Amelia Aircrash & The Big Nazi Tit In The Sky | The History of Flight (Part 2/2)

3 Jul 2025 · 58 min · 22 chapters

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In short

How early aircraft evolved during World War I (recon photos, fighter planes, air combat, bombing, Zeppelins), then how Nazi Germany’s Hindenburg symbolized luxury and propaganda before its 1937 Lakehurst disaster; the episode then pivots to Amelia Earhart and the rise and fall of “air feminism,” ending with World War II’s jet/modern air power shift.

Guests

None. The episode appears to be a two-host discussion (no guest names or bios provided in the transcript).

Key claims

WWI drove rapid plane iteration through constant crashes and experimentation; the Fokker Eindecker’s synchronized machine gun enabled real dogfights and “aces.” Passenger airships ended after the Hindenburg fire. Earhart became a major public symbol for women in aviation, but the episode argues that her disappearance contributed to a decline in female pilots.

Notable examples

Orville/Wilbur’s 1903 era; Fokker Eindecker; Manfred von Richthofen; Zeppelin R101 crash; Zeppelin Hindenburg (1936) with swastikas; Lakehurst, New Jersey (1937) “Oh, the humanity” moment; Earhart’s 1928 Atlantic crossing (as passenger) and 1932 solo Atlantic; 1937 circumnavigation attempt and disappearance near Howland Island.

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The Early Days of Flight

1:10 to 2:18

Exploring the initial developments in aviation and the Wright brothers.

Technological Acceleration in Aviation

2:18 to 4:28

Discussion on the rapid advancements in airplane technology during the early 20th century.

“Because it feels like everything's going faster, but if you'd never seen any sort of machines, suddenly trains, planes, fucking loads of stuff.”

World War I and Air Combat

4:28 to 6:10

The evolution of airplane use in combat during World War I.

“The controller got stuck between his arse cheeks.”

The Rise of Fighter Planes

6:10 to 9:08

The introduction of fighter planes and their role in aerial warfare.

“when war breaks out, when German and allied planes were past each other, they'd wave because they're like, oh, hello.”

Zeppelins vs. Airplanes

9:08 to 13:40

Contrasting the development of zeppelins with traditional airplanes.

“But you had to be flying where you're shooting.”

Introduction to Airships

14:00 to 14:27

Learn about the origins and characteristics of rigid airships.

The Rise of the Zeppelin

14:53 to 17:18

Explore the rapid development of Zeppelins and their luxury market.

“And in the start of the 20th century, Zeppelins developed rapidly.”

British and German Zeppelin Programs

17:18 to 20:02

Discuss the contrasting approaches of Britain and Germany to airship travel.

“So he says, while this conference is happening, I'm going to fly this Zeppelin to India and back.”

The Hindenburg's Introduction

20:02 to 22:34

Learn about the Hindenburg's construction, features, and luxury.

“And in spite of several Zeppelin crashes in the 1920s, they, in 1936, they start work on the mother of all Zeppelins.”

Naming and Propaganda of the Hindenburg

22:34 to 24:16

Discover the historical context and naming of the Hindenburg.

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Commercial Flights and Tragedy

24:16 to 27:41

Examine the commercial life of the Hindenburg and its eventual tragedy.

“And it's got swastikas on the back of it.”

The Hindenburg's Landing and Legacy

27:41 to 28:00

Learn about the final flight and landing of the Hindenburg in New Jersey.

“I think it's called Lake, what's it called?”

The Airship's Final Journey

28:00 to 29:12

A discussion of a tragic airship accident and its implications.

“Which is the name of my first solo album.”

Impact on Passenger Airship Travel

29:12 to 31:09

How a catastrophic event ended the era of passenger airships.

“Hitler's doing long reads in The Observer.”

Amelia Earhart: A New Era

31:09 to 32:36

Introduction to Amelia Earhart and her groundbreaking achievements.

“All the while, a little girl, a little probably lesbian...”

Earhart's Rise to Fame

32:36 to 34:01

Exploring Earhart's journey to becoming a famous aviator.

Earhart's Achievements and Legacy

34:24 to 36:34

Discussion of Earhart's significant flights and impact on aviation.

“Maple glazed, roasted, and edges perfectly caramelized.”

The Final Flight of Earhart

36:34 to 42:00

Details surrounding Amelia Earhart's ambitious attempt to circumnavigate the globe.

“If Amelia Earhart had been serving drinks rather than flying the plane, she'd still be alive to this day.”

Amelia's Final Flight Details

42:00 to 44:15

Explore the challenges Amelia Earhart faced during her final flight.

“And so they've got to find this tiny island, Howland Island.”

The Aftermath of Amelia's Disappearance

44:15 to 46:26

Learn about the search efforts and theories surrounding Amelia's fate.

“Because they find some bones on this island.”

The Impacts of WWII on Aviation

46:26 to 47:55

Discuss how World War II transformed aviation and military strategies.

“No, you don't need basement superiority.”

The Evolution of Air Travel

48:26 to 55:16

Examine the transition from luxury air travel to budget airlines.

“Yeah, people just leave the house looking like absolute hogs nowadays.”
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1:02welcome back to fin versus history i'm here with a ratio called hi we're talking about planes planes airplane it's the history of flight open wide yes here comes the airplane when does that start do you reckon i don't know it must be who's the first person to come up with that that's pretty innovative it can't have been in the early 1900s no because it would have it would have been here comes the airplane just crash yeah we are where are we we left off in 1903 yes orville and wilbur flap dodger right had been uh avoiding muff like the plague no thank you i've got a plane to build i'm into cycling no thank you no thank put those away i don't want to hang out with my brother orville me and orville are busy we're going to the beach is it a nudist beach it's the opposite of that it's a windy beach where we're going to try and fly a plane um these boring cunts uh they've invented a plane that can fly rather than uh the previous um iterations where people just stuck feathers themselves and jumped off the eiffel tower uh and we now enter quite an interesting period in the planes development yes in the course of four years things go fucking ape shit well it's just this is a period where everything's got every year a million things are being invented right and this is i suppose this is because nowadays we think like things it's all going too fast you know my dad says it's all going too fast it's all going too fast yeah he's just staring at traffic shouting at cars slow down no it's more that if you think about when he was he was born in 1959 my dad so you know it was still like you'd have to go to the woods to see porn and now yeah wood porn wood porn forest porn and now you tell ai to make a deep fake of lorraine kelly yeah noshing you off for example just off the top of my head and it can you know like so his brain is just like how is in one lifetime how is that possible well this is a question that i thought the rest of history brought up and i is it really it is interesting yeah who brought that up tom holland or dominic sandbrook about ai yeah that's funny it's funny you should say that the exact same question but the rest of the history I think Dominic Sambrick pitched that more change happened between like 1850 and like 1950 then 1950 and now or whatever that period because we always think it's building faster yes but if you think about during the Victorian period going from unindustrialized to industrialized to plains if you think about that 100 year period basically from now to 1840 yeah or 1814 yeah that is probably a bigger jump than 1914 to 2014.

3:38It's hard to know. It's hard to get a sense of... Because it feels like everything's going faster, but if you'd never seen any sort of machines, suddenly trains, planes, fucking loads of stuff. Yeah, but okay. So in 1914, they don't really have telephones, do they? So then in 1914, they have a telephone that's like that. Yeah. But then 1914, you're like, that's a phone. And now I'm showing them on my phone a deep fake of Lorraine Kelly noshing them off, right? Then they'd be like, what, hang on, how is that still a phone? Okay, so the invention of the smartphone, what is it, is it still moving, is the last five years moving as quickly as five years moved here?

4:18I don't know. Because you've got AI, I guess. Yeah. And that's kind of crazy. That's going to change everything. Wow. But like films, it doesn't feel like they're growing as a faster rate anymore. That's because films are dead. Film's dead, man. Yeah. It's all AI. It's all deep fakes. It's all deep fakes. fucking who watches films anymore yeah i'm going to the imax to see 3d lorraine kelly nosh me off yeah it feels like culture's not moving as fast because culture's now just repeating itself a bit so it doesn't feel like culture is deepfake itv this morning that's what culture is culture's holly willoughby holly loose women deepfakes that's what the new culture is shout out gavin plum remember gavin plum i do remember gavin plum what's his history oh yeah flying yeah anyway i gavin plum sentencing has he got sentenced for life the laziest kidnapper in the fucking world.

5:04Sorry, fat cunt. He is a fat cunt. Oh, come on. Let's not be insulting Gavin Plum. Gavin Plum sat on his sofa. Allegedly. The controller got stuck between his arse cheeks. He couldn't change the channel. It was stuck on ITV1 and he thought, I'll just kidnap the fucking first woman I see on TV. In 15 years, he could have been doing that with a deep fake. So the technology is moving so far. It is true. My point is, in 1914, the airplane, Orville and Wilbur's boring, flap-dodging, minge-avoiding machine they've invented to get away from women, even further away from women, because as we discussed in the last episode, the sky is gay.

5:42Planes are insanely primitive in 1914. They are basically binoculars with wings. They are bi-planes. They're trans-planes. They're trans-planes. They're woke nonsense in the sky. And when World War I breaks out, they are initially just used for reconnaissance because that's all they are. And people are so unprepared for it. So when initially, when war breaks out, when German and allied planes were past each other, they'd wave because they're like, oh, hello. Yeah, we're not really. This is mad. They're all Francis bourgeois. Yeah, they are all Francis bourgeois. Then they realized that there was actually, this was another theater of war.

6:30as we've said many times the only theatre that I will set foot in yeah is a theatre of war a theatre of war so then they started carrying they started carrying bricks or just drop them no they throw them they try and throw them I like the other one yeah this is how slow they're moving is that they can like move past it so someone's driving and then you've got someone at the back with the brick guy yeah I'm the brick I'm the brick guy how many bricks can you bring up before it I guess just one I guess it's one shot one kill you've got one go I've got a brick and you're just trying to throw it I'd fuck it.

7:00One brick, the pressure on that, I'm not getting that. You'd hit the pilot and then you'd just... Yeah, I'd misthrow. It would just smack him on the back of my head. He would be knocked out. No. But in the four years of World War I, the planes develop insanely quickly. So planes, initially, there's the brick guy, then they bolt some cameras onto them to take reconnaissance photos. But obviously World War I is... People are just not really thinking, what could we possibly do? Yeah. What can we do to make these more lethal? Yeah. Cameras. Yeah, cameras. Let's take some upskirts. Yeah. Or it'd be the opposite.

7:37It'd be top, top. Downskirts. What's the opposite? It'd be downskirting. Yeah, that's not really a view. Downheading. Down bum. And they're looking through the trenches. It's like, there's no fucking birds in here at all. No. Why is it such a sausage fest? Yeah, they throw bricks at enemy planes. So air gypsies, kind of. It's air gypsies that's wearing burning tyres. I'd find you. I'd find you, runner. just shouting cool the red baron was famously uh a gypsy the fighter come over here tell me that the sunburned baron yeah so the fighter plane was invented in 1915 the fucker eindexter yep they do not mince their words the germans let's call it the fucker well they'll say something like that but with a completely still face that's not funny there's nothing silly about so meet meet the Fockers in uh in German is meet the fighter planes yeah um this was the main invention here was they realized because they started with getting machine guns on a plane but they would just shoot into the propeller and then the plane would crash right so again what's so funny is that the reason planes are planes develop so quickly is that they're iterating constantly because every time they get a new one they die and they crash and so they go well I might as well try to advance it a bit.

8:48So I guess with like the Dean fakes of Lorraine Kelly like the growth of that I guess there's a lot of trial and error with that because of the early days it doesn't look at all like Lorraine Kelly. You're just fucking make it fatter fatter fatter fatter more Scottish more Scottish just turning into fat bastard from Austin Powers. No I want fat fatter fatter fatter AI things used to get on TikTok where it's like I want to see the most an American family more American more American it's that more Scottish more Scottish anyway technology is all trial and error so the the Fokker Eindexter was the first sorry what they say is that the great driver of new technologies is pornography oh sorry but it kind of is yeah yeah it is that's what a lot that's like a take that a lot of people have it is yeah kind of like twilling their moustache actually porn drives technology so but I guess it this is before porn was because it it didn't drive plane technology did it no I guess not it's a better way no people weren't throwing jazz mags into the sky and then the Wright Brothers no you're right it was led by pornography well when does yeah so it's pornography it's the internet basically isn't it yeah although the printing press could you say I guess so well yeah we should do a history of pornography actually we definitely should yeah why don't we do that now get some porn up Charlie all this plane stuff is quite boring so the 1915 that's the first time they invented they invented a plane with a gun that could shoot through the propeller arc, the Fokker Eindecker, and suddenly a pilot could aim his plane and shoot.

10:20And this changes everything. But you had to be flying where you're shooting. Yes. Right. Yeah. Because now you get dog fights. Yeah. And I don't know why it's called a dog fight because dogs, dogs actually smell each other's arses. So you don't know why it's called a dog fight because dogs smell each other's arses. Yeah. Well, that's a dog. Hello, isn't it? Right. Yeah. Smelling your arse. So a dog fight, I don't know why it's called. It's in the sky. Dogs can't fly. Sounds kind of cool. Anyway, so now you get fighter pilots. So bear in mind that the war's been going for a little over a year and a half and planes have gone from being binoculars with throwing bricks at people to now a recognisable fighter pilot.

10:59So you get aces. The idea of a fighter ace. Because obviously the air battles of World War II were huge and dramatic and very important. The air battles of World War I, were they ever decisive? Yeah, gypsy skirmishes. I'll fight you! hello have that you fucking yeah um uh well no you have the there's no decisive sort of air battles well i guess it's trench warfare isn't it so the idea of air superiority it's like those guys are fucking around so well they haven't got to bombing yet so that's right it's just wasps yeah it is basically wasps in their own yeah yeah if you stay out of their way they won't piss you off i guess you could start um what's it called strafing the ground yeah does that start I would do that if I was a if I had machine guns on my plane I'd probably I'd probably going to strafe down but the thing is it's such a static war isn't it like pretty quickly the war's entrenched strafe up the trench I'd do a little trench strafe yep trench strafe get me in there but it becomes quickly about shooting down reconnaissance planes that's what it's all about so you get fighter aces like Oswald Oswald Bulke Oswald Bulke and then in 1917 the Red Baron um that's what i call my wife when she's on a period the red baron's here oh the red baron the red baron come for a visit um manfred von richthofen that's what i call my girlfriend when she's on a period yeah manfred von richthofen um and he uh this is when you get fighter squadrons the yastas who is the red baron i actually don't know anything really about him he's a rich gun who got good at flying and he was uh he had confirmed 80 kills by the end of the war and then he was shot down right at the end, 1918, by, I think, a Canadian.

12:41And then his body was... He had a red plane. So he was the head of the Flying Circus, which is a squadron of German planes that were brightly coloured. Right. Probably less fun than the sound. Yes, yeah. And they were like an elite sort of strike force. The Red Arrows, but lethal. I guess the thing I don't understand is that, like, what does air superiority mean where you don't have bombers. They've got all the bricks placed. They've got more space to drop bricks down. Yeah, so they can build stuff from the air, I guess. I mean, if you've invented... Does the bomb exist? Yes. Or is it just drop a...

13:19Well, yeah, I know, but people are thick back then. Yeah, it does seem like there's quite a few things I think I'll be able to do. When does aerial bombing start? It must start at the end of World War I. Because tanks come in at the end of World War I, don't they? They happen in 1917, 1918, right at the end. Oh, no, aerial bombing starts in 1914. 14. Well, there you go. I mean, Zeppelin. Zeppelin bombings, yeah. Well, this is what I was going to get into. We need to get into Zeppelin. The first use of aerial bombs was in Britain, when two high-explosive bombs landed near Dover's Admiralty Pier.

13:45Right. Zeppelin raids, yeah. So, this is what we're going to get into. So, the plane has a huge acceleration in development over the course of World War I. But, in the meantime, there is this other mad alternative to planes. Yeah. The airship. now in 1900 Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin he launches the first rigid airship right frigid as well frigid of course all these airplanes are frigid now airships are they're like big fucking balloons some of them have a frame some of them don't that's a not a rigid when you've got a job to do Lowe's knows how to help you keep it moving Milo's Pro Rewards members.

14:31Save more with member volume discounts on eligible orders through a quote of$2 ,000 or more. Plus, save time with job site delivery on select purchases. Not a member? Join for free today. Exclusions, more terms, and restrictions apply. Can't be combined with any other discount, including but not limited to contract and or special pricing. Loyalty programs subject to terms and conditions. Details at lowes.com slash terms. Subject to change. Brussels clean up nicely at sweet green maple glazed roasted and edges perfectly caramelized sweet greens fall harvest is back on the menu and the season's most overlooked little green vegetable is dressed to be devoured you know what to do order on the sweet green app long oval balloons with a sort of a little thing at the bottom and a propeller deck at the bottom yeah that's kind of a plane attached to a huge balloon.

15:24And in the start of the 20th century, Zeppelins developed rapidly. The Zeppelin company, it's the first ever airline, it's a German Zeppelin airline. People think that's going to be the future. Yeah, so the Wright brothers, when they're in France, or when whatever, whichever boring kind it is, boring kind number one. Orville. Orville. Hello, my name's Orville. I've invented the plane. For someone to, for someone to be the first man to fly, I reckon he probably couldn't, he couldn't have got less pussy. Yeah. you would have thought like an astronaut or someone yeah a bit of attention french women no thank you stay away the only flaps i'm interested in are these ones while orville's in france he meets uh zeppelin uh and there's like a frostiness to them because they're both basically trying to avoid pussy as quick as like yeah they should really ally and form the deadliest anti-pussy the union has ever been the triple alliance the triple alliance against holes against matt blowjobs anal and puss and the triple alliance that's what star that's what the star alliance is that's the axis of evil that's the axis of evil yeah flap dodgers so uh they meet in france and there's a frostiness because they're basically both at this point in the early 20th century there's like traveling circus they're trying to show off exhibition their flying machines to like crowds of little kids going wow one day i'll be out there you know that stuff so the zeppelin uh even though the thing the zeppelin is trying to corner is the luxury market right because uh titanic for the air essentially that right so because planes are all very well and good but they're small right you can fit one or two people in yeah at this time the idea of the passenger plane has not been conceived by the way charlie uh in between these two episodes says do you think we'll ever have like a plane that could fit one person and that's it yeah even though that was the first plane that we talked about last time yeah i can't actually but i can't picture it well yeah you're not a pilot the first one person if you can't fly the plane then it's not i mean i guess uh if he was like self-driving plane solo planes i guess that could be i'd like to be one of them well this is what's so funny is that there's a whole alternative history where um you know this is what how we travel well i mean yeah could you knock down the world trade centers with this zeppelin this is what i mean this is what i was going to come on to sorry this is the great i shouldn't step on your 911 this is a great link between my two passions is the hindenburg is the meeting point between hitler and 911 right the zeppelin is very accident prone it's constantly crashing right because what it is at this point is it's a big balloon filled with intensely flammable gas it's a giant bomb it's a giant bomb it's a giant flying bomb right so hydrogen uh is the only way so because helium hasn't there's not a lot of it yet and that's obviously it doesn't look fucking sick it looks fucking sick the british they start this zeppelin program uh and they have these two things called the r100 and the r101 great names great names great british names down the line romantic romantic just see out the over just get the uh get the names over the line and uh the r101 is this this mad cunt has this idea that he will uh fly a zeppelin there'll be like a big aviation conference in britain and he's really pushing zeppelins british dads there yeah yeah what's that made out of there's a lot of knocking a lot of knocking the planes um how can this one go 10 ,000, that doesn't seem enough to know.

19:00So he says, while this conference is happening, I'm going to fly this Zeppelin to India and back. While it's happening? While it's happening. How long is the conference? Like four days. Fine, fine. But he's like, this is how good this is. And he has this image of Zeppelins as being the way to travel the British Empire. And actually, when the Empire State Building was built, it was originally designed to have a Zeppelin landing pad at the top. Fucking hell. Right. So this is essentially, this is, you know, the main contender with planes for human air travel. So the R101, he takes off, at the aviation conference, takes off, off to India, gets over France, immediately crashes.

19:42Fucks it. Right. Because he's rushed the development to try and coincide with this. Nosedive sort of thing? Yeah. Or explosion? No, it's like, it keeps losing power, so it stalls and then it... I guess, yeah, a zeppelin crash, the plane gets fucked immediately. So the Britain, basically, this sees off any British idea of the Zeppelin. Right. They're like, it's stupid. Looks too stupid. Let's fuck it off. The Germans, however, they keep at it. And in spite of several Zeppelin crashes in the 1920s, they, in 1936, they start work on the mother of all Zeppelins. Muti Zeppelin! Muti! Muti! It's a giant tit in the sky.

20:22A giant tit in the sky. Muti! Yeah, I mean, it makes a lot of sense. All these guys, men in Lederhulsen, air mootie, air mootie. Sky mootie, big sky mootie, big tit in the sky. And I guess that's why, you know, the Americans and the Brits were doing like dicks. Farty. The Germans were doing mootie.

20:48So they build this huge thing, the biggest ever airship that ever existed. the Hindenburg the Zeppelin is built in 1936 that is after Hitler has come to power Hitler's in power it is before Hitler gave his dog Cyanide yeah yeah Blondie's alive Blondie's alive is Blondie alive? no Blondie isn't alive because Blondie was given as a gift but it wasn't a puppy she wasn't a puppy I don't think how old was Blondie I think it's tight but I don't think Blondie was alive I think Blondie may well have been alive 36 fuck so she was given as a puppy yeah fuck okay so it's before blondie's life blondie wasn't blondie never saw the hindenburg yeah um just as well anyway so blondie's uh blondie blondie blondie's not alive at this point um uh so hitler and stu and fenton that really hit me laugh hitler's in the park oh jesus christ blondie uh so um blondie's not alive yet uh pre-blondie um uh anyway the hindenburg is built and it is only just slightly shorter than the titanic that's how big it is massive it's like 250 meters long yeah uh it's the height of luxury but it is very similar to the titanic actually people don't need to make that link enough it's sort of like space race style building bigger and bigger ships but it's in the air it's luxury travel it's transatlantic it's actually very similar to the titanic so these are these are the colorized photos of the interior of the Hindenburg and the whole plan is is that obviously getting crossing the Atlantic takes five six days on ship oh look at that by airship that's on a fucking Zeppelin that's on a fucking Zeppelin so the idea is that the cabins are very very small and so you spend most of your time in the communal area so they have a big like viewing deck because in a plane you can't really see out right so the whole point is that it's like you can walk around that's the fucking cockpit look at that just a massive wall of glass in the sky it's silver service oh you can have a yeah if you're sitting down hilariously they have a smoking room bear in mind there is a the roof is made of hydrogen and they have a smoking room with which is a sealed door where it's just covered it's covered in asbestos i'm surprised that they haven't made one of these with the plane technology we have now apparently they're coming back what apparently we're about to usher in a new age of zeppelin travel zeppelin yeah blimps are coming back blimps are back baby well i mean more so i guess uh the qatari plane that they gave to trump right why is there not like a luxury giant plane that you can walk around in there's restaurant dining like you'd think there'd be like luxury alternatives to have like a built like a cruise ship but in the air i think that is sort of a sort of i mean you've got like first class and stuff like that but that's still like your own little compartment it's still pretty boxed in you don't have any sort of like communal viewing that there's not this like luxury travel group thing no i guess it's but this is what an airship is built for right so uh it's amazing like dining car small cabins but smoking room blah blah blah now in 90 it gets finished in 1936 yeah i think and uh it is named there's a big debate about how it's going to be named they end up naming it hindenburg after the guy who is president who's a really old yes yeah so hitler makes him president as like a nominal figure but apparently it was either they this very nearly got called the Hitler.

24:15Can you imagine? The Hitler. Morty Hitler! Heilig Hitler in the sky. Incredible. And it's got swastikas on the back of it. Now, you never think about that. That does look fucking evil. It looks fucking great, doesn't it? It looks fucking sick. Imagine getting a ticket to that. What, the Nazi Zephyr? The Nazi airships. Yeah, I'd love that. And funny enough, where's its first trip? Brazil. Oh, really? First trip to Brazil, man. That's where he first met a young Katinga. To where Hitler's off to. Hitler's going to Brazil in the airship. Because now in one of the Indiana Jones films, is it Lost Ark?

24:51No. Yeah, Lost Ark. The Nazi one. The Nazi one. The best one. He gets in an airship, I think. There's a whole scene in an airship in Indiana Jones. And he's punching people in there, I think. Anyway, so they bang some swastikas on the back of it. And initially it goes to Brazil via New Jersey. That's the route it does. In its first season, which is its only season, it does quite a few trips. Really? So there's quite a few? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It does like 400, maybe no, maybe it's like 40 ,000 miles or something. I wonder how many trips it does. How many people actually got the rare privilege of flying?

25:26So the tickets cost about the equivalent of 7 ,000 pounds for a round trip. So the Hindenburg does 62 flights, 10 round trips to the United States and a single round trip to Brazil. So if I got a gun and I just shot up, would the whole thing explode immediately? Yeah. You just have to puncture it. So what it is, it's got this rigid frame, which is made of this kind of like type of light metal. And it's got these bags of hydrogen and they painted the material with this anti-reflective, or it's anti-reflective material to reflect UV rays. Right. Because any like sunlight could just pop the whole thing.

26:04But if I literally just got a pistol and I got a good shot. Yeah, but if you did that in a Boeing 7.7. No, you wouldn't. if I shot a bone it would just it would hit it and there'd be a hole in it but it's not going to go I thought you were in the plane no from the ground oh right you hit a plane ting but if you hit one good aimed bullet at the balloon the whole thing doesn't have to be that that well aimed just anywhere on the massive fucking target in the sky bang so it's filled with hydrogen right and initially it's this huge symbol of Nazi power soft power so it starts these propaganda there's a referendum around the sedate in land or is the angelus i can't remember which one obviously the angelus is uh we're in favor of them i say we're the most pro-angelus pods in the in the world who else is on record as saying you won't hear rory stewart and mr campbell come out in favor of the angelus arguably it's not that relevant at the moment no we disagree disagree i think it's the pressing issue of our time this is the turning point.

27:04If he'd just stopped there. Yep. Schnitzel, Fritzel, Hitler and Schwarzenegger, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Austria and Germany are destined to be together. Yeah. And it's the one thing Hitler was right about. So anyway, I think it's the Sudetenland, maybe. He uses the Hindenburg to drop propaganda leaflets all over Germany about this referendum on whether the Sudetenland should be part of Germany. I think it gets about 98 % because everyone's in favour. It's a good policy. Everyone's in favour of it. anyway, the Hindenburg then starts its commercial life and what we need to get to is the tragedy that happens in New Jersey Erfield.

27:41I think it's called Lake, what's it called? Lakefield or something? Lakefield, New Jersey. Lakefield, New Jersey. It's above the fucking Lakehurst, New Jersey. It's in the Berlin Olympics. It's like there. Right. And it's there at Nuremberg rallies as well. Right. So it's this huge spectre. It's a big Nazi tit in the sky. Morty! It's a big Nazi tit. The big Nazi tit in the sky. Yeah. Which is the name of my first solo album. prog rock the big Nazi tit in the sky that's coming that's on the Patreon already my Roselo album anyway it's coming over on a fairly routine flight from Frankfurt or somewhere and it's landing in New Jersey it's gone on a little tour of New York to give people a it's pretty sick actually how low it can get and it's safe given people how quick is it so how many days is it so it takes like 50 hours to get from across the Atlantic so it's like two and a half days so it's trying to land in New Jersey and what it's doing there what's that that's water so it's releasing ballast so it's basically doing a big piss a cow pissing it's like a horse pissing over New Jersey so it's like the Germans are there being with a piss on my face yeah Morty piss on my face and so it's releasing that's ballast that's how it's kind of like like an anchor yeah basically so it's dropping water and then it's got I didn't realise this but to land it drops ropes and then a bunch of fuckers at the bottom have got to fucking and pull it down it's crazy right so it's struggling to land because of winds uh and uh now they don't they don't fully know what happened they think it's just a spark on board it might be the fact there's a storm in the air or the smoking but it just it just fucking goes up and bear in mind there's a crowd of um i think it's his first it's the first journey of like the new year or something it's been out of action for a bit so there's a crowd of onlookers and and newsreel and as you said earlier i mean nothing has ever been more on fire than this than this extraordinary is this is 1937 so the quality of the cameras the fire is so crisp yeah that it actually it goes through the black and white photography it's amazing it looks so yeah real like you can imagine exactly how it looks in color that's just how bright so the whole thing happens in about 10 seconds it kills 36 people what you don't realize is that 60 to 62 people survive like really more people survive than die oh because it just slowly lands and they just get out which is a big balloon isn't it just pop and then oh fuck it's so i mean it is just how crisp the fire looks and this is where someone is broadcasting on radio live and this guy says oh the humanity uh as it's going that's where that comes from really um and it's obviously a pr disaster for nazi germany although I would sort of say that maybe it's not the biggest PR disaster they'll have.

30:31No. I don't know who does their PR. Yeah, is it Mel Brown? Who does their PR? Who does the Nazis PR? Hitler's doing long reads in The Observer. Top 10 shows to sit at the Fringe. So this basically overnight, this image, this fucking insane image of the airship overnight ends the idea of the passenger airship. It's like Icarus. Very impressive. The Nazis flew too close to the sun. Their tit was too big in the sky. The age of the passenger airship ends pretty much overnight and the plane continues apace. Now, meanwhile... All the while. All the while, a little girl, a little probably lesbian... Yeah, come on.

31:23yeah, let's call her a lesbian. Amelia Earhart. This woman was not dodging flaps. She was nose diving straight. She was into all kinds of flaps. Aviation flaps, muff flaps, flapjacks. Yeah. Can you name another kind of flap? Cat flaps. Cat flaps. Yeah, pussy flaps, cat flaps. Funny to call her vagina a cat flap, isn't it? Amelia Earhart is a young girl. She's a tomboy. Nowadays, we'd call her a lesbian, I think. I think that's the thing. I think that's agreed. And she is obsessed with planes. She builds a roller coaster in her garden. Nosedive Dyke. Nosedive Dyke. One of history's great muff divers.

32:02She loves planes. And obviously she's a woman. So everyone just sort of laughs at her for liking planes. I think, from just listening to American podcasts, it seems like Amelia Earhart is on the history curriculum in American schools. Is she? It's like one of the few things people remember from school. In the same way that one of the few things you remember from school is like Henry VIII. Yeah. and Rise of the Nazis that's kind of all you get at school yeah this is one of those things so for American this is this this bit's probably going to be quite excruciating because we're going to we know very little about this and everyone knows a lot about this in America in America yeah well I know a bit a lot about the end the end's very funny yeah but the star she becomes she basically becomes the most famous woman in the world yeah I mean if you look at historic women she would be up there right with Malinche I think this is Sorrenton and Nightingale arguably this might be the first woman i think what there's no there's rumors that there were some before her but there's no uh there's no confirmed sightings of women before amelia erhart it's all like a bigfoot type thing yeah who knows i'm all the myth there's some hairy smelly rumors yeah it's more like a myth that you use to scare your children yes so the woman will come down if you don't if you don't be quiet um uh eat your dinner or the woman will get you uh so amelia erhart um do you think she got into aviation because she had air in her surname could could have done air heart she loves flying it's either that or open heart surgery yeah one or the other um amelia air heart likes uh likes flying and at some point she she starts she starts thrilling analysis from finna i did listen to a podcast about it i can't remember the start all i remember i think she does like flying i'll agree with that yeah um she loves it she can't get enough she fucking loves it loves it uh and uh well what's she famous when you've got a job to do lo's knows how to help you keep it moving milo's pro rewards members save more with member volume discounts on eligible orders through a quote of two thousand dollars or more plus save time with job site delivery on select purchases.

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34:50She's an air feminist. Terrifying. They're in the sky. They're coming for us. Lads, burrow down. Get in the bunkers. This is why men build sheds in the garden. It's because Amelia Earhart starts this new wave of air feminism. It's terrifying. It's women's rights from the sky. You know that Hitchcock film, The Birds? Yeah, yeah. that's what this is about yeah give us the vote oh my god do the washing up imagine terrifying women flying at you from all angles um so she becomes friends with eleanor roosevelt another mad uh extremist crackpot crackpot loony feminist sort of bin lardinesque figure if you like yep i'd say um they both end up in the same place her and bin Anyway, so she goes for dinner with the Roosevelts because they're extremists as well.

35:41There's basically a cave in Tora Bora. The White House has been infiltrated by extreme elements. It's been ideologically captured by air feminism. And at one point, she takes Eleanor Roosevelt and the president out for a little nighttime fly over. They're having dinner in the White House and they go, should we just get in the plane? They just fly around fucking Washington or something. It's crazy. It's irresponsible. The security service weren't told. Mad. But it's interesting. So she's obviously an amazing pilot, but... Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But it doesn't seem like the history of female flight, doesn't seem to be much of a history after that.

36:12No. Is there any other famous female pilots? I don't think so. There's not, yeah. This is where, I mean, Amelia Earhart signals the turn from pilot to air stewardess. This is where people realise, you know, what happens to her. They go, okay, we shouldn't really have these people in navigational positions. They should be serving drinks. If Amelia Earhart had been serving drinks rather than flying the plane, she'd still be alive to this day. So in 1928, that's her big breakthrough year, she becomes the first woman to fly across the Atlantic. She is a passenger. Passenger princess. She's a passenger princess.

36:55Crucially, she's not flying the plane, which is why it's successful. um she the plane so you would be saying do you want me to park it for you off when you watch her crash yeah i'm on a pacific island go oi oi oi oi do you want me to park it for you that's what i'm doing i'm on the pacific island of fucking yeah every time she lands you're you're patronizingly slow clapping aren't you yeah oh well done you you got a bit more room there do don't want to go a bit tired to the tired to the to the chocks she's leaving it like a foot from the chocks you know she's like she's got like loads of room but i mean a plane could fly just scrape aside you know what i mean anyway uh so she becomes a symbol of uh of like woke progressivism terrifying feminism yeah um blah blah blah she starts a flight club for girls um girls can fly to yeah you know all this stuff this is um it's not dated well it's a lesbian bar she then becomes the first woman to fly solo across the atlantic unchaperones so she's supposed to do solo content this was an illegal flight only fan solo videos yep in the air air only fans terrifying blah blah blah in the 30s um she forms a strong friendship as i've said with the fdrs uh this is the midnight joy rise in 33 um they go to baltimore and back crazy that's amazing um she becomes uh a sort of cover star oh so so she's sort of symbol of new deal progressive roosevelt uh social contract and then she marries a guy mainly for appearances i think and she says to him i'm not gonna take a beard what is what's a female beard called uh a female beard yeah what so when when a lesbian has a a bit a husband to pretend pretend not to be a lesbian what's the female version of a beard what do you mean a beard you know you know when a gay guy oh is that what you call a gay guy yeah yeah you know you know that charlie wouldn't you it's like my beard is a gay guy with a wife yeah that wife's his beard right anyway anyway so amelia airheart uh she yeah she has a husband for cover and that guy becomes her maybe her pr right and he books her like speaking tours so in the winter so she's wearing the trousers she's wearing trousers yeah you can't fly in skirts get caught in the flaps um the uh your flaps get caught in the flaps scissoring in the air terrifying um he books her because you can't flying at this point is only a summer sport you can't do it in bad weather so in the winter she does speaking tours where she uses flying as a kind of metaphor for women blah blah blah boring in the summer she does loads of flying stuff and she becomes the first woman to fly across the Atlantic solo blah blah blah she does loads of big flights I think the whole first person to do this model of history is boring so I don't really care about any of that really yeah yeah first person to do something great the first then like subdivision the first guy with the bmi over 30 who cares yeah her greatest attempt her greatest stunt um is in 1937 she decides that she's going to become the first uh person to circumnavigate the globe crazy ambitious stuff yeah uh crackpot crackpot theories uh her and her navigator fred noonan so she you know she gave herself the best chance by having a man there on the map yeah they decide they're going to navigate the globe they're going to do this over i think it's weeks months uh and they're landing and refueling at every point because that's right yeah and they um they get to australia they they set they set sail they set take off from darwin i think north of australia yeah testifying madness yeah so she goes she's going the other way around so she goes from uh Hawaii initially.

40:42Hawaii. Is that right? Is she going around twice? It's pronounced Hawaii. Why is she going around that way? That doesn't make any sense. It's all upside down, lad. Women are from Venus, men are from Mars. That's the final flight. So she goes, oh, she sets off in California and goes to Hawaii and then... Is that the plan? Zoom in. Zoom in. Yeah, they do stop petrol. Is that how far she made it? Those are all the dots. Yeah, she went all the way around. That's amazing. That's what's so funny. She made it nearly all the whole... Yeah. Okay, so she starts off in Hawaii, I think. well she starts off in indonesia or papua new guinea no no she starts off up there oh right oh right right so she goes all the way around india she gets dysentery in india obviously delhi belly all that blah blah blah um gets through bali now um her final stop oh so darwin she goes to papua new guinea and then then this the final leg of their flight is the most challenging because they've they have picked this island called i think it's howland island is that what it says on there I mean this is crazy yeah Howland Island Howland Island say some of the places that she's been so okay so she starts she goes Puerto Rico she sees Nelly Furtado I'm like a bird me too she goes to Natalia and Brazil she goes through Senegal Mali she stops in Chad she stops in Sudan why are you here she stops in Pakistan India Thailand Singapore Indonesia Australia and then lands on Papua New Guinea so she's near the end of her trip she's right near the end so she's got two more legs to go she's got she needs to do one stop in between Papua New Guinea and the west coast of America crazy and LA right but in between Papua New Guinea and America is the Pacific Ocean which is fucking huge there's no yeah so she has got to land she's got to find bear in mind there's no GPS or anything yeah there's no radar there's a lot of licking your finger there's a lot of doing that out the window right and somebody's got some poor cunt with a big map yeah and the map is just blue with like a little bit of green.

42:38And so they've got to find this tiny island, Howland Island. I could have sworn it was here. We should have turned left at the... Yeah. An Antarctica. So they've got fuel for 24 hours and the flight from... It did not have a toilet. I guess you do it in a bucket and you chuck it out the window. Lesbians, man. So when they set off from Papua New Guinea, they've got fuel that will last 24 hours and the journey is 20 hours. Right. So they've got four hours of spare change so no dawdling no look fucking look at that yeah right that is the if you're if you're listening then turn on for a second and watch this they've got to get to there that's their target so it's a needle in a haystack fucking hell it's fucking reckless if you ask me if you ask me right they've got to land that and then they've got one more leg to get to hawaii and then right right right right so they've there's now there's a naval um aircraft carry or something nearby that's meant to be helping and uh they set off and they're getting you know they play live spy and every answer is the sea because that's all there is yeah uh and then they start to realize that they may have overshot or undershot or fucked it yeah and they start radioing the um naval destroyer they're like uh well we're here so i don't know where the fuck you are uh but they're not hearing the naval destroyer they're not hearing the uh navy guys so um because i guess the radios aren't that good well how do you stay they can hear emilia but emilia can't hear them can't hear right yeah she's not born yet she's she's interviewed chicken up in the sky this starts a huge four million dollar which public money is like a lot it's a lot of dollars that then because the president's her mate obviously right right right for me it means corrupt the whole thing's corrupt it stinks drain the swamp a four million dollar of public money search for amelia airheart begins the largest in peacetime history at the time but uh i mean it's absolute waste of money i think maybe three weeks later they end the search and fdr signs a legal declaration of her death in 1939 which means that george putnam her husband gets all the money oh fair enough I think that's fair fair's fair now there's several fun theories about her about her death or well disappearance so what probably happened is that she just you know she couldn't read a map so she just fucked it last radio signals are in the place in the vicinity of Howland but nowhere near so no no wreckage is found and obviously it's just ocean for miles yeah one theory is that she lands on an island called like like Nikimoto or something.

45:21Right. And she survives as long as she could. Yeah. But dies on the island. Oh, right. Dies on the island. Because they find some bones on this island. And then maybe there's some DNA testing and they find out that it's someone that's the same height as her. I mean, she could have crashed, ran into cannibals on like an island. Yeah. You know, that's a good film. There's a theory that she lands on the Marshall Islands with Japanese control and then the Japanese capture her. And because obviously it's a time of escalating tensions. there's another theory that maybe she was a spy the whole time I think this is probably what was going on yeah I think she's batting for the other team well she's obviously batting for the other team but depends which team that is a lesbian is still a woman and therefore is less capable of navigation right yeah she disappears the great aviatrix right and this is why we don't really have any women pilots anymore yeah fair enough fool me once shame on me but for me twice and i would like a full refund so media um signals the end of uh women in aviation it's a it's a fun experiment that has a grisly end um and do you know what let's just stick them in makeup and they can serve the drinks the great experiment the great experiment of female aviation ends in tragedy yeah and now they're uh anyway world war ii it causes another huge um huge boom in jet they invent the jet in world war ii yeah um game changer game changer again again another six years of war hugely advances aviation planes and then in the aftermath power becomes the definitive thing in modern war right yes kind of takes out the navy as uh uh yes the banned jet aren't formed at this point right because now if you think about the battles that are going on now it's air superiority is like yes that's kind of it the main thing yeah yeah Yeah, basement superiority is not a...

47:10No, you don't need basement superiority. I've got basement superiority. So, World War II ends tragically in Hitler's death. We know this. It's a sad story. Male mental health. Just talk about it, lads. Talk to your friends, Adolf. You never know what people are going through. You know, he killed his dog. Tragedy. When you've got a job to do, Lowe's knows how to help you keep it moving. Milo's Pro Rewards members save more with member volume discounts on eligible orders through a quote of$2 ,000 or more. Plus, save time with job site delivery on select purchases. Not a member? Join for free today.

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48:22Make your move. Order on the Sweetgreen app. Minute silence for Blondie. Blondie! Blondie! there's now suddenly there's a whole massive industry around aviation now the war's ended and so the commercial jet era begins in the 1950s Pan Am that sort of stuff Pan Am first airline yeah and you'd still wear a suit to go on a plane well I mean you'd wear a suit out anyway so it doesn't really mean anything I do miss this the jet set I miss so the jet set yeah the standard of what people look like on a plane is a fucking disgrace. Yeah, people just leave the house looking like absolute hogs nowadays.

49:04I do miss... I mean, if I'm doing a long-haul flight, I will wear trackies on the plane. Long-haul is smart casual. What's that then? Chinos, slacks, sports jacket. You can undo your top button. Long-haul. After the first stop. Yeah, fine. Yeah, because you're loosening up a bit. Yeah, it's been 12 hours. are you a raw flight raw dogger sorry do you raw dog flights uh i have done yeah i've done i mean just staring at the map yeah it's just sort of peace and quiet isn't it yeah there's something nice i do i do like long-haul flights because there's something exciting about i like being productive while doing nothing yeah it's probably why i like a sauna as well it makes you feel like you're not not doing if it makes you feel like you're not doing nothing i'm getting hot yeah that's something that's something yeah so it means you can actually relax because you're not doing nothing yeah no but the jet set era starts in the sort of 50s and 60s and this is where i think it's vogue write this article about this new class of people who are flying they spend yeah they spend uh summers in capri right new york tokyo the world suddenly shrinks in the 60s is this where they start having clocks yeah behind because suddenly you can get anywhere in a day right so global tourism begins really the travel industry starts in effect here um people are still smoking on planes yeah you know there's something to it there's something to it and i just now i want to just end by comparing the the the mid-century class of the jet set yeah with the fucking shit show it is now whiz air yeah six in the morning from lute and airport you've had a couple of pints at spoons god it's grim well basically you just don't like the fact that a flight is now accessible it's so cheap it's too cheap it should be more anyone can fly yeah and you think it should be an elitist thing i think this is where me and extinction rebellion are meat this is the horseshoe poor people shouldn't be allowed to travel yes yeah yeah now this is this is two weeks ago this is absolute animals and then you compare this compare this to like an infomercial from the 50s about like the jet set pilot smoking a cigar classy safe yeah oh look at that fucking fish platter on the plane oh my god look at the legroom they've got full tables and then yeah in the in the late 70s 80s this is where airlines start to if we get more people on we can make it cheaper if we squash them in like sardines then we can make more money yeah it becomes it becomes less about lifestyle and luxury and more about profit for airline companies.

51:48So Ryanair, the CEO of Ryanair, his whole obsession is trying to make flights as cheap as possible. Yeah. His whole goal is to how can you get prices down. He's a Marxist extremist. Yes. You know, he keeps on trying to get this and he thinks it's going to happen one day. He's standing on planes. Would you buckle people in? I think you just hold on to a... What's this? Oh, this is like Thorpe Park or something. How Ryanair planned... i guess it's not yeah it doesn't i think that is the problem flying is quite undignifying so it's absolutely degrading the concorde uh comes up in the 70s uh but then that's a crash in in paris i think or something like that no that's not why i think it's just so the concorde is luxury travel again you can get to and i wish they'd brought the concorde back yeah but it can get you to new york i think it was three hours it's like it's twice the speed three hours yeah but the reason they it was too expensive to run it wasn't profitable basically I thought it was similar to no Hindenburg but I guess the people keeping luxury travel going are the Middle East anyway guys join the patrons we can start flying with double beds should we do we could do reviews of airlines we could do first class reviews from airlines would you like to see that guys would you like to see that would you like to would you like us to live out your ambitions we should be on the first if there's a new Zeppelin trial, we should be on it.

53:14I think so. I think I'm pro Zeppelin. Yeah. Yeah, I think Zeppelin should come back. Yeah. Being able to wonder about. Shove us fostering in the end as well. Yeah. While you're at it. That brings us to the end of the series. Tantalizingly short of 9-11. Yeah. But as we keep saying, that will be... Hit the runway. We've hit the runway. And we've fucked... Yeah. It's one of the early 9-11s where we just didn't take off. Anyway. We've Amelia air crashed our way. Amelia air crashed. and again the link the missing link I must say between Hitler and 9-11 is that if the Hindenburg hadn't exploded and there was a theory that Hitler caused it to explode because he was angry that it hadn't been caused Hitler that's a stupid theory but if it hadn't exploded so if Hitler hadn't exploded it it could still be with us today airships could have been the main thing rather than planes and if airships had flown into the Twin Towers, they would have exploded.

54:16The Twin Towers wouldn't. Because they would have just popped. Do you think if maybe there had been no innovation in flight apart from the Mongolfier brothers, the Mongafier hot air balloon brothers, if there'd been no innovation, do you still think that Al-Qaeda would have flown a hot air balloon into the World Trade Center? Yes, and it would have been very funny. Wicker basket. it would have been like this never forget it would have been like this dink yeah that's the impact but I guess it would probably show up the truth that George Bush did 9-11 and he'd put explosives in the hot air balloon yeah I guess it would be harder for George Bush to do the cover up oh I see right because what would have happened is a hot air balloon would have very slowly just scratched the outside and then it would have just yeah that would have been very funny anyway ladies and gentlemen thank you for staying with us for this two-hour special on the history of flight.

55:13We've been the Wright brothers, Orville and... Orville and Wilbur. Stay safe out there. There are still the occasional... Female pilot. Female pilot. Yeah. Just check with your airline before you book a ticket. What gender is the pilot, please? It's like an Uber's. Don't speak to me. You can take that. No female police. No female pilot. Anyway, stay safe out there. And we'll see you next week for the start of a brand new topic. Goodbye.

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