Fantasy Football - Top 10 WR Rankings + What Could Go Wrong? - Podcast for 8/7

14:47Andy Holloway:Going to need some practice here, Justin.

14:50Mike Wright:Yeah, we got some time. We'll talk about him on today's show. I don't like seeing this. Malik Nabar is not at practice once again with the toe situation. They came out and basically said it's part of the process that he has to follow. This toe injury has followed him for years. Forever, right? Yeah, it's going back to LSU.

15:12Andy Holloway:Just saw it off. Yeah, Malik. Just. You got to do what you got to do. Just get that. You know, like you got the loose tooth. I don't know if you can do that with a toe. Sometimes you feel the tooth. You know, the kid asks, like, Dad, is my tooth ready? You go. I can make it ready. I can get it out of there. It's going to hurt, but maybe that's the answer. Maybe the toe's not ready. It just depends on which toe.

15:34Mike Wright:Not a doctor, but.

15:35Andy Holloway:Yeah, it may not be ready to come off right now, but in the long run, eventually it's going to come off. Eventually it's coming off.

15:42Jason Moore:It's falling off. Yeah. I mean, he played with this all last year.

15:47Mike Wright:Hey, you're giving me tooth PTSD over here.

15:49Jason Moore:It's not something you want to see. You'd hope that he's healthy, but this scares me not a lot, to be honest. simply because he's managed it. The fact that he's not practicing right now and it's part of the process just means they're aware of it. I want them to not overwork him right now this time. I want him to be overworked in real NFL season games, not right now. Didn't it bother him during the season last year? Yeah.

16:16Andy Holloway:I'm telling you. One good, you know, put dental floss on there. I don't know if it works that way. It works the same way if the dental floss is tight enough. yeah then yeah just real tight leave it on there for a couple days yeah we don't need

16:32Mike Wright:right we don't need matthew betts at all we got this medical stuff handled he'd probably say it's a bad idea kolkomet back practicing for the bears jaden reed not practicing on thursday marshall lloyd doing rehab work the only kind of work he does third on the depth chart by the way

16:49Andy Holloway:behind um dude wilson the the lloyd career is so frustrating and sad for him right now and

16:56Mike Wright:And are we mentioning the Brees Hall, the time will tell tweet? We just did.

17:00Jason Moore:You just literally mentioned it. There's nothing else other than that. That was the entirety of it. He tweeted, time will tell. It was.

17:14Andy Holloway:Yes, it will, Brees. It's a very passive-aggressive tweet from Brees Hall. Generally, this type of tweet, per the rules of Danny Carter, this is a wide receiver tweet. I don't know what Breesaw is doing.

17:27Mike Wright:Well, he's been more of a wide receiver than a running back. Okay, maybe that's it. Lately anyway, so he can tweet how he wants.

17:32Jason Moore:I think he's very frustrated with what his workload is going to be. He is, in my opinion, being overdrafted right now. It seems like it's going to be a very big committee. When you're saying time will tell, he first comes out and says, I'm not their guy. He literally said this at a press conference. He said, I'm not their guy. He didn't draft me.

17:49Andy Holloway:He could follow it up with, like, so I know I need to prove it. Sure, yeah.

17:52Jason Moore:But, I mean, he's feeling that. If you're willing to sit there and say, like, hey, I need to prove it. I'm not their guy. They didn't draft me. And then you come out and you're like, time will tell. What's the timeline he's thinking here? Is this, like, my next contract you're going to see I'm really good?

18:06Mike Wright:I think this is, yeah, this is, like, the rest of this year is an opportunity to prove himself and get out of town. I mean, even before those comments, Jay, he was, you know, he kept saying, I look at myself as a three-down back. I don't know how the team sees me. I look at myself this way. And like you said, the frustration of like, hey, you know, maybe my role is committee back on this team.

18:29Andy Holloway:So how are we feeling about a 13th round Braylon Allen? Great. I feel great. I think I got to pump him up. Got Dynasty rejected on a trade for him yesterday. I just did a startup over the past couple days and got Braylon Allen in like, I don't know, the 16th or something. Like people are not.

18:49Mike Wright:You want Braylon Allen or Ramondre Stevenson in a Dynasty?

18:51Andy Holloway:Oh, Braylon Allen. Oh, man. That's gross. One of those guys is for sure not very good and fumbles all the time. The other one is 21. Ramondre Stevenson is not a bad football player. Ramondre Stevenson is also under contract.

19:09Jason Moore:I'm pretty sure he's under contract where this year and next year he's pretty much going to be part of their offense, and this could be an offense with the Patriots if Drake May is that dude that could actually be good, whereas the Jets' offense probably won't be. So I don't know. I think it's closer than you think, just because obviously Braylon Allen's younger. Ramondre next year is a 3.2 dead. I'm pretty sure. I'm looking at the Ramondre game log.

19:35Mike Wright:When he played any significant amount of snaps, he had like four out of five weeks in the top nine at the position last year to start the year. I mean, you're not wrong about any of the stuff about protecting the football, but there was a reason he got like paid a bunch of money. He had a really great top 12 season. I think it's a really good question between those two.

19:57Jason Moore:I think he has some photographs. Oh, my gosh. I think this is because of your Travion Henderson. Yeah, it is. You're speaking.

20:05Mike Wright:Well, no, it's two years in a row because last year was all about Antonio Gibson, so Ramondre sucks. This year it's Travion, so Ramondre sucks. He stands in the way. It's why he hates Zach Ertz. He stands in the way of Ben Sennett.

20:17Jason Moore:Was Ramondre one of the players that lost weight? I think so. Okay. Because some players, that's really important. Yes.

20:26Andy Holloway:He's one of them. In his career, it has been an issue.

20:29Jason Moore:Yeah. That's like Eddie Lacy, you know. He didn't do it.

20:32Mike Wright:I think Brees Hall is such a terrible pick in fantasy. Yeah, for where he's going right now. For where he's going. Yeah, absolutely. We constantly, like his name comes up all the time around other players in the third round, and I'm just like, no, I would not do that. Right. I mean, he's going ahead of Hampton, right? Yes, he is. Yeah, I mean, no thanks.

20:50Andy Holloway:When the real drafts are happening, I can't imagine that happens.

20:54Jason Moore:Well. Yeah. Unfortunately, we'll steam Hampton up. Will we?

20:59Mike Wright:That was today's. Yeah, I think so. That was today's news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers. Not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions. we'll go ahead and take a break and we'll get into our top 10 wide receiver countdown unless you have something you're stopping me from talking i'm stopping you from talking because i'm just

21:23Jason Moore:proud of us as uh as a whole as okay all fantasy community breeze hall is now going behind kyron and chase brown which for the longest time he was being drafted ahead of those two guys it sucks to be proud of everyone but also to not be able to take advantage of foolish decisions like I wish Brees Hall was still going ahead of those guys he was going ahead of them yeah oh wow yeah that that doesn't make sense all right we'll take a break be back in a minute

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24:04Mike Wright:All right, it's time to talk top 10 wideouts.

24:11Mike Wright:Wide receivers. On yesterday's show, we counted it down from number 20 in our consensus wide receiver rankings down to 11. today we'll get down to number one and we'll start with uh number 10 oh wait i got one of these number 10 thank you drake london please say the number before every time you hit the drop oh that'd be good huh that'd be good drake london coming in at number 10 number nine and number nine for me and jason mike's got him at 11 was the wide receiver six last year you know this this This is a bet on Michael Penix Jr. being competent, which I think is fine. We had a very, very small sample size of them playing together last year.

25:01Mike Wright:It was very good for Drake London. But it's also target consolidation in the offense. Drake London is going to be the show. He's their wide receiver. And he deserves to be. One and number two probably. What is a bet against Drake London? It's a bet on Kyle Pitts. What's a bet against Drake London? it's a bet on Ray Ray McLeod I mean a bet against Michael Penix but yeah I still think I mean our bar of of success there it's like if Justin Fields was the quarterback of Atlanta do you feel good about Drake London yeah okay I mean that's as low as it gets on the quarterback

25:41Jason Moore:meter no I agree this is really just a target play he had 157 targets last year and if you look at the very small sample size but the three games with Michael Penix eight targets 13 targets 18 targets he's not afraid that I don't know how great he is afraid he's afraid of throwing at anyone else right he's not afraid at just hyper targeting his wide receiver one it's probably what has to happen this team is not projected to be a 10-win team you know they're going to be throwing the ball a lot and Drake London is he's entering his prime he's 24 years old he looked like an alpha last year uh he was already i mean last year he was the wide receiver six in fantasy he's being drafted behind that his situation is hopefully better i mean he did have kirk cousins for the majority of the year so that could be if you have the big negative change if you have to

26:32Mike Wright:pick a type of wide receiver an archetype to be more conducive to a quarterback change or somebody acclimating you pick the bigger body contested catch receivers they're the ones that make it a lot easier on quarterbacks i mean you got that from deandre hopkins when he had a whole hodgepodge in houston brandon marshall was like that when he switched teams to me it's just i mean that's a bigger catch radius that's a bigger opportunity and nobody was targeting i guess puka but other than puka nobody else was targeted on a higher percentage of his man coverage routes he wins in man coverage and he's bigger stronger faster than the other guys can he finish top three

27:14Jason Moore:um yes it would take michael pennix being worthy of where he was picked in last year's nfl draft or the previous season top three i really was hoping you'd say five because i might get in the top i might get in on five easy yeah because he was six last year that's a good point i i do think he could be four i don't know i i you know do do we anticipate him next year being in that conversation with the elite of the elites now. Right. Presumably that will be because he's not going to have double digit touchdowns. That's all that needs to change. His targets will be there. His receptions will be there and his yards will be there.

27:51Jason Moore:So if he ends up with 10 touchdowns, he'll be drafted, you know, in the top six, seven picks in fantasy next year. I don't think he's being drafted currently at his ceiling, which is great. And that's hard to find when you're

28:03Mike Wright:in those first few rounds he also was a one of those players when you you know we did the um the truth series he only had six percent of his games be great games right he finished at six through stat accumulation over the year but he only had two weekly finishes at or above that number he was much more consistent it would be nice to see those boom games maybe michael penix jr uh can air it out we we went through the whole kirk cousins experience experience last year So, yeah, it's a player that I think is very safe for fantasy.

28:42Andy Holloway:You know, I'm whatever. I'm two ranking spots behind. But I think his ADP is fine.

28:50Mike Wright:All right, moving on. Number nine. Look at that. I remember to push the button. I'm a little disappointed. I didn't know what number we're on if I had just said it. A.J. Brown comes in at number nine. He's one of my more surprising rankings. I got him up at seven. You guys both have him at 10. I think he's missing a little time right now. He pivoted off the field. Devontae Smith's back on the field with, I think, a hamstring. Last year was a disappointment. I mean, he had finished as the wide receiver seven in Philly in 2023, wide receiver five in Philly in 2022.

29:29Andy Holloway:It was a disappointment because the Eagles were too freaking good.

29:31Mike Wright:And I guess I was going to point out they were too freaking good, but he also missed time. Points per game-wise, he was the same guy. I mean, he was.2 points per game better than in 2023, despite the fact that they depended on Saquon Barkley so much, and they didn't throw it that much. So to me, I'm just so confident that A.J. Brown is primed for a bounce back, and you finally get him a value that is probably the floor to me, a wide receiver 10 in the second round. So I feel really good about him.

29:59Jason Moore:Yeah, he's interesting because how good the Eagles' defense is, how good their offensive line and running game are, it's one of those situations where A.J. Brown could be way better than what he did last year. But he could also just be not that needed, not very consistent, have games where, oh, Devontae Smith had his game this game, and they didn't need much more in the second half, and so A.J. Brown done it. So when you compare him and Drake London, and I will say this, since this is the top 10 show, there is a massive break to me. I don't know if you guys have the exact same top 10 guys, but to me there are 10 great wide receivers that I'm happy with as even my wide receiver one.

30:42Jason Moore:And then it's a huge break to the next guy. T. Higgins, I think, finished our previous episode. That's like a big tear break for me between Drake London and A.J. Brown. But I think I would rather have Drake London over A.J. Brown for just volume, for consistency, for hopeful step up.

31:04Mike Wright:I'm on the A.J. Brown side. Again, he was – A.J. Brown's a better wide receiver. I feel like last year was as bad as it can get from a passing percentage standpoint, and the defense was so good, and Saquon, and he was still better points per game than his wide receiver seven years. So I lean the Brown side. I think both are great picks. If they're close, does the hamstring issue even come into your mind? Not right now. It might. It might later.

31:30Jason Moore:Yeah, if he's still.

31:31Mike Wright:Ask me later. Mike, where do you stand on A.J.

31:35Andy Holloway:Brown and maybe the. I'm more on your side, Andy. I think A.J. Brown is. I'm really happy with him as my wide receiver one. Projecting the Eagles defense. If you look around, many places are going to list them as, Yeah, they're going to be the best defense more than likely in football. But part of being the best defense also includes being the luckiest in terms of injuries. They just happen. And one key injury changes everything for how a defense functions. And all of a sudden, they can be more exploitative. Now the offense has to kick it into gear. So while there is a chance that they just dominate yet again, I'm still good with A.J.

32:20Andy Holloway:Brown. because he was so dominant. And he just was, he basically took second halves off.

32:26Mike Wright:Last year, just for, I think this is kind of interesting to look at when we talk through the top 10. Last year, A.J. Brown was the wide receiver 6 off the board, and Drake London was the wide receiver 11 off the board, going into the 2024 season. This year, London is being drafted as the wide receiver 9. A.J. Brown is the wide receiver 10 on sleeper. But both of them true alphas. at eight it's brian thomas jr he finished as wide receiver number eight or there it is there it is oh man oh man hosting is hard you know what it was it was yesterday i actually went looking for numbers and then i remember we don't got like we don't got the budget for numbers 20 19 18 right well come on anything above 10 we can't afford that so i got really used to just cruising and uh thank you al for i got you for taking care of that that's gonna happen more and more the rest of this show uh i was talking about brian thomas jr uh you know he's not even 23 years old it was an incredible rookie season i i am the lowest of the three of us uh i don't know why exactly i mean i i it's how the stats ended up right like part of the process if you're new to the show if you're coming back for you know the first time in a while we talk about this we go out we project players and sometimes the stats surprise you and players end up differently than where you thought they'd be or where you would have wanted them to be in terms of the rankings and that's why we have risk ratings and upside ratings because players have to go in a certain order but you know when you're drafting maybe you're looking for an upside player because you got a safe player maybe you're looking for a risk aversion because you've got a risky player already so those things have to differentiate for you for some reason uh when i when i looked at jacksonville i just didn't get to where he finished last year um he was very very productive in a time when trevor lawrence wasn't on the field in a time when kirk and ingram were not available for them i don't well i'm not trying to overemphasize that i think travis hunter is going to play a ton of offensive snaps i think the latest number from liam cohen that he you know kind of threw out there to rich eisen was 80 percent of the offensive snaps I mean Brian Thomas is an alpha Brian Thomas is dominant Liam Cohen somebody that you should be able to trust yeah I just thought he really like it it has happened before that rookie season is kind of like the peak the or the biggest you know your kind of most boom season and 10 touchdowns it's a lot when I'm looking at Brian Thomas you know

35:04Andy Holloway:I think there's a couple narratives of which direction are you going to go with him as a player not not on the field like watch him play he he's that dude but the you know like the couple guys being missing at the end of the year I don't want to almond raw this situation of when you see talent truly on the field but I think Andy where where your feelings can really come into play is the first you know the first nine weeks that's Trevor Lawrence and in that time Brian Thomas is good like he was he were all like massively outplayed his ADP you know he gave you three top 10 games in that time but it's a 20 % target share in that time with Trevor Lawrence and then Mac Jones comes in and it goes up to 32 this is not a oh hey Mac Jones is just was feeding the number one guy a little bit more than Trevor Lawrence that is a substantial difference between the two of them so will it mac jones figured out how to look like a good quarterback yeah

36:08Jason Moore:it just throw to brian thomas exactly so can trevor lawrence actually look like a good quarterback trevor lawrence is the only issue that i have here with brian thomas jr but i i don't think trevor lawrence is so bad as a quarterback that he can't support brian thomas being a true alpha he was a late transition to wide receiver in his nfl career that was like why you know he only had one big breakout year in college and people were worried you know does he have the skills when you watched this guy last year this sometimes we just forget how good he was he was great at the line of scrimmage the screen game unbelievable middle of the field just outstanding so much separation deep bombs like all three levels of the field he was awesome and red zone yeah so i feel like this is a young guy obviously maybe he maybe the wide receiver four finish with double-digit touchdowns as a rookie maybe that's the highest he ever finishes regardless he finished as the wide receiver four as a rookie they did get rid of christian kurt i don't want to take anything away from him i would just i would say that i just didn't end up as high as i thought he would of the top 10 wide receivers who are the 10 we're talking about today in my personal rankings he is the scariest like the the i could see how it goes wrong if trevor lawrence isn't that great or if travis hunter really eats into it but i'm not going to overthink a young unbelievably talented wide receiver who just looked special on on every row on every play

37:35Mike Wright:watching him and neighbors play last year was amazing speaking of which number seven got it malik neighbors comes in at number seven which is where he finished last year and just 15 games played he was the entire giants passing offense 170 targets despite missing the two games the Previous rookie record was 147. So it was like from the jump, we're just going to throw it to that guy

38:00Jason Moore:on every single play. And I'm very confident Malik Nabors was disappointed that he only had 170 targets.

38:06Mike Wright:I guess I'd be curious where you guys have him projected target-wise, not percentage but totals, for 2025. Let's pull that up. So he was at 170 last year. I've got him at 168 this year. Really?

38:23Andy Holloway:I have him at 168 targets this year. I still got him more. I got him 176. Because he did that in, what, 15 games? Correct.

38:32Mike Wright:So, again, this is a very similar situation to Brian Thomas. A little bit of trepidation around quarterback, offense, performance, but trying not to overthink the skill and the talent and the fact that this was one of the most dominant rookie performances in history. he was out out wide 73 of the time 27 of the time in the slot we like that we like my like a split you got to move it around yeah it'll move move your star around give them opportunities cardinals please please give the ball to marvin uh the giants were trailing or tied on 90 of every route that malik neighbors ran that's nice that seems i i do i brought it up i do think that Like if the season goes well for the Giants, it's on the back of a defense that is playing really well in a running game that can slow down the pace of play.

39:26Mike Wright:So that would be my only – and do we get Russ for a while, Winston for a while, Dart for a while? Those things are really subject to team record a lot of the times, right? Like how are you playing? They have a brutal start to the season.

39:40Andy Holloway:Yeah, to remind everyone, we open on the road against Washington. then on the road against Dallas. Both on the road.

39:48Mike Wright:Very nice.

39:48Andy Holloway:Then Kansas City and then the Chargers. I mean, perhaps Dallas is as stinky, Andy, as you feel like they could be, but this is looking very much like an 0-4 start for the Giants.

40:03Mike Wright:Yeah, they're... Bring me, Jameis. Yeah, maybe they win the Dallas game. Their defense is very good. Their front four is very good.

40:14Jason Moore:Oh, if they're 0-4, Jameis, week five, at New Orleans, revenge game. Oh, baby.

40:22Mike Wright:Jason, you might as well get a Jameis tattoo the way you love that guy. You haven't seen my back. Thank goodness for that. So, yeah, it's a tough schedule. It'd be hard not to think a quarterback change could happen at some point in the first six, eight weeks of the season. I mean, heck, you could have a head coaching change if it went wrong. But again, I think they're building this team to be a dominant defense.

40:45Jason Moore:I don't see how he fails barring injury. The toe is a concern. I think if the Giants surprise and are better, then he got more touchdowns than we expect, maybe not quite the volume. If they have to keep up with losing games, he's going to be a target share. He's going to be approaching 200 targets. there's no one else to throw the ball to. Can he finish top three? Absolutely.

41:12Mike Wright:Can he finish number one? I doubt it. No.

41:17Jason Moore:Number six.

41:18Mike Wright:Nico Collins comes in at number six. Last year it was tough in Houston with C.J. Stroud kind of regressing a little bit, the team having injuries. Nico missed five games. But if you look at that breakout campaign in 2023 and you look at last year, it's the same Nico Collins. Same points per game. and torching guys on a regular basis. Had some big plays called back, I remember. Yep. And he was on fire. 19 fancy points a game through the first month last year. You know, Nico's that dude. I mean, he's a bona fide number one. Nico could finish as the wide receiver one. I think he could finish number one, absolutely.

41:59Jason Moore:It's just a quarterback issue for Malik Nabors. In order to be the one, you have to usually lap the field. You're a couple points higher. the touchdowns came and they could come here with cj stroud yeah and you don't have digs you don't

42:11Mike Wright:have tank dell uh right now the depth chart shows jaden higgins is the wide receiver too as a starter who we like as a sleeper we do but i i think you know it's very obvious that like nico is that dude for this team and and he's being drafted right in between malik neighbors and brian thomas right now like in on sleeper so you know you you got to look at him as a you know wide receiver seven feels fine as a draft price to me we all got him a spot or two higher yeah mike you've got him the highest yeah i just i love me some nico collins you know

42:46Andy Holloway:he the dig route seems just unstoppable you know i mean he is he's on this archetype of it of later breakout than than mike evans evans was immediate but it's like they remind me of play style of each other obviously nico i'm talking about the younger version of mike evans and uh so he if if things are rolling he can be in a truly unstoppable force and he will be force-fed targets i think the christian kirk being on this team is that it it's it's good it's good for the houston texans christian kirk is a valuable wide receiver he may we may be past the the times of kirk bringing us fantasy relevance but he certainly helps Houston, which is going to help our guy Nico get those touchdowns.

43:34Mike Wright:All right, we will take a quick break here, and then we will count down our top five.

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46:22Mike Wright:All right, one of the best ways to count down the top five is by saying the number. Number five. And there it is, number five, Amon Ross St. Brown. You get to these top tier guys, there's not a lot to say about them. unless you want to listen to a show where guys just say these guys he plays good football but Amon Ra Mike I mean I guess one of the surprises is you have him uh at eight buried

46:49Andy Holloway:yeah he is truly fluctuating around uh my rankings right now he it just like you for Andy for for Brian Thomas like man I gave Amon Ra the numbers and he just ended up a little bit lower than than I wanted to but Amon Ra is a dog he ever things have improved for him pretty much every year you know when he started out he was a slot merchant and that the the percentage of slot routes and fully out wide like that number just keeps getting more and more balanced the we talked about Jamison Williams of what could go wrong for him and it's all the defense is really healthy this year where they weren't over the second half so that's where let me ask you this

47:35Mike Wright:that's where i am uh laporta obviously double digit touchdowns as a rookie jamison williams you talked about him yesterday i like him as a breakout you got two talented you know running backs one that's basically a wide receiver do you look at do you see this offense like if jamison williams had a breakout season does it come at yes the cost of almond raw in any regard i believe so

47:57Jason Moore:It definitely would because Jamison Williams' type of a breakout season are drive-enders. You know what I mean? Those are he has a 60-yard touchdown, he has a 50-yard touchdown, a handful of games.

48:12Mike Wright:He has a 70-yard touchdown. Yeah, I could do this forever.

48:16Jason Moore:But those are drive-enders. They put the team up, and with their running game and their two running backs, that would definitely come at the expense. You're not going to have Amon Ra be the wide receiver three for the third year in a row while Jamison Williams has a breakout. I don't think that would be true.

48:33Mike Wright:One thing that has been wonderful about Mr. Amon Ross St. Brown, 6 % bus rate, which was tied for the best among all wide receivers. You put him out there, you get production, you can feel really safe, he moves the chains, the offense is good. You feel so safe.

48:50Jason Moore:He's 70 % of his games at half PPR over the 10.5-point threshold. he's just as reliable as it comes when you're talking about a guy who is going to catch over 100 passes almost guaranteed there's really no risk here and now around the red zone his red zone usage has been great back-to-back double-digit touchdown years he's just you know can he be the

49:11Mike Wright:wide receiver one i don't think so probably not and it feels like people have been slow to accept him as a as their one on a fantasy team i think that's happened year over year like he he has been that guy he's been completely worthy of it but but every step of the way even his draft capital for the the nfl it's like we're gonna doubt that this guy can go out there and dominate to the level that he does but he's just he's kind of a force of you know his will on the field it's outstanding all right this one's more scary right now number four puka nakuha comes in at number four he's in that wide receiver prime 24 years old uh 23 24 25 those are the prime years for wide receiver production in fantasy uh we've got him at four he finished at four in 2023 as a rookie which was unbelievable last year the injuries held him back but his points per game they were better so he was so good i think injuries are a little bit of the story with puka nakua i don't i don't think that's an unreasonable thing like if it was just a blip on the radar well he's had him going

50:13Jason Moore:back like his entire career ironically his rookie season he played all 17 games but he he tends to come out uh his play style is he's too too much dog in him you know what I mean like gotta turn it down a little bit turn it down a little he will lay out for any ball he will crush into people he he is he plays fearless and I just wish maybe have a little bit of fear

50:41Mike Wright:yeah I you you talked about it in um you know last year it was that busted bursa yeah the bursa sack the bursa sack yeah cost him six games but you talked about 2023 the rookie year he had knee swelling shoulder bruise sprained shoulder hip soreness on injury reports for all four of those things never missed a game yeah 17 play but he puts his body on the line for sure which um and then you have the risk of matthew staff yes which is probably the bigger risk to me so you know if matthew stafford's there and he plays 17 you're talking about a guy that could absolutely finished number one overall he's right in that prime range to do so it's rare to have you know the same guy repeat it wide receiver year after year so Puka's in that category I can tell

51:25Jason Moore:you having had him on a roster for most of the last two years it is a great time this is a player who is not only consistent like Amon Ross St. Brown but can actually go out there and have you know, week winning performances where, you know, he's just got so many targets, so consistent. I love every single thing about him. And when you've got a quarterback like Matthew Stafford, when he's out there and he's healthy, he is not afraid to go. And I mean, he he made Cooper Cup the triple crown. He is fine to go out and take his guy. And even though you've got Devontae Adams here, Puka is the number one target.

52:03Jason Moore:Puka is Stafford's guy. How do we get Puka more touchdowns?

52:06Mike Wright:Yeah, that's the one thing that stands out to me is the touchdowns. It's like if the volume wasn't to the – What, nine touchdowns in 28 games?

52:12Jason Moore:No problem. That doesn't bother me at all. Touchdowns, I mean – It bothers me a little. I mean with Devontae Adams, who is a touchdown savant. My point is we've seen two years of this NFL wide receiver. At the end of his eight-year, nine, ten-year career, whatever it is, you're going to have double-digit touchdown seasons from this good of a player. You always have that. Even these guys who don't score a bunch of touchdowns throughout. You're saying Julio didn't have double-digit touchdown seasons?

52:41Mike Wright:I'm saying Julio. That was the story every single year of his career. We were sitting there going, like, why does Matt Ryan not find Julio Jones?

52:49Jason Moore:Right. No, it was very, very frustrating. But he had a double-digit touchdown season. He had seasons with eight, eight, eight, three times. So four different seasons he had. This is the guy that you're bringing up.

53:00Mike Wright:Yeah, he had double-digit touchdowns one time in 12 years, though. I was just saying that was the refrain with Julio is that sometimes players. sometimes players don't do that hall of fame wide receiver is one one time and that was the frustration year in and year out it's not that puka can't i'm not saying he can't i'm saying sometimes it just doesn't come to certain wide receivers and if i wanted to predict a situation where it would be harder for it to come it would be a situation where kyron is that good on the goal line and davante adams is double digit every year for the last five years um you have my point being if Stafford misses time and you don't get the volume to Puka you're not gonna get the touchdowns from Garoppolo to Puka and so then that's the that's the negative case now staring down the Stafford decision what I wanted to ask you is if you were actually in a draft and you're looking at Puka and Nico Collins even though you have them Puka ranked higher right now this moment if you had to draft today you don't get more information on Stafford are you pulling the trigger on Puka for the upside or are you just gonna go away from the the risk I think right

54:00Jason Moore:this second with what we know and with Stafford being currently not available to play I would take Nico Collins and Almond Ross St. Brown over Puka something we didn't bring up for Nico

54:13Andy Holloway:four years in the league four years not playing a complete season for Nico Collins 14 games rookie year 10 the next 15 yes it's worth worth mentioning so I mean like where the injury differential puka the guy who were like this guy gets hurt he has a his rookie

54:31Mike Wright:played every game yeah i wonder um yeah that but i would take a good point i would take nico but i already have nico ranked higher all right uh let's get to the big guys number three you just list them all real quick yeah see well no i actually have i think it's a conversation about cd lamb okay because um we know how good it can be because he was the number one he was the number one overall wide receiver um he was averaging almost 20 points a game the year before 14.6 finished wide receiver six last year 14.2 dak missed time but you know the truth is when dak played and we brought this up on the the quarterback show like the most recent sample we have of dak and cd wasn't as good as it was in 2023.

55:18Andy Holloway:Not as good as that ending, correct?

55:20Mike Wright:Well, yeah, I mean, almost the whole year. I think it was week four in that year that they turned it on. But what I'm saying is, is like Dak wasn't that good in that six, seven games he was active fantasy-wise. Seedy was a disappointment. I remember this. I had him. He was a keeper for me last year. I had him to start the year. I was disappointed big time. I mean, you started off, you came off a number one overall year and you ended up, you know, wide receiver 24, 15, 51. He had a good week, 41-24. That was not – when you draft a guy number one overall, which is what CeeDee Lamb was worthy of being picked, I was a little bummed.

55:53Mike Wright:So, you know, I don't think that the 2023 should be the standard. 19.7 points per game. No. That seems like a very special year. That's pretty outrageous. But we've all got him at three. We know what this guy is.

56:06Jason Moore:No, no, we don't.

56:07Andy Holloway:Oh, Jason has him at two. Thank you.

56:10Mike Wright:Okay.

56:11Jason Moore:Yep, just wanted to – Yeah, no, you – Yeah, put it out there. I mean, I think C.D. Lamb has as high a chance as anyone to be the wide receiver one overall. He is a dominant alpha wide receiver for a team in the Cowboys that, especially if they don't have Micah Parsons, please go away, Micah Parsons. They're going to have to throw the ball more. They can't run the ball. And Pickens doesn't scare me taking coverage away. C.D.'s target market share is going to be tremendously high. And so, yeah, I mean, I recognize that at the beginning of last year it was a slower start for CeeDee Lamb and for Dak Prescott when Dak was healthy.

56:50Jason Moore:But the previous year –

56:52Andy Holloway:CeeDee's still an A over that time, and he had to play with Cooper Rush from week 10 out, which he still had multiple double-digit points scored. and remember his shoulder. I don't remember if it was called him a shoulder, but every single time CeeDee Lamb hit the ground, he would lay there momentarily and get up, and you could see that this guy is not okay.

57:17Jason Moore:And if Dak gets injured, he gets a quarterback upgrade. Oh, my gosh. Joe Milton's that dude. Joe Milton III.

57:24Andy Holloway:No. He's that dude. No. No. I will not. No.

57:30Mike Wright:Not on this show. I don't know what drop to hit. No. I'm looking for what. I got you. There's a loser drop. Nah. Joe Milton. There's only one reason. No. He's got him in Dynasty, Mike. He hasn't in Dynasty. Okay.

57:43Andy Holloway:That all makes sense now. Why do I have him in Dynasty? Joe Milton is an exciting quarterback.

57:47Mike Wright:He tried to get me to trade him a Ramondre for Joe Milton.

57:50Andy Holloway:He would be. So he's not. Okay. If you're trying to get crap Ramondre for this great quarterback, you don't actually believe that.

57:57Mike Wright:No. No. Get out of here. He's fluffing.

58:01Andy Holloway:Do not. Number two.

58:04Mike Wright:Justin Jefferson comes in at number two. Number one. Jamar Chase comes in at number one. Is there a storyline here to talk about?

58:14Jason Moore:I mean. Well, Justin Jefferson, certainly. I mean, currently dealing with a hamstring. You've got a change at quarterback coming in with McCarthy. Is he going to be good enough to support? And I mean, that's the story. the story was answered with those type of questions minus the hamstring issue last year it's like oh sam darnold coming in i didn't believe sam darnold was going to be good enough

58:35Andy Holloway:um does that mean we're are we putting a reverse jinx here because we were so out on darnold

58:41Jason Moore:and now we're in on jj mccarthy it's possible it's possible well i mean based on the last

58:46Mike Wright:refresh of my twitter feed mccarthy has uh been released by the vikings for poor performance wait hold on let me refresh again uh big great pass oh dominating yeah yeah um jamar chase finished at number one last year i am having kyle dig into the last time we got a repeat number one overall it was probably antonio brown it doesn't happen very often um so you know i it's it's the reality jamar chase is the best bet to do it that's why you You draft him where you draft him, but I think Jefferson is in that category too. He is. It's just a Burrow confidence versus a McCarthy confidence.

59:26Andy Holloway:And last year, Tyreek was the number one pick. Yep. And I bring that up for, you're like, hey, what could go wrong here for Jamar Chase? Well, Tyreek Hill was already older. Jamar Chase, we listed the ages of the prime to be a fantasy football superstar, and Jamar Chase is right in it. So maybe it's not number one for Jamar Chase, but your best chance of having a top three fantasy wide receiver is Jamar Chase.

59:58Mike Wright:Yeah, the last repeat was 2014-2015 Antonio Brown. It's been a minute. So it's been 10 years, yeah. One thing I did want to mention too is I think we talked about it before. Man, I'm looking at this. Like CeeDee Lamb, they go on the road to play the Philly defense. Then they play the Giants defense. Then they play on the road against Chicago's defense. then they play Green Bay's defense. So that first four weeks, if it's slow, we know a slow start does not stop CD from dominating, or Dak from dominating either. But both of those guys could look a little...

1:00:27Jason Moore:If CD gets off to a really bad first month, I will be trading for him everywhere I can.

1:00:32Mike Wright:Yeah. And it kind of, like you said, it happened last year. It started slow for CD. He was a wide receiver 11 through the first four weeks. Then through the first nine, he ends up as the wide receiver four over that span. We've got a mock draft episode tomorrow. We've got RB rankings episodes on the horizon. Top 10 tips and tricks. Jason's trying to figure out his My Guys. Yeah. I've got a couple

1:00:59Jason Moore:locked in. It's a couple now. Oh, are you locked? I've got at least one locked in. Oh, man.

1:01:05Andy Holloway:Do you know what a couple is?

1:01:08Jason Moore:I unlocked them. I have the key.

1:01:09Mike Wright:so yeah so my guys episode comes up next week as well so um very very exciting check out the ultimate draft kit at ultimate draft kit.com the community join the foot.com if you're an ultimate foot clan supporter you get the udk for free every year you get the dfs pass you'll be getting a bonus podcast today you get everything yeah the footcast every week we give a bonus podcast to our supporters at join the foot.com that'll do it for today's episode thank you so much for joining us. Preseason football. Preseason football. Yeah. Tonight should be fun. I'll be watching. Goodbye.

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