In short
Part 2 of The History of Sex Work focuses on male same-sex prostitution in 18th-century London (the “molly houses”) and then broadens to Victorian-era regulation of prostitution, wartime venereal-disease policy, and modern sex-work dynamics (OnlyFans, street work, and online “creepy” buyers).
Guests
Joanne McNally is a comedian/performer (Irish; discusses her UCD background and touring). Bill Simmons hosts; Horatio Gould is also present. The episode repeatedly references “porn expert” Charlie (and other recurring voices) but Joanne is the main guest.
Key claims
Gay male brothels formed social spaces under severe sodomy laws; raids relied on circumstantial evidence (e.g., unbuttoned trousers) rather than catching acts. “Molly houses” were monitored and infiltrated by informants. Victorian prostitution law definitions were broad and statistics were inflated. Wartime policy treated venereal disease as a military threat, producing “prophylactic dictatorship” and blaming women. Modern platforms reduce stigma but can also accelerate exploitation and accidental entry into sex work.
Notable examples
John Dunton’s He Strumpets; Mother Clap’s 1726 raid (40 men arrested); Gabriel Lawrence (convicted, hanged, dissected); Florence Nightingale linked (jokingly) to syphilis during the Crimean War; World War I hospital admissions for VD; Dunkirk-era “dirty knickers” cloth-rubbing; OnlyFans and “leak” prevention via photo numbering.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFunerals and Cultural Practices
0:00 to 0:14
Discussion on cultural differences in funerals and humor around them.
“Push your limits, train with precision, see the results.”
Funerals and Cultural Practices
1:48 to 4:50
Discussion on cultural differences in funerals and humor around them.
“because they've never worn a suit in their lives.”
Sex Work in History
4:50 to 7:41
Exploring the historical perspectives on sex work, focusing on gay male sex work.
“Because like the DMs, I think apparently...”
The Modern Perspective on Sex
7:41 to 14:00
Discussion on the current societal views of sex and sex workers.
“Yeah, but that's, you know - They have no genitals.”
Exploring Slurs and Their Meanings
14:00 to 16:40
The hosts discuss various homophobic slurs and their cultural implications.
“There's a slang term for gay men called mollies.”
Historical Context of Sodomy Laws
16:40 to 20:40
The conversation shifts to the historical legal context surrounding sodomy in English and Irish law.
“There's nothing about the quick shot launcher in the Bible, I don't believe.”
Social Spaces of Gay Men in History
20:40 to 25:00
Discussion on gay brothels, known as molly houses, and the social dynamics within them.
“He hosted a pool party where a man allegedly got bummed to death in his paddling pool.”
Victorian Misconceptions and Prostitution
25:00 to 28:00
Hosts critique misconceptions about Victorian prostitutes and societal views on women.
Irish Accents and Cultural Stereotypes
28:00 to 29:37
Learn about the differences in Irish accents and the stereotypes associated with various regions.
“Harlot, that's a very English term as well.”
Joanne’s Tour and Show Name
29:37 to 30:54
Discover Joanne McNally's upcoming tour and the clever name of her show, 'Pino-phile'.
“And also, you should say, your tour is called, it's one of the greatest names for a tour I've ever seen.”
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The Contagious Diseases Act and Victorian Attitudes
30:54 to 33:48
Explore the historical context of the Contagious Diseases Act and Victorian views on sex work.
“Florence Nightingale one of the first prostitutes.”
Syphilis and Modern Sexual Health
33:48 to 36:13
Discuss the resurgence of syphilis in modern times and its implications for sexual health.
“Oh, like India, Japan, you know, sex work is, it's not a pejorative.”
Technology and Casual Sex Work
36:13 to 39:14
Examine how platforms like OnlyFans have changed perceptions and realities of sex work.
“But then they screen recorded the porn and tricked him.”
Sex During Wartime: Historical Perspectives
40:11 to 42:00
Explore the intersection of sex work, military discipline, and societal attitudes during wartime.
“Now, during World War I and II, sex, prostitution and venereal disease became matters of military discipline and national security.”
Exploring Japanese Vending Machine Culture
42:00 to 44:40
Learn about the unique vending machine culture in Japan, including the sale of used underwear.
“You see the men on the, on the tube in Japan and all, like it's fucking weird.”
Sexual Dynamics During War
44:40 to 47:20
Discuss the behaviors and practices of soldiers regarding intimacy and sexual relationships during wartime.
“who's that guy with the tarot shoot, this country wants you, issues every British soldier a copy on the true character of the British soldier, like a little manual for the troops, advising them to avoid wine and women.”
Prostitution and Military Strategy
47:20 to 50:00
Examine how different countries regulated prostitution and the implications for soldiers and society.
“The moral prophylaxis was, this is Britain, the US, the Allies would state propaganda against the dirty women.”
The Dark History of Sexual Regulation
50:00 to 53:00
Delve into the troubling history of forced medical inspections and punitive measures against soldiers with STDs.
“I like masturbating to Dorian Kindersley.”
Nazi Brothels and Racial Policies
53:00 to 55:50
Explore the controversial establishment of state-controlled brothels in Nazi Germany and their racial implications.
“And if you didn't report your symptoms, you'd get a court-martial.”
The Impact of Collaboration on Women During WWII
56:00 to 58:56
Explore the harsh realities faced by women in France during World War II.
“Any woman who had a relationship with the German was accused of horizontal collaboration.”
Joanne McNally's Tour and Audience Dynamics
58:56 to 1:00:45
Joanne discusses her upcoming tour and the dynamics of her comedy audience.
“I'll be shaving women's heads, tarring men.”
Joanne McNally's Tour and Audience Dynamics
1:01:55 to 1:02:09
Joanne discusses her upcoming tour and the dynamics of her comedy audience.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Fint Taylor:Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. At Equinox, that's high performance loving. Everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox. Start today at equinox.com. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers. Give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans.
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1:28Fint Taylor:Welcome back to Finverse History. I'm with Horatio Gould and the phenomenal Joanne McNally. Look at this. What a treat. Absolute treat. Thanks, guys. A second woman has hit the podcast. Yes. I mean, my God. Wow. Yeah, look at this. Amazing. And dressed in a beautiful suit. Really nice. I mean, stunning, to be fair. Most of the time, if we have guests on, they do look like they're attending a court appearance because they've never worn a suit in their lives. Yeah, I'm a bit like that. What do you think? Am I wearing it well? It's very well. I feel like we're at the afters of a funeral a little bit.
1:56Fint Taylor:Would you serve this much cunt at a funeral? Oh, yeah. Would you? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how much - I heard the cocks turning as you decided whether to say that. But then, should you serve this much cunt, George? Do you agree that I decided to really go for it? Do you want to come here serving cunt? Yes. It depends. If you don't steal the show, you don't steal the scene. But the person who's dead, it's their moment. But Irish funerals, I would say, as an English Presbyterian, I've been to an Irish funeral. Do you do? I would say it's all I'd say it's good and nonsense and I'd say that everyone there was steam sealing I love an Irish funeral it's about processing the death of a body it makes sense you're just told someone's dead and you never see them again we hang out with the body and we process and we accept it's a better way of doing it have you seen Ghanaian funerals because we were talking about this yes have you seen this well I've seen on TikTok I don't know how far I represent when they're dancing with the coffin and all well that's also Ghanaian but what's amazing look at this so this is what they do they got like they got this like this culture of building specific coffins that represent that what they did in their life that's the corpse that's a dead guy who was a taxi driver and they buried him in a rotating taxi so that's what irish funerals look like to us oh my god well my father wasn't sitting up did they embalm your father but what it'd be what did they do in their life that defined them what did your what would your father's version of this be then the work that went into that how do they keep him sitting up they're not that flexible at this point i think there was somewhere they just crunched Oh, that's actually, yeah, that's true.
3:24There was some, I did, I know that there's some, somewhere around the Brazil area. It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter. This is not true. Come to the right podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not bogged down in facts.
3:36Fint Taylor:No, neither are we. I like loose bits of information. And they had, they'd stuff them and kind of, they'd dance with them. Or do you see these people who put on their own funeral when they're still alive just to see what it would be like and see who comes? I can imagine, I can imagine you'd be interested in something like that potentially. I would like, yeah. But then I'd be worried. They're like, we're not going again. We went the last time. Do you know, when you actually die, it's going to affect the numbers. But do you want both then? Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. But I would like to see the outpouring of pain.
4:02Fint Taylor:Yeah. And I don't want anyone to move on. Like, do you know these wives who are like, should their husbands move on? I wouldn't be down at all. But then I feel if you're there, it will take away, you'd really like, you'd haunt proceedings. Well, yeah. If you're still alive, if you're sat third row. Go on then. No, these people are in the casket. I'd be in the casket. I'd have to make them think I'm dead It's a full blown like mock up funeral But is the casket at an angle so you're looking at everyone like that You'd have to have a projection on the ceiling so you can keep an eye like a Google doorbell or something so you could watch it all play from within the casket Yeah Who turned up and all I know I don't want to die privately or with the you know someone says like after a private battle mine will be public And you want like wailing right street wailing Yeah I guess we have quite repressed funerals English Protestant funerals it's it's it's it's just the same it's just any other day don't make a fuss yeah don't move plans just get on with it another one's dead people are zooming into funerals now yeah i think that's weird i found doing gigs if you can call them that on zoom i don't like i could see people's shorts it's weird see their legs in their house one of my favorite zoom funeral stories i've told the story before but whatever who cares and um probably not to our audience this is the first time i imagine our audience of thick young men and not thick in a two c's i mean yeah these are some hideous people i'm here to recruit the incels yeah yes that's what i'm here for you don't want to find a husband here though these are some these are truly repulsive people really yeah i like a gamer i like a man in my and it's like an internet do you like uh do you like a neck beard a what a neck beard so it's just like bum fluff hair around you novelty t-shirt fedoras fedoras are they still around oh yeah yeah with our listeners yeah big yeah aviator sunglasses so shorts with lots of pockets on them loads of pockets so if you get the image is becoming clear to me velcro um sandals if you were getting joanne if you were getting married to one of our uh patreons they would turn up in a purple fedora with a female body inspector t-shirt cargo shorts and a pen knife on them oh there he is yeah if you want your body inspector by a female body inspector he went to the trouble of shaving around the beard that's our oldest patron that's patron zero sometimes people ask me do i have man in my dm because they're like oh you must get lads in your dms and when i say it's it's like they're yeah i am their type but it's only lads like that there's a sort of horny disparity right between male and female comedians, right?
6:40Fint Taylor:Oh, yeah. Because like the DMs, I think apparently... Gag hags. That like, there's not as many like gag hags the other way around. Men are not interested in funny women in the same way. They're not. Threatened. Yeah. It's all power. Terrified. Yeah, they don't come in. Whereas with the, what do they call them? Clown fuckers, you know? They love it. Women, I'm attracted to funny men. That's really attractive. Yeah. But then men are like funny women. It's like... No. Come on. No. Stop joking around. Take your pants off. I always... whenever we discuss stuff like that I'm always wary because I'm kind of saying that every woman in a relationship is just a really boring bitch but that's not true.
7:14I just think especially when you're on stage men aren't they're not it's not a turn on. No it's not. Do you get many horny guys at your shows? It's a cock block. No. One time in Dubai there was four straight guys at the show and to this day I was like what the fuck?
7:26Fint Taylor:What's going on there? I almost thought it was Joe Welfin. Were they old friends? Yeah. Were they sent there because they'd been caught shagging on a beach or something? I felt like one of the Eastern punishment. Not a hand between them. just like bleeding bleeding wrists now we're cracking into the history of sex now this is part two in our series and our last part you weren't here we talked about sex work in the Roman times the Pompeii brothel to be honest we barely talked about it barely talked about it we mainly talked about how horrendous British porn is yeah British porn is bad don't go local for your porn the guys with the little dolls you know the guys riding the dolls now I don't know Charlie's our porn expert he's actually like he's our man on the ground you know the guys riding the mannequin he's like when you cut to someone he's like a North American editor he's our porn editor he's John Sopel but for porn you know the guys riding the dolls it's kind of female focused porn if you know what I mean they have sex with the fake plastic dolls are they robot dolls well they've no arms they're just a torso and genitals it's the female exactly like the CPR machine is that a bit of role play where it's like someone showing someone a CPR and then it gets a little bit hot and heavy that's not porn that's just a safety demonstration It's a medical training video.
8:37Yeah, but that's, you know - They have no genitals.
8:38Fint Taylor:Are you getting step-mom get stuck in washing machines? Are you getting that? No. So I guess that's more male focus point. Can you get that up, Charlie? Charlie, get up. Step-mom get stuck in a washing machine. A lot, oh. This is what we're getting. Get stuck in washing machine. So this is a male fantasy at the moment. So it's like this sort of stuff. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, let's do it. It's too rapid now. Do you know what I mean? This is a big thing. Which, cause obviously that's more realistic. She's trapped. So she gets trapped. Her head's not even stuck. She's allowed to run to maneuver there.
9:04I know, I know, but it's the, you know. They're not even trying.
9:05Fint Taylor:It's like cows and stairs. Cows can go upstairs, they can't go down them. Women can go into washing machines, they can't come out. They can't wait for them, yeah. They need to be fucked loose. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of which, we're talking about sex work. Now, I think we should start with the 18th century male sex work in London. The he-strumpets. Interesting. We haven't really talked about gay sex work too much in the last episode. No. No. No. But now Joanne's here. Let's get into it. Have you ever used, do you frequent sex workers? Never had it. I think it's more of a male sport, really. But there is a...
9:38You don't hear a lot of women going to, women going to male sex workers.
9:42Fint Taylor:No, I think the closer you can see in like popular culture, not popular culture, but I've heard about it is like the Japanese woman renting a boyfriend. Yeah. So you can have like a boyfriend experience. Yeah, and I hate to stereotype, but I feel like women are in for more the emotion. It's not as much a transaction for us. You just pay to release yourself. Rather your step-in gets stuck in a washing machine. you speak in our audience's language you pay to release yourself it's like a wang sleeve yeah you get milked it's disgusting joanne you're reading out my wedding vows i love you i pay to release myself whatever whatever whereas i'd be more like do you love me if i was a worm do you know there's more of an emotional paying someone to can you still love me if i was a worm in their eyes that's what you've paid yeah If you're a worm, can I shove you up my ass?
10:29Fint Taylor:Brilliant. It's a transaction. I want to be loved and adored and respected. So we're talking about gay male prostitutes. Yes. The He Strumpets was a book written by John Dunton, who's a London satirist in the early 18th century. And these satire reflect a public moral anxiety. It's the original gay panic. Right. We're all aware of men my kind of age who, you know, our hands accidentally touch. Oh, shit. And then I have to go and have a shower. Different country. passport, shame. Mexico, see you later. Divorced. I'm gay now. I'm gay now. I'm living the second half gay in Mexico. My name's Alejandro.
11:04Fint Taylor:It's completely different. I touched my business partner's hand and I've had to leave my family because now I guess I'm gay. Poor man. I know. It's a mental illness being a straight man. It is. Nowadays, probably. Because if you're not in a relationship, no one touches you. You don't touch each other at all. The Fleshertron 3000 touched me. Get the Fleshertron 3000. What was it called? What was the thing? Quick shot launch masturbator. Can I see the flesher pan? No, here we go. It's like a kettle. Yeah. What the fuck is that? Get it with the model in there. Get the photo with it. So she comes with it.
11:34Fint Taylor:She doesn't come with it. Famously, she does not come with it. I think it says woman sold separately, I believe. That's hilarious. And how does this work now? You hold onto the handles, you put it over your Johnson. Your Johnson goes in there and then it... Yeah, but you see, this is also like sexually based. I just mean like human touch. Like a cuddle. Exactly. I hate to cuddle, but yeah. You got handles. Just for course. I'm talking about the lack of mail on connection. You're showing me a wanking kettle. Cuddling's fucking gay. I've got the fucking Grappatron. Fucking a fruit dehydrator. I've got my sex air fryer.
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13:01This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files
13:20Fint Taylor:and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at chatgpt.com by selecting work mode, available on Plus and Pro plans. Star Wars, The Mandalorian and Grogu is now streaming on Disney+. What are you waiting for? Hop on. The must-see galactic adventure comes home on Disney+. This is the way. Our only chance is to work together. I like this, kid. Always wear your seatbelt. Star Wars, The Mandalorian and Grogu. Now streaming on Disney+. Read PG-13. So men were called mollies. There's a slang term for gay men called mollies. As a fan of slurs, especially effeminate ones, I'm quite...
14:09Fint Taylor:Molly's kind of cute. I think so. Yeah, but the way you like slurs, you don't like them cute, do you? No, I just like them arcane. Yeah, okay. I like bringing them back. I like getting away with stuff people haven't heard of. That's what I like. Yeah. But what is your favourite homophobic slur then? I don't know. Should we rank them? Top five. Top five. Homophobic slur? Yeah, probably Wooly Woofter is pretty good. Wooly Woofter. Wooly Woofter. Oh, that's cute. Billy Bontz is quite good. I do like Puff, but I know it's not my choice. Puff is a... I think it's kind of cute, but I understand that gay men don't like it, but I do think it is quite a cute term.
14:43Fint Taylor:Gay men don't like any of this stuff. Gay Lord is still good. I like Puff. But you like Gay Lord because it implies a thief, like a feudal system. It also gives them a lot of respect to high rank. Yeah. Because there's gay peasants as well, but they don't get talked about. Yeah. The gay lord, they own land. Yeah, there's authority to it. Yeah. Yeah. You're in a position of power. So sodomy is a capital offence in English law under the Buggery Act of 1533. And did you know, I don't think it's, it doesn't get stopped being an offence till John Major. John Major. John Major comes in and legalises anal.
15:15Fint Taylor:Woke nonsense. But sodomy isn't just anal. Sodomy is just anything that doesn't lead to kids. Is this an Irish perspective? No, it's true. That's what sodomy is. It's oral as well. So basically going down a woman, you're doing sodomy. Can you find the sodomy laws in Ireland? Because I wonder what, because I mean, talking about like gay panic, like I guess it was like an arms race between Britain and Ireland at this point. Sodomy is decriminalised in 93. All right. There you go. Because you guys did an unbelievable 180, right? We did. Because you're like the most like Catholic. We kicked the church out.
15:48Fint Taylor:And then it became like super woke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've done great work in a small amount of time. Yeah, very quick. Very quick. But we were gagging. Too much, too soon. We were gagging to get out from under the church. They ran our schools and all. It was nuts. My auntie Joan, she's dead now, God love her. But she used to, back in the day, she was in UCD, which is where I went as well, University College Dublin. And she remembered them, they put condom machines up in the canteen or whatever, students' unit. And then all these sirens were like, and all the guards arrived and like ripped them off the wall.
16:16Really? It was a crime. Crime, crime. Condom police. Condom police. Wow. Yeah. Imagine they'd seen your wank sleeves. They would have fucking had a nervous writing.
16:24Fint Taylor:They would have got a swap team in. With the teeth in the tongue. They would have got a swap team in to take on the kettle. What's the Catholic view on the launcher? What's that? What's the Pope think about the quick shot masturbation? Because if he hasn't mentioned it specifically, I think it's all right. There's nothing about the quick shot launcher in the Bible, I don't believe. I'm sorry. It's the most pathetic looking thing I've ever seen. the actual visualizing visualizing a man Joanne that's my Prosecco all right I go for a quick shot launch with the guys you need to regulate yourself in a better way guys my new tour show is called the quick shot launch express what a great finale what a great finisher yeah exactly raw dog me and my Elvis letters it takes longer sometimes shorter I'll lose a long encore tonight bloody hell 20 minute encore it was grim by the end anyway listen molly houses they were called and sodomy was so severely punished that gay men developed these sort of social spaces yeah but the crucial thing is the historians say right that these molly houses these gay brothels uh some people so just in your voice it always sounds like i'd love to go to a molly house these gay brothels i mean that's you talking about cafe nero for god's these bloody gay brothels cafe nero no i don't want to go to cafe nero i'm not gay but they argue that they went some men would go there for chit chat it wasn't just all buggery yeah for the boyfriend experience men would want the boyfriend experience i mean i would buy the boyfriend experience but the moral reform group they basically their mission was to eradicate uh all this molly chit chat including sodomy uh and they would use undercover arrests informants imagine being a straight i'll do this one yeah i'll do this one imagine being a a gay mole or a straight mole in the gay community it's like nigel you've been a gay mole for like 15 years you haven't caught anyone i'm deep on the cover if i if i catch them now it won't i need to get the whole ring at once deep undercover in there this whole thing is going to blow wide open um yeah i mean how much you can yeah how how how much do you need to show results before you it's like having to prove yourself in the drug cartel.
18:38Fint Taylor:Yeah. So the people suspect you've got to go in there and go down on everyone. Yeah. So you've got to kill someone immediately in the drug cartel to show that you're, you've got to suck them all off to show loyalty and then you've got to start blabbering to the straight and forwards. But by the 1720s, there was, uh, there was like, they were monitoring gay brothels in like, I don't know. I imagine like police outside donuts, but you get to mother, mother claps, Molly house, which was a coffee house. There you go. Cafe Nero in in holborn yeah and her house was a hub of underground gay social life from 1724 until 1726 when it was raided 40 men a night would gather and uh the raid in uh 1920 1726 it was when informants had been gathering evidence against mother collapse mother house yeah and gathering evidence and uh some patrons became informers themselves to avoid prosecution um or i i do think gay people make quite good informants go on chit chat right fair enough they love a gossip yeah um and so uh in the famous raid on the molly house constables surround the house on a sunday night prevent escape 40 men are arrested and taken to newgate prison police reported many men in various states of undress and behavior interpreted as deviant and i like this detail there was no actual evidence of anyone caught in the act of sodomy but circumstantial evidence such as unbuttoned breaches were cited in indictments.
20:01Fint Taylor:Well, if you're not catching me doing sodomy, can I not just say, can a man not hang out with his men? You know, we could be saying we were talking about, you know. You have a button under your trousers, you're a filthy homo, get in the bin. We could have been discussing what we're going to do about all these homos. With your flies undone. Yeah, exactly. I could be mother clap in another life, I'd say. I think so. Mother clap. I have a lot of gay male friends. I'm a bit of a fag huck, I'd say. She's just running a funny evening with her gay male friends. Yeah. So you'd be running a gay brothel.
20:26I could see that for me in another life. Yes. it feels like something I would do for company
20:30Fint Taylor:or maybe you did that and you've been it's karma and you get reincarnated that you've done that in another life for sure but Mother Clap gets tried for keeping a disorderly house which is a euphemism for letting men have sex in it yeah disorderly my house is quite disordered at the moment well I guess it's not an orderly house there's a lemon party in my living room there's loads of men shagging in your house I guess it's not it's not a house filled with order get Marie Kondo in there's a bunch of gay blood in my kitchen but procuring sodomy and at her trial informants testify to the behavior seen at her house yeah the only defense she could mount was that she was a woman and therefore it cannot be thought i would ever be concerned in such practices wait so that's interesting that's a good defense right you're saying i'm a woman i don't know what gay men are yeah i wouldn't know i wouldn't even know if i saw it you know i'm putting the kettle on in the kitchen god knows what they get up to it's not my problem i'm just hosting my friends boys will be boys yeah that's the uh that's the michael barrymore defense marley's are gonna molly What happened with Barrymore?
21:24Fint Taylor:He hosted a pool party where a man allegedly got bummed to death in his paddling pool. Oh, now he's doing TikToks, this guy, yeah. Yes. It's what TikTok is for. It's a safety net for men who... Who have allegations. Sorry, explain it again, sorry. He hosted a pool party where allegedly a man got bummed to death at his pool party. Remember Jack, he had that great, great joke? What was it? When they found the poor man in the pool, he said he had seven types of semen in him. He said, well, my friends come around, we make pasta. I feel bad laughing at him though, but there he is. But was he bombed to death?
21:56Something happened. There was, you know, there's a cloud over it.
21:59Fint Taylor:I'm not a coroner, but I believe he was bombed to death. Right. Too much Mollian. Yes. The defence is, it was my pool party, but I'm not taking responsibility. And so he got off scot-free? I don't know. I mean, he definitely didn't do... What did he host? There's been some reputational damage. Yes. He's now on TikTok, I guess, is the punishment. One of the Mollies that got caught, Gabriel Lawrence, was a milkman. he was convicted of sodomy, hanged, and his body was publicly dissected for like a post-mortem analysis of what's going on inside a gay man's body. Oh, like a phrenology sort of thing.
22:32Fint Taylor:Like sort of, yeah. Right. Are you aware of phrenology? No. Is it where they stove people? No. This is science that Finn's trying to bring down. I'm an amateur phrenologist. It's the study of people's head sizes versus their IQ. Yeah. Very good. Which the Irish, they didn't come off well in the phrenology times. I'll say that. don't you know when they found it a woman's brain is smaller than a man's you're speaking my language yeah however the talent came back to say we are of equal intelligence we've just packed ours better phrenology was before that woke nonsense came in so it's like a tarp boot phrenology was it's just about the size of the head is the phrenology what's it when you you know those big kind of yeah you see the diagram of the brain and it's like this part of the brain is for interior design this is your pedo button there's a pedo button that you hope you don't push I remember reading something somewhere before.
23:21They were saying that's why a lot of men get aroused by women urinating on them because the urinary part of the brain. Here we go.
23:26Fint Taylor:This is good. And the sex part of the brain, they're beside each other. Now, again, facts are fudged. If you fall off a swing when you're four years old, you might hit your sex bit into your piss bit. Yeah. Sodomy remains legal until 1861. Underground gay networks persist in London to this day. But this is not actually underground. They're just clubs. I imagine. But it's not actually underground, right? Like this is not, it could be. I've never seen one. Yeah. Can you do these Café Nero's? You just see men burrowing down with their head torches. They're now called Costa Coffees, Café Nero's, whatever you want to call them.
24:00Fint Taylor:I'm not going in one. It's called The Great Show. When Thatcher closed the mines, this is why it's all come up since then, right? Yes. Think about how it's no longer underground. It's because they don't have a place to do it anymore. Now, Victorian London was not a great place to be a sex worker. Right. This is Jack the Ripper's, you know, He was wreaking havoc on Victorian prostitutes. Well, can I say something? Please. You're so in sync. I read something recently where I was saying that there's actually no evidence that those women were prostitutes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But there's a big book saying that the word prostitute for those women was anyone who wasn't married.
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24:39Fint Taylor:Yeah. It's called The Five. Yes, I read it. And this is what Finn believes as well. But I dispute that. Okay. Yeah. but I also call any woman who's not married a prostitute it's why we've got you on to talk about sex this little harlot from up the road so she gets around it's a great single comic I know Joanne's that prostitute comic the slag with gags now Victorian yeah you're right they weren't prostitutes they were just up at night I guess I know they're just on a late one walking getting their steps in suspicious that's all I'm saying now in Victorian London there was a quote common prostitute which was a which maybe is what that was a woman who didn't have a husband common prostitute but eventually law ruled it was anyone offering sex for gain was a prostitute I mean that is literally what sex is yeah that's what we're trying to talk about in the last episode it's like what level is the transaction prostitution it's always a transaction of sorts exactly I do it for lifts yeah bit of affection yeah at what level is that you know airfare eye contact but even like marriage is a trend isn't it you know of course it's a long-term sex sex money income cleaning if there's nothing in it for me i won't do it yes everything is transact in the other room they're just honest about it yeah or sometimes as well on dates i'm like i'm a little sex worker because if i'll if they're like oh i'll get this but i know i'm never going to see them again i won't let them but if i know i'll probably hook up with them at some point i'll let them pay so why won't you well you won't let them because then they expect too much from you yeah i'm like you know i'll let you pay it because if i i i know that if you pay yeah you there's an expectation i think it's really mean to let a lad pay in the cage and then just walk up into the night yeah yeah that's not fair i do think that there is fantasy dog's home you're smashing on the cage with your cage yeah yeah you're right yeah you know what i mean i do yeah yeah that's fair but so i guess if you're on a date with you and you offer to pay you'll know if I'm like no no ratio no no I'll get this you know it's not happening interesting now it wasn't until the 1890s after disputes about West End mansion flats being let to women selling sex that courts decided a brothel was a place with more than one prostitute working right that's good to clear that up isn't it otherwise it's just a house really isn't it yeah or a cafe near it yeah just a woman's home just a woman's fucking hell every woman's house is a brothel the second her friend knocks in at the brothel.
27:10Fint Taylor:You live in a brothel. Are you a brothel owner or are you a brothel resident? A brothel owner. That's nice. Yeah. I'm all right for myself, you know. So now the statistics were obviously wildly inflated, but because people were panicked about the scourge of prostitution. Someone estimated there were 80 ,000 prostitutes in London. Yeah, but that's them looking out the window going, oh, he does include any woman who's not married. Right, right, right, right. In reality, there was somewhere around 8 ,000. So this is around the time we jacked the Ripper. You can't be too careful, I think. I think it's better The term is broad.
27:40It's quite the umbrella when it gathers quite a lot of women underneath it, doesn't it?
27:44Fint Taylor:Yeah. Well, is that why there's broad? Is that a slang for a prostitute or just woman? Brass, isn't it? No, that's police. Brasser is prostitute. Have you got any Irish slang for prostitutes that would be unique to Ireland? I don't think so. Slag's a very English term. Yeah. Slags. Harlot, that's a very English term as well. Nothing that strikes me. Nothing in Gaelic. Hoorah. Hoorah. Hoorah. Hoorah. It's a variation of four. Or Oral Alley. Brasser comes from Cork, maybe. Oh, is it? Maybe Brasser's an Irish thing. Hewer. Hewer. Are you from Cork? No, Dublin. Right, okay. Yeah. Could you not tell the accent?
28:19I could tell. Cork is very lilty.
28:22Fint Taylor:Yeah. And you're north. Dublin. South Dublin. Yeah, and it's the other way. What's the rougher part? Well, stereotypically it's the north side of Dublin. I didn't want to say, but I get confused between rough Dublin and Cork. Yes. So it's why I said cork. And then you've, you've got to just. So I'm posh Dublin. Oh really? Yeah, I know. You think I'm just bono with tits. You can't tell, but I am. I get a lot of shit in Ireland for my accent. It's the most hated accent in Ireland, apparently. Is it? According to my people in my DMs. Is it like, what is that? D6? It's very privileged. It's like that real, like what would you call it here?
28:57You know, that really posh English accent. It's like Laura Koosberg,
29:00Fint Taylor:posh Scottish. Yes. Well, it's all fine. That fires me up. Like, you know, the Chelsea. It's kind of Chelsea. Right. Assumed privilege. Everyone thinks you're a cunt. Right, right, right. But then Conor McGregor's from the rough part. That's your bloody podcast co-host. Don't be so hard on them. And then Cork is... Whose horse is that? Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. A little less offensive. Someone hating a taxi in Cork. No, Beamish is great. It's great. Anyway. Very kind of you, Finn. Thank you. I have got so many tickets. I'll send word back. I've got so many tickets to selling Cork. They've booked a big old theatre.
29:37Fint Taylor:Where are you doing a Cork? The Everyman, which I'm excited about. It's such a nice room. It looks amazing. Yeah. But, um, no, top 20. This is why I'm here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it now. It's all making sense. And also, you should say, your tour is called, it's one of the greatest names for a tour I've ever seen. Go on. Pino-phile. Pino-phile. Joanne likes to drink, and she's called a show Pino-phile. Pino! Do people shout that in the audience? No. I'm women, I'm a female audience. They're not like at a football match. They're not hooligans. Pino! Pino! Because if our fans come at the stage door, they'll ask you who you're there to meet and stuff and they'll try and vigilante arrest you.
30:11Yeah. How's the queue for your toilets in the break then? Well, we have to open the lads. Really? Yeah.
30:16Fint Taylor:You have to knock through. We knock through. I have the opposite problem. Of course. Well, you see, the problem is that women - Can you guys do a two-hander? That's hilarious. That would be amazing. Yeah. At my tour show, I turn like the Hackney Empire into a fucking football ground. in that the toilets are just fucked. Yeah. But at least men have a quick turnaround time for the toilets whereas women there's queuing out the door and I'm like girls just fuck God. Are they putting their legs on their urinals? There was someone apparently there was a couple riding in the male's toilets in the last Dublin show.
30:43That's good. That's nice.
30:44Fint Taylor:Right so where are the Contagious Diseases Act in the 1860s is aimed at controlling syphilis among soldiers because people have gone back from the Crimean War. Florence Nightingale one of the first prostitutes. Prostitutes. Was she married? I don't know. You're right. Exactly. What a whore. Florence Nightingale was a dirty prostitute who infected many men during the Crimean War. I'm sure she did. I think she gave them all early aid. She revolutionized nursing. Yeah, I bet she did. Apparently syphilis is back. Is it? With a bang. Yeah, it's like the new fidget spinner. It's everywhere. I have a friend who works in sexual health and she said syphilis, the numbers are flying back up, which I thought it's quite quaint.
31:25Syphilis to me is very old school, like kind of. We're going back to basics though.
31:29Fint Taylor:I think syphilis is people die from syphilis it's bad it goes into your brain sends you lula yeah what are the what happens with syphilis what's the symptoms I don't know but I know that you do like a lot of the old kind of you know the olden day writers and stuff all had it it's almost like kind of a bit cool it's all yeah yeah I guess syphilis is cool yeah I'd like to bring syphilis back like Pete Doherty kind of romanticised drugs I'd like to do the same for syphilis syphilis dysentery these are all old school dysentery gout I think gout's come back in I know people who have gout Tom Lucy has gout in his toe Tom Lucy's got gout That's quite funny, he's very off brand to have gout But he's well off, it's kind of a rich man's game I guess you're right It's a lot of like goose and anchovies Yeah, pate Yeah It's a pate tax gout Anyway So Florence and I's a girl, filthy brass that she is Infects a load of soldiers During the Crimean War For Christ's sake Florence, it's a war zone You take that dick out your mouth and start healing people.
32:31Fint Taylor:Anyway, these...
32:36Fint Taylor:Women have to go regular genital inspections with speculums. Women? Is it women, Phoebe? No, it must be men. Now, speculums, that's not that biscoff spread. Oh, sorry, the prostitute. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's a speculum? That's not biscoff. Is it a winch? Is it a fanny winch? Biscoff spread is speculoos, I believe. Okay, right, right. Speculum is some kind of... But is it like, you know, when you're lifting a car up and you like winch it up? It's a fanny jack. Yeah. Let's see under the hood. Yeah. See what's going on down there. Yeah. I like to go down to my wife with a little trolley like that.
33:11Fint Taylor:With wheels. A wheel underneath there with a head towards it. Just under the hood like that. You come back oil stains off. Even blackface. Yeah. Big oil spill underneath there. Christ. Anyway. Yeah. So these prostitutes had to undergo these speculums inspections. and refusal would mean arrest or prison. Basically what we learned from the last episode is that everyone had a pretty liberal understanding of sex work. It was sort of built into the culture. It wasn't a big deal. And it was just basically British Victorians. Yes. Who we're like, we're like outliers. We viewed it as sinful and disgusting and shameful.
33:42Fint Taylor:And then because of the British empire, we just exported that. So basically every other culture has been sort of fine with it. Yeah. Until the... Oh, like India, Japan, you know, sex work is, it's not a pejorative. There's no stigma to it. It's just part of life. and it's British on a boat saying get that get that out of your mouth immediately and you know yourself the more you the more you add shame to something the worse it gets the worse it gets yes I was in Amsterdam recently and I was walking past a woman in a window and it was like 10am and I was like how the fuck is she doing that at this time in the morning well you don't know what shifts are no but like imagine having to ride a stranger at 10am but I guess it's like still bright outside and there's lads walking through like they're looking for omelettes like they're looking for their breakfast you want but i guess you get into the mode where it's just the job right i'm a night rider even if it was in a professional like working retail like retail like what's what what standing your feet in top shop for 12 hours yeah you know i don't they're both just jobs at the end of the day 100 yeah although yeah it is yeah it's a particular type of job yeah like i was i went to the museum in amsterdam the museum of prostitution and i think we've been kind of brainwashed and to think it's this really empowering thing because we're looking at Bonnie Blue and all.
34:56And then I went to the museum and I was like, this is grim as fuck.
34:58Fint Taylor:You know, for all the unshackling of shame, I sort of think I'd love my kids to do it. No, exactly. We're just used to seeing these young ones on TikTok with their Birkin bags and they're counting cash and they're gorgeous and they've had a night out with a Russian guy and then they're like, the reality of it though, it's not ideal. But then his OnlyFans is quite like a middle class element. There's quite a lot of middle class girls who do OnlyFans. OnlyFans is the access point is so easy now because back in the day, and it's obviously for the better and better, like sex workers down to walk the streets, they're safer.
35:26But it means like I could go home after a couple of drinks and be like, fuck it, get my tits out. And then suddenly it's kind of gradual. And then you're not making enough money because you're not getting your, you know, you're not doing it all. You're doing it anyway.
35:37Fint Taylor:You might as well charge for it. Yeah, but then you're like these 18 year olds. You're like, you're a sex worker now by accident and your parents open your parents attic. I mean, what I do know, a lot of friends who are not, I guess, like sex workers, but they'll have a creepy man on the Internet who will try and buy like one or two pictures. Really? Yeah. And I know a lot of people like that. Wow. He's the creepy man. You've had friends. I've been messaging the whole time. I'm messaging all my friends saying, can I buy some of your... I know a friend group where there's just one guy who's obsessed with all of them and they get drunk and they'll send him a couple of like bathroom selfies.
36:08Fint Taylor:For money? Yeah, for a bit of money. No way. I have a friend who keeps asking for more and more and then he asks for a vaginal video, as I call it. But I mean, it was only going one way. But then they screen recorded the porn and tricked him. So they said, that's not fair. That's not correct. You're livid. That man's been mistold. I want to start adverts saying, have you been mistold vagina pictures? I had a girl, she wrote into the podcast, I do, and she said that when she's sending like sexy photos to lads, she numbers them because you know what lads are like they send the photos around to their mates so she's like if anything gets out or like it comes back to me I'll know she has like an Excel doc of who she sent number 103 yeah she'll be like oh Horatio I sent that to Horatio which means he's the leak right he's the one that's also unfair I don't think you should be doing that no that's not is there no honour honour amongst thieves my personal group chat with my friends is my business you know right now The point is that Victorian laws are still with us today.
37:13Fint Taylor:Brothel laws from 1885 persist, making it illegal for women to work together indoors. I think that's across any business. So your podcast with Vogue. It's a crowd. We're underground. We should say you host a big podcast with Vogue Williams called The Rapist Ghosted Me? That's it, yeah. Always thought it was a weird complaint. So the rapist hosted me actually. Weird, weird complaint, I think. I will say we were, they put ads down in the tube stations and Global, who we do it with, they did these like, I don't know why, it was a weird design choice. They're kind of stacked, the posters are stacked because Global News Agents were in front.
37:54And then we were kind of coming out the left and another podcast coming out the right. The way it was, it was just my face and rapist over it because of whatever way. And Vogue was annoyed. She's like, I'm not in it. And I was like, fucking lucky you. I'm just standing in the tube but rapist over my head.
38:09Fint Taylor:It's a public safety ad. Listen to the newsagents also. This one was a rapist. Anyway. I'm just down there signing it and standing for photographs to lie to myself. Hans Christian Andersen would go to brothels just to cry and talk to the women. There you go. That'd be, that's something I could accommodate. Yeah. What did he do again? I forgot. He wrote... Kids books. Kids books. What was his big ones? Peppa Pig. Peppa Pig. He did Hansel and Gretel, didn't he? He did the big ones, the heavy hitters. No, it's The Little Mermaid. I get confused with him in The Grim Tales. I think it's The Little Mermaid.
38:43Fint Taylor:Oh my God, you're dead right. Yeah, Hans Christian Andersen did The Ugly Duckling. In 1885, the age of consent was raised from 13 to 16. Madness. It made procuring girls for prostitution illegal. Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. At Equinox, that's high performance loving. everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox. Start today at equinox.com. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.
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39:45Fint Taylor:Star Wars, The Mandalorian and Grogu is now streaming on Disney+. What are you waiting for? Hop on. The must-see galactic adventure comes home on Disney+. This is the way. Our only chance is to work together. I like this kid. Always wear your seatbelt. Star Wars, The Mandalorian and Grogu. Now streaming on Disney+. Read PG-13. Let's get into sex during wartime. Now, during World War I and II, sex, prostitution and venereal disease became matters of military discipline and national security. I still think there's some value in framing it as this. For Christ's sake, we're at war. war with gonorrhea yeah get your get your brain out of the gutter kind of thing yeah they feared the impact of syphilis and gonorrhea on manpower morale and combat readiness so the result was what historians call a prophylactic dictatorship which is probably what you experienced in Ireland with the SWAT team coming in to break coffee the kettle launch masturbator yeah so this was imposed on women rather than men of course obviously so in world by the end of the first world war nearly half a million hospital admissions among British and Dominion troops were due to VD, which is quite funny to be a veteran.
41:04Fint Taylor:They say, yeah, I served. Yeah, I've got injury. Yeah, my dick's a bit sore. And they're blaming women for this. It stings when I pee because of the Nazis. By 1918 alone, 60 ,000 British soldiers were hospitalised in France for VD. He's better putting their lives on the line. Would you not let them have a ride? It's awful. But don't be doing that in a trench. I mean, trench foot's one thing, but trench dick, can you imagine? Wait, so what's the law saying? Don't shed brasses. Yeah. Christ. So VD basically cripples an army. Yes. Because there's no one hornier than an army, really. They also think they're going to die.
41:37Fint Taylor:Yeah. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Go for it. Was it World War II where they were rubbing the cloths on their vaginas and then throwing them out? Yes, it was. It was Dunkirk. Yeah. In Dunkirk, when the soldiers had arrived in, or just before Dunkirk, they'd arrived in France, World War II, they were bored because the Germans weren't attacking yet. so they women would rub their knickers or cloth on their like a tun tun cloth or whatever they just rub it on their fanny pussy cloth thank you they throw it out a window and then men would just kind of just try and find the cloth like sort of fish like swarming well I suppose that's what they sell you can buy knickers in Japan out of a vending machine dirty knickers yeah do you remember Orange is the New Black they're all posting their knickers out yeah it's big business Japan has dirty knickers vending machine.
42:27Fint Taylor:Yeah. It's really some fuck stuff. You see the men on the, on the tube in Japan and all, like it's fucking weird. Yeah. They have a very strange. don't they? They're into really weird stuff. Yeah, they are. And then you have like, there's like a school children bar. Yeah. But they're big into this hello kitty vibe. The, like the men are big into the. And then they blur the vagina and cocks in. And they're always crying. I had a guy, I had a guy, a friend of mine moved to Japan. He just said to his girlfriend, you don't have to fake cry. I'm not into it. because their culture is that the women kind of, you know, do I want to, do I not?
42:58Is it consensual? During sex, they fake cry. Yeah.
43:01Fint Taylor:Wow. I've never seen that on the telly. Yeah. You don't see it. But we were talking about the Americanization of... You've never seen the Japanese women crying during sex on the telly? What's going on? I'm trying to watch Family Fortunes. Why are these Japanese women crying? They kind of weep or it's like, maybe I don't want to, you know. Right, that's a big turn on. Yeah, so it's big over there, but he had to be like, listen, will you please stop crying? You're grand. Yeah. Unless it's real, unless you're genuinely upset and then we should talk about it. Yeah, but you wouldn't know because this boy cries wolf.
43:31Fint Taylor:No, you wouldn't know. She was faking it. That's why you should keep tears out of the bedroom. Yeah. You should, you're right. It should be a saying, it should be a, right, this has gone wrong. Yeah. Not like, oh, of course you're doing that again. You're always crying doing it. I know. What level are they crying? They're not like booing, are they? They're not like, it would be like ugly cries. Pathetic, pathetic. Is it even in? It's not like the end of Rocky. Age in. It's not coming down our face. It's like a cute, sexy, subtle cry. Yeah. No, it's not giggling now. She's crying. She's upset. And they're loving us.
44:07Fint Taylor:Yeah. I think split the difference. Do you know what I mean? And do what? A sigh. A sigh. You can sigh. I prefer a moan to a sigh. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of an eye rush. But this is a moment. Christ. Disinterest is attractive. There is something there. Aloofness. Go on then. Yeah. All right, go on. Just have a minute. Because people like feeling like they're the horny perv and that they just think they're disgusting. They like that dynamic. Yeah. Some of them, not me. Them. Them. All people like feeling like they're disgusting perv. Now, in 1914, Lord Kitchener, who's that guy with the tarot shoot, this country wants you, issues every British soldier a copy on the true character of the British soldier, like a little manual for the troops, advising them to avoid wine and women.
44:52Fint Taylor:But beer and men, have at it. Go for it. Get the pints and knock each other off, lads. We're going to war. Abstain from intimacy. The reality is that soldiers completely ignored it. As one officer put it, quote, it is not reasonable to expect young men to keep their chastity inviolate in war. Or more bluntly, General Patton said, if they don't fuck, they don't fight. Wow. So I guess it's like, you know, boxers. You're not meant to bust. Or any sport people, isn't it? I don't know I think boxing especially because it's all you know you need that testosterone yeah more than maybe yeah it's like it's semen retention I don't think badminton is being crippled by busting right before you don't know I got a friend of mine who's been on who's basically masturbated every day since he was 12 you've got a lot of friends you've got some weird sex stuff a friend of mine masturbated every day since he was 12 he started a diet of semen retention and he says it's actually been really it's changed his life what's sorry what is that do you know about semen retention I said they just retain semen This is about reclaiming male power.
45:47Fint Taylor:Your chat up lines have really got to start. Have you not heard about semen retention? Tell me more. No, it's basically, it's like a male discipline movement. That's about - This is all very Andrew Tate vibes. Very much so. It's sort of, look, there's books about it, semen retention. It's about reclaiming your masculine power, but the discipline are not busting. Yeah, this is our crypto ice bath, manosphere vibes. Did you watch the P. Diddy? Oh, yeah, yeah. Loved it. Everyone was like, they used to take my semen. Remember the - Yes, the sex worker. The sex worker who slept with Diddy and your one.
46:18Fint Taylor:Yeah. And he was like, what are you doing with this? Because he's... About 10 years. And eventually he was like, what are you doing with it? And he's like, it's what we just like. We like drinking it and playing with it and all. And he's like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah, what are you... What's your problem? Sorry, I paid you for your semo. I know. It's not up to you what I do with it. Yeah, but he said they must have been embarrassed because he never... They never did it again. Never took it again. What was weird about that whole documentary is all these people who've known him for 15 years. and they'll be like and that's when I thought maybe P Diddy's a bit weird it's like he's been punching women from the moment you met him I didn't know he killed Tupac and Biggie I didn't know that either that's crazy but that's what they implied I don't think he killed Biggie but he was very careless with Biggie I think he could be charged with manslaughter yes in that he orchestrated he let Biggie be killed I mean there's a lot of theories I just want to the documentary was just leaning into that theory yes just 50 cent grinning I've never seen someone so thrilled with themselves yeah he loves it loves it so VD was needed needed four weeks in hospital to be treated.
47:14Fint Taylor:Wow. And the manpower lost to wounds that were, quote, not sustained in the line of duty was substantial. So there were competing strategies. The moral prophylaxis was, this is Britain, the US, the Allies would state propaganda against the dirty women. There's loose women. Loose women, the show. Stop Vanessa Phelps from fucking our troops. We're never going to have a big enough defense budget if, what's another loose woman? Jane? Stacey Solomon? Stacey Solomon. She was a least woman anyway. I don't know if she still is. Oh, Judy Love. Judy Love. Judy Love cannot be let near a barracks. She will decimate it.
47:51Fint Taylor:She's this country's... It's like mustard gas. Judy Love would plough through RAF Bryce Norton in a day. Anyway, what would the French do? I imagine they tried to regulate brothels, nationalised sex work, essentially. What does that mean? and unionize them and all. It's like the NHS, but for brothels. Yeah. So there's a long waiting list, but it's free. Yeah. But it's like, I don't know. Sometimes you just want to go private. Mandatory registration of prostitutes. Now, what did Germany do? What did Germany do? In occupied Belgium and France, Germany introduced the strictest system of sexual regulation ever seen in Europe.
48:30Fint Taylor:Wow. In 1915, German authorities mandated registration of all women suspected of prostitution, i.e. I didn't see them with a boyfriend. They introduced twice weekly vaginal examinations. God, I love the Germans. My God. I'll do it myself. Have you had your twice weekly? Someone just created his own dream job. Twice weekly. Wow. That's one time too many in my opinion. I go in once a week. I don't have the time to go in for a second time. Twice weekly. What are you talking about male gynecologists? What's your view on that? I don't trust them. Yeah, there must be something going on there. It's a bit odd.
49:03Fint Taylor:You could have studied anything. It's like men who watch true crime documentaries and are like, what are you doing? What are you doing here? unless they're openly gay a male gynecologist I need it to be very clear but then I don't know if you want a gay come on come on you don't want a gay male must I but then you don't want that Sunday night he's getting the fucking Sunday scaries I have to go into work tomorrow they must become so desensitized to it wouldn't they? Like they just lose all interest and value to you. Yes. It's like, overexposure therapy. Start of saving private Ryan. What? Every, every day.
49:44Fint Taylor:Yeah. Yeah. Christ. Just be to come numb to it. Here we go again. You know, a lot of titillation is implying what could be. Yeah. Lingerie. It's sexy. You don't want to, you don't want to be, you don't want like a, the main light on or like a torch and really getting in there. It's all about the vibe. Exactly. Yeah. Just an anatomical drawing of a vagina. that's not really going to turn me on. No. Well, speak for yourself. Is that what you're masturbating over? Every man has some kinks, yeah. No man's an island. I like watching... I like masturbating to Dorian Kindersley. Cross-sections. There you go, that's hot.
50:20Fint Taylor:DK cross-sections of vaginas, that's what I like. No, I like lacy panties, is what you want. But the Germans established the Sittenpolizei, which is like the Iranian morality police, but Germans in World War I. Arguably, they've never really lost that, I think. No. But they have very woke views on, they have like big sex skyscrapers, like the brothel, the biggest brothel in the world in Germany. Do you know about this? I know there's, because I talk about it in the new, in Pinafile, there's men riding robots over in Berlin. Oh, really? But these robots are like, have you seen these? They're like high end.
50:53Fint Taylor:So German engineering sort of. Like, yeah, like proper. Like. Bosch. Yeah. Yeah. This sort of thing. Yes. I mean, that is scary. Yeah. and they come with preheated vaginas and all it's mental preheated vaginas lovely like underfloor heating sort of stuff you can detach their vaginas and send them off to be cleaned and fixed send them off well they're dishwasher safe I've looked into it that's what they take to the dry cleaners dry cleaners they're dishwasher safe and then but they do sometimes these lads are hammering these poor bitches so hard that they actually have to send them back to the they have to like send them back this one's broken yeah to get fixed Christ I know but then is it not better that they're doing it on it's all ahead of us but then is it better they're getting it out of the system or is it making them go further and further down the rabbit hole we don't know I think there's some men and indeed some women but more I think there's some men who the only way of them having any sort of female affection in their lives is going to be via doll so you're doll positive yeah brothels were taken over by the German army segregated by rank so you had blue lights for officers red lights for the privates in Bruges and Antwerp but VD centers treated over a thousand women in 1917 alone.
52:06Fint Taylor:These are more like prisons. The US obviously framed VD as a threat to American virtue. But General John Pershing refuses to issue condoms, believing they encouraged vice. This is like Prohibition time, though, isn't it? It's a similar time. It's just before it, but as much as the way you'd say, I'd refuse to issue sex dolls because they'd encourage poor behavior. So instead, they pursue abstinence, surveillance, and punitive medical treatment. Men suspected of having sex were subjected to forced genital inspections, post-coital chemical prophylaxis. What's that? Scrubbing the penis with a wire brush.
52:47Fint Taylor:Oh, Christ. What? Does that get rid of the gonorrhea or? Until the bladder was full. Mercury ointments. Right. And this was designed to be so painful that it would deter repeat offences. And if you didn't report your symptoms, you'd get a court-martial. But what if you like that? What if you're into that? Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Well, you've got your hands behind your head like this. Real freaks. I've been caught again. If I was a soldier, and my options were die on the battlefield or get VD and go to hospital for four weeks. Yeah, pick your trench sort of stuff. Yeah, I'd want to get VD and go to the hospital for four weeks.
53:22Fint Taylor:Wouldn't you? Yeah, I think so. So it means get you off the front line. Yeah. Could you get like a Victoria cross? It's gold. I don't know if she was giving those out. That was a different cross, I think. Dirty Victoria cross. Yeah. Victoria's Secret cross. There you go. It's in there somewhere. Now, we've been blathering on for a while, but what I do want to get to is that there was a concentration camp brothel. In Auschwitz, there was a brothel. So, you know, it wasn't all bad. But who was going to the brothel? it was um eastern europeans it wasn't the guards it was for people who were working there okay oh it was no so what it wasn't for the camp mates mates camp people it was for the people working at the camp no no nazi soldiers it wasn't for the nazi soldiers oh it was for some of the local area some of the inmates wow yeah um but they were there to feel very off brand.
54:17Fint Taylor:They were there to reward non-Jewish prisoners for good behaviour. Right. Okay. Both the non-Jewish ones. Yeah. And where are they getting the prostitutes? Eastern Europe. Right. Because that's where it is. They're not flying them in from Brazil. Big bunders. The Nazis viewed prostitution as an essential military provision but they also categorised sex workers as anti-socials because I think Himmler It's very social though. It's too social if anything but I think Himmler tries to clean up Oh no, Himmler expands state-controlled brothels so he basically the nazis had an nhs for prostitution they also so in the end of the war when hitler's just adhd flying off ideas it's all going wrong and he's like do this and he he won't fix it he'll just tell someone to do it they have to do it they'll die one of them was like to create these super like uber mensch aryan brothels where like blonde blue eyes perfect nazis would just impregnate as many women as possible there's like a conveyor belt it's like a farm yeah just trying to pump out as many like but they thought they thought brothels would make a racially pure society if you controlled who was having sex yeah oh right okay interesting anyway oh yeah brothels could prevent a contact with racially inferior women in quotes following the invasion of czechoslovakia himla made sex with women of the eastern deployment illegal oh yeah now loads after the war any people in france who'd had sex with uh german soldiers had their heads shaved publicly.
55:41Fint Taylor:Really? That scene in Game of Thrones. Shame, shame. Did that happen? That's kind of what was happening. They shaved their heads and then they drove them through the town and like humiliated them and all. But these women were obviously just riding them to fucking survive themselves. They were hardly dealing for the crack. Rides to survive. But I imagine like the French would make it like chic. Like I imagine it's like a Sinead O 'Connor sort of Amber Rose sort of thing. It was quite punk. Nothing compares. Any woman who had a relationship with the German was accused of horizontal collaboration.
56:07Fint Taylor:Nice phrase, isn't it? No, because I guess it's, yeah, you're lying on a bed. But they're French, so they could have been bent over a wine barrel. Who knows? Coming out of a dishwasher. Washing machine, actually. Yeah, French. Sorry. They don't get stuck in dishwashers. Just clear that fact up. It's a washing machine, yeah. The sex robots go in the dishwasher. Their parts do, yeah. The real life women go in the washing machine. It's the key differentiation with straight men. I hate to spread fake news like that. Now, who's going in the tumble dryer? That's what I want. stepdad stepdad stuck in the tumble trap help that's the you and your air fryer i'm not enjoying myself the disappointing sequel stepdad the first one went so well i don't know why no one like this one.
56:54Fint Taylor:Why did no one buy Stepdad gets raped in Tumblechire?
57:02Fint Taylor:Anyway, women who worked in French collaborationist brothels had their heads shaved and they were covered in tar and paraded through the street. Quite heavy stuff. Men hate women, don't they? They just fucking hate them. No, yeah, yeah. They do. Like, the hypocrisy around it is insane. What I will say is that this is women are very annoying is that what you mean? That's a counter. There are two sides I see your argument but I will defend the position and say you're absolute melters. You've no one to blame for yourselves. Go home and wash that tar off you. Yeah. In the washing machine please. Their stories don't end.
57:45Fint Taylor:Anyway. No. But I mean it's interesting that this is a country that had been collaborating with the Nazis and then they're freed. And then they feel, yeah, they were Instagram. Vichy was Instagram collabing with Hitler. They're backdating their criteria. It's more like they're obviously trying to expunge their war record. They're trying to like make themselves feel better about the fact that they were, you know, the most collaborations out of everyone. And so the men obviously feel emasculated. So they then take it out on the women by covering them in tires. For the first time in history. At least they didn't fuck them.
58:18Fint Taylor:Yeah, I know. They actually fucked them. So women had swastikas painted on their bodies, on their foreheads in red lipstick and they became known as Les Femmes Tendues, the Sean women. Did Coco Chanel get that? Because she was fucking a Nazi. Was she? Yeah, she was fucking a Nazi during occupation. Wow. So the scent of Coco Chanel number five. She likes a bad boy. It's the scent of Nazi. There's no better boy than a Nazi. Some of them were just following orders. Anyway. I don't want to hang. Anyway, that's, we've been blathering on for quite a while now. So that's sex work up to World War II. Wine and women were to blame for venereal disease amongst troops.
59:00Fint Taylor:Now, Joanne, you're on tour. Where can you get tickets? Speaking of wine and women. What a clear sign for. I know it's like, oh. The paenophile. The paenophile herself. Alleged paenophile. Allegedly. I'll be shaving women's heads, tarring men. Tarring, yeah. You should tar men who come to your gigs. I'm going to tar men, yeah. Where can people get tickets? Rapists. Just fucking shave their heads. JeromeMcNally.com. So when's this going out? This will be in New Year. First week of January. But if I've convinced anyone to buy a ticket, it'll be... Oh, yeah. I have two Apollos left. Amazing. I have a matinee at 3 p.m.
59:35on the 15th and an 8 p.m. show because I feel like the women at my stage, we're at our patriarchy early night stage. Lads, lads,
59:42Fint Taylor:get the fucking testosterone count in her audience up. Phenomenal comic. You sell more tickets. You must be one of the highest selling ticket. I mean, you sell more tickets. How many Apollos you done now? For a peanut file, nine. Nine. Nine Apollos. That's crazy. That's fucking crazy. That must be a record. It is. Thank you. I didn't know there were that many women in the country. But you know what I feel? If I was a single man, I'd be fucking strung out on all of them. Do you know what I mean? Roofing left, right, and center. You heard it here first. These guys don't need. Nine Apollos worth of women.
1:00:11Fint Taylor:A lot of money time to drink. That's what I'll say. Joanne, it's a dangerous, it's a dangerous play. She really wants to sell these tickets. there's a lot of obviously I'm taking the piss I do not encourage roofing no listen telling our audience to bring Rupi's to your gig is a dangerous flame I did a gig they're not listening to this bit because they've already got they've left the house already I did a gig the other night the second I came on they fucking switched off no they do have a problem with irony this lot I did a gig the other night I came on stage someone did a full Hitler salute at the front row you need to be careful with what you tell these people for a laugh are you sure it wasn't a high five that went wrong it was full Roman he was full Roman and he recently commented on the Patreon saying I was with my new workmates.
1:00:49Fint Taylor:I've been in the job one week and I'm not sure I'm going to last ever patient here. Yeah. Full Nazi salute of the work social. I was offered a role as a contributor on GB News. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the email was like, we think she'd be a great fit. And I was like, what have I said or done? What have I accidentally tweeted that GB News think I'd be a great fit? Do you know what I mean? I don't come across as particularly right wing. Do I? Save GB News for when everything collapses, right? Yeah. That's on the way down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No one's doing nine Apollos and GB News. You're doing one or the other.
1:01:22Yeah, true, true, true.
1:01:23Fint Taylor:Anyway, go and see Joanne on tour. Joanne's going to stick around. We're going to talk about hysteria on our Patreon. Grace. The female orgasm. Does it exist? We'll find out. Let's find out. Thanks so much, Joanne. We'll see you next time. Goodbye. Goodbye.
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Comic powerhouse Joanne McNally joins us to talk sex work from the Victorian era onwards, and also to act as the Pope’s representative on the Quickshot Launch Masturbator 3000
The History of Sex Work (Part 2/2)
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00:00 - serving c*nt
04:03 - Do you like neckbeards?
07:58 - He strumpets
11:17 - Arcane slurs
14:31 - Molly houses
16:12 - Mother Clap
21:24 - Victorian Prostitutes
24:03 - overrun with whores
27:59 - contagious diseases act
31:22 - Modern day sex work
34:22 - Victorian laws
36:14 - World War sex
40:37 - Wine and Women
44:20 - German prostitutes
47:52 - Chemical prophylactic
49:34 - Nazi brothels
54:48 -Pinophile
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