L.A.P.D (The Los Angeles Phrenology Department) | The People vs O.J. Simpson (Part 2/4)

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1:42Welcome back to Fiend vs. History. I'm with Horatio Gould. Hello. And we are in part two of our epic OJ Simpson series. Our bronco ride through the history of race relations in America. Wee! In our last part, we set out who OJ was. A black man who wasn't black. Yep. A self-denying black man. A self-denying black man who identified as himself that wasn't black. Post-racial, actually. Post-racial in 60s America. That is extraordinary, isn't it? Probably the most racial anywhere I've ever been. And he was like Obama in the 60s. And he, like a runner in American football, dodged everyone trying to make about race.

2:25Yeah, no. no thank you to the fucking end zone yeah now we are oj simpson was a a college sports star did you do any sports at university uh what did i do i did a bit of football uh but that was it pretty much i my first term uh at bristol joined breakdance sock no way way uh i did it for a term uh it's where how big were you at this point i wasn't big i wasn't small but i wasn't big the great stretching had happened the stretching had happened the great stretching yeah the great leap the stretching years the stretching years the stretched years yeah um so the great leap upward had happened i was still soft bellied sure uh never been hard bellied in my life um you could hide it i can hide the right clothes with the right clothes with a suit and a high waistband.

3:18Yeah. I can hide my gunt. Right.

3:24Yeah, anyway. But when you're low riding and I don't know as much about breakdancing as you, you'd have to, surely that's quite, the gunt, does the gunt, I guess very baggy clothes. Yes, baggy clothes. But then his gunt's completely out. Sorry, watching a guy, a fat guy breakdance. That's actually footage of me at Bristol University. So talk me through what was going on. Was it an identity crisis? I guess you need to work out who you are. It's the first year of uni. It's Bristol. It's 2008. And I was a white guy drawing breakdance sock. Well, financial crash had just happened. We didn't know who he was.

3:59We didn't see a future. Also, how were you going to make money? You didn't know. Like traditional means. Genuinely, I started stand-up. Breakdance is recession-proof. It is. At any point. You can be a homeless guy, breakdancing the street. Someone might give you some money. um uh i started stand up maybe a month after i joined breakdance sock and there was a time when i was doing both and then i thought maybe i had there was slightly more legs in my stand-up career than my breakdance career i never there was an alternative timeline so you're doing stand-up and you're doing spin on my head i never stand on my head i could never get that there was a guy who did spin his head and we all thought well that's i'm not that my wife did it as well my wife did break dance did you meet your wife in uh break dance on yeah she i met her before right yeah she um she was there as well is that when you realize you're you know meant to be together she was upside down i thought i'm gonna marry that woman she looked normal upside down and then she stood up i went oh dear right she was doing the worm she was body popping and i was like the montage of the film i'm like wow wow and she's just like she's a white woman from surrey

5:08yeah yeah she wasn't beatboxing um yeah no i i did it for a term and then i learned i learned a couple of moves that for i'd say my 20s i could shock a dance floor with like i mean that doesn't mean it's good or bad shocking that i could shock a dance floor no but as in you look at you look at you and you think i just get my cock out i'd chuck a dance wall that's easy as hell well yeah i guess you know florida nightclub you just shoot it up i'm not saying that i'm saying i'm saying right i didn't i didn't shoot up pulse nightclub but i'm saying i as a guy who you would not think could break dance yeah i had a couple of moves that i could do until about 10 years ago where i was at the edinburgh festival and i did a knee drop and i misjudged it and i basically just dropped on my knee on the floor of the caves like from standing just just basically just fell on my knee medieval cave yeah yep and uh i my knee's never really been the same and is that when you retired pretty much yeah for break dancing yeah yeah i had a dodgy knee and i had to retire god much like exactly your career just ruined the potential you had to be a great break dancer blighted with the injuries yeah um much like ojo simpson was and uh we are talking about ojo simpson uh we must not forget that yeah but there's actually a lot of stuff to talk about there's a lot of we can't get sidetracked by my sick breakdancing career and the fact that i could do a six step what is it body is one of them where you step forward and go oh is that one of it was one of them one of the that's kind of what you're doing is you're going around a circle and you're all doing this and then you're doing this as in like i'm going to come in and breakdance next okay i'm not okay we're sort of like like mock the week where you're very like mother week where you're like oh no yeah very like what the week yeah the the white guy break dancing yeah glenn morgan oh no oh no sorry you sorry you're reese james ed burn like oh no no no you go and then and then after the whole ferrari about the quotas for for female comics there was a massive point of people making huge gestures like you'd see hugh dennis go machine please please Please, please let Sarah Pascoe have a go.

7:20Anyway. And then go, I like it. Let her have a go. And then as soon as you start speaking, you go on your phone. Bored. My turn.

7:31Anyway. What I'd do is, you know when, you know that the guy, the leader of Britain, Tommy Robinson turned his back when Sadiq Khan won the mayor of everyone. Or was it the guy, the leader of Britain first? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's me when a woman speaks in what the week. I would turn my back. Carrie Gondelman goes up in process

7:53that's me at any comedy night at top secret with his woman on no not in my name we are talking about the OJ Simpson trial and we left off with two bodies found at Nicole Brown Simpson's house one of them is Nicole Brown Simpson the other one is her friend Ron plays Ron Time Goldman not a friend though no a gay waiter who was coming back to the rest of the show. It's a 25-year-old LA waiter who obviously has other aspirations because he's an LA waiter, right? So he wants to be a model. Which is a slur in my arsenal. He's a bit of a... LA waiter, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Before we get to the trial, we need to sort of paint the other main character in the story, which is the LAPD.

8:38Because the trial essentially becomes... It's quite a unique trial in that you have a man who's on trial for murder, but then what his defense do is they basically turn it into a trial on the LAPD and its effectiveness maybe the most effective use of whataboutery there is extraordinary it's also the thickest heaviest race car that's ever been played to an extraordinary degree and for a man who famously didn't see race even in himself it's one of the amazing pivots that's ever been so at the start of this episode we're going to just explore the LAPD yeah it's like when black and it goes you know the wizard of oz goes from black and white to color yeah that's okay but it's the other way around he's in color and he goes to black and white yeah now the lapd were allegedly uh a brutal and violent police force uh as any kind of american police force in the 60s was but the depiction of the lapd all the cop shows are about them they were seen as the most heroic police kind of like the the most famous police department maybe apart from the nypd in all the cop shows yeah and the cop shows lapd and also la was maybe sold in the earlier parts of the uh 20th century as kind of like a great liberal home for black people to come from the south kind of a utopia like an escape from a lot of those from how racist the south was yeah on mass moved to la but they found quite quickly that the lapd were actually just as bad as any uh i think in the documentary surprise oh just as racist uh the only difference is they didn't use dogs in la right that was the guy says that so they're woke it's la it's woke nonsense they're not policing the black communities with police dogs yeah so in early 20th century la as and most of america it's very racially restrictive and the city is like oh what's it called there was a there's a there's this basically this strategy that american councils zoning zoning or redlining yeah redlining is when you essentially by tampering with the market you make certain areas racially distinct yeah and you make it impossible for any kind of racial social mobility to happen because you um i don't know you ball tamper but with uh zoning laws yes so uh wartime migration had brought many black workers to california but then as we say housing shortages redlining etc confines them to these overcrowded neighborhoods projects um and all the post-war kind of expansion basically just benefits white residents that the lapd itself uh there was a guy called william h parker who was the chief of police uh he will h white man william h white man white man h white man buzz cut mustache i'm just imagining this yeah it's his wonder bread white uh he coined the term thin blue line interestingly oh um i don't know what it was in reference to yep maybe a line that he drew on a map saying everyone ever hears white yeah um but he oh There you go.

11:30Buzzcut and moustache. I was right. White and McWhiteface. White and McWhiteface. He recruits officers from the South, supposedly direct from the Klan. Sort of like our hiring policy at Fumbrooski. Yep. Fred Richardson will be on the next episode. He's left his hood at the door. And he's coming into Jordan. Cut out the middle, man. Go straight to the Klan. Cut out the middle, Klan. Look at that, Charlie. Doesn't actually quite work. But yeah, it was nice. It'll do. Yeah, it'll do. So on September 25th. No one's coming for us. It's just you and me, boy. 58 miles. Heart of the Beast is the must-see adventure of the year.

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13:26See terms. Yeah, the officers he recruits from the South already have quite fruity attitudes. And when you say fruity, you don't mean gay? I don't mean gay. Famously, I don't mean gay. I mean anti-black. Yeah, deeply, violently, almost genocidally racist. Yes. They're fruits. I like the term fruity because it covers a multitude of sins. It does, it does. You know. A bit fruity. This salad's a bit fruity. there's raisins in it that police force is a bit fruity they're from the klukots clam you know it's it's uh yeah it's a linguistically stretchy word and i like it yeah um anyway speaking of fruitiness the watts riots in august 1965 so there's a woman called marquette fry i just think black names in this a they just you know it's the real it's the dawn of the uh the long road to the squish it's it is the long road to the squish it's and where do these names come from because i would i want to you know at what point does names diverge like is it must be after the civil war there's the whole like slave names and people some people have slaves when does this when do things like the school yeah when does the squish how did like letitia how where do these names do the etymology of the squish please charlie find out where the La Quiche comes from.

14:48I want to know if during the What's Right, there was a woman called La Quiche there. La Quiche, likely a version of La Quiche. Modern African-American coinage derived from Kezia, meaning cinnamon tree, with the common la. Okay, so it's basically like blending. Oh, so it's French, isn't it? Right. Oh, because of course, because it'd be like Haiti, French colonies. Yes, Creole, French Creole. The French are in the South of the United States. Hey? La Quiche. La Quiche. But like it's la. It's like the. So you're basically saying the quiche. My name is Le Squishy. Yeah. Anyway, the NAPD fucking smashed quiches in 1965.

15:21They throw quiche all over the floor. It's like English pizza. It's not English. It's French. I think it's French, isn't it? No, but it's English. Right. The vibe is English. No, there's definitely... It's certainly culturally permeable across the channel. It evokes a garden party. English people don't kick the quiche out of bed. It's not foreign French muck. Because it's egg, ham and bread. We're like, we understand this. it's just a different way of doing a fry up yeah but it evokes a garden party where a man in red trousers with a red nose is saying something just tasteful about his gay neighbor yeah um he's using the word fruity as i would use it and he's eating quiche anyway um marquette fry is pulled over by officer minicus for alleged reckless driving on the 11th of august 1965 she fails the sobriety test is marquette a man or a woman it's a man well there you go i'm lost La Squisha, La Squish, Marquette.

16:18Yeah. La Squish me up, I'm done. I'm done. I don't know what the fuck's going on. Anyway, so he, sorry, Marquette, he fails a sobriety test. He's placed under arrest. His brother, who is a passenger, goes to get his mum, Rina. She scolds her son for drinking and driving, but then in the kind of fracker, someone shoves his mum, Fry gets hit, someone draws a shotgun, and then essentially this massive confrontation happens, and then people are starting to gather and watch. This is all like an intersection in LA. A rumour circulated that the officers kicked a pregnant woman. I don't know where that started.

16:51That's just hearsay. Anyway, they start claiming police brutality. They throw objects. Everyone gets arrested. It basically turned into a massive riot. At this point, he's at USC. And it's right next to Watts. He's just running. But USC is in the middle. Right next to Watts. Yeah. And so riots spread across Watts. Lasted for six days. the police response reinforces these ideas that they're kind of an occupying military force rather than to protect and this kind of only gets worse then you have these big these sort of major big flashpoints in the 20th century in LA the Eula Love shooting in 1979 LAPD officers shot and killed an unarmed black woman over a disputed gas bill supposedly she didn't pay her gas bill and the officers to be fair EDF is that EDF energy IDF yeah yeah IDF energy Christ too right IDF Energy turn up and these days these days I don't know what that means even for us I've got no idea what that means what are we saying there if you say these days you're safe or you're really not these days you can't put me in jail for saying these days I think these days you can these days these days say anything you get in jail these days IDF Energy yep they they don't muck about with uncollected gas bills.

18:11It gets ruled as justifiable homicide, which I think may be a stretch. I think she's on her front lawn, maybe, and she just shouts back at the police and they maybe shoot her. He was cornered. Or maybe she had a knife. Maybe she had a knife. Anyway, no officers face any charges for this and it's ruled as justifiable. And this is brilliant. This is when a bit of phrenology comes in. this is this is in in the in 19th late 1970s yeah an honest man called darryl gates is chief the lapd and he's just sprinkling phrenology over these press conferences i mean look at him he does not look racist at all does he no um i do think if you've got very short hair as a white man you have to work harder to not seem racist people can read into that why i've grown my hair long uh now darrell gates believes that the reason for a higher rate of black deaths during arrest is because quote big quote black people are more susceptible than normal people to injuries from chokeholds right so much to unpack there i mean he's on the ground though he's an empiricist yeah you know what i mean who are we easy for us to sit in the sofa armchair phrenologist that we are, he's actually on the ground.

19:29He's in the field. He's got the calipers, you know? He's got a trench coat. He's got, you know, he's got stuff on his, he's got a holster for his calipers in his belt. He's doing trial and error. He's logging information. He's got early findings from the field. He's our man on the ground. And he says that black people are more susceptible than, lovely use of the word normal, people to injuries from chokeholds. I guess maybe the asterisk. and it's a small asterisk I'd say, is that normal people don't get any injuries from chokeholds. Yes. So, normal people are never in chokeholds in this era. Yes, because they're normal.

20:07Okay. Yeah. Small asterisk. Small asterisk. Small asterisk is the only test he's been doing is on black people. Yes, it's a skewed sample size, which phonologists are always guilty, actually, of skewed samples. um he has nothing to compare it to a true philologist a true philologist never turns the calipers on himself yeah anyway he also says that hispanic officers don't advance within the ranks because they're lazy yeah i think that's fine interestingly i agree with that latina racism there's so much black races to deal with latina stuff everyone has to just drop but you can't him calling latinas lazy it's like we can't deal with that now we've got much bigger problems yeah we're gonna have to do we're nowhere near ready to deal with that i mean to be honest the problem both problems would be solved if the hispanic officers were responsible for choke holding the black people because they were too lazy this is where you're brilliant finn two birds one stone all right bringing races together through racial stereotype okay the spaniards are too lazy to choke out the black victims right so you'd solved it there anyway in 1987 there was a large scale i'm getting emotional now a large scale attempt to crack down on gang violence la named operation hammer this started in the run up to the 84 olympic games for which oj and nicole ran through the city with the torch so that was like the la games yeah the la games right from 84 to 89 complaints of police brutality increased by 33 percent uh and there was a big raid by 88 lapd officers in august 88 which leads to this deadly shootout leaving 15 gang members dead yeah uh it's massive search for drugs and follow and do you remember is this reagan's war on drugs yeah kicking as well but there's this documentary in in the oj documentary they show that woman's house that the lapd have gone through yeah and it's like it's generally like you've set a fucking fleet of raccoons loose we'll just smashed everything they like pull the sink off the wall the bath up they're looking for drugs in the end they find like a bit of hash yeah like a couple of bags of weed and this woman's house is like beyond fucked and because the police have done it i think her she has no home insurance that will cover it but this is reagan's america right where he's like it's during this period that they're like introducing crack into black neighborhoods and stuff like that right so it's kind of the height of this sort of stuff so by 1990 over 50 000 people have been arrested in these uh it's tense we then get to um this is kind of the big one of all this big one yeah this is uh and it's it's made it's so big because this has been happening a lot but it is on film yeah which is a relatively new phenomenon and i must say even for someone as impartial as myself the film looks quite bad sure could have been like a prince andrew situation we don't know the context of the footage it also could have been early uses of ai i'd love to yeah yeah it could be i don't believe it been doctored um we get to the Rodney King incident in 1991.

23:04Now, this is hugely important. LAPD officers are caught beating Rodney King while arresting him for drunk driving. And in the footage, you see it's like eight police officers. It's pretty gnarly stuff. Officers are just beating him to death. Well, he doesn't die, but they're just beating him with truncheons. And it's like there's eight of them around and they're beating him for so long. And for black members in LA, of the black community. They say this happens all the time, but it's kind of the first time it's been truly captured on film. Yeah, and it's such a stark... And it's like in the documentary, they play it for ages and you're just begging for someone to be like, okay, he's had enough now.

23:44Not one person. Not one person says no. It's a big group of people. Not one person says, maybe this is too much. No, they're like, I want to go. Yeah, they're actually very orderly queuing up. Do you know what? There's not much you can compliment them for.

23:58But the level of queuing on display, you know... No, after you. Please. It's sort of not the weak, actually. It is not the weak. But instead of kick the weak. But they don't turn around. Maybe if a female police officer got involved, they'd be like, oh, I'm not watching this. I'm not watching this. This is ridiculous. No. It's the same kind of opinion I have on the Bonnie Blue queue. You go, well, at least it's a good queue. Yeah. I don't really like what they're doing. Yeah. But at least they're waiting their turn. Yeah. Anyway. Pretty damn gnarly. It's gnarly stuff for ages. It goes on for so long.

24:27Being in with truncheons. You can't imagine what the context could possibly be. No. justify it it's just like could we imagine it you know we're creative we're creative we're creative minds anyway king suffers a broken leg uh he's burnt from the stun gun i mean it goes on for so long the beating and he's on the floor the whole time he's he's completely compliant yeah and they just keep on beating him and all four officers are charged with excessive force they go to trial but they are found not guilty and they face no punishment and this is With, for this time, undeniable evidence of wrongdoing.

25:05Yeah. So it's just pure corruption. It's pure corruption. Yeah. This bit, the next bit's fucked. And black people have not had any win with the justice system really ever in LA. No. And this is just one of the most egregious of all of them. Two weeks later, a 15-year-old black girl is shot and killed by a Korean woman running a fucking 7-Eleven. So she's going to buy some orange juice. Yeah. And then the Korean shop owner, Soon Ja-do, thinks that she's going to steal it. And so she walks away and the Korean woman shoots her in the back of the head? Yes. That's at least what she claims, right? Yes.

25:41She says that she thought she would stop shoplifting. But the video seems to be she's just paid and she's walking away. And then she just out of nowhere shoots from the back of the head. It's also a little old Korean woman that looks like my nan. So it's like, how on earth is your opinion of black people so low? Yeah. So anyway, the Korean woman is convicted of voluntary manslaughter, which is a strange conviction to have. So that's not... Voluntary manslaughter. Isn't that literally murder? Because involuntary manslaughter is like, I've accidentally... I've sneezed while driving. No, no, no. Voluntary manslaughter, it's not premeditated.

26:17It's in the moment. Oh, okay. It's murdering, but you've decided in the last five seconds. Voluntary manslaughter is an intentional killing that's reduced from murder due to partial defence like loss of control diminish responsibility or participating in a suicide pact so sorry it's her defence that well she was meant to kill me afterwards it was like a Romeo and Juliet thing yeah so how on earth did she get off because this literally is it just that do they think Korean is a mental impairment at this point what on earth is her defence anyway she's got Korean syndrome she's got full Korean syndrome now this couple with Rodney King sparks back to back huge huge LA riots yeah super sunday of rioting uh the la riots in may 1992 south central la erupts into rioting and the and this is when in the documentary basically the police are so terrified from the lack of uh from their like the optics yeah that they just don't police it police it and then you have people in black neighborhoods going up to like white truckers pulling them out of the truck beating them to a pole yeah uh it is a full-on essentially race riot and then there's also a lot of tension between the korean community and the black community because of obviously she was korean yeah and then i think the korean shopping centers become fortified like castles and they like have blockades well charlie's just got up i've just googled rush hour three but this was this was the way that they came together this was is this where they met the the relationship only really was fixed when the Rush Hour franchise came out.

27:53We should place this, actually. We should place this. This is crucially... So 1992. This is before Rush Hour 1. Rush Hour 1, I believe, is 96 or 97. What a film. What a film. And like you say, And it's after the fall of the Berlin Wall. It was after the Berlin Wall, but crucially, it was before the release of Rush Hour. We're living in a pre-Rush Hour world. They've got no idea of what a... we must say that jackie chan is not korean but um but i tell you what i've got no idea what he is sure i don't see race yeah but i know he's not korean so yes this is a pre-rush hour um but at the the eventually uh the in the documentary they're like there are all these police officers interview being like it was so infuriating we were being told not to go and like break it up and so it was just there was looting they burned down their own neighborhood as well they just set fire to their own shops their own buildings yeah and then you had some police officers with pretty fruity views using them going at least I mean why would you burn down your own petrol station anyway the National Guard are called in at the end of the riot 63 are dead over 2 ,000 people injured 12 ,000 arrests a billion dollars of damage was caused significantly in Koreertown and Daryl Gates the the amateur phrenologist just the chief of police, resigns.

29:15Right. That acts as a lovely bit of context for when in 1994, on the morning of June the 13th, two bodies are found at Nicole Brown Simpson's house. So they then go to OJ's house in Rockingham and they ring the bell. There's no response. And they find, looking around, they find that OJ's white Ford Bronco is stained with blood all on the wing mirror and stuff and the handle. There's also a black glove matching the exact one they found at the scene of the crime by Officer Mark Furman. And we'll get to Mark Furman. More like Mark Fruityman. Mark Furman. A lovely character in the story. I really enjoyed his story.

29:59Anyway, so they find the other black glove that matches the one that they'd found covered in blood at Nicole's house. So this gives them probable cause. So they let themselves into the house. And OJ's friend and kind of lodger, Kato Kramer. He's never really explained Kato. No, I know. I can just Google what he looks like. Because he's sort of... He's called Kato Kaling, which is already weird for some reason. It's just the double K feels like a stage name. He feels like a bit of an LA waiter to me. Yeah, he's got long blonde hair. He just feels... Is he just like, if you live in LA, you're going to have a guy called Kato who lives in your outhouse?

30:32I feel like LA... He looks like he lives in a rich person's outhouse. Yes. In every... He just seems up to no good, Kato. but in in la there are just these people with like men with women's hair yeah who are just sort of fannying about yeah all the talking heads of the local residents living in la yeah you know he's a poor boy essentially yeah he opens the door to the police and he says that oj had left for chicago the night before um when the browns are told of nicole's murder they are like well that'll be oj he he beat the shit out of her for years yeah when she screamed he will kill me he will kill me i reckon i reckon it was him yeah uh oj then comes back from chicago is brought in for questioning police notice that he has cuts on his hand he claims that that's he accidentally broke a glass while he was in chicago the lapd didn't really question this and he gets allowed to leave the interview they don't do any kind of blood work on on the things and also when he uh is telling people about the cut yeah he tells everyone different reasons yeah like he cut it on getting into his car he cut it on glass you know it's just always different a different reason just scatter it yeah so confusion early doors yeah uh he denies the opportunity to take a lie detector test which is obviously what an innocent man would do no thank you i don't want to do that ethically i think lies detector tests are wrong i do think it's a bit unfair yeah it's like that that's not prove me prove me guilty don't don't cheat don't cheat i don't even believe them yeah i don't believe jeremy kyle because also it's entirely subjective how you would physiologically respond to lying if you get off on it then how it's going to skew the results isn't it yeah and also i think a lot it's your sphincter muscle that uh they've not they don't attach something to your ass it's your wrist it's palpitations or it's um blood pressure isn't it what how did you can you how do they breathing sweating yeah so to be fair he's turned it down but that's kind of within his rights because i think so yeah i'm never gonna use it i don't Fuck them.

32:31No, don't believe in them. So the LAPD start to establish a timeline of the previous day's events. So this is June 12th, five o 'clock. OJ, Nicole and the Browns attend their daughter's dance recital. The Browns go to a restaurant for dinner. OJ's not invited. You know, it's starting to stack up against Nicole. Yep. 9.36 p.m., OJ and Kato Kaelin, the weird pool boy, who looks a bit like Val Kilmer. Yes. in the heat returns from going to mcdonald's uh i actually took my kids to the mcdonald's drive-thru for the first time this weekend but what do you do after is more important i guess sorry what did you do after i didn't kill my wife in a waiter um we all we all went home we ate mcdonald's we watched disney film it was very wholesome um i did not kill my wife and some random guy from mcdonald's yeah this is where me and oj differ it was the kids first happy meal It was a big moment.

33:25Anyway, so 10 o 'clock, Ron Goldman, wrong place, wrong time, Goldman. He brings some glasses to Nicole's house that Nicole had left at the restaurant. Yeah. 10.15, neighbors hear Nicole's dog barking loudly. 10.51, Kaylin hears a big banging at OJ's house. He thinks it's an earthquake. 11.15, OJ's picked up by a limo and taken to the airport. 11.45 he flies to Chicago for a Hertz golfing event right there's a gap there's a crucial gap in OJ's um alibi so please conclude that Nicole is attacked outside of her home stabbed multiple times after a struggle uh Ron Goldman is stabbed while in the chokehold yeah now that's ironic because he's normal and he should be able to get out of those that's true anyway he fights back oh there you go there you go he fights back um and stumbles away but then is followed by the attacker he gets stabbed several times his abdominal i mean the brutality of the stabbing is extraordinary it is it's gnarly yeah uh they sever his abdominal artery he bleeds to death they then think that the attacker returns to nicole's body and basically nearly chops her head off yeah and they find a shoe print on the back of her shirt bloodied shoe print yeah um as gnarly as you can get really charlie did you like oj simpson before you heard about this no okay fine so it's not it's not a polpot situation yeah but it's because charlie's deeply deeply deeply racist.

34:52Oh, of course. He's on the side of the Koreans. That's a lovely, that's a lovely euphemism. What, for being a racist? For being a racist against black people. He's on the side of the Koreans. Anyway, due to her, what is it, Charlie? They don't got any neighbours? Hey? What are the neighbours doing when this is happening? Is this just in the garden? It is just in, in the side. But they're all detached houses. Have you been to America? Have you been to LA? The space is pretty big. The thing about LA is it's so spread out. There's no, there's almost no like flat shares. No. It's basically just, and everyone's built their own house.

35:23The only thing you have is maybe a guy called Cato in your outhouse. That's the closest to you. You have a poor boy who's a gay waiter. Are you fucking the shed? Probably, yeah. Probably, yeah. But even driving through LA, what's mad is that every house is a different style because everyone's built their own house. Yeah. It's just like the old west. So they just went out there and they're like, well, I quite like colonial architecture. Spanish style, yeah. I like Spanish. I'm just going to build a fucking glass box. Anyway. It's a very hyper real place, basically. It is. Nicole is buried in a polo neck because her head had been nearly cut off.