four rookie tight ends have caught 70 receptions or more and go for over 800 yards. It's Jeremy Shockey, Sam Laporta, Brock Bowers, and Tyler Warren.

41:52Mike Wright:Yeah, he did everything he could possibly do as a rookie to impress us. He just was a victim of some circumstance over the back half. And still wasn't the best rookie tight end. Well, we'll take a break. We'll talk about another rookie.

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43:10Mike Wright:From Tyler Warren to number six on the list, Harold Fannin Jr., just 21 years old.

43:16Jason Moore:The best rookie tight end.

43:18Mike Wright:Consistency rank of six. Consistency rank of five in the second half. Fannin was 56 % good games, 19 % great. It was done in spite of quarterback carousel situation, right? I mean, we just kind of said Warren had to deal with the change, but Fannin had to deal with bad, bad. Yeah. I mean, Pro Bowler. Two Pro Bowl quarterbacks, actually. Oh, because Flacco? Yeah. Oh, right.

43:51Andy Holloway:Flacco started, so.

43:53Jason Moore:He also had to deal with.

43:56Andy Holloway:Flacco started, so. So it says it all. The end, yeah.

43:59Jason Moore:Two Pro Bowl QBs for Harold Fannin Jr. Look, Harold Fannin Jr. comes in as a.

44:04Andy Holloway:This is what you have done with the Pro Bowl. This is how you have shifted the conversation.

44:10Mike Wright:It's idiocy. I'd be more entertained watching a computer simulation of the best players playing tackle football than I would be with our current Pro Bowl. Yeah. Oh, like just do like a Madden? If you just did a, yes, like a digital on-screen simulation that I could bet on versus the flag football with Shadur and random guys. I mean, just throwing it out there. We have the technology. I could do that in 15 minutes.

44:41Jason Moore:Harold Fannin, 21 and a half years old, was drafted in the third round. Wasn't one of these top 10 picks like Loveland, like Warren. Makes sense. And unlike – oh, that's good. Shout out to the spitballers on Monday. Make sure you tune in for that one. We have a great draft of ice cream. Makes sense. But he got in with bad quarterback play. He also was the backup tight end to start the year. David Njoku was there, and David Njoku got injured in week 14, missed weeks 15 through 18. I think he's an avoided contract year for this upcoming season. So coming to next year, you're trying to build this franchise.

45:27Jason Moore:You're trying to build the Browns. What pieces do I have? Oh, I got Miles Garrett. Great. I don't have a quarterback. I have Harold Fannin. This is a key piece. What are you telling me? You're like, okay, they'll say to themselves, okay, we're paying a lot for Jerry Judy. That's what they're going to say. They're not going to say, oh, good, we can build around Jerry Judy. They're going to build around Harold Fannin. The dude is awesome.

45:48Mike Wright:No, Fannin's incredible. Now, you're going to have question marks around, is it Deshaun Watson at some point? Is it Shadour Sanders? You've got a new head coach in Todd Monkin who we'll see. It's been a long time waiting for him to be a head coach, and he finally got the big job everyone wants. The Browns job. But Fannin was incredible. Fannin is an amazing athlete. He's versatile. He can catch short area targets. He can go compete for contested catches.

46:16Andy Holloway:He makes people miss.

46:18Mike Wright:He is 50, like a 21-year-old.

46:21Jason Moore:He is special. He can outrun guys duck-footed. I mean, that's incredible.

46:25Andy Holloway:14 forced missed tackles. That was second most at the position.

46:29Mike Wright:So, yeah, Fannin is going to be a really interesting. This is where the impossible to answer Loveland, Fannin, Warren, Dynasty question is.

46:39Jason Moore:It is impossible. That's why if I had a Warren or a Loveland, they are way more valued than Fannin. Where you would go get Fannin Plus? Exactly right. That's not a bad move. I would go get Fannin and a pick.

46:51Mike Wright:I don't have a problem with that, actually.

46:53Jason Moore:I think Fannin is as good. To me, he is in the exact same tier as those other two guys as players. That's how I see it. Which, that's fine. If you told me to bet on.

47:03Andy Holloway:Jason, you were the one on this show. I was like, it's the Cleveland Browns. Yeah. It's the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns will always Browns. That's 100 % true. And in spite of that.

47:13Jason Moore:But that's talking about wins and losses. That's not talking about whether or not they'll have fantasy production from a player here or there.

47:19Andy Holloway:But wins and losses, I mean, it's all correlated to your quarterback and screwing up decisions. The three of those guys, that one's easily loved one for me because of stability of quarterback and head coach.

47:32Mike Wright:And you don't have to, to Mike's point, you don't have to watch the Browns if you don't draft any of their players.

47:36Andy Holloway:That is the hardest part of having to. I feel like with Fannin, who's great, he'll be a top. He'll be a tight end one. We'll go that way.

47:46Mike Wright:We don't even get to talk about the real number two tight end yet for a while. Right. That's the season we're having.

47:50Andy Holloway:I think with Harold Fann, there's going to be a lot of chasing the dragon as the Cleveland Browns continue to screw up.

47:56Mike Wright:I'll chase the dragon at the right point.

47:58Jason Moore:We can blitz a lot of these guys that are going to be pretty irrelevant for the draft next year.

48:04Mike Wright:I'm going to say the name. Then you say some stuff about the player, and then we don't talk about him again. That sounds good. I'll take the first one. You take the first one. Hunter Henry, seventh overall, consistency of 14. Go.

48:15Jason Moore:He is a very good veteran tight end for the Patriots, for fantasy football. He will have games with touchdowns next year.

48:25Mike Wright:Mike, number eight is Jake Ferguson. Consistency of nine, really dropped off in the second half. 16th inconsistency in the second half of the season, including a murderous playoff run for fantasy managers. 12 % great, 53 % good, 29 % bust. Go.

48:42Andy Holloway:I will say Ferguson recently signed a four-year extension, and it all comes down to what happens with George Pickens. If it's CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens on this roster, then Ferguson's going to be the guy that you're just waiting on. He's like an insurance running back, or insurance tight end, I guess. If one of those guys misses time, like week two through seven, tight end four, four, five, two, ten, four, and then CeeDee Lamb comes back.

49:10Jason Moore:Yeah, I was going to say, CeeDee Lamb was gone for weeks three, four, five, six. So, yeah, if he's the second option for this offense, he's awesome. If he's the third option for this offense, meh.

49:20Andy Holloway:Between Lamb and Pickens, there's not enough to go around. George Pickens will likely be franchised, but will he be franchise traded? So there's a lot to play out for that.

49:31Mike Wright:Brock Bowers comes in at nine, consistency of five. There we go. We know who Brock Bowers is. He's a dude that missed a ton of games this year. Got banged up. Yeah, he missed five total games, three at a crucial part of the beginning of the season. Then he was pretty dominant. Then they said we would like the first pick, and so he didn't play anymore.

49:54Jason Moore:Remember, he got banged up early, before he left. It was in week one. Yes, so week one he was the tight end one. He was the dog. He was Brock Bowers. We're like, oh man, everyone who picked him first, they were right. They won that game against New England, by the way. Beat New England Patriots. And they have the number one pick. That is super funny. Well, that's because they had a healthy Brock Bowers in part. And again, 15.8 fantasy points and half PPR was awesome. Got hurt. The next three weeks, played through it poorly, kind of stunk, wasn't even a tight end one. And we know how easy it is to be a tight end one.

50:27Jason Moore:And I'm talking about. He's got to be top six. I'm actually talking tight end two then. He wasn't even a tight end two for those next three weeks. Then they rest him. They keep him out until the bye week. Comes back and he's that dude again. So to me, Brock Bowers, if he's drafted significantly behind Trey McBride, that's the better value next year. Defined significant. It'll be around. If I can say – because when you're at the top of the draft.

50:52Mike Wright:It'll be Mendoza, and obviously in Arizona we don't know. Yeah. So if it's McBride-Bowers, which I think we would all agree it is, at the top of the tight end list, regardless of around, just in order, just right now here in the middle of – or the beginning of February, are the other three rookie guys from this year the next three names? They very well might be with Kittle. Is it whatever order of Loveland? I would say it's Loveland.

51:16Andy Holloway:It's probably Loveland-Warren. The Warren quarterback situation, it's a big problem. But then it's like.

51:23Mike Wright:I mean, beyond those names. If Tucker Craft. Yeah, Tucker Craft. Tucker Craft is ready. That's a big one.

51:27Andy Holloway:Because his ACL tear was in week nine. Yeah, that's a big one. So it's possible that he's better. If Tucker Craft is, like the news is all, oh, no, he's in training camp. He will be good to go. I would take Kraft before I take Fain.

51:39Mike Wright:Kittle was 13. I'm just going to talk about a couple other names. Kittle was 13. Third in consistency. Second in the second half. So good. But now it's an Achilles injury and despite being under contract for four more years you're going to see next year mostly deleted. And then you may see another year. Like Kittle might be able to come back and contribute in a meaningful way for the 49ers. The question will be how they've built that team by the time he's back. like part of his greatness this year was an absence of other pass catching options Pearsall banged up all year long you didn't have Iuke so you compound that with the injury and you say hey this team's gonna have to add an offensive group of guys for two years maybe before Kittle's a contributor I mean this sucks so it just sucks it does Jordan I don't think anyone is more

52:33Jason Moore:beloved than George Kittle. He's like, we always get asked the question, and I don't think we ever answer it properly, of like, who would you just want to hang out with from the NFL? It should always be George Kittle. Yeah, George Kittle.

52:46Andy Holloway:You could just be able to shoot from the hip that answer. Yeah, exactly. George Kittle, who? Yeah. I mean, he's on, he's selling pizzas, riding on a deer. He's golfing with that torn Achilles.

52:59Mike Wright:Did you see this? I did not. He's on a golf course, and he's got one of the clubs that has the auto-firing piston inside the end of it, and he's out there. If he's back, let's say week one.

53:12Jason Moore:Let's say they get him back week one. Wait, what? Let's say if he's ready. Wait, who? George Kittle. He rehabs hard in the offseason program.

53:26Mike Wright:For this week one or the next year?

53:28Jason Moore:Next year. Well, this coming year. 2026. 2026. If they say, ah, we think he'll make it because he's got that dog in him. Are you willing to draft him? And at what draft cost? Late, late, late, late round.

53:41Andy Holloway:Late, sure.

53:42Mike Wright:But I, man, that's a.

53:43Andy Holloway:But I'll probably be drafting two tight ends. Yeah.

53:46Mike Wright:So. I feel like that is fairytale level. Yeah, it is. Tucker Craft. Let's not forget Tucker Craft. This is part of the truth episode. He was the number two most consistent tight end in fantasy football this year. It was a full-on breakout campaign. you know you talk about the Packers all the injuries they had it's it's easily arguable that they lost their best offensive weapon and their best defensive player and still you know made the playoffs despite missing those guys everybody has injuries I'm not you know saying anything you don't know it's just Kraft was the difference maker for the offense he's what made Jordan Love more viable on a week-to-week basis you needed him in the mix he had his breakout 32 two-point week eight, and then he goes down the next week.

54:31Mike Wright:So right after the kind of crown gets put on his head as the next great tight end, the ACL gets torn in the world. It was, to me, like the scataboo injury. It felt very similar. It's an emotionally devastating one because he's fun.

54:44Jason Moore:George Kittle was the tight end three on a points per game at 12.1 fantasy points per game. We just espouse how awesome he was. 12.7 points per game for Tucker Craft. He was even better, and this is an injury that more players come back from versus the Achilles for Kittle. He has more time. It happened earlier in the season. Tucker Craft will be in consideration mixed in with those 2025 rookie tight ends.

55:08Mike Wright:Yeah, you'll just have to decide about the ACL and what progress looks like.

55:13Andy Holloway:And the Packers have to make themselves a decision as well. Or Romeo Dobbs, opinions on him are all over, but he's solid. We'll just say Romeo Dobbs is a solid wide receiver. He's an NFL wide receiver. Romeo Dobbs is solid. With a giant helmet. He's not liquid. Thank you. But he's a free agent. So it's like the Packers will have to decide do they compete money-wise to bring him back or where else do they cover those targets? Was that for the liquid? That was really late.

55:50Mike Wright:Dobbs is just bad enough. You can't do that. He's just good enough to want to bring him back to Green Bay, and he's just bad enough to not get a big enough contract elsewhere. He's the perfect guy to re-sign.

56:01Andy Holloway:Romeo Dobbs, he'll get money this year.

56:05Mike Wright:We got to do this.

56:10Jason Moore:Fantasy Face-Off, presented by PrizePix.

56:17Mike Wright:I don't like how eager the Falcon is over there to get me whatever shame I'm about to figure out. He's just doing his job. Yeah. What?

56:27Jason Moore:Wheel of Shame

56:34Andy Holloway:We're spinning the wheel

56:35Mike Wright:Okay, it's already spinning It's spinning She said it's Bob the Loser Bob the Loser Bob the Loser?

56:44Jason Moore:Yeah, he's not a builder He's a loser Bob the Builder Why is this one of Jeremy's shirts? Wow, that is the exact same color. You should go to the deucers cam on. That is literally, did you do this on purpose, Jeremy? I did find it ironic as he talked about the color of my shirt.

57:02Mike Wright:I suck at fantasy. Oh, it says I suck at fantasy. That's true. It's facts. It is a fact. Look at this loser. Dude, I could get some work done. You need those goggles on before the hard hat. Okay, you're right. Yeah.

57:14Jason Moore:Order of operations matter. Process over results. Okay, looking good. Don't forget your toolbox.

57:21Andy Holloway:You got to build. Do I need to go inside the toolbox? I would if I were you. I don't know what's in there, though. Probably tools. Plastic tools.

57:31Mike Wright:This is the dumbest thing you guys have ever done.

57:34Jason Moore:Just a little baby. Why don't you build a lineup for us?

57:38Mike Wright:Let's drill down here. My quarterback is going to be Drake May. This is my Green Goblin. I'm going more than.5 passing touchdowns.

57:47Jason Moore:Okay. I'm going Drake May. I've got two lineups. One is more than.5 passing yards. Oh, yeah, okay. People need to know that that's out there. We're not doing that. My actual Drake May is less than 220 and a half passing yards. I know he was able to get into full practice. He's saying the shoulder's not an issue, but I think this could be a defensive game. However, on the platform right now on PrizePix, you can basically get – oh, no, there's a headlight.

58:16Andy Holloway:You got a work light on that hat.

58:18Jason Moore:I got to put my hat down. There is a gimme for the Super Bowl of Drake May over half a passing yard. So you can basically get a free square.

58:27Andy Holloway:I'm looking through my lineup, guys, realizing. You don't have a quarterback? No, I don't have a Green Goblin. Oh, fantastic. Whoops. Riding a little dirty here. Quarterback, though, I do have Sam Darnold. His projection is 229.5 passing yards. I'm going more. Sam E.D., we're going to believe.

58:45Jason Moore:Super Bowl MVP?

58:46Andy Holloway:I mean, if he hits his projection. Unless, you know, Ken Walker rips off two 50-yard tutties.

58:52Mike Wright:Is it back to me? Yes, sir. Let's keep building this lineup. You heard me talk about it last week. The Christian Gonzalez-JSN matchup is going to be one of the more interesting ones for the Super Bowl. I'm going to take Cooper Cup making his contributions as I blast Mike with my work light here. 32.5 receiving yards. I'm taking the more. You need me to turn this off, Mike?

59:11Jason Moore:You're doing that as essentially you think JSN will have a difficult time with Christian Gonzalez.

59:17Mike Wright:I just think that there will be opportunities for other receivers, and Cup has been stepping up in recent weeks anyways. So 32.5 seems like something you can get. Well, we had a similar thought process.

59:28Jason Moore:I have JSN 91.5 receiving yards. I'm going less with the Christian Gonzalez coverage.

59:35Andy Holloway:I have Mr. Stefan Diggs. His projection is at 4.5. realizing I should have taken the Green Goblin at three and a half. But here we are. It's too late. Four and a half receptions. I'm taking them more. Who was that? For Stephon Diggs.

59:51Mike Wright:All right. I'm going to go. You do all your measuring. A.J. Barner, 22 and a half. Hey, measure twice. Cut once. Receiving yards, I'm taking less. A.J. Barner is not going to be near.

1:00:02Andy Holloway:Dude, your measuring tape got you the.

1:00:04Mike Wright:Yeah, got me the answer. Okay. Let me just wrap this up.

1:00:07Jason Moore:Nice. I'm going to go It doesn't even have a crank That's funny My My tight end is Hunter Henry Oh His projection is Five receiving targets And I'm going less than that I think that line was interesting That it wasn't a half I don't see him getting to six He hasn't gotten to six in a long time

1:00:33Andy Holloway:I went with Hunter Henry But we're going band-aid seven and a half yards on first reception. We're going less. Whoa. That comes with a utility knife?

1:00:44Jason Moore:And a saw? All right. Saw out your running back. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The people hated that one. Yeah. I did too.

1:00:58Mike Wright:I'm staying with the people. You guys know how I'm going to roll. You probably see what I saw. What? Ramondre Stevenson, 50 and a half rushing yards. I'm taking them more. Oh. He is also, for those out there that care, he would be my first touchdown pick. Okay.

1:01:16Jason Moore:I will say you forgot what year it is because Ramondre is not Mike's dude. Right. Travion is Mike's dude. And the other Mike's dude to finish out Mike's year at the Super Bowl is Ken Bone Walker. who is in my lineup. I have him receiving targets. Three and a half. More than that. With Charbonne out,

1:01:42Andy Holloway:he's going to have at least four targets. As Andy goes through the construction. Kenneth Walker, his projection is at 74 and a half rushing yards. I thought that was... That's a little bit too high for how much... Wait, are you betting against yourself? I'm just in rushing yards. Oh my goodness. Just in rushing yards. Less than 74 and a half rushing yards.

1:02:02Mike Wright:I feel like you guys are getting punished by me. All right. It's going to be fun this weekend. That was Fantasy Face Off presented by Price Picks. Check out special max discounts for the big game like Drake May needing one passing yard to win. Use code footballers and get$50 in lineups when you play$5.

1:02:24Mike Wright:Al, we are twins. That's right. Dressing alike today. And enjoy the weekend, everybody. Have a good time. Enjoy the game. Stay safe. Ultimate DraftKid Sunday. Goodbye.

1:02:38Jason Moore:Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter at the FFBallers.

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1:03:48Andy Holloway:Story.