Avsnitt 585 - Årets miss

0:00Just what is it that you want to do? We want to be free. We want to be free to do what we want to do. And we want to get loaded. And we want to have a good time. And that's what we're going to do. We're going to have a good time. We're going to have a party.

0:285.88 Carlosorp conversat in Stockholm in September that is already trebut of the Może Since here The guests They mostly make itself yourself, be asleep on the new ones, pay a lot of money, or sit on the playa and enjoy a drink. Exactly. Free New School has also stängt on the midsommar so you can in the stort sett never look at. What happened then? They have the Juneteenth. Yeah. It's not a Brexit. It was one of the craziest midsommar-afton when you woke up or midsommar-afton. It was that the UK had been filmed. But in the USA has also stängt also on Friday. It's a quarter-send. It's a quarter-send.

1:16It's a quarter-send. It's both in the USA and in the world. I don't know how it looks like it. I rest of the Norden around the summer. But it's a quarter-send on Thursday. It's a quarter-send. We'll talk about SpaceX IPO. We'll talk about some of the end. We'll talk about some of the Iran-deal. We'll talk about some of the other things. It's been an oil company that has been affected by this. Guld has gone stark. IPO-marknaden börjar vakna till liv. Nasdaq har gått upp 7 ,5 % på en vecka här. Full fart. Vi tecknar SpaceX. Ja, teckna. Teckna sälj, teckna köp. Hur ska man göra? Hur har man betett sig?

1:54Allt ska gås igenom. Och kanske komma med lite sommartips inför hängmatteportföljen. Och i slut på avsnittet så har vi intervju med Stendörrens vd som är tillbaka. Intressant att höra om bolaget och fastighetssektorn. De har ju We've had it tough on the market, but it's like many companies that deliver on the market. So that we talked about with Stendurren. Super interesting. Obligations markets are one thing and the other one. It's really interesting to hear how it really goes in the market. Matit, we're going!

2:33We have with us Robomarkets. We say that it's happening on the American market.

3:07Now you do it. Yeah, it's already started to say. But exactly, there will be some index-includering here that you have to take care of. It's going to be a lot of time and it will be a chance to get to. Yeah, and I handle even the Octave. The one is both in Stockholm and in the USA. And it has been to and from a lot of spread there. And it can also handle both long and short. It's very good to have several companies with different handlebars There are some opportunities that can give very interesting places when it happens. Yes, exactly. And you don't want to understand what it can do for a discounting or what you actually have to do with these affairs when they are up.

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4:18I thought we could start with Westum. The old company that took over We, which I think was up over 10 000 percent a while. They were with the company in the company for the first time Conny Ryk I was on the way I was on the way I was on the way I met some small children that I was on the way with the first time and then it was instead of saying it's a company or something then it was just RYK over the whole so it was all cred to Conny Ryk that's on the way with their money in the young people but it was snarerate a tecken from gud köp Westum for the next time Efter kom de ju med en mega nyhet här Men det gjorde jag inte Men det borde man ju tagit till sig när det bara stod ryk Var jag än gick så stod det bara ryk I hela enskede Men Westum då, de sålde en del Av sin business, den här Flow businessen Med inriktning på vatten För 6 ,5 miljard Jag tror inte så många har tagit Växtum på riktigt, de gjorde de här Kändes som hundratals förvärven Och sen har det liksom fört en anonym tillvaro Men De har ju byggt upp olika ben här and this was the water part and he managed to sell this for 6 ,5 billion and would do it for 13 ,5 per kronor and the action stood at 12 ,50 before so it's very easy to sell something the market has not written all the whole world here so it's a little fun for the value investerings it might be coming back but it was Concilium which also sold it to Nordic Capital they were good at finding what should I say, under - or over-värderade togay for the company where Concilium sold something that was 200 % over in the company or like that and then Westum then a del that is that you can get to it feels like it will be a interesting day the day the day the day the deal goes on 13.50 how much it is that is the actual the actual around 16 now so you are the rest of the del to 2 ,5 krona but it will be It's fantastic for the owners, if you're a big fan, you'll get lost very much cash.

6:29I think Conorick would get lost 1 billion. So it's just to lift up on him to the house with this building that he has built up himself. And if I minst it, he also sold his own company to Nordic Capital. So there's a lot of that to take a good ground with skin in the game. then there's a good plan. They work often for all the company. Have you any other case? It seems like it's many companies that have some parts that are worth more than the whole. But it's not that the lead is not to do it. Or that you can do it on a way. It's probably many things you've looked at through the year. But it tends to take so long.

7:14This is a value case. And it's a very long time Until it actually happens Yeah, but exactly We had even Volati Some delated up their company I can just mention now Ecostar Rymnbolaget Some sits with a lot of SpaceX-actions SpaceX went to the market The market went up The market went down 7 % And it went down I don't know what it is Lockup Yeah, but you can also look at what the price of the price is. And it's just the price of the price of the price. This is the price of the price of the price of the price of the price. That's why they're on so many SpaceX. It's not the case. It's not the case.

8:07It's the same with Softbank. They also have 50 % of the price. For example, you don't really think about OpenAI-to-value. No And it's like Kinnevik So it depends on a little Antingen sits on your own own You own yourself It's on your own Is it worth more or less Or you can sit on your own Noting on your own And you can handle Stor rabatt So it's important to do If the lead is going to do something In Kinneviks case To maybe take off a new To show you that we To buy money for 50 dollars With a price of kron Yes, exactly Softbank is well Kapitalförstörare Or capital-görare It depends on who you are.

8:43Yeah, you're still out. But they're still in a high risk. They have many dikes-körningar. There are some good affairs too, for me to say. Absolutely. But the good affairs tend to be... It's often that they're not going to do. No, and what I can do with it is that they said that they looked at a strategic oversight. It often used to be a good trigger. that it should happen in a half a year. You can wait for a case to happen and then it takes five years. It's important to see that management should also see this. In many cases can you count on a single time and you think, why press them not here?

9:32Why do they not do this? It's not always so that management actually spring on the same ball as you see it. Ofta sitter de bara där och lyfter lön. Man vill att management ska se samma sak och försöka jobba för att framhäva de världarna. Det är inte alltid det sker. Sen ser man vikten av att vara påläst. Jag kollade på Volati i veckan. De delade upp sitt bolag i två. Volati och Salix Group. Först knoppas man av. Jag som har blivit någon avknoppningsexpert den sista tiden som har varit framgångsrikt. and then you can calculate how much Volati goes down when Salix was released and then the day Salix began to get a real value it was what happened in Hexagon Octave and here it was a real thing because Salix was a very large part of Volati so first opened it with 20 kronor down and you saw a analyst who had written at it was worth 50 kronor so Volati when you buy Volati the day then, then you didn't get a deal in this Salix and then opened it 30 kronor for a while so then it crashed it very much to its right value but then maybe people can buy Volati they don't know that it has got X so it's up to banks to inform it or so have people a different view of value but had you done the other end And so far, you know, and you had to do a fantastic affair.

11:06So it really matters to be on the hook. And it's like, here was not so many, it was like, it was not so many, like, that would be like, that would be like, that it would be like a little under the radar. It's not so many people who follow it, it's not so many people who have calculated. And if you do job then, then you have a edge. I have a great company on this topic, and it's Honeywell in the USA. They have a spin-off now, the 29th of June. so they spin out of their aerospace and then they will be able to do it and it's a case Elliot was with, he got in as an activist it was a guy so I've been working on it in almost a year it's been a spin off in the end and now it's the next one and it's aerospace-delen it's a little bit but I'm going to sell it again you want to be a car in the old age or you want to what do?

11:59Vilken del ska du behålla? Aerospace eller den andra? Jag behåller den vanliga. Sen satte de Continuum, för de som gillar kvantbolag, det är många som tittar på. Continuum är ett kvantbolag som satts på börsen här, som gjorde IPO för någon vecka sedan. Hanwell är stor ägare i det. Det är ett jätte konglomidat, en jätteindustrikoncern. Hanwell är en gamla boomeraktie. and they have decided to be able to to get the opportunity to get the opportunity as GE did for example from the Embrace do now, from the way to get up many to and to get out, and now they would get out one more time there so it is to and with Carnegie has to and with his spin-off-fond it is very many studies that show that you have made an over-off-kastning in these spin-offs so I have really started to look at it on the end it was still the Octave, it was a little back and back, now it has come back and become very weak here.

12:57So now I've increased up again. You could convert your Swedish to American. It felt like many did it. And then you've got to get out your American. Even if you didn't get the American. The American-actional was very high compared to the Swedish. And then I thought, now I'm going to convert a lot of vins. But it went up. But trots it, the American has started to handle much worse than the Swedish. And has started to get a bigger volume. I saw that Insiders They bought very much here For a week ago And now, in the way, came a new flagging But on the way, the insiders And they were going to be in the USA And they were going to be in the country In two years or something But I saw that Insiders They're just three people And they've been to buy for 60 million So they should take off Risken for a bad thing Q2 We're still in the 15th of May Or June So they're not so long So they should have a lot of time On the kvartal and sminked up the number of numbers here so I still have Octave and handle the little bit back when the number of numbers have I sold out a little and now I have increased on real here now when the number has gone very weak on the end I saw that software that they call it the ETF that was near 10 % on a week here so it was a real stud while it became an off-knotting in the software sector and now they have Now they all have to go and wipe on something on a five-throw.

14:24And as I'm saying it, it doesn't Octave live in the far zone, but it's not.

14:34We are sponsored by Vansa. This week they have launched Social Sparating via Placera Forum. where you can follow friends, experts, profile, on the forum, how others invest and get inspiration. Exactly. So you can make a portfolio, you get a rating on 1-5 sth. And you can comment on your own profile, you can see lists of trends and elements, and you can inspire top members with best discounted risk. So if you want to go on, you can create a profile. Placera Forum, so can you pop up which portfolio you want to show and then you're going. Yeah, exactly. And I like to see lists over trend - and companies.

15:21Innan you could look at Placera Forum which has the highest activity. There you know that it's popular small-spar-acties. And now you can see which companies trend - and sell - Exactly. Put the money with the mouth. Yeah, exactly. It's maybe someone in the forum that's written so much so it's showing that he has no akties. So this is interesting. Intressant. Man måste ge in och botanisera, hitta några favoriter. Man kan känna igen och använda namnen sen innan. Då kan man se vad de har i portföljen. Eller hitta andra profiler som har antingen intressant avkastning eller man gillar vad de skriver och se vad de har i portföljen.

15:56Så spana in det. Stort tack Avanza. Men kom ihåg, investeringen bär risk och det är inte säkert att du får tillbaka ditt investerade kapital.

16:09Ska vi hoppa till veckans superämne då SpaceX Yes Båda vi tecknade ju Skulle man teckna Teckna stort Teckna litet Jag körde väl någon gyllene svensk väg Och tecknade lagom Man fick väl ändå Relativt stor tilldelning Det var liksom inga Jag vill säga sådana här 60 aktier 2000 kronor Men priset var ju 135 dollar Så det blev väl 1200 1300 kronor And Man fick ju ändå en ganska bra 1200 % Det var ju bra Det var ju en fantastisk tilldelning Man var ju bara dum att man Var så snål och feg Och så här i efterhand Så var ju tydligen det här Det mest riggade på ett positivt sätt Ingen får sälja, det finns ingen lockup Megaliten free float in i alla index Jag Hamlade där från mobilen för det öppnade ju ganska sent I fredags och då har man ju call-pris, and then ticked it down to the whole time.

17:05You can try to find a jemmy there, buy it, buy it, buy it. And upenbarligen, Kreti och Pleti didn't get in a deal, because it was a enorm after-frågan. They and index-fondes would be in here, no matter what price. So I sold my call-in, but it's the lowest price ever since, I've never ticked less. Grattis to me. It was a winst, but I stood here like a jävla phone-tratt. And then I took it up, and this was also a classic. I stood and slog hela dagen fram och tillbaka, hände ingenting och sen igår gick den väl upp 20 % eller någonting. Jag sålde mina igår. Och idag är den upp 10 % till för nu har ju då alla enkla sålt ut och nu blir det bara ETF-körning och ja, liksom ingen ligger på minus.

17:46Det här blir liksom perfekta momentum-aktien tills det kommer någon sån här 10 %-stropp och då kommer magin dö. Men den ja, det var du som berättade vi fick i vår chatt här att Elon Musk tjänade mer igår än vad Warren Buffett har förmögenhet eller tjänat i hela sitt liv eller någonting. Så det är sinnessjuka tal, men det är ju bara för att det är 4 % av aktierna i SpaceX som handlas. Ja, den låga fyfråten gör ju att det blir tryck i aktierna. Ja, det blir lättare. Och sen så ska den ge in, jag vet inte, den ska in i Russell, vad är det? Det är väl den här veckan. Och sen ska den in i MSCI, och sen är det 6 eller 7 juli så är inkluderingen i Nasdaq 100.

18:29So you're going to have index-fonder that are going to buy that you're going to buy in. So it's a flow. And then all those who will be able to do indexes I must take in a little SpaceX in all of a way so you don't get it. So you have a little flow in the flow. Then I think that it's sell-share. We know that it's lock-ups and so on. And it looks like 69 months so it's just a look at how Clanas and the other side then it was just a look at it. Then it was just a look at it before. Yeah, I mean it's probably a lot of how you can put it up. Today I think I think all options should be going to be released here.

19:16Yeah, then it's also a different thing. Then you can buy a lot of sell options without full attention. But for that it works. But for that it works. Yeah, exactly. Or that someone else does it or that if you do it on a custodian account I don't know how it is, but it's clear that it's going to be a solution. Yeah, you must in all of a sudden and a little bit more invested in all the time. This is a and all the other, and all the other, a and all the other, a saga that you've managed to get a company to this value. He knows exactly how he's going to play the game. We're going to be the one who's sitting and saw in the asphalt here.

19:51So they're going to spend our game. How do you think about it? I don't want to talk about the action so much more. I have no real edge here, I think. No, it feels like a start to petters. But index-includering, you should look at the flow. See how fronted it is. And as you mentioned, today will option come back to the market. It's very difficult to have an edge. And I think when you're close to it, so underscats the whole Elons fanbase. he's not so popular in the normal media but on the market there's no one that has created so many resources that he has made to his Tesla fanboys and like that and it doesn't look at looking at any on this one, this is an investment in Elon it's interesting I think that rest of the sector and the company has gone to the they have totally crashed after it has gone well and then it has gone bad and it has gone bad and there has been SpaceX been a form of a mechanism of capital.

21:01That it's a different way to stop in SpaceX. And some maybe think that it's for that SpaceX is the end game in town. I don't think that. But it's just that the RymDTF and so, they also take in SpaceX. And I think that then you need to to create space for space and create a liquid and sell in the house for that to take in space and then the most important thing that space will have and the most important because it is the absolute biggest company so it is many such flows that are in the company and I have seen many theories and I think that this is like a Starburst release, when should I sell before, how should I sell and here, yeah the market is still for all it's time to 2-3 weeks before and then it's just a tick trots notering trots success and all that and another theory it was just you know you buy a lot of rymdexponering for SpaceX and now when SpaceX is on the market then you sell the the rymdexponering you buy because now you can buy the best rymd on the market even if it is it or not and it is AI they are just 100 different parts of the market it's not just but but But it was a clockwork case in the beginning of the year to call a company and now we're in a perfect storm here.

22:29So we'll see if HSN will come back or what's happening with the whole room. It won't be a solution with the investment. Self-redubate has a solution, I think. And then we'll see, but it may be enough for that they should just use it. Just that self-redubate has a solution. Then it's like SpaceX and Stalin should have a monopoly so that's geopolitical so no one will not be able to do it It will be a European and also have gone bad I have a hard to see why they will go down now we have a little bit of freedom and we have a SpaceX-notation but I have a hard to see that it will have happened so much in their business At it will be a freedom of Iran or that the war doesn't have developed more It's just a time to invest and invest and build up Yes, exactly It has been a lot of difficulties that we need to be prepared Because we haven't been prepared for this time So I don't see it as a fred that it's a long time We've done this time It should be glad for But it also shows that we need to be prepared for next time Yeah, but exactly So, for example I'm going to get a new, a new, a new And it was that USA stopped it Tropics, Fable and Mythos, it's called it And Fable is actually a myth Fast with Hängslen and live-rem, I'd like to say With stödjul Or, yeah, staket So that you can't do galna stuff Now it's like It was Amazons VD that lifted it to the Vita Huset who said that we had gone around the security murals that had been around the Fable in the Tropics model he lifted it to the Vita House and visited it he had a discussion with Tropics but it was done with that they had 90 minutes to stend for all the American people even in the USA and out of the country and Tropics said that It didn't leave any alternative That we could just stop it For all And USA Held it natural security And therefore was Antropic's trying to stop it It's also Can we be Beroende of americans tech It's not so small Same thing in Ukraine When Stalin It was on the slagfält Direct So, bring your own gear.

25:15It's that content for Europe is to take with it. We can't be completely dependent on this. In so far, we have no policy or our own opinion. I know that some people say, but then you put in a kill switch. It's a skit-dålig solution. because when you need it, it's when you need it. So we're going to invest in it, whether it's Europe or not. And EU needs to be able to get into the bag and really start gas. And just like, a lot of red tape, as it calls on English. And really press the platter in the mat. Yeah, and this is a little... Majodragi has said it in several years. What a matter of time is that they need to get your act together.

26:08And yeah, you know, you can get your act together. Whether they say they're ill or not. No, this is a little bit the same thing. All the small business companies have gone to a catastrophe in a year. Saab has come back a little bit here at the end. But it's a little bit the same as SpaceX. It's just the big ones that go very strong. It's very selective. And you can see that all ETFs and like that often just buy the... The biggest company is just the bigger and bigger and bigger. The influx of the... Just on the financial side of the company, there are well... The company satsar. Yes, absolutely.

26:43And they're going to be out. But still, all the financial company is really small. Yes, but I think you need to be able to see what the curve is. For example, when you look at... I know that architecture... They have so much to do. What are they doing for? We need to have a infrastructure. There's different feedback on what the market has invested in. Now there are physicalctions that need. There will be different pieces on the Midwest, which the money runs through. Now, pack Japan to run the controlled by The gold enном maybeier. They are now, outside of the EU. They have decided to do this fly, the flysar with Frankrike.

27:33They are paused. They paused for Tyskland doesn't wait for Frankrike, so they are still. It's Tyskland that's going to be in Europe again. This time it's good.

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31:11We'll see you next time Next Friday We had a meeting We had a SpaceX-notation Trump is in the war He likes the data Maybe not in time But he likes the drama So vips So he fixed up a deal with a deal He said it was now now 400 times Now they have written under Some form of MOU It looks like a spotlight company It's like It's going to sign up on the right now The new conversation It's like a talk of a framework for it Man has almost got to know what it is It's signed and not But they say that from and from and from When it's written on the right So it's going to open up Oljan crashed on the right It's been a long time It didn't crash on the upside And now it has come down very much So there are many of them Have felt that the oil was going to 200 dollars And like that And it feels like The most on-the-play Are most overwhelmed here All the lag of the level is super low It stops over all And still have the price on the screen Not been so extreme as they thought No, and then came the news About that they have been smuggled Out of oil in the sun It was almost 100 million fat Now many experts say That it's not 100 million fat Alltså So many fat Transponder-fri But oavsett So it's The price on the screen It says that I have Läckt olja Little anywhere All right What do we have To go on But it's I note That If you want to The administration Or Trump Till skillnad från Till exempel krig annars Gör det att det börjar så här Långsamt Man klappar till varandra Lite här och där Och så eskalerar kriget Medans Trumps Hittills hans konflikter Det är ju motsatt Det är full gas On från början Och sen ebbar det ut i något så här Mellanmjölk som man knappt vet what it started to do I mean, I mean, I vanliga fall it can be that krigets mått eskaler and then it can be a fred that sets stop for everything Now it's not true It's not true It's full gas from the beginning and then it's out of a mismatch and then it's not to focus on it anymore and then it's just a half-misshyr to deal They would get to get 300 billion dollars in skadesond and like so it's a lot of numbers For it's not that they fly up and down.

33:55Yeah, it's not that I know. And if it's not that... It's not that the American company should be able to buy up Iran after all. Yeah, but it's not that. Win-win, I'm not sure. But lose, lose. Oavsett, that oil prices are positive. It's also that it's not so long... It's not so long... It's not that Trump's 80-year-old, as you mentioned. UFC, Vita Huset, it was a lot that could happen there. Exactly, it's football and VM and it's between the end of the year. So he has a little limit here, that he got a lot of bensinpriser and like that. And even NATO said that they were going to help us in the Sunday from July.

34:43And it was a time for when it started to and make it so wrong in the economy. When NATO said that if this continues to be in July then we will help. And it was a little that they looked at that they were looking at that they were so low so they must do something. So it was not so long before that. That's what we see now. But the oil is really hard. It's 81 dollars here. Oil companies crash on it here. I look at Chamaran. They've bought a little bit. Super high risk. but they have not had any production when the price has been high but a fred is that they produce then they handle them to super low multiples but it's a very high risk it's like the other oil companies if they go down much on this it's interesting to buy them because oil will be higher in a longer period than what we had done before in my opinion you will get out but they will get out for long in the oil company you will get out to buy 30 dollars then you will not have oil I don't know how long he talked about it I think that another interesting spaning That you can learn now When the market and the rubric Are going to write for much So it's time Or it's time to write narrative When we write a number of people Who are on flygplats It was like the bottom of COVID And when we started to calculate the amount of the equipment in the Hormuzund Every day, every time Then topped the oil You understand my thinking?

36:31Absolutely When it gets for 90 gritty So it's like edge on the floor And then it's for the way And then something looks like For on 120 Or on what was it? It was almost like 120 On around 120 dollars It was just a few times That's how we count tankers And count every fat And so on And it was the same with the top Yeah, but exactly And something else I looked at Is something to have with When it's for 90 gritty So it's like Now it's over You know, you can find a raw Or an oil-analytical In a lot of people who ask Something on the front He's going to put it on a interview when he's going to TV. He's in the smear.

37:17Exactly, in three months. I've looked a little bit on gold. It has come down quite a lot. Now it's done it on this Friday. I've looked at some gold companies. It can be interesting here. It has come down a lot. Lundin Gold and Mimera have been very much. There's still two spades. lite intressant. Vissa är inne på att guld efterfrågan kommer minska från centralbanker och liknande nu när man ska rusta upp. Så då måste man ta pengarna från någonstans och då försvinner den naturliga köparen. Sen läste jag väl att Tether, den här kryptaktören, var för största köpare av fysisk guld. För de har ju deras Tether då.