In short
The episode (Finn vs. History part 10) covers the transition from Harold Wilson to James Callaghan, focusing on Callaghan’s premiership (1976–1979) and the events leading to Margaret Thatcher’s victory. It argues Callaghan’s greatest political error was delaying a general election, which allowed the “Winter of Discontent” to define Labour’s final months.
Guests
The episode features two recurring hosts (Finn and Charlie). No external guest is clearly identified in the transcript.
Guest backgrounds
Not specified; both are described only as the podcast’s regular hosts.
Key claims
Callaghan is often unfairly labeled “worst PM,” but the episode says his experience was exceptional. It claims his delay in calling an election after economic improvement in 1978 was decisive. It portrays the Winter of Discontent as the country’s collapse, worsened by strikes and cold weather.
Notable examples
IMF loan of about £4 billion that was later repaid; Lib–Lab pact with the SNP; zebra crossings credited to Callaghan; Winter of Discontent strikes (bin men, NHS, teachers, train drivers); Liverpool grave digger backlog and a warehouse storing corpses.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOHarold Wilson and Jim Callaghan's Era
0:03 to 0:31
A discussion about Harold Wilson's resignation and the transition to Jim Callaghan as Prime Minister.
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Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan's Era
2:04 to 4:48
A discussion about Harold Wilson's resignation and the transition to Jim Callaghan as Prime Minister.
“Because I mean, 74 is what sealed the fate that Thatcher's coming in, right?”
The Uniqueness of Jim Callaghan
4:48 to 8:04
Exploration of Jim Callaghan's experiences and his tenure as Prime Minister.
“I never said it was when it was pioneered.”
The State of Britain in 1976
8:04 to 12:54
A vivid portrayal of Britain's socio-economic climate in the 1970s.
“Portsmouth, of course, is close to Spinnaker Tower.”
Cultural Reflections and Humor
12:54 to 14:00
The hosts use humor to discuss the cultural phenomena and struggles of the 1970s.
Cultural Reflections of the 70s
14:00 to 16:42
Discussing the artistic landscape of the 1970s amidst economic troubles.
“Because there's a darkness, but also mainstream cinema, most people were going out to the cinema to watch some of the greatest films of all time.”
Cultural Reflections of the 70s
16:45 to 17:43
Discussing the artistic landscape of the 1970s amidst economic troubles.
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Jim Callaghan's Political Landscape
18:08 to 23:20
Exploring Jim Callaghan's role as a Prime Minister and his cabinet.
“He's got that very 70s thing where you have...”
Economic Challenges and Reactions
23:20 to 28:00
Analyzing the economic conditions and Callaghan's leadership during crises.
“Now, are zebra crossings used in any other country?”
The Weakness of Leadership
28:00 to 28:30
Exploration of the perceived weaknesses in UK leadership during a turbulent time.
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Callaghan's Economic Struggles
28:30 to 30:22
Discussion of Jim Callaghan's economic challenges and the IMF loan situation.
“So he asked for 4 billion pounds because the country's in such a fucking state.”
Humor and Politics: The Lib Lab Love Pact
30:22 to 31:00
Humorous take on the political landscape and the Lib Lab Pact.
“The Lib Lab Love Pact, which is obviously live, laugh, love for deaf people.”
Humor and Politics: The Lib Lab Love Pact
31:03 to 32:19
Humorous take on the political landscape and the Lib Lab Pact.
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Callaghan’s Missed Election Opportunity
32:23 to 34:25
Analysis of Callaghan's decision to not call an early election and its consequences.
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Thatcher’s Rise and the Misogyny in Politics
34:25 to 36:36
Discussion on Thatcher's opposition to Callaghan and the misogynistic undertones in their exchanges.
“Well, everyone would be like, makes sense.”
The Winter of Discontent
36:36 to 38:43
Examination of the social unrest and strikes during the Winter of Discontent.
“You know, and the one sitting next to them is just another two white guys.”
Grave Concerns: The Strike of Gravediggers
38:43 to 42:00
A darkly humorous look at the chaos surrounding the gravediggers' strike and its implications.
“I cannot fathom my nursery going on strike.”
Death and Burial Preferences
42:00 to 44:25
A humorous discussion on burial and cremation choices among friends.
“Where's the national mourning going to be at my gravestone?”
The Winter of Discontent
44:25 to 46:28
Exploration of the major strikes in Britain during the Winter of Discontent.
“is the longest and most comprehensive strike since the 20s.”
Callaghan's Leadership Crisis
46:28 to 48:26
Analysis of Callaghan's leadership and his handling of the crises in Britain.
“That's the bone that Thatcher latches onto.”
Final Rankings of Prime Ministers
48:26 to 51:52
The hosts rank British Prime Ministers based on their performance.
“because of the country's so fucked and the winter of discontent.”
Transcript
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1:36Welcome back to Finn vs. History. This is part 10. This is it. We've done it. If you've made it this far, what the fuck is wrong with you? What the fuck is wrong with you? If you're still with us, you've got nothing on in your life. This is in the fucking toilet. This podcast is in a fucking state of emergency. Podcast in the toilet. Country's in the toilet. Look, this is the final part of our podcasting ultramarathon. post-war British Prime Ministers 1945 to 1979 the long road to Thatcher Mummy Mummy wake us up would you You've shat yourself at nursery and now your mummy's come to pick you up early That's where we're at We're two toddlers with shit in our pants To recap, Harold Wilson's second term he is being Grandad got pegged Don't peg your grandad Leave grandad alone he just wants to enjoy his Werther's Originals in peace but he's been the great Marcia Williams is riding around down the street like a fucking pony and he resigns in 1976 having not sold anything nothing's been sold to be fair no one's sold anything for maybe 10 years at this point no one has had any good ideas no and so in comes James Callaghan Jim Callaghan who I think unfairly is often called the worst prime minister we've ever had.
2:58Yeah. Because I mean, 74 is what sealed the fate that Thatcher's coming in, right? Yeah. But 79, he actually did all right, considering. 74 is where it actually properly went wrong. 74 to 76, yeah. That was kind of when it properly got fucked. But he was kind of managing it all right, considering. It just took a while for Thatcher to come in. Yeah, but also I think his big error, as we'll get to, is when he calls the election. that's what fucks it so he comes to power in 1976 so he's the most experienced man for the job basically he's maybe the most experienced man to ever get into prime minister he's the only person to have ever held all four ministers of state but admittedly he did get fired from one from all of them yeah so he was at what i think he was like foreign secretary and he did a bad job and then he got moved to home secretary so like a sort of catholic uh priest who's going around the parishes Yeah, who's been moved around.
3:48Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't say, you know, he's the best priest in the country because he's been to so many different parishes. No, you wouldn't. No, he's got different... Who's going to get caught as a paedophile on each of them. Different paedos and different area codes. To be fair, if you're about to get caught as the Home Secretary for a paedo and you move to Foreign Secretary and everyone forgets that you're a paedo, that's pretty good. He's not a paedo, he's Foreign Secretary. Where is he? Where's the Home Secretary gone? Home Secretary was a paedo, wasn't he? The best place to hide if you're a Home Secretary on the run is Foreign Secretary.
4:13Foreign Secretary is the best job, they say. The four great offices of state for people who aren't British. If you've still listened to us and you're not British, fair fucks. Good on you. Good on you. Foreign Secretary, Home Secretary, Chancellor, and then Prime Minister. Yeah. Four great offices of state. So it's money, it's domestic affairs, it's foreign affairs, and then the big job. James Callaghan, 1976, he comes to power. Now, we should place this for the thickos, these listeners who are very, very ugly, thick, smelly. I feel like one of them yeah yeah yeah we are slowly more we are slowly becoming one 1976 1976 this is should we place this we should place this shouldn't we 1976 this is after Brazil's great World Cup winning team of 1970 and it's it's before the Brazilian butt lift when was the Brazilian butt lift got to be later than 76 got to be developed in the 1960s Oh, fucking hell.
5:13Hang on, hang on. Popularity surged in the 2010s. Yeah, but that's popularity. So it was before. I never said it was when it was pioneered. I said it was before the age of the BBL. Fine, fine. It's before the age of the BBL. Kanye gave his mum a BBL and she died. Are you joking? That's how Kanye's mum died. Kanye's mum died because of his side. Because he paid for a BBL. He didn't do it himself. No. It wasn't a backstreet BBL. No, no. He said, Merry Christmas, mum. Don't get your ass sorted out, would you? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. We were talking. I think this may be the unhealthiest anyone's ever been.
5:42It's the 70s in Britain. I recently watched that, you know, The Apprentice, that film about Trump. Yes. And he's very funny on exercise because he basically was like, I want to stay trim without exercising. Yes, as we all do. So it's just like, as soon as he heard about liposuction, when he'd just come in, he was like, yeah, brilliant. Just suck it out. Has Trump had lipo? I think so, yeah. It's not fucking worse. I know, but he doesn't exercise. Because he has a view about exercise. He genuinely believes that humans are like a battery. Yes. And the more exercise, you have a finite amount of energy.
6:12Right. And by exercising, you are running that energy down. So you have less energy to... So he thinks that exercise will make you more tired. He thinks basically you've got only a certain amount of energy. Right. So if you go for like on a treadmill, you're wasting valuable energy. That you could be doing what? Grabbing pussies. Okay. So at the start of this series... Fuck. Sorry. It's been a big... I was a tired... It's been a big 10 episodes, but again... I was a tired 70s burp. I'm trying to give the listeners, the viewers, a vivid taste. What did it smell like? What did it sound like? For episode 10, we have opened the whiskey.
6:47But, you know, no other podcast is doing this. No other podcast is doing this. No other podcast is, in the face of all knowledge and demands, resolutely doing a month-long series on a period of British decline. We started this series. Normally a comedy podcast. Supposedly. but when you see the episode titled james callaghan you do question how funny can this be we started this series and britain had bombay we're ending it and all they've got is bombay mix that is essentially what britain has gone through is it's their empire has become pub snacks that's all we have now we're all we're left with is trail mix yeah it's curry spice trail mix yeah we are all throughout this all we've been trying to explain how does britain get into such a state that it elects a woman as prime minister that's what this series is about yeah 10 episodes you know relentlessly definitively proving that we got ourselves into such a state that we need a woman to clean it up yeah so james canahan the last male prime minister for some time the last war the last war veteran prime minister yeah so kind of actually the end of this era this is the end of the era and as i've said last episode yeah i think it makes a huge difference that he no one who fought in the war actually has the stones to end the consensus it takes a young a young mummy yeah uh he's quite an unusual prime minister certainly i mean i guess wilson started the sort of working class prime ministers but he's very working class grew up in portsmouth uh he also didn't go to university yeah portsmouth's got to be one of the thickest places in the country we're talking about the portsmouth wedge the wedgewood rooms is a great venue but the crowds are thick as lamb mints, which in my head is the thickest mints.
8:35Portsmouth, of course, is close to Spinnaker Tower. That's their World Trade Centre, as it were. Near Southampton, which, as we know from the Titanic series, has the highest proportion of paedophiles in the UK at time of record. So Portsmouth has got to be getting some spillover from that. Have you ever toured Portsmouth? I haven't done toured Portsmouth. Have you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of my favourite shows. but you know you often have the best shows in the worst places because they're so grateful for the slop that you're giving them you know if you don't throw slop at pigs for three days on the fourth day you'll never have had such happy piggies you ever been to Portsmouth Charlie?
9:11yeah my first love is from Portsmouth your first love? Christ what was his name? she left me under the Spinnaker Tower oh wow she left you under the Spinnaker Tower? that's where she ended it yeah you got heartbroken under the Spinnaker Tower? yeah why did she end it? she just had enough I guess and we were sort of fighting. We're good friends now. We're good friends now. How old were you? I was 22 and I, yeah, I've never loved anyone since. Wow. Really? Yeah, she's amazing. She's still, I still love her a lot, but the pain's gone. Right, so you can Google search Spinnaker Tower and you don't feel sad.
9:41I mean, I don't love it. I'd rather go to like, you know. Can't think of anything. Yeah, but she's amazing. She's from Turkey. She's from Turkey? Yeah. Yes, please. No, thank you, my friend. No, thank you. or more like no thank you my friend did you get down on one knee and she went no thank you my friend no thank you you are my friend now you are no thank you please please you are now my friend my friend zone my friend zone yes please my friend zone so right as ever this series let's see where the countries are where are we at house prices are rocketing to 12 000 pounds in today's money that's 96 000 that's a big jump it's probably the biggest jump that is frozen convenience foods are the most rapidly growing sector.
10:28Iceland. This is where... Birdseye. Yeah, this is scum Valhalla. I like how you skirted around that one. Most people, they sort of insinuate some sort of classism. But you call frozen food scum Valhalla. Most people are like, he shops at Iceland. You're like, Iceland is scum Valhalla. These people, this is where they come in. These rats are scurrying along the frozen food aisle, filling their trolleys full of awful cardboard food. Do you know what? Apparently, our view, our classist view of frozen foods is a mistake. In France, frozen foods are much more popular because it's actually worse having the chilled foods.
11:11Yes, because everything stinks. Everything stinks. You can have really high quality stuff frozen. It's just we view it as caricatona, bird's eye stuff. when it's actually in France and in Europe, it's way bigger. And we view the chilled stuff as higher quality, but it has to have more chemicals and preservatives in because it's chilled. What, over there it does? No, here. So the fact that we view chilled foods, so like, you know, we have like a chilled ready meal or anything like that, as higher quality than a frozen thing because of Kerry Katona and the bird's eye ads. Yes. You actually have to put more bad shit in it.
11:42It's not just the ads though. It's the people you see in the frozen food aisle. Yeah. What are they like? Huh? Like what? Pond life. i'm always like i wonder he's gonna try and dance around that no he runs down the wicket
11:56tell us what you really think thin um anyway this is when the pond life really start to kick off britain in 1976 the christmas number one is when a child is born johnny i don't know you know all of these elton john the world yeah i'm from the 70s the spy who loved me we're still in the era of gay bond yeah bond's gone gay spy love me it's a great film what what a theme what theme the eagle has landed fucking slaps taxi driver maybe the definitive 70s film american cinema is is project is kind of mirroring what the brits are feeling definitely i mean this is to be honest what we have time to be in new york what we left out actually is that america's in its most fucked period as well yeah because like you know the 20s in america was a boom but the 20s was fucked here huge unemployment etc etc a lot of time we don't mirror the americans certainly the 50s we didn't um but 70s both america and britain together are completely fucked what the slang for this is lemons
12:58what are van drivers shouting at women in the 70s oi show us your lemons love do you know why that is it's because the amount of frozen food means there's no fresh fruit everyone's getting scurvy people are deprived of vitamin c so like an oasis in the desert you see a pair of chandeliers you think are those fucking lemons i could throw those lemons oh i could i could squeeze them all over it's apparently if i just suck on a lemon i won't get scurvy can i suck on your lemons please um also called dibs dairies yeah i like dairies that's one of my favorites so far look at the dairies on that look at the dairies on that fairy bubs bubs is too cute fairies hate dairies fairies if it if it hates if it's too cutesy baby talk i'm getting off the train right puppies bubs no dibs you want to you want to sean die shit right yeah root one lemons look at those lemons so actually in the last episode they were just called titties yeah and now things have got so bad that it's that's food it's food it's food it's cost of living stuff yeah tits have become an essential cost of living what's this so Charlie started googling futuristic boobards chesticles 3000 data orbs silicone nebula quantum globes holodomes and this is the cyberpunk grit mech mounds circuit cushions heat sinks augmentaries astro jellies plasma pillows orbit buns andro mammaries you can't be using mammaries no i think mammary takes any of the sexiness out because again end of the 70s you know this is the this is when porn starts yeah linda lovelace yes this is what year was lovelace the 70s i think it's mid-70s yeah this is what i find interesting about the 70s is yeah the economy in both america and britain is fucked but culturally i mean my favorite films of all time are from the 70s It's because there's a darkness to it.
14:59Because there's a darkness, but also mainstream cinema, most people were going out to the cinema to watch some of the greatest films of all time. Yeah. You know, now what's selling the best is fucking Marvel films. But back then you had Apocalypse Now, The Godfather, Taxi Driver. I recently watched Sorcerer by William Freak, one of the best films I've ever seen. And that bombed in the 70s because there's so much other good shit. But also people would watch like an evening of film. They'd go and watch like three films with intermissions. But also, I also think people were so lost that they went to cinema to kind of try and work things out through art.
15:33Right. And I think in a way that's kind of changed. Yes. Because the 70s cinema compared to maybe the 80s cinema, because of Vietnam, because of the paranoia, because of the kind of self-hatred, it meant that the characters were all anti-heroes and it was confusing. And yeah, I just think it's the best stuff. And it's funny that that's happening literally as everything falls apart. But that doesn't always happen because now it feels like things are falling apart. and art's getting shitter. And the film's bad. Yeah. So we went from chandeliers, we're now at Lemons. Yeah. Britain's in 1976. Instant noodles.
16:05Yeah, Linda Lovelace starts in 1972. The tikka masala, the great British invention. Finally, we're at chicken tikka masala. Yeah. Frozen meals. Fittest woman. Barbara Bach. Bach. Barbara Bach. Oh, yeah. She's inspired by Who Loved Me. Gorgeous. Oh, my God. She's stunning. Is she English? I don't think she's English. I bloody hope so. I don't think she's English. She's too attractive to being English. she's American yeah makes sense I knew it I knew it we don't have any fit women at this point we don't fit as British women it's not till Princess Di that the first fit British woman yeah she's she's the light at the end of the tunnel sorry to use that sorry to use that expression this episode is brought to you by PayPal you know how a mom's bag has everything sunscreen snacks a stapler the new PayPal app is like that, but for your money.
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18:18You know that lank yellow white hair? that's greasy. My teachers at school had it. He's got that. Music teacher paedophile. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Music teacher paedophile. This is Wurzel Gummidge. That's Wurzel Gummidge. Yeah. Dennis Healy, who ends up... These are all big beasts. Yeah, Healy's a big commie almost. Yeah, he was a commie. He's like hardcore socialist. He's got big eyebrows, Healy. He goes on to... He does the split. Yes, yes. He splits from foot. The heel splits from the foot. The heel splits. Yeah, lovely stuff. Yeah, it's good stuff. It was poetry. And there's Johnny Toes as well.
18:49the whole cabinet is just different parts of the fucking foot so Callaghan as we said born in Portsmouth he doesn't go to uni he's thick he's one of three prime ministers to not have a degree can we find out who the other two are? John Major wow Major didn't have a degree yeah it's fascinating that John in the war he served in the navy assigned to the Japanese section so yeah did he fight in the Pacific theatre I guess not many Brits did actually so um he's mp for cardiff he's sort of on the left of the party uh he's a sort of cnd kind of vibe but then he starts to get slight he's sort of the least hated of of the of the options available because he's pragmatist well he's just he's not really attached to any side of the party by the time he gets to the 70s yeah and he's got so factionalized it has become so factionalized and it will completely shatter i mean tony ben is the one everyone thinks that the revolution that's coming in the 80s will be ben's revolution right everyone thinks it'll be the ultimate work nonsense revolution right right because ben is writing uh articles about how he's gonna nationalize like baby food yeah yeah with women's own he's gonna nationalize women's own magazine yeah um gonna take everything everything's gonna be run by the government yeah uh so everyone thinks it's gonna be government uh introduced porn government porn yeah christ imagine it'd be like well kia starman we're heading that way starman's gonna be like if anyone's gonna be in the porn film it's gonna have to be me because that's nationalization kia starman's like the only way we need to take this back into national control yeah but do you have to be in it yes it's the only way it's the only way the safest thing to do is for me i can't trust that it's ethical pornography unless i'm the star of it you have to know that it's ethical and i can only know it's funny and me are going to make a movie uh video would be bunny red wouldn't it wouldn't be bunny red have i got news for you it's not started yet i'm still here by the way Ian, Paul I'm still here I'm still here You'd love to go back on these days I'd dress like this I'd go on I'd be like what the fuck because Have I Got News For You watching it feels like we visually represented this and yet they're not they're trying to deny it that they're not completely fucked like they look like this but they're still like The empire has fallen Yeah Have I Got News For You has crumbled Yeah they're in denial but we do give it a lot of shit I do want to shout I have a news for you Really?
21:10Yeah that's because you've not been on it yet. I've not been on it. Fucking shit, you shark. It was my first experience of comedy was up watching How About Those View. What a snake. Snake. What for saying that? You want to get on the market for you? It's dead. It's fucked. It can't be on. I'd go on for nostalgia. It was the first time I wanted to be a comedian was watching a rye quip. A rye quip. You want to make a rye aside and be on the run at 9pm. I have a right to make at least one rye aside for nostalgia's sake. I put it off in the bathtub.
21:38Well, you're only saying that because you've had your fill of rye cides. Three times I've been on. Yeah. I'm dropping rye cides. Yeah, so now it's easy for you to - They cut out all my filthy zingers. Yeah, but you're fucking pulling the ladder up on me, judging me for whatever. Yeah, but you've already done your rye cides. You don't want to do it. I do. No, you don't. I want to say stum is boring. You want your dad to say I love you. That's what you want. That's all the Vaginew doing, the Vaginew's for you. Yeah, exactly. That's all it is. Yeah, but you've done that. Yeah. Yeah, you've got it.
22:05My dad kisses me on the mouth. what because you've done how I got his views no but he was doing that before
22:13so the only reason to go and have I got his views is so you can get with your dad genuinely genuinely so your father-in-law thinks what you do is respectable because if he's listening to this and then you ask for his hand in marriage he'd be like can I not shake your hand excuse me can I not shake your hand can I spit in your mouth excuse me can I just spit in your mouth um right anyway right come on we're so nearly there episode 10 i've genuinely made myself ill doing this series all for you you we've lost our voice from doing so many podcasts genuinely in a festival no i did nine podcasts in three days ten podcasts during a heat wave what are we wearing suits i have not stopped talking about post-war british prime ministers I'm great chat right now at a pub were you at fucking Redding screaming at the top of your lungs no no I was I was delivering an important message I was doing a Jamaican accent while talking about Douglas Alacune or whatever his fucking name is there's not been many Jamaican accents in this series it's not actually it's not the time it's not the time it's serious it's serious Callahan Callahan hated women I'm listening we'll get to him hating women actually we'll get to that Callahan is Chancellor in 64 he fucks it over the devaluation he resigns this is what I mean he is the most experienced man to enter PM, but he gets fired from every job.
23:36He introduces zebra crossings in 1947. Fucking hell. Christ, that's Jim Callaghan. That's who we've got to thank. So he was part of his government? Yeah, he was. Wow. Fucking hell. I mean, to be fair. Callaghan introduced zebra crossings. Madness. Now, are zebra crossings used in any other country? Well, in some countries you get fined for jaywalking, don't you? Is a zebra crossing a British invention? Singapore, they bang you up. did Callaghan invent the zebra crossing 1951 in Slough yeah he did that's amazing well Fairfax that's a great invention well I think he goes straight to the top of the leaderboard I think that's amazing zebra crossing is a bit like Schrodinger's cat because when I'm drunk when I'm on a zebra crossing and someone's not stopping I'm like really passive aggressive like excuse me I'm a pedestrian excuse me you know your rights I know my rights when I'm driving and someone's waiting to go i'm like nah fuck you i'm driving past really yeah yeah i'm awful i'm awful and i'm a complete hypocrite when i'm a pedestrian i'm so pass aga anyone who doesn't stop and then i'm in the car i'm like get out of my fucking way i'm driving what grand death auto genuinely and also now i cycle i'm like i'm still awful to cyclists when i'm driving yeah i'm like fuck you with your bike yeah and then when i'm cycling and drive people are driving past i'm like fuck off you could kill me i'm just a narcissist really yeah just some different different vehicles he's credited with coming up with the name for zebra crossings after seeing the black and white stripe design saying it looked like a zebra i mean that's amazing no that's immediately less impressive because what he's then credited for is he he made the link between white and black stripes and zebras why did you call it a zebra crossing james yeah well that's him on parkinson let me tell you like a zebra but my greatest invention i remember seeing black and white stripes in the rome i remember once summering in kenya settling in for a long anecdote yeah exactly um so that's his that's his greatest achievement is his naming zebra crossings yeah 67 he's home secretary race relations act commonwealth immigration act right doubles troops in northern ireland's right in foreign now when he's foreign what's interesting even though he's like i don't know working class left wing a lot of domestic policy he's a bit of a fucking um he's boy he's a hawk yeah even when the labor party are against it he supports nuclear armament he He supports renewing the subs.
25:49I think his time in the war, he's a bit of a fucking growler. He doubles troops in Northern Ireland. Yeah. He thinks set British women's growlers on the IRA. If we'd set angry Scottish women's growlers on the IRA in the 70s. Or the Black and Tans. The Black and Tans. It would have solved everything. Genuinely. Genuinely. The Black and Fans. I say that. I hate. The Twat and Fans. I hate to, I dread to think of a Belfast growler. Yeah. The troubles. Are you? What say the Belfast are you from? And that's just the vagina speak. And then you open the, oh, Catholic, I see. Terrifying. Is there, you know how British porn is just sort of awful.
26:34Yeah. You don't want local pornography. No, it's a perscapism. You don't be reminded of how thick people. I mean, shop local, maybe for your butchers. Yes. Or your fish. Support small businesses wearing your dicks in your trousers. Yeah, but pornography do not support small businesses. Do not go local. Go big. Even though OnlyFans is a British company. Do you know that? Yeah. It's one of the few things you've got to be proud of. It's true, but I mean, think about British tech innovations that are international. Yeah. OnlyFans is one of the few things. So I have subscribed to a lot of OnlyFans as I am a patriot.
27:05You're a puss patriot. Anyway, blah, blah, blah. When he's foreign secretary under Wilson in the 70s, he has a run-in with Idi Amin who's trying to execute a British lecturer for writing a critical book about him. Type in Idi Amin's view on free speech. Idi Amin on freedom of speech says, there is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech. He's a funny guy. No, but that's what the fucking left say. It's not you call it, it's cultural pushback. Yeah. You know, you want freedom of speech. He can say whatever you want. No, but he's saying the same thing. It's like you say what you want, it's just there's consequences.
27:39It's literally the same as what he's saying. It's consequence culture. Yeah, it is. He cancels people if they slag them off. Yeah, exactly. it's just you can say what you want but there's consequences I'm going to cancel your head from your neck I will drop your head off anyway let's get to him as Prime Minister 76 he's unelected but look at that sorry it's Callaghan and Carter it's cuck central isn't it look at that the West has never been weaker that is probably yeah that's the least powerful looking partnership of UK America yeah like that is the most no one knows who Callaghan is yeah everyone forgets Carter the peanut farmer yeah and the thick guy from Portsmouth that's as irrelevant that's what the West is dealing with while this is happening the Ayatollah's taken over in Iran and we're fucking we've got nothing we've got absolutely nothing we're in the toilet yeah that's two toilets meeting that's a photo of someone flushing a toilet down the toilet when he comes to power he starts do you come to power?
28:32do I? no no I come to weakness I find weakness very deeply sexy then I get hungry um no power's not power's not sexy weaknesses victims that's what i find um anyway sorry as i was saying when he's prime minister uh he uh his time in office begins with the economy is about as bad as it's ever been yeah there's a massive recession and after a few months in office basically dennis healy the chancellor has to go to the imf yeah the international monetary fund and ask for a loan of nearly 4 000 million pounds is that a bit 4 billion i don't know i don't know because i've never heard anyone say a thousand million 4 000 million that's a child's idea that's how he says i want a loan of 4 000 million pounds sounds more than 4 billion 4 000 million it is 4 billion so it right gazillion 4 ,000 gazoongas.
29:37So he asked for 4 billion pounds because the country's in such a fucking state. So he gets this huge loan, but then it turns out that the Treasury's made like an accounting error and their sums are actually fine. They don't need that much money. What does that mean? I don't know. They've added it up wrong. But someone's added it up wrong. Everyone's fucked. They're pissed all the time. They're liquid lunches. They're nailing fags. No one is composmentist at all in the 70s. So they beg for the IMF, they go and suck them off, and then they get 4 billion. Spending was then cut from 5 billion to 1.5 billion, making the loan completely unnecessary, gets paid back.
30:17And the country begins showing some economic improvement in the spring of 78. In 77, Callaghan forms the Lib Lab Pact. Lib Lab Love. Lib Lab Love. The Lib Lab Love Pact, which is obviously live, laugh, love for deaf people. Lib, lab, lab. That's what a deaf influencer would be like. Lib, lab, lab. What would the hand signals be? Lib, lab, lab. Lib, lab, lab, lab. What do you think sign language, this is love? Genuine, Bill Clinton's sign language is this. What do you mean? Bill Clinton? Yeah, that's how you say Bill Clinton in sign. What, official? Yeah, official BSL. What if you want to talk about a blowjob?
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33:18so he creates a pact with the SNP there's nationalists starting to get more power now in 78 Callaghan has an opportunity to call a general election because Labour are quite high in the polls because this is probably the best the 70s has ever been actually is the 78 okay so it has already picked up yeah it's picked up you know frozen food the scum are happy they're eating their frozen pizzas you know they're watching what they're watching on TV watching fucking Top of the Pop they're watching Jim will fix it and Jim's fixing it yeah he's fixing it if it is children's arseholes yeah you got it don't worry Finn you got it I got it did I get it?
33:57you did get it I think you were looking for a more delicate way of saying it I was then you just went no I just it's part 10 I'm not I'm not a poet I'm not a poet I wasn't a poet in part 1 part 10 part 10 nice whiskey though it is nice whiskey Callaghan chooses to wait which is the same disastrous decision that Gordon Brown makes 30, 40 years later Go on He doesn't have an early election and then the crisis hits Right So during Callaghan's time as Prime Minister Mummy Mummy Maggie is leader of the opposition Yeah She they She they She they She they She's not she they Sorry I'll note say she they She was not Although she is kind of masculine isn't she Yeah If she was posthumously found out to be trans.
34:47Well, everyone would be like, makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. My granddad's half-brother did that as well. He transitioned kind of when he was 60. Amazing. I think for retirement, why not? Yeah. Go for it. Try something else. Chop it off. You know, retirement, find a new lease of life. Yeah. Fair play. Well, you live longer, don't you? Yeah. Yeah, women live longer, don't they? Yeah, so get to 60, go, fuck it. I want an extra five years. It's Madame Taylor. it would be fucking awesome if you went trans do you think yeah I could do it I think you wouldn't change anything about how you are I'd put a wig on are you still dressed like that that'd be livid if you just got misgendered well that's the funniest thing to do excuse me excuse me it's Madame Taylor but that's what is it one of LCD Sound System or is one of Hot Chip one of them is trans but has kept their I think maybe their name's like Gavin but she is trans but she's called Gavin or something like that.
35:42But that's the funniest way to do it. It's like, yeah, I'm trans. Start writing reactionary articles for The Telegraph. Yeah, yeah. Mrs. Finn Taylor. I know, I shouldn't be allowed in there. I'm going to rape. Don't let me in there. I'll rape everyone. I'm horny. I'm horny. I'm a trans woman. It would be quite funny. It would be funny to be an anti-trans mole in the trans community. Three-piece suit. You can't let me in there. I'm going to rape everyone. What are you doing? You're mad. You're mad? I'm wearing a three-piece suit and a wig. Yes, my name's Sheila, legally. anyway Callaghan doesn't call for the 78 autumn election Thatcher branded the party chickens and a woman calling Callaghan a chicken so he definitely underestimates Thatcher he also speaks down to her he's calling her love and stuff like that I love this yeah so he calls her shrill yeah that's a classic dog whistle misogyny he implies that whatever the leader of the opposition said was made even sillier by the fact it was said by a woman oh yeah this is it he calls her a little woman that little woman at the dispatch box yeah that's like the cameron um saying calm down dear yeah do you remember the ferrari who did he say it to calm down dear that michael winterbottom or michael winner whatever i don't fucking know oh christ yeah he doesn't even like he doesn't know he's referencing that it's great And they're also, they're walled by two other blokes.
37:11Yeah. You know, and the one sitting next to them is just another two white guys. I do miss Cameron in the comments. He was always one for a, like, he always had the set up jokes. Yeah. He'd go for, like, the kind of, the long structured kind of. But he had a bit of a, he had a bit of a lean in when he did it. He was quite like a, yeah, quite like an Edinburgh Fringe-y sort of way. Yeah. So, but he, yeah, he brands that as a little woman, and then she obviously fucking hates that. Yeah, yeah. So, we get to the winter of discontent. Despite the IMF loan, things have actually been okay. Well, he wasn't even a loan because he gave it back.
37:40No, he gave it back. Because they looked and they're like, oh, we added a zero. Sorry, one of our accountants was drunk, so he can have it all back. But he could and should have called an election in the autumn of 78. He doesn't, and this proves to be his great mistake because we enter the winter of discontent, which is the worst the country ever gets. Do you think? Yeah, it's fucked. Right. So he still hasn't sorted the pay packet for the unions. The unions are still running the show. and it's essentially a general strike is kind of what it is public and private sectors demanding pay rises greater than the limits callaghan had imposed to control inflation what's interesting because now we've got strikes and it's like everyone's making there's so many people making so much money in this country yeah we want a bit of it yeah why is there such income inequality yeah but they're making strikes when no one had any money no that's what's kind of different we don't have any money we don't have any money but then there's like there's such there's so much income inequality in the country today and it's getting more and more there's billionaires there's fucking qatar owns half of london yeah when they ask for strikes it's like surely there's a way to remanage this but then it's like literally no one had money everyone's like the spider-man being like you have money i don't know so let's go through the strikes bin men january 22 they're off left left it's still a mess have they not picked up rubbish in less than square since no they haven't it's absolute disgrace the strikes went on so long that local authorities began to run out of space for storing waste right they used parks they just put they just turned parks into bins right rats obviously become uh commonplace it gets rebranded as fester square right that's pretty good nhs workers strike the blockading hospital entrances so all hospitals shut down apart from emergency departments teachers go on strike a picket line and there's people they're just checking what's wrong with you then yeah back crash fuck off come back when You've got a broken leg, cunt.
39:31Skin cancer. What is it? Stage two. Nah, you're all right. Fuck off. Fuck off. Come back when it's stage four, mate. Teachers. Nurseries. I cannot fathom my nursery going on strike. A rat infestation, isn't it? The kids are running free. The kids are running. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Imagine. Rats. Toddlers. Yeah. Bin bags. Hellish. Yeah. Train drivers go on strike. And it's the coldest winter since 47, right? Yeah. It's also fucked. There's no lorry drivers, so there's no petrol. Yeah. Council workers. Who cares? they can go fuck off. Jackie Weaver's on strike. Yeah, they don't do anything anyway.
40:03And this is when it gets really, really bad. Yeah. In Liverpool, there's an unofficial strike by grave diggers. Christ, you forget that they exist sometimes. You do. I guess someone does need to dig those graves. But you know the country's fucked when you're remembering jobs you didn't know exist. Well, it's like what they say about on football, like a good referee, you don't notice he's there. Yeah. But you really notice when a grave digger's doing a bad job. one report mentions that an average of 25 bodies were added to the backlog backlog daily no one would no one's burying or cremating bodies so they just imagine your fucking nan getting added to the backlog can you find sorry there's no room she's fucking right there sorry love you're acting sorry love there's no there's no room she's fucking rotting there that's my nan so luckily it's so cold so the whole nation's kind of a big chiller yeah so it's keeping the bodies cool to ease the strain on funeral homes Liverpool City Council hired a factory to store corpses until they could be safely buried fuck me Christ I think that might be it is that it yeah that's it is that the factory just a warehouse with bodies how are they keeping it cool Christ on one day there were over 150 bodies stored in the warehouse thousands of bodies went unburied it was a two month strike local bin men supported this I bet they did well bin men I mean you know You're basically just a big bin man, aren't you?
41:22Yeah, but also, yeah, the gravediggers, that's just, that's bin men at their lodging. They're the ultimate bin men. If you're playing The Sims, right, on the bin men career ladder, you get promoted as a gravedigger. You know how you do different... Are you saying bin men are looking up at gravediggers and saying, oh... Fucking hell, one day. If only. If only I'd listened at school. Yeah. They're fucking chucking away fucking nannas. Yeah. I'm chucking away fucking crisp packets. How come we haven't run out of grave space nationally? I mean, graveyards are often full. because you can't you can't have a grave on top of a grave it's not you can't it's not like it's not like council flats you can't build up really no you could you should though yeah I think you should have grave high rises how could we possibly not have just run out of space now I think soon we'll start doing like a Pol Pot kind of massacre thing well most people most people are getting cremated and then most people I think so I think cremation's more popular now trendy it's trendy it's woke yeah yeah I think yeah I think me and the hubby are going to get cremated yeah yeah you're right yeah 75 % yeah yeah Is it because it's so expensive to get a funeral plot?
42:22I think it is expensive. Probably, yeah. Where's the national mourning going to be at my gravestone? I'm getting buried. I'm like bin Laden-ing it. Fuck that. I'm in the sea. I'm done. Really? Yeah, yeah. No, no, we talked about this. I can't be a martyr. I can't be a martyr. No, I'm embalmed. Of course you're going to be embalmed. Oh, well, yeah, I'm going to drop you off because otherwise you've become a shrine. I'll become a shrine to the smelliest people in the country. No, I'm going to be embalmed and I want a national day of mourning. I want to be like North Korean leaders where people would just cry at my statue.
42:46Right. Like twice a day, they need to. They're going to fuck the statue though, like Ronaldo, I reckon. No, not in this country. Yeah, they will. They're going to make your statue really... Oh, right, well, my face. Cross-eyed, yeah, yeah. Well, it's already pretty fucked. So, bin men support the strike. MP Anthony Steen called it repugnant and outrage to human decency. The strike offends against the dignity of man. Horrifying examples of man's indifference and inhumanity to the dead. A vicar speaking in 79 said, when grave diggers will allow corpses to mount up rather than carry out their duty, I detect the undermining of the whole structure of our society.
43:24And after 10 days, the grave diggers return to work, settling for a 14 % pay rise. I mean, how many grave diggers? Is there a lot of grave diggers? Is it a big fucking union? There's probably at least 10. It says 60 to 80 when on strike. Is that all it takes? So 80 people grinding the fucking country to a halt. give them a pay rise what's more sinister grave digger or abattoir man grave digger's more sinister because abattoirs work with animals as opposed to I'm actually quite I'd quite like to do a butchery course yeah I bet you'd love that shit yeah live butchery though you're killing the animal no live butchery that's what an abattoir is what like a boilery set live Fred are getting a cow yeah I guess abattoirs they're the fucking yeah you gotta kill them somehow hang on no I'd like to be a butcher maybe not abattoir I'd like to butcher an animal.
44:11I like all the different, I like those paintings where you see the cross section of the cow and all the joints. I'd like to know, I feel very satisfying. I feel very satisfied, you know, like deboning a fish I really like. So the winter of discontent is the longest and most comprehensive strike since the 20s. Right. 30 million working days are lost. Christ. Over 4 ,500 industrial disputes. So by the end of January, 90 ,000 Britons are on unemployment benefit. And the weather is the coldest in 16 years. Obviously, the energy prices are rising because of the minor strike. There's like severe frosts.
44:47There's a 40 mile section of the M6 that's closed because of the snow. I mean, this country in the snow - Can't do it anyway. Just shuts down. So Callaghan calls the actions of the strike as collective vandalism. And the worst thing about it is that Callaghan the entire winter, or for at least a month, has literally been on his fucking holly bobs in the Caribbean. there's a G7 summit we get a picture of Catlehan in the Caribbean he goes to a summit to discuss the Iranian crisis right and he gets a lesson from the Shah and then he tags a holiday on in Barbados I went to Barbados it's brilliant yeah absolutely I loved it what it's funny to describe Barbados as brilliant it is brilliant brilliant that's probably what James Catlehan was saying this place is bloody brilliant this place is brilliant it is absolutely brilliant man it went to a fish went to a fish fry Saturday night fish fry on the beach yeah lovely great um there he is look yeah batty out with his batty out in the sea and uh callaghan returns returns with a glowing tan into heathrow and the press come up to him and they're like you know where have you been uh there's bodies everywhere this is fucked and he basically goes oh i don't i don't think it's that bad yeah you can't be gone on holiday at this point oh he gives a press conference and to his advisor's dismay he was uh you know jocular and talks about swimming in the Caribbean and how lovely it was.
46:08He's not chiming with the mood of the country when there are dead bodies rotting in the streets and rats in Leicester Square. He's then asked about his approach in view of the mountain chaos. And he says, I don't think some strikes in bad weather amount to mountain chaos. Well, yeah, they do. Yeah. And then the son says, quotes him and there's the headline crisis, what crisis? Right. Which is that is the sort of the thing that Thatcher seizes on. Right. Like a hungry dog. That's his pound in your pocket. That's the bone that Thatcher latches onto. crisis, what crisis? Thatcher gets her fucking dog chops around a big bone, gets her growler out and sets loose on the Labour cabinet.
46:45Thatcher sets loose her growler on Callahan. Thatcher's growler is loose in the streets. I mean, there's books about him called Crisis, What Crisis? So I guess that's the sound. He also, he looks very, very, very bloated by this point. He's very, very fat. He's got a 70s face. Your face gets so puffy if you're constantly drinking. The Conservatives are quoted as saying, Britain was being run by little Soviets. Right. So catch a call for a vote. No confidence. I don't have any confidence in your ability. It's all about the confidence. You've got to be confidence. Yeah, got one. Yeah, it's the runway.
47:16Callaghan's lost it. Callaghan loses the confidence vote by one vote. Sir Alfred Broughton didn't vote. Isn't there something about during this period, during the 70s, someone drags in an MP who's dying to vote through the lobby? Right, just makes him use his face ID. Literally that. I think there's something about that. But Callaghan wants to hold on for the election still. Well, he should have done it earlier. Yeah. But this is the last moment that he can do it. Right. So after losing by one vote, Callaghan calls general election, stating that it will take our case to the country. One vote? Yeah.
47:47So he lost it by one vote because the guy didn't vote because he was ill. So basically that takes us to the 1979 general election, where the rest is herstory. The rest is herstory. The rest is herstory. For the first time in British history. For the first time in British history, Callaghan ultimately resigns, becomes a farmer. Does he? Yeah. Dies at 93, Britain's longest living prime minister. Look at that. And so the great mistake he makes is the winter of discontent, rather than calling an election before it, he goes on his olive bobs and then comes back and Thatcher uses it to get into power, essentially.
48:22So I guess in retrospect on Callaghan, he's often viewed as the worst prime minister because of the country's so fucked and the winter of discontent. But then there's been a lot of like retroactive things saying he wasn't that bad yeah but then if you look at it properly he was pretty bad but he was he he was just another another guy who just didn't want to think about solving the actual problems yeah because it was too many new ideas but he seemed pretty i mean this is they're all they're war veterans all of them traumatized traumatized yeah they're drinking to forget they're constantly smoking that you know they can't how they can focus on anything at all is beyond me yeah and so that's perfectly set up for mummy to come save us uh should we do the final rankings then i think we need to we need to rank these we've finally reached the end of the series um where do we think i mean in this period you'd probably have to say at least the only one that does anything so at least number one number two could be wilson wilson's first term yeah or mcmillan wilson's first though because mcmillan just managed the economy didn't really do anything new even a cuck for 30 years he's got to have some credit in the bank for that what just for being a cut fucking the fucking nerve of the man yeah to watch his wife get railed for 30 years so you go at lee yeah you go wilson's first term mcmillan yeah then we sorry sorry sorry sorry are we not we not are we counting out douglas hughes out of the top three i think he might have to the titan the giant well he's so politically controversial i guess he's we're too divisive isn't he he's too divisive he's too strong a flavor it's like blair it's like thatcher It is, yeah.
49:54We're going to split our audience in two. He's love, hate. He's Marmite. Douglas Hume is Marmite. Attlee, Wilson's first term. Macmillan, Churchill's second term, I think. Because he didn't really do anything. He didn't do anything bad, I guess. He didn't do anything. And then in that pocket, Douglas Hallett-Hume, no harm was done. Hang on. He has to be mid-table. Yeah. Where are you putting Heath? So I think you're going to have to go... Wilson's second, Heath Callahan. I mean these are all fucking disastrous Callaghan isn't well Callaghan isn't that bad so then it goes Callaghan Callaghan, Wilson second, Heath so you're saying Wilson second's better than Heath Wilson second actually tries to do something does it?
50:34with the unions by just giving them exactly what they want yeah Heath joins the European Union yeah I don't know Wilson second, Heath and then the last one I don't think I don't think it matters I'd say Eden last really? Eden's worse than Heath yeah Suez Heath is an active paedophile. An active paedophile on campus. An active paedophile. I think you'd have to say he did nothing but Suez. And Suez was the biggest disaster, one of the biggest disasters. But how else could he have done it? What, if he hadn't retreated? But that's Macmillan, that's Macmillan the snake. I don't know. I think you'd have to say, because Eden had a good career apart from being a prime minister.
51:14Yeah. But as an actual term, the way he went out, it was just a fuck up. and Heath was dealt a terrible hand, did some, did some, he did get us into Europe. Yeah. But in general was terrible. So I do think it probably has to be Eden. I think my ranking, even though he's the biggest smoke show. In terms of, him and Truss at the bottom and top of those two tables. In terms of how funny they are. Yeah. Okay. Humor wise. Heath, McMillan, Wilson. Oh, sorry. Wilson. Heath and Wilson are up top. McMillan, Eden. Yeah. Yeah. Douglas Hume. I mean, Attlee wasn't that funny. No, it's not funny. The real question though is who had the fittest wife?
51:50I don't think any of them. It's the long road to Sherry Blair. Oh my God. Thank you so much for staying with us. If you would like more, you are greedier than Ted Heath at a buffet. We do a bonus episode every Friday. Sign up to the Patreon to get access to that. The only real way to end this is that we are Britain. We're on our knees. The winter of disco tents. And we're begging for mummy. Mummy. Mummy. Mommy. We fucked it. Can you wipe my bottom? Mommy. Enough of this nonsense. Come on, boys. Let's on. That's it. Mommy's here now. We're with Discord. Merry big harmony. Mommy's here. Mommy's here.
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