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30:16And and I think that the way that the the the the show uses that structure to really put us into the mind of each character. Yeah. At a different point, I thought was very well done and very effective. Yeah. And so you have you have characters who are mysterious in the beginning and they reveal themselves over time. I thought that worked really well. Yeah. And the only the other thing that I just wanted to mention that we haven't really talked about yet. We mentioned that it looks really good. But I was curious what you felt about, like, especially in the Simon episode. Yeah. The sort of the color palette of the whole show kind of changes without explanation.

30:55The trees are bleeding, man. Yeah, the trees are on fire, man. I love it. It seems like something Peter Brook would have been, he would have been like far out, man. The trees are, it's like he's in hell, man. The trees are red. So, like, you know, the very, the first couple of episodes, very naturalistic. They're on this deserted island. There are trees. They look lush. It's verdant. It's beautiful. And then the Simon episode, suddenly the island looks a lot more mysterious, a lot more ominous. A lot of the foliage is almost, it's just now inexplicably red. It's so good. Red leaves. Everything is red.

31:27I love the man. And yellows and shades of earth tones. Very interesting. And they don't comment upon it. They don't make a big thing out of it. Well, Simon tries to comment. He tries to explain it to the others and he can't get his words out because he's too, Simon is my favorite character I think um and it took me a while to get there and I think that episode is just so cool there's a lot of stuff in in this version in the new version that does it's totally new um Simon's relationship to Jack they they're both in the choir together so they knew each other beforehand it's very ambiguous of like where these kids come from that they all come for the same school or whatever.

32:07And nobody knows. And that goes back to the book. The original version of that Golding wrote, there's a first chapter that explains everything and his editor took it out. Right. Like there's a chapter of them getting on the plane and the plane crashed and all that's gone. So for 75 years, people have been asking these questions about the kids. But the thing about the Simon episode is, that's new, is the stuff about his diary and he kind of has a crush, you could say, on Jack? Oh, absolutely. I think it's not subtle. I think that's exactly what's going on. He's got a crush on him, or he certainly looks up to him.

32:46Then he starts going a little nuts, because they could all go nuts. They're alone on this island, but he starts communing with the beast or the dead pig head and the Lord of the Flies itself. The titular Lord of the Flies. and then um and then he gets murdered and it's it's wild spoiler alert spoiler um but um yes it does get nuts visually and i loved it um the the throughout the series there's a great many shots of nature there's you know caterpillars and hermit crabs and um pigs yeah lots of pigs that's in the 63 version 2 not as much and it's funny because whenever there are shots of nature people are like oh it's so influenced by terence malick and that's such a that's such a bonehead thing to say because just Terrence Malick does not own shots of nature you know there were shots of nature before him there'll be shots of nature after him but it was funny I was thinking to myself oh some people are going to think this is very inspired by Malick and then the very very very end of the series the last three minutes uses the same sound cue from Tree of Life uh the um I think it's called the funeral the funeral fanfare whatever so I'm like okay Okay, maybe it's not so stupid to compare it to Malick.

33:59Okay. That is definitely in there by design because it was not a famous piece of music before it was used in Tree of Life. So that, you know, Malick owns that piece. That's on loan by the new Lord of the Rings. I did love the other musical choices. It's all the music of the time. It's all Rafe Vaughn Williams and other 20th century Benjamin Britten and a handful of other. And as we mentioned, the boys are in a choir and there's a lot of choir music that is used, I think, to a very ominous effect, which I liked quite a bit. A lot of Kyrie Eleison stuff, pretty groovy. It sets a mood. That sets a mood.

34:40I got to say, though, I was wondering, by really the third episode, these kids, I mean, they look like they've completely made, they have all this makeup on. Yes, well, they found that that's new to that. That's not in the book either. They find those old luggage bags. They find luggage with luggage from the plane and they find women's clothing and they find makeup. So that's how they that's explained, you know, in the book, they find they do paint their faces. They find some chalk and they kill bugs to get the red dye. And they do to make themselves look, you know, like savages, as how they described it in the book.

35:19um uh and and and but with this there's like shots of them wearing like skirts and they look like divas for a few minutes it's it's pretty wild right it's pretty cool uh i really i mean i thought it was great it does seem at times the i understand they find makeup in the wreckage but there were times where it's so elegantly and like beautifully put on it's like is there was there like a makeup artist just like was there one grown-up who survived who's very good at putting on makeup Because that was the one thing that kind of took me out of the naturalism of this story, I suppose, is how beautifully they are, artfully they are made up.

35:58That's fair. In ways that are, they seem a little beyond, again, these are such little kids. Yeah. They are incredibly good at putting on this terrifying but beautiful makeup. That's a good point. Well, they teach themselves pretty quickly how to make spears and how to slaughter a hog. That's true. How to kill one another. so it is interesting that you know a lot of you know a lot of the netflix original stuff i feel is not is is certainly very watchable as a reason it's such a popular streaming service but a lot of it isn't that elegant and this one really is and and it but it isn't a netflix original it's a bbc production that they acquired for the north north american um nobody in britain or elsewhere i don't know about elsewhere in europe but certainly nowhere in britain is watching this on netflix They're watching on their BBC iPlayer, as it's called.

36:48So it's not really. And do we assume that they only acquired it because of adolescence? Is that a fair assumption? I mean, they had a preexisting deal, maybe, or just I don't know. I'm not sure what we would have to research. But that was sort of that's my assumption because of because of what you're saying. This this is a very classy, but not just classy, like very, you know, quiet, hushed. You know, there's long stretches where there's these young men walking through the tall grass, you know, like hunting pigs. And, you know, it's not what we've talked about on previous episodes of this podcast about Netflix, where they're, you know, allegedly, according to Matt Damon, the executives are telling filmmakers we need loud explosions.

37:29we need people explaining things constantly we need excitement in the first five minutes this show has no use for any of those notes no so that's why i'm wondering if if if that's the reason is because it's jack thorne and he had adolescence that was so huge for them i'm not sure but they're not that would be my assumption no it's a bbc production this is an acquisition for netflix and you're absolutely right they give no explanation about a lot of things furthermore Or if you're not really paying attention that the whole bit with the parachutist, and it's the same in the book. It's like if you zone out for the two sentences that explains how the parachutist got there, you're just going to think, oh, there's a parachutist there and not know where it is.

38:09And frankly, Matt Damon's version of Netflix would have made it clear, oh, that was not the beast. That was the parachutist. Like if you're not on it, it's like this is a little bit of a you need to engage your brain. It's not this is not for second screen watching. You're not flipping your Instagram, texting your friend. You actually have to watch this, which is why I say it feels more, more like a movie than a TV show. I mean, it really does feel quite good. I mean, I give it, I really did enjoy it. And the issue I pointed out earlier with the casting, it didn't bother me, but I just thought it was interesting.

38:43And I am kind of curious how other people feel because I do feel that it is, I don't know. This is an interesting topic to think about. How do you approach these issues of films and shows that are set in the past? You want to cast them, especially if it's pointed to have a younger audience, potentially. You want to have a diverse cast. But when does your desire for diversity today in 2026, when is it undercut being honest about the past? And I don't know the answer to that question. It's a very thorny issue. A Jack Thorny issue. I knew you were going to say that. If I could have bet my entire bank account on you making a thorn, thorny pun, I would be rich.

39:27I would be rich right now and I wouldn't have to talk to you about movies anymore. But nonetheless, we persist. We shall move forth. Yeah. Should we talk about recommendations loosely associated with this film? In other words, the next chapter in this episode of the podcast? Let's do that. But first, let's just remind people, if they haven't seen it, we have been discussing The Lord of the Flies, not Lord of the Rings. The only person who said it wrong in this entire episode was you. Isn't that funny? It was your fault. After I was worried about it. Lord of the Flies. And the entire series, all four episodes, is currently streaming on Netflix.

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42:46Complete disclosures available at public.com slash disclosures. That was our review of the new TV version of Lord of the Flies. Lord of the Flies, not Lord of the Rings. But what if you already watched Lord of the Flies? What if you can't relate to Lord of the Flies because the notion of being stranded on a deserted island away from other people in social media sounds like the greatest possible vacation imaginable? unimaginable rather than a grim allegory about man's inhumanity to man? Nothing? Okay. What if you were annoyed that Lord of the Flies was not actually about the pitcher who leads Major League Baseball in fly ball outs, San Francisco Giants pitcher Robbie Ray?

43:27Wow, that's a good one. Okay, that I got. I got something at least. For all of you and the rest of our listeners, we present... Rex Egg! Yeah! Rex Egg! Pew, pew, pew! Pew, pew! Stop. Rexig! Stop. Rexig! Okay. It's our weekly recommendations inspired by our main review. Plus, we give some personalized recommendations to you, the SVU listeners, who write into our email address, feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. Jordan, you said you wanted me to go first this time? If you'd like to, go right ahead. Yeah. Well, I'm curious to know. I have no idea what your Rexig is going to be for this. okay well first i did want to give a brief shout out to a movie that we mentioned on the show briefly last week which would make i think a fantastic double feature with lord of the flies maybe maybe not this one just because oh i know i know what you're gonna say what am i gonna say you're gonna say the sam raimi film send help because we mentioned it last week yeah that's correct we mentioned it last week it's newly on hulu and that one is about a very similar premise to Lord of the Flies, this obnoxious nepo baby tech bro.

44:42He gets stuck on an island after a plane crash with his very efficient but kind of mousy assistant or underling at his company, Dylan O 'Brien and Rachel McAdams. And then he's used to being in charge, but now the tables have turned. And she happens to be an obsessive survivor fan. And so she knows how to survive on this island. And he's hopeless and he's kind of injured from the crash. You know what? You think you're so smart. Well, guess who you're talking to? CEO of a next gen 500 company, baby. That's right. A company your father built. God rest his soul. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. You know what? You're so done.

45:29Huh? Yeah, you're so fired. Oh, am I? Yeah. Oh, no. it treads a lot of the same thematic territory as lord of the flies and it has a lot of violence but it's very funny in that classic dark comedy ramey style so it's wonderful but i have a feeling a lot of people listening probably have already seen it or they're planning to see it without me telling them so i thought yeah but it is on hulu so i just wanted to mention it now Now, if you do like the premise of Lord of the Flies being stranded somewhere, but you don't necessarily want your nerves jangled by power struggles, by child murder, you may want to watch Swiss Family Robinson from 1960.

46:23Wow. Directed by Ken Anakin, produced by Walt Disney Pictures. It is streaming on Disney+. That is where I watched it this weekend for the first time. Yeah. The setup based on another classic novel, very similar to Lord of the Flies. You have a family traveling to a new home in Papua New Guinea in the 1800s. The ship is attacked by pirates and is then wrecked off the coast of this deserted island. You have the father, played by John Mills, the mother, played by Dorothy McGuire. They have their three sons, James MacArthur, Tommy Kirk from Catalina Caper, and Kevin Corcoran. Plus, there's a whole menagerie of animals.

47:10They have two enormous Great Danes as pets. And they build a home on this island. And I mean that literally. This stuffy, I guess, Swiss, but he talks with a British accent, middle-aged dad. and his rambunctious sons make the coolest treehouse in the history of mankind. It has running water in the sink. It has skylights in the bedroom. It is absolutely ridiculous. It's like Gilligan's Island, the level of impossible technology, made out of bamboo and coconuts. Yeah. And instead of the child nightmare that is Lord of the Flies, you know, I guess there's an adult nightmare aspect of it too. But just the idea of you're a kid, you're away from your parents, you're alone.

47:57There's no one to help you. You're surrounded by bullies. Instead of that, you get the child's fantasy of what if I was on the coolest adventure with my family? I got to hang out with these wild animals. I have a private swimming hole with ropes to swing into the pool. There's even like a water slide for some reason.

48:22The world is full of nice, ordinary little people who live in nice, ordinary little houses on the ground. But didn't you ever dream of having a house up on a treetop? It is a very, very silly film. And it only gets sillier when you watch it 12 hours after you finished watching Lord of the Flies, where everything is so fraught, survival is so intense. Here, this family, they create a refrigerator in the jungle in the 1800s. But I have to say, I was very charmed by a lot of this movie. The set is magnificent. This treehouse, they really built this treehouse. And it was such a cool set. Disney, being no dummy, they turned it into a theme park attraction, which still exists.

49:1260 years later at most Disney theme parks there is still a Swiss family Robinson treehouse even though no child has seen this movie in 25 years yeah well that's how I that's how I know it I mean I know I've been to Disney World in Florida and I I do know that uh ride or attraction whatever I don't know if I've ever seen the film I may have seen clips of it I don't think I had ever I never watched it. I had zero memory of it, but I loved the treehouse as a kid. Yeah. When I would go to Disney, I always liked walking through the treehouse. Yeah. And so I watched the movie. And as movies go, it's a hell of a treehouse.

49:53Yeah. It does have beautiful widescreen photography. They shot this on this island. I think they shot it in Tobago, I think. Oh, wow. It looks like a paradise. Wow. You know, and widescreen photography, technicolor, beautiful. they didn't just shoot that in southern california and just no no they did not they they found like a an island in the caribbean and spent like six months there shooting it now it does have some of the most grotesque stereotypes i do want to point this out the pirate characters they make johnny depp's performance in the pirates of the caribbean franchise look like a model of restraint and sensitivity i must say this but um it is a fascinating thing to watch in comparison to Lord of the Flies.

50:40Not just because they're so different. They were released within five years, six years of each other. The novel is 54. This movie is 1960. And I think it's such an interesting window into these competing ideas, you know, this kind of mid 20th century fantasy of self-reliance, of ingenuity. We're going to tame nature. We're going to have this grand and glorious adventure. Everything's going to work out. And it's something that in some ways, Lord of the Flies, even though it was written before this movie, obviously the Swiss Family's Robinson book was written many, many years before. But the movie, you know, it almost feels like Lord of the Flies is almost like trying to debunk the very premise.

51:23It very much is. No, when Golding wrote it, there was a book that if you were a British kid in the 50s, it was something called Coral Island or Coral Reef Island or something. And, you know, Golding was, he taught at a British school and he was reading this Coral Reef Island, which was exactly like Swiss Family Robinson, like about, or more like Treasure Island or like these boys are shipwrecked. Sure, shipwrecked, boys' adventure. Yeah, and it all works out great. And then he was like, look, I'm a teacher. And I know what these kids are like. They're monsters. These kids are smocks. They're animals.

52:02And he said to his wife, I want to write a book about what boys are really like. And she said you should do it. He also was a World War II vet. And he was there at D-Day. And he witnessed firsthand the brutality of mankind and how horrible. If you think going on Facebook today is rough, imagine what being a D-Day was like. It was really rough. so um you know he he really saw some some horrible shit so that those two elements are what inspired him right getting back to swiss family robinson the way i know it i guess i bear i think i may have seen clips of it over the years but of course i know lost in space and i knew you were going to have to address this at some point yeah lost in space is is is there the robinsons danger robinson danger robinson yeah and i love lost in space it's it's a hoot and a half i think it's a great, great show.

52:52It gets sillier as it moves on. And, you know, so any excuse, maybe it's funny that I've never actually gone back and watched the original film. So you have inspired me. Yeah, if you want, you can check it out. Again, if I was going to recommend one as a purely you know, like as a quality film, I would probably say start with Send Help. That's a better movie. But I do think this is a very interesting thing to watch in context with Lord of the Flies because they do seem to be, they seem to be speaking to one another in a very, very interesting way. So Swiss Family Robinson, there's actually another version of the book, an RKO black and white Swiss Family Robinson is also streaming on Disney+.

53:35I did not watch that one. I don't know if it has a treehouse or not. I wanted the Disney one for the treehouse because that was the thing that had the appeal for me. So that's my recommendation. Swiss Family Robinson on Disney Plus. I really should watch this because just the other day, my wife and I were at a thrift store here locally and there was this very handsome, like hard cover book called Treehouses of the World. And I picked it up and I'm thumbing through it. I'm like, these treehouses are incredible. And I'm like, I think I just became a treehouse guy right now. And I bought the book.

54:12It was a dollar. You know, it was a good cause. I was going to this local thrift shop. So this is going to be, are you going to make a tree house? I don't, I guess there is. Maybe I should. Maybe, yeah. This could be like your we bought a zoo moment. You could make it. We built a tree house. I don't think I've ever stepped, other than the Disney tree house. Yeah, you've never been in a real tree house. I don't think I've ever been in a real tree house in my life. I have. You know, but like a very rudimentary one. I think when I had a friend growing up and they had a - like the cube tree house with the window, the hole.

54:47No, this was a slab of wood. A slab of wood? You just sat there. It wasn't tree house. It was a tree slab. It was just like a place to sit in the tree, but it was still fun. What would you do on there? No, no, no, hold on. You can't, I gotta hear more about the tree slab. You throw rocks at people. What are you doing? I don't know. You tell curse words, you know? You behave like Piggy and Ralph in the story. I see. You revert to your primordial self. All right, thank you. What is your recommendation? Yeah, because we got to get going. It's getting late. The first one I've got, I also sort of have a double shot, but I'm going to stick mainly with the more recent one.

55:24Okay. Quite the contrary. I tried to find something even darker than Lord of the Flies. You went and reversed them. I needed a pick-me-up after Lord of the Flies. So my descent into pure hell is one of the most disturbing films I've ever seen. not a masterpiece but it stuck with me and it is a recent film 2023 uh la so my spanish is terrible uh not even gonna try to say it in spanish the society of the snow now have you seen boy have you seen it have you seen it uh i mean i have not watched it no but i know what it is and that's why i haven't watched it yeah society of the snow which is uh on netflix it's a j a Bayona.

56:10Bayona, yes. I think is his name. And of course, in the 90s, it came out as Alive, which is the Frank Marshall version, which is good in its own way, but it's Hollywood version. Although there are some pretty painful moments, but Society of the Snow is hardcore. It is, of course, the very, very famous story about the plane crash that happened in the 70s. a group of, it was a rugby team from Uruguay in the Andes Mountains crashed and they survived X amount of weeks on the top of the mountain. They did not, I shouldn't say they all survived, many of them died on impact. Some of them died brutally and painfully days after suffering.

56:58And then more died later when there was an avalanche in the most horrible ways. But those that did survive, survived by feasting on the carcasses of their dead friends. And Oy Vesmir, as they say down in Uruguay, it is rough stuff. And the movie is just, it's pretty, it's just awful. And it's true. And I remember I watched it at home on Netflix on my computer to write about it. and like for days just haunted uh by by this story and it's um you know it's pretty famous i'm sure most people listening have at least a familiarity with it but the movie is pretty i at the time as i was watching i was like ah this movie's junk it's not that great i'm like no if you think about a movie non-stop for four days it's good right i mean it's making an impact um and uh what can i say man uh you haven't seen it but it's what i what what's interesting about the movie is that there's a lot of um it's not just about the survivors it's about the people who died as well and they kind of narrate scenes from beyond the grave at times and um it really gets into you know what actually happened and how they tried to when they did get back to civilization and that whole story was just crazy how they just they went in the wrong direction plenty of times and they'd just gone in another direction they would have found a there was like a lodge with canned food which if they just literally every time they tried to find help they went that away and then they would come back and be like ah no luck we'll try again tomorrow and they're all just starving and brutalized and had they gone the other way there would have been Goya beans as far as the eye can see.

58:51And it's just, oh my God. Anyway, so when they get back to civilization, they don't, you know, people are like, oh, how did you survive up there? And they go, oh, we didn't, you know, they didn't say how it happened. It came out later. And because they were ashamed, but also they thought that people were going to condemn them, but it almost made them more, I don't want to say heroes, but people were like more in reverence of what they went through, you know? um it's a very it's a you know all you can do when you watch like this is you think well what would i do how would i behave in such a situation and you don't know you don't know until you're there i mean i don't know that i could uh do what they did but you don't know uh it's it's it's it's crazy uh and there's some very bleak moments i don't want to get into the specifics because they'll haunt you forever but uh so here i go no there's like there's like the one guy the thing that it's just so sad it's like there there's there are many scenes when when it just gets worse how could it get worse suddenly gets worse they're in the fuselage of the plane And more snow comes in and they're all like drowning in snow.

59:57And they're trying to push up to the top to get air. And so this one guy, natural instinct is just to push up to swim through the snow to get air. And what he does, he confesses later, and he'll never know if it really was true, but in his head, he thinks it happened. to get up he had to push down with his foot and what he did was he pushed his wife further down and so he inadvertently kills his wife or so he thinks he does and that's not in the ethan hawk version that's too brutal but in this spanish version that's in there him confessing this and i'm just like oh my god this is this is just unbelievable who would who would think to put that in a movie and it's like well it's got to be from real life you know this is a real story that's that's the only nobody's that depraved yet so anyway that's the what that's the excitement that's awaiting you for society the snow if you want to watch it it's pretty intense but a lot of people did watch it was the number one netflix movie around the world when it came out even in the u.s despite it being a spanish language film and it was nominated for an oscar uh didn't win uh for best uh foreign language film um and it's it's pretty good you know j.a bayona bayona bayona He has made the only good Jurassic World movie was his, the one that's set in the haunted house.

1:01:16I disagree. I think they're all bad, but you're entitled to your opinion. You don't like the one where they go to the haunted house? No. That one was called? Fallen Kingdom. Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. You liked it so much, you don't know the name of it, but it was Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. It's a good movie. I liked it. They do the first half of the movie as in all Jurassic Park and world sequels. Yeah. They go, hey, remember that hell hole where there were dinosaurs roaming? That was the most dangerous place on Earth. We got to go back there and get something. And they go back. And this time, not only is there the dinosaurs, there's a volcano erupting.

1:01:55That's the first hour of the movie. Yeah, yeah. Then the second hour of the movie is like, hey, what if we were in a haunted house? But instead of a haunted house, there were dinosaurs, which is a little bit better. So good. I love it. But then the end of that movie, you've really, I hate the drama. Jurassic World movies. I'm sorry. You've really, I've only seen, you've invoked them and now I can't, I can't help myself. But then the end of that movie has kind of a fun ending too, which then the next movie completely pooped upon and like almost threw out the window, which enraged me further and made me retroactively like that movie even less.

1:02:29All right. I've unlocked, I've unleashed the velociraptor within. That's right. It's not that it's, well, I just remember. Stick with society of the snow, even if I haven't seen it. That's what I'm going to say. So that's a Netflix, I don't know if it was produced for Netflix or what, but it is exclusive to Netflix. And I love it. I love I love that we have such like the the widest possible range of movies you could possibly have about the exact same thing. It is. That's so magnificent. So it's a beautiful range. Like, you know, you have if you want to watch these horrific, the worst possible things imaginable that Jordan described or watch the family that made a refrigerator in the jungle out of coconuts and bamboo.

1:03:09The choice is yours. It's great. All right. Should we get to our personal recommendations? Do you want me to do you want me to go first? Yeah, let's do it. Let's blaze through because we've got to get to the game. So I have an email here from a listener named Crystal. Crystal. Crystal writes, every year I do a 31 Days of Halloween Horror Watch, which is something a lot of people do. I think maybe we need to do something like that at Halloween time, something to start thinking about, Jordan. Anyway, I'm always on the hunt for less mainstream or vintage titles. Some of my favorites include Eyes Without a Face, Pan's Labyrinth, The Substance, and last year's Weapons.

1:03:49Any recommendations would be very welcome. Well, those are all excellent choices, the four that Crystal mentioned. And I tried to think of a movie that I thought there's a very slim chance that Crystal has seen. Now, there's a chance. She does 31 Days of Halloween every single year. Maybe this has come up. But I tried to think of something that was pretty outside the mainstream. And the title I came up with, I don't know if you have seen this, Jordan. I don't know. I'm excited. It is a film called Halloween directed by John Carpenter. No, I'm kidding. The one I came up with is a it's a Polish film from 2015.

1:04:26And it's a motion picture called Demon. Have you seen this movie Demon? No, no, I haven't. I'll tell you about it. I saw it at Fantastic Fest in Austin in 2015, and it had a big impact on me. I mean, it was a movie like you, Jordan. This is something that I was thinking about, this movie, for days and days after I saw it. I couldn't stop thinking about it. And when Crystal sent this email and I was trying to think of horror movies that are a little less famous than John Carpenter's Halloween, This was one of the first ones that came to mind. And part of it, I admit, is that, you know, like when I saw this at Fantastic Fest, within like a week or two of prior to the screening that I attended of this film, the director, Marcin Rona, I believe his name is.

1:05:19I may have pronounced it incorrectly. He had died and apparently committed suicide in his hotel room in Poland while he was touring to promote this movie. Oh, my God. If he had been if he was still alive today, this would still be a very effective movie. It has a kind of a combination of psychological horror and very dark comedy in a vein, almost Sam Raimi-ish, that appeals to me. Obviously, I'm a sick person. Dark horror comedy is my favorite kind of horror movie. I love a scary movie that has a lot of comedy. It's just something that I, for whatever reason, nothing tickles my fancy more. But, you know, in this case, you know, the sort of meta story here of what happened to the filmmaker added this extra level of poignance to this film, which is about a seemingly happy man who has this terrible breakdown.

1:06:17It happens at a wedding, his wedding in the film, the character, the fictional character, the lead character's wedding. And shortly before the ceremony, he happens to, like, stumble across kind of an unmarked grave with human remains in it. And he's absolutely haunted by what he has found, first kind of metaphorically and then kind of literally. And over the course of this wedding ceremony and reception, the character's whole behavior changes. And it's not entirely clear to the viewer what is happening. Is he drunk? Does he have some sort of medical condition? Is he freaking out about getting married?

1:06:57I'm going to guess. Is it possessed by a demon? He could be possessed by a Dybbuk, a demon of Jewish legend to be specific. Yes. And I think one of the things that really resonated with me when I saw it was that the film isn't too explicit of saying this is what's happening. It allows you I also besides horror comedies, I enjoy movies where, you know, that sort of horror movie is allowed to be a little ambiguous of what is happening and the audience is allowed to think about that. And also, I think it's more relatable when it's uncertain. Like, you know, if the answer is, oh, it's definitely demonic possession, I always go, OK, well, unless I get possessed by a demon, I'm fine.

1:07:41But if it's unclear, if it could be something more personal, more psychological, more emotional, then that is very disturbing to me. And again, the movie is dark and disturbing. It is also very funny because the characters of the in-laws, this man's new in-laws, even as he has a total breakdown and his behavior breaks down and he's seemingly going insane, his in-laws are doing everything they can to pretend. Everything is fine. Everything is fine. You know, it's a classic. If you've ever been to a family get together where no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room and they encourage people, just enjoy yourselves, have fun.

1:08:26It's OK. Everything is fine. That's kind of going on and it gets both funnier and more disturbing with each new scene. And this sounds great. It is great. If I wanted to stream this, what service would it be on? Well, it is currently streaming on a service we haven't talked about much yet, but we should, called Tubi. It is on Tubi, where things are free. It's ad-supported, so you do not need a subscription. Tubi, I think, is it Tubi TV? Tubi.com? TubiTV.com? I think it's Tubi.tv, I think. Tubi.tv, that's it. Thank you. Tubi.tv. So that is my pick for Crystal. It's called Demon and she or anyone else listening.

1:09:10Very powerful film. Again, the autobiographical element, very sad. And I think adds even more kind of haunting qualities to it. But even without that, I think a very, very well-made, very memorable movie. That's a nice recommendation. I've never heard of that. Demon on Tubi. What about yourself? You have a different listener and a different recommendation. Yeah, but I'll give a quick shout out to Crystal because she liked Eyes Without a face i was going to recommend that you check out carnival of souls which is available for free everywhere it's one of the great movies that has no owner so you can watch it on on youtube it's public domain but it's available everywhere that's another one that as you're watching going this is not that scary this is not that scary then you can't stop thinking about it for a few days so um but anyhow um the email that i got was from a fellow by the name of jonathan metz let's go metz jonathan metz wrote to me uh wrote to me specifically this one's for jordan he wrote um are there i'm just gonna sit here and fold my arms um because jonathan let's go metz knows that i'm a big fan of the band fish and this is a big time for fish because they just finished their uh their big run at the sphere which is a very visual thing because they project films at the sphere and it's all very visual and blah blah blah so jonathan metz your listener matt he's we have to service our audience he's asking are there any good movies about jam bands other than bittersweet motel which is a documentary about fish made in 19 made in 2000 about the 98 tour directed by um uh todd phillips todd phillips that's right todd phillips made a fish movie before he became famous or better yet has any movie figured out how to use this kind of music as a score this is this is what intrigued me he writes and i agree with him i've long fantasized about hearing atmospheric and euphoric instrumental fish jams behind a great movie although i can imagine the challenge of synchronizing this type of music to a narrative film um and then he asked me he's saying i mean i was at the coventry show which is a whole thing uh i'm not going to get into that with the listeners but to jonathan i say um my condolences that you were at coventry okay so um there this is the thing there really hasn't been a movie that has deployed one of the great jam artists, be it Fish or any of the others.

1:11:47There really isn't any. You'd think there would be. There aren't even that many Grateful Dead songs in movies. I can only off the top of my head think of one. It was the David O. Russell film Flirting with Disaster. He uses trucking to a great funny moment. But there are some ones that come close. Certainly in classic film, there are a great many movies that use great jazz legends to score their film. Most famously, I would say Miles Davis doing Elevator to the Gallows, which is a film by Louis Malle from the mid-60s. Great, great, great movie with a great score by Miles Davis. But for the jam world, it hasn't really happened yet.

1:12:30But the ones that come closest, I'm thinking, of course, it's not really jam, but it's Neil Young's score to Dead Man, the Jim Jarmusch film. And according to legend, Jim Jarmusch showed Neil Young the movie and Neil Young watched it and then they said, okay, do it again. And then he just took out his guitar and he jammed to the whole film. And that's the score. It's all this electric guitar feedback. And that's the legend. I didn't want to fact check it because I wouldn't believe that to be true. He just went along and did it and they just pressed record and Jim Jarmer said, that's my score. Goodbye, Neil Young.

1:13:05And that's it, which is awesome. Then there is a movie called, and Dead Man is a great anti-Western with Johnny Depp. It's a wonderful movie. Yeah, really good one. Unlike some of the music you're talking about. It's a wonderful motion picture. So then the second one that came to mind was the Kelly Reichert film Old Joy. Have you seen Old Joy? This is her second feature. I have seen it. I love Kelly Reichert. and I have seen it. It's been a while. It's a wonderful movie. How does the jam music component enter into that film? Remind me. The band Yola Tango did a similar type of score that Neil Young did to Dead Man.

1:13:47And Yola Tango is jam adjacent. They're not a jam band, but they're jam adjacent. They're jam adjacent? Yeah. By the way - J-jacent? Yeah. Dead Man is streaming on HBO Max and Criterion Channel. Great movie. I'm sure Old Joy is on Criterion also. So Old Joy is a great movie. It's about two guys that go in the woods to go find an old bathtub, and then they come out of the woods and go home. And it's all it's about. It's so good. It's about two guys who walk to a bathtub. I'm not sure. I mean, I can't say that that's the best sales pitch I've heard for a movie. then again, I listen to you try to sell society of the snow by describing the most nightmarish things possible.

1:14:36So maybe, maybe two guys walk to find a bathtub might be a better alternative, but I think it's about vibes, man. It's a movie about vibes and the vibes are good. It's like climbing a mountain. Look around, you see trees and rocks and bushes pressing around you. And then you get above the tree line, you see everything you just went through and it all like comes together you know you see that it has a shape after all it's a great little um window into like whenever all joy came out 2003 or whatever because they're in the car listening to air america radio which is a god which was a radio network that existed for 15 minutes uh during the bush george w bush administration it was supposed to be the um uh the the left-wing alternative to like rush limbo and it failed miserably although it did actually get al franken back you know al franken graduated from comedian to political guy and then he was in the senate and then he was me too out of the senate uh all joy is in fact on criterion as i suspected it would be it's also an hbo max and so is elevator to the gallows by the way but that's not the ones i wanted to pick well there weren't no this is the one this is my deep cut oh boy because there really hasn't been a jam artist this recommendation is as long as a fish song i know i know i'm sorry so here's the deal there is a great avant-garde filmmaker by the name of bill morrison and bill morrison um probably most famous film is dawson city frozen time right which is a really good documentary yes about it's a film about film and it uses old films to tell the story about how films were distributed back in the day.

1:16:21Really fascinating. And he also did a short film called Incident, which was nominated for an Oscar about using security cam footage and police body footage to tell the story of a shooting that happened in Chicago. It's a very interesting and very sad film. But Bill Morrison came from the world of fine arts. You know, he was, his original work was not shown in theaters. It was shown in, at the, the mass mocha and the, the, you know, the, the, the galleries and, and, and art museums. But one of his first, one of his so two of his films has an original score by the guitarist bill frizell and bill frizell is a jam adjacent jazz guitarist and so two of his films have what are basically a jam band score one of which you cannot stream legally but you can if you try hard enough it's called the mesmerist and the mesmerist is is bill morrison doing what he does best yeah he he made his bones bill morrison with a film called decasia where he found decaying old nitrate films that looked like they were a mess and edited them together to make a kaleidoscope of a 90 minute jam of weird footage of decaying film that looks psychedelic and awesome and i fell in love with that when i saw that The Mesmerist takes an old film called The Bells with Lionel Barrymore and Boris Karloff.

1:18:04But the film itself was falling apart. So it had a texture and a quality where it looked like there were these special effects. And so he re-edited it to change the narrative of this film. And it's a short, it's like 15 minutes, and it's set to a jammed out, far out Bill Frizzell score. That's The Mesmerist. It's so cool. Another project he did, which is a little bit more sincere, well, not sincere, but a little bit more palatable, is called The Great Flood. This is a feature which is streaming on the History Channel's streaming service. The History Channel has a streaming service? I discovered this this afternoon when I was doing research.

1:18:47The Great Flood is about the actual flood, the Louisiana flood of the year 1921 or whenever it was. It was a terrible, terrible flood. Randy Newman wrote a song about it and um it's all this footage of the flood that happened and then the migration of people after the flood it's a great history story but it's done in Bill Frizzell fashion where it sorry Bill Morrison fashion where he takes all this footage and makes it into like a kaleidoscope sensorial uh you know just sort of event man where you sort of groove on the images and once again he deployed the great jazz guitarist bill frizell to do a jammy score

1:19:43if you watch the great flood it is not a pbs documentary where you're going to learn about the great flood you're going to experience the great flood oh man through ways that you would never have done before and part of the element is this great jam score from from bill frisell so that to my friend mr metz is my recommendation check out the bill morrison films check out all of bill morrison films he's made a zillion of them most of them shorts but specifically the two he's done with bill frisell and that's on i'm looking this up because i i literally did not know this existed the history vault that's the name of the streaming service yeah i sign up for a free plan for six weeks seven day free trial and you can watch uh you know great flood the great yeah i'm sure you can watch this whole movie in seven days

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1:23:34If you want to go to the loo, do it over there. Meh, meh, meh. Ow, there's a rock on my head. All right. So anyway, normally it's Matt. We've had some great games. We had Letterboxd games. We had IMDb games. We had other wacky games. and I won three of them and Sam won one of them. And now Sam holds the conch. We don't know what game it's going to be. Not a clue. But I've already lost once to Sam. I cannot lose to Matt also. So I hope not. Sam, what is this week's game? I'm the piggy now. I'm the piggy now. So, yeah. So just for the record, Jordan, there were two misstatements, Lord of the Rings, instead of Lord of the Flies.

1:24:22So you're at negative two points already. I said two? There were two. Oh, my God. Whoopsie. Did I have it? I didn't say it wrong. No, you were totally clear. I swear, when I was writing this, just writing that little intro, I got it wrong four times. I had to correct it every time I wrote it in the script. Wow, that's so funny. It was Lord of the Rings every single time. Anyway, so to your point, Jordan, this is our fifth episode through four episode. Matt came up with three games. Letter boxed-ing, questions curated from an actor's letterboxed page. We had Keychain, an IMDB keyword game we had last week.

1:24:56Full service. You named a movie a famous movie. All we had to do was guess the service. It was currently on. It was my favorite game. I loved the game. Not only because I won. I loved it. This week we will be playing a game called The Streaming Limited. Oh, boy. Cue the bustling train station sound effects. The Streaming Limited. All aboard! All aboard! This is, of course, tying in with your brilliant, incisive review of the four-episode limited series, The Lord of the Flies. All answers in this game are also limited series. Oh, no. That were also literary adaptations. Oh, no. Oh, no. Some more literary than others, I'll admit.

1:25:43They're all books. Do comics count as literary? Oh, boy. I'm in trouble. I think you guys will know most of these. Mm-mm. All right. So this is how I'm—I don't know if this is a good idea. You're vastly overestimating my knowledge of books without pictures in them. No, this is not about knowing the books. Okay. All you have to do is know the streaming series. There are eight titles, but I'm going to give chances for two points per entry. This is going to confuse the math. I shouldn't have done this. So you'll be able to get a point for naming the limited series. And also, if you can name the streaming service it's on.

1:26:21So I do want to provide the service, again, that you provided. We are the streaming video unit. So we're all about the streaming and the streaming. So this is a little bit of letterboxing, a little bit of full service. All right. So I am going to give you, you can buzz in however, you know, whenever you want. But I am going to give you, in some, not always the same order, the year of release, a tagline if possible. I love a tagline. The starry actors and or directors who were involved in this project. Oh, boy. I'm in the author of the original book. And then I'll just start reading the plot description if we're not there.

1:26:57And then I'll just say the name of the title. And if I don't get to the end of the name of the streaming series before you say it, go ahead. You get a book. Okay. All right. So two points. So I didn't really order these in easiest to most difficult, but these are all well-known and recent. I think the oldest one is like 2018. So these are not old. These are all new. Many of them are acclaimed Emmy winners even. OK, so we're going to start this off two points per round. You just buzz in whenever you can. I'm going to keep track of what I'm reading and also your faces and see who's buzzing. I have just I have only one question.

1:27:33Yeah. If let's say Jordan answers correctly the name of a show, but he gets the streaming service incorrect. Can I, or vice versa, can either of us guess? Why not? Okay. Then I might have a shot. I have no shot at the names of the services, at the shows. I have the right to change my mind during this game. All right. But we'll see. Okay. Number one, release year 2024. That was very recently. Tagline, an epic saga of war, passion, and power. The original writer, James Clavel. Eh! Oh! Shogun! Jordan! Yeah, Shogun! I thought that might do it. We all, this, the copy of this book was in all of our homes we grew up in the 80s.

1:28:24That's right. Shogun. That's right. And also, of course, we watched the Richard Chamberlain adaptation. I did watch the Richard Chamberlain. I watched it. Miniseries. Yeah, it scarred me. The boiling in oil. Okay, so Jordan, Jordan, do you want to guess the service is on? Well, yes. Well, it's funnily enough, I believe this is a Hulu. You are correct. Two points. A rare Hulu win. It's over. Is there a mercy rule that we can invoke here? Are you going to wrest the control of the hosting duties from my cold dead hands? Yes. This is the last time I'm participating. I think you're going to know this.

1:28:58You're going to know some of them. I did know that one. You both knew Shogun. I did know it. You both knew Shogun. A split second after Jordan, I did know it was. You're going to know all these. All right. Okay. Number two. Also 2024. So recently. What a great year. The Crew. I'm going to go with The Crew. I don't think that we're going to save the tagline because it literally gives away the title. The Crew. Steven Zalian, director and adapter. Oh. Wow. The cast. I'm going to start with maybe the less, not the star, Dakota Fanning is in this. She's in a lot of stuff. But it stars Mr. Andrew Scott.

1:29:33Yeah, that guy. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Yes, Matt. Ripley. Ripley. Oh, there was a Ripley. Yeah, there was black and white. I didn't see it. Yes. You got it. Yes. Okay, do you want to guess the service it is currently streaming on and originally was streaming on? It was, it's streaming, I think, on the big red machine known as Netflix. You got it. Two points from Matt. We get a tag game. All right. I didn't see it. The mercy rule is uninvoked. I am strict originalist. originalist, I prefer the Alain Dillon film, Purple Noon. I thought you were going to say you only watch things in color.

1:30:10You hate all black and white photography. We're on to number three. We've got a tie game through two rounds. Year 2020. We're going all the way back to 2020. Long time ago. Not a good year. The tagline, drawn together, driven apart. Co-directors here, Lenny Abrahamson. I love that guy. Director of Room and Frank, along with Hedy MacDonald. Good director. The original writer, the writer of the book, Sally Rooney. Oh, yeah. She's famous. I'm going to read the plot description. Oh, yeah. Mary Ann and Connell weave in and out of each other's lives in this exploration of sex, power, and the desire to be loved and be loved in Ireland.

1:30:56Yeah. We're Philistines. We don't know it. I don't watch this crap. This is - This is where we discovered - Okay, this is going to give it away if you know this. Yeah, I don't know. It's like all those shows that are on HBO Max that I never watch. Okay, but this stars, I think this is where many people discovered Mr. Paul Meskel. Yeah. And Daisy Edgar-Jones. These are the shows that our, Matt and I have a friend, like our friend Esther Zuckerman watches 17 of these shows a day. And I never watch these shows, you know? Okay, this is going to be a shutout. We're going to have to move on. I think we might yield.

1:31:30I will, you'll see the name of it. If you say it, we're going to know it or pretend we know it. Yeah, I'll have heard of it. I will be honest. If this was me, I would not have come up with normal people. Never heard of it. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. So that's a shutout. I have heard of normal people, but I - Yeah, sure. We've heard of it. And yes, that was like Paul Meskel's big break. His big coming out. Yes, but I did not watch. And I think - I have not seen Minute One. Daisy Edgar-Jones as well. No, I haven't either.

1:31:55I didn't know it was based on a famous book. She sells a million books. She's a best-selling. I've never read any of her books. We're Philistines. Philistines, yeah. Okay, so this next one. So we're still tied. Tutu. This is the one that has fascinated me. I don't think either of you have seen it. You may not even have heard of it. Oh, boy. But the title will be familiar if I give you enough information, I believe. Yeah. Let's just start. Okay. 2018. 2018. The tagline, seduction, manipulation, betrayal, never trust a spy. Oh. the crew the actors involved in this how about michael shannon how about alexander skarsgård how about florence pew oh i know this yes jordan this is tinker taylor soldier no the little drummer boy the little drummer girl little drummer girl she's a girl yeah little drummer girl and it's written by jean le carré the book is vastly superior to the movie i've read this book who directed this who directed this yes park jen huk it's haven't seen it it's fascinating it's it's it's an okay adaptation there was a movie version in the 80s right yes which is which is not as good as the show and the show what year did the show come out 2018 okay this one i was gonna say this one it seems unfamiliar to me yeah no it was i missed this one completely well the reason you missed it is the answer to part two of this question which is what service what service is it on jordan i oh boy um yes i know the answer you ready it's not i think it's amc plus you're right wow wow second wow i did not expect of the episode for jordan well i i covered this i had to i interviewed um jean le carré's kid i guess jean le carré jr um i interviewed him and i interviewed I did not interview Park Chan-wook.

1:33:50I think I just interviewed Jean-Luc Harry Jr.'s kid or whatever. And I lied to him and said it was a good adaptation. It's not, it's, it is an okay adaptation. There are good, I mean, Florence Pugh is very good, but she didn't nail it. And Shannon's always great, but the book is really, really, really good. It's one of the, it's so good. So I recommend reading that if you can, yeah. So this is a six episode episode, limited series, 342 minutes. You cannot find it on AMC Plus anymore, apparently. Is it just gone down the... You can find it on Acorn TV. Oh, sure. Wow. Which you can find via Prime Video.

1:34:31Sure, sure. Wow. As long as it's not on the shelf in the vault with the Batgirl movie and all of these things that just never get to come out. Isn't that where Westworld is? Westworld does not exist, right? Does it not exist or did they start farming it out and making it something they license to places like i don't know if it's on there right now but they license it to places like like a tubi or um you may be correct that it's not on hbo max they did they did uh they have done that where they have taken things down yeah you can you can watch it on um like you just said you could it's on it's become a uh a uh revenue stream fast a fast channel uh specialty where they put it where places where people can watch it but they're licensing it out and they get ad revenue or licensing revenue or what have you how many how many how many shows do we have left no no i'm wrong that's westworld the 73 film the michael creighton film oh the actual series hold on this this hold on that was exciting for a second i nearly fibbed west world uh the series because now i'm kind of curious is uh yes uh it's on apple and prime and uh fandango at home formerly known as voodoo formerly known as bazooka so you can rent it that way so right all right so we're through we're halfway through we've we've done half the title so there's still there's still time four to two four to two jordan right has the lead but two points per round here we're on to number five.

1:36:04The year 2020. This is a big one, guys. I think you'll be able to jump on this. Original writer, Walter Tevis. Oh, he's famous. Tagline, Beth Harmon makes her move. The writer, adapter, the adapter, director, Scott Frank. Yeah, I know this. God. I'm deciding whether to give you the cast, the star, which will give it away, or maybe I will read the plot description. In a 1950s orphanage. A young girl reveals an astonishing talent for this board game, not Monopoly. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the answer. This is the Queen's Gambit. The Queen's Gambit. Oh, it's so funny. I was thinking of it, and then I was like, that's not a board game.

1:36:50What a schmuck I am. No, that's my... Because I was going to say, if I had said Anya Taylor-Durier, you would have jumped right in, Matt? Yes, yes. I did. Who was the creator? Scott Frank. Scott Frank did it. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Out of sight, right? And Get Shorty. Yes, absolutely. So what about what service is it on? I believe that's on the Big Red One. That's on Netflix, right? You're right. Two. Oof. Six, two. I'm sorry, man. Six, two. Just like that. Yeah. We're moving on. This is tough. I didn't realize or maybe had memory hold that this existed. The year 2019. Not that long ago. The tagline, there's only no way out.

1:37:30There's only no way out. Mm-hmm. That doesn't make any sense. Christopher Abbott, Kyle Chandler, the directors, three directors credited, Ellen Curras, Grant Heslov, and of course, Grant Heslov's more famous partner, George Clooney. George Clooney. The original book came out in 1961. It is one of the greatest books of the 20th century. It is written by Joseph Heller. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Matt, Matt, yes? Is it Catch-22? It is. Catch-22. I remember this. All right. What service is Catch-22 on? This is a problem because I actually have absolutely no idea. I know. I watched the pilot. All right. I am going to guess it feels like a Hulu to me.

1:38:21You're right. Hulu. Thank you, Hulu. Six-four, you're back in it. Okay. But there's only one left, right? No, two left. We got eight. I watched the pilot and I said, hey, this isn't bad. I'll get back. I love the book and I, I like the Mike Nichols version too. I think it's pretty good. I mean, it very famously was not a big hit and mash came out and mash was like the concrete, but I, I'm not the world's biggest match. I love mash the show, the Robert Altman's mash. It's like, if I were to list my favorite Altman movies, mash is at the, in the lower third. But I watched the pilot and I like Christopher Abbott a lot.

1:38:57And I said, I'm going to get back to this. And I forgot about it until today. It was the first time I remembered that this existed. Because it wasn't a hit. Nobody was talking about it. And it just vaporized. And I never got around to the second episode. 2019. It's been seven years. You could probably - That's insane. Episode two is still waiting for you. Six episodes. Might want to go back and start with episode one again, I think. Yeah, just a reminder. All right, number seven. It's 6 '4", Jordan. I'm sweating. Number seven, the year 2021.

1:39:29Tagline, the end is the beginning. Great tagline. Mackenzie Davis and Himesh Patel are in the cast. Actually, what is this? You may wonder why. Why didn't this? I think it's become recognized as one of the great limited series maybe of the 2020s. Wow. Not by us, clearly. But you can understand why in 2021, a limited series about the survivors of a devastating flu attempt to rebuild and reimagine the world anew. They are a troupe of Shakespearean actors, the original writer of the book. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Emily St. John Mandel. Yes, Jordan. I have not read the book. I have not seen the show, but it's called Station Eleven.

1:40:13Station Eleven. I could not think of the title. I've been meaning to read this. I hear it's very good. I think I even have a copy of it. I think my mom gave it to me. I actually haven't seen. I've been wanting to catch up with the series. I love Mackenzie Davis. The Shakespearean nature of the plot is so intriguing. So, yeah. Okay. So, Jordan, what service? That's a big property. That's on HBO Max. You are correct. Oh, no. I think it's game over, but we might as well just - It is game over. Are we at 8-4? 8-4. It's fully Bill Paxton land over here. All right, we'll just finish it off, though. The year 2021.

1:40:56The cast, Tussauds Mabido. Mabido. Aaron Pierre, Joel Edgerton. The original writer, a Pulitzer Prize winner, a 2016 Pulitzer Prize winner for Mr. Colson Whitehead. Oh, yes. Wait. Yes, Jordan? The Underground Railroad. The Underground Railroad. Barry Jenkins, director. and adapter. What service is it on? You know, it's funny. I haven't watched it, but it's Barry Jenkins and it's either HBO Max or Netflix. Either HBO Max or Netflix. It's either HBO. It's on Netflix. It is not Matt for the win. Oh. What? You're not going to give me the win? It's on Prime Video. Yes, it is. Oh. Congratulations, Matt.

1:41:48Oh, I won. I won. Yeah, good. Good for you. Without ever watching any of these shows or reading any of these books. The last question is always worth 10 points. Wow. That is the streaming limited. There's so many shows. There's so many shows I haven't seen and so many books I haven't read. I feel like such an uncultured idiot. But tell me about the time when Mary Jane and Doc Ock were trapped. I mean, you know. Which time? There's been multiple times. The truth of the matter is, as a general rule, I tend to cover feature. Years ago, it was siloed. If you were in this business, you covered film or you covered TV.

1:42:29You didn't cross the streams. And I'm a little bit old school that I tend to mostly cover films, but I do cover TV. I mean, today we did Lord of the Flies. And, you know, I certainly haven't aware of it. But it's so funny. Of all the ones you mentioned, I hadn't seen most of them. And many of them I want to. I wanted to see Station Eleven. I wanted to see Underground Railroad. I haven't gotten around to it. It was funny. And as Sam was talking, like, describing the game, which, again, we have no idea what we're going to be doing here. And as he's describing it, I'm going, okay, what limit? What fancy limit?

1:42:58And all the ones I thought of, you didn't even use. I was like, okay, well, it could be Foundation. It could be Brave New World. It could be this. It could be that. And you didn't pick any of them. You found eight other examples. There are so, so many. And I think by limiting it to these adaptations. 11, 22, 1963. three yeah there's so many there's so many so many and so many that involve like really big names you know right you know we got i gotta i gotta watch more tv i think that's what we learned here did the ripley i'm not gonna read more books let's be did ripley catch on with people i feel like that didn't really like it did it did yeah i mean i just i just remember enough people talked about like oh you should see ripley it's really i had beautiful photography it got you know the photography got some attention and andrew scott got some attention but but again it's do any of these things get it it's like there's so many of them even if even if they get good reviews even if people do watch them for a week or two it's it just seems like they just they fall into the memory well i do think that there was there was a time and i do feel like most of the services have figured this out when they just dump them all at once and maybe they still are with a limited series.

1:44:07Some of them still do. Only Netflix. Some of them still. Netflix still doing it? They dump them all at once. But I believe most of the other networks, Apple certainly does a week to week and HBO Max does week to week. Disney Plus with their Marvel and Star Wars stuff generally is week to week. Yeah. Yeah. But still, people are confused about like, well, what day of the week are they even dropping? I mean, it's just there isn't an established Sunday night on HBO or anything like that. And even if they do come out on, you know, every week on the same day, people are going to watch it in their own time.

1:44:42Or they're going to, like Jordan, they're going to watch the first episode and then wait seven years and watch the next one and then wait four more years. So the conversation, it's very hard to sort of have the conversation hit critical mass. Yeah, exactly. So when it does, yeah. But this was good to, now we know all these shows we could watch Well, we could. And we know where to find them. That's right. I mean, there's no stopping SVU from going back and watching Ripley and just devoting an entire episode to it. Have you guys seen The Expanse? You're talking about the show or just the idea? Yeah, the show.

1:45:18Just like look down our windows. The yawning void in front of our eyes. Have you seen The Expanse? Because The Expanse is based on novels as well. And The Expanse is really good. I've seen that one. That one I love. Okay. So I don't know. just a shout out to the expanse. May I ask you something? You miss earth. These endless blue. You know what? It sucks to be bored, but when I get on my phone and play real casino games on spin quest.com, the time flies by that two hour wait at the DMV seems like 10 minutes. Play your favorite slots, live blackjack, live craps with a live dealer, New players,$30 coin packs are on sale for$10.

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1:48:26These are not necessarily in the strictest definition streaming, but you can watch them at home for a nominal fee. We have the new version of Faces of Death, which I think makes a plot point of the old Faces of Death. I have not seen it yet. No, I haven't seen it yet either. nor have I seen the original Faces of Death because I was terrified just hearing about it as a VHS. Yes, the mere concept, how innocent we were when the idea of these kind of horrible videos of snuff films, the only way to see them were on Faces of Death, not literally every device thrust in our faces all day. Again, that deserted island is really sounding better and better the more I think about it.

1:49:09Okay, also available to rent or buy this week, Mark by Sofia. This is Sofia Coppola's documentary about fashion designer Mark Jacobs. Another one I have not seen yet, but this one I'm going to absolutely be watching in the very near future. I saw the trailer before something I saw in a theater this spring, and I thought, oh, this looks fun. I want to see this. Yeah, don't I'm so surprised. I may not watch television or read books, but I can see a documentary about a fashion designer. I am not the world's biggest Sofia a Coppola fan. No? No. Boy, you strike me as you would be. I like I like The Virgin Suicides.

1:49:50Yes, great movie. Lost in Translation. It's good. The Beguiled. Not particularly good. She did that one The Bling Ring. I love The Bling Ring. Underrated movie. Underrated movie, in my opinion. It's okay. Marie Antoinette. Nah. I didn't really like it. That's my real... Nah. It's okay. Somewhere? I didn't see that one. I'm running out. Is there any that I forgot? Yeah, she did one. It's like they're... For the French Twist, I think it's called, or something like that. The French Twist? She did a movie called The French Something. Sam. Sam's checking it out right now. The French Twist? What is he talking about?

1:50:33It was an Apple film. It was an early Apple film. French Twist? You know who made a great movie? was her brother, Roman Coppola. What? CQ. Did you ever see CQ? I have seen CQ. CQ is better than all the Sofia movies. Oh my gosh. I like Lost in Translation. Don't get me wrong. It's fine. But I don't quite get the - I don't see the French twist on this list of motion pictures. She did a movie. What was her Apple film? Oh, you know what was good? You know what's one of her better movies? Are you talking about On the Rocks? The Bill Murray one? Yes, On the Rocks. Yeah. That's in my brain somehow became French twist.

1:51:08French twist. Sure, of course. You know what's very good? Same thing. I really, really, really liked Priscilla. Priscilla was good, too. Yeah. Because she's a good director who makes good movies. I think Priscilla is tied for first place. I mean, as much as the classics, in my opinion. But also, my opinion is clearly insane. Yes. Let's continue. Yes. Well, Mark by Sophia, which is technically, I guess, her follow-up to Priscilla. It's her most recent film now. It's going to be available to rent or buy this week. Who is Marc Jacobs? Who is this guy? The fashion designer. What does he have to tell me?

1:51:42Why do I want to learn about him? What did he ever do? He makes clothes? You're basically putting me in a position where I have to besmirch your styling choices here to your face, Jordan. Don't put me in that position. He's a fashion designer. I know Isaac Mizrahi. They made a good movie about him. Did you see Unzipped? I did not. You never saw Unzipped? No. You should go see Unzipped, which is hilarious. Isaac Mizrahi is wonderful. He's so funny. And he was at the film critics' dinner. He was. He was great. Just thinking about his game, one of the longest but funniest speeches we've ever sat through at that critics' dinner.

1:52:19Okay. And finally here. If I did not buy all my clothes at Walmart, I would buy Isaac Mizrahi's clothes. Continue. Okay. And finally here, a film entitled You, Me, and Tuscany, which I will confess I don't know much about. But what I assume is the tagline was helpfully provided here by Sam. It says, quote, she came for the pasta and got lost in the sauce. Yeah. That's a hell of a tagline. Hell of a tagline. And then finally here, the second highest grossing movie of the year so far, Project Hail Mary. Project Hail Mary, one of the big, really one of the kind of pleasant surprises of the year. I mean, whatever you think of it critically, commercially, it was a huge hit.

1:53:02It made over$300 million domestically. 650 globally. You know, it is based on a novel, but still a movie that is not, you know, it's not a sequel. It is not, it is not a, I guess in some ways, I suppose it is a Star War. It's not one of those Star Wars. No, no. But Ryan Gosling is kind of at war with a star in a sense. He's at war with the sun. Yeah. So maybe I shouldn't be that impressed. But in any event, it was a good movie and it was a very high grossing film and it is available now. If you're one of the few that didn't see it in theaters, you'll be able to rent it or buy it on Tuesday, May 12th, which is the day this episode drops.

1:53:49So by the time you're listening to this, you can watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Good movie. I like Project Hail Mary. That's the number two grosser. What's the number one? Let me try to guess. Okay. I know the answer. So, but you, you can guess if you want. It's streaming now on Bazooka. That's right. That's right. The Super Mario Galaxy movie, which as I, I mean, I don't know what your friend Mario, who you sold a ticket to, you told us the story, but I hope he's still around and I hope he got to see this one too. The plumber named Mario who you sold a ticket to. I'm a plumber named Mario. For the 1993 Super Mario Brothers.

1:54:31Do you think he still goes? I don't think he's with us anymore. One of these days they're going to get one of these right. Unzipped is not streaming anywhere. Oh, man. Illegally download that one. Because it's a Miramax. That was one of the early Miramax hits. So that's why it's lost in the streaming ethos. But you should illegally watch Unzipped. What else is coming to streaming this week, Jordan? Oh, my God. Theatrical release is coming to streaming. Goat. Sony Animation's Goat comes to Netflix. I don't know anything about this. I will never see it. It's basketball. It's a basketball-themed, talking animal animated film.

1:55:12And it got, I would say, surprisingly good reviews, actually. I like Air Bud. I am sure I will be. It's sort of a cousin of Air Bud. But it's an animated. It is animated. Yeah, there's no real, no real animals were harmed in the making of this movie. Have you seen The Sheep Detectives yet? I haven't, but I've heard that's also quite good. I'm going on Tuesday. I can't wait. I haven't seen it yet. You'll report back. Yeah, I'm so excited. And I will probably be watching Goat very soon and I can report back on that as well. All right. Well, listen, that's kind of, oh, and then another biggie that's coming this week to the Big Red One, Netflix, Marty, colon, Life is Short, documentary about the life and career of Martin Short.

1:55:51And I'm not going to steal this joke. I forgot who said it, but it was not me. You know, there recently was a John Candy documentary. And somebody pointed out that like a decade ago, Martin Scorsese said he was making a documentary about SCTV and it's never happening. So instead, we're just going to get documentaries from other directors about all the cast members of SCTV. So I haven't seen the Marty Short documentary yet, but it's directed by Lawrence Kasdan. Yeah, that was a surprise for me. Yeah. And Lawrence Kasdan has his kind of doesn't work too. There was a time when there was nobody bigger than him.

1:56:29He was huge. Sure. And the question is, has Martin Short ever been in a Lawrence Kasdan film? And the answer is yes. He was in 1999's Mumford. Not to be confused with Mumford and Sons. Why would I confuse those things? I don't know. Okay. But Kasdan, he did a film with, did you ever see Darling Companion? I think that may have been his last feature. Yeah. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think if I did see it. I'm trying to think, like, the thing that's coming to mind is that he did, he had like a Star Wars comeback. Speaking of Star Wars, he wrote Solo, a Star Wars story, and famously, like, the scuttle.

1:57:12Oh, he was involved in Solo. The scuttlebutt was that, you know, like he wasn't getting along with Lord and Miller, also of Project Hail Mary. All roads lead back to that film, I suppose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was part of the creative tension that eventually led to them leaving. And Ron Howard came in and finished it. And I think that was kind of the last movie he worked on, really. Yeah. Before this. Well, Kasdan, of course, he co-wrote Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. And Raiders was the biggie. and then co-wrote. And then he directed Body Heat and The Big Chill in the early 80s.

1:57:49Those were his monster movies. And Big Chill was pretty great. The Big Chill is awesome because it has no plot. It's about a bunch of people hanging out. And then he did a film called French Kiss, not to be confused with the Sofia Coppola film's French Twist, which does not exist. French Kiss, if I'm not mistaken, that was Billy Crystal, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah. No. No. Incorrect. You have the wrong... It's Kevin Kline. Kevin Kline with Meg Ryan. You're crossing the streams. That was the Darling Companion. So Darling Companion is Kevin Kline and... If it wasn't Diane Keaton, it was somebody like Diane Keaton.

1:58:29It is... What is it? It is Diane Keaton and Kevin Kline. It's Kevin Kline and Diane Keaton and they're rich people and they live up in the Hollywood Hills or whatever and their dog... It's about a dog, right? The dog escapes, and so they look for the dog. And that's the plot. I mean, it's just, you know, the big chill had no plot and it worked. And Darling Companion has no plot and it certainly does not work. So that's all I can say about that. Well, anyhow, but now he's making a Martin Short documentary. And listen, if it's got footage of Martin Short being Ed Grimley and all the classics from back in the day, it's going to be worth seeing.

1:59:03This is kind of the secret sauce of all of these documentaries is that even I mean, when these people are so talented and funny, it's like you're halfway home and it doesn't matter what you do and who you interview and who you talk. It's like, you know, there was a documentary recently about Lorne Michaels that I'm sure will be on streaming soon. That was called Lorne. And Lorne Michaels openly expresses contempt for the project on camera. but because they interviewed 100 million people who worked on SNL for over 50 years. Yeah. The interviews are incredible and the archival footage is fantastic and you're laughing and it's like, oh, Lorne Michaels didn't want the movie to exist and he didn't really say anything particularly revelatory, but 100 people were funny for 90 minutes.

1:59:46So there you go. That's, you know, now you got a movie. There's a show. That's a show. Speaking of not particularly revelatory, thank you to the listeners who've tuned in once again to film spotting svu and uh but also a hundred minutes and pretty funny so not so bad i think um next week is going to be a different week do you want to do you want to no i mean a different type of show almost by definition if it's not a different week we have a real catch 22 we have a weird hands we have a weird show on deck and you know let's not even pitch it just the listeners should know that next week's show is different.

2:00:25It's going to be a special, wacky episode. We don't have to, yeah, we'll leave them with that tantalizing tease. Yeah. What could it possibly be? But in the meantime, if people want to contact us, feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. I want to thank you all for listening. My name is Jordan Hoffman. It's been great talking with you and experiencing this program with you. Matt Singer, did you have a good time this week? what are you talking about what's happening right now i'm wrapping it up i'm wrapping the show okay well let's let's actually wrap things up and just say you can find me on instagram and letterboxd at super pulse yeah and i'm i'm on blue sky at matt singer jordan's on blue sky at jay hoffman six jordan's also on letterboxd we should probably add his uh information yeah i'm on letterboxd at jay hoffman six there you go okay and svu is produced by the great sam van holgren did a great job hosting the game this week.

2:01:22I think you can do it again if you want for now, but there may be a power struggle that comes up at some point. I can't promise anything. And I'm Matt Singer. And I'm Jordan Hoffman. And thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next week. Make sure you amp up the yawn that he let out right as he was saying his name.

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