In short
Finn vs. History (Part 1/4) sets up Idi Amin’s rise by first discussing Uganda’s colonial history under Britain, the artificial borders, and how Buganda’s elite alliance with the British created a north–south divide. The episode then profiles Amin’s early life and military career, including his alleged brutality during the Mau Mau uprising, and how post-independence power struggles (Milton Obote vs. King Freddy of Buganda) created conditions for Amin’s ascent.
Guests
Horatio Gould (co-host). Charlie (the other host, speaking throughout; no separate guest named).
Guest backgrounds
Horatio Gould is a history-podcast co-host; Charlie is the other co-host who drives much of the narration and research discussion.
Key claims
Uganda’s political culture is “vibes-based” and unusually funny, attributed to Amin’s charisma. Amin is portrayed as exceptionally athletic and violent, with disputed/constructed early biography. British colonial structures and rapid decolonization left a power vacuum and weak senior training, enabling military figures like Amin.
Notable examples
Amin joining the King’s African Rifles (1946); Mau Mau “choppy choppers” counterinsurgency; Amin’s alleged Karimodong atrocities (caged Turkana people); Amin’s promotions under Obote; the 1962 independence context; the 1966 Buganda crisis involving King Freddy (Mutesa II).
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Chapters
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1:16 to 7:46
Discussion on Idi Amin's charm and Uganda's unique political culture.
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Uganda's History and Geography
7:46 to 14:00
Insight into Uganda's colonial history and its geographical significance.
“You throw a rock and you'd hit an Idi Amin, seemingly.”
The Unique Climate of Uganda
14:00 to 15:00
Explore the geographical and agricultural significance of Uganda.
“as the other British colonies, but it is quite a unique climate for sub-Saharan Africa.”
Colonial Influence on Uganda's Borders
15:00 to 16:10
Understand how British colonialism shaped Uganda's borders and tribal dynamics.
“the mouth of a river or if a river goes this way, it's Congo.”
The Kingdom of Buganda and Its Role
16:10 to 17:10
Learn about the significance of Buganda in Ugandan history and Idi Amin's rise.
“So Idi Amin is born at some point in the mid-1920s.”
Idi Amin: The Heavyweight Dictator
17:10 to 19:10
Discover the physical stature and reputation of Idi Amin as a dictator.
“No, Idi Amin, he's probably the heaviest dictator of all time.”
Amin's Background and Early Life
19:10 to 21:40
Delve into Idi Amin's early life, family background, and formative experiences.
“she now weighs she left her at pub she lost 23 kilograms are you telling me she's lost weight or the child's diet?”
Idi Amin's Rise in the Military
21:40 to 24:10
Examine how Amin's military career set the stage for his future dictatorship.
“Yeah, he dropped her out his mother's pub.”
Colonialism and Its Impact on Uganda
24:10 to 28:00
Analyze the effects of British colonial policies on Ugandan society and politics.
“In a way that, as much as we like Gaddafi, I don't know if Gaddafi was a laugh.”
Amin's Brutal Beginnings
28:00 to 29:09
Explore Idi Amin's early experiences and violent reputation.
“drag it through the mud, they say that his taste for blood starts with how he was always rewarded for brutality in the King's African Rifles.”
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The Brutality of the Mau Mau Rebellion
29:10 to 30:28
Discuss the harsh realities of the Mau Mau uprising and British counter-insurgency.
“Yeah, Mau Mau, they were brutal rebels, but then the counter-insurgency was even more brutal.”
Stereotypes and Perceptions of Amin
30:29 to 31:39
Examine the stereotypes surrounding Idi Amin and their implications.
“Do you go deaf if they cut your ears off?”
Debating Anatomy and Beer Bottle Opening
31:40 to 32:35
Engage in a humorous debate on anatomy while discussing beer bottle opening.
“versus like the humiliation of being seen to the owl and then still not have a beer to drink.”
The Dark Side of Botox
32:36 to 35:48
Learn about Botox and its use in preventing chronic migraines.
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Uganda's Independence and Political Landscape
35:55 to 37:21
Understand Uganda's journey to independence and Amin's rise.
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The Role of Milton Obote
37:22 to 42:00
Discuss Milton Obote’s leadership and vision for Uganda.
“When did the first shopping trolley go in a canal?”
Episode Discussion
42:00 to 56:00
“give all the jobs to black Africans that to be fair at the bottom of society underneath the Indians and the Brits.”
Casual Conversation about Tunnels and Biking
56:00 to 57:22
The hosts share a humorous conversation about biking through tunnels and personal experiences in urban settings.
“You might as well just be sucking on an exhaust for half an hour.”
Background on Idi Amin's Rise to Power
57:22 to 59:38
The discussion shifts to Idi Amin's early political maneuvers and military strength during Uganda's tumultuous times.
“which is maybe his big error because it just means the army are even stronger now.”
Assassination Attempt and Political Tensions
59:38 to 1:01:29
The hosts delve into the assassination attempt on Milton Obote and the growing tension between him and Amin.
“So the British, the American, and the Israeli security services, they start offering Amin assistance with the aim of maybe him taking power.”
Amin's Corruption and Military Control
1:01:29 to 1:02:57
The narrative explores Amin's corruption and how he consolidated military power while the country faced instability.
“He looks like he's had double hip replacement.”
Amin's Coup and Promises to the People
1:02:57 to 1:06:08
Amin's unexpected coup is discussed, including his promises to the Ugandan people as he takes control.
“While he's away, Abote demotes him and assumes command of the army himself.”
Amin's Coup and Promises to the People
1:06:57 to 1:08:31
Amin's unexpected coup is discussed, including his promises to the Ugandan people as he takes control.
“If you're looking to take us down, it's all there.”
Amin's Coup and Promises to the People
1:08:36 to 1:08:52
Amin's unexpected coup is discussed, including his promises to the Ugandan people as he takes control.
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Transcript
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2:08Welcome back to Finn vs. History. I'm with Horatio Gould. It's a big fortnight. We are finally in Uganda. Yeah. We're dealing with big daddy, Idi Amin. Daddy cool. I love this man. I do love this man. I do love this man. This man, my daddy. I didn't know anything about Idi Amin, really, but he's charming. Is he charming? He's completely charming. Long-time listeners of this podcast will know that we have great affection for Gaddafi. Sure. Probably the goat in terms of dictators we've dealt with. At the moment, for sure. At the moment. I think this is the first time when I've thought I think I could leave Gaddafi for Big Daddy.
2:49Well, they hung out together. I know. It comes into the story. It is the dream blunt rotation. It really is. Gaddafi and Idi. Good cop, bad cop. Gaddafi, I mean. It was bad cop, bad cop. Bad cop, bad cop. Yeah. Yes. We're also in Uganda. which uh i mean you know my instagram algorithm is uh as you know it's colorized photos of the third reich because i'm straight okay it's ai generated uh women in bikinis that i fall for and comment where are you today and then it is uh africa core and that's not rommel's uh tank wait is this is this not uh rhodesia nostalgia is it no no no no no it's not think about the It's not apartheid core.
3:33It's Africa core, which is all the videos of African politicians saying something wild. And it turns out they are all Ugandan. Really? And I think we can say safely that Uganda has the funniest political culture of anywhere in the world. Probably. And I think it's... The most colourful. I was trying to work out why it's so funny. And I think it's because no one has committed more with less media training than a Ugandan politician. Maybe the most vibes based. purely. In the world? All of them are Ugandan. All of them. Cryptocurrency, money moving in the air. You seen that one? No. Oh, the Ugandan treasurer, there's like so many clips, the treasurer of Uganda, there's so many clips of him.
4:16Don't worry, ladies and gentlemen, the economy is, whoa! He's unbelievable. No, I know, but he leaves it up there as well. And then he gets asked, like, Minister, you say you're going to create one million jobs, How are you going to do it? Oh, so many reasons. Yeah, here we go. His name is Matiah someone. Money moving in the air. That's the Chancellor of the Exchequer. So is this Rachel Reeves? This is Rachel Reeves. There's also the guy... So he's been missold. Have you seen the clip? Rachel wouldn't be so hated if she was going, money moving in the air. Moving in the air. That's what I mean, is that I want a politics.
4:58It's this fun. They commit. They're not media trained. It's the opposite. We've had no growth in six months, Rachel. Yes, but money is money. Because money is in the air. Everybody look. Have you seen the clip of the guy going, corruption is not bad. No. Corruption is only bad if I am not involved. But if I am part of that corruption, I'll defend it. He's a Ugandan politician. All of them are Ugandan. And I think it might be because, yeah, it's this guy. Corruption is not bad. Corruption is only bad if I'm not involved. Yes. But if I'm part of that corruption, I'll defend it. Right. So the reason why I think all these videos exist and that Ugandan political culture is so funny is because maybe Idi Amin is perhaps the genuinely funniest man who's ever ruled a country.
5:50He's got pure charisma. Undeniable. Gaddafi is funny because he wants to be taken seriously. Edie Amin knows he's funny and is like fucking with people he's also doing a lot I mean there's a lot of fruity stuff he's a funny school bully yeah he's fucking ginormous oh Ugandan mud wrestling yeah what about Eat De Poo Poo is that guy Ugandan I don't know if I've seen that I've seen this oh my god you know Eat De Poo Poo no oh my god look at this to find out where this is from I can't believe I'm showing you this oh this guy you know this no way maybe he's Kenyan like this by the other person, like ice cream.
6:29And then what happens, even poo-poo comes out. The other one poo-poo's out, and then they eat the poo-poo. The other one they do is... Oh my God. Oh my God, pause, pause. That is one of the funniest cuts. Sorry, sorry. He is Ugandan. But what I mean is that our political culture has been, it's been dulled to the point that I'm not interested. Yeah. If we had... Apathy is everywhere. Eat the poopoo gander. If we had an eat the poopoo conference, if Nigel Farage was out there, eat the poopoo. Eat the poopoo. He's the one that goes, in my tribe, if a man introduced to another man, ma, ma. Genuinely, I see all those videos, these videos at least three times.
7:16We haven't even talked about their Piers Morgan, who is, why are you here? Of course. That he's Uganda. The country. Oh my God. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's hit after hit after hit. It's fucking - It's the Avengers. It's Motown. It just does not stop. Uganda is the funniest political culture there's ever been. And there ever will be. And I think it comes down to the personality of the man we're talking about today, Idi Amin. Or is he a conduit? Did he just rise up out of - Were they always this funny? I don't know. You throw a rock and you'd hit an Idi Amin, seemingly. Well, maybe.
7:50It seems like everyone you speak to is an Idi Amin. Yeah, but it seems like what was, you know, before television, were Ugandans being this funny? Yeah. I don't know how they've got so funny. Yeah, well, I guess we'll try and uncover that in this episode. We should crack into Uganda. It is in East Africa. It borders, what, Kenya, Tanzania, Sudan. And at the bottom, there's Lake Victoria, which borders Zimbabwe, Zambia. So I think it's one of the first... Idi Amin, Big Daddy, he rules Uganda from 1971. to 1978, I think. Yeah, so the Heath Wilson years. Yes, very different years. There's not a lot of eat the poopoo.
8:31Wilson is not going. Well, actually, to be fair - Eat the poopoo, ain't no leaking. To be fair, I think Marcia might be making Harold Wilson eat the poopoo. Eat the poopoo, you little cunt. You little cunt. Ma, ma. Anyway, so before we get to 1971, let's deal with Uganda, which is one of the last colonies that is added to the British Empire. And one of the last to go, right? It's just off Zanzibar, just off the coast of Africa. That's like slavery ground zero. That's where they start doing all the slavery and that's where everyone thinks, well, this is a great idea. And then they move into it.
9:08So it's very involved in the slave trade. That's like the Manhattan Project, Zanzibar, but for slavery. Yes. That's where they came up with it. Yeah. and so it becomes the heartland of the slave trade East Africa the Brits arrive in the mid 19th century I'm sorry what is this Charlie? this is the biggest traditional circumcision ceremony in Africa it's a circumcising festival is it like Glastonbury? it's about getting your your lid chopped off yeah I do hope that's male circumcision I mean it looks quite joyous what's the line up this year? is it male or female? female? I'm going to skip it if it's no male's a bit of fun female is maybe the opposite I like the early stuff I think since since they moved on it's like that radio head pivot when they went to kid A yeah I didn't like FGM it wasn't for me kid A was a bit weird I found they um there's a thing called the endurance test where candidates must face the knife without flinching or showing any sign of pain to prove their bravery and before the ceremony the candidates they're called candidates are paraded through villages and again is it men or women I'd rather watch Bastille to be honest I think it's just men It looks like it's just men.
10:14Okay. That's all right. That's just guys hanging out. You can't circumcise a woman, can you? Charlie, we've been through this on a Patreon episode. You can genetically modify it. No, you can't. It's not GM. It's not genetically modified. It's genital mutilation. GM crops. They're not GMed women. That's not what you call them. Right. Anyway. Sorry. Join the Patreon if you'd like to hear the moment the penny dropped, which is one of my favourite moments in the podcast ever. When you have to find out what FGM is. When you Google it, he goes, oh, no. Anyway. um so the british arrive in the mid 19th century this is a scramble for africa which uh take me back yeah i love the scramble for africa uh my second favorite scramble after eggs it's sort of like scrabble for africa actually because it's the europeans playing scrabble with and africa's the board really yeah exactly what letters i get a long word the name uganda should we talk about this the name uganda isn't even anything to do with the so the there's a big kingdom with it inside what's now Uganda called Buganda.
11:12Buganda. Buganda. Boss Bemp. Born Bamsi Bin. Buganda. Brian Badonde was one of the first explorers. But no, but the Swahilis don't pronounce the B and the Swahilis were taught, who I think mainly Kenya or Tanzania, they were talking to the Brits. They led them in there. And so they call it Uganda. So the Brits was like, well, fucking Uganda. But the Bugandans were like, well, bang on. You're not banging in the B. Bang on a minute. We're Bamban. We're Bamban. We're Bamban. see the thing is that that's always brought up as sort of colonial ignorance but it's not like anyone corrected anyone or they got upset at any point if they were if Ugandans were bang on a minute bang on anyway anyway
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13:50PG-13 may be inappropriate for children under 13. In 1894, the protectorate of Uganda is established. Now, Uganda does not have as much mineral wealth as the other British colonies, but it is quite a unique climate for sub-Saharan Africa. It's a bit higher up. Well, it's right in the middle, sort of. Yeah, it's the interior. I mean, it's getting into half darkness, isn't it? And it's the source of the Nile is in Uganda, right? Yes, that's Lake Victoria, I believe. And that's why it was the last place to be discovered but it's because they looked at everything around from every... So this is Livingston and Stanley trying to connect the railway.
14:24But it's very good for growing coffee and crops. So it's a very luscious green part of sub-Saharan Africa. And so quite quickly, the Brits start growing a lot of coffee. The main part of Uganda is Buganda, and then there's sort of a lot of tribal stuff in the north. Yeah, because the borders of Uganda are completely manufactured. nonsense really. There's loads of different kingdoms. They wouldn't really know. Uganda doesn't really work as a collective entity. It was just invented by the British. Yeah, there's a story of a guy being told... Right, that's lunch. There's a story of a guy being told to find the mouth of a river or if a river goes this way, it's Congo.
15:05If it goes this way, it's Uganda. And he goes, what if there's not a river? And the guy goes, we'll just have a piss and see which way it flows. So he does that and draws... That's the border of Uganda. He pisses the border of Uganda. Yeah, basically. He pisses out the border. and people now die for that border from a British guy who did a piss in 1894. So for 500 years, the kingdom of Buganda profited from Braid but bound the Great Lakes. So you had the Kabaka who was the king. And when we talk about Idi Amin's rise to power, there's sort of three figures. We're going to cover a lot of history in this episode.
15:37There's Idi Amin, there's Milton Abote, and then there's King Freddie. And King Freddie is the Kabaka who is the king of Buganda. the traditional tribal king yeah um of the most kind of he's sort of buganda is like the england of the uk right in that it's the sort of economic cultural um engine southeast it's sorry it's yeah you know it's good yeah yeah in the home counties yeah but they're ugandan yeah um now buganda's king when the british start coming in he starts wearing a suit and so the brits are like well this guy's a terrific terrific chap um and so he then use it the british then use the bugandans to invade other kingdoms and they give the bugandans uh land and so colonial rule is already deepening a kind of north-south divide between yeah bugandans had a real alliance with the british and yeah managed to get a lot out of it basically so the north where idiomene is born is much poorer and it's more there's less infrastructure and the south is the quickly becomes the sort of economic centre.
16:36So Idi Amin is born at some point in the mid-1920s. We don't know when. So the North-South is like the North-South in England, basically. Yes, yeah. Lack of infrastructure. Lack of education. Yeah. They're massive. Supposedly, they are all bigger in the north of Uganda. And Idi Amin is fucking huge. If we find out how actually tall he was, Charlie, I mean, he's... Maybe the biggest dictator of all time? Definitely. 1.93 metres. What's that in feet? I mean, how much did he weigh? at his pomp nearly 300 pounds 130 kilograms which go heaviest dictator of all time can we just see if we get anything off the top of that Gemma Collins okay Gemma Collins is not a dictator Charlie but I guess this is this is the you know how much does Gemma Collins weigh 23 stone okay we're using a lot of different measurements it's quite different do you want the normal one well I just like it heaviest dictator I'd like it all in kilos also.
17:36Idi Amin, Kim Jong Il. No, he's not as fat. Surely not. Heaviest. No, Idi Amin, he's probably the heaviest dictator of all time. I think a lot of our favourite series have been dictators. Yes. Once we've done all the big ones, we do need to do a retrospective. Of course, top gear leaderboard. Yeah. You know when you played football and they handled all those trophies, even the fake ones, just to make you feel included? Yeah. We need to do that for dictators. So the average seven-year-old in the UK weighs 23 kilograms and Idiomene weighs... 130 kilograms. Yeah. So that's what? How many seven-year-olds?
18:13So again, my issue, Charlie, is that I've asked for kilo... Five. Five seven-year-olds. I've asked for consistent measurement of weight. There you go. Because you've given me kilos and stones. And Gemma Collins. And now you're giving me seven-year-olds. Five seven-year-olds. Right. Okay. So how many seven-year-olds is Gemma Collins? She would be... Let's calculate that. We must get this right. The listener is at sea. The listener does not know. Sorry, Charlie's there with an abacus trying to work us out. She is... At her heaviest. 146 kilograms, so she's heavier than Idi Amin. Wow. No, no. She is.
18:44No, at her heaviest. At her height. No, surely not. She's one seven-year-old heavier than Idi Amin. She's not heavier than Idi Amin. Now, I don't want to body shame anyone, but personally, I would say if I'm getting close to Idi Amin, I'm going on a diet. I think if I'm you know if I'm ever touching a mean at his lightest I'm going on a diet I would rather be more how heavy was Stan? but she did lose she lost a 7 year old not in birth excuse me? she now weighs she left her at pub she lost 23 kilograms are you telling me she's lost weight or the child's diet? this is the problem with this unit of measurement the child she's lost weight for fuck's sake yeah you can see why we started counting weight in kilos and stones, can't you?
19:31Rather than child. I've lost my seven-year-old child. Congrats. I've abandoned my child. I've lost weight. You look great. You look stunning. Right. So, he's heavy. He's fucking massive. Can we just find out how... I mean, now he's not even as heavy as Gemma Collins, so it's like, maybe he's not even that heavy. No. Part of it is kind of undermined. Sort of ruined it, actually. Why don't we just do it? Can we do it with Gemma Collins? She was going for a rough time. She got cheated on, I think. So, she put on a seven-year-old. Yeah, the fuck about Idi Amin. Do you mean that she got given a stepchild?
20:02She got given loads of weight. Right, she put on weight. Right, okay. How much did Saddam Hussein weigh? Because that's more where I model my entire aesthetic, really. It's peak Saddam Hussein. He weighed... He's 6 '1", so just about my height. He's only 97, so he's what? Still quite a lot of kilos. He's about 80 % of it. He had a big paunch, Hussein, but he wore it very well. Yeah, he looked... With a military fatigue. The problem is for a dad bod, if you're able to wear military fatigues, it's like designed for the dad bod. It's perfect. Yeah. Because you have that high-waisted, you have a kind of cummerbund type thing.
20:38Yeah, it's the elasticated waistband and the stained t-shirts. What have you found, Charlie? Idi Ami's favourite food was large amounts of orange-flavoured chocolate pudding. He's a funny guy. Yeah. He liked roasted meat and chocolate cake. Yeah, he also probably ate people as well. We'll get to that. how much do you know about him? Because obviously in the Pol Pot series, you went on a bit of a journey, let's say, with your opinions towards Pol. You read the research for this for the first time. Yeah, I liked him before and I'm kind of fine with him now. But what did you gain from the research?
21:12What kind of things did you learn? They love chocolate cake. You just Googled that now. Well, I learned that though yesterday. Yeah, right. That wasn't in the research we read. I did my own research. Okay. It's important to do your own research. Always question things, yep. He weighed five, seven-year-olds, and he met John Starr. No, no, we just talked about that. We just talked about that. This is my research. Right, okay. Five, seven-year-olds, he liked Kate. So he's born at some point in the 20s. He must absolutely shatter his mother's pub. Right. His first victim is his mother's pub. Yeah, he dropped her out his mother's pub.
21:42He dropped her out! He absolutely, Harry Maguire's out his mother's vag. Amin's first victim, poor one out for his mum. His father is Kakwa, so he's part of the Kakwa tribe. which is a sort of minority within Uganda. All right, woke. I'm a Kakwa ally. Now, Amin's father converts to Islam, and Ede later claims that he was born on Ede. He also claims that he was born on the capital. He makes loads of stuff up. He makes a lot of stuff up, as we'll discover. But he's got the sort of African footballer thing, right? Yes. There's no records of anything. He doesn't know how old he is. No. Pretty much everything before he was 15 is made up.
22:21Yeah, he's an African goalkeeper wearing trousers. He's in the tracksuit bottoms. And you're going, it doesn't really inspire confidence. But he's committed. He's committed. He's coming for any cross he's coming for. He's running out in his drought. He'd be a terrifying goalie. Yeah, he would be. He would be. He had tribal scars. Now, he's not educated in the Western sense. In the traditional sense. But I watched an African documentary about him. And the presenter was like, you know, he's still clever. It's just not in the Western way. Right. but she did not extrapolate what she meant by that but I you know he's not academically smart no but he speaks 12 languages and he is funny so he's clearly quick what are the 12 languages are they all tribal languages or is it like oh they're all gobbling is that what you mean I don't know what they are I mean 12 languages is very impressive yeah how many do you speak I struggle with one I think languages are the hardest thing for me so I'm always impressed but there'll be there'll be Swahili there'll be Kakwa English Luganda okay yeah and then he claimed fluency in Arabic French.
23:26But again... Do you know what I mean? So part of me, because he's making stuff up, anything which seems really impressive about him, he's probably made up. Because he also said that he could run the 100 meters in under nine seconds. Yes, which would be a world record at the time. I just want to take the 12 languages with a pinch of salt. Yeah. But also, I mean, but this is why I think I have such an affection for him is that, you know, my dad genuinely believes he can speak German. Genuinely. Right. Barely. Right. He has his own, what he calls Uberdeutsch. Right. Where he'll just go to Germany and go, yeah, yeah, I've all my hair.
24:03Pass and see the chippin' please. Chippin' bitter. Mmm. Chocolate chippin' bitter. Yeah. So, but it's that sheer confidence. Yes. Coupled with a huge stature. Yeah. And the Ugandan political culture. He's a laugh. He's a real laugh. He's a fucking laugh. In a way that, as much as we like Gaddafi, I don't know if Gaddafi was a laugh. No. He's funny. but i don't know if he's a lot he was trying to because he wanted to be lenin he wanted to be a thinker he wrote the famous book called the people's republican edie amin was a boxer was a boxer who was rugby player he's like tyson fury yeah he's like a comedian boxer so his mother was a witch doctor um uh supposedly um again everything sounds like i'm making massive sweeping statements she's also a prostitute the identity of his father is disputed but he was exposed to the military from a young age and again very early on he excels in sport which again when we look at dictators like Mao when Mao just plops himself in the river topless and he looks like a bloated corpse but he's doing that to project strength Amin actually was probably the most athletic of all dictators In a bar fight of all dictators, Idi Amin's going to win.
25:20He's a guy. For sure. 100%. 100%. 100%. He grew up around in the British colony. All the power was seen to be the soldiers. So that kind of formed him. Seeing that that's where all of the power and respect was going. So he's a Ugandan heavyweight boxing champion between the years 1951 to 1960. In his prime, he was 300 pounds. Played rugby. He's a swimmer. And these are all like military boarding school, kind of British sports. As Ferocious said, he claims he could run the 100 metres in under nine seconds, which would still be faster than, what's the Usain Bolt's record? 9.58? Yeah. Well, the Indian can smash that.
25:58I mean, there's something awesome about that. If I was a dictator, I'd be claiming all the records. 9.58 seconds is the current world record. And he weighs 300 pounds. 200 pounds, and he could shave a second off it. now amin has also has a sort of uh love affair with the british yeah um in that is what he's known really yes because and we should say that to set up uganda basically by the time amin's born the british have they're a kind of colonial upper class white men and then they have imported several thousand asians from india to build ugandan railways a sort of civil service the kind of middle class basically the asians have become the middle class and then the black Africans are sort of the working class which will come into the story later.
26:46It's peak colonialism, isn't it? Yeah. Are getting, importing Indians to be a buffer between them and Africans in Africa. Yes. It's like... It's another world, isn't it? You know, it's a different time. Couldn't do that these days. No, not these days. You know when you're watching like a film from 2005? Yeah. You're watching a fucking like Superbad and you're like, I couldn't make that these days. I don't these days. That's me reading this. You couldn't do that these days. I couldn't import Indians. so I didn't have to have African neighbours. You can't do that. In Sadiq's London, you can't do that anymore.
27:16Now, in 1946, Amin comes to the attention of a British army officer. In 1902, the British had set up the King's African Rifles, who were meant to be the kind of police force for the new colony. They fought the Germans in East Africa in World War I. They fought Vichy France in Madagascar. So Amin joined the King's African Rifles in 1946. despite really speaking English, but basically they see the size of him and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you'll do. Yeah, you'll do. Brilliant. So he starts as a cook and then he joins the infantry brigade and he quite quickly starts serving with distinction, we might add, in the various battles.
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27:55Yeah, he's a fucking unit. Yes. Now, a lot of the historians who wish to sling Amin's name around, drag it through the mud, they say that his taste for blood starts with how he was always rewarded for brutality in the King's African Rifles. So it's a Freudian thing, maybe. This is what they claim. I think, can't a guy just do a job well? But it's Pavlovian, actually. It's not Freudian. You know, Pavlovian response. He knows he smashes someone's head in. You'll get a choccy. You'll get some chocolate pudding. So yeah, they send him into the Mao Mao uprising in 53, which we covered briefly during the Prime Minister series.
28:36so the Mau Mau it's a bunch of it sounds a lot cuter than it is yes they're they're sort of they chop they chop people's heads off they're choppy choppy they should be called the choppy choppers the choppy choppers are have a go at the British in Kenya as it's then called Kenya Kenya my grandad still calls it that but I still called it that Kenya we're holidaying in Kenya this year now he Amin was nearly decapitated by a choppy choppy machete yes but he goes on to personally kill several rebels. It's all pretty gnarly. You know, long road to Rwandan genocide stuff. Hacky hacky. Yeah, Mau Mau, they were brutal rebels, but then the counter-insurgency was even more brutal.
29:20Almost as brutal as the British Empire ever got was the Mau Mau. Well, you're sending Idi Amin to fuck shit up. He's like Bane. He's the guy you call on. What is it, Charlie? It's all quite cute names. Idi Amin is quite a sweet name. You know, his full name is Idi Amin Dada. it yeah i mean dada that's nice yeah well actually it's not his full title which we'll get to in next episode um so commanders regard him as excessively violent and there's obviously a sort of uh racist lens that there's a stereotype that he's massive he's massive black he's strong what is that a stereotype yeah no sorry i thought i know yeah that's the truth he is though no i know yeah but but it's in their sort of viewing i think they they think he's stupid because that's the other part of that stereotype.
30:04Yeah. When actually I think he's much sort of more cunning than that. He's clearly got some street smarts. I'm just going to list some things that the British are accused of during the Mau Mau. Apparently. Apparently. Sexual assaults, setting people on fire, cutting off ears and castration. Make your own minds up. Sure. I've made mine up. We don't know what they'd said. We don't know what they'd done to provoke these things. Some of them may have said, please can you set me on fire? I'm very cold. Cut my ears off, please. Cut my ears off. I don't want to hear it. Yes, Charlie. Do you go deaf if they cut your ears off?
30:35We've had this discussion. One of the first steps. The first episode we had this discussion. What did we say? Nothing goes in your head at all, does it? I don't think you were. You don't need the outer ear to hear. We've had this discussion. So what's the point of the outer ear then? I think it catches the sound in your ear though. That was exactly the conversation we had. That was exactly the exact conversation. Now, Amin gets promoted to sergeant for his performance during the Mau Mau, the Choppy Choppy Rebellion, and he's praised by Superiors as, quote, a black man who can take on other black men.
31:04So this is when black on black violence was seen as a good thing? Yes. By the British state. They want to encourage black on black violence. You know, as a man, his other soldiers, he opens beer bottles with his teeth. He's that guy. Right. We all eat one. I can't do that. He opened beer bottles with his teeth as if that was enough. As if that was brilliant. But it's a very evocative note, I think. I think it totally describes who we're dealing with. Yeah, I guess it's a kind of mindset, isn't it? Yeah. It's a reckless. Fuck it. Fuck it. I'll do that. I've never been able to do that. I've always been terrified of breaking my tooth.
31:37Yeah, as you should be. To me, the risk reward of having to wait for a bottle opener versus like the humiliation of being seen to the owl and then still not have a beer to drink. You're not idiot, I mean. I'm not idiot, I mean. You've got a different mindset. I'm not idiot, I mean. You've got a mortgage. I've got a mortgage and I have several bottle opens. Not to brag, I have several bottle openers. Charlie, what have you just Googled? Tell us what you've just Googled. Tell us what you've just Googled. tell us what you've just googled can you open a beer bottle with your bum oh and what does AI of you say can you read that out please can you read that out please for the listeners it is physically impossible and biologically implausible implausible only implausible keep going to open a beer bottle using the anal sphincter muscle yeah I guess you could do it though if you've got the right clench keep reading keep reading the human body's anatomy and physiology are not designed for such a purpose the muscular structure and function of the anus are not capable of generating the specific force and manipulation required to operate a bottle opener or safely pry off a bottle.
32:33Safely. It does sound like AIO viewers tried it, though. Do you know what I mean? Well, it clearly knows who Charlie is because it's saying, please do not attempt such a feat. It would be extremely dangerous and could lead to severe injury, including rectal damage, severe bleeding, infection. I can work it. No, our listeners need to know. I can make the leap. They can't. They're thick, okay? They need to know they cannot open beer bottles with their bums. yeah it would be hard be very hard you'd have to have yeah you'd have to have a metal you could get a beer bottle put open it into put between your cheeks like i think i could open i think i could open a beer can with my ass yes i mean how do you get the leverage underneath well you need to prize it to 45 degrees well then yeah you're sort of cheating then why because you've already done you've already done half it would need to be a little it couldn't be one of those ones that's very stick stuck down but i think i could from there yeah i could squeeze yeah i open cans of my teeth because i haven't got any fingernails oh cans of your teeth like that you open cans what like even like cans of beans it's not sometimes yeah it's not that impressive opening a beer can with your teeth yeah well i just have i've got no choice opening a beer bottle with your teeth is cool opening a can of beans with your teeth is quite sad anyway uh amin is a laugh uh he's opening beer bottles with his teeth now uh memoirs by his officers describe him as a great soldier but also quote violent stupid and hypersexual which is a sort of cliche of black masculinity at this point but ameen leans into that he's sexy did you hear on the the noiser podcast we need to shout out the guy who does the noise it dictates because it is we have to listen to a lot of boring podcasts but they're very well done they are done well and we are trying to do more soundscapes and i am waiting for the right moment for us to do one yes um but did you hear when he interviewed uh like some female academic who just all she could say is how much he wanted to fuck idr mean basically she kept coming in just talking about how much we're hearing about a genocide and she's like yeah but he just had this aura yeah it's really sexy big man imagine that on top of you yes propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self.
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36:35Yeah, Effendi. Oh, you're a fucking Effendi. now i've got like a slur for people who take offense yeah don't be an offendee chill out now in 1962 it's uh who's this mcmillan is uh mcmillan is watching his wife get railed and uh he's watching it like a cricket match right yes he's the lord's hum yeah nine hours it's peaceful he's not saying too much he's got he's sipping on a drink strawberries cream and champagne pimps pimps is a real cucks drink isn't it there's an upper class cuck drinking pimps drinking it all and just eating the fruit yeah uh 62 is when uganda gains independence from united kingdom shall we place this this would be the basis of edamine's uh story 1962 it's after the suez canal yeah what's that 57 52 uh it's 56 and it is before people started throwing rubbish in canals i think the canal has uh is a symbol of the west has fallen yes the canal has been is not held in the same esteem maybe since suez maybe i'm starting a theory wow where the suez canals uh loss yeah means british people go well i guess we don't care about canals i guess no canal is ours i guess canals don't mean anything i'm just gonna put a shop in short fuck it then that's a that's a tougher one to find as a historic thing i guess it's the general trend Charlie, could you find out when did people start littering in canals so much?
38:05When did the first shopping trolley go in a canal? Because I think maybe you have an idealised... Yeah, I feel in the Industrial Revolution, there's a lot of slurry in there. People saying industrial... Industrial rubbish. Okay. I think this might be all the nostalgia TikToks you're watching about the good old days. Yes. I think this is just LBC, really. Well, I do have a sense that in the 50s, people would not chuck a shopping trolley in the canal but maybe I'm wrong maybe yeah maybe it's because of the lack of shopping trolley but do you know what actually shopping trolleys weren't a thing because the supermarket comes in in the 70s or the 80s when was the shopping trolley British supermarkets the shopping trolley so it will work this placement will work we'll make it work if we get the first ever shopping trolley 1937 that's in Oklahoma in Britain when is the first supermarket in Britain open 1950 50.
38:5550.
38:59Okay. It's... Go on. Uganda becomes independent in 1962. This is... Right. Ah, ah, ah, ha, ha. There you go. The first shopping trolley thrown into the UK waterways. Became a major environmental issue. In the late 1970s. That's good. That's good. Thank you. Well, we've done it. And why is this... I can't remember why it's relevant. Is it because of all the strikes and just the general distrust in institutions? Our British Prime Minister series could also really be the history of shopping trolleys. Yeah. Yeah. They used to be a symbol of modernity. In the 50s, they're a symbol of modernity, right?
39:39The supermarket, the white goods revolution. Yeah. And now it's just fucking... Fucking in the canal. It's rubbish. I mean, I've never thrown a shopping trolley in a canal, but it does feel... Oh, you've not lived. You've not lived. It does feel like an amazing sense of reckless abandon. When I was 19 in Amsterdam, we met some Irish people on a pub crawl, me and my friend, and they tried to convince us to push a car in a canal. We didn't do it, but we tried for a bit. It was very heavy, though. That must feel amazing. Come on, would you get the car in the canal? Come on, would you? Come on! It's a very persuasive accent.
40:08Yeah, it is. You have a drink, will you? Yeah, chuck a... I'm trying to get the car in there, will you? Come on! You chuck a car in a canal, will you? Anyway, so... There's a lot of line bikes in canals. That seems to be the new thing. Well, this is what I mean. I mean, that's fun. If you just chuck a line bike in there, it is a lot of fun. Fuck off. Heavy, though. Big splash. My point is that Uganda becomes independent. You'd say probably the midpoint between the canal being a symbol of Britain's imperial pomp and it being littered with line bikes and shopping trolleys and condoms. It's the beginning of the speeding up of the decay of the British Empire.
40:41Yes. As seen through canals. Yeah. Now, his success sort of relies on the British colonial structure and the armed forces. So we now get into quite a complicated situation where Uganda's first prime minister is a man called Milton Obote. And he is well educated. He comes from the north. He's a different ethnicity to Amin. He is. It's not Milton Jones, Charlie. It's not Milton Jones. Milton Jones was not briefly Ugandan prime minister. I can't think of a comedian less suited to running Uganda than Milton Jones. I've got a lot of time for Milton Jones. I've played football with him. He's a very nice man.
41:18I think he would crumble day one. I don't think puns in a zany shirt. I don't know. I think cometh the hour, cometh the man sort of thing. Really? I think as soon as he puts the medals on, I think we'd see a different type of Milton Jones. I think he'd be the pun dictator. My granddad. I don't think it would work. I don't think it would work out of interest what kind of footballer would you expect Milton Jones to be can I tell you what it's not who he is right back goalie Michael Owen really bangs in the box bangs them in he fucking slaps them in and he doesn't celebrate either really yeah cold cold blooded he's like Miroslav Closer shrugs every goalie just shrugs off and goes yeah whatever very unlike his stage persona sure yeah anyway so Milton Abote not Milton Jones is um he's pan-African and he's a he's sort of a socialist and he wants to this is all the rage in 60s Africa because they're becoming independent they're looking at America yeah it's the decolonization era uh so he's pushing to nationalize major uh British industries there's a process called Africanization which the British hold a lot of the main positions but a Bote wants to Africanise all the institutions i.e.
42:43give all the jobs to black Africans that to be fair at the bottom of society underneath the Indians and the Brits. It's like driving a car and not teaching someone how to drive a car yes and then they're saying I feel I should learn how to drive a car fine and then you roll out the window go on then go on then fuck off Uganda and the you know this wave of decolonization happens far too quickly yeah and but again this is this is the the warm fertile breeding ground of the golden age dictators right very sexy it's the warm moist wet dripping dictators yeah do you know what i mean it's it's it seems like maybe we're part we're not having as many colorful dictators these days as we used to these days it these days.
43:29But it feels like once a colonial power leaves, the person who comes in and establishes power normally is quite a fruity man. Yes. Because there's a vacuum. Yeah. So Uganda does not have many highly trained senior officers. Promotions are moving faster than the training can handle because the Brits just fuck off. They're just like, we'll see you then. Fuck off. And so there's lots of ethnic tensions that the Brits just kind of abandon. Now, Abote quite quickly realises that he needs Idi Amin. Now, Idi Amin at this point is... To be fair to us, though, we are completely broke. No, we're fucked.
44:05We're completely fucked. This is during... We don't have any money. Alec Douglas Hume is in. Yeah. Not even he could turn the ship around. With his way with words, his ability to inspire the masses. I mean, in many ways, Britain's own Idi Amin was Alec Douglas Hume. A giant of a man. Figuratively and literally. Huge. So Abote realises that he needs the army to maintain any kind of authority. Now, Amin at this point is a lieutenant and he's one of the only two black commissioned officers in the entire force. And now in 62, Amin is sent to the Karimodong borderlands of Uganda and Kenya to deal with cattle rustlers.
44:48He, as is his way, threatens to cut the penis off every male Karimodong who refuses to surrender. he doesn't miss his words no it's a very ugandan it's an africa core i will cut your penis off i'll make you eat the poopoo if you do not surrender mama now he then kills allegedly 118 turkana tribes people by leaving them in cages stacked on top of each other and they suffocate in the sun so he makes a sort of people lasagna and then leaves it in the oven too long battery farm turkeys battery farm turkeys essentially but now they're all like he needs to be charged he needs to be court-martialed but they don't want to tarn it firstly they're terrified of him and he's so popular but he's a star he's a star but also it's one of the only black officers in the newly independent army the brits are fucking off they do not want to tarnish his reputation so in 63 he's promoted to major they're like just don't do that again don't make a people just fucking chill out don't make a people lasagna again look you wouldn't know what lasagna is because we're British and not Italian.
45:54It's not your fault. You're meant to layer ragu with bechamel sauce and then sheets of pasta. Not just put person, person, person, person, person. It needs to be a sauce in between. Yes, that might, maybe they would have been able to eat the ragu long enough for them to be released. We don't know. We don't know. We can't know. In 64, he's promoted again. He's now Deputy Commander of the entire Ugandan Army. Now in 61, there's a big wage dispute where Amin helps Abote to solve this. Amin comes in and basically tells them all to back down. They force feed. It's not Abote. Do they force feed Abote?
46:31Their rations or the general? They basically got shit rations. They turn their general into a suffragette basically and make him eat the shit they've been eating. A goose. Do they do that to suffragettes? It's force feeding. Do they do that? That's one of those famous things. Ladies, right? This is 101. They force-fed suffragettes. Yeah, I mean, how do you not... All I know is that they just couldn't stop... All I know is their fucking mouthy broads. No, all I know is that they just couldn't stop throwing themselves in front of horses. Yeah, no, because they all went on hunger strike. Oh, they were hungry.
47:04Oh, for God's sake. Well, I mean, my girlfriend often forgets to eat. It's girl dinners. It's just got to stop. Stop just eating crisps and then going to bed. You're going to wake up at two. I've got a headache. You haven't drunk water in three days. Yeah. No wonder they had to force-feed them. Where's your big sippy cup? I bought you a massive sippy cup. It's so ludicrously big because you always forget it if it's any smaller. Basically, women just walk around these days with fucking tankards of water. They're idiots. They need to be reminded by the size of their bottle that they have to drink water.
47:36You can lead a woman to water, but unless it's a big sippy cup, they won't drink out of it. And that's what the people who are force-feeding suffragettes are saying. Anyway, so Amin solves this dispute, but again, he agrees to pay their demands, but he is just more and more he's becoming the focal point of the army he's a guy that people like now we get to the 1966 buganda crisis now this is this is where it gets quite complicated you have the reigning kabaka who's the king of buganda as we said the sort of central central province in uganda his name is big deep breath sir edward frederick william david walugembe Mutebi Luagula Mutesa II.
48:14Fuck. That name really transitions. Otherwise known as King Freddy. It does transition, doesn't it? It's a good... It's four good old chaps. And then... And then they fall down the stairs. Yeah. It's a British colonial chap falling down the stairs. My name is Sir Edward Frederick William David Mutebi Luagula Mutesa II. That's when he gets up at the end. Yeah. but he's otherwise known as King Freddy they give him a Brazilian striker name yeah he's Fred he's Fred he's King Fred now he had been he'd been a very he'd been a much loved by the British and he you know he wore suits and he had been trading with the British both sides were enriching themselves off but Abote and Amin they're from a different part of Uganda they're from the north they resent how Buganda's elite power has survived the end of the empire.
49:11Abote is the first prime minister, but he doesn't really have any power over King Freddy, who thinks he's still the head of his region of Buganda. It's confusing. So it is confusing. The British have just fucked off, and they've left a sort of simmering, but no one really can claim. But the Brits don't like Abote because he represents sort of anti-colonial, potentially communist. He's uppity. Yeah. So there's a Simba rebellion, which is where a left-leaning coalition of insurgents called Simbas, they try and topple the central government during a, this is in the Congo. Can't deal with that now.
49:44Which we can't deal with that at the moment. The Belgium have gone, listen. The Belgium have done the worst anyone's done in Africa and then left immediately. The Belgians have managed the Congo fine. Okay, they've managed it. It needed managing. Yeah, it's a tough case. And also they're Belgian. They don't know how to do anything. I mean, I didn't read that Tintin book. Tintin in the Congo? Yeah, fuck me. This one's not really safe for work. Christ. Anyway, Abote backs the Simba and starts supplying them weapons. And the scandal that follows is known as the Congo Gold Crisis, where Abote and Idi Amin, together, as a bit of a naughty double act, they extract all the mineral wealth.
50:27Which is what you do in Congo. It's what you do in Congo, is you extract mineral wealth. Yeah, come on. When in Rome, do us the Romans. When in Congo, do us the Congans. Exactly. um i mean it feels like quite a nice male bonding experience to both extract mineral wealth together yeah it's like a nice day out it's a nice kind of i think it's a nice moment of platonic love what are you doing this weekend should go and extract some congolese mineral wealth making memories making memories that's all king leopold ii was doing okay i made some memories if that's a crime yeah i'm guilty then fine can a man not make memories anymore you know memories that last a lifetime now someone deposits 340 000 ugandan shillings which is about 200 grand into idiom bank which is more than he would have earned in a decade as the deputy commander of the army most officials right you don't get a great wage so you have to find other work but if i am part of that corruption i will defend it um he builds a large smuggling network and he's personally selling weapons for gold ivory coffee king freddy the bugandan demands an inquiry and this explodes into a political crisis, a constitutional crisis, where Abote and Amin double up and frame this as a Bugandan plot to try and get away with it.
51:40So Abote then cracks down on King Freddy. He arrests everyone loyal to King Freddy. He suspends the constitution. He declares himself president. King Freddy then fights back, and he ejects Abote and Amin from office. So it's kind of on the brink of civil war, which is important, Charlie. Is this going to be an important interjection? Is the money like Gringotts? Is it all physical money? Like, how do they do it back in the day? Now it's imaginary. Do you bank with Gringotts? No.
52:12What do you mean, how do they do it? Like, if you have 200 ,000 pounds, is it all just coins? Well, I think this will be wire transfer, I imagine. Really? Well, yeah. I mean, banking, you know, the international Wall Street crash of the 20s. You know, you wire someone money. Oh, yeah, yeah. Where are the wires? Electric money. I don't actually know. To be fair, it's not a terrible question. It does. You do wonder whether. Yeah, invoking Gringotts is quite. Yeah, maybe that was the wrong way around. Yeah, I don't think Gringotts got anything to do with Idi Amin's rise to power. But again, why would our listeners know that?
52:44Yeah, well, you know, we can't know. Now, Idi Amin and Abote are ejected from Buganda, which is where the capital Kampala is. So it's on the brink of civil war. So then we get to Idi Amin's sort of, I guess, maybe this is the origin story. This is like the big thing. This is Joker film. This is the Joker film. The Battle of Mango Hill. So 23rd of May 1966, England have got a good feeling about this. This year's going to be different. It's a home cup. It's a home cup. Nobby Stiles is at the back. We've got Geoff Hurst. The Charlton brothers. The Charlton brothers. I'm feeling good about this in deepest darkest Africa Idi Amin arrives in the capital Kampala at the head of a large military convoy he positions troops around the presidential palace King Freddy's palace, the Lubiri palace and begins pummeling it with 122mm cannons.
53:44Palace gets pummeled. Can we get a photo up of 122mm cannon? There's no two ways about it the palace was pummeled. Lubiri's pussy palace is getting absolutely pounded by Amin's massive cannon. Apparently he takes a turn himself laughing while he fires. He's a funny guy. He's a fun guy. I want to go. You know, if I was the head of an army, I'd be like, fuck up, you get all the fun bit. I just have to, I'm middle management at this point. I want to fucking go. Give me the cannon. Amin blocks the Red Cross from delivering aid. Soldiers then loot the palace, kill a lot of civilians uh and supposedly there are like lorries full of bodies uh but a boat just goes there's a few there's a few it's a police matter it's a police matter some of the loyalists to king freddy are buried alive um within an hour all the militia are dead and idi amin goes into the palace and takes king freddy's crown flag and uniform to a boat's office in a jeep so it is essentially like storming buckingham palace what's quite interesting about king freddy though is his escape right yes is that he manages to basically climb over the palace walls and he just hails a taxi it's very african escape isn't it he just gets an uber basically yeah yeah and then he he then gets given sanctuary by some catholic clergy uh disguised with a priest smuggling about the country and then he ends up in london where he dies of alcohol poisoning at 45 in rotherhive really yeah yeah so so he was those are some pretty gnarly pubs around there yeah that's That's Millwall territory, essentially.
55:13Yeah, but dying of alcohol poisoning at 45, that's serious, serious drinking, right? Yeah, but it's Millwall. He dies of old age in Millwall terms. That's like Sandro numbers, right? Surely. Yeah. 45. What are you drinking that day?
55:32Anyway. Can we get a photo of King Freddy? I just need to see. Let's see King Freddy. I imagine there's a bit of swagger. How much he looks like a booze bag. No, look at that. You can imagine him cunted. He looks small though. With a rollie. You can imagine him with a rollie in a pub, like kind of half asleep. Can you go King Freddy drinking in Rotherhithe? Let's see if there's... I wouldn't go on a pub crawl of Rotherhithe, put it that way. It seems like that's all he did. Rotherhithe tunnel, when was it? I know it's open currently. When did it open? I walked through it. There's no way. You walked through the Rotherhithe tunnel?
56:01You're not allowed to do that. I know. That's bad for you. It's really bad. No wonder you're ill. You might as well just be sucking on an exhaust for half an hour. I thought it would just be straight under well it is straight under but straight under is a while it's a while isn't it it hurt was it what the pollution yeah the pollution really hurt I just thought you could just you walked it's a really long tunnel yes yes I hadn't been under it before the one you can walk is in between Mud Street and Island Gardens that one's nice that one's nice and you can cycle it sometimes it's like 40 cigarettes I think in one trip I cycled on a line bike there about 11.30pm millennium done And there's no security cameras.
56:39It's pretty sick. Well, there was fucking like 10 teenagers who were looking. And it was like... And you're there going, excuse me. Well, I was just at pace and they were shouting at me and I was like, luckily the elevator came in time, but it was like, I could have... I thought they could have absolutely fucking... Oh, because the elevators are quite slow. Yeah. So I used to live in... But also imagine how pathetic that is. Because they're in the middle of the tunnel. I whizzed past... Are you on a line bike? I'm on a line bike. And then I press the button. You can't get it up the stairs. They're walking towards me.
57:12And it's like, if it didn't come in time, there's nothing you could do. You can't do that because you can't get the line bike up the stairs because it's heavy. No. So that would have been quite terrifying. What a way to go that would have been. Anyway, so he declares martial law, which is maybe his big error because it just means the army are even stronger now. The army are even more poised. So we get to the January 1971 coup. All the while... Sorry. Sorry. It's my dad. You know, it's my dad's coming to power. So after King Freddy's out of the way and Milton Obote's running the country, Amin starts recruiting soldiers from his tribal strongholds in the north of Uganda to shape the army into his own image.
57:55So he starts to kind of answer to himself rather than the state. Now, at this point, is he head of the army? Idi army. He's Idi army. Yeah. Idi army dada. He's the army dada. ID army dada ID ID army dada I mean I mean I mean dada well it's like it's either ID army dada or it's quite calm isn't it yeah I mean dada I mean he's he's a mean dada he's a mean dada he gets quite mean well that's why um dictators names they are just brilliant because they often Saddam Hussein is the perfect dictator name because it sounds like madman insane it's the perfect name. Idi Amin. Hussein the Membrane. So damn it, right.
58:41Yeah. Who's got the best dictator name out of us three? Charlie Milner's not... I don't think so. I think it's probably you. Yeah, Horatio Gould. That feels like there's a lot of corruption going on now. I defend it. Horatio sounds like a name. It feels like the name version of putting loads of medals. Yeah. That you haven't earned. Yes. Yeah. Now, Abote's head of the country. Amin's head of the army. It's the early 1970s. Abote is increasingly moving left politically. He's increasingly making anti-Western noises. And the Brits, who still have industrial interests in Uganda, are starting to get a bit worried.
59:18They start to think that Idi Amin would be a better choice for leader because he is someone who served in the king's rifles. He was very robust against the Mau Mau, the choppy choppies. And he's got a great affection for the queen and Scotland as well. He's a classic empire man in their heads. So the British, the American, and the Israeli security services, they start offering Amin assistance with the aim of maybe him taking power. Now, in 1969, it's the summer of love, but not in Uganda. I don't know how much love is going on in Uganda. So on the 19th of December 1969, Kabaka, that's Amin's tribe, loyalists try to assassinate Abote.
1:00:01They shoot him at close range. the bullet hits his cheek and goes out the other side which is kind of mental that is mental so Bote responds with emergency laws thank god his mouth is open I know the laws are anyone holding a gun in his presence instant death sentence throwing an egg is punishable by life imprisonment yeah I mean yeah and that's sort of fair yeah come on nah just fucking I mean Prescott's the closest we've ever got to Idiot Man I mean that's also so fair from Prescott fuck off you can't just throw an egg and not expect any retaliation. The Home Secretary is built like Idi Amin.
1:00:36He is our only version of Idi Amin. It's Prescott. Fuck off. Anyway, everyone expects that Amin's ordered this because it's his tribe that's done it. He was missing during the assassination. He claims that he fled without his shoes and left. Now, then a guy called Yere Okoyo tells Abote that Amin had organised the assassination attempt. Then a few weeks later, Okoyo and his wife a shot dead gun down on their doorstep. Authorities capture the gunmen. They claim that Idi Amin had paid them. Now, Bote still lacks solid proof, but he is now in between a rock and a hard place because he needs the army on side to keep this kingdom together, but the army is fully in the hands of Idi Amin.
1:01:19Now, Amin's corruption is becoming increasingly obvious. He has so much cash in his pocket that he's walking in a funny way. He's got like a limp. He looks like he's had double hip replacement. Just all coins rattling around. There are supposedly 35 million pounds worth of money meant for the military operations fund that have been misappropriated. Misappropriated. Cultural misappropriation. Could not tell you where they are. The money is in the air. Moving in the air. So in 1970, Idi Amin goes to Cairo for the funeral of Abdel Nasser. Who does he meet there? Our old friend, the colonel. this is this this will form the basis of a romance that we'll get into in the next few episodes in this series this is like better call saw when you see water white yeah it's like the crossover it's a great moment gaddafi and i mean bros you know that you know it's like when you meet someone new a guy man and they you know they finish they finish each other's sentences they call something gay and you call some retard and you're like oh you're down to fuck you're cool you know it's like you touch hands and this is how Gaddafi they're right it's a montage of them riding tandem bikes or they're they both maybe they name a random 90s Premier League footballer and they're like oh oh my god Phil Babb I didn't know other people knew about Phil Babb Charlie video of Phil Babb sliding into the goal post I know I know we nearly we had a lot of history this episode just quickly fire it up I want to see it again a waffy a thin mint a waffy a thin mint to finish us off Phil Bab Pelluigi Casaragi's first goal for Chelsea maybe the worst stream I've ever seen Phil Bab whoa god it's bad we're just watching footage of Phil Bab sliding into a goal post and it's I mean that's one way of having your tubes cut I suppose Phil Bab's not having kids today fuck me that's bad medieval vasectomy so whilst Amin is in Cairo meeting Gaddafi you know ooh yeah I met someone Einstein meets Oppenheimer.
1:03:30He's called the Colonel. Einstein meets Oppenheimer. Ant meets Deck. These great historical figures. These great historical figures. While he's away, Abote demotes him and assumes command of the army himself. So now, January 1971, Abote is away attending a Commonwealth summit in Singapore. And while he's away, he orders the Ugandan army to arrest Idi Amin. Now they then go, some of the army then go to Idi Amin and tell him, oh, we've been ordered to, arrest you but we're not going to do it because we love you yeah and so he didn't mean basically he's like fuck it let's go he's away let's have a fucking party while the parents are away and so he essentially then they i think the the guys just on the noiser podcast it seems like they hadn't planned this at all the guy's just like you know what we're not going to arrest you and we've we've also as a precaution we've just taken a radio station do you want to just do you want to just go and say you're in charge now yeah and then he's like yeah fuck it why not one of the key moves in a coup is to get on the radio yeah do a podcast but it's completely improvised yeah Amin just goes fuck it it's free form coup fuck it let's do it I'm gonna do it takeover is met with no resistance he goes to the radio what is it Hot FM Hot FM maybe yeah who knows absolutely he's chucked Roman Kemp out the window fuck off Roman I would like to chuck the Capital FM guys out the window I would Whenever I see them on the phone, I'm like, fuck, just fuck off.
1:04:53People are listening to this shit.
1:04:57You're listening to... Why are you so happy? It's 7 a.m. Yeah. So Amin promises to Uganda a fresh start. Lower taxes. We'll give King Freddy a state funeral. Clever. Nice. He's immediately... So he's got political instincts. He's the guy who fucking shot his palace with a cannon and nicked his crown. And now he's going, let's give the guy a state funeral. Get you a guy who can do both. Yeah. palace with a cannon yeah give an old king a state funeral it's the two sides of man the guy you marry idiom is in charge of uganda yeah in our next episode we will deal with why he has been come to know be known as the butcher of uganda i think unfairly i also i like butchers i think they're better than supermarkets it's true uh let's go back rebuild the high street yes we need more butchers of uganda more ugandan butchers we need more bakers of uganda we need more cobblers of uganda we need them all you know at the moment it's just fucking chicken shops of uganda and and we will get to his personality his admiration for a little man called adolf hitler he has a way of turning up in every single story he really does and idi amin god bless him is has been known to history as the black hitler yeah why are you blood and your dick here in the black hitlers my dick here no it's not it's just my dick here in black hitler is ronaldo celebrating a free kick it's it's naught to 60 the black hitler anyway uh the rest the entirety of this three-part series is already on our patreon where for three pounds a month you get instant access and bonus episodes uh there's a whole aladdin's cave instant gratification if you have if you are up to date with the podcast if you're someone who or is always listening to the latest episode and you run out, there is hours of extra content on the Patreon.
1:06:52Reams. Reams of the stuff. Reams of slurs behind a paywall. My God, the slurs are there. That's where they are. If you're looking to take us down, it's all there. Go there, find the Furman tapes. There's so much of it, you won't know what to do. It's a blizzard. There's about six, maybe there's about, I don't know, 30 hours, 40 hours of stuff on there. At least. At least. Anyway, that's on the Patreon. But if not, we'll see you on Thursday for the continuation of the EDMian story. Goodbye. Goodbye.
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00:00 - Eat Da Poo Poo
06:51 - You Can’t Circumcise Women
10:54 - How Many 7 Year Olds?
17:43 - Idi’s Telling Fibs
21:41 -
Choppy Choppy
26:41 - Bum Beer Bottle
30:54 - Long Road To Suez
35:59 - Africa Core
40:35 - Girl Dinner!
44:45 - Making Memories
48:06 - Ten Teenagers!
53:16 - Money Moving In De Air
59:21 - Give A Man A Funeral
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