Fantasy Football - Week 9 Studs & Duds + Emotional Takes, Monday Punday - Podcast for 11/3

10:36Andy Holloway:Yeah. All right. Injury news. Here we go. Tucker Kraft, he suffered a right knee injury. He did not come back. Honestly, when I saw it, I thought he just got jammed in his knee, and so it was, oh, he's going to hobble off. We'll be all right. Nope. He went away. He did not come back, and now the initial fear is a torn ACL.

10:59Jason Moore:Which usually when that is an initial fear, it almost always comes true. Every now and then you get lucky and you escape. He's having an MRI today on his birthday. Happy birthday, Tucker. Happy birthday. Have an MRI.

11:13Andy Holloway:We appreciate you, brother, and that stinks. Matthew Golden left with a shoulder injury. Jaden Daniels, last night of the Commanders, it was a dislocated left elbow. The x-rays were negative. he's doing an MRI today to determine if surgery will be necessary I don't understand I mean I guess what that means is like

11:32Jason Moore:it was the bones were not broken but it's really hard to watch an arm in that direction and not think of it as a completely broken like x-rays were negative

11:43Andy Holloway:go look again but they'll have to do the MRI to see if any like tendons or anything tore I've seen optimism Yeah, there are some...

11:54Jason Moore:For as terrible as it looked, I've seen some options. Expert doctors saying that it's not even a guarantee that it would be a season-ender, however... Which is insane. I think it will be a season-ender simply because the commander season looks to be over. It has been ended, yeah. I mean, they're only a three-win team right now. They have lost Terry McLaurin. They have definitely lost the next mini-games for Jaden Daniels.

12:19Andy Holloway:They also lost Luke McCaffrey to a broken collarbone last night. If you missed the news.

12:24Jason Moore:Debo still has his heel issue. He's playing through.

12:27Andy Holloway:Yeah, they lost Marshawn Lattimore on defense. They think he has a torn ACL. If you missed the news on Terry McLaurin, obviously you saw he wasn't playing last night. However, if you missed it, he's going to, we're expecting him to be held out through the Week 12 bye. So, man, just.

12:46Jason Moore:Yeah, they're going to lose a couple more games here, and then at that point you're not going to rush back your future of your franchise to win a couple more games when you're not even competing for the playoffs potentially at that point. So I do see this as a season ender, which means big things for everyone else involved as well. Zach Ertz playing with Mariota has not been as good.

13:06Andy Holloway:You know, on and on. Rams wide receiver Pukunakua left in the second half yesterday with a rib slash chest injury. He returned to the sideline with his helmet. He did not go in. The quote from McVay on the injury quote, I think he's going to be good. He got his ribs. He could have come back in the game, but we kind of had command. Kind of had command. He's just trying to be nice. But that's positive. Because when you hear Puka, Puka is down, you freak out and you go, how many weeks?

13:38Jason Moore:Hopefully it's done. And he just came back. And it was so nice.

13:42Andy Holloway:It was like, oh, yeah, I love having Puka back. Vikings running back Aaron Jones left the game with an AC joint sprain. Initial belief is it's minor and he could play next week. That's TBD. He was playing pretty well. Looked good. Then we got some concussions. CJ Stroud took a nasty hit and then hit his head on the ground. Bears tight end Cole Komet. Back in, back out. Deami Brown for the Jags left with a concussion. Then Brian Thomas Jr. injured his left ankle in the fourth quarter. tried to return with it taped but he sat out overtime probably a high ankle sprain so you could miss some weeks and all of a sudden Parker Washington becomes goodness gracious fantasy star could be it could be I mean he had a good game you know with Brian Thomas playing now it's like he's the last man standing Samaj AP Ryan for the Bengals he left with an ankle injury they're going on by but if he misses time Chase Brown will be on a rocket ship of fantasy points Kayshawn Booty for the Patriots.

14:43Andy Holloway:He left early with a hamstring injury. And then Kyle Shanahan talking about Brock Purdy's toe injury. Quote, something that probably won't fully go away all year, regardless of when he comes back. He went on. What else did he say? Oh, Purdy was not that close to playing this week.

14:59Jason Moore:So Shanahan is letting us know Purdy was not that close to playing this week. Now, Shanahanigans, we haven't believed anything. Brock has been told where he's close to coming back every single week. now all of a sudden we're saying he's not close i don't believe you if he plays this week we just

15:16Andy Holloway:know do whatever the opposite of whatever shanahan says yeah the fact that we are now at five missed games for brock purdy means that the 49ers didn't know what they were dealing with because you don't you don't put your you you put him on ir like you give him the time you create the flexibility in

15:36Jason Moore:your schedule seems like some things have have gotten worse along the way and obviously he he was injured he came back in week four and that made it way way way worse so I think they are saying we want him for the playoffs right NFL playoffs so if we could give him an extra month on top of everything just to make sure he's okay when he comes back it doesn't re-aggravate it the better and they're still winning games i mean they you know they it was uh closer than it shouldn't have been mccaffrey but they they won this week so yeah i mean it's it's a bummer that

16:14Andy Holloway:we don't have purdy yet i feel like i know kittle's missing george kittle is the the player for sure where you're like will he get unlocked without brock purdy but brock purdy loves throwing to george kittle especially touchdowns that was news and notes sponsored by progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and third-party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions. Let's talk about them studs. This week's Fantasy Stud Muffins presented by Lowe's. Caleb Williams. Goodness gracious.

16:56Andy Holloway:280 and 3. 5 for 53 on the ground. And two receptions, including a receiving touchdown. I think they ran the Philly specials. It looked like, oh, my goodness. And we'll just combo this in because it was the same game. My dude, Joe Flacco.

17:18Jason Moore:You've been very, very, very bullish on Joe Flacco.

17:22Andy Holloway:Joe Flacco, it was, I knew when I was talking about him, it was, are you willing to accept the risk of the shoulder? If you did, you were rewarded with currently the number two fantasy quarterback on the week. 31 of 47 for 470 yards and four touchdowns. 470 was Joe Flacco's career high in a single game. This game was awesome for what I like.

17:50Jason Moore:It was awesome for what everybody likes except for Bengals fans. I mean, this was... I mean, Bears, you don't want to see your defense do that to Joe Flacco. Just back and forth. It looked like the Bengals were going to destroy. Joe threw touchdowns early and often and just got off to this blazing start. Then the Bears battle back. Then they take a massive lead, and you're like, oh, the Bears just destroyed the Bengals. And then the Bengals, he threw a touchdown late in that game, and you were like, oh, that is the stinkiest garbage. You were playing Flacco in our league of record, and you're like, oh, delicious, how stinky that garbage time touchdown is.

18:32Jason Moore:And then they came back and took the lead.

18:34Andy Holloway:So it wasn't garbage time at all. Is Kyle on the mic? Do we have him here? Kyle, I don't know if you can help me confirm this. I think they scored two touchdowns in like 59 seconds. It was absurd because they got the onside kick. But that game was great. Bye week. Kyle's going to look real quick. But it's a bye week for Flacco. Good. Rest up that shoulder after throwing for 47 times with a sprained joint. Caleb Williams gets the Giants next week. Josh Allen, ho-hum. He good. Another good game. He's 5-1 versus Mahomes in the regular season. He's going to want to fix that in the playoffs. Justin Herbert.

19:16Yeah.

19:17Andy Holloway:Justin Herbert. This game was weird. like this one there was a couple games as they do every week there's a couple games where you just this does not go anywhere near what it should on paper or what you expected the oh the bangles it was 49 seconds i apologize for the bangles two touchdowns justin herbert against tennessee starts this game basically with a pick six then tennessee has a uh what was a punt return yeah

19:46Jason Moore:they scored turn by by i think it was was a dk they scored on defense they scored on special

19:50Andy Holloway:teams and they basically didn't score on offense yes and and then that turned into a negative game script justin herbert 250 and two he also had 57 rushing yards and a rushing touchdown yeah he

20:02Jason Moore:looked he looked great and um all the receiving options i mean it's what we expect what we have been saying like with quentin johnson getting the touchdown it's like you you're just you need to play all of the chargers receivers and no sometimes it will go bad it will be a goose every now and Now, if you can't handle that on your roster, if your roster is not built that way, then look for a Parker Washington who won't goose but won't have the ability to put up 25 points in a game. These chargers are guys I want in my lineup.

20:34Andy Holloway:Jackson darts. The rookie continues. 191-2 through the air. 8 for 56 in a rushing touchdown on the ground. He is averaging almost 9 fantasy points per game just on the ground. And he is the quarterback three in total fantasy points since becoming the starter in week four.

20:54Jason Moore:Yeah, he's averaging 22.3 fantasy points per game. It's been awesome. And he has no weapons. You know, he's lost everyone. Darius Slayton, I still think, is a good play on a weekly basis right now. And Dart's getting it done on the ground so much. He has four of his six games where he has rushed for more than 50 yards on the ground. That's a touchdown. You know, so it's more than a touchdown in four-point leagues. Mr. Dart, please stop getting hit so hard. Oh, I know.

21:26Andy Holloway:There were a couple of plays where it's like, you can't play this way for a long career. You got to pick and choose when you're going to take the hit. And he chooses the hit every time right now. Sam Darnold, this was absurd against the Washington Commanders last night. He ends 330 and four passing touchdowns. but it was just perfection. He only had three incompletions. He didn't have one pick, but he played incredible, near-perfect football last night.

21:59Jason Moore:He played such good football that he was only the quarterback five on the week because they just destroyed him, and they didn't need to throw the ball anymore in the second. It was like by halftime, I think he had four passing touchdowns and no incompletions. Every time they got the ball, it was like, check this out. Let me throw the ball perfectly in stride for touchdowns to everyone. Torrey Horton, JSN, everyone got involved. It was a real primetime show.

22:29Andy Holloway:Matthew Stafford, 281-4. He leads the NFL with 21 passing touchdowns. He's one of five quarterbacks since the year 2000 with a touchdown-to-interception ratio of 21-2 or better through the first eight games. He's playing incredible. He was a, I won't say a difficult start, but it was like the kind of start where you're a 14-point favorite. Do you actually get a ceiling game? And we did. And it was everyone. Like Stafford, four passing touchdowns. Kyron Williams, currently the running back four on the week. It was like everybody was eating in the Rams game. And still, Devontae Adams around the goal line.

23:13Jason Moore:Yep. It's just like, it's automatic. How do you not? I feel like you've got to put two guys at the line wherever Devontae Adams is. And then Kyron will just walk in.

23:22Andy Holloway:Geno Smith. Maybe this was just a Brock Bowers problem. Or Brock Bowers solution. Because Brock Bowers. Holy crap.

23:32Jason Moore:I can't believe I had to play against Brock Bowers.

23:35Andy Holloway:But Geno ended 284-4 in the game against Jacksonville. He's playing Denver next week. Good luck. Lamar was awesome on Thursday. and then Michael Penix had three touchdowns. Yeah, it was all right. Drake London. There were some weird play-calling choices by the Falcons this week.

23:52Jason Moore:That was another one of those weird games where it was like the Patriots just dominated the Falcons, just completely looked like they were going to obliterate them, controlled everything, and then lost the game.

24:07Andy Holloway:Yeah, because of bad play-calling, honestly. All right, we're going to take a quick break, and we'll be back. We're going to talk some running backs.

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25:46Andy Holloway:Number one on the week, Christian McCaffrey. I mean, 28 for 106 with touchdown, five for 67 with a touchdown through the air. He's the 49ers. He has the seventh most receiving yards in the NFL. He's a running back. This year has been unbelievable. Rico Dowdle. Oh, man. Holy crap. The eunuch.

26:11Andy Holloway:We were

26:12Jason Moore:watching. So if you yeah, people are like, what? The eunuch? So Dowdle in that game. Oh, man. He was dealing with a groin injury already and he had two different times in that game where it was he tore it he ripped it again yep he was down on the field he's holding his groin yes and just really hurting and then it's like wow he's gonna he's gonna miss some time he's probably not back

26:38Andy Holloway:next week we uh i was lamenting because he was already looking awesome yeah and then he went he was in clear pain jogs off and it's like oh my gosh the panthers finally do the right thing they give him yeah rico's the starter we're done with this splitting with chuba we're just gonna play the best guy. And now he's gone. Groin injury. Wait a minute. It's like two plays later. Yeah, he's back in there. He's awesome.

26:59Jason Moore:That was number five. Rico is playing through this and then it happened again and he's like, so he's got no groins left. He has nothing left to tear. And he doesn't care. I mean, Rico got that dog in him for sure. Oh, yes, he does. He just doesn't have a groin. That's why he's the eunuch.

27:17Andy Holloway:But man, he was good. 25 for 130 and 2 against the Green Bay Packers. maybe Rico Dowdle is very, very good. The Chicago Bears. Do-do-do-do. Manonga. Kyle Manonga. Seventh round rookie running back. Gets the start. Gets it at the perfect time. Against the Cincinnati Bengals. Goes 26 for 176. Three receptions for 22 yards. Did everything but score. What a game. And Kyle has a note here. Here's seventh round rookie running backs with 30 or more touches in a game since 1987. We had one in 1989 by the name of Marion Butts, who played for, at the time, the San Diego Chargers. 1990, Johnny Johnson. For the Phoenix Cardinals.

28:09Andy Holloway:That's also incredible. These names. Johnny Johnson. Marion Butts. Johnny Johnson and Kyle Monongai. Dude, those are some names right there. But there will be discussion. I don't think I'm not on the side of that none guy just stole DeAndre Swift's job.

28:24Jason Moore:Swift has been playing awesome. This is a team that I think wants to institute what we saw in Detroit where you've got Gibbs and Monty, and it looks like they've got like a Gibbs light and a Monty light. I mean, to hit on Monty light in the seventh round. But also do not get ahead of ourselves because this was the Bengals defense. Sure. and they're awful they are diaper

28:53Andy Holloway:they made Justin Fields look good just a couple weeks ago

28:57Jason Moore:man the Bengals defense is just so fun Josh Jacobs

29:02Andy Holloway:he scores pretty much every week Kyron Williams the fears of Blake it was weird it was a lot of Blake Corham

29:09Jason Moore:I don't know I feel like he had a good game

29:12Andy Holloway:but Kyron was 25 for 114 in a score He did not have a reception, but he continued to get it done.

29:18Jason Moore:Yeah, Blake Corum got 13 carries for 58 yards, four and a half a clip. He looked good. He had some good tackle break. Everybody for the Rams looked good. Puka was fine. Devontae Adams was fine. Stafford was great.

29:34Andy Holloway:Kyron. Ashton Gentry. He came through with a good week. The 13 for 42, that's what I expected on the ground. I was a little nervous about Gentry. But then five receptions for 47 yards and a touchdown. 91 % of the snaps. A season high. So while Jacksonville was able to shut him down on the ground, they got beat through the air. Jalen Warren touchdowned his way to being a top fantasy option. Chase Brown, it still continues to work for him while Joe Flacco was there because 14 targets. Come on. 14 targets.

30:08Jason Moore:14 targets for a running back.

30:11Andy Holloway:Because they know what they're doing. Because it's 11 for 37 on the ground, man. Like, it wasn't going. And they're running through the air.

30:19Jason Moore:Yeah, well, the thing is, is Joe's got the bum shoulder. He can't move in the pocket very much, not quickly enough. And they've got a bad offensive line. So it's snap the ball, get it out. Snap the ball, get it out. The easiest way to protect your quarterback is to throw to the running back, not have the running back sit there and try to pass protect.

30:35Andy Holloway:Right. R.J. Harvey, he scored through the air again. It was five targets for 51 yards and a score.

30:40Jason Moore:yeah this was utilization we talked about like this is a trap last week's breakout was a trap because he didn't play that many snaps didn't get that involved he just he was playing against the Dallas Cowboys defense another one of those be careful and then he ended up with a good like a really good game simply because he caught that touchdown but he you know he had two carries he had two carries in the game this was not oh he took over um he's still playing the vast minority

31:11Andy Holloway:of snaps travis etn jason your start of the week 22 for 84 on the ground five for 31 through the air so much better per ian hartitz friend of the show travis etn got tackled at the one yard line five times five times over the course of three different drives and he scored zero touchdowns

31:30Jason Moore:He could have had three rushing touchdowns. And it wasn't like he was playing bad. Right. He was playing really, really good. He got him down to the one-yard line several times.

31:41Andy Holloway:Yeah. And then they're like, we got to get the toot man in. What's funny is when the toot man got in, I allow it in my heart because Etienne got

31:51Jason Moore:two carries ahead of him on the goal line. It didn't work. Gotcha. And then Etienne. But what was a shame to me was when Etienne was given the ball, it was like jumbo, like stack the box, and then try to run it. We're high T. We're going to be men. Let's spread it out. Get Tootin back there. Still hand it up straight up the middle. But it's like, oh, look how much easier it was for him.

32:13Andy Holloway:I prefer that. I mean, there's a couple running backs where if you want to go heavy, jumbo, we're stronger men than you. Or certain O-lines. Yeah, yeah. That's fine for some of them. For the vast majority, though, spread it out. Get players out of the box and then run for a yard. It seems to work a lot better. Wide receivers. Drake London. He was force-fed. He got three receiving touchdowns and 118 yards. T. Higgins, nine targets, seven for 121 and two.

32:45Jason Moore:It's really funny when we go through these studs. Like Drake London, amazing game. I had him. He was great. T. Higgins, terrible game. I played against him, and he was great. The emotional, like, I was like, man, I was so upset that T had that monster game.

33:00Andy Holloway:One of his touchdowns, I mean, it'll be a highlight for the year. It was a great, you know, fully outstretched arms. Managed to tap the ball to himself. It was a great touchdown. Jamar Chase still had six for a 111, but T Higgins was.

33:14Jason Moore:It's almost like Chase needs to be in the pooped in your pants segment with 111 yards. Like, you're really disappointed.

33:23Andy Holloway:That he only had six for 111. Devontae Adams and Puka Nakua were both excellent for fantasy Adams. Another two touchdowns. Puka did score. He got a receiving touchdown. Which is, that's wild. That's rare. When Puka gets those, you know you're going to have a great week. Torrey Horton, rookie for the Seattle Seahawks. He was one of our official Dynasty Nasty Boys of the summer. Four for 48 and two. He had the opportunity because Cooper Cup was out. and we'll see. We'll see if you can put the genie back in the lamp.

33:57Jason Moore:He's made a lot of plays this year. Not all of them show up on your normal box score because they've been in special teams. His return game, he's got touchdowns there. But even, you know, I mean that is his fifth touchdown on the season. We're halfway through the year in his rookie season. He has certainly shown that he's like not. He belongs. Yes, exactly. He belongs here. And so going forward, maybe from a dynasty perspective, but maybe even a redraft normal league going forward as Cooper Cup gets older every day, Torrey Horton, if he gets the opportunity, I think he'll make the most of it.

34:38Andy Holloway:JSN continues his reign of terror upon the NFL 8 for 129. Pop Douglas, he was the Patriots wide receiver of choice this week.

34:46Jason Moore:Man, that booty injury was booty because I think he was started in the vast majority of leagues. I started him in two different leagues. He had been really, really involved. And obviously Drake went out, had a very good game, had a touchdown to Pop Douglas, had a touchdown to Diggs. And you just never know how it would have gone if booty got to play.

35:08Andy Holloway:DJ Moore comes through with one of the weirder games 4 for 72 through the air 1 for 17 and a touchdown on the ground and then he threw a touchdown yeah okay I mean he probably did that on a lot of benches out there Rasheed Rice 4 for 80 he had a rushing touchdown he's just seemed like another one of those weirdly disappointing games sure like he was very good but it was like yeah I wanted more of course The Colts game, that was one of the upside downs. The Pittsburgh Steelers defense decided they were good again.

35:46Jason Moore:They are Jekyll and Hyde, man. They've had a couple of really outstanding defensive performances, and then the others are like, target this team.

35:53Andy Holloway:Yeah, so that game went completely upside down. It was all turnovers. I expected the Colts to be up, and then we would get some points done from the Steelers as they try to catch up. Jonathan Taylor.

36:06Jason Moore:It was the opposite. it johnny the taylor having a monster game instead it was daniel jones having to throw the ball what

36:11Andy Holloway:did they i think they turned the ball over five times yeah daniel jones had a poor nfl game yeah let's see for fantasy he was he's still he's still the qb12 and yeah he was okay he had to throw the

36:24Jason Moore:ball 50 times right you don't usually have as many interceptions as he had and then end the day without a disastrous score but he was all right michael pitman jr uh my start of the week this week was awesome nine for 115 on 12 targets uh alec pierce 115 yards i mean they they had to

36:42Andy Holloway:throw it a lot alec pierce i mean we've he's been uh coming up a lot on this show but it's just let's uh i think i think alec pierce needs more respect than we actually give him amen rossst brown great game jamison williams four for 66 touchdown he's alive hey hey after the uh hey squeaky wheel you know the narrative that the coach was talking about it at the tight end position welcome back brock bowers 12 for 127 and three yeah the three was three darts was too

37:16Jason Moore:much for me um it was funny because so brock was my start of the week and the first touchdown i was like yes that's awesome he was he was good now no more and then he was just getting started goodness gracious was he good I mean 12 of 13 targets received 127 yards he was the exact guy we saw week one when he was healthy who was who we saw rookie year who is probably the tight

37:46Andy Holloway:end one rest of season yep he looked very healthy and ready to go and your start of the week Colston Colston Loveland had himself a very good game. And then the final target turned into Dogstown Dogland.

37:59Jason Moore:I will say this. Huge applause. Huge applause. He tried to downplay what happened. Because he broke his first tackle.

38:09Andy Holloway:He broke two on a walk-off gigantic touchdown. It was awesome. It was awesome.

38:15Jason Moore:That was a dog. I mean, those tackles were pretty. What?

38:20Andy Holloway:no wrap up just trying to yeah but that's the whole point if you if you are mason taylor mason taylor explodes into pieces after getting hit on like that yeah all right look i don't want

38:30Jason Moore:to denigrate an awesome game he looked great i mean we we talked about this when we talked about him in the start of the week segment it was like he he is a very good play this week the bangles were yes the team to target for tight ends they have allowed 12 touchdowns to the tight end

38:46Andy Holloway:position crazy no other team has allowed more than six yeah so um it is very awesome to see

38:53Jason Moore:and you are hopeful that this is the beginning of the new norm for him being very involved it's tough like i probably won't start him next week depending i mean depending on cole commit cole commit is out then he would be because cole commit left this game um with a concussion and so that was helpful to him. The Bengals were helpful to him, both on offense and on defense, because they kept having to throw the ball, even last second walk-off. What an exciting game, but I'm optimistic, but I'm not going to flip the switch that it's an every week start.

39:30Andy Holloway:Dalton Kincaid, the post-hype sleeper run. He seems like he should be an every week start. Yeah, I keep pushing back and being like, the dude's playing half the time. He's not out there running a full allotment of routes, and yet he keeps getting it done. You would have two weeks that you have started and that you'd be bummed. And the other ones, you're very, very happy.

39:57Jason Moore:Yeah, and at that position, you're hoping for 50 % of your games you're happy with at tight end. He is the number one best receiver for Josh Allen. And I think that's pretty much all you've got to know.

40:11Andy Holloway:Yep, I think that is true. Sam Laporta, 6 for 97, and an absolute dog of a touchdown. Dog touchdown. If you did not see it, it was Sam Laporta. It was awesome. You can't tackle me is what he said. Huge breakaway run. Obviously, look, he's a big tight end. He's not faster than everyone, so he does get caught near the goal line. I think it was three defenders start trying to bring him down, but he keeps fighting.

40:36Jason Moore:He smelled the end zone, man, like a dog. He smelled that food and was like extra juice flowed through his veins.

40:45Andy Holloway:And he fought off the tackles long enough for the other players on his team to catch up and push him in. It was a great touchdown. It was very fun. Mark Andrews caught two passes on Thursday night. Yeah, baby. Mark Andrews had two touchdowns on Thursday night. Dalton Schultz, 6 for 77. The slowest man alive, but he got it done. Travis Kelsey was, oh, man. Travis Kelsey's in the stud section?

41:09Jason Moore:Yeah, he shouldn't be. Sheesh. I mean, you know, some weeks, like he's the tight end 8 right now, so he can't be too disappointed of the players that most people played. You're okay. You might have outscored your opponent.

41:23Andy Holloway:But 4 for 66 is just mid. And Jawan Johnson, he caught a touchdown from Tyler Shucks. Chuck. Man, I got Tyler Shucks in my head. I need Shaheed traded.

41:36Jason Moore:I'm sorry, Tyler. You need what? Oh, Shaheed? I need him traded because Olave had his season low. We will be talking about him a little.

41:44Andy Holloway:Is he in the duds? He's got to be in the duds. I guess he is. All right, quick break, and then the duds.

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42:57Jason Moore:Pooped in his big boy pants. Well, well, well. Patrick Mahomes. The mighty have fallen for a week. This is an interesting stat. Josh Allen recorded his highest completion percentage of his career in the same game that Patrick Mahomes recorded the lowest completion percentage of his career, 88 % to 44%. Literally, he doubled up Patrick Mahomes. Buffalo got the win, and they just outplayed the Chiefs.

43:29Andy Holloway:Jordan Love, Jason. It didn't work. Yeah, that's what I get. You didn't see the mighty Carolina Panthers. Oh, dude, the Carolina Panthers. Showing up to hold Jordan Love to 26 for 273.

43:41Jason Moore:You know, it's funny. I don't want to overstate or understate what we're seeing from Carolina, but we need to at least question our priors and see them as maybe a good team. The Panthers? The Panthers. I mean, if you look, when Bryce Young has started, they've won their last four games. One of them was against Dallas. This one against Green Bay in Lambeau. Now that they've got a running game that is... I was going to say, what's the correlation with Rico Dowdle being the dude? I mean, it makes sense. It's going to keep your defense off the field. It's going to open up the passing game. So this is, you know, coming up the next two games, New Orleans and Atlanta.

44:29Jason Moore:Two very winnable games. You could have a team that looks like they're playoff bound here. So give them credit.

44:36Andy Holloway:Rico Dowdle, off of his 1 ,000-yard season with the Dallas Cowboys, was forced into signing a one-year backup deal for the Carolina Panthers. Where he was forced to become the starter because he was Rico no Dowdle. Daniel Jones, I mean, you've got to talk about it because he had a really bad game. He still sort of came through for fantasy football, but it was horrific. Weeks one through eight, three turnovers. That's what Daniel Jones has caused or allowed, I should say. Week nine, three turnovers. You know what's crazy about Daniel Jones?

45:12Jason Moore:He's been so good this year. Was it only? I thought it was more. I thought it was four. He lost a fumble. He lost a fumble. So maybe it was just four turnovers.

45:21Andy Holloway:He had three interceptions, and I mean, he's credited for three fumbles. I don't remember how many he fully lost. At least one. Yeah.

45:28Jason Moore:so the the sad thing with Daniel Jones so far this year and it's been good for all the receivers it's been good for the offense so I'm not I'm not too upset about it but it's worth noting he's not running the ball like he's on pace for over the entire season he would be on a 17 game pace of 170 rushing yards right I mean Daniel Jones has always been a true dual threat up with you know he's running for 500 yards um you know you see what like Drake May and Bo Nix have been doing with their legs. That's what we've always historically seen Daniel Jones do. Maybe now that he's got an offensive line that can protect him and he can actually be more of a pocket passer, or he's just older.

46:07Andy Holloway:The running back position, the Colts failed, so Jonathan Taylor failed. 14 carries for 45 yards. This was a big-time bummer. His longest rush was only nine yards. He does get to take on the Atlanta Falcons next week. We will see. Alvin Kamara. Sheesh. From Nick Underhill, the Saints had a time of possession of 16 minutes and 7 seconds. That was the 13th lowest in NFL history. It was not the debut that the Saints were hoping for for their second-round rookie quarterback. Jameer Gibbs, 9 for 25, only three catches for three yards. Yeah, that was a really disappointing one. It's the fewest yards from scrimmage in a game in his career.

46:48Jason Moore:Yeah, I mean, when I looked after the game, you know, because I was watching it live, obviously. David Montgomery was on my bench. she gets a touchdown I was like okay whatever and then when I looked after the game I was like I did not realize how bad Jameer Gibbs was he was that was really disappointing 28 total total yards

47:08Andy Holloway:and speaking of disappointments Kamani Vidal against the Tennessee Titans after what he had been doing 12 for 30 one target no receptions this one was my biggest whiff my biggest disappointment of the week. I thought Vidal was going to smash in this situation against the Tennessee Titans, but their defense showed up. They rallied a bit there. I mean, the Chargers still won, but very, very disappointing and bummer of a game there for Kamani Vidal Sassoon. And it really... Kamani Dandruff or whatever.

47:41Jason Moore:Yeah, it was disappointing too because I felt like I don't have the data, the snap percentages in front of me, Kyle. Maybe you can look it up, but they were... I felt like they were getting other guys involved, whereas the previous week when Vidal went off.

47:55Andy Holloway:I'm guessing it's because Vidal was not being effective.

47:58Jason Moore:Yeah, possibly.

48:00Andy Holloway:Let's see who else we got. The Texans guys, they're on here as well. Yeah, both Woody Marks and Nick Chubb. J.K. Dobbins was a bummer. We were kind of worried about him against Houston, but it was even worse than we thought it was going to be, 15 for 61.

48:19Jason Moore:Yeah, the Texans' defense, they are one of the best in the league, and you have to change expectations when going into that matchup. The Broncos sneaked out a last-second victory there, but it was just like we talked about. We said on that matchup, this is a game where the winner of the game, walking away with a W, might not have 20 points scored, and the game went down 18-15. So Kyle pulled it up. Vidal was 72 % of the snaps. Oh, wow. He was still on the field. Jarrett Patterson, I know, was like he had to play a third of the snaps, but maybe it was just Vidal sucking.

48:59Andy Holloway:Zach Charbonnet, 8 for 25, 1 for 21. Walker did play way more snaps this week over Zach Charbonnet. They only gave him the ball 11 times on the ground, 11 for 42. Two targets for 19 yards. A weird game. uh jacori krosky merits oh boy i i don't i don't know how you can start him yeah i mean especially

49:23Jason Moore:going forward now with your your implied team totals are going to be much lower with mariota there this is a player who has fully punked everybody i mean yeah yeah yeah week one coming out being the RB11 and then having you know the trade and it's like this is his team he has juice he's the reason we made the trade then the Eckler injury I mean everything opportunity wise has lined up for him to be there he hasn't missed a game he's played you know as essentially a starter the whole season maybe maybe Chris Rodriguez gets the first touch but we've seen bigger games from McNichols and Bill has I mean he's on pace for over 200 opportunities and he's scoring 8 fantasy points a game yeah

50:14Andy Holloway:he's not in here but I'm going to bring his name up because I'm sure people just want to hear the conversation Travion Henderson he had 20 opportunities I said I want to see a game with 15 opportunities 14 for 55

50:28Jason Moore:I mean it's on brand

50:31Andy Holloway:Yeah, it's on brand, so it's 3.9. Four for 32 through the air. So, I mean, in terms of yardage, he was, what, 87 yards from scrimmage, no touchdowns. Here's the truth.

50:44Jason Moore:We're not excited, but it was totally acceptable. Like, 10.5 fantasy points is our barometer for running back and a half PPR to consider a good game. He was 10.7 fantasy points. So, it wasn't special, but it was fine. He didn't hurt you if you started him.

51:01Andy Holloway:He played 75 % of the snaps. Terrell Jennings played 25 % of the snaps. Unfortunately, for us who played Hendo, Jennings was up, and he had two good runs, including one turning into – I'm not saying he only had two good plays. He had a good run to set them up, and then he took it in. I think it was like a 10-yard run or so for a touchdown, if I remember right.

51:27Jason Moore:No, the touchdown was inside the five. It was more of a goal line carry. That was what was disappointing to me. You're right. It was only a three-yard carry. They only had one rush attempt inside the five, and it happened to go to Jennings. And so that's really disappointing. If Travion Henderson is getting 75 % of the snaps, but he's not getting the goal line work in this world, that's disappointing. I don't think it is prescriptive yet to know that the one carry that they had inside the five just happened. And he could have just been the running back on the field on that drive.

52:02Andy Holloway:So in terms of fantasy, it's unfortunate because neither side gets to boom shakalaka.

52:10Jason Moore:Right. Yeah, you want to fail. The Henderson Traders are like.

52:13Andy Holloway:No one can dunk here. It was a good game. He didn't get the, I don't know.

52:17Jason Moore:He got the snaps. He got 10 and a half fantasy points.

52:21Andy Holloway:So Vrabel got us again. He got us again. because I wanted nothing more than to just be a monster game and come in here, rip the shirt off, bang the chest, be like, I told you. Or just get it over with. Yeah. Like, let me know that Travion will not be the guy. But he was the guy. Yeah. Yeah, it was weird. You know who was not the guy, Jason, at the wide receiver position? Rome Odunze. So weird.

52:51Jason Moore:Full goose. Goose. In a game that had 800 ,000 points scored. His quarterback is the QB1 on the week. He had an end zone target that was just slightly behind him. So a little disappointing. So this is three out of the last four weeks where he's been disappointing. Where he has not scored five fantasy points in three of the last four weeks. Four weeks ago before that was their bye week. So coming out of the bye, he has been extremely disappointing. I am fully committed to Roma Dunze still being the primary wide receiver on this team.

53:31Andy Holloway:You're not worried about Doxton Dogland coming in?

53:34Jason Moore:I'm certainly not worried about Doxton Dogland being the reason. There's been a couple miscues, a couple missed touchdowns that were there for Oduunze. He's playing 95-plus percent of the snaps. I mean, he is being utilized as the one. We talk about when you're in small stretches of games, you feel like it is forever. But at the end of the season, in the offseason, when we talk about these players and you look back at their game logs of great players, of A.J. Brown, of whoever, unless you're like the wide receiver one like Jamar Chase last year, everyone has a bunch of complete disaster games at the wide receiver position.

54:15Jason Moore:Sucks to be a zero, though. yeah i mean it it does it does but um especially in that game 40 to 7 47 to 42 and a full goose dk metcalf i i would personally you know i would offer a cheap crappy trade offer for odunze

54:30Andy Holloway:yeah i still want romo on the team dk metcalf this was the spot and then the game turned upside down and dk metcalf was a non-factor he caught two passes was that really what two passes for six yards yeah goodness gracious he had two targets inside the five and he ends up with two for six disgusting disgusting i yes i do because because i've never been a dk metcalf guy and then and then you drafted him i well i like i understood the process and i understand that i'm wrong on players it happens and aaron rogers number one wide receiver always gets peppered with targets not DK Metcalf not the 100 plus million dollars or whatever they gave him and the draft picks they gave up it's weird man it's what I'm saying it's weird he's still been pretty good for being the season he's been good on the season I know but you get him in a smash spot right here and he gives you 6 yards it's disgusting the Chargers, Ladd McConkie, Keenan Allen they were the ones who took the turn to have the bad week Gadsden and Kuge had good weeks Brian Thomas Jr didn't have to worry about potential superstar Travis Hunter to take targets away from him.

55:46Jason Moore:This one is disgusting.

55:48Andy Holloway:Three, four, oh, hey, look. Oh, look, another. Fifty-five!

55:54Jason Moore:This is disgusting. This is 59 points scored in the game between the Raiders and the Jags. Beautiful. You love that. This is, game script was great. The Raiders are not a shut-down defense. you lost Travis Hunter come on Brian Thomas Jr. and he has three catches it's like he he has been inside the top 24 I'm not saying like a top five the top 24 wide receivers on a week once this season we are way too far into the season to have that be true and now he's injured shoulder injury which obviously was was part of this um yeah he might be the most disappointing

56:39Andy Holloway:player on this yeah i think he's got to be the the biggest bust of the year so far i mean going off the top of my head and maybe there's there's another one but parker washington that that's who you wanted a for 90 yeah well i mean we brought up just how gross the replacement name is going to be someone has to go fill in for travis hunter and liam cohen just i don't know if it's cohen i don't know if it's trevor lawrence but parker washington was already involved 27 percent

57:08Jason Moore:target share for him i mean 10 targets the last game before the bye week and then nine targets this past week while yeah it was very disappointing uh showing from btj xavier worthy of the kansas

57:20Andy Holloway:City Chiefs. He did have seven targets, three for 23. He's going on to the bye week. I'm done. I don't know where you are with Worthy.

57:31Jason Moore:I would be completely willing. If you need a roster spot, I would be fine to drop him to waivers. At the same time, if he was on waivers, I might scoop him up. But this is Rushy Rice's team primarily. Kelsey hasn't gone away with Rice back. So it will be difficult to have a lot of consistency there for Worthy and going into a bye week where you're going to have to hold him for two weeks to hopefully get something that you probably won't get. I'm fine moving on.

57:57Andy Holloway:Debo Samuel had a down game. Chris Olave, here's the conversation. This is a tweet from good friend of the show, JJ Zacharisen. In Tyler Shuck's first start, Rashid Shahid saw nine targets for a season high 37.5 % target share. Chris Olave saw four targets for a season low of 16.7 % target share. The discussion on the Saints was completely around, we don't know what Tyler Shuck will do. Will he come in and Derek Carr this and throw the ball at Kamara 10 times? Will he feed Chris Olave, their number one, assumed number one wide receiver, over and over and over? And it turned out it was, this week at least, was Rashid Shahid.

58:43Jason Moore:So it was definitely Chahito ahead of Olave. That could be the new normal. I heard Chahito. That could be the new normal. That could also just be, that's how this game worked. Like I said earlier, wide receivers are going to have inconsistency. We need more data. And it could flip.

59:03Andy Holloway:But two games, if we got two games of this, I think you'd go to a full panic.

59:08Jason Moore:Well, the Rams in this game, they completely dominated every aspect. We just talked about how great all of the Rams were. They had the ball so much. My big concern is, like, there were 24 total passes thrown. Like, that's not a good enough number, especially, you know, for someone who, like, wasn't Spencer Rattler throwing the ball a ton? um Spencer Rattler looking games of 46 attempts 34 39 31 32 like we've got to have more attempts and one of the things I love about this team they gotta get more production with the attempts to keep the ball true the speed at which Kellen Moore plays but I also think part of this was just the Rams and not the Rams on defense the Rams on offense just controlling the game so easily really did not give a lot of opportunity for anyone.

1:00:05Jason Moore:Shahid was mostly garbage time.

1:00:07Andy Holloway:Teddero, McMillan, back down to a stinker after the 7-for-99 last week, 4-for-46 this week, low-scoring game. The identity of the team is Rico Dowdle. So targets, I think they'll be harder to come by. Let's see, what's the schedule here coming up? So we got the Saints, the Falcons, and San Francisco. That's what's on tap here for the Carolina Panthers. Jordan Addison was very disappointing. He had a bomb into the corner, the front corner of the end zone. I thought it was a great ball by J.J. McCarthy, and it seemed like Addison dropped it, so there was a potential for that. J.J. McCarthy, we didn't get to talk about it because it wasn't like a fantasy stud game.

1:00:53Andy Holloway:He was great. I believe he had three touchdowns. He had no yards, though. So let me pull up his exact stat line. We got 14 of 25, so he only completed 56 % of his passes, 143 yards, two passing touchdowns, and a rushing touchdown. He looked better. The completion percentage on paper definitely says it was not, but he looked more composed. Hopefully better days are ahead for J.J. McCarthy, the Vikings, for fantasy purposes because Baltimore, Chicago, Green Bay, Seattle, Washington, Dallas. I mean, like there is a stretch of games coming up for the Vikings that they should be able to take advantage of.

1:01:33Andy Holloway:Darnell Mooney continues to like what happened.

1:01:35Jason Moore:Oh, I love

1:01:36Andy Holloway:to see this because of Drake London.

1:01:37Jason Moore:Yes, because Pinnock's was there and Drake London was there. And so I don't want to see some kind of 50 50 split. I want to see you target Drake London over and over because he's way better and only two targets for Mooney. That's what I want.

1:01:48Andy Holloway:Also, you you you won the game. George Kittle, only four targets. We talked about But it might take until Brock Purdy comes back. When will that be? Who knows?

1:01:58Jason Moore:It might, but I don't look at it as in, like, I think he takes a big leap up when Brock comes back. But I don't look at this as if with Mac Jones, Kittle can't be good. Last week with Mac Jones, he was very good. Yeah, 43 and a touchdown. Was he like the tight end six or something? Yeah. Yeah.

1:02:17Andy Holloway:But 43 yards is.

1:02:19Jason Moore:If you're the sixth best tight end on a week.

1:02:21Andy Holloway:Yeah, I'm just saying you could do that last week with Mac Jones. Tyler Warren was disappointing. Seven targets, five for 26. And then Kyle Pitts, who seemed like he was very involved, so it's kind of surprising to see him here, but he was only four for 38. That was Studs and Duds presented by Lowe's. Lowe's knows Sundays are for NFL football. Earn your Sunday with Lowe's, official partner of the NFL. Tomorrow, waiver wire. It's going to be a big one. Jason has closed his eyes. I'm just thinking about the CD deck stack tonight. Oh, you are. I need.

1:02:55Jason Moore:You're doing the secret. Yeah. Speak it into existence. I need that CD touchdown. I need the stack. I need CD Lamb. You know what? Two touchdowns. For CD Lamb? I want two touchdowns from CD Lamb tonight.

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