In short
The early Space Race, framed as a Cold War contest whose origins are traced to Nazi rocket development (V-weapons) and the postwar “paperclip” recruitment of German scientists, leading up to Sputnik and early US failures/successes.
Guests
Horatio Gould (co-host/host) and Finn (the other host, “Finn vs. History”). No other named guests appear; the episode is primarily host-to-host discussion.
Guest backgrounds
Horatio Gould is presented as a history podcaster/host. Finn is presented as a history/comedy podcaster/host. Neither is given detailed biographical credentials in the transcript.
Key claims
Nazis “start everything” in spaceflight via Wernher von Braun and V2; von Braun and other scientists were effectively absorbed by the US through Operation Paperclip; the USSR advanced faster in missiles/space due to rocket-genius Sergei Korolev and earlier strategic-missile development; US panic after Sputnik drove rushed programs like Vanguard, which exploded on live TV.
Notable examples
V1 “doodlebug,” V2 “vengeance” (first man-made object into space ~65 miles), Peenemünde bombing, V2 production using concentration camp labor at Nordhausen/Buchenwald, Operation Paperclip, Sputnik 1 and Sputnik 2 (Laika), US Vanguard failure (“Flopnik”), Explorer 1, and NASA’s creation (1958).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Fragility of Earth and Borders
2:19 to 3:54
Engage in a provocative discussion about perspectives on immigration and environmental issues.
“When you see the Earth as one thing, you realise we're not just a collection of nations.”
Introduction to the Space Race
3:54 to 6:31
Explore the historical context and significance of the space race and moon landing.
“This is the history of the space race and the moon landing.”
Nazi Contributions to Rocket Science
6:31 to 14:00
Delve into the role of Nazi scientists in the development of early rocket technology.
“But really the story starts with a man named Wernher von Braun.”
Werner von Braun's Controversial Legacy
14:00 to 14:54
Learn about Werner von Braun's complex history and the ethical implications of his work.
“And it's all because this guy, Werner von Braun, who is obsessed with rockets.”
Production of V2 Rockets
16:04 to 17:08
Explore the production of V2 rockets and the use of forced labor.
“So initially, they make it on this port called like Pinamunda.”
The Dark Side of Innovation
17:08 to 18:15
Discuss the moral implications of technological advancements during WWII.
“Getting concentration camp slaves to build an underground lair.”
Conditions in Concentration Camps
18:15 to 19:04
Understand the brutal realities faced by those forced to work in camps.
The V2's Impact and Legacy
19:04 to 20:56
Learn about the V2 rocket's devastating effects and technological significance.
“Yeah, what was the, Charlie, can you Google what was the nicest concentration camp?”
Von Braun's Ambitions
20:56 to 22:29
Explore von Braun's aspirations for space and his relationship with Nazi leadership.
“because it comes faster than the speed of sound.”
Operation Paperclip
22:29 to 24:25
Investigate the U.S. efforts to recruit German scientists after WWII.
“That's why I'm a little confused about how much of a prison this is coming through.”
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Nazi Influence on NASA
24:25 to 28:00
Discuss the controversial transition of former Nazi scientists to NASA.
“In that the Americans and the Soviets are then battling for the best of Nazi talent.”
Nazi Scientists and NASA's Formation
28:00 to 29:36
Explore the controversial ties between Nazi scientists and the early days of NASA.
“Can you Google Kurt Heinrich, is it Debus?”
The Soviet Space Efforts Begin
29:36 to 30:36
Learn about the Soviet Union's advancements in rocket technology following WWII.
“So like, but they're trying, a lot of the reason why it takes so long is that they're trying to wait as long as possible to use von Braun, who's ready to do it.”
The R-7 and Nuclear Capabilities
30:36 to 33:16
Understand the development of the R-7 rocket and its implications for nuclear warfare.
“And they launch dogs on the test rockets.”
The Dawn of the Space Race: Sputnik 1
33:16 to 34:38
Discover the significance of Sputnik 1 and its impact on the U.S. space program.
“They did their first nuclear test in the end of the 40s.”
U.S. Reactions to Sputnik and Launch Failures
34:38 to 36:55
Examine the U.S. responses to the launch of Sputnik and its related failures.
“They then try something after Sputnik and it basically explodes three meters into the air or something.”
U.S. Reactions to Sputnik and Launch Failures
38:30 to 39:46
Examine the U.S. responses to the launch of Sputnik and its related failures.
“Starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times.”
International Geophysical Year and Sputnik 2
40:56 to 42:05
Dive into the significance of the International Geophysical Year and the launch of Sputnik 2.
“Oh yeah, so in 1955, there's this thing at the UN called the International Geophysical Year, where they've all agreed to send something into space to gather data on the Earth.”
The Secrets of the Soviet Space Program
42:05 to 43:31
Learn about the secrecy and competitive nature of the Soviet space program compared to the US.
“A Soviet delegate offers the US, quote, assistance for underdeveloped nations.”
The Rise of von Braun and NASA
44:19 to 46:51
Explore the role of Wernher von Braun in NASA's early achievements during the space race.
“Now, 58 is when von Braun is finally let off the bench onto the pitch.”
Early Lunar Missions and Failures
46:51 to 48:27
Examine the early lunar missions by the USSR and the initial failures of the US attempts.
Milestones in Space Exploration
48:27 to 50:26
Understand the rapid progress in space exploration during the late 1950s.
The Cold War and Space Race Narratives
50:26 to 52:49
Discuss the geopolitical motivations behind the ongoing space race and its historical context.
The Future of Space Travel
52:49 to 54:06
Reflect on modern efforts by companies like Tesla and Blue Origin in the context of historical space endeavors.
“the first gossipy women the first gossip in space is blue orbit yeah which is where you get five women you take them straight from a nightclub toilet so the first bottomless brunch in space Yeah, that's Katy Perry.”
Exploring Life Beyond Earth
54:06 to 56:01
Delve into theories about colonizing Mars and the implications of human activity in space.
“Well, in space, no one can hear you scream.”
Humorous Space Metaphors
56:01 to 56:48
Explore absurd and humorous analogies related to space and human behavior.
The Male Perspective on Space
56:49 to 57:26
Discuss the historical context of man's presence in space and the moon landings.
“So man is in space, which as we've said, the Nazis did it first, but the Russians have sent, dogs are in space.”
Controversial History Insights
57:27 to 58:20
Dive into the provocative connections between historical figures and events.
ADHD and Historical Figures
58:21 to 1:01:26
Examine the humorous and controversial discussion on ADHD related to historical figures.
“Stay in school because my dick's too small.”
Transcript
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2:25Wow. When you see the Earth as one thing, you realise we're not just a collection of nations. We're actually just one single people, the human race with one shared destiny. That's incredible. What are you getting? We've got to stop the boats. Stop the boats? I can see them from here. There's so many of them. It's a fucking invasion. I saw the border. How are you saying that? We need stronger borders. My word. How are you getting... We're defenceless. You're not feeling connected? They're just walking in. Are you not seeing how fragile the earth is? We need to protect it. They're not economic migrants.
2:58Bollocks. What are you seeing this? Those are working age males. Why are there not women on the boats? No, but what about the oneness of being? We're all one people. Fuck that. Britain for the British. That's what I'm getting. But are you not seeing the fragility of earth and how we need to go back and protect it? No, I'm thinking, why on earth am I recycling when there's all that blue stuff I could just shove my shit in? No one lives there, do they? Yeah, I know, but it's affecting the heat. Why am I washing out my glass jars? Don't you see that the earth is screaming out to be loved and cared for?
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3:52Welcome back to Finn vs. History. I'm with Horatio Gould. So infinity and ciboyond. Today we're going to space. Shit. We're in space. Wow. Oh, but another one. Wow. It's bourgeois in space. Yeah. This is the history of the space race and the moon landing. Yes. I get quite melancholy about this topic, actually. why because uh it's sort of the last time it's annoying that it wasn't the start of like a whole new era of history it's kind of like as good as it got in some ways sort of yeah it feels like it's the most jealous i was to not been alive during i'm jealous that the americans did it you know it feels like that i look back on that the most as if i wish i was there but also it's the last sort of time of genuine awe yeah the last time anyone had any awe for anything yeah exactly like now it's bourgeois with a gopro and it's like that originally for views and i know yeah he should be up there going i mean because he's left himself no room in the emotional scale has he right if he's going a fucking you know like an s-class train from the 80s you stick him in a in a pot up there and you see like the view of the earth whatever what's he gonna do just melt he's not bothered but the most exciting thing about this topic is that we uh it begins in the sauna of nazi science i could not believe doing research for this how much the nazis have a role in this the nazis arguably win the space race it's absolutely extraordinary really when we talk about the space race it's the race for second place because hitler did it in finn 44 and no one talks about it no one talks about the space nazis no some people do the space right to be fair my hairdresser who's like he was into q anon in 2013 right so like proper yeah yeah yeah die on the wall yeah exactly he was talking about nazi space race right so the there's there was guys before you know who are really into it my hairdresser yeah it's bald which i think is a red flag it's like a dentist with no teeth yes that is weird bald hairdresser um now yes the nazis uh the sauna of nazi science fuck me it's hot in here but i like it it's good it's good there's health benefit how long should i stay in here it's fucking hot in here but i'm enjoying it that's nazi science cold plunge of of leaving nazi science and then run back in run back in quickly i want to stay in for half an hour cold plunge of recycling and listening no the cold plunge of medieval history back to the sauna of nazi science me and the boys with the towels on just just talking about ideas now um starting a dialogue uh the cut this is we're in the cold war really um but really that starts in world war ii uh and now in our next episode we'll be dealing with the moon landings and manned space flight.
6:31But really the story starts with a man named Wernher von Braun. The big star. The star of Nazi science. I mean, I don't know. They should make a film about this guy. Really? Yeah. It's a fascinating narrative. Well, it feels like they're quite squeamish about the whole thing. Fair enough. But I'm not. No. I don't know why we're not shouting more about the fact the Nazis went to space. They won the race. You know, they are Usain Bolt and everyone else. Yeah. I mean, in terms of their racial theory, they won. Yeah, they won. They won the race. They did it. And Hitler would have landed on the moon much earlier had the Allies not defeated him.
7:11The what ifs in this scenario are extraordinary. Imagine the first words on the moon. That's the man's first... As he lands on the moon, beautiful words beamed across the world. So this starts with the German sort of naughty weapons. Right. They were by far the most ahead in rocket science. Yeah. So this guy, Werner von Braun, he's a real rocket botherer. But before rocket bothering was even a thing, is he one of the... So his dissertation at university gets classified by the German army. Because they're like, hang on. Hang on, this is, yeah. This spec, he comes onto something here. So that only gets released in 1960, but he's all about liquid-fueled rockets.
7:56And the reason the Germans are so obsessed with rockets is that in the Treaty of Versailles, they were forbidden from building a lot of different types of weaponry and army, but no mention of rockets, because I guess they weren't really a thing in 1918. So they go hell for leather on rockets from quite early on in the Nazi regime. But then I think around 1942, 1943, things are going bad for a friend of the pod, Adolf, and his boys. the stag do is starting to come unstuck. Yes. They haven't been to bed for three years. And the light's streaming through the window and they're thinking, oh, fuck, what's Ava going to think?
8:38We're in Russia. We've made a real pig's ear of it. Now, they start coming up with these sort of wonder weapons as a way to try and turn the tide of the fight. The first one is called the V1, which is known as the Doodlebug. and this is sort of like an early drone basically the first kind of idea of a modern rocket or like the drawing of a missile as we'd imagine it yeah missiles aren't a thing there's artillery yeah stuff like that there's shells yeah but the the actual missile doesn't exist at this point they've just been getting bigger and bigger and bigger cannons yes that's what they actually i heard this morning that the there were four there were four weapons in total in the v program the vengeance weapons v1 v2 which is the main one in this series v2 but there's a v3 that was a huge cannon from france pointed at london oh right basically just the biggest cannon you can imagine to just fire a ball at london and obliterate it now the v1 was called the doodle bug that would like buzz in the air and then its engines would you have to sort of catapult it from like a little runway okay if you can hear a drill uh people are drilling downstairs we've got nazis working on the v4 yeah we are doing a space program ourselves this podcast we want to go back to the moon and plant a swastika on the lunar surface as it should, that should be the first flag on the moon.
9:54He's not having any of it. He's not having any of it, but they won the race. Now, we'll get to the race for second place. There wasn't really much innuendo there. We want to go to the moon and plant a swastika. I believe in earnest speech. We went on Chris Williamson's podcast. We talked about the problem with ironic speech. Yeah, it's true. when we were brought on say what you mean as experts yeah it was great it was great going on that podcast but Chris earnestly asked us about history but it turns out you do know we don't know anything it turns out compared to him we know quite a lot he'd never heard of Clem and Attlee had no idea who he was anyway um I suppose him hosting a podcast called Modern Wisdom is the exact same as us holding a history podcast isn't it it's just that we're we're joking and he's not yeah he's wisdom fan TV he is yeah philosophy fan TV anyway uh yeah join the patron to help us fund putting a swastika on the moon uh what was the the germans start invent a rocket called the v2 this is the key this is the key one yeah uh the v1 was a doodle bug that was kind of a drone and what i'm sorry charlie can you get a photo up of the v1 launch pad it was like a little missile with wings and they'd sort of basically pull it back like a big catapult right sort of little conveyor belt and it would shoot up in the air and it would have a little jet on, a little propeller on it and you would hear it above London and you'd hear this kind of like bzzz, which is why it's called a doodle bug and then the engine would cut out and then you'd know that you were fucked.
11:24If you heard it cut out, it was just going to boom. Yeah, way worse than the V2. So it's basically the idea of a cannonball that can fly. That's kind of what's new is they're getting bombs that have their own flight paths. Sort of, but you couldn't control it necessarily. But it had wings, it had an engine. And it had a jet propeller in it that you could press like an accelerant. That was the first time anything like that had been done. Yeah, yeah. It had a range of about 200 miles. So the Germans, I think they stationed them around kind of Holland and they just try and lob them at the UK. And they do cause a lot of damage.
11:57I think maybe 10 ,000, no, no, maybe 6 ,000 people die in the UK from V1 and V2. And so a lot of blitz bombs were V1s? No, this is after the blitz. Oh, right, okay. This is after the blitz. So this is when Hitler's basically backed into a corner. The rhythm is quickening. Big man up top. Yeah, exactly. It's getting exciting. Mad stung is happening. Yeah, it's like that scene in Whiplash. Hitler's on the drums. Just press all the buttons, fire the rockets. He's backed into a corner. You know, he's losing. Ten minutes to go. Right, get big man up top. V2, bang. Now the V2... Goalkeeper up for the corner.
12:33Goalkeeper's up for the corner. That's what this is. The V2 rocket is Schmeichel going up for the corner at the end of the Champions League final. So now the V2, which is the main weapon in this story, the V stands for vengeance because Hitler's annoyed. You know, you don't back Adolf into a corner. They're like 47 feet tall. It's very much are we the baddies sort of energy. Yeah, the vengeance rocket. It looks fucking cool, to be fair. This is the first ever sort of ballistic missile. uh 47 foot tall and it it traveled so fast that you wouldn't hear it coming wow yeah that's the classic that's still that the our concept of a missile right yeah like a rocket the v2 the rocket so this was a child's idea of a rocket yeah um and this is the thing that on its first successful flight uh left the earth's atmosphere and entered space about 65 miles up into the sky so is this It's the first flag in space.
13:37There's so many milestones that we're going to cover in this whole race. And it's between the USSR and the USA. But the first real milestone is the Nazis. Which is the first object fired from Earth. The first man-made object into space. Nazis. Right. Okay, right. So that's the beginning. Gold medal off the top. Of everything. The Nazis start everything. And it's all because this guy, Werner von Braun, who is obsessed with rockets. rocket bother he's a rocket bother uh and he is a member of the nazi party as of 1937 and then he's a member of the ss but he in his defense he would say he's doing all this because he needs to be inside the tent to let so that they let him play with his rockets and the united states have had to accept that because he's so fucking good at making rockets yeah they really like rockets as well they're like fine fine sure uh and now when we get into how they make this Maybe a blind eye has never been turned as hard as this.
14:34This might be the hardest blind eye ever turned. Yeah, yeah. The blindest eye. Yeah, because the way that they make the V2s is, and this is so exciting. I didn't know this. It's so exciting. Fall has never looked or tasted this good. Sweet Greens Fall Harvest Menu is back with seasonal favorites dressed to impress and made to be devoured. Warm roasted sweet potatoes, crisp apples, maple glazed Brussels, and crave-worthy flavors in the autumn harvest bowl, maple glazed salmon plate, and roasted bacon Brussels side. The season's most desirable menu has returned to Sweetgreen, featuring fall's best dressed.
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16:37And does that work? Yeah. So they bomb Pienemünde in 1943 and so they then have to move the production of the V2s into central Germany. So they then get 20 ,000 concentration camp inmates from around Buchenwald and they get them to burrow into a mountain in the middle of, it's called Nordhausen, in the middle of Germany, and they build a fucking Blofeld underground rocket lair. It's as evil as it gets. It is so fucking cool and nasty, but it's like proper James Bond stuff. It's so cool. It's cool. Getting concentration camp slaves to build an underground lair. Yeah, okay. It's fucking cool. No, forget the slave labour.
17:20Yeah, it's like Lenny Kravitz. Look, you've got an iPhone. You think that's cool. Look, everything great in this world has been built by slaves. The pyramids, iPhones, the trainers you were wearing when you came in. Anyway, it's an underground fucking Bond villain lair where they store the V2s. So this is a big thing in how complicit Von Braun was, right? He definitely knew about the 20 ,000 Jewish starved slaves. They weren't all Jewish. Were they not? No, there's a lot of Eastern Europeans. Right. So it was prisoners of war as well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, it wasn't a picnic for these fellas, right?
17:59And they were being worked to death. Okay. So they just - When are we working too? When do I go? Oh, right. Fine. You clock in. When do you get off? When I die. When I die, yeah. But to be fair, I mean, they do this from 43 onwards. To be fair. Interesting. To be fair. that you know we we have a long running go at the government for its failure to get infrastructure done we did talk about this is that the the real problem with hs2 human rights it's human rights yes exactly it kind of genuinely is everyone's like we used to build stuff we used yeah well yeah that's because we didn't really care if people died you throw people at a mountain and they will build an underground rocket there um so uh verna von braun is based here and so he definitely definitely knows that there are 20 000 uh are they not coming from the nearby concentration camp yeah right middle bow dora yeah which in the research says was infamous for its brutal conditions but it's a concentration camp so i don't know what infamous in what sense is it compared to other concentration camps oh you know it's not infamous for brutal it's a concentration camp?
19:10What are they doing? Yeah, what was the, Charlie, can you Google what was the nicest concentration camp? Of all the concentration camps. ChatTBT. ChatTBT. Oh no, they'll probably go woke up. Be all funny about it. What about the least horrible? Yeah, frame it like that. Like the kind of... Because that was the fat camp ones. That was a... Low security prison style. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Good behaviour. Where'd you get put to? Maybe they didn't know the concept of good behaviour, did they? Oh, come on, AI overview. Come on, don't be woke. Quote, it's not possible to describe any Nazi concentration camp as not horrible.
19:36I reckon they were all quite horrible yeah obviously they're all horrible we're a concentration camp but what's the best one to be in probably it probably is this one you know well they said this is infamous yeah so i don't know if it if there's something about it that's but at least you're building stands out in the worst place to be ever at least you're building something that will get us to the moon i mean you don't know that but in other camps they're just digging your own grave you're a big man for silver linings that's that's what listen let's chalk this one up in the pros okay cons holocaust allegedly bad pros the silver linings playbook big shiny rocket yes that's my version of civilized playbook it's me and jennifer lawrence and i'm just explaining to her how actually the nazi got to the moon so let's not rush to judgment jennifer also your fucking mentor i don't think i want to see you again that's what i would do um anyway so 7 000 people across the um across the war are killed by v2s but many more thousands die actually making them in the right of course in the slave labor mountain camp so not the most efficient death machine well well yeah it's just as death on the input as well as the output right um so it's not an effective missile basically no it's not an efficient missile but the technology is the beginning of everything.
20:55But it's absolutely terrifying because it comes faster than the speed of sound. So it's not like you see planes or hear them coming. So you're just not... I think the first one that ever lands is in Chiswick. People are just going about their day. And then just the next second, there's a 20-foot crater where six houses used to be. Oh, so there's a first V2 landing in... The first one in London. I think the first one might be in Belgium or Holland. Right, right. The first one lands in London in Chiswick and they're aiming for Charing Cross. Right. So they can't aim for shit. No. But London's such a big area that they hit a lot of stuff.
21:24I mean, this photo is amazing. This is from a V2 launch in Piedermunde. Just the look at that rocket and the design, that in the 40s, it doesn't look 40s. It looks like 15 years ahead of its time, at least. And so Werner von Braun, he's in the SS. At one point, he gets drunk and he goes to all the boys and he's like, we're losing this war. I don't know why they're making us concentrate on this missile. It's not going to work. I want to get into space. And then he basically is going to be court-martialed and shot and then Himmler intervenes and goes, he's really important. Because Hitler loved the idea of the big missile.
22:04Maybe because he had a micro-penis. I did watch that documentary I watched the documentary and they split it into two parts and so the micropena stuff they're saving for the second part which is very frustrating it was like you're watching a football team play come on come on come on come on yeah I'm like my dad watching the rugby come on come on get to the micropena ah fuck ah fucking idiots and then when they had this propensity for ADHD I'm like oh come on man we know this he was busy I did find it astonishing honestly Saturday night me and my wife stayed in to watch it event TV first time we've watched linear tv sorry we can't make it out tonight baby sister you put the kids to bed hit the hit the micropenial stocks on um but it presented very strangely how do you mean as in like they're saying he's got adhd and he's in the top one percent for predisposition to autism right and then they keep saying like but this doesn't excuse his actions and you're like well why are you why are you saying telling us this then yeah because it can't help but make you think oh right well you love trains i guess yeah and big numbers i do think it's yeah i do think on a more genuine note it's kind of ridiculous to keep bringing these things up because it equates them as if it's some sort of the adhd is completely irrelevant yeah yeah it's like what he famously got a lot done in a short period of time like so that's irrelevant um but also what what point are you making what is the point you're making he had adhd and autism oh okay that's what he did on the course i get it now anyway vernon brown wants to go to space and he is saved from court-martialed by Himmler and Hitler who intervene and say no don't court-martial him because he's our main rocket botherer wait wait why is he court-martialed because he's he's being anti-missile pros he's being defeatist and he's saying and Himmler or whoever is saying you're actually trying to get to space when really you need to be developing this technology to fire long-range missiles the only suspicions I have about all of this is this is definitely could be part of American propaganda right don't you think because they want to Selvon Brown is as un-Nazi as possible.
24:00Oh, I see what you mean. That's why I'm a little confused about how much of a prison this is coming through. Yes. Because it's completely within their interest because it's so embarrassing that the Nazis... I think they've got paperwork, I think. I mean, I don't know that. But I give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He got us to space. And by us, I mean the human race, not the Nazis. But they did win the race. Now, at the end of the war, tragedy. The Nazis lose. But straight away, the Cold War starts. Right. In that the Americans and the Soviets are then battling for the best of Nazi talent. Yes.
24:37They know that the Germans are way ahead of either of them in all this technology. And the US have this big night-night bomb. Yeah. Night-night! Yeah. But they think, Christ, if we could get that on one of von Braun's naughty rockets, we are golden. Yeah. We can tell everyone to go to bed straight away. Operation Paperclip, right? Yeah. The Americans had earmarked basically all of the... Which is not the Microsoft paper clip. No, it's not. Although I would like a Nazi paper clip to just pop up and give me tips. And something throughout, which also happened with East Germany and West Germany, is communist Russia, because there's actually a much deeper hatred of the Nazis because of how much more close quarters the fighting was.
25:18The denazification process in the East was far more thorough than in the West. the west it was a lot more open to like if you're good you're good you know but the east it was really like it was a much tougher and that's kind of what ended up happening with the space program as well and what you think what the soviets just took nazis no no the west was far more uh turning better at turning a blind eye i see well forgive and forget turn the other cheek yeah now operation paperclip is where a lot of these scientists uh they surrendered to the americans and as you say the americans go uh it was a bad few years we've all done stuff we regret he's a scientist he's not a politician he's a man of science it's apolitical yes your stuff was built by slave labor but anyway so uh they take vernon brown and his boffin mates to the america america now the soviets they uncover a v2 factory and they see some like fragments and they have a guy as well called korolev so the soviets have a guy called korolev who's like a once in a generation rocket genius he's their boy um and he starts he takes a few of the uh verna von brown's muffins because they have they had a space program from 1921 really rocket program so this is like lenin the end of lenin right right so they they have been investing in let's go to space and share it all yeah brilliant um space and missiles far more than the americans even though the america what's interesting is the americans lead the nuclear program through the manhattan project but missiles and space they're actually very behind on well part of the reason they put everything into nuclear part of the reason the soviets pull ahead is that the american uh hydrogen no the the russians hydrogen bomb is so heavy they need a bigger rocket to transport it yeah so the americans were dealing with much smaller bombs anyway should we go through key figures in operation paperclip yeah let's get the microsoft paperclip up and just tell us who are these um we we've won the war who are these nazi scientists that we should uh take home we've got arthur rudolph who's a rocket engineer investigate for war crimes renounces he's the one they do clamp down on he's the one who's who's not apologetic at all no he's basically i'll do it again do it again and it's like you gotta go doesn't even get arrested he's just gets kicked out he gets rudolph herman who's uh an avid nazi supporter he directs an expert in supersonic travel yeah so it cancels each other out basically um helmut walter who's a specialized specialist in peroxide technology um these are all like key so they're really entrenched in nasa basically yeah kurt heinrich yeah becomes the first director of nasa's kendi space center and is described as an ardent Nazi.
28:03This is crazy. Yeah. They're not even disavowed their Nazi. No. A lot of them are doubling down. Can you Google Kurt Heinrich, is it Debus? Debusy. Debusy. Debus. Kurt Heinrich Debus. What's the vibe in like the canteen there with all the other, when you just got like 20 Nazis? Well, I guess the shared language is science, right? Do you know what I mean? So I feel that no matter the political differences, you do have... No, that's a basketball player. Kurt Heinrich Debus. Kurt Debus was a committed Nazi party member during the third Reich. Joined in 33. Yeah, early Nazi. So right at the beginning.
28:37He got on the train early. He joined us the same year as Hitler. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you sort of can't really deny that. So he's a founding member of the Nazi party. No. And NASA. Yeah, I mean, well, NASA is very close to Nazi, isn't it? NASA. Nasty. Nasty. Nazi. There you go. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's true. Yeah, the Nazi. Oh, it all makes sense now. Oh, the Nazi space center. Yeah. Did he revoke his views or something? Let's type that in. There was no record of him ever publicly renouncing or apologizing for his Nazi involvement. No public statements of regret. So I guess he never spoke.
29:13No comment. Right, no comment. Just no comment. Leave. Leave that. Yeah, fair play. None of your fucking business, quite frankly. He's had, the top order's been absolutely shattered. Yeah. Just leave everything, I reckon. Yeah. See it out. Yeah. So the Americans nick all these boys. Yeah. They put them up in Alabama, Huntsville. But remember, America this whole time are trying their best to not use the Nazis as well. But they just can't. They're just so behind. They're scholars. So like, but they're trying, a lot of the reason why it takes so long is that they're trying to wait as long as possible to use von Braun, who's ready to do it.
29:45Von Braun's like, I've got all the things. Get me on the pitch, lads. And he's like, well, let's just see if our guys can do it. And it keeps fucking up. And they're like, yeah, let the Nazi do it then. It's an under 12s team with Messi on the bench. And Messi's like, get me on there. And they're like, no. They need to learn. Anyway, the Soviets, as you said, they've been doing this since the 20s. The early pioneers include Sergei Korolev, who is the future mastermind of Sputnik. Now, he, during Stalin's great purge, had been banged up in a gulag. And with that goes all kind of rocket knowledge.
30:16So when the USSR entered Germany in 1945, they capture a lot of V2 factories and some of the engineers, and they rebuild the German rockets as R1, which entered service in 1950. Now, the R-5 Pobeda, 1955, this is the first real Soviet strategic missile which is capable of carrying a one megaton warhead. And they launch dogs on the test rockets. They're not going into space, I don't think. They're just firing dogs across the world. Now, the R-7, this is the big one. This is the rocket that is designed from 53 onwards, can carry up to a six ton nuclear warhead to America. Yeah. So from 50, 53 onwards, the Americans are really like, they're like, fuck, okay, we're falling behind here.
31:02This has got four strap-on boosters. Yeah. Also, they've gone nuclear cable. Charlie's woken up. Yeah. Not your kind of strap-on boosters. A strap-on booster, is that a strap-on on top of a strap-on? Yeah, is that for short people getting pegged? Yeah. Would you be wearing, do you wear a strap-on booster? I do wear a strap-on booster. It's like a car seat booster. Yeah. Yeah, there's a booster seat with a dildo in it, basically. It's a high chair with a dildo. Yeah, but for adults. For adults, yeah. Yeah, because you do see those things. What are those machines with the, like, you have levers and you sit in a chair and it's got stirrups kind of things?
31:36What, the Pilates machines? Almost. The Reformer Pilates. Like Reformer Pilates, but there's a dildo on it. All right, like a Reformer dildo machine. Can you buy them in the shop or do you have to make your own? I don't know, Charlie. Can you buy them in the shop? Yeah, Argos. Yeah, because rockets, I believe they have three-stage, like, boosters, don't they? yeah who do the rockets oh right but the equivalent would be you have a really really big strap on and then when it gets you get tired you make it slightly smaller yeah and then you just have your dick at the end I think and that's when you get to space that's a way I guess to fuck a woman into space I don't really know what I'm saying yeah Charlie not sure no I'm not sure either normally it's just analogue just get the dildo and just like ram it in there I guess old school none of those woke bollocks I guess ram it in there I guess yeah you know you know trends are temporary but class is permanent exactly you know knees in the dirt with a dildo up your bum the rolex of masturbation it's timeless it's timeless yeah no matter what comes into fashion ramming a dildo up your ass aggressively will never go out of fashion you're right actually class is permanent um on your knees in the dirt apple watch bollocks you know this remote control flying dildo shit.
32:55Roll your sleeves up like a real man. Get a rolling pin up your butt. Put a fucking... Fucking eat a plank of wood, bite down hard and shove a rolling pin up your ass. Like a fucking classy bloke. You're right. So that's called the R7. That's when you bite down on a piece of wood and shove a rolling pin up your ass. Arse heaven. The arse heaven. Thank you. So the Soviets have gone nuclear in like 49 or 47, isn't it? Yeah. They did their first nuclear test in the end of the 40s. So it's now really heating up the Cold War. But in the 50s, I didn't realize just how much the Soviets were dominating this.
33:30Yeah, because as you say, von Braun is constantly like, there's something about how von Braun was working for the army, the American army, and the army weren't interested in space. They were interested in getting a fucking nuke over to Russia in a missile. But the Russians are thinking about space as well. Yeah. And it's also the generational genius of Korolev that's driving this as well. So October 1957, a modified R-7 launches Sputnik 1 into Earth orbit. This is the first thing to go into orbit. Right. This is the first satellite, but it's literally a grapefruit that beeps. It's about that big.
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34:09But this absolutely terrifies America. Yeah. Because it basically, it now feels like they can get a thing above America that could bomb down on them, basically. They think it's a lot more advanced than it actually is. Yeah. The Americans then try and launch something. Now, is it after Sputnik that Von Braun has a go at his army boss and says, fucking get me on the pitch, mate? No, I think it might. I think someone else, they might try something before Von Braun, because that's where Flopnik defucks Nick. Oh, right. The fuck Nick. They then try something after Sputnik and it basically explodes three meters into the air or something.
34:44And that's like very embarrassing. The press call it flop Nick and fuck Nick. Yeah, it's the Atlas A. Yeah, so the Atlas A is the first US ICBM and that WD-40 was invented to keep Atlas from rusting without painting it. There you go. Fascinating. So one of the small wins America have is they got the first photos of Earth from space. Do you want to see those? Should we? we haven't placed this at all right what's so well the moon landings in 1969 yeah which is where we'll end up this story so 1969 that is is that after so it's after sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band it is and it's before maybe just the gig on the roof yeah it is you're Just.
35:31Let's see. Let's see. That's 1970, I think. Let's see. So I think it's the end of the Beatles bookend. It's funny. Have you seen that? So that was 1966, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and then gig on the roof, roof gig, Beatles. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, it's not. You fucked it. Fell short. It's July 69 is the moon landings, and the rooftop concert is January 69. Well, it's funny when you watch the footage of that. They're so high up. Yeah. And people are just sort of going, yeah it's a it's an amazing view of london in that time just everyone is so british but people are standing like this trying to watch it and then the policeman trying to come up is so good yeah it's great so you should try placing this i failed my rocket fell into the sea your rocket exploded oh yeah your micro your micro rocket it's blown up no um okay 1969 that is uh after the uh doors debut album okay i think uh 67 yeah uh and it is before when does jim morrison kill himself it's before revolving doors come in i think you're pulling that out i don't i it's a big swing oh fuck off 1899 we're just fucking this oh right charlie you have a go we both fucked it charlie i swear 69 wow okay no i completely fucked up 1969 go charlie place this for us well that's the first time that you're before you're after has been yeah i've completely shat this uh 1969 that is before just whatever comes to you yeah first thing first thing off the dome lenny henry lost his virginity wait wait wait yeah yeah it is it is he wouldn't have been 11 when he when he had sex well you don't know i don't think so okay I think we could make an academic judgment I mean it's hard to confirm okay so it's before Lenny Henry lost his virginity do Lenny Henry Guardian article I was molested just to see we'd find out you know he'd be talking about it in like a two page spread if anything like that happened right Lenny Henry oh dear there is an article I wish someone had taught me how to defend myself well that's racism okay fine fine okay so he's not lost his victim of racism virginity he's lost that I imagine Right.
37:50So, and it is after Napoleon. Yeah, yeah. It's before Lenny Henry lost the virginity and it's after Napoleon. I mean, we can't get a tight one because we fucked it. You know, you have to go, you go for, it's like on a second serve. You know, you go soft on it. It is better than his last placement, which I believe was his birthday and when they found the crocodile. So, so yes, the moon landings is after Napoleon. before Lenny Henry lost his virginity. And now Lenny Henry did not lose his virginity dressed as Napoleon. We don't know. We don't know that. If you're listening, Lenny, write in, let us know.
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40:55Where on earth are we? Oh yeah, so in 1955, there's this thing at the UN called the International Geophysical Year, where they've all agreed to send something into space to gather data on the Earth. Across country? Everyone has said that. The US has said that they're going to do it, and the US are. But what Eisenhower is using this as a front, he wants to get something that can spy on the Russians. So Sputnik 2 launches a month later. That's carrying Laika the dog, who's the first animal in orbit. So there's milestones. We've got V2, first man-made object in space. Then we have the first satellite, Sputnik 1.
41:36spotnik 2 the first living thing it's a russian dog that's not it's not a it's not a woman it's not a woman it's a genuine dog uh now the dog died from overheating because you've got to open a window if you leave a dog in a parked car uh does that apply in space i think so yeah just a little just a little crack a little bit a little crack otherwise they will you know dogs die in hot cars yeah dogs also burn up on re-entry unless you open a little bit of a window so um what kind breed what breed was like a oh she's a mongrel a part husky but it wasn't admitted that she died until 2002 well they're so secretive the whole time that's the part of the soviets and part of the reason america was so terrified because they kept projecting more success as the soviets because they would never talk about their failures yes whereas the american program is televised it's public they got nazis involved they're just saying everything but also i think sputnik launches from Kazakhstan right which is just my eyes it's just quite nice to imagine as the rocket goes into the sky um that's their Cape Canaveral is somewhere Kennedy Space Center's Borat Space Center do not trick me gypsy um anyway so after Sputnik 2 the US panic and conclude that they must have like a perfect ICBM capable of hitting them from anywhere.
42:56They rush it through. So they rush it and Eisenhower insists on launching a non-military rocket, the Vanguard, and on live TV, Vanguard explodes a few seconds after liftoff, which is when all the names like Flopnik and Kaputnik and Stayputnik and Fucked It, Picnic, whatever. That all comes in. And this is pretty funny. A Soviet delegate offers the US, quote, assistance for underdeveloped nations. See, this is, yeah, any opportunity. This is Khrushchev's. Khrushchev's USSR is quite funny. Yeah, because he likes to roast. He likes to joke. Yeah, he likes to joke. Yeah, he's a funny guy. Brussels clean up nicely at Sweetgreen.
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44:16Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing. Now, 58 is when von Braun is finally let off the bench onto the pitch. And he immediately... Yeah, we fucked it. He ties it up. Right. So he launches the Explorer 1, which this is in 58. So Nasser is born at this point. Eisenhower... This is the great irony of the space race. Yeah. Not to get all the violent news for you, but the USSR, a centrally controlled country, had competing rocket dweebs. Yes. Pushing each other. Yeah, and they spread the money across multiple factions, and those factions hasted each other and kept undercutting each other.
44:55Whereas the USA had Eisenhower centralises. So Eisenhower creates NASA in 58. He names it NASA because it sounds like Nazi and they're all Nazis. Yes, it's not NASA Hussein. Nazi Hussein. Nazi Hussein. What, if England's opener was Nazi Hussein? I mean, fair play. I'd back that in the ashes. I know you would. Nazi Hussein. And just imagine that follow through with the cover truck. Hitler bin Laden. Hitler bin Laden. And now I'm listening. Top of the order, Nazi Hussein and Hitler bin Laden. Anyway, von Braun's team move into the Marshall Space Flight Center in 1960. But what was your have I got to use for you thing?
45:38The irony of that the USA centralised things and start to pull ahead and the USSR... Competing divisions. Yeah. They're very droll. Very droll. Very not funny, very boring, which will get you on Have I Got News For You. Have I Got Nazis For You? That's what this break. Oh, don't tempt me. Hat trick. I'll make it. I'll make it now. Have I Got Nazis For You? The answer is always yes. It would be fun to do a kind of Nazi top trumps. Yeah, definitely. We should release that. What would the rankings be? Hey? What would the rankings be? Funny voice. Passion. Achievements. Yes. Copability in the Holocaust.
46:16Yeah. Well, if you want to be gay about it, then yes. Calpability of the Holocaust, brackets, allegedly. Alleged crimes. We should release Nazi Top Trumps for Christmas. It's probably too late. Anyway. Just sell the crackers first. And there's some other problems. Yes, buy crackers. Sell your racist crackers first and then move on to Nazi Top Trumps. I tell you what, in every pack of crackers, you enter a prize draw to win the first set of my Nazi Top Trumps cards. anyway let's talk about early moon probes you probe your moon don't you Charlie Charlie does probe his moon I imagine you know apparently if you have sex with somebody with a moon cup you can your foreskin can be ripped off entirely excuse me sorry if you have sex with somebody you can be circumcised you can really lose a foreskin if it hits a moon cup during sex but what's wrong with the is this blokes fucking is it is this blokes shoving a moon cup up his ass do you know what a moon cup is yes I do know what a moon cup is no no it's not bloke fucking it's a man and woman who told you this a man who's done it to his foreskin he fucked someone so hard his foreskin came off yeah because it because it collided with the moon cup collided I don't know did your dick collide with stuff yeah I don't think mine it was a high speed collision I was having sex with my wife the other day it was an absolute potter's bar of a collision she was derailed wrapped around a lamppost my dick laid some flowers from my wife's purse tied some flowers to my thighs terrible collision yeah I don't think my dick's ever collided with anything it's probed though it's definitely my dick definitely it's intellectual it's cross-examined things it's like joe rogan it's intellectually curious and it will go down most rabbit holes it'll have anyone on and it's had sex with graham and to be honest it's gullible it'll believe anything oh my dick will believe anything it'll believe anyone's attractive i think most guys dicks are joe rogan wow wow really that's amazing really you're amazing i love you um anyway so the ussr launches lunar one in 1959 which misses the moon but becomes the first object to escape earth so i guess out of the orbit right uh lunar two the first bit of littering yes the russians litter so is that out there now uh yeah that's still out there yeah because i guess in space stuff doesn't you know you can't there's no rubbish it doesn't it's nothing it's no recycling it's just there it's just that but isn't that i i sort of think i imagine you're down things the same that that's what we should do with rubbish is just fire into space just get rid get rid of it why don't we do that yeah i don't know it's so expensive to send up it's not i don't think it's i don't think it's work littering they put council tax on the they've increased it on bin collection it's getting to the point where i'm like i'm gonna fucking von brown this shit i'm gonna build a rocket and fire it into space yeah i don't think that they're being what i think you could do i think people would be up for doing that it was just it would cost too much to send up every load yeah but it would be so satisfying wouldn't it if you saved all your rubbish and then every month had like a firework night yeah where you just launched into space amazing be great we get all the rubbish in the world and find a way to crush it into the smallest cubes we possibly can or we just fire it to like china or something you deal with it that's what we do is it what we do sort of what it's the great we chuck it in the ocean i guess well there's the there's the continent size pile of rubbish near the pacific yeah uh but what do we do where does the rubbish go that doesn't go there i don't know can you carly can you find out where rubbish goes it's all in the sea it's all in the sea there's some like um landfills obviously yeah obviously you put it in the land because it'd be interesting to see if there's like an argument for saying don't litter in space even though it is nothing and it's forever it's massive yeah it's like no but it's you know you don't want to you know deface the landscape well if mars is inhospitable then let's just make it our bin yeah that's what we did with australia in the 19th century right send shit there i agree or we just make australia the bin yeah uh so the russians start firing shit at the moon they hit they hit the moon with their probes in 59 uh luna 3 takes the first photos of the moon's far side to the dark side of the moon okay what's amazing about the entire topic actually is how quickly milestones are hit like it's it's a matter of weeks yeah they're just constantly firing shit up there yeah constantly iterating now the usa the early pioneer missions mostly fail except pioneer four which is a partial lunar flyby success right so they're still way behind yeah i guess this is the moment now you're getting bbc news notifications and they're never it's never good news no it's always fucking 200 people dead in gaza whatever you know it's constantly bad news but this is a period where news notifications are like positive in a way yeah it's like we've the first time we've taken a picture of the moon stuff like that it's exciting yeah it's also the final frontier i was trying to think what what have we done since and it's it's um this is really the long road to felix baumgartner yeah but baumgartner was the closest we came and that was like a red was that sponsored by red bull yeah yeah so by the end of the 50s russia is way ahead in the race the americans have got their nazi boy um doing stuff but uh what have we had have we had monkeys yet when do monkeys come in do monkeys come in later they're coming in later okay so we've had we've had dogs in space yeah laika is dead pouring out for laika because they also sent up dogs that survived the russians so they then after laika send up the first uh living thing to go up to space and come back down which is a dog so they did that with two different dogs they sent up and it came down and the dog was fine so no one's taken a dog on the moon yet no one's walked their dog on the moon no no but again it feels like i look neil degrasse tyson right the original black square he um he says that really he he was asked like why oh why have we not been back to the moon he's like well frankly the moon landings was really a theater of the cold war yes it doesn't there's been no geopolitical um uh like motivation to do it again so as soon as there becomes geopolitical motivation so china needs up their game chinese to get china or india or brazil need to get on the moon but now it's it's um the competition between elon musk and jeff bezos right it's tesla versus blue orbit yeah um and i guess the new final frontier because there are frontiers still it's to colonize mars right sorry did kate when katie perry and the women go up yeah is that was that 50 years after the first dog and first man was that what they're celebrating is that the first women in space is it the first group there's got to be a first it was i think that uh milestone was the first russian group of women the first gaggle of gaggle of whores in the first gossipy women the first gossip in space is blue orbit yeah which is where you get five women you take them straight from a nightclub toilet so the first bottomless brunch in space Yeah, that's Katy Perry.
53:05And we're just hitting these new masters. Yeah, it does feel less glamorous now. It's not really hitting those kind of the soaring spirit of humanity. Because what are they just saying? And they're just chatting about their dreams and shit in space. This is the first woman in space. What's her name, Charlie? Scroll up on that photo. Valentina Tereshkova. But she ain't gossiping. This is who you want as a masseuse. Yes. You want a decorated Russian female war veteran. She is going to pound your back to shit. that's what i want i don't want an allied soldier no needing my knots no exactly i want her with a rolling pin up my arm you want a communist misuse i think personally but so what tesla and blue orbit they're trying to do commercials flights to space yeah but where's the is their views to colonize mars is that happening well it's inhospitable isn't it yeah mars no but you could set up there's still theories of setting up bases and stuff there well this is the other thing von brown we haven't talked about this verna von brown he's still under the employment of the army before he gets moved to nasa so he's trying to just to find army justification for the space rockets um because they won't move him to nasa because he's a nazi um he then makes a design for a fucking u.s army moon base complete with claymore mines and like lasers and shit moon raker bond moon raker he fucking makes a design for that yeah to try and get the army to fund his space stuff right if you do an explosion on the moon would it is it all like slow-mo you know how you like yeah is it like is everything slow-mo uh on the moon something about there's no gravity but like there so if you just like but if you did like an explosion would it look like slow-mo would it slow all of the debris would uh travel forever right like if you shoot a gun in space is it slow-mo i don't know if it's slow-mo i think it just travels forever it doesn't look because there's no um there's nothing to slow it down so it's just constant is it slow there's no resistance yeah so we'll just keep going it would not appear in slow-mo but it's a good question i i in my head i thought it was slow-mo as well yeah just because the way it's almost depicted in film yeah you wouldn't hear it oh you would would you there's no air is it would it be louder Can you hear your own breath?
55:21Well, in space, no one can hear you scream. For people who know about science, this must be absolutely unbearable. Painful. That's really painful. Look, we're historians. We're not scientists. We never claim to be scientists. We claim to be decorated historians. If there's any science we're into, it's Nazi science, which is not about how much air there is in space. In space, no one can hear you. Blood! That's the name of the episode. Even like what's pooing like on the moon? Is that in slow motion? It's a fascinating question. I don't think it's slow-mo. but is anyone orgasmed on the moon here we go Charlie busting on the moon well I guess Armstrong must be the first to he must have done at least a pee that must be the most righteous wank though imagine like looking at I reckon one of the you're coming over literally everybody everyone you're wanking at everyone you're violating you're flashing the world you're basically me tooing the entire world wanking at the globe oh wow yeah you're watching the whole over everyone that's ever been yeah that's crazy dead or alive and ever will be that's like an overwhelming wank I don't know that's in the biggest nut I think the post-nut clarity on that it would be like the overview wank just the thoughts that would run through your head when reality rushes back in yeah and also it must take ages because there's no resistance so there's no yeah but that's what it would feel even better do you think?
56:31yeah if you don't wank for very long it doesn't feel really but I think it would be like an ayahuasca sort of third eye opening once you've busted well yeah third eye opening if you haven't that's what I call it eye wanker eye wanker ceremony next time in our next episode. So man is in space, which as we've said, the Nazis did it first, but the Russians have sent, dogs are in space. We're in space. We're bothering about. The long road to Katy Perry. Katy Perry starts here. The long road to gossiping in a spacecraft. But more importantly, what about men? When do men get onto the moon? When do women annoy them so much on earth, they have to go, fuck this, I'm leaving.
57:14not just the ultimate man cave is on the moon that starts in the 60s uh and that's in our next episode which is already on our patreon one of the biggest things to ever happen really our patron the moon land this is history 101 this is this is like top five things ever right yeah whenever you listen to a history podcast uh in the intro they always have like a soundscape moon landings so um and they never say that it started with hitler it's true give him his flowers this is we accidentally as much as we like don't you know we may not might not be the most researched podcast we do touch on things that a lot of history podcasts are scared to touch racial science touching we we've brought it back into the conversation i'm stroking it i'm stroking racial science i'm sat in a big chair oh that feels lovely oh yeah oh i'm massaging racial science this is when i sometimes do feel we are breaking new ground when there's things that are too vulgar for most history podcasts to touch yeah and we barrel in don't deny your history deny something else don't deny this bit of history um give it to my other bits of history it's full context you know the the concentration camps were bad they ended up putting a man on the moon well nazi um nasa there you go oh nasa's a bit of a concentration camp isn't it yeah it's just concentrating any workplaces
58:47it's a positive concentration camp yeah oh you gotta you gotta focus let's knock our heads together and work this out maybe actually that's what i should have said if is that why it's called a concentration camp because hitler had adhd i think so yeah i mean it is heartbreaking that we found out he's got adhd because it's like it ruins it well it just means like none of it was his fault and i can't imagine what was going on with him yeah i know it's one of the great victims of history doesn't it i mean to think this whole time and how awfully rude people have been about hitler yeah and they didn't know that the whole time he was suffering he was autistic and he had a micro penis yeah like but i mean more seriously ad i don't think there's anything more serious than adhd yeah you're right it's one of the worst things that can happen to anyone i mean yeah hitler and greg wallace have got a lot in common
59:38and you know their dicks aren't normal i was i did learning support at school because i had dyspraxia right and they was so sorry no nothing to do with that didn't mention that once you brought that up no that would make no sense because even if i did have micropenis which i I don't. That wouldn't affect how well I learn. Stay in school because my dick's too small. Yeah, but it has no effect on how I process information. Well, yeah. You couldn't concentrate. You were just worrying how small your dick was. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't take up all my time. Yeah, because you go to the toilet and then you spend half an hour trying to find your dick.
1:00:13What, and then I have to go to learning support. To catch up on the work you could have done when you were rummaging around your trousers to find your penis. What, and then just give me positive reinforcement that my penis is not that small and that I should focus on that. I never did learning support. i never did it but when in these learning support centers you have pictures of people who have different learning difficulties who are like inspirational right so it'd be like albert einstein had dyslexia yeah so i think they should start having hitler had adhd yeah these should be on the walls this is what you can do it you can power you can achieve i mean he is a testament to what you can achieve with the adhd yes he is he really is because you get a lot you can get a lot done don't handcuff yourself with the identity of i've got adhd i can't do this i can't do that just a label yeah maybe what he did was bad but you cannot deny he got a lot done he powered through his not all disabilities are visible hitler will be wearing that badge yes that's pretty funny anyway i guess an alone sports center is a concentration camp as well yes exactly it is the original concentration camp people have got adhd so anyway in our next episode we will deal with the moon landings man on the moon allegedly um uh that's already on the patreon where for three pounds a month you get instant access to the whole series episode we're going to go into the juicy theories of the conspiracy theories as to whether the moon landing actually happened and also what i should say in our next episode as you've mentioned we're touching on history other people don't this was actually we're molesting history against its will um there were three countries in this race it wasn't just the us and ussr but we will reveal all in our next episode uh thank you for stopping by and we'll see you next time for the moon landings on fin versus history
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As the 2nd World War drew to a close, the Nazis’ rocket programme would form the basis of Man’s quest to conquer space. But why is this always framed as a race between the USA and the USSR, when Hitler got there first?
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - The Sauna of Nazi Science
06:55 - Rocket Botherer
10:25 - Hitler on Drums
14:12 - Cool/Nasty
22:40 - Operations Paper Clip
28:14 - Soviet Strap on
32:09 - Sputnik 1
36:47 - RIP Laika
43:10 - Make Mars Our Bin
49:01 - The Overview Effect
54:40 - Micropenis Learning Support
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