Avsnitt 536 - Det gäller göra hemläxan

8 Jul 2025 · 1 h 1 min · 25 chapters

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In short

A Swedish investing/trading discussion focused on summer market liquidity, upcoming reports, and specific Swedish/tech/biotech/energy stock moves, plus an interview about a new Bitcoin treasury company. They also cover CFD/option trading via IG and Robomarkets, and debate whether telecom/fiber capex is peaking, how inflation and interest-rate expectations affect Swedish real estate, and what to watch in Kurdistan oil.

Guests (podcast hosts)

The episode is hosted by “Fill or Kill” (two recurring hosts; one mentions IG/Robomarkets and multiple trades, the other discusses portfolios and specific stocks). No other co-host identities are clearly stated in the transcript.

Interview guests (CEO segment)

Christopher DeGuerre and Topias Rutamecki from Bitcoin Treasury Capital (BTC AB). DeGuerre is a long-time Bitcoin specialist involved with early Bitcoin instruments in Sweden (incl. Bitcoin Tracker 1/CoinShares) and has written books and invested in Bitcoin. Rutamecki is an entrepreneur with experience in financial instruments and structured products, plus personal Bitcoin investing.

Key claims + notable examples

  • Hexatronic: a “darling” with profit warnings; debate that telecom fiber investment/capex may be slowing as consumers don’t need ever-higher speeds.
  • Kinnevik: turnaround hopes after new CEO Christina; portfolio described as “sexy” with large cash.
  • Real estate: inflation/interest-rate shocks and amortization rules are political; examples include Sagax, Handelsfastigheter, Logistea, Eastnine (Poland/Baltics exposure).
  • Kurdistan oil: Kurdistanoljan discussed as politically driven; pipeline deal rumors repeatedly delayed.
  • Neonode: Russell inclusion and “news soon” expectations; Samsung report concerns about IP/royalty reserves.
  • Enovix: battery tech update; stock driven by buybacks, short covering, and approaching delivery to tier-1 smartphone customers.
  • Kambi: improving fundamentals after new VD and customer wins (e.g., LeoVegas/Kindred), plus buybacks and illiquidity.
  • BTC AB interview: claims to hold Bitcoin in cold storage via third parties while issuing a tradable share to generate “Bitcoin yield” per share using instruments (e.g., convertibles/financing/treasury strategies). Goal: list on Spotlight; transparency via btc.se.

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Chapters

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Market Observations and Personal Trades

0:45 to 3:16

Discussion about recent market behavior and personal trading experiences.

“You take over my flag here from the last.”

Analyzing Company Reports and Trends

3:16 to 6:40

Insight into company reports, particularly about Hexatronic and telecom investments.

“Have Trump done a taco Exactly Then you go into IG's app Look at what's happening You have a raw value You have a American index index.”

Deep Dive into Investment Strategies

8:10 to 14:01

Exploring various investment strategies and discussing specific companies like Kinnevik.

“And then people say that if you want to play Fortnite, you're going to do a lot of things.”

Startup Dynamics and Market Reactions

14:01 to 16:49

Discuss the challenges startups face and market reactions to inflation and reports.

“But he could communicate so in all of a sudden, instead of copying the stock from the company they invested in and still keep the startup and blah, blah.”

Housing Market Insights

16:50 to 18:53

Explore the complexities of the housing market and misconceptions about supply.

“It was a stendrott when the rent was rushed.”

Investment Strategies and Real Estate

18:54 to 20:38

Examine different investment strategies in real estate and their implications.

“I Kista, if you have high high high, then you can probably have high high high?”

Political Impact on Investments

20:39 to 23:15

Analyze how political decisions and leverage affect real estate investments.

“Jag var inne på innan den här inflationssiffran på att vi går en fin räntevåg emot oss.”

Kurdistan Oil Market Dynamics

23:16 to 25:49

Discuss the evolving landscape of the Kurdistan oil market and its potential.

“We'll see if they'll become a jerk or if they'll take a little bit of a win.”

Market Reactions and Trading Experiences

27:46 to 28:00

Reflect on personal trading experiences and market reactions to rumors.

Market Reactions and Rumors

28:00 to 29:39

Discussion on market movements influenced by rumors and late comments.

“en kvart efter öppning för då är det ju amatörtimmen, amatörkvarten man kan kalla den vad som helst.”
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Summer Trading Insights

29:40 to 30:59

Insights into summer trading behaviors and individual investment strategies.

“Men det här säger väl en del om sommarhandeln.”

Investing in New Opportunities

31:00 to 32:50

Exploring emerging investment opportunities including Bitcoin and SPACs.

“And if it's going to be a house or something, then they can stick it out.”

Speculative Stocks and Market Sentiment

32:51 to 34:22

Analysis of speculative stocks and market sentiment influences on investments.

“Förväntningarna har ju gått upp på ett högre pris.”

Company Developments and Stock Performance

34:23 to 36:30

Discussion on recent company performance and stock market trends.

“You said to me that I have a lot of smart people who say that it's going to hell.”

Kambi's Market Position and Strategy

36:31 to 39:26

Analysis of Kambi's market strategy and recent performance insights.

“Men den här varianten ska de ju ta in pengar via såklart.”

Trader Life and Market Predictions

39:27 to 41:26

Reflections on trader experiences and predictions for upcoming market movements.

“I think they don't want to have, or it's clear that they want to have a lot of kund, but I think they don't want to have a lot of income that has 50 % of intake.”

Trader Life Reflections

42:01 to 44:01

Explore the challenging lifestyle of traders and their experiences.

“In my career, every semester and every summer.”

Introducing Bitcoin Treasury Capital

44:02 to 44:48

Learn about Bitcoin Treasury Capital and its mission in the market.

“BTC AB, which was announced today with the ticker BTC, where they tell us what their plans are for the company after the company.”

Background of BTC AB Leaders

44:49 to 46:28

Discover the personal and professional backgrounds of the BTC AB leaders.

“Just to draw the all-time background and the goal.”

Business Model of Bitcoin Treasury

46:29 to 48:28

Understand the unique business model of Bitcoin Treasury and its strategies.

“and I also bought a vattenkraftverk which I started to buy bitcoin so I held on very much with bitcoin can I say This is Christopher who described his background Tobias, can you tell us about your background?”

Funding and Emission Plans

48:29 to 50:14

Discuss the funding strategies and plans for Bitcoin investments.

“Or do you think you're going to have a business tool for analyzing the company that is interesting and Bitcoin?”

Risk Management in Crypto

50:15 to 51:56

Insights on how BTC AB manages risks associated with cryptocurrency.

“So we think that it's not a possible way with us.”

Future Goals and Performance Metrics

51:57 to 56:00

Evaluate the future goals of BTC AB and how they measure performance.

“Så det finns väl några olika sätt man kan göra det här på.”

Bitcoin Yield Generation and Management Strategies

56:00 to 58:18

Explore how Bitcoin yield generation works and the management strategies involved.

“And then they will not get it because Bitcoin has gone up and the market has gone up.”

Engaging the Audience and Transparency

58:29 to 59:19

Discussing the importance of transparency and audience engagement in investment.

“Så hello at btc.se Strålande, då kommer man ju till exempel kunna se navet på btc.se Exakt Strålande, stort tack för att ni kom till Fill or Killpodden.”
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0:00Just what is it that you want to do? We want to be free. We want to be free to do what we want to do. And we want to get loaded. And we want to have a good time. And that's what we're going to do. But wait baby, let's go! We're going to have a good time. We're going to have a party.

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0:45It's a bit of a visit. A bit of a visit. Yes. You take over my flag here from the last. Yes, exactly. To see how I was there on trading scene. How has it been? Is it a blend between a long start and a start on a report period? Ganska long, I say. I follow my own and try to research on new new ones. But I think that the market is a little... Yes, it has come up very much. so that you're a little restriptive with new and have here. Yeah, and you'll be grateful to them who have booked a long time in the outland semester. I've been miserable at home. It's pretty good to handle a little bit. But I've done a good job on the day.

1:30It's like you don't want to get on 100 things but you need to choose your offer. I tried to go to the DIs on Avanza. It was after a second. It was not so long. I thought we could talk a little bit about it. Sen ska vi prata såklart om rapporterna. Chinnevi kom idag. Det har kommit lite vinstvarningar. Fastighetsbolagen har kommit in. Jag har lite uppföljning på min Kurdistan-trade jag har tagit. Och sen så ska du berätta lite om din portfölj. Du ska klappa dig lite på axeln som vanligt, gissa? Nej, men vi kan prata om... Är det bud? Du får sms här mitt i sändning. Är det bud? Det är portföljen nu.

2:08Exakt. Vi får se. But I'm going to talk a little bit about 2BI And some cases that have gone Vissa companies are going to be Yeah, in your life So it's so And then you can tell what you've done You've got to buy more, sell more We can talk about it, we've mentioned here Biotech, Uni and Appceller have gone very well Neonode is going to talk a little bit about So of course, it just goes and goes and goes And 2BI has we've mentioned before And then a old case that's Enovic That was going to talk about here give you a little update on what the russes on. And then in the end of the episode we have an intervju with Bitcoin Treasury Capital which is now.

2:49Exactly, and it was a fantastic note. The one has been in the end of the episode. So listen to an intervju with VD. And this is a company that like the USA, they should hold Bitcoin on a effective way as possible so that you can explore it.

3:14We're with our sponsor IG And it's perfect In the summer Have their ultimate app You can always look at when you wake up When you're on a business If you want to do an affair What's the index of you Will you hedge on a portfolio Have you come a new thing How does it go to? Have Trump done a taco Exactly Then you go into IG's app Look at what's happening You have a raw value You have a American index index. Du kan agera väldigt snabbt och de erbjuder även helghandel. Nu har det varit ganska mycket nyheter på helgen. Det borde kanske vara lite lugnare på sommar nu. Man vet aldrig med Trump. Man vet inte, men det känns som att crescendot av händelser vi hade i Iran och vi har haft allting här bakom, så nu är det lite brain fog för marknaden här, så vi får se.

4:01Det kanske blir lugnare här de närmsta veckorna. Är det någon som har tagit över stafettbinden så är det väl Elon Musk kommer med olika Politiska utspel, så Tesla går alltid ner Massa på helgen, eller inför måndagens handel Exakt Men så turnar det upp sig, 90 dagar har snart gått Med Kina Det är väl mot slutut här på sommaren Och då kan det vara jätteviktigt för när sådana nyheter kommer Om det kommer på helgen så kan man göra en affär Kommer det på natten, på kvällen YG är alltid öppet Ja, och gillar man att handla krypto Så har de även lanserat Optioner på bitcoin Tycker man det rör sig mycket Man vill begränsa sin e-sida så kan ju optioner vara ett alternativ där.

4:41Och då erbjuder de handel på 14 olika kryptovalutor. Och då är det ju bara att gå in på ig.com. Och vill man kanske testa på lite handel så har de ju även demohandel. Och det kan ju vara ett perfekt läge att prova på. Under semester kanske i hängmattan. Hur det känns att tröjda de här nyheterna. Så man kan börja så om man är en novice. Ja, om man lyssnar på den här podden tycker du bara gör bra affärer then you can try to do it yourself. See how easy it is. Yeah, exactly. But come back, all trading is a high risk. 75 % of all the professional kunder can lose money on CFD-andels and so on the other than the other.

5:15You can think after the other with the big risk that you can lose your money.

5:24If we start with the report, we have started with some vinst warning. We had Hexatronic which started here on Sunday evening. It's when you have a form of a meeting or something so you can't get out a Sunday night that it doesn't work well They were up 10 % on Friday I saw that it was many that it was a winst people thought it was positive but it was negative but the kurs was over 20 % this was a darling they were on with fiber and had done some different reviews in the sector You talked about this for several years With a channel stuff And you looked like a smart Visseroy blankare I was not hausad So I started to look at What was it?

6:17It was for the year When it was again Then it was again And then it was a race from 20 to 60 And now it was again So it's an interesting The company has had many problems. They have even had some problems. Visst, Roy was on them and blanked them? Yes, exactly. It was a lot of reports. The VD has closed now. It's time for a little start. We read Pareto, who wrote that on Friday. Positively, we've seen the market, the sector and the like. It's not good for everyone. out of Hexatronic. When I follow Tigo and many smarts around the market, they describe it as that investment and capex in telecoms will go down quickly.

7:09If you look at what people want for Breband, I have a new fiber here now where we have purchased our house. You don't really know what you want to have. Will you have 200 or 1000 megabit? People have no idea. Funks are Netflix on 200? Yeah, it works. Funks are it on 1000? Yeah, it works well also. So it feels like the whole of the big investment for all operators is quite over. In case we'll find new ways if it's 6G or what it's now that we should do. It's about if everyone should sit and try to own chat, GBT-servers or something like that. We need much more internet-kraft, maybe. Yeah, exactly.

7:52Exactly. I'm a mobile phone. I'm a computer phone. Yes, exactly. So it's like that and it's in a case of both taxatronic and telecom operators with Starlink or that you're mobile phone. And then people say that if you want to play Fortnite, you're going to do a lot of things. If you're a family or you're a lot of people on the same place, then it doesn't work. it's not really. It depends on where you live. In 5G-routers, it's not a good thing. But it's a different discussion. But Hexatronic has been a VD. The VD is not a lot to say about. He doesn't talk so much. He doesn't communicate so well.

8:38He doesn't communicate with the analytics. It was what they became known for. Now it was a DI that they had a IR-person that started for about 1 ,5 years ago. som slutade nu. Man har haft en vice vd som har varit delägare i ett bolag som har vräkt ut aktier här. Som har haft fantastiska vinster. Så det är ett väldigt omdiskuterat bolag. Det finns nog något bra här i grunden. Men det gäller ju att de får ordning på alla de här bitarna. Jag kommer ihåg att jag höll på i Thailand. Om det var någon rapport som någon var positiv till. Jag köpte och så gick det ner typ 20%. Så det har varit en väldigt jobbig aktie att äga och handla över rapport.

9:18and analytics and like that. But they said that their other affairs over this fiber-been was good, but it was a stone in fiber-been. Which Pareto didn't see as the concurrents. So it feels a bit more complex for me. I'm not all of a bit more on-the-been here. But it looks like it's been a quarter left before, before it goes around. Exactly. But when it comes to such a lot of things, it's interesting to look at. So we'll see. When all of a sudden, it's often a way to look at it. I have a tendency to look at it. You're going to look at it more and more. But I don't know if it's not a decision. No, then I read Kinneviks report in the morning.

10:10I had a fine number here of how it had gone the last year. then, then it was a year of a year of kastning, including a return of investment, content and sakutdeling, because they have been doing it. 1 year minus 4 % in year of kastning, 5 year minus 7 % and 10 year plus 1%. So it is a fascinating haveri. I have been a little positive for the last six months. Now Christina has come in, we'll see what she does of it. here. I - check in rapport now but it's gonna save

11:10time bra nu, alla tech-bolag. Vi har ju varit emot dem innan. Det har varit stökigt och högränt miljö. De hade gjort en ny investering på 300 miljoner som var hemlig inom biotech. Alltså tech-bio tror jag det kallades. Det var inte biotech. Så jag förstod inte ens vilket område det är. Det lät ju farligt, men man undrar ju om man inte vill återinvestera i sina bolag som handlas till typ 50 % rabatt. Jag tror de hade fortfarande 10 miljarder i kassan. Så de har ju världens möjlighet här. Det är bara frågan var det här ska ta vägen, hur man ska kapital allokera. Efter att ha läst det här så låter man ju osugen, men jag blir ändå sugen på att man är liksom ur den här värsta fasen och skulle kunna göra något väldigt bra av de här innehaven.

12:00De verkar ändå äga några bolag de fick väl in i EQT och några andra heta amerikanska VC-firmer i det här Travelperk tror jag var. Och ja, vissa Alla bolag vill man bara skriva ner till noll när man läser de Och vissa skulle det faktiskt kunna bli någonting här Framförallt när man tittar på Nasdaq och alla de här heta bolagen Något borde de kunna trolla fram här som borde kunna bli ganska hett Annars har de ju uppenbarligen investerat totalt galet Har de inte det då? Jag menar, det är ju full hås Och det finns flera sektorer, de har inte träffat en enda Nej, det är ju imponerande jämfört med flat och liknande And they are not really...

12:41And they are not really... They are not the last three years of the company they have invested in. They are six years back. Yes, exactly. I don't know, it's just a very sexy portfolio when you look at it. And it's probably not that they have invested so much in it. No, they wrote that it didn't have much full invest in the money with 10 billion in kassan. So it's a super place And it's positive so that you can Come on on a new Kula So I'm a little suging on To buy in Kinnevik It's about to communicate To buy a new purchase Because you can see that you have Bought on your own and trust on your portfolio I think Christina Inside has been a good job When she came back It's positive Fresh blood Yeah Kanske lite nytt på vd-posten där också Absolut Det har gått många år nu Det har varit samma story om och om igen Och väldigt sen på bollen Måste jag säga att vdn har varit Nu är jag hård här Men alla andra startup Jesusar Blev väldigt snabbt De tittar på kassaflöden nu Och allt det där Medan han fortsatte Det är inte han som styr bolagen Men man borde ju kunna sätta hårdare But he could communicate so in all of a sudden, instead of copying the stock from the company they invested in and still keep the startup and blah, blah.

14:14You understand what I mean? Absolutely. He has been more conservative. I think that he continued to be all the less for a long time with the startup bullshit. And it's like I think it's That it's like He drank the Kool-Aid And then he left the Kool-Aid And then he left all the other Kool-Aid And then he left I'm very hard I'm talking about the secondaries It's like You want to see someone who was with And was with that it was a horse But it was a joke But it was a joke Because it's money to pay And when everything is going to be Then you want to go back to the clock And you don't continue the same theme Because then you're just a second-led And not a second-led In with Niklas Storåker In the system Who is the best startup-invested And you can see how you're going to And you can see it now Monster-rabatt Storkassa It's just like It's just like Just to get to the right people With the right connections you see flat and how they have done with their door open it's all possible it's all possible to do it it goes to rock it's the company that does but I think you need a whole of storm on the lead then we had the company where they have reported and then we got some form of inflations shock here.

15:49It was a little delated meaning of what it was about. It was just a snabb siffre, but many had hoped on a increase in juli. Or a meeting after. Now it came in a higher rate. One analysis I read was that a big difference could be charter-resor. I'm imponerating how the composition can look out. But regn and weather, it does make sure that charter-priseries go up a lot of power. And that would be the inflations-siffed. It was so easy. I think it was the 14th of July. It was a full-time inflations-siffed. So you can see all the details. But at the same time, fastighetsbolag has reported. So I don't know how much you should take on how the rate of growth has changed.

16:35Or how it looks for fastighetsbolag. But they are talking about rabatt. I saw Sven Olof was out with a little bit of a quote. They had a little Kåkar in Kista I don't know if he wanted to spark it on Ruttke Or what he was doing But he said that they are in principle It's hard to buy out You don't have any ofkastning It's a sunk place With more That's what you're doing Yeah That's what you're doing But so you don't have to do it You can't do it You can't do it You can't do it You can't do it You can't do it You can't do it But Fabi G I'm going to have a lot of

17:35いの BR's

17:42So it's not the heat. Bostads companies are a little more it. It was a stendrott when the rent was rushed. Man talked a lot about this with the rights. That it doesn't go to be a newbiegd. It's because it costs 10 000 for an etta in Järfälla. And it costs 9 000 on Estermalm in an etta. It's just a politics. It's a right-to-one aspect. And that can you hold on. But for the same value of the so So it's bullshit It's clear that if you take off the The rules of the regulation So will the rules of Stockholm In the inner city go up And they will be full of The rest of the country I mean Take Falun The rules of the rules Should have been halved So I'm not sure That the business of the company Will pay so much more money on it No, no It's a story that goes in media Now that we have a business Fast it's no one who has the to hyra de här nybyggda Vi har ju bostadsbrist av andra anledningar Vi har bostadsbrist på billiga lägenheter och vi har haft en stor invandring och allt sånt som har tjockat upp alla priser Men vi har ju ingen bostadsbrist Det är ju skitsnack på bostäder som folk vill bo i Nej men jag läste Wallenstam hade några Där har vi bostadsbrist I Nacka centrum Det har varit 300 lägenheter och de hade tusentals ansökande So everything just matters about the place On the way of the house And price And there I mean That with the house of the house Yeah, if you're a big business And have a big stock It's like, yeah, it's cool if you're in the town If you're in the town, but you're in the town But I mean, what do you mean To the house of the house What do you think of the house of the house If you take the house of the house The house that's there and live today And have a first-hand contract They pay all the less for much But a dumb question is it that you have to have high high high?

19:42How do you mean? I Kista, if you have high high high, then you can probably have high high high? Yes, but it will no longer do. But if you slay the high high high high, so I mean that the company tjänar more money than they should on the high high high high. I'm very happy about it. At least if you look over the whole of Sweden. So it's still a lot of It's still a lot of The segment of the Or the other segment of the The segment of the Or the other segment of the Is well like Sagax We maybe have Handels Fastigheter De som are out to Jula And so And then I like Logistea I like East9 Then you get a lot of Exponering Mot Poland There you have Full Tillväxt And you You get both Tillväxt I land You get to You get to You get to You get to Priser On the Fastigheter You get to Is9 har ju kontor i Polen och Baltikum.

20:33Så det gäller väl att välja sina bolag inom fastighetssektorn. Där vissa kommer få det jobbigare och vissa kommer få det... Jag var inne på innan den här inflationssiffran på att vi går en fin räntevåg emot oss. Tioåringarna börjar komma ner, fastighetsbolagen börjar bli lite heta. Börjat kolla lite på SBB, SBBD kanske, vad som kan hända där. If they have started to do this with the norm But this is probably so that it's a job So I have just taken my job Would you like to buy something For a 10 year old And he has not yet No one It's not to start now You can walk on my treasury With someone who just owns Strandvägen And then it will go to 1 million per square Yeah, but it can be done But I think that It's good for the quality of the day, you know.

21:29Exakt. I don't know, I've missed the road. I'm not so interested. I'm going to do another thing. I want to have more asymmetrics. It's hard to find when you're running out of the road. It's some that are really good on it. The end you might have been a little bit on is to take a look at Roger in Achelius. Or in Castellum. There you might have been sitting in the same boat as him. When he has broken up here and looked five years later, it would be good. When you look at his history, he might have lost his glory. But I don't think it's true. But then I just come back to the politics of the country.

22:07All right, so that's the end of the world where it's called a business career. It's the best career. Yeah, exactly. And people say that the fact is a fantastic resource. And yadda yadda yadda. But what they say is that they Gillar leverage Because it's where the price comes from You can buy five times And buy a single That goes up In snitt five or six percent per year Maybe It's not a single It's not a single It's leverage And then I look at I just look at the end of the day I'm a little scared Because it's a lot of leverage And then I'm going to get out and Amor... What's it called? Amorteringskravet Amorteringskravet Perfect And the effect I don't understand It's a political I understand You might have been able to But then they do it After they've won the election It's so much It's so much It's so much It's so much It's so much It's so much It's so much It's a quarter Or two Or a half So can Några to buy what they want and then the price has adjusted up for it and then it's over the effect is gone it's just when they're going to buy restaurant what happened is it someone who thinks it's been more expensive to eat and it was still a better effect it was still not a stimulant to the who should buy so I think that it's it gas is from all the way on that fastigheter should go well Politiskt, overallt And leverage is high So I have missed the road So I can sit here and look at it In fastighetsbolagen

23:58I think it's a lot of interesting things Yeah What I talked about for the week Was Kurdistanoljan It's a lot of people have been They're very good at meeting And I think that they're going to come to something Today is a pretty exciting day There you go Now they're taking a time away And it's the kändest It's the old minister that goes out Every tredje month and says Pipeline will open in three months But the kurs has gone pretty well here On a week's sicht It feels like the USA presses on Pretty well here in the background I'm a little D &O And D &O Optioner They've gone very well the last week.

24:42We'll see if they'll become a jerk or if they'll take a little bit of a win. Today they're going to say that they're hours away. But it's been heard many times before. But if you're having fun on the sommar, then you can follow some Arabian news. They've written about the same news in two years now. How close it is a deal. So it's just copy-paste here on the news. And they go back to the next Baghdad and Erbil, new meeting, new tea, and then they say that they are hours away. But now it feels like it's on the right. And all of these companies are extremely cheap if they were going to flow in the pipeline between Kurdistan and Turkey.

25:29Have you ever seen anything with your other companies? The companies are pretty good here. It's up to 70 dollars now. I 90 lilla oljebolag händer inte mycket men det där är spännande för just det där i Kurdistanoljan rent politiskt har det förändrats väldigt mycket i den regionen så ska det gå så ska det väl gå nu han är ju en dealmaker Trump så vi får se hur mycket han är här i bakgrunden

26:02We have with us Robomarkets and now is the report period in the USA. It is in the USA. It really happens. There are no longer than the we have a company. We have a company and Nvidia. We have CoreWeave that has been very much in. They have made a and if you want to handle in the USA or want to handle so is really Robomarkets it best alternative? Precis, for you have ISK with a value of money, no value of money, you have you have a deal from 7 ,5 or 0 ,75 percent nothing minimum and the amount of money or the amount of money on the affair is not a cost, but it is only a cost and this is all the money regardless of what engagement you have with Robomarket, so you have the same and you have the opportunity to handle directly with TradingView and that you can connect to your Robomarkets And then you can handle directly in their Gränssnitt and you can use graf And you can do a technical analysis if you want to do it You can even kode a little if you want to do it And if you have a hum How you can do your own strategies So it's a great tool It's not better when it just rains every day You can sit home and kode a little Algo-app that you can use in trading Yes, exactly And you can also put a stop loss and take profit So you can put in the graph It's perfect if the sun comes up When you're on the playa So you've already taken your position on the morning And then you've got to put in your stop loss and take profit And if you want to be a customer or if you have any questions So just hear of you to Max & Simon on Stockholmskontoret Or their Twitterkonto which is Robomarkets SE Stort tack!

27:39And come back, investing is a risk And it's not safe that you can get back all your capital Capital.

27:51Sen hade vi i DI en liten affär jag gjorde här på sommaren som kunde blivit fantastiskt bra men man lärde sig inte att man ska sitta och vänta en kvart efter öppning för då är det ju amatörtimmen, amatörkvarten man kan kalla den vad som helst. DI var ute och sa att jag tolkade det som att korpfirmerna försökte pitcha att Hagströmmen skulle köpa ut Avanza men det kändes som that it must be called out in English media that Hagströmer should put on Avanza. So the kurs was up 15-16%. Which was very much on a D-rykte. And then they got a comment from Hagströmer five minutes before opening, which I didn't even read.

28:35It was like, Rökmånaden kom tidigt. How do you get that? Rökmånaden kom tidigt. He was so intelligent, smart And Gammal and klok So he got to go up a national Ensklopedin for to understand And it was more that Skröner and rykten And then on the after the end of the interview Where he felt like he died this He wanted to do this He was so good It's like the course goes up It's like no bullshit We can do a new emission He skits in the price Yeah, exactly. And a röp-månad is that mat for fars. It's a bit like that. And it's probably one summer-månad in August or August. But he said that it was really hard.

29:23Yeah, or that people were completely galna on the redaction. So it was a fantastic place to cut Avanza when it was up 15-16%. It didn't I, but I could cut it when it was 10 % up on opening or something. And then he went up, he went up, and then it became a little en vinst. Men det här säger väl en del om sommarhandeln. Det är tunt. Det kan komma någon nyhet. Det kan komma någon rykten. Saker rör sig mycket mer. Det tar några dagar innan det händer någonting. Jag tittade på Mildef, min stackars sorgdeg. Den har ju gått katastrofdåligt. Fortsatt. Och nu fick de sin största order någonsin av COG, det här norska försvarsbolaget.

30:07Och kursen gick upp typ 3%. So I don't know if it's like, you know, follow through here or if it's a sign that it's something that's happened with the whole list. I've missed my position there, increased a little more on the order. I'm going to be like a joker in the summer portfolio. How have you done your summer affairs? I've looked at most of the time, I've done some... I'm in research mode, I'm sitting and reading. I'm not sure you're doing it. Investing. It's not like a QT-gubble. I'm not sure you're looking at a case. I'm looking at a SPACs all the time. But it's a jungle. I have them I have, but I haven't taken it.

30:53But I'm looking at it all the time. Because I think it can be a good strategy just now. As I've talked about it before. 10 % are in the cash. And if it's going to be a house or something, then they can stick it out. So you can get to 15 % but it's a good percentual So it's almost like having a cash position No more than What are you looking at or what is it that has gone well or bad I'm looking after the next Bitcoin I don't have any I've never chosen but it's going to be someone who does anyone who does a stable coin it's like the next HCG A circle copy Yeah, exactly. It's the next thing in crypto and SPACs.

31:40But otherwise, Neonode goes like a whole time. They come with Russell, so it's been a bit of influence from it. Today, Samsung came with their report, which was catastrophic. I found out there was no information about any related thing there. Nej, det går i rykten om att de i förra rapporten reserverade för IP och royaltybetalningar. Nu såg jag att de hade ganska stora summor alltid, men den hade gått upp.

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32:14Jag har bara läst andra som har sett det där. Min känsla är väl att hade beloppet varit enormt så hade de ju kommunicerat det i den här rapporten. Alltså de här 5 miljarder dollar, de här helt galna beloppen. Ja, exakt. Några sådana belopp såg jag väl inte. Men vi får se helt enkelt. Men det börjar ju närma sig de här 30 dagarna och gått snart. Ja, så det är ju sanningens minut. Och det känns ju ju högre kursen går så ökar ju förväntningarna på ett högre belopp. Ja, men precis. Så det är ju mycket förväntningar på att det ska komma någonting snart och någon information. Det kommer ju komma någonting snart.

32:52Ja, det kommer det göra. Förväntningarna har ju gått upp på ett högre pris. so it's not that it has been a bit less or less the two weeks since two weeks for it's not that's not no one knows but I think I have a lot of time to see that it's a little it's a pretty professional people who are involved in this if you have a little theory here so it's not so that if a level was much less and some have known it I don't think people would like to blank If it was a much higher It's probably what we see now But then there is a chance That people Fulhandlar up the course For that they know But it hasn't been any enormous volume But then it comes with that they come in in Russell And then it's like The flöden It has been George It comes in in Russell It's other market tekniske factors And then the hopes of that it will come news snart So it's super exciting, but it's not much more to say than it But it's cool that it goes up And then I talked about Biotech H.I.A.

34:01Abcellra, a lot of things I've had for a month I've gone 100 % I've done a swing-longing in the day It's been good And then I've 2BI, I've still I've still got quite a Gav on 2 Now it's almost like 6 % A van for you What's that? A normal affair for you? I have been a half an hour, in all of a minute. You said to me that I have a lot of smart people who say that it's going to hell. Exactly. And it's when you get the best of the way. When people think that the alternative is a competition. It was when Landebo Lasta Ut came in and said to me that I have a lot of smart people who say that it's going to hell.

34:41It's not a hell for them. And I said, okay, then I'm going to buy more. So it was a lot of fun that you didn't mention any names. For that then maybe I had been like hmm But in all the way So smart are they not But now I've sold quite a lot of Tobby For I want to have a financial position That I can sit on But it can be a good turnaround Grunde has come back to the company And they've been bought up on these levels When they've been the last time So they're going to be able to continue And they're doing everything they can It's like it's cost-sales They got a good deal here with Dynavox They have a skatteskull that they will pay for in the house.

35:21It looks like the money from the Dynavox - can take care of them and then the emissions-suit is much, much less. So it's just that. If you ask what I'm looking at and looking at I'm looking at my own and then I'm looking at new specs. And then Ennovix, which I've talked about now, I've talked about Ennovix, but I still have it. They came with some information about their new battery technology As always with the company So it looks fantastic If they can produce these batteries And it began to go on And in the same way They gave them a barant To all the company that they will get Will you get a so?

36:04Yes, I hope I It will not be your bank Fiffed away It will not be your own But the company will set under 60 days I think strike-en var 895 eller något sånt. Jag kan ha fel på siffran nu. Jag kommer inte riktigt ihåg. Men det fina med det där, varför den har rusat här då i två dagar dels, och de annonserade ett aktieåterköp här för någon vecka sedan som jag tyckte kom från Out of the Blue. Men den här varianten ska de ju ta in pengar via såklart. Går de ens plus eller? Men bolaget är, nej. Så de har ju återköp. Ja, men jag vet inte var det är de. De vill väl att den här varianten ska vara in the money så att de ska ta in 200 miljoner dollar.

36:49Men bolaget är extremt shortat. Så när de kommer ut och ger en varand till alla aktieägare det är ju ett aber för shorten. För de som är korta blir kort en varand som de ska få in sen. Så det är problematiskt. Så det är därför vi ser nog många short som täcker sig. Men så sammanfaller det med att vi börjar närma oss mer och mer att de ska börja leverera till tier 1 which they have several in smartphones. We don't know who it is yet, but we'll see what it is for a company. But it comes first when they deliver and batteries are in different products. So it's exciting! And then Camby can we talk about.

37:34It's been a sur-deck länge, but it's been many other on the town that has begun to pull up the company. Brose took up the company around 100 spen. He said five times the money. So it's probably four times a quarter here from But they have been doing a deal with Leo Vegas Yeah, exactly So they have been doing two years with Leo Vegas And then over it was also the odds-free solution It seems like many have been extremely tired on Camby Jo, thank Exactly, they have been doing this 500-100 I and Jordan actually had a brose When it came to the... They had come with two bad reports in the way They've had a good idea that it goes well until you leave the report and then it goes down.

38:16And then I've passed on to buy it. And now it's been very good. It's been interesting to have been a lot of people who have been doing it. New VD. New VD with high energy. Intressant change on the list with very good gaming investors. They've come in. And now with AI it's also like they can take off quite a lot. You don't need to have the manuella traders and like that So you can get the cost of getting back Now it's just that they sign Yeah, a little new kund here Bland annat Leo Vegas This was more like that you can For a long time That you have two years extra When the customer is on the way And then you can get the odds with the solution So if they come with a little new Now I think that the company Står in a very nice position Now that you have got it It's Kindred, it's Leo Vegas There have been many great customers Some have gone.

39:08But what's interesting is that the intake of the fall has matched with many more deals. But they got Canada's Swedish game and so on. I think that they take many more than that. It's hard to get rid of so big as Kindred. I think they don't want to have, or it's clear that they want to have a lot of kund, but I think they don't want to have a lot of income that has 50 % of intake. So So now it's a period of Up to bevis when kursen has gone Ganska good in Kambi Without that it has happened so much It has happened so much in the company And the company has been around And talked a lot about their Good pipeline We'll see if the Leo Vegas-to-begals Was at the beginning Very strong pipeline That even Nylén Yrar them in Yeah, exactly And then they have a kassaflöde That they have to go with So that there will be a effect A little bit of a kudde Ja, den är ganska illikvid aktien och nu drog den med igång ett ganska stort återköp här.

40:07Precis. Så ja, det har varit en av mina... Jag har knappt vågat prata om den i podden för det är så hatat bolag. Men man vill gärna prata om när bolaget levererar. Nu är det mer aktiekursen som har. Ja, och jag hoppade ju in där i kraschen. Men nu ser det ut att börja ordna upp sig lite. Ja, snyggt. Och ska vi avsluta med något med index? Där känns det inte som att det händer så mycket. it's a lot of deeds, but it's not so much to say. It's a lot of money, tulls and so on. What I think about is that Trump has been shot at many of his canons now. Tullar, Iran, and he's still there, and it's going to take time.

40:52All of the positive things he wants to do.

40:58So, I don't know if the market begins to get a little trot, but we We were going to be in the summer-bars. Now maybe the report is going to be in. The report is going to be in. And then in August, it will be retail-fest. Then it's just small-sparare retail that will decide what the market is going to do. All the others will go on. But I hope it will go on semester.

41:19But I hope it will be a little bit on less liquidity here in July, August. And then we'll see. What's the promise? I don't think I'm going to put a short on a stock for a stock. Yeah. Then we've got Phil or Kill. I'll say that Phil is going to have a affair in a day. That's why I've got a little bit of a casting and I've never been to trade. And Phil is going to be able to get a little bit of a love. We're going to go on the pod as usual. Killen is probably my avancer trade. I'm going to capitalise it. It's not a lot of money on the road. Then you go around a day on the road. Now it's raining.

42:07So it's been for my life. In my career, every semester and every summer. It's an absolute pose that you're going to lose. Then you can go in in Send Mode and say we'll take it in August. It's the same. It's a trader life. I still don't know any trader who has had a a nice and a nice semester. It's just like when you're in Thailand it always happens. What are you for filler, killa? Min filler is that it's a lot of that's going to go well. That's what they're all about. Abseller is the one I think, Neonor is of course cool, but Abseller, the one is interesting. Blant dem kommer jag ha två molekyler i slutet på året som går in i fas 1.

42:57Och det är en milestone för dem. Tidigare har de gjort en massa avtal. Det är en massa molekyler de har royalty på. Och sådana saker. Men de här två ägare är deras egna. Och det är lite en ny fas för det här bolaget. Så det ska bli jättespännande. Ja, men det är fillen. Att det är en massa case som spelar ut. and my kill is that from my lows we have gone very much up on the US and we are back over where we were so it's clear that it's a little you can go on to buy new stuff now I have done it's pretty good for the last week I mean, it can be done a lot of affairs, but you're very restrictive. You want to have a living room.

43:57Yes! And then, you don't forget to listen to the other. We have a interview with the CEO of Bitcoin Treasury Capital, BTC AB, which was announced today with the ticker BTC, where they tell us what their plans are for the company after the company. Precis, this is a new company. It's super-heter in the USA. So, if you want to learn more, so you can listen to this interview for this interview you know what it's about what the strategy is so listen to it it's very learned today we're with us Christopher DeGuerre and Topias Rutamecki who comes from BTC AB who has a coming out welcome to Philo Kidpod thank you Thank you so much.

44:46And now can we tell you a bit about Bitcoin Treasury Capital? Where comes the idea from? What are you on the way? Just to draw the all-time background and the goal. Absolutely. So, what we've built up is a company that we've built from the beginning. And it's what we think is the perfect way to invest in Bitcoin. So, what we do is a Bitcoin Treasury company. The famous company in the days is Strategy or MetaPlanet. and we are then the Swedish variant of it. Why this is so interesting is that if you have Bitcoin in the day then you have antingen cold storage, and it's great, then one Bitcoin is one Bitcoin.

45:30Or if you try to pay more Bitcoin, then you have to buy them somewhere. And it's riskable because they are trading at some point so you have no control. And what we're building and unique is that we can have Bitcoin in cold storage so they're safe. But we have an aktie that we can then handle on the market and it's the aktie that we can generate yield on Bitcoin and generate more Bitcoin per aktie. What have you for background? How have you come up with this idea? I am a very bitcoin-e - so I have been working on Bitcoin for all time and I have been from the beginning with a safe storage and tokenization and then I am with in Sweden on the world's first so-called bitcoin-instrument Expert Providers Bitcoin Tracker 1 which now is called CoinShares I have written books on Bitcoin and list of other bitcoin-relaterated and I also bought a vattenkraftverk which I started to buy bitcoin so I held on very much with bitcoin can I say This is Christopher who described his background Tobias, can you tell us about your background?

46:44Yes, I'm an entrepreneur and I've worked on a couple of different branches the last time in the fasted-branching where I've worked quite a lot with the type of financial instrument which we have to use in BTC AB, which has emittered different types of preferentials with different types of willpower, and obligations in a notary environment. I have also a private interest for Bitcoin and investing. I have been Warren Buffett and I have been in Omaha on his own business and I follow the market and the economy and the economy. in the end of the day. And what can say that? It's very popular now to be a treasury company where a company takes their kassa and takes a bitcoin for it.

47:35Exactly. It's what happens now is that you have a company that has a van of a company that often has a half, antingen plus minus or minus, and then they think they need to do something unique or new and then they say of order treasury and then all of the sudden have the actual that's why we have done it. That's why we are in the wrong approach. So we took and sat up from the beginning the right process and routine where we take and take a and build a and run out bitcoin treasury so we should really just take off the money and buy bitcoin and generate yield for the bitcoin without taking too much risk.

48:17So there is no other company that you need to be able to use it. For example, Metaplanet, do you think you're going to use it in? Do you think you're going to have a hotel company in Tokyo and Bitcoin? Yes, then Metaplanet is perfect. Or do you think you're going to have a business tool for analyzing the company that is interesting and Bitcoin? Then you're going to have a strategy perfect. I think, and we think, that many people just want to buy the treasury company and see a company that has been specialized on it and they do it really well. And that's what we do and what we do. I can add that we want to be the most easy-to-analysated company on the market.

48:58So for all of you who are looking at the market, we have no other way to balance. We have no other way to the market, that is, no risk that can come and beat us in the market after many years. so as stämningar or other risks. We just want to have the most of the most of the exponents of Bitcoin and can present it on a transparent way possible to market. And then you do a notary, you take in the money. What happened then with the capital you take in? Precis. We decided to make a treasury company and then we thought we would do a riktable mission of the public. And it went very well. We wanted to get 100 and we got over it.

49:50So now it's going to be. And those money we will take and buy Bitcoin for. It will be a price to be a price to be. The goal is to list us on Spotlight. And the first trade in June is the goal. So it's one of the most important things to be. But the goal is to buy the money. So we buy Bitcoin. and so far we have it so we can use all the creative tools we can without having too much risk to generate more yield on the Bitcoin and then we come in what is it for something what should we do for something if we say that we have 100 Bitcoin initialt and then we have 100 aktier say we but the company first and foremost above our Net Asset Value so say that it is worth to 200 Bitcoin we have seen it with many new-to-treasure-bolag that they're very long over their substance.

50:47So we think that it's not a possible way with us. And in this case so you can do more emissions. So you can do an emission and the actuality of the company will be a technical way to spread. But so we all have to do all things and so all the people who have to do all things are how you get out of bitcoin per action. And if we have a premium and we do an emission then you get more bitcoin per action as an action. So it's interesting that we can generate more bitcoin per aktie to the aktie-goes when we have a premium. And like that, if there is a discount, we can do a return to a trade-go and then we can generate more bitcoin per aktie.

51:27It's even more creative things that we're on to do and that many others do. We can buy bitcoin for example as a convertible. Then we get bitcoin as a loan and it converters when it's a premium in the market vid en viss kurs och så vidare. Så vi ska göra alla kreativa tänkbara saker vi kan för att generera yield på de här bitcoins ändå. Oavsett om vi står ovanför eller under så ska vi hela tiden kunna generera yield på något sätt. Många pratar ju om säkerhet i krypto. Hur tänker ni där och hur förvarar ni krypton som ni köper för aktieägarna? Precis. Så det finns väl några olika sätt man kan göra det här på.

52:06Det sättet som vi känner oss trygga med är att vi använder extern tredjepart. So it's not so that we sit with some nyclar or have some hardware wallets that are somewhere or Bitcoin on mobile. We have set up a 3D part solution that makes Bitcoin so that we don't have... It's not a person that has access or anything, but it can be done by a 3D part that we feel like. How does it look at your cost and benefits? How do you drive this business? We have no operative verksamhet. But it costs to be just about a dollar. So we will finance it via emission. If we have premium and even emission then a part of it will be a part of it.

52:56We estimate about half to half per year for a list of reviews and so on. They take off new emission. So it's so we will We can also, in theory, loan out a certain amount of bitcoin for a lot of cost when you get a kickback for a lot of big companies. It can also take a lot of companies. But the first thing we get is to get into the intakes via emissions. Or that we get more money by any kind of capital. So it's just so we should take the cost of the first. And if you look at this 60-12 months later, what will happen in the company or what will happen to you? What will happen to you for both on a long time and even more?

53:44What is the goal with it? Our goal is to be on a responsible and a risk-sensitive way to accumulate Bitcoin over time. If you look at our peers, for example Strategy, Metaplanet or the French blockchain group som nu har implementerat sin Bitcoin Treasury-strategi sen ungefär årsskiftet, så kan man få lite hum på hur det kan gå för oss. Sen får marknaden visa exakt hur det går, men vi har verktyg i verktygslådan inom de här finansiella instrument som vi känner oss trygga med att vi kan generera Bitcoin yield. And we see that With a small company With a small company With a 100-120 million dollars So we have a For a lot of money to grow from there You can compare it with The French blockchain group Which on their first six months Had generated Ungefähr 1-200 % I bitcoin yield That is more bitcoin per actie Under the period So how many bitcoin per aktie generates and then you take the bitcoin that you get in and then you take a fully diluted basis and look at all the event convertibles that can convert to an aktie are counted as if they had converted to an aktie so all the aktie that can be created out of the instrument we have and then you take the bitcoin that you get out of the aktie and see that the market bitcoin per action on a fully diluted basis will be done.

55:29And we talked a little about the previous before. How did you see the other's structure of the future? Did you take out any performance? And how will you stop in the money in this? Yes, in our case most of us have stopped in very much personally. For in my case, this is really been so I'd like to wish that a company was able to do it for to make a bitcoin. So I feel like I'm trying to stop in what for me is much. When it comes to performance we have been able to do what I think is smart that we have just incitament together with the airline with the actual so it doesn't have to pay no, it doesn't have to pay no, that type of no, no, no cost that are connected to us so no, no, no options program no, exactly, but it's just that when we generate yield and it's positive for the actual Then all management and all the government and all the government that will operate the company will get a better job for them.

56:29And then they will not get it because Bitcoin has gone up and the market has gone up. There is no value to it. But if it is more Bitcoin per market, then there is a value. Then we have created a value for the market. If Bitcoin has gone up in the kronom, it is completely irrelevant. We should just measure that if we do more bitcoin per actie, then it has created its value. And then it takes management and the stylus of what it is, 20 % of the new generated bitcoin that has created. So, for example, if you have 100 bitcoin and 100 acties, and then after a certain period we have generated so that it's still 100 but it's still 110 bitcoin.

57:12Then it's 10 more bitcoin. and then the actuality of the stock market has nothing. In the middle of the stock market there is nothing that you can't see anything, you can't see anything, you can't see anything up or down to bitcoin. It's not relevant for it's not we who are on the market. But just more bitcoin per stock, then the management and all are really good at it and then they will get something to do. And then they will take 20 % of the extra value that has created, but just met in bitcoin. And you see that many companies have been doing is there any scale for this? That if you have 1 bitcoin or 10 000 bitcoin, is it any difference?

57:44As Topias said, it's almost a scale of a deal. It's difficult to generate much yield, I Strategies' case. They have 600 000 bitcoin. It's very difficult to generate yield there. But when you have, as in our case, 100 million in initial, it's quite easy to generate yield, I think. For it's much easier to fly 100 million than 600 000 bitcoin. And if you want to read more both in front of the notification or contact the company how can you get it? btc.se is where I would recommend all of you to go you can follow us on x and all of you of course but we need to be feedback in all the world we think that it is a lot of creative things you can do we should generate yield on our bitcoins and people who think it's cool with investing and think that this type of work looks interesting will be able to hear from you because we're going to get ideas or whatever else I was going to say before that we're going to be the most transparent company on the market we want to be very easy for all investers to understand and understand so I'm going to ask your listeners to hear from us how we can do it på bästa sätt.

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0:00 Intro
5:24 Rapporter - Hexatronic, Kinnevik m.m
15:40 Fastigheter
24:02 Kurdistanoljan
27:51 Sommaraffärer
35:37 Enovix
37:32 Cambi
40:28 Index
41:36 Veckans Fill or Kill
44:32 Intervju med Bitcoin treasury capital! www.btc.se 


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