Fantasy Football - Trending or Ending + Changing Offenses - Podcast for 3/19

9:43Jason Moore:Ending would be like, oh, it's good.

9:45Mike Wright:It feels that way. But we're saying that the bad trend is continuing. Correct. I think the challenge here is that you've lost Romeo Dobbs. Whatever you think about Romeo Dobbs, he's a solid, maybe above average wide receiver that is now out the door. Tucker Craft is coming back from a major injury. I'm looking at pass attempts before Josh Jacobs arrives. 34 a game for Jordan Love in the big season, 28 a game. Because he threw the ball 579 times in 2023. You didn't have a weapon in the running game that was really a goal line weapon. And so you look at, okay, how do you throw seven fewer touchdowns on average?

10:27Mike Wright:Well, Josh Jacobs is the answer to that question. But yeah, Tucker Kraft coming back from injury. Matthew Golden's going to have his chance to make a mark, and he'll probably have some big plays. But I think more of the same for Green Bay. They can be a very successful team if he throws 25 touchdowns. Yeah, their defense is really good, and that sucks. I think it's always hard when there's a guy that you think, if the situation allowed it, could be better. I think that's the way it feels with Jordan Love. If you decided to let him throw the ball 579 times, he would be a perennial top 5, 6, 7 quarterback.

11:01Mike Wright:That's just not the dynamic there in Green Bay right now. yeah you don't have if they had added aj brown maybe we can have a conversation jordan love

11:08Andy Holloway:strikes me as a guy that before the career is over you'll have one or two more seasons where he's like he goes baker mayfield of right two years ago where it's just everything's on you know the luck is there the touchdown variance luck is there he's just he's hitting on the big throws But I think that he's more of this like a high-end QB2.

11:33Mike Wright:Yeah, so are you in the same camp where you think he'll be outside that group? Yeah, I think so. Not a sneaky late-round quarterback to draft?

11:40Andy Holloway:No, I'd rather take a shot on Malik Willis.

11:43Mike Wright:It's so wild because you look at, I mean, I know he's the MVP now, 46 touchdowns. It's just like Matthew Stafford threw 20 last year. He threw 24 the year before. Right. Like played 15, 16 games, 20 and 24. Sometimes you have a special season. Maybe that was the first season for Jordan Love. But streamer, yeah, he's a streaming quarterback candidate. One that I would play in a good matchup or if Josh Jacobs was hurt.

12:12Jason Moore:Yeah, I was going to say, if Josh Jacobs goes down, Jordan Love can do it. They just don't need him to go out there and throw the ball 35 times.

12:19Mike Wright:Underdog ADP is QB 17.

12:21Jason Moore:That feels right. So there you go.

12:24Mike Wright:We're going to jump right into the main event.

12:32Jason Moore:coaching carousel

12:38Mike Wright:well on Tuesday we went through all the head coaching changes and the corresponding offensive coordinator changes on a number of teams there were 10 teams that changed head coaches today we're going to take a further dive into teams that have changed just the offensive coordinator position and there is a coaching changes section in the ultimate draft kit that we dive into. We talked about Arizona, Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Las Vegas, Miami, New York, Pittsburgh, Tennessee on Tuesday if you want to hear our fantasy implications of those moves. A couple quick facts about offensive coordinators.

13:12Mike Wright:Kyle's always setting some of this stuff aside for us and the turnover in the NFL. Only five of the current 32 offensive coordinators have been in that role with their team for two plus years.

13:23Jason Moore:I mean if you're really good as an OC, like really good, you get a head coaching opportunity. Or you're bad and you get fired. Right.

13:32Mike Wright:Yeah. So. Yeah. You don't stick around and just be kind of okay.

13:36Jason Moore:Yeah. Like you don't have really long tenured OCs very often.

13:41Mike Wright:So it looks like the five that have been around Wes Phillips with Kevin O 'Connell, but O 'Connell's like, like he's not a, O 'Connell's really the engine there. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

13:52Jason Moore:This is Mike's point that he brings up all the time, which is if you have a defensive head coach and your offense is great, you're losing your offensive coordinator. If you want to keep your offensive coordinator, then have them go to an offensive head coach not named Sean McVay.

14:11Mike Wright:I was going to say, we'll talk about the McVay situation because he's always got turnover at OC, but he's calling plays and so involved. He's now taking a multi-pronged approach. to offensive assistants.

14:25Jason Moore:Yeah, the Rams are just like everyone wants the springboard.

14:30Andy Holloway:McVay just wants to – McVay wants every coach in the league to just be under his coaching tree.

14:36Jason Moore:Him versus Shanahan. They're just trying to spread their seed. That's all they're doing. They want lots of coach babies out there. Yeah, that's what they're doing.

14:49Andy Holloway:That's the old phrase.

14:50Jason Moore:That is how we would put it. That's how they're doing it. Jason would. Johnny Appleseed, throwing them everywhere. Okay.

14:57Mike Wright:Yeah. Yep. So there are 11 new offensive coordinators we're going to highlight today. Eight of the 11 will be play callers for their team. And we'll just jump in. We'll do it alphabetical order here. Starting with the Bears, they know. I mean, we know Ben Johnson calls the plays there. Declan Doyle, 30 years old, right? Moving on. press taylor now the offensive coordinator for the bears um younger brother of cincinnati head coach zach taylor oh okay i guess i can kind of see that because of the the names in yeah yeah that's it the names they're very similar um no i was looking at a picture of them but uh it looks like it looks like it looks like they could be brothers looks like they could be brother but but this is one where you you don't really feel instability nope in fact the Chicago offensive situation is just going to be really really interesting because like Jason I don't think you were a part of this conversation might have been the foot cast someone brought up like why are you so in on Luther Burden why isn't a duns a sleeper we kind of talked through it I think a duns is a huge sleeper like he's definitely a player that I'm paying attention to the first 13 weeks of the season he had a 22 % target share on that team last year Colson Loveland had been banged up not a part of the offense as much same with Luther Burden weeks 14 through 18 it completely changed Adunze was hurt he missed time Colson Loveland grabbed a stranglehold Luther Burden started to establish and then in the playoffs it was all Loveland right 28 % target share for him Adunze down to 13 % but the departure of DJ Moore in general like I think the Bears are just one of the highlight teams for the entire offseason that you can be excited about what they started to form if Caleb Williams can start to throw the ball more accurately.

16:50Andy Holloway:You have five skill position players that you will want to draft. I think Loveland is the one that I'm going after. Even though I prefer Burden over Romo Dunze, there's going to be drafts where Romo Dunze lines up where this is a value, I want to take a shot at the Chicago offense. then DeAndre Swift, Kyle Menongai do do do do all of these players are going to be drafted this is what happens when you give us just something glorious like Ben Johnson getting an offense

17:24Jason Moore:hopefully, but I will say this if Caleb Williams doesn't break the record for passing yardage for the Chicago Bears, you're going to be disappointed oh of course, it's just well you won't be happy with all of them that's what I mean, either one person breaks up what I worry is that if he throws

17:41Andy Holloway:You want tickets into that show, though.

17:44Jason Moore:Yeah, I'm just saying the show might not be as big as we think. If he throws for 3 ,900 passing yards, okay, everyone's going to have a stretch of games that are good. So that's my only worry with the Bears. You've got to have them throw for 4 ,300.

18:01Mike Wright:Well, I mean, what was it? Jordan Love the last two years was the 3 ,300. That was the crazy number there. You talk about the offensive pieces in Green Bay as well. but I get what you're saying I think that this is one of the situations they lost a star center I'm not gonna we can't forget about that their offensive line was so good last year third according to PFF they've got to fix the center position that's a bummer but Ben Johnson is the is the offensive mastermind here it's not going to be Press Taylor you know Declan Doyle benefited from being under Ben Johnson and getting a job, another job.

18:39But Press Taylor is just stepping into kind of literally assist,

18:43Mike Wright:not call plays, right? Yeah. All right, let me take a quick break for us, and then we'll come back and talk about the other 10.

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20:27Andy Holloway:The Denver Broncos.

20:31Mike Wright:okay i this one's weird i love talking about the denver broncos because i hate i find sean payton to be simultaneously a good coach and just plain annoying just kind of i love just like you rant on him just like a dude that's got to be talked about a lot that's got to be angry all the time i mean you you even saw it when he got rid of his offensive coordinator it was like I can't remember the exact quote Kyle maybe you can find it um it was something to the extent of like he's like yeah Sean was just in one of his moods that's what I feel all the time I mean that was the quote it was like he's in one of his moods he was gonna you know he was gonna be mad no matter

21:11Jason Moore:what it's funny because I can completely see your perspective and I don't think you're wrong and yet I don't despise Sean Payton I I like him I like his personality if he was my head coach of my team if I had a team. Right, yes. I would like that he is that head coach and I would enjoy, I do enjoy his press conferences. I like watching him talk. I like how he explains stuff. Also, it is clear as day that Sean Payton wants you to think very highly of Sean Payton. I mean to a very unhealthy degree. It's very clear and obvious. He has the Bounty

21:53Andy Holloway:stuff trailing him to he likes his own brand of he's a fart sniffer yes he smells his own farts

22:01Mike Wright:yeah and he's like hey which is a little bit it's a funny transition into the conversation about the hire because davis webb is now the offensive coordinator joe lombardi the quote was uh sean payton was in one of those moods where he felt like some changes needed to be made so i've been around him long enough to kind of read the tea leaves davis webb's taking over but then the funny part is it's like Sean Payton didn't put his foot down and say well I'm calling plays anyway he basically said you know I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't feel like it would help our team I'll still be involved but he said he's going to hand over play calling to Davis Webb and to be honest with you the offense is what was inconsistent and struggled last year now I can't blame Sean Payton for Cortland Sutton's drops I can't blame him for the random errant passes by Bo Nix or the fact that Bo Nix was like so hot and cold I will always remember the Raider game where they just looked so incompetent and won whatever 13 10 or 10 7 on Thursday night football and we were like what is this but I I find myself slightly more encouraged by a change happening I

23:07Jason Moore:do too Davis Webb got head coaching opportunities like interviews around the league and then they and then Payton retained him. He's, you know, people believe that Davis Webb is an extremely talented offensive mind, so to give away play-calling duties when you are Sean Payton, it bodes well for me to believe in Davis Webb.

23:30Mike Wright:And if you didn't listen to our True Series episodes, Bo Nix, just for example, the last two years, his two years starting, 38 % bust games, 35 % bust games, 13 % great games, that would be, I think our threshold is, what, 25 or above for quarterbacks? Something like that. Somewhere around there, and only 12 % this year. So consistency has been a problem. He's been outside the top 10 in consistency despite finishing in the top 10 in terms of total fantasy points. And maybe you could see, you know, it seems clear from their comments and what they're doing they would like to strengthen the running back room.

24:01Mike Wright:They brought back Jill Leo McLaughlin just to be a thorn in the sight of everybody else. We'll see what the draft holds. but I find myself slightly more encouraged that a change is happening.

24:13Andy Holloway:I can agree.

24:15Mike Wright:Mike, talk to me about your favorite offensive coordinator of all time, the Detroit Lions.

24:19Andy Holloway:Yeah.

24:19Mike Wright:They have brought in, they finished 9-8. They did not make the playoffs. They were fourth in points per game. Offense was pretty good numbers-wise. Defense struggled, injuries, 22nd in points per game. John Morton is out. He had lost play-calling duties to Dan Campbell partway through the year, and the blobfish has arrived. Drew Patsing, the new offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions. It feels so much worse. It does. To call him the blobfish. When he's not a cardinal.

24:46Jason Moore:When he's not hurting us and our fandom. Now it just feels like. Kind of cruel. Kind of a cruel insult. Right. But once you're named. It's on your birth certificate. Right. Mr. Bob. Maybe Mr. Bobfish. Oh, that's a nicer. To show respect. That's Mr. Blobfish to you. how did they how did they watch Arizona like I actually understand it's gonna be totally I do I do I think it's gonna work out really well and this is as someone but as in you think that

25:18Andy Holloway:Drew coming in makes things better because you over more I can say you know what not than Ben Johnson is like I think they're correct I like I think that the Lions with without an OC it's as Dan Campbell. I think they will have great success on offense.

25:33Jason Moore:I do too. I think if they didn't have Drew Petsing, they wouldn't be bad. Drew Petsing coming in, he's got some good concepts in the running game. His run scheme, it worked in Arizona. James Conner was great. They've got Gibbs and they've got a better offensive line there than what the Cardinals had. When they had a quarterback that could stand in the pocket and Jacoby Brissett was allowed to throw the ball. Yeah, they were a good offense. They were a good offense. Kyler did not fit the Petsing scheme at all and Petsing couldn't seemingly adapt to Kyler, but you know, that's the tiny, cowardly, mobile quarterback which is the exact opposite of Jared Goff.

26:17Jason Moore:The immobile, pretty brave.

26:21Mike Wright:He'll stand in there and take a hit. It's a tough division. It's going to be a a dogfight in that division but i i kind of lean on jason's side i think i think for what detroit wants to do on offense he's going to fit in quite well um do you see any shake-ups happening by the way their schedule is going to be delicious this year because they face a fourth place schedule despite going nine and eight because of that division so they get to play against the giants the titans and the cardinals oh the the return of the blob that'll be fun

26:51Andy Holloway:Do you see anything being shaken up of Amon Ra, Jameson Williams, and Gibbs?

27:03Mike Wright:I do think Dan Campbell is still going to have a pretty heavy influence on the type of offense they run. But, Jason, I never got your response, neither of us did, to the incredibly big signing of Isaiah Pacheco.

27:15Jason Moore:look they're going to use him enough behind a good offensive line to have fantasy relevance they will deploy Gibbs so much more than they did last year I think it is it makes Pacheco

27:31Andy Holloway:relevant because he's on the Lions I think Pacheco is the test for Drew that like if Drew keeps putting Pacheco out, that's when Dan will just – They'll take all the play calling from him.

27:43Mike Wright:Should Gibbs be – with the signing, I know we were waiting on a backup slash committee back. Is Gibbs number one for you right now?

27:50Jason Moore:No. It could have flipped before Algier left, you know, because it was like, oh, it was Bijan. And then once David Montgomery got out of town, it was like, okay, maybe Gibbs should be the number one. But then Algier got out of town. It's like, all right, I'll back. Okay. Is he number two? Yeah, I think right now it would probably go B. John Gibbs, 1-2.

28:10Mike Wright:The Kansas City Chiefs have brought an old friend back to stand next to the guy who actually calls the place.

28:19Andy Holloway:Andy Reid.

28:20Mike Wright:He's a friendly guy.

28:23Andy Holloway:When you're friends with Andy Reid, you're in. You are in. Nothing if not loyal. Right.

28:29Mike Wright:Eric Biennemi is the new offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs. is back. He played a huge role in their championships of years gone by, but Matt Nagy's departing. I don't think we gave Matt Nagy a lot of the credit, right? It's an Andy Reid offense. Oh, I give him none. I mean, from the time that Eric Bien-Ami left, it did not go well. There was the Washington Commanders stint. There was a UCLA stint. Then he got back into the the NFL with the Bears as a running backs coach but like there was head coaching talk about BNME

29:10Andy Holloway:back oh yeah yeah too there was but I mean like and then he almost flamed out of the league he was BNME was the OC from 2018 to 2022 I will read you the fantasy finishes the first year 2018 okay also known as Patrick Mahomes first year QB1 8441 and the QB8 that year was at 20.5 points per game. And then the next three years, it has been 17.5, 17.6. Mahomes was at 20.3, if you remember, because the dude was running so much. So he was getting that cheat code for fantasy football. But it's like all the good Mahomes years were not nagging.

29:56Jason Moore:Yeah, that's true. That is a fact. also a fact three of those four years the wide receiver one the wide receiver two and the wide receiver six were Tyreek Hill yeah so it's like it's one of those in Kelsey's peak yeah and a

30:10Mike Wright:running game for some of it Kansas City had four offensive plays of 20 plus yards that resulted in a touchdown last year that was the fewest in the NFL that's not what you think of that's not acceptable how do we not get mad at Reed is Reed just immune from like people being like we just

30:26Jason Moore:blame the personnel i i i don't think i blame just the personnel i think it's the trend of how you deploy a defense against this team that was beating you over the top over and over and over they go to you know the the shell defense the two high safeties and then they take what the defense gives them and it's worked for most of the last years now this past year injuries got in the way they didn't get in the playoffs then they did the right thing and shut things down towards the end of the year. They've got the best draft capital coming into this season that they've had pretty much in the Mahomes era.

31:02Jason Moore:So I think it's going to get a little bit fixed, but the offensive skill positions are still a big question mark. Kelsey's older. They don't have a successful downfield threat.

31:14Mike Wright:Even after re-signing Thornton, huh?

31:17Jason Moore:Yeah, I mean, Thornton is MVS. They don't have a Tyreek I'm saying on...

31:22Andy Holloway:Mahomes has the injury. We have to overcome all of that, but But I'm more hopeful now that we're done with the budget magician.

31:30Mike Wright:I think it's good for the running game. I think that's the one area where BNME has had consistent presence, both on Kansas City and elsewhere. So to me, if they can establish it, which is the first agenda that they have. Oh, it will be established. Then that seems kind of interesting to me. So the Chargers, this is a fun one to talk about. Mike McDaniel replacing Greg Roman. I'm not sure you could have more opposite personalities, ages. 11-6 last year, second in the AFC West.

32:02Jason Moore:Mike McDaniel is 43, but he really seems 25. He's got a young soul. He's got a young soul. He takes a BMX bike to work. And he looks like he's still growing.

32:12Mike Wright:So it's like he's a kid having fun out there. The dynamic of him and Harbaugh together is spectacular. But I think we all really respect it. I respected how the Dolphins continued to play hard for him despite the season going to crap and obviously eventually letting Tua completely go.

32:30Jason Moore:Players have always loved him. We've talked to Juice, a big fan of the show, who worked with Mike McDaniel when he was an OC back in San Francisco. Everybody loves Mike McDaniel, thinks he's really smart. The fact that he doesn't have to wear the head coaching helmet and deal with all the press. and all, you know, let him just go be the... He'd fall over. He's a little guy. Be the little scientist creating cool plays.

32:58Mike Wright:Yeah, they were 24th in points per game last year. Herbert was the first quarterback since 2018 to lead the league in percentage of drop backs pressured and still make the playoffs. So the Herbert defenders... I will not ever stop defending Herbert. It's hard after what he did in the playoffs to not say, uh, that was real bad.

33:21Andy Holloway:the Chargers are very exciting with McDaniel there

33:25Jason Moore:the offensive line is getting massively improved because they already had two great tackles both of who got injured through the year and they lost both of them they're getting them back and then they just went and got a great center so now it's like okay so your center and your edges are elite you go from terrible

33:45Mike Wright:fullback and an elite blocking tight end in Charlie Kohler.

33:49Jason Moore:I mean, I'm already pre-in-love with the Chargers offense.

33:53Mike Wright:And a guard and another tackle. You're pre-in-love? Yeah. Okay. There's a lot of reasons to be optimistic. No question. And McDaniel should be able to put the players in the best position to succeed. I think that's been the thing that's been difficult sometimes. Huge, he has a role to play. He's not probably a superstar. Lad McConkie, you know, we had the amazing rookie year it was kind of weird last year you know can he re-emerge under mike mcdaniel you'd think so especially with keenan allen probably not back but who knows if he's back

34:25Jason Moore:because he's keenan allen yeah that it'll be really interesting i want the news on whether keenan allen's back but i feel like i won't know if keenan allen is back until kickoff you know like coming out of the tunnel yeah it's just like hey we signed keenan out yeah you got me again He's going to be so late.

34:44Mike Wright:He finds the papers on the way out of the tunnel. All right, another, we alluded to it, the Rams, new offensive coordinator. LaFleur is gone in Arizona as the head coach. Nate Sheilhaus is replacing Mike LaFleur, but they also signed Cliff Kingsbury to be an offensive assistant head coach. If you read about what they're talking about, the utilization, it's going to be more Sheilhaus with, Cliff's not going to be taking over an offensive coordinator role, but he is going to be a game planning, play design assistant. McVay, we already know, is calling the game.

35:23Jason Moore:It's just another good offensive mind to have around for McVay. I don't think we ever look – every year it's like, okay, so who's the OC for the Rams? And it doesn't really matter. We're hoping they're smart. They usually are. and then they can go become a head coach after they get spritz with the McVay scent. And then I went smell. Yeah, smell. Yeah, I heard it. The smint. The smint. But, yeah, honestly, having more good offensive minds there cannot hurt, especially when you have such a mastermind of running the team in McVay. I don't worry about, oh, well, heads butt. What if they've got different game plan ideas?

36:07Jason Moore:Because McVay is in charge, and they know that. So this is just going to be a great offense.

36:13Mike Wright:I can't believe they have the Falcons pick at 13. I mean, they're a really, really good team. I don't know what the current odds are to win the Super Bowl, but if the Rams aren't second or third or maybe first, I'd be shocked. I know they're the favorites to win the division, even though Seattle obviously won it last year and won the Super Bowl.

36:35Andy Holloway:I think it was very close between Rams and Seattle last I saw

36:39Mike Wright:to speak of an offense with the most opposite perspective possible the Jets have hired Frank Reich huh huh I am seeing right now is this a big joke this Jets thing Frank Reich who do you want I want Geno the Jets

37:02Andy Holloway:are very unserious

37:08Jason Moore:I feel bad for very few fan bases more than our own but the Jets certainly qualify I don't know how you can stick with that team Frank Reich will be I presume the interim head coach by year's end they're bringing in someone at OC who has been a head coach in the past I also presume he will not be the taking over the team next year. No, no. Frank Reich will not make it through the season. Oh, that's the other... He might. Well, no, Andy's bringing up a good point. Because we know Aaron Glenn will... Oh, okay. You know what I mean?

37:47Andy Holloway:Yeah, he's like...

37:49Jason Moore:He's got his samurai sword out. He's ready

37:51Andy Holloway:to get to work. You will not be the interim. I will not allow it.

37:55Mike Wright:He's already played the half season situation before, right? In Carolina?

38:01Andy Holloway:Yeah, Reich was...

38:02Mike Wright:Reich is... he's not unpacking all of his belongings. I think it's passed him by. I think that's what we saw very obvious. I mean, this is going to be a disaster. The Jets represent the biggest challenge for the Cardinals getting this number one pick.

38:19Andy Holloway:Yeah, agreed. Man.

38:23Mike Wright:It's a bummer. I'm sorry, Jets fans.

38:26Andy Holloway:And fantasy players. You know it. We know it. I'm sorry to breeze Hall. You have two elite players at their position, and when you go to draft them. Gino Smith and Breeze Hall. When you go to draft those guys, it's going to be difficult, and it's going to.

38:47Mike Wright:Yeah, because you're going to have to talk about Frank Reich being your offensive coordinator and Aaron Glenn still being the head coach and Gino Smith being the quarterback, if not him, Justin Fields. It's going to be a bunch of stuff like that all offseason long.

38:58Jason Moore:It's Andy's thing to remember from the things to remember episode.

39:02Mike Wright:Yeah. Bad teams ruin good players. Yeah. There you go. I'm sorry, guys. Don't draft him. I'm sorry. That's our analysis on Drake, right? Oh, yeah. The play caller. Yeah.

39:11Jason Moore:We should have, someone's got to have odds of like who gets fired first, Reich or Glenn. Aaron Glenn? Yeah. I think, I do think Frank Reich will be the interim head coach. That might be the case.

39:25Mike Wright:That might be the case. We'll take a break. We'll be right back.

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41:19Mike Wright:well it's time to talk about jason's favorite player of all time sean manion taking over as the offensive coordinator for your philadelphia eagles my dude sean manny my boy sean manny or jason's boy john thank you um okay well kevin patula wasn't getting it done we know that

41:38Jason Moore:and it seemed like not a lot of people wanted this job no no because they i don't know there's

41:47Mike Wright:just a bad vibe right now with the philadelphia offense if aaron or sorry if aj brown is traded right now Goddard is not re-signed as of this recording right correct and as of this recording AJ Brown is not traded correct but you know Saquon Barkley last year was a big difference not getting younger question marks around Jalen Hurts abilities to to take the team as far as they'd like him to last year they were 19th in points per game the year before they were 7th under Kellen Moore the championship year they were 24th in yards per game the year before they were eighth they were 11th in rushing attempts per game they were number one the year before that's correlated to success and leading games and then turnovers per game that number's still good so they didn't turn the ball over a ton but i feel like the oc for philly your biggest job is you are a human shield for nick sirianni that's why that's why people did not want like that's that's your

42:44Andy Holloway:job is oh that's why they don't want the job is you show up and then if things don't go well for

42:50Jason Moore:the team you get to take all the blame but at the same time there is the opportunity that things go really well for the team it's possible that you can leave the team in a good manner like

43:02Mike Wright:kellen moore did that's true i mean they they well super bowl will do that um this is still

43:08Jason Moore:they're a talented enough roster both sides of the ball to win a super bowl well yeah because

43:13Mike Wright:the defensive side is so good your your task as an offensive play caller is to just be competent you don't actually have to be a top five offense just get in the top half now saquon last year and this is a concern for this team and i don't know if it translates to tank bigsby getting opportunities or what but among 55 qualified running backs with 80 plus rush attempts he was 48th in percentage of runs stuffed at the line of scrimmage 48th in rush success rate 42nd yards after contact per attempt. That doesn't seem great.

43:46Andy Holloway:Hopefully it's an outlier. Yeah, Lane Johnson missed a lot of time. Yeah, but when running backs... How often do they bounce back from this? When it's gone, it's gone. And it vanishes seemingly overnight. And it does all of our heroes. They play long enough, it just disappears and then you they still have like multiple years left in the league where you're hoping yeah we're kind of all right like yeah you remember do you remember how good Barkley was

44:19Mike Wright:it's gonna be really hard do it again it's gonna be hard not to draft him where he drops that'll be the hardest challenge with Saquon Barkley because you could you could easily talk yourself into the offensive line improving and the team improving Lane Johnson yeah you look at

44:30Jason Moore:the splits with him and without him as a team wins losses points everything he's one of the best tackles in the league and it shows you know so having him back and healthy you would imagine hey maybe the run game will work maybe everything will open up and be better and you're not drafting

44:47Andy Holloway:saquon number one like you were last year right well so jason just very very early just off the top of your head ken bone walker or saquon barkley ken bone walker all right seattle

44:58Mike Wright:goodbye clint kubiak you just earned yourself a head coaching job also before before we move on

45:03Jason Moore:And I just was, since we're talking about these teams and we were saying Super Bowl odds, looks like the Eagles are the seventh highest Super Bowl odds. The Rams are, in fact, the favorites. Oh. And Seahawks are second.

45:16Mike Wright:There you go. 14-3, first in the NFC West. Clint Kubiak is now the head coach of the Raiders. And Brian Fleury is taking over. Part-time Viking, full-time offenses coordinator. He's got a Luke. by the look of this picture here, 45 years old, was with the Dolphins and then was with the 49ers.

45:40Andy Holloway:He was with Leif Erikson before that, though.

45:43Mike Wright:Leif Erikson?

45:44Andy Holloway:Yeah. Is that a Viking?

45:45Mike Wright:It is. Yeah, okay. Good. I'm sorry. That's your heritage. Jason didn't know what I was talking about. I didn't know what. Guys, it's called - Are you upset back there, Papa Josh? You know what he's talking about? No, I got it. It's called a book. That's because you look like a Viking yourself.

45:58Jason Moore:Thank you.

46:01Mike Wright:That is actually the nicest thing you've ever said to Josh. He took it as a hardcore compliment. And you were probably around when they were still around.

46:11Jason Moore:Is that not just an objective compliment? Like the look of a Viking?

46:16Mike Wright:Some people like it. I mean, depends if you're a man or a woman.

46:23Okay. That's fair.

46:26Mike Wright:I think most men would take it as a compliment. Yeah, I mean, you know, you're big and strong. If I told you you look like you're in a biker gang, would you take that as a compliment? No, I wouldn't.

46:38Andy Holloway:Pretty similar. I think that's a similar look. Yeah, one's a lot.

46:41Mike Wright:I think the Vikings translated straight into biker gang.

46:43Jason Moore:Yeah, exactly. They retired from Vikings, and then they got a motorcycle. They're like, I'm old. I'm going to start a biker gang. Wait, is that how you see biker gangs? That's how I see them now, yeah.

46:52Mike Wright:Oh, they're not all old, man.

46:54Andy Holloway:Riding their land boats.

46:58Jason Moore:exactly the water is too tough on my tummy now give me flat ground their land boats the wooden

47:05Andy Holloway:motorcycles those are the ones the vikings ride leaf erickson has a day october 9th leaf erickson day this is a real person yes well you said it's from a book genuinely yes a history book jason

47:23Mike Wright:What is that? I wish I could leave you alone, but I thought he was talking about some actor that played a Viking or something. So I am out of the history books of the Vikings.

47:30Andy Holloway:When you go to the library, there's nonfiction books and fiction books. Oh, you're allowed to go? He is like a very famous explorer. I'm not allowed to go to the library.

47:40Mike Wright:You can go into the nonfiction section? You're allowed. Huh.

47:43Andy Holloway:Hmm. There's no beads. Do they have nonfiction? No beads up in front of the nonfiction.

47:47Jason Moore:Do they have nonfiction in Audible? Of course. Okay, well, that's news to me.

47:56Mike Wright:Expectations for the Seattle offense. Losing Kubiak, you have to say, is a big blow, right? Yes. And you lost Ken Walker. And Charbonnet. They got to refocus the running game. But you got JSN, right? You got Sam Darnold.

48:13Andy Holloway:They really have to pick up the pieces and figure some things out here.

48:17Mike Wright:They paid Rashid Shahid. We'll see if Barner Arroyo maybe breaks out a little bit in year two. Torrey Horton will come back from injury. You know, you expect them to be a very good team because their defense is very good. They were number two in points per game. I don't know if we see that kind of year again, right? A couple years ago, it was like this was a story with the Lions, right? It's like they were that good on offense. Can you repeat that? But top five, top ten offense. Very difficult. That's what you're aiming for. do you have confidence that Fleury will get the job done

48:51Jason Moore:no I mean you've got the same quarterback you've got a great wide receiver they're coming off of the Super Bowl great can they be just as good as they were last year yeah but am I confident in that when you lose your best running back your entire running back core to start the year and the guy who is so good at manufacturing, you know, the Kubiak system, that run scheme worked really well. Now he has left to become a head coach. You know, we just talked about the Eagles, right? The Eagles went to a Super Bowl, and they had Kellen Moore, and he went and took a head coaching job, and they still were a good team.

49:32Jason Moore:They still had the same offensive pieces, but they didn't have Kellen Moore, and the scheme wasn't as good, and then that guy got fired the next year and people were upset. I could see that happening for the Seahawks if Kubiak was really part of the magic sauce of making this offense work.

49:49Andy Holloway:They were extremely run heavy. When they threw, they were incredibly successful. Especially going down the field. Sam Darnold to JSN down the field was truly magic last year. It seemed like every time he's going to throw it 20 air yards, JSN will be wide open.

50:06Jason Moore:But that might be because of how run heavy they were.

50:09Andy Holloway:That's what I'm saying. of they with no Walker and you I can't imagine that charges there at the beginning of the year had how do you maintain that if that's what if that's what the team wants to be which I mean that you would think so as you have what Ryan Grubb two years ago gets fired after a great season or a successful season in terms of your record because that we didn't like how the the direction of the offense. We want to run more. So we bring in Kubiak. If you don't have your two top running backs, how do you do that?

50:45Mike Wright:I think they will make a splash in the draft. I think it's very likely that they will, that running back. I think that was part of the decision. You want to pay Ken Walker big running back money?

50:55Jason Moore:It's a really difficult year to make a splash. But they got the perfect pick to do it.

51:01Mike Wright:Last pick of the first round.

51:02Jason Moore:But the issue is, I mean, obviously Jeremiah Love will be long gone by then.

51:08Mike Wright:The splash doesn't have to be a top five pick. I'm just saying one of the top two or three running backs on the board. They could easily drop the second running back off the board. Yeah. That's all I mean. With their second pick. Yeah.

51:19Andy Holloway:I mean, you got it. I don't know how much the NFL is going to love this crop.

51:26Mike Wright:Exactly. Tampa Bay. Every year. Always. Yeah. Josh Guzari.

51:32Andy Holloway:Is Baker Mayfield the quarterback? Because that means new O.C. Always.

51:37Mike Wright:I mean, Zach Robinson, though. Does he still have enough of the whiff of McVay on him?

51:44Andy Holloway:It's starting to wear off. I think he could be tracked by a bloodhound. For sure. I mean, a bloodhound's got... Yeah, there's enough. If Robinson was lost in the woods and you gave him a McVay hanky, I think they could track him down. There's enough. Hanky.

52:01Mike Wright:The Buccaneers started 6-2. After the bye, they went 2-7. It was sad. It was as sad for Baker as it was for Ibuka as it was for, I mean, Evans is gone now. I think the clock is running out on Todd Bowles. This is another situation that I can see. Todd Bowles is on the hot seat. You know, it's like Frank Reich versus Aaron Glenn leaving. I think if this team started slow, you could have Zach Robinson as your interim head coach. Absolutely. So, ultimately, we've come to expect changes in the offensive coordinator position for fantasy purposes. you know I certainly am not I don't think that Zach Robinson makes me feel way better I don't think he makes me feel way worse about the situation I like that Evans is out of the way for fantasy purposes for the wide receiver room for Kate Otten I think Baker has gotten used to getting it done with different coordinators but I don't have like great I don't think this is a

52:57Jason Moore:major move I like that it's an experienced play caller someone that comes in and you know he's not trying to figure this out we didn't know how the grizzler would do um sometimes you you are able to be liam liam cohen where you know you get that first shot and you prove yourself and sometimes you get that first shot and you're like you are found unworthy um it's nice to have someone come in and be gone grizzler we know you're not bad guys my zach robinson is not working i can't

53:28Mike Wright:get back i get in the building someone had to someone had to fall on the sword for balls not to leave. That's the truth of that situation. It was either going to be balls out the door or somebody was going to have to get the it's your fault, not mine.

53:40Andy Holloway:It's not me. I'm not leaving.

53:43Jason Moore:I'm going to be mildly interested in the Buccaneers. I'm very excited to see where, with Mike Evans leaving, where Igbig Boo is drafted will be fascinating. I'm guessing that if you look at where he's going on underdog right now, it's not where he's going to land come august but we should all guess kyle can tell us but we should

54:06Mike Wright:guess where we think he's going in underdog like right now like now yeah i i am gonna guess he is going at i have my guess i've got mine wide receiver number wide receiver number yeah i've

54:19Andy Holloway:got mine i will guess wide receiver 22 i had 23 i had 26 kyle he's 21

54:32Jason Moore:one oh i think it will rise i do too yes i do sir

54:41Mike Wright:i love the cadence it was really eager yeah um i think it will rise i do too i think that there could be some some definite reasons for optimism there as a go-to because Because you go into next year, I mean, Godwin is really reliable but not explosive anymore, in my opinion. So then you're looking at a Buka, can he take the mantle there? And he's a good receiver. You don't do what you did in the first seven weeks, eight weeks, if you're not. So we'll see. Washington, boy, the wheels fell off last year. Everything went wrong. And then they lost Cliff Kingsbury now. He was a revelation for Jaden Daniels as a rookie.

55:22Mike Wright:David Blau. Blau. Blau, Blau, Blau. Taking over. David Blau. The defense was bad, guys. The backwards hat Dan, I mean, he's kind of like Doug Peterson. It really works in the beginning. That's how I feel about...

55:36Andy Holloway:We have the numbers, Andy. I don't know if you saw them. Okay, go ahead. So in 2024, head coach Dan Campbell went 10-4 in the regular season with... Dan Campbell? I'm sorry. Dan Quinn went 10-4 in games he wore a backwards hat.

55:51Mike Wright:Oh, we have backwards hat numbers. Yeah.

55:54Andy Holloway:Kyle gives us the stuff. Now, just something to note in that year, 2-0 with a beanie on. Just a side fact. Undefeated. 2025, it flipped. Head coach, backwards hat games, 3-12. 2-0 with a beanie. Oh, undefeated.

56:11Mike Wright:So he hasn't lost with a beanie in two years?

56:14Jason Moore:Correct.

56:14Mike Wright:And he looks better. What is the – How old is he? Get these numbers to Quinn. Because we've done some math on when you should be wearing a backwards hat. Don't you – Well, we don't. That's... Colin Coward? Yes. Well, we can lay claim to the head coaching. I mean, he can judge the quarterbacks with accurate stats. We can judge head coaches. Here's what I think. Head coach. I think if you win a bunch of games, you can do whatever you want. And I think if you don't, you look dumb and stupid. Like that haircut for Matt LaFleur?

56:45Jason Moore:It's going to look fine if he's a 12-win coach.

56:50Mike Wright:Yeah, and if you look like that... I'd get the Clippers ready. I'd get the Clippers ready. We like bad defenses for offenses to have potential. Jayden Daniels didn't get a play much last year. Three games with McLaurin. He only started seven total.

57:05Andy Holloway:We know the offense is going to look very different.

57:08Mike Wright:David Blau had good comments about McLaurin too.

57:10Andy Holloway:Because a lot has been made about the head coach and Cliff Kingsbury arguing about what the offense should be. Cliff is a very – it's a college offense where it's – everything is shotgun. And Dan Quinn wants people – he wants his quarterback under center more. He wants to get that – utilize that to great effect for the run game. And so I would expect that that will happen a lot. Now, what will Jaden Daniels' success be in that type of offense? because it's very different being the shotgun-only quarterback versus the under center. I mean, I think Jaden's good, so he'll be able to adapt to it, but it will be something to pay attention to, especially if he struggles early.

57:59Mike Wright:David Block came out and said he wants to run the offense through Terry McLaurin and get him 10-plus targets a game. That was one of the things that he said. He said that's going to be part of the goal of the offense, which you like to hear for fantasy. You do. Mike, you seem to be skepticism.

58:13Andy Holloway:How many times are you throwing the ball? 11. I mean, are you throwing the ball 28 times, and you're giving McLaurin 10 targets every week? It's just untenable. Okay. It's math. I don't know how untenable it is with their current depth chart. Because they don't have enough.

58:35Jason Moore:Who are you throwing the ball to here?

58:37Mike Wright:Yeah, name somebody. Chig Okonkwo. Well, there you go. What was your reaction? There's three. You didn't get to hear this guy lose. Lose has been Senate love. And Chig Okonkwo, do you think he'll be a pretty good asset for fantasy? Because Zach Ertz was a very good asset for Jaden Daniels. Zach Ertz is coming off major injury.

58:56Andy Holloway:And that was the limited version of Zach Ertz. Yeah, Okonkwo is still a young, healthy Okonkwo.

59:01Jason Moore:No, no chance he makes a huge impact for fantasy. Okay. You're out. Chig is fine. but there's like I said on the things remember I was a they're all they're all fine they all suck other than the complete outliers at tight end

59:16Andy Holloway:sure but it's just you do you think he could have an outlier year no

59:20Jason Moore:no I think he'll be even if he's a you know a top 12 tight end it'll be irrelevant I don't think he is as good as Zach Ertz I know Zach Ertz isn't as athletic as Okonkwo but there's way more to play in that position Zach Ertz is you know an all-timer at tight end And so, yeah, he was an old-timer, all-timer. But still, he got to good spots. I think this team is desperate for some skill position players. They've got to be just hoping and praying that Jeremiah Love drops to seven.

59:58Andy Holloway:Which I don't think he does, but I bet they take Tate or Tyson. Whoever they prefer. I think they'll take one of the three wide receivers.

1:00:08Mike Wright:That will definitely change everybody's tune on McLaurin's upside for that team if they add one of the big names. McLaurin's not young. No, he's not. All right, we are going to say goodbye for today's episode of the Fantasy Footballers. We will be going through a full recap of the biggest winners and losers of free agency as we recap all of that and kind of pick some of our favorites and the best situations on our next episode. and then we will do a regress or impress episode on Thursday. Catch you up on any of the latest news we haven't had a chance to talk about yet. Make sure you check out the Ultimate Draft Kit at ultimatedraftkit.com.

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