Let the Rabbit See The Dog (with Ania Magliano!) | The History of Beauty Standards (Part 2)

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35:45Anyway, we're now into the Renaissance, okay, where the classical body is rediscovered, and this is where we get the Vitruvian man. So again, it's all about symmetry at this point. Vitruvian man, is that Jesus doing star jobs? Now, that's my type. Now, yes. So he has sort of, it's less ripped than the Greek, but it's all about proportionality, and this is where they start saying that the perfect male body should be like, is it five heads? Yeah. Five heads tall and then five heads wide, something like that. So the total height is eight heads, torso, four heads, legs, four heads, arms. How big are these heads though?

36:22These Irish heads? Whatever head. Your own head in your own body. Which is why the Irish look so funny. Now there is, no, listen. There is a specific, no, come on. No, he's a really good action now. Just to be sincere for a minute. You can spot someone who's Irish from behind. Go on. Because the shape of their head is particular. The Irish head's a phenomenon that they would admit themselves. All right? It's as distinct as butter. I can't think of it. Have you been to Stonehenge? No. Well, that's what a crowd of Irish people look like. Dublin is a sense of word. Yeah. I was thinking Stonehenge, not an island.

37:05Very big heads. More fool me. Very big heads, but they've also got so much face. So I'm literally, unfortunately, my only reference point right now is Paul Maskell. Irish head. Big Irish head. Big Irish head. Anyways, this is a good opportunity to phrenologize, Anya. Oh, it's true. So we just started this thing. So it's like we're trying to do a Top Gear leaderboard of, it's sort of like, what would you say? Racial science from the 1900s that has been discredited, but you're trying to recredit? Well, there's a lot of truth. We're going to measure your skull and we're going to rank, we're going to find out what your IQ is.

37:38Perfect. So there's two measurements, Anya. The length of your forehead, how many fingers that is, is your intellectual capacity. Is it my fingers? Yes, yes. Yes, yeah. So you've got four fingers. I've got and a thumb. That's good. You're sneaking that in. I think you're being greedy there. Yeah, there's a bit of room there. Do you think it's a four and a half? Do you want to measure that? So Paddy got three. Four and a half. So it shows that you are more of a finger than Paddy. Paddy's a bit more of a himbo. So hang on. So Horatio hasn't got his mic, so he's now measuring the width of your head.

38:07and it's the proportion Get in there a bit more, yeah. It's the proportion It's tricky that because it's close to that big whisk that women use to Yeah, that's what I felt. Can you do it again? Can I have it? Maybe I'll have this off. Okay. So seven inches same as Paddy so you actually have the same animal. Are you sure? You've got the same depth of head. He's got a tiny head. But a bigger forehead which means your more mental balance Yeah. Your lizard brain and your thinking brain are more in sync Yeah. And you're a more cerebral person. So right, that's our first two. And we're just plotting a graph.

38:43Paddy and you're both seven inches head to back. Have you done anyone else? No, this is the beginning. It's been a long running. Have you done yourselves? A true phonologist never turns the calipers on yourself. Never turn the calipers on yourself. So you have the Renaissance where they rediscover the classic form. And then you have this 17th, 18th century Baroque ideal. Who the fuck is this guy? Where essentially white guys are black women. They wear wigs. Yes. You know, they shave their heads and they wear these extravagant wigs. It's all about not being tanned. So they will wear powder to symbolize the fact that they don't work in the fields.

39:19Right. And that they spend their time indoors because tans is like a worker's tan. Right. So that means you're poor. And this is all about being as like sheltered as possible from any kind of hard work. Yeah. so this could be the least i could relate to a male attractiveness yes i think a white pointy wig is as far from what i can see and white face and just powdered yeah i don't know some of these guys must have had amazing amazing riz because i think that is actually like do you think it's maybe part of this like sometimes i think with fashion it's like like with like harry styles or like david bowie it's like i'm gonna wear something fucking insane to prove how strong my sexuality is and to be like if i'm looking insane and you still find me hot like what does that say why a very attractive woman can shave their heads yes exactly and it's like i'm still sexy yeah regardless the ultimate flex totally but this is all men this is not like a harry styles this is not all men or wigs but this is not like it's not harry styles in a world of gym bros going i'm wearing culottes fuck you dad or whatever uh this is this is the standard the standard is to wear wigs so you would have blokey blokes in powdered face and big wigs because I presume they still acted like men.

40:33Well, yeah, that's, that's what I guess that would be in high heels. Yeah.

40:39And they've got a powdered face on and they're massive. Do you want me to park it for you? And they've got a fucking wig on. I mean, the baroque builder with a powdered face and a wig. Let's get out of here is a bunch of poofs and they all clip clap away so this is all uh the french revolution saw the grande renunciation masculine the great male renunciation so they're rejecting ostentatious court fashion yes makes sense didn't last very long well it's kind of the 18th century is the sort of that's the baroque period right so um you then get into victorian masculinity which is much more recognisable to us.

41:20The Victorian strongman. Yes. This is where... Muscular with a moustache. Because of the Industrial Revolution, because of the Industrial Revolution, it becomes much more tied to work. So you get work wear. Car heart. And beards. Beards become massive. But beards were already in Egypt. Well, yeah. 3 ,000 years earlier. Beards are just in and out. Beards come and go. In and out. In the Victorian age, the beard represents more than sexuality. It's wisdom. Right. It's the length of your beard. shows how smart you are they also but yes ironically they thought that the beard would stop um would stop bad like particles getting in your mouth but then it became so disease-ridden you have a beard yes i have a beard why my toxic trait is that i get food in my beard almost every time i eat but did you did you choose it as a fashion choice or was it like this is if i'm eating greek yogurt and my wife sees me then when there's yogurt in my beard then there's there's none of that happening tonight i know that but there was a point where i had i can grow fantastic yeah well that's yeah this is a super con zero that was a filter go on the moustache I can grow a sedan moustache wow and I would like to get enough body fat down that I can have a chin that can come out he also had a right wing haircut at the time so you need to balance it out exactly I think big moustache long hair because yeah but I yeah I've basically had a beard since I was 17 yeah 18 19 and how do you feel if you if someone were to shave it would you feel very very exposed I feel lost yeah I'd feel I'd feel exposed weak weak You've got something else, moustache or something?

42:47I've got a moustache and a lot of people think it's like a statement or a choice, but I'm playing the face I was dealt. And that's what everyone does with facial hair. Yeah, that's my question. Is it actually about wisdom or is it actually about covering stuff up? You're playing the face, you're dealt. So what's going on between your nose and mouth? What are you covering up? I've got a small nose, so I distract from it with a moustache, but I've got all right cheekbones so I can keep them out. A lot of people with a big beard, they're trying to hide a weak chin. so the only reason i'm doing this people think i've had a mustache for years so people just think it's like trying to brand no it's just play you play the face you're dealt yeah facial hair wise but at this point men would be spare wear beards as like a statement yeah it was big beards it was a taliban era sort of yes totally yeah and it was a you would show off your masculinity by how big a beard you could grow also uh this is where uh phrenology comes into it because phrenology was the height of, I mean, this is like Victorian dating apps were phrenology based in that you would want to phrenologize someone.

43:52So if someone put a dating ad out in the newspaper, in the Times. Yeah, looking for some woman with a big forehead. Which indicates... Bring that back. Yeah. I'd clear up. Although it's the sexual desire is all based in the back of the head, supposedly. Your animal thing. Oh, okay. Which you've got quite a big back of the head. So I need to get that bigger. Or shut it up. Put your hair up. BBL for the back of my head. Brazilian brain lift. Show off the back of the base of your skull. Show how big that is. Get that out. There's a button there that if someone pushes, you're horny. Yeah, it's all like a cod piece at the back of your head.

44:23It's science. It's science. You wouldn't get it. It's science. The amative organ. Okay. Yeah. This is what we say we need to get women into STEM. Yeah. Phrenology. Yeah. So the idea that men's brains are larger explained why they're more sexual as beings, because they've got bigger heads, larger brains. phrenologists said that the larger the person's amative faculty the more attractive they were towards the opposite sex interesting so this is kind of i guess trying to explain pheromones okay yeah which i suppose is another way of saying this vibe thing something on something untethered to anything that's just yeah yeah yeah unknowable unexplainable yeah uh however if the back of the head was too large the person could be prone to obscenity what's that mean i.e paddy yes what's obscenity mean well it's just sort of like horny yeah horny little rabbit right actually sounds quite nice yeah so and obviously it's all about practical masculinity so you know this is where the roll up your sleeves yeah workwear look at that that's Victorian workwear into the 20th century that's quite Protestant yes into the 20th century and this is where you get the first male sex symbols first pinups which is silent film stars right which is where they kind of, it becomes more about class, senescent approachability while still being a bit rugged.

45:42Yeah. You know? So this guy is called Rudolf Valentino. Wow. Supposedly women fainted. Does look a bit like David Gandy. Supposedly when he died, there was thousands of fans flood the streets and women killed themselves because they're so... Killed themselves? That's what it says. Well, he's kind of like the ultimate man you can project onto because he's silent. So as a woman, it's kind of perfect. You're right. hot guy, never heard him peep a word in his life. When he dies, of course I'm going to kill myself. Is it not a bit icky that he's like miming? Isn't miming a massive turnoff? Miming is such an ick.

46:13Miming is an ick. Miming is such an ick. I want to get to the 50s where, you know, much like women had bullet bras and their beauty was tied to their sort of domesticity. The white goods revolution. Yes. The bullet tits revolution. Men became, it became very kind of basic masculinity. Denim, leather jacket. hold on denim is masculinity now yes but and that's the part of the performance of the gay man with the denim got it okay as you're playing with the denim cutoffs yeah we don't we're not cutting the denim all the way down look look you can check you go you go denim boot cut yeah straight denim shorts bisexual denim cutoffs gay okay yeah however long your denim is this is modern phrenology for the legs but then also let's flip that that was for men get your out again just so i can do it yeah lesbian boot boot cuts yeah that's lesbian shorts bi yeah and then then cuts off straight yes yeah yeah yeah it's a science it's a science i mean some of the stuff you say it's a stop clocking here um so james dean is he was only in three films but he has seen such a symbol yeah it does it does feel like it's all it changes with him it's not going back to traditional masculinity it's something new it's rebellious yeah this is rebellious yeah boy like it's the the line that timothy shallow made not dean gaffney charlie no not being close we're getting there we'll get to dean gaffney shortly he's definitely it's a mix of like emotional it's a lot of effort is just going into the hair it's almost like we'll concentrate on the hair that's enough but i suppose this is i guess slightly that he's taking something from the baroque period yeah we've been through the Victorian era where it's like you don't want to look rugged and now you know you're spending a bit of time on your hair actually quite a lot of time the whole teddy boy jelly roll thing they had a hairstyle called a duck's ass yeah which was the perfume that men wore yeah that's yeah so that's um yeah teddy boy yeah that must have taken hours looks like i don't i don't find that that's lesbian yeah that is very lesbian i don't find that at all attractive that's very primeval isn't it?

48:19That's like a monkey that's got like a sort of fanny on its head. Like a male monkey's like, you know, that's kind of peacock stuff. Yeah. But that, but then if that, if that's wanting to attract a woman, sorry, he can't be, he's signing out what he's looking for. Yes. Right. Yeah. If you look like this, then I'm going to talk to you. It's like one of the guys, the big unicorn horns and he's like, cab driver with Mr. Johnson holding up an airport yeah yeah yes alex turner rocked yeah alex turner's kind of alex turner's i would say alex turner's doing it in a slightly understated way whereas i and i do think that gap is like a massive difference you know it's trial and error some people get it wrong you know i think you know he just didn't land on his feet he has not landed on his feet and it's obviously beards go at this point it's all about smooth shape um clean shaven working man you know domestic bliss all that yes uh now in the 60s uh as civil rights enters the kind of culture the afro starts to be worn more uh obviously by black communities in america but then it's so popular by the early 70s the white afro comes in whites are really the wafro whites are perming their hair charlie you probably could do a wafro if you pushed it you've got it in your locker naturally is there but it's like kind of it looks like a brush it's like permy yeah we said it looks It's like a microphone.

49:39Your hair looks like this. Right. It just grows directly upwards rather than that way. Right. But if you flicked it enough, could you not? I'm trying to get it to that point, but I have to wax it until I can actually properly beef it out. Yeah. I have to wax it. Wait, so you mean it would only grow upwards like a line? It grows directly upwards. But in every direction it's grown out. Like a cartoon. Everything's grown out. Oh, okay. So it's not like Marge Simpson. I want it to be more out, whereas currently it's like, it is like a microphone. Yeah. But then we get to, this is, Now this is the standard that I adhere to.

50:10This is where I would like to get to. Okay. Beefcake. Yes. It feels like this is bad. Burt Reynolds. Well, I genuinely, I'm being genuine here. I think this is the masculine ideal for me. Yeah, I'd agree. Is that like as in what you want to be or what you would be attracted to? I would like to fuck that guy. Yeah. I want to fuck that guy right now. I want that guy to bend me over a barrel. This is the masculine ideal for me. This is what I would like to look like in an ideal world. Yeah, okay. This is what I'm working towards where there's a sort of... This is where Tyreek is trying to get you.

50:37Tyreek's trying to get me to Bill Reynolds you're showing pictures of this and Tyreek's going and then you're paying more money so it's this is where chest hair comes in deep tans sort of macho Tom Selleck high waisted jeans you're showing off your package you're getting the rug out but it's also they're not like ripped it's working muscles it's a bit of fun it's a bit like we have a bit of fun by the way we're not in the gym every day we're not pushing around packages every day exactly you could lift a woman up but also you'd smash a cheeseburger yeah one in each hand exactly so what does this do for you is this a masculine ideal for you would you say at the minute so do you know what I wouldn't say I do like it but it's not it's really interesting there's something about it that is like a little bit of a turn off but I can't quite figure out what it is it reminds you of your dad probably well no that would be a turn on would it come on this is basic stuff is it basic stuff the more like my dad the better but surely there's a point where it passes and it turns you off because it is your dad at the point where it's a 100 % match yeah little bit of a turn off so what do you think can we get closer to where you're at sexually at the minute so we got if it's that I thought you'd never ask let's move this to what mask can I deal so how tall is this guy I guess maybe he looks a bit short like a short kid no no no he's wearing high-waisted trousers Is there a male celebrity at the minute who kind of epitomises your male sexual ideal?

52:11I wouldn't say I'm like going out of my way. Chalamet, what's your opinion on Chalamet? No, so that I've done that. I've been there and I've done that. You've got to take Timothy Chalamet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Been there, done that. Wow. Throwing that out. Yeah, fucked him. Been there, done that. I had a boyfriend who looked so much like Timothy Chalamet. Puckish. Before Chalamet was a thing. Yeah, sort of like dainty. Yeah. Dainty. He gets bruised by the wind. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Virgin. Ben Kentish? Why have you got Ben Kentish up? What did you find Ben Kentish for the LBC? Been there, done that.

52:45Been there, done that. I'd say Ben Kentish is about as down the line as you can get. All right. He's not Chalamet at all. Is he doing something for you, Charlie, Ben Kentish? Not at all. Not at all. I'll try and find a guy that I've had to. You might listen to the pod. Sorry, Ben Kentish. What about Tom Swartbrick? Now, what about John Cleese? Hey? Now. My hear me out is early John Cleese. well yeah oh yeah okay when he's shouting it yeah do you know but has he lost his hair at this point early John Cleese like yeah like 5-10 years ago comb over the hairline let's see if I believe so it's really it's height height is crucial I'm enjoying height I think height's always been one of the most that's probably the most vapid women get with sexuality is the height thing that's the thing that a lot of angry incels throw back at women yes it's kind of the most male thing that women have is that they're very quite strict with height and you guys can't really do anything about it which is what's what well It's like...

53:31Okay, can we get... Look, leg extenders. Charlie, can you type... Okay, I'm not sure I actually back this with... Oh, no, that's kind of nice. No, no, there's something... Yeah, no. There's something about him, for sure. Get... There we go. So what you do is you break the bone, then you extend it with like a... So basically, they fully... Yeah, do more of that. Yeah, they fully disable themselves. You can barely walk, but you get like maybe three inches taller. But you have to sit down all the time. So just get a high chair. Yeah. Just get a high chair. Do you know what I have? What I do know about my type is I don't think I've ever dated a blonde man.

54:01Interesting. Okay. Sorry, so that's you out. It feels like a person's attack, but what do you think that is? I don't know. I used to think of myself as a, I like that because in One Direction, my favourite one was Niall. Interesting. But I think that was actually more of like a let's be real about this. Let's be real about, what do you mean? Like which one could I get? Oh, I see. The blonde was attainable. Yeah. He's dumb, easily tricked. Niall isn't a natural blonde, says our researcher. Sorry. Furious researcher. Isn't a natural blonde? You're kidding. Well, maybe that's why I was attracted to him.

54:32Because deep down, he had the spirit of a brunette. So the beefcake era, now in some, this is where there's like a fork in the road. So you've got the 70s beefcake, my ideal. Yeah. And then - But you like beefcake as well, just in general. I like cake, I like beef.

54:49But then you have, it kind of doubles down where you get the Schwarzenegger bodybuilding. Yes, that's where you get it. Gym culture begins in the 80s. Yeah, I don't like that for sure. The handbrake is off. we're all going all in getting as big as possible and then you have the other path which is androgy Bowie neuromantic heroin basically playing with gender yes as if it's just nothing yeah as if it's just some sort of play thing yeah it's incredibly serious yeah it's restricted it's a box you should stay in it yeah yeah yeah but Bowie and Jagger those gender traitors they wear makeup jewellery platform shoes yeah gender terrorists gender terrorists yeah and then but meanwhile the brave guerrilla fighters of Schwarzenegger and Serbatois Stallone are trying to keep a grip on masculinity they're not they're playing I mean women look at how tight that is women don't get involved in this at all how far could he throw you well I'd like to know there you go yeah I would like to know but I don't but I don't find that attractive that's too much arm for me that's that's like yeah it's a lot this is what we were saying about dicks it's like too arm it's clumsy It's clumsy.

55:57It's clumsy. It's clumsy. Maybe you've actually won me around. So obviously I'd say the 80s is probably the worst time for male hair, I would say. Hair is the biggest thing, I think. Go on. I think you can get away with a lot if you've got a good head of hair. So I guess the other vein thing that women throw at men, it's the height and the baldness. That's another big one. Short bald guy, game over. But interestingly, yeah. Game over. Shout out. Sorry to a lot of your viewers. Most of our patrons are short bald guys. and that was the sound of 30 ,000 people turning off but so now in Hollywood as we see with the Zen pic there might be the death of sort of fat people in the media with turkey and hair transponder we're not going to see balding hair transponder I do think there's something missed let's get Robert Duvall on so like the 70s hairline I do think women there was a ruggedness but didn't you think I thought bald was maybe going to have a comeback look at this oh no no no no you don't understand he's 29 in that photo.

56:56That's phenomenal. Do you not think, I thought for a moment bald would be back when Charlie XCX married a bald guy. Yes. That could have been huge if they knew, that's true, right. Don't you, wouldn't you say? Because I think gays rock bald quite well because you shave it off confidently and you wear a vest and that tight vest bald thing kind of works. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a bit different to like England fans. But he's not gay. Yes, but he's playing with the Dalston thing. Do you know what I mean? He's playing once again. They're both queer baiting. Yeah, sure. Right? They're both actually quite a committed straight couple.

57:26Very different to my queer beta. You actually rattle. Yeah, cages. You put queer people in. But then I'm thinking more about the mullets in the 80s. Oh, yes. What now you'd say is present day Australian fashion. Yeah, very nice. Australian culture is now starting to become global. Yeah, it's catching up. Yeah. So you have the moustache, the mullet. um the 90s again we lose the muscles and it and it sort of settles curtains pretty boy beckham uh the curtains this is what i probably got i have shown in in hairdressers this is but this is once again i'm playing the hair i've got but i would probably go 90s do you know i kind of think given this given the um types of images i used to show at the hairdressers i would go into the hairdressers and just show a picture of a girl who in retrospect i just fancied beyonce yeah yeah can i have this and they just be like okay we can't do that but is that the same for guys when you're taking in a photo to the hairdresser is it a little bit like oh he's just hot it's pretty uh embarrassing it's more i want to be that guy yeah it is more just james bond every time it's one of the most vulnerable humiliating things through the barrel of the gun for a straight man to go into a barber's and be like this is a guy can i look like him please humiliating.

58:41He looks happy. What would you say usually? I'd go Leo 90s. But it's more, it's not my favourite look, I just don't. Timothy Dalton. That's like a thing on TikTok now is they'll say like, if you want to look at your hottest self, you should find a celebrity who looks kind of like you and then copy everything they do. Have you heard that? That's a great bit of advice. It's basically like, look at the colours they wear. Peter Dinklage. What sort of fits is he wearing? you need leg reduction surgery first yeah yeah i guess yeah maybe beard oh yeah hat yeah yeah because what i'm sort of doing is i'm doing the pretty boy aesthetic with a sort of chopped face so it's kind of like yeah i don't know if he's got any sort of style that i'd be copying yeah who's your i'm still figuring it out i haven't figured maybe chapel rhone maybe i guess i had that a bit but i think that's more just because of having a red hair that's probably what they want you to do is actually like figure you tricked me gender terrorist we need we need to wrap up we're being attacked i thought we were getting chapel we're being attacked by gender terrorists still we need to get through the metrosexual phase of course the 2000s beckham was wearing a saran yes i mean beckham he he chops beckham turns the world gay for a decade did beckham have an impact on you guys.

1:00:01He had an impact on everyone. There were kids with mohawks in our school. But his influence no no no. His influence on he's probably the most influential man on male hair ever. Because he would do new hairstyles every year and whatever he chose was the hair. A generation to go through his hairstyle. That's kind of amazing to get to that point. Number one photo. Let's get Beckham meeting Mandela. Now this is Beckham's best haircut. What you're going to meet may be the most iconic black man of all time. Potentially Mandela. Yeah. The most iconic man of the 20th century, potentially. Oh my God. He goes in cornrows.

1:00:34Now, that's a confident hairstyle. Cornrows and a fleece. That's equality. Okay. He's fixed racism. That's modern day South Africa. Okay. Oh my God. You're only doing that post-apartheid. Yeah. A man who has such good hair that he can do whatever he wants with it, seemingly. Who am I meeting? Mandela. Cornrows, please. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like... Wagwan Nelson. Look how small his forehead is. Okay, he's not aware of what Mandela's done. He's a himbo. You can't wear cornrows and a cardigan and be white. It's the 2000s, you could. You could. I guess that was his equivalent. Favorite Beckham haircut, genuine.

1:01:09Like, what do you think? I think spiky hair, Beckham's probably one of the best haircuts. The frosted tips when he scores from the half, that kind of like platinum blonde, when he's still got the curtains, before the my walk. Yeah. I also like the shaved head with the massive, it looked like a Nazi eagle on his neck, but it's not. um yeah i think that's kind of yeah the curtains 98 is pretty good i think we need a movement towards curtains back in curtains are nice uh now in the 2010s you'd get the start of the dad bod which again is sort of uh is this a response to body positivity this is the male body positivity i'd say but again it's not body positivity wasn't woman but wasn't mum bod no because you wouldn't say say that but it was mum bod but you would say empowerment because what a mum bod actually is is when basically you knock your vaginal wall through and you just have one hole down there.

1:01:59That's a mum bod. Let's bring that back. I thought we could knock you through here. Yeah, yeah. My ass and my vagina are the same. Right, yeah. She's got a mum bod. Yeah. And she's got chewed nipples. I mean, the motherhood experience is different to the fatherhood one. Yeah. You know, we just get a bit fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The mum bod's more serious. I know, that's tough. Yes. That's tough. Well, it's, yes, devastating. But I'd say the dad bod, again, body positivity is driven more by women in the 2010s would you say actually that the body positive movement is the sort of the first time it's like a battle over the ideal which it feels like has been male-led this entire time trying to reclaim the and then it's social media it's democratized media it's trying to paint culture from the ground up rather than the top down well it was trying to make it a communal democratic thing yes exactly you're not striving to an ideal yeah whatever you think is we're all beautiful in our own way oh wait as mpick no let's all be things i feel like the thing that is that has always made the biggest difference for me was that would never be like a big movement it's always just like hearing someone you just hear like a one of your friends talk about someone they find fit and you go i don't find them fit and then you go all right people just find different things fit yeah it's kind of that simple uh then of course there's a backlash to that where you get looks maxing which is kind of where we're at now yeah um you have clavicular smashing his face up with a hammer to try and accentuate uh jawlines and cheekbones i guess the the clavicular it comes out of incel culture which i never really understood in so like thesis that women are vain and will only go for genetically superior men when it's kind of the vice versa and ugly men have done so well romantically i always had it weird that the incel thing was i was forced to have this hideous face therefore i'll never have sex therefore i'm gonna either take it or shoot up a school when it's like ugly men there's so many they're actually doing amazing just be funny yeah yeah yeah like you're such if you're an ugly woman you should be shooting a school up yeah for sure yeah you have way more genuinely yeah yeah um and i guess if out of that uh comes looks maxing because it's this idea that if you want to move up in the world you have to be look perfect as a man i think it's also about control because i think like for me as a kid i was when i was like stressed about the way i looked what was so terrifying about it was like i have no control over it like i can't change it yeah and then you hear about plastic surgery and then you and then you're like okay so i guess i could control it if i had enough money but now it's like all you need is like a hammer and you can just go to town and with that in mind i'm going to throw to our patreon episode this week which where paddy will be back and annual will still be here and we'll be talking about the history of plastic surgery wow i just did an amazing link liquid podcasting we've got to wrap up anya thanks so much for coming on thank you would you like to plug anything?

1:04:43Yes. What should I plug? Newly single? Peach fuzz, which is about your ass hair. She's looking for a man to bend over a barrel. If you think my ass hair is peach fuzz, he was so naive. That's just the rest. Yeah, it's on tour around the place. And you're also on tour about the place. I'm on tour about the place. bring a barrel bring a ring around the country yeah lock up your sons lock up your daughters lock up your nephews and yeah and daughters and your daughters and the dads and the mums mums are fine there's dogs and rabbits eating each other it's a blood bath yeah anyway Anya's out there her stand-up's great you should see her live it's fantastic yeah I can't speak to her to what she's like on a date but brilliant comic SNL's back as well at some point yeah yeah and we'll see you on the Patreon for this year Plastic Surgery From all of us here, goodbye!

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