Fantasy Football - Week 4 Waivers & Streamers + Drops & Dart O'Clock! - Podcast for 9/23

11:04Jason Moore:That's fun. I'll watch that game. It's fun. Scadaboo is fun. And Malik Neighbors? That's a cool trio. It's a very nice core. If those three hit, and it looks like right now two-thirds, it's too early to know for sure that Scadaboo's going to hit. Abdo Carter, Tibidou, Tibidou, Tibidou. Tibidou. Tibidou. But Scadaboo is a guy who we all loved coming into this year, and I think it's already been established he can do it in the NFL. You didn't trade him recently, did you? Oh, I sure did. I traded him to you. Oh, crap. You didn't trade him recently, did you? Oh, crap. We both just recently got out of Camp Scadaboo.

11:43Jason Moore:We're trying to capitalize. I'm talking about the team leader in carries for the Giants this last week and the team leader in rushing yards and the team leader in rushing touchdowns and the team leader in targets. and the team leader in receptions and the team leader in receiving yards came Scadaboo this last week.

12:03Andy Holloway:And still they were like, Singletary, get out there. Get some snaps.

12:08Mike Wright:Ridiculous, but Tyron Tracy missing two to four weeks. That was a long Scadaboo distraction there. Brock Purdy practicing.

12:18Jason Moore:He better. That's dumb. That's stupid. This isn't news. He practiced all last week. I expect him to practice.

12:24Mike Wright:It was like third string peripheral snaps. It wasn't like good snaps.

12:30Jason Moore:But to say I expect him to practice, it's like, yeah, he practiced last year.

12:33Mike Wright:What if he said he – I expect him to play. I think it's important to report it because Mac Jones is hurt, and we need to know if one of those two guys is bad. And they play Thursday. Oh, speaking of – No, they don't.

12:42Andy Holloway:No, no, I was thinking of the Cardinals and Seahawks.

12:44Jason Moore:Speaking of Mac Jones, you had mentioned that comment about Mac Jones saying, like, oh, he had a good throw. I didn't understand what you meant when you talked about it on this show.

12:53Mike Wright:He didn't give any credit to the defender, and he's just like, yeah, the guy didn't. It's not like he did anything good. I couldn't believe the quote when I watched it.

12:59Jason Moore:Oh, did you watch it? I thought he was like, when you said it, I thought he was being tug-in-cheek, like, oh, that was all me. He was legitimately saying, what did he do? What, he caught a perfect pass? Like, he did, okay, I'm happy for him. He caught it. What? Mac Jones. This is, first of all, the dude made an awesome catch. You put it on his neck, which is a catchable ball. That's great, but that was a cool catch. Give him no credit, and then that guy's got something wrong between the ears.

13:26Mike Wright:But I did rip it. Oh, man. Oh, cool, you ripped it. You suck. Go back to the backup. All right, Nick Bosa, the next player siphoned by Christian McCaffrey. Really? Adam Schefter reporting Nick Bosa, ACL tear out for the season. Second time he's torn his ACL.

13:43Jason Moore:What do you do if you're the Niners? You're undefeated, right? You're 3-0. You have the easiest schedule in the entire league. you should be set up to make a run but your team is gone like you have no players no no no fighting

13:56Mike Wright:till you get some back and demarcus robinson is back yes demarcus robinson wide receiver who will matter oh he will he has to absolutely will because they joan jennings has been hurt and robinson is a good receiver and was looking good in the preseason he returns from his suspension this week as does jordan addison and uh we have jayden daniel still day to day we'll wait to hear from the Commanders. I hope he's playing. Samesies. CeeDee Lamb could miss three to four weeks with a high ankle sprain. The reports were all over the place. It was like, we're going to take 10 to 14 days to figure out whether it's going to take three to four weeks.

14:34Mike Wright:Yeah. That was the first report. It was like, we're going to take some time.

14:37Jason Moore:I dug in as much as I could to just see what the latest information is because then Jerry Jones was coming out saying he could go on IR.

14:44Andy Holloway:Jerry Jones also said, I think he's probably going to play this weekend. Well, C.D.

14:47Jason Moore:Lamb said, I think I can play this week, whatever. Nonsense. The most recent, I believe, accurate estimation is that he's going to miss the next two weeks, and then they will take it week by week from there. They didn't put him on IR. Usually an injury like this misses three weeks, so that's my expectation. Like, the way that I'm playing C.D. Lamb right now, and I've got him in too many places, unfortunately, he's going to miss three weeks, and then he should come back against the Washington Commanders in week seven. that's just my assumption and we'll adapt as new information comes to light mike evans is going to

15:21Mike Wright:miss multiple weeks because of a hamstring injury suffered in the jets game they're reporting it's not as bad as the one that caused him to miss three weeks last time but we'll see but he's going to miss three weeks tatavian sanders a high ankle sprain missing multiple weeks zach charbonnet full participant in the first uh estimated practice report so he should be back enough of the bad news man i also want to let you know that titans head coach brian callahan has relinquished his play calling job to their quarterback coach.

15:51Andy Holloway:So what's he going to be doing?

15:54Mike Wright:Head coaching, man. Time outs. Also, the Falcons. Challenges.

16:00Jason Moore:All the good stuff. Well, they fired their wide receiver coach. Who was definitely the problem. Problem solved. Well, no, no, no. There was another problem. OC was up in the booth. We got to bring him down to the field. Then he can see the flats up close. and what's going on well enough. But what's better? Genuine question, okay? Because you have two exact opposite approaches here. You have the Arizona Cardinals and the Falcons. Both teams not able to pass the ball right now, and they look really inept in the passing game. One team fired the coach, moves the offensive coordinator down, trying to make some moves.

16:35Jason Moore:The other is literally coming out. The Cardinals, John Gannon is coming out and saying, Drew Petson called the best game of the season. He has no problem with anything going on. He thinks it's basically ideal. Just everything's perfect. Which is the better approach? To build up confidence in your coaching staff?

16:54Mike Wright:At least you can make the comments. Marvin Harrison cost the Cardinals a ton of passing yardage. Yes. Literally possibly 150 yards in total receiving yards. So those two plays happen. At least Arizona probably wins the game. And they score a bunch of points. And they have a bunch of yards. So I was way – trust me, I hate the Cardinals. I hate them. I stared into the camera and told you yesterday I hate them. But it wasn't as bad as what I saw in Atlanta. I mean, Atlanta's offensive passing game the last two weeks, like you're going to get to the point where Kirk Cousins is your starter. Legitimately, if you want to salvage your season, if Michael Penix doesn't turn it around, I think that's possible.

17:42it was that bad 30 to nothing that's pretty bad i mean right now i look drake london is a trade

17:48Mike Wright:away for me he was last week he is this week i would not if i could go trade drake london for whatever amari and hampton or somebody in that category heck yeah you're bailing out i'm bailing out on drake london i'm not that he's going to be nothing but you didn't draft him to be an our wide receiver two right that's what he is i don't see that turning around personally but there's a lot of silence around me so I'm getting the impression that maybe you do I'm joking currently. I don't see him as a you're currently choking. Yes. Probably from watching some of that film I would be throwing up. That and phlegm.

18:23Jason Moore:The problems we have seen are legitimate and real I mean obviously hopefully they're they're making changes but Penix has looked really really bad and so if he is not the guy like you know I had big hopes for Drake London for the Falcons passing game. And that all hinges on, does Pennix have it? Because we haven't seen enough film. We're at six games, right? Yeah, and three weeks at the end of last year against three of the worst defenses out there. He's looked really bad so far.

18:57Mike Wright:They won a game, and this is a little bit of the Arizona story too. Atlanta won a game 22-6. In that game, Michael Pennix was the 32nd-ranked fantasy quarterback in a game they won 22-6. The Falcons winning ballgames does not need to involve 300 yards passing. It involves Bijon. And so that's the place where, like, I don't want Kyle Pitts right now. We have a waiver show today.

19:27Andy Holloway:Is Kyle Pitts on it for you?

19:29Mike Wright:Is he what?

19:32Andy Holloway:You were like, I don't want Kyle Pitts. We have a waiver show. So I was like, well, is Kyle Pitts a pickup for you? It's just a dumb joke, man.

19:38Mike Wright:Moving on. I still don't get it. I'm more on any side here. I still don't know what the joke is. But, yeah, look, I would be trying to move on from Kyle Pitts because I don't think the – Oh, yes! Yeah.

19:51Jason Moore:Yes!

19:52Mike Wright:Yeah. Yes!

19:55Andy Holloway:Breaking news. Now, hold on. Hit the lights. This one – no, I need lights for this. Woo, baby! Go ahead, Mike. You got to break the news. quarterback change for the New York Giants Jackson Dart will be starting on Sunday versus the Chargers New York Giants

20:13Mike Wright:Diarrhea is flushed

20:15Andy Holloway:Giants fans I'm so happy for you it's legitimately fun I'm so happy for you it's fun now

20:23Mike Wright:Do you think this is

20:30Jason Moore:actually good for Malik Neighbors yes

20:36Andy Holloway:I believe so longer term it might take a couple weeks honestly but you were headed to a dark dark place I mean neighbors

20:49Mike Wright:Russ throws it deep right yes two of neighbors three games have been bad exactly so is it really better for him it's better if you start to create a future of consistency. Whether that's intermittent explosions, I would think it's better to have a path towards consistency.

21:11Andy Holloway:Yep.

21:12Mike Wright:They also got Andrew Thomas back who dominated this past week.

21:16Andy Holloway:Yeah, I think it was – Jackson Dart can run the football. I thought I saw a stat of both tackles did not allow a QB pressure.

21:25Mike Wright:Which makes Russell Wilson's self-decapitation so terrible.

21:30Andy Holloway:Exactly. I mean, I'm excited. Jackson Dart looked like a dog in preseason. But if you're going to wear your eye black like that, you better be a dog right away.

21:41Mike Wright:All right, we'll find out. And we're one step closer to Jameis Winston. Oh, now there we get excited. It's a good question, though. There's no chance for Jameis to start, though, unless there was an injury, so I don't really want to root for that. But it'll be Jackson Dart, isn't it?

21:57Jason Moore:But the question is, if Dart were to go down to injury, Or do they go back to Russ?

22:01Mike Wright:Probably stupidly, yes. Unless Russ, which I recommend, requests his release. If Russ wants to go and request a release, that would be the best for everybody.

22:14Andy Holloway:What team do you want to go to, Russ? None. None. Just let me rest.

22:19Jason Moore:No, I didn't say what team wants you.

22:23Mike Wright:All right. Well, we got that news into the news and notes. Sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions. We are going to take a break, and then it's waiver wire time. And we'll see if Jackson Dart makes it.

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25:34Mike Wright:All righty, by the way, by the way, the bye weeks are coming. Week five. We're not quite there yet, but we're a week away. Bears, Falcons, Packers, Steelers for week five.

25:47Andy Holloway:I would say it's coming because next week you'll say they're here.

25:50Mike Wright:Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This would be the only time in which they are coming.

25:54Andy Holloway:Yes. No, I accept.

25:56Mike Wright:So make your plans. Something to factor in. They weren't like, hey, the British are here.

26:02Andy Holloway:It's like, no, the British are coming because they're not here yet. Right.

26:05Mike Wright:Yeah. But you've got to be scared. The bi-weeks are offshore. Yes. A little way. Yes. And they're going to make it to shore next week.

26:12Andy Holloway:And we've got to put the lanterns up. Okay. Yeah, this is perfect. Just some Revolutionary War jokes for everyone. Perfect parallel.

26:19Mike Wright:Let's start with the running back position. The big, huge must-add if he's there, but he's not there in every league. Trey Benson, of course, James Conner out for the season with the ankle injury surgery required. If we didn't report that, it's been confirmed. And Trey Benson will be taking over in Arizona. Trey Benson, a very capable young running back who is already looking pretty good to start the year. I mean, in the first week of the season, he was 8.6 a carry, had a 52-yard run, 4.7 the next week. Last week, 10 opportunities on the ground, 4.2 a carry.

26:53Jason Moore:Trey Benson reminds me of, not in necessarily play style exactly like of Kenneth Walker, but he's the type where he'll look like he has some bad vision and get stuffed a lot. But if you give him enough opportunities, he can break a long play. He has that explosive athleticism. So he hasn't had a lot of volume because he's been behind James Conner. Going forward, if he is getting a lot of volume every game, it'll be common and frequent for him to have big fantasy outputs, and it'll be a rest-of-the-season lead role. So he's not available in any league I play in. But if he was, you're dropping at least probably 60 % of your fab.

27:36Jason Moore:Yeah, that's the question is how aggressive.

27:38Mike Wright:Yeah, I'd be at 65 to 80. on Trey Benson. Running backs have been like, for some reason, I don't know if it's just distribution in the leagues that I'm in. I don't know if it's common from the leagues that you guys are in. They're very hard to find right now because you've had letdowns at the top. You've had the Chase Browns of the world that people don't feel comfortable starting. Running backs are hard to come by. They are a premium to me on the fab world. Would you aggressively trade for Trey Benson? I don't know if someone will let him go. I mean, I would rather have Benson than Bill. I mean, I made that offer this morning.

28:18Mike Wright:It'll get turned down, but the straight-up Krosky versus Benson, I'd rather have Benson. For sure. So, other names to mention near the 60 % range, Bashaw Tootin still out there, still scored again. He's a good player. Yeah, he looks good and he's

28:34Jason Moore:involved.

28:35Mike Wright:And it seems like, I mean, not that Etienne ended up putting a good game together, but Etienne is also the kind of guy that a coach is willing to give up on.

28:45Jason Moore:Yeah, yeah, he is. He's not their guy. This is who I traded for.

28:49Mike Wright:If he struggled, they would turn the page a little bit.

28:52Jason Moore:And he only ran for three and a half. So far, if you look at his yards per carry, week one, 8.9, week two, 5.1, week three, 3.5. I fully expect like a two-yard per carry game coming.

29:03Mike Wright:Amari Demarcato will be the secondary and pass-catching option for Arizona. Keep that in mind if you are in a deeper league and you need a spot start. I mean, there's a lot of players I'd probably start Demarcato over with how Arizona has a propensity to not use wide receivers. So, you know, I'd play him over Braylon Allen. I'd play him over Gainwell. I'd play him over Miles Sanders. Like, if you were in that category, Kareem Hunt, that would be close. but if you're full PPR, I'm telling you, like, DeMarcado's had games. Sure. He's had games in the past. So other running backs that you guys are looking at?

29:43Jason Moore:I think Ollie Gordon is a very interesting name because he's got the combination of I think he's good, which is rare for most of these names. Like, you know, you could bring up Chris Rodriguez Jr., who got the start ahead of Bill, had involvement, had, you know, double-digit carries. I don't think he's that good. I actually think Ollie Gordon is a good player. He's a rookie running back for the Miami Dolphins, and he was involved early in the game last week. He ended up only playing 25 % of the snaps, but early in the game it seemed like he was a real big part of the game plan. The first drive he had carries.

30:19Jason Moore:He had a couple good carries. He had a touchdown, and he's a rookie, so he's going to get more and more involved, and it does seem like the Dolphins need more weapons. It can't just be A-chan. so Ollie Gordon is probably one of the guys I'm most interested in Mike where are you with the

30:35Mike Wright:Chris Rodriguez commander situation and the Woody Mark situation where they're 0-3 the Houston offense looks atrocious but you know Nick Chubb is not bringing anything special to the offense

30:45Andy Holloway:man that's a that's a fair difficult question of Rodriguez will be capped he looked pretty good but he will be capped of this it's going to be three running backs in Washington and you'd rather have bill than both of the other guys i would at yeah at this point and but that's not saying like i'm clamoring for bill um so i if i need production immediately i guess chris rodriguez could give an 11 carries he started the game with two drives we don't know if that's a forever moving forward was that a hey man sorry you've been in and active the last couple weeks We're going to give you some opportunities.

31:27Andy Holloway:But Woody Marks is like, Woody Marks could be a boat. Like, he's that type of a player. He has juice, and the guy in front of him does not.

31:37Mike Wright:Where are you with Kareem Hunt and his startability right now? He's only 42 % rostered. Everybody rosters Pacheco. Pacheco's unplayable. Kareem Hunt, nobody wants any bit of, but he scored last week.

31:50Jason Moore:Man, I don't think I want either. If I had to start one of them, I would certainly start Kareem Hunt over Pacheco because passing work and goal line work are there. It just seems like that backfield is so split. It's funny because if you had to start someone this week, you'd probably start Kareem Hunt over a Woody Marks. But Woody Marks is, I think, on the way. He's on the way. Look at what has happened with Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb is playing 50 % of the snaps, and then Woody Marks, a rookie, started you know week one he was not very involved he was you know Damian Pierce was active back in the day um I remember when yeah and three weeks ago Woody Marks went from 11 percent of snaps up to 27 percent of snaps this last week up to 48 percent of the snaps while they've said okay Damian Pierce you're not active we're gonna get this player more involved he had eight opportunities so I just feel like it's it's coming and Chubb doesn't have unfortunately the offensive line

32:51Mike Wright:will not be improving. That is the biggest issue. Yeah, that's the biggest issue. By the way, a quick detour here because people like to know what's going on in our leagues. We have a 17-team chopped league. Oh, this is a good detour. I just want to look to Deucer's Alley here. Now, there's only three weeks into the season. There's 17 teams. There's a lot of different teams that could get chopped. Raise your hand in Deucer's Alley here if you have been chopped from that league already.

33:12Jason Moore:Oh, there's a hand. Oh, there's a second hand. What's funny is the only other guy I I think we've ever had back here in Deucers Alley, Raiden. I think he sat in a time or two. Yeah, Baby Jake. Baby Jake was the first chop. So he was like the lowest of the Deucers chopped. Then the second lowest of the Deucers got chopped next in the Falcon. Then the next lowest of the Deucers got chopped in Papa Josh. Owl. I'm not going anywhere. You've gone this week.

33:44Andy Holloway:It's the seating chart from Final Destination. Right. It's working its way through.

33:48Mike Wright:And if you're not familiar with a guillotine or a chopped league, lowest score of the week, you're done. And there's 1 ,000 fab in this league. How much fab did you have when you got cut, Josh? All of it. Yeah, what about you, Falcon? All of it. Oh, okay. Good work. All right. I had to bring that up because he's not in the league anymore, so we won't bring him up again.

34:09Andy Holloway:They say you can't take it with you, but they are. They are taking it with you when you die, yeah.

34:14Mike Wright:Other names to mention, you're looking at more of the kind of like Like, the Trey Benson situation is exactly why we tell you every week on this show to throw Blake Corum on your roster. Yep. You know, Braylon Allen.

34:26Jason Moore:Miles Sanders.

34:28Mike Wright:Yeah, and it's true. I mean, I may not like watching Miles Sanders run the football, but if Javante goes down, he's the guy. And the Cowboys just lost another lineman, didn't they?

34:38Jason Moore:Yes, they did. That's right. That's worth bringing up. The Cowboys' offense is going to be struggling.

34:45Mike Wright:They're in humongous, humongous trouble. They are the most delightful defense for any offense to play against. And frankly, yeah. Yeah. I mean, my worry was the offensive line to begin with to start the season. That was what I thought would get in the way of the Cowboys doing enough. And then they've lost two of them. And CeeDee Lamb now. Like, this is. It's going to be tough sledding. It's turning into a tough season for them. So, would you drop Tyrone Tracy with the injury? If you're moving towards some of these other guys. Yeah, I would probably would. These are drop candidates. Isaiah Pacheco, would you let him go?

35:16Mike Wright:I probably wouldn't.

35:17Jason Moore:If he was on waivers, we would be picking him up. We would, but he's like a landmine. He is. He's a landmine. But I don't think people are going to start him right now. He is a stash.

35:28Mike Wright:And you're done with Dylan Sampson. That was a nice run for a week or two. Oh, yeah. He's – yeah. See you later. Yeah, I mean –

35:34Andy Holloway:Jerome Ford is the third down running back. He'll be the guy in on the two-minute drill. And otherwise – Judkins is legit. He looks great.

35:43Mike Wright:Wide receivers. Let's talk about them. wide receiver pickups wide receiver drop candidates and uh again you can use ultimate dentish word to get a customized list of these guys relative to your league and who's available jordan addison is back just check your league just peak 81 rostered been drafted but you never know but let's talk about the uh the big big signing of the week i think and when when we started going through waivers at running back because we each put our rankings together i actually didn't have Trey Tucker at the top after the big week I'm like oh I'm not gonna overreact and then I moved him to the top this morning of overall or just the wide receiver okay that's fine of the wide because I actually like you need to pay attention to what this offense is doing right now with Gino Smith with the failures on the offensive line to run the football with Brock Bowers and the knee injury i was big on dante um on dante thornton he hasn't materialized and you had a first week where taekwon thornton was a top 24 wide receiver and he's out there this is the biggest part of it to me is yes you had the eight for 145 and three he's out there all the time he's out there 95 90 percent of snaps so taekwon thornton very explosive trey tucker oh gosh yes oh man i was like did i say that multiple times?

37:08Mike Wright:You did. Oh, that's a horrible podcast.

37:11Andy Holloway:I was letting you go because I didn't know where we were heading up. No, you should stop me

37:14Mike Wright:when I sound that dumb.

37:16Andy Holloway:He did eventually. Hey, stop.

37:18Mike Wright:Everything I said trains can't.

37:20Jason Moore:I love Michael Keaton.

37:22Mike Wright:Everything I said, find and replace anytime I said the wrong name with Trey Tucker. The whole point was Trey Tucker is on the field all the time. He doesn't love Taequann Thornton so much. Well, yeah. I mean, he's another name we'll bring up. But I do think Trey Tucker is actually valuable. I think he's important to talk about. Geno Smith can throw the ball deep. Brock Bowers has been a disappointment so far.

37:43Jason Moore:Brock Bowers was awesome, and then he hurt his knee, and then has been not the same Brock Bowers. I expect a couple more weeks of mediocrity from Bowers as he works his way back to health, and then he'll just be awesome Brock Bowers. Trey Tucker is a fine play. I don't think he is a great player despite his 145 and three touchdowns, but he's fine. And like you said, he's on the field all the time. This is a Raiders team that is probably going to have to throw more than they want. You know, they would love to give the ball to Ashton Gentry and milk leads, but they're not going to have them as often as they want.

38:19Mike Wright:I mean, when I look at the other names, is there somebody that you actually want over Trey Tucker?

38:23Jason Moore:Yeah, for me, Torrey Horton is a player that I want. Torrey Horton is very talented. He's a rookie coming in for the Seattle Seahawks. This last week in your fantasy leagues, He probably didn't get as much value as he brought to the Seahawks because he had the – was it a punt or a kickoff? I can't remember which. I think it was a punt return for a touchdown. But he's looked –

38:46Mike Wright:He also had a regular touchdown.

38:47Jason Moore:Yes. Yeah, he had two touchdowns in the game, one that scored for you for fantasy. But he has really looked good. He's avoided tacklers. He has played the part. and I think he's a better like you know when you talk about potential what could they become I don't think Trey Tucker can develop into something really special by the end of the year we're going you know that guy broke out and he is like a really really special guy Thornton still has a lot of room to grow so it's just a matter of what you need if I had to start one of them this week I think the floor is higher you know he's doing it Oh, man.

39:28Jason Moore:What's going on? You did. Torrey Horton. At least mine. At least mine rhymes.

39:34Mike Wright:Mine made sense because I said Dante Thornton.

39:38Andy Holloway:And Trey Tucker and Taequann Thornton is two Ts. Who are we talking about? I don't even know anymore. I'm going to jump in. Troy Franklin. Dante Thornton. Troy Franklin is someone that I'm still going after. The output was not what you had hoped after the week two sensation where he was the wide receiver two, but he's out there. Like these other guys, Trey Tucker, I'm fine going. I'm chasing after Trey Tucker. I don't think he's a rando enough that you just completely dismiss it, and he's a super speedy guy. Can he be the number two for a while for the Raiders where Torrey Horton's an exciting rookie, but you have two other established guys on that team.

40:29Andy Holloway:Denver, kind of the thing of the offseason was who will step up and be the number two guy. Marvin Mims was getting the snaps in the preseason. Those have evaporated. Franklin's the one who's getting the snaps. So he's the one I think I'm chasing the most. And he may not even be the most expensive.

40:48Mike Wright:So he's number one on your wide receiver list?

40:50Andy Holloway:I'll go verify that but I of the guys we've talked about so far and Horton's number one on your list

40:55Mike Wright:Jason yes so I am an are still out there Sterling Shepard will have a huge opportunity in Tampa Bay with the Evans injury even if Godwin comes back Sterling Shepard basically available in every single league he's a perfect spot start he's had four more targets in every game and those should go up and Baker's cooking so I mean you have opportunities to you know Philly's going to stop the run maybe sterling shepherd is a little spot start option for your team that is the cheapest in the fab department you know people may chase the three touchdowns of trey tucker like i'm they probably he's number one on my list because i think it will sustain he ran 37 routes last week or actually he's averaging that per game he's playing every snap and gino is a spot start i know for us this week sure so he's number one on my list but i'm not going to break the bank on him you have to and a lot of people might after chasing those numbers whereas shepherd is is rather free taekwon thornton legitimately talking about him this time right he was he had nine targets he was five for 71 and a touchdown he uh was so close to another touchdown on two separate plays made a great catch the week before had a touchdown he might be the best pickup

42:05Jason Moore:he's a great matchup against baltimore who has given up the most points in the league now granted the points that they gave up was against Buffalo and against the Lions, great offenses, but they're playing the Chiefs. How crazy is it that one of those two teams is going to be one and three? Yeah, that's fascinating. One of them will be a three-loss team into week four, the Chiefs or the Ravens.

42:26Andy Holloway:Now, are we saying the Chiefs are a good offense?

42:28Jason Moore:I was saying they've got a quarterback that can throw a ball to Thornton. You're not playing against someone incapable.

42:36Mike Wright:A good offense or a quarterback that can throw the ball to Thornton? Which one is it? A quarterback that could throw it to Thornton. Look, he's the best weapon they have right now. Now, Worthy, is he going to be back soon?

42:47Jason Moore:Hopefully. But it's still one of those over-the-top type of players that the Ravens have given up. And if you want to talk a spot start from an over-the-top defense that lets you go long, I mean, it'll sound weird, but Dontavian Wicks is matching up perfectly against those Cowboys. There was a play, if you didn't see the flea flicker from the Chicago Bears, and it was talked about afterwards that the coaching staff of the Bears kind of found that if you pull the Cowboys in, you can beat them over the top. They just found that. And it was so true that DeAndre Swift did the worst flea flicker pass back of all time.

43:27Jason Moore:He threw it 20 feet in the air.

43:29Andy Holloway:He did a softball slow pitch.

43:30Jason Moore:Yeah, and it gave the defense tons of time to react. Still worked.

43:35Mike Wright:Yeah, I mean, to me, that's why Matthew Golden is my start of the week this week.

43:38Jason Moore:I mean, for those reasons.

43:40Mike Wright:It is not Thursday. No, but it is. He is. You got to turn that down. He is. He's only 80 % rostered. He's the same as Addison. So you need to glance. That's a drop it like it's hot. People let go of Golden. He had seven opportunities last week in a week where the Browns were terrible. He is a must start to me.

44:00Jason Moore:Yes. Perfect. Either one of them. Someone is getting a bomb touchdown in that game.

44:05Mike Wright:Yeah, I agree. other names to throw out there, Luther Burden. Yeah, that's the... If you're going to put Horton on your bench, you can put Burden on your bench.

44:14Andy Holloway:Yeah, he's the other kind of stash type of a name. It was only three targets. Obviously, he hit the big play. But with the way that the offseason went, it was destined to be a slow burn, a slow start here for Luther Burden. Yeah, very limited snaps, so it's a stash. But both him and – we'll talk about Love when we get to tight ends. But, like, what is DJ Moore in this offense? Running back. And because Rome, you know, Rome seems to be just taking the wide receiver one position away from DJ Moore despite what the bank accounts say. And, you know, I've kind of said all offseason, like, Luther Burden would not surprise me if he ends up as the number two wide receiver.

45:03Andy Holloway:I don't know who the number one will be, but I think that Burden could just end up being that number two guy, especially if Ben Johnson starts figuring out, utilizing him in the slot and everything, Amon Ross style. So I think Burden is a good stash at the end of the bench. Well, if other people are burning fab to chase Trey Tucker and Taequann Thornton, then okay. If you don't need a start? Yeah, I'll just put Burden on the back of the bench and see what happens this week. A couple of – you go first.

45:34Mike Wright:Well, I was going to get to drop candidates. So if you have other players you want to mention, mention them first.

45:38Jason Moore:There's a couple of kind of injury situations. One is CeeDee Lamb is gone. So do either of you care about the other guys in Dallas that can step up? Yeah. Okay. Spot start. Moving from there, another deep one. Parker Washington had 11 targets. Diami Brown is injured in a PPR league. There's that. And then Christian Kirk. I don't know if we brought him up.

46:03Mike Wright:Kirk is worth bringing up. Eight targets and back for Houston, and they desperately needed him. Yeah. So, yeah, he's rostered in half of leagues. Drop candidate names are tough, man. They're tough ones. Josh Downs. It's been three Downs weeks for him, although the targets in week two was pretty good. Stephon Diggs, we see – like, Diggs is just – He's just there, man. If he catches the ball at some underneath eight-yard route where he falls down afterwards, it's not explosive.

46:31Andy Holloway:We have all the games on. All of the televisions are in the lobby. And I know Stephon Diggs is getting catches. You're just like, hey.

46:40Jason Moore:Have you seen one?

46:40Andy Holloway:No. Yeah. They feel like the most inconsequential reception ever.

46:45Mike Wright:Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley has 27 yards, 57 yards, 27 yards. New play caller. Io Manor is more valuable to me.

46:52Jason Moore:That's tough, man. Eight targets, six targets, seven targets. and air yards. It's a really hard drop for me.

47:01Andy Holloway:It is, but I think I'd plant a landmine. Travis Hunter?

47:05Mike Wright:Travis Hunter had good target numbers the first two weeks. Last week, just two. You just talked about Damian Brown's hurt. Parker Washington ended up with 11 targets.

47:12Andy Holloway:I'm not dropping Hunter, but I am benching him. Oh, man. We're very close to a drop.

47:19Mike Wright:Alright, we'll take a break and come back with tight ends, defense, and our streaming quarterback options.

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49:07Mike Wright:Alright Jason do you buy into Hunter Henry? We have Drake May finally at the helm and this connection has been very good. Last week 11 targets 8 for 90 and 2. if you are Pitts or Najoku or you know Kelsey like are you actively fab bidding on Hunter Henry

49:27Jason Moore:I think Hunter Henry is someone that you can pick up yeah if you've got David Najoku I'd rather roll out Hunter Henry right now I'm not spending up on Hunter Henry chasing an incredible game to touchdowns tons of targets Hunter Henry has done this plenty of times that we know that Hunter Henry can go out there and get 10 catches for 70 yards and a touchdown or two. This isn't the first or the second or the third time he's done it and then he'll go away. It seems like Diggs

49:56Mike Wright:though and DeMario and Douglas. Diggs and Douglas are invisible so I just wondered if maybe the offense is different for Drake May.

50:04Jason Moore:It is possible that it runs through Hunter Henry but really what we've seen and we don't like this for fantasy that much but Drake May has spread the ball around a lot, which is usually unfortunate for you. You want the consolidation of targets. So Hunter Henry is fully capable. You could chase this eight targets week one, 11 targets week three. But I don't think he's going to be a consistent eight target. Mark Andrews or Hunter Henry? I would take Hunter Henry. Isaiah Likely is going to come back. I just mentioned it earlier. Isaiah Likely is a pickup for me. I think that they will utilize him in the passing game more.

50:42Jason Moore:I know Mark Andrews had a humongous game this last week. Zay Flowers was taken out of the equation, and Mark Andrews was the beneficiary. But up to that point this season, we've seen Mark Andrews really utilized as a blocker more than as a field stretcher, and they haven't had likely.

51:01Mike Wright:Yeah, I'm prioritizing Henry. Cade Otten is to be paid attention to, but it's hard when he had... He's Cade Otten. I mean, he had a goose in Week 3.

51:11Jason Moore:I feel like Kate Otten is a fine pickup I really do they will have to throw it around Baker spreads the ball around a lot as well Buka can't catch he can't get 100 % of the targets

51:25Mike Wright:he's just been so bad so far this year it freaks me out I mean you're right we're talking about Sterling Shepard so we should be talking about Kate Otten

51:32Andy Holloway:he is the Charles Clay type of a player this is a Mr. Necessary You had a run last year of four straight weeks of a top 12 performance, tied in 12, 4, 2, 3. I wonder if he's not healthy. Yeah.

51:49Mike Wright:Because he was banged up and hurt and then playing through it.

51:51Andy Holloway:The way that he gets – every catch, he just gets exploded. So it's very possible he is hurt. The optimism I would have for him, if you're going to go into it, if you're going to dive into that pool, is now the game plan will be different. Exactly. They weren't planning for Mike Evans to strain his hamstring. Now we have to build it around the guys we have, and Cade Auten should see five plus targets.

52:18Jason Moore:Cade Auten's playing 90 % of the snaps too, so that's what you want. You want a guy that's on the field actually running routes.

52:24Mike Wright:And if you want somebody that has not been rostered by anybody but could be their starting tight end next week if Will Disley misses more time. Sure. Had seven targets, five for 46. Aranda Gadsden for the Chargers.

52:35Andy Holloway:The great Gadsden. Okay, thank you. I like it. Yeah? All right. Well, he's got to do something.

52:41Mike Wright:It's a tough name.

52:42Andy Holloway:He did.

52:43Mike Wright:He's top five for 46. G-A-D-S-D-E-N. Gadsden. Too many Ds in there.

52:48Jason Moore:Yeah, I feel like when you said it, you threw a T in there.

52:51Mike Wright:Gadsden? You thought I said Gat? No, Gadsden.

52:55Jason Moore:Gadsby? Like you hit the first D and the second D was a T. Gadsden. Oh, okay. It's Gadsden.

53:01Mike Wright:All right, thanks. We'll leave it to you. Gadsden. Defensive options this week.

53:05Andy Holloway:I want to throw out real quick. um this might be a longer term situation and he somehow is still rostered a ton but colston loveland he played five he's he's hurt though no i know but they're saying they're saying it's not a big deal so this is just more of a be aware of he ran five routes and per fantasy point five he ran five routes before he got hurt and per fantasy points he had three first read targets on those five routes so like that on paper that looked like a game where they're like hey we're gonna get burden burden and we're gonna get loveland we're gonna get them going so it just paying attention to it defensive options this week who do you like uh the defenses so you got the chargers

53:50Jason Moore:going up against now what will be a first start for jackson dart i think those are always good although i i prefer the second start once you get a little bit of film on them um the detroit Lions who just shut down the Baltimore Ravens. And they're a double up. They're going to be at home against Cleveland, which they will throw picks. They will take sacks. That's a great matchup. And you're saying it's a double up because the following week they're going to go on the road to Cincinnati and play against Jake Browning. Those are my two favorites. Might be a triple up. Kansas City Chiefs stink.

54:24Mike Wright:Minnesota was unbelievable last week and they're facing Pittsburgh this week. It is on the road, but Pittsburgh, that offense does not look very good.

54:31Jason Moore:No. I would pay up for the Texans as well going against Tennessee uh this week sometimes you just need to do a one week like pay three or four fab dollars to make sure you get a guy because if you end up scoring six more points at your defensive position that that could be the difference between

54:49Andy Holloway:a win and a loss do you prefer the Houston Texans against Cam Ward or the Washington Commanders

54:54Jason Moore:on the road against Michael Penix the Texans I think the Texans defense is is really really good it's going to be a struggle bus for cam ward this week the patriots are great too i mean they're at

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55:41Mike Wright:all right if you are in dire straits a quarterback you need a streaming option for this week who's

55:46Andy Holloway:it gonna be i'll kick us off because my game is first it is on thursday night samuel darnold here we are we what was sam darnold the reason the vikings were good it starting to look more and more like that is the case week one was brutal for darnold but then the next two weeks he has been really strong for fantasy and that includes qb 11 last week where he played just a portion of the game they are being very aggressive going down the field especially with JSN in this breakout that is happening. He ranks top 10 in pass success rate, completion percentage, yards per attempt, and sack rate. And on top of that, gets to take on the Arizona Cardinals, who are just not very good.

56:34Jason Moore:I'm going to go next with Gino Smith. If you believe in Trey Tucker as a pickup, a.k.a. Dante Thornton. A.k.a. Taequann Thornton. All the Thorntons, let's throw Bess in there. His name is also Thornton. Geno Smith, he was the quarterback for last week. Two of his three games, he has been at 10 or more yards per pass attempt. That is only Lamar and Geno have done that for context. That's as many games of 10-plus yards per pass attempt as Justin Herbert has for his entire career. So he's chucking it. He is slinging it. And Chicago's pass defense has not been very good. Their star cornerback, Jalen Johnson, just got surgery, so he will be out.

57:18Jason Moore:he's not out for the season but he's gone for a while a big over under 47 and a half it's indoors a lot of things I look for big Geno Smith is kind of a pickup and play and I want to remind people

57:29Mike Wright:Justin Fields could be a very good start this week if he's back off the concussion protocol they do he does get extra time with the Monday night football game facing Miami Miami's 25th against quarterbacks dead last in play success rate and expected points per play it's a really good matchup and Justin Fields has the legs. So if he's back from the concussion, which I don't know if we'll get word on that before Thursday, but just pay attention to that because I think he would be a streaming candidate. He had a great week one, a dud of a week two with the concussion, but definitely an option.

58:01Andy Holloway:Yeah, no, I'd go right back to Fields if I had him. You get Miami and then you get Dallas the next week for Justin Fields.

58:09Mike Wright:Speaking of Dallas, people want to know if they can drop Dak.

58:14Jason Moore:um man if so here's what you can't do you can't play Dak okay so Dak so then you got a roster to exactly I am I I have this situation in a lot of places where I have them I have the stack and because of that I am waiting I'm gonna roster Dak but what you have to do is you have to look at do you have enough bench space to actually roster two if you don't then you have to move on from Dak can cut him. But you should not be starting Dak right now. His schedule is brutal, and he doesn't have CeeDee Lamb, and he doesn't have a strong offensive line for a couple more weeks.

58:50Mike Wright:On tomorrow's episode, we'll talk some trades. We'll get into the Thursday night preview, and then Thursday, Friday, the matchup starts of the week. The fantasy face-off in the Wheel of Shame returns again on Friday. Whee! Whee! Whee! So that'll be the rest of the week. So thank you for joining us. Check out jointhefoot.com for the community and the Discord channel and the Ultimate Dashboard, and we'll be back for another episode tomorrow. Goodbye.

59:19Jason Moore:Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter at the FFBallers.

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