Men: Talk To Your Mates (and then Behead them) | Feudal Japan (Part 1)

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0:58Propel fitness water with Gatorade electrolytes. zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with gatorade electrolytes i think the big problem with samurai today yeah is mental health definitely none of us talk anywhere near enough i completely agree we need to open up more you know the mental health toll amongst samurai it's a hidden illness really and do you know what i think actually the problem is masculinity. I'm sorry, I'll cut you off. No, no, no, you're a guest on my podcast.

1:37I come on your podcast and I'd cut you off. No, no, you're a guest, I can't possibly. I interrupted, I can't live with this disorder. I must kill myself. No you got it, you got it. I'm gonna kill myself. No, you cannot, no, it's my dishonor. I can't live with this dishonor. I can't live with this dishonor! I can't kill myself!

2:12welcome back to fin versus history i'm joined by horatio gould and today he's gone for it today accent fans rejoice here we go we're talking about feudal japan this is a one for the accent lovers out there fellow fellow ethnographers join me gather around it's going to be a fun one we've been walking our way through you know post-war britain with the least opportunity for accents and we're coming back with a big four-parter on feudal japan that noise i made there actually was a anime you don't really watch anime because you've got a mortgage and kids right yes yeah but uh one of my favorite things about anime is that is how loudly the like basic emotions are yeah it is thinking huh you know well that's the that's the equivalent it's the equivalent of british people just saying sorry for everything i want to i want to build that into normal life though if you ever think about something you go just every time i ask you a question

3:22yes but thank you for sticking with us through the the post-war british prime minister series near the end people were commenting that it's arguably getting a bit stale all of this now and you know what it was a experiment to sort of cleave off our fan base right some people were saying when we got to the end i can't believe you're stopping now you've just got to the good bit well fear not we have gone as far away as possible from heath wilson etc exactly we're in feudal japan right now feudal japan is um with it's sort of the 12th century to the 19th century 700 years and and i must say that i long long time listeners of this podcast will know that i i firm believe that the not all history is created equal right and that the medieval period is the preserve of autists and pedophiles.

4:08But I have to say that I absolutely love this. The preserve of pedophiles. Yes, it's like marmalade for nonsense. They're spreading this shit on their toast. Disgusting medieval nonsense. But I must say that I absolutely loved this. And I think I found a period of medieval history that I, as a straight man with a mortgage, can enjoy guilt-free. Now, yeah, I loved it too. But what is it? The sheer amount of suicide. It is amazing. It's phenomenal. Because obviously it's quite a racist trope, you know, just constantly committing sapouku. I don't think it is, actually. After doing research, they fucking loved it.

4:45They cannot get enough of killing themselves. They can't stop. It's not like a, it's not just a trope or a stereotype. They fucking. It's the leading cause of death for 700 years. They can't wait to kill themselves. And it's, it's. They keep sticking their head around the door is, have I dishonored myself? No, you haven't. It's the equivalent of you're in a pub, You spill someone else's drink and instead of offering to buy them a new one, you go, shall I kill myself? And then it's - No, I'll kill myself. No, no, no. Please, please allow me. And it's, it is insane. I enjoyed spending time in the research.

5:19And they're jealous when they hear someone else has killed themselves. They're like fucking, he managed to go out with such a fucking bang. He ripped, he cut his own guts out. God, I fucking wish I was in. He died doing what he loved. So this is when Japan, obviously Japan gets compared to Britain quite a lot with both island nations of similar size yes and we both got similar kind of weird social customs i guess grow from being an island nation right well maybe they push the englishness to a level you know the titanic is the ultimate british suicide this after you to death this makes me question whether i am in fact presbyterian and whether my mom's actually japanese yeah it makes us feel like italians exactly i'm like god we're such can't we keep our emotions in check for one minute us brits these guys are literally farting at the dinner table and then killing themselves it's crazy the amount of seppuku seppuku is a ritualised suicide that as we've said is sort of it's the air they breathe it's killing themselves and that's why I enjoy spending time in this research because you know I mean you have routines about it I have routines about it the current fetishisation of trauma porn and the Stephen Bartlett kind of depression industrial complex could not be further away from the attitudes to Imperial Japan Are you saying a samurai going on Diary of a Samurai?

6:33Yeah. It's not happening. Because you don't really get very far. No, you don't. The first five minutes, their guts are on the table. No, it's just Stephen Byerly interviewing a corpse. Yeah. So you struggle with depression. Okay, well, you solved that. Yeah. They love tea and suicide, the Japanese. Yeah, they do. Both two ceremonies, you know. so feudal japan really kicks off uh with the guenepay war right there's gonna be a lot of words and there's a lot of names that it's gonna be hard to pronounce but i don't want any fedoras in the comments going hum actually well you picked the wrong podcast because i must say that this is feudal japan this is fedora you know law this is have you if you watch love on the spectrum it's history for school shooters yeah it's you know the people who like this is history for people who own 3D printers.

7:22Yeah, villain origin story of every school shooting is this. Have you seen Love on the Spectrum? I have. You know, James is my favourite. James, the absolute goat, the guy with the kind of quite curly hair. He's my absolute... My favourite of that whole series is when he meets... There he is. What a fucking legend this guy is. I definitely am on the pod. When he meets his friends, you know, he's got... And then he goes to a sushi restaurant and he's the least autistic one. It's absolutely amazing. there's a guy in a full leather matrix uh yeah like tinted glasses and fedora and uh you know this is this is that period this is history for people who uh collect nunchucks yeah know how to use them yeah uh and it starts at the genepe war in the end of the 12th century which is a pivotal turning point as this is where centralized japan starts to break down yeah and um so it's been centralized yeah they've got an emperor they love an emperor but the emperor has been a kind of puppet the emperor's like a teapot right yeah it's like a ritual piece of china yeah that you the excitement in your eyes yeah i know flash before me just diving head of the back stick you couldn't believe i couldn't believe it just set up perfectly a beckon ball from the halfway way line how has he found this it's ban percy against against spain um no it's imperial piece of japan that's bread and butter stuff you've got me you've got me putting those away or you're not worth your salt you're getting subbed off if you're not putting that in the in the gulf anyway i can't remember what the fuck we're talking about well that the emperor is is a ritualistic thing almost yes yeah or is it at this point because it keeps changing right so they have an emperor and then it collapses yeah and then they bring it back right they're always bringing the emperor back but the emperor is a sort of it's like constitutional monarchy in the way that we have a sort of but even crazy because throughout this period the emperor loses all his money becomes completely irrelevant and basically has to beg uh daimios for money yeah and a daimio is like a lord the feudal system and it is quite a lot like medieval england set up it's all feudal lords fighting with you know it's the war of the roses but it's on speed yeah um so this yeah the guinepe war ends the sort of uh mark the transition to uh the regime military regimes local regime dominated by the war of the rices um not the war of the roses which is what i have after christmas dinner um uh desperate struggle for the best chockeys yeah your kids are trying to fight them off you and then i accidentally a orange one i have to kill myself um so a decisive moment in samurai culture now samurais are uh knights basically but obviously all our fans will have samurai swords they'll have katanas they'll have spent their lands inheritance on actual swords uh they'll become knights at this point samurai means to serve and it's kind of more of like uh it's more of like a a servant of a lord yeah it becomes it there's a contract to private protection.

10:34Because obviously the Western view of the samurai is sick as hell. Yeah. Right. Our view of the samurai is just like this fucking, this very exoticized view. What have you got up? This is the heaviest Japanese person ever. Wow. I'm surprised. I would go, I would think they'd be heaviest seeing as the... Is he a sumo wrestler? Yeah. He is. He's the heaviest sumo wrestler. Yeah. He's called Yamamoto Yama. What I like about sumo is that they've given the fatest people in the world like an honorable way to live you know yeah in america you got my 500 pound life yeah and there's a documentary following you try to get down the stairs yeah right but with these guys you're like sports stars and it just feels nice that you have like an option yeah it's like that's david beckham in japan yamamutai ryoto and like why aren't we doing that for like lizzo yeah do you know what i mean well why aren't we getting lizzo to fight rick wallow and yeah i guess that makes sense mcmanus mcmanus versus lizzo why are we not getting lizzo to sumo wrestle is a good question i think it's a perfectly legitimate question i think i think what get that flute out her mouth and get a nappy on it i don't get enough respect i'm only like an international pop star i'd i wish i was i was doing something more respectful like sumo wrestling that's my point sumo wrestling is the it's the height of japanese culture you know so are sumo wrestlers are they born are they born fat or are they I think they're bread like cows yeah like wagyu beef you know how it's sort of massaged to be like marbled so as in when a sumo wrestler is training are they just sort of piling on milk beef and milk and stuff yeah I mean I think it would be probably terrifying to see what a sumo wrestler eats 20 ,000 calories in a day they eat 10 times what a normal male eats it's a young Finn Taylor and it's done two massive meals wow yeah at my peak at my peak i was in a it wasn't a sumo camp in my head this episode of inverse history is brought to you by surf shark friends at surf shark they are our friends now if you're traveling are you being on your holidays anywhere nice say you're going to turkey to get your horrible hair and teeth done exactly uh and you want to whatsapp your thick girlfriend yeah if i'm there with a massive bandage on my head yeah and i want to be picked up by my thick stupid girlfriend and i'm like trying to use whatsapp you try to open whatsapp in turkey your phone explodes well there's nothing i can do that's where you're wrong really because surf shark if you use a vpn yeah you can use whatever apps you use in this country in turkey no matter what the turks do yeah yeah right boss man's trying to stop me whatsapp in you can waddle around him I don't think so.

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15:30Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. At Equinox, that's high performance loving. Everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox. Start today at equinox.com. Anyway. so yeah so the samurai are knights or they become knights but one of the founding one of the important things uh in the samurai legend is that the chinese invade japan in 12 no sorry the um the mongols invade japan kubla khan founder of the yuan dynasty in china yeah no because remember the mongol empire we did this it split into four sections and one of the the four sections was the huan dynasty huan yuan dynasty right so huan anyway the huan dynasty so the mong the mongols or the chinese it doesn't really matter it's the same thing at this point and still today if you're if you're me uh the the chinese mongols they invade japan in 1274 this is a big this is like the spanish armada sort of in the japanese yes yeah mentality this this is a really defining So 40 ,000 soldiers, they arrive, and the samurai are obviously, at this point, they're mainly like dance-off combat kind of thing.

16:45They're completely unprepared for the Mongols, who are obviously devastating at this point. Have you seen battle simulators? Do you ever watch those, where it's like 10 ,000 Chuck Norris's versus like 9 ,000 chickens and stuff like that? No, no. You know, you've seen battle simulators. Well, it feels like one of those, like having Mongols versus samurai, it feels like a sort of, you put it into a battle simulator. Yeah. So it's off. There's lots of YouTube videos recreating this because it's like, it feels like... Yeah, it's how autistic people sleep at night. Yeah. So the Japanese defenders are sort of struggling to resist.

17:16And then this, quote, divine wind, which is in Japanese, that means kamikaze. Yeah. Basically a typhoon just wrecks the entire fleet. Yeah. And this then... A lot of armada. Yeah. And the same thing happens again in 1281 where about 140 ,000 soldiers from the Mongols come over. And again, this massive wind, kamikaze, destroys them. And so the samurai now have this kind of... Sumo farted. Lizzo farts. And the Mongols can't deal with it. And then so they kind of feel like they're blessed by whatever god they believe in. Blah, blah, blah. And does that lead to the samurai being... Sorry, the kamikaze, that's the origins of the word, which then obviously is where we get the kamikaze pirates from.

18:03Anyway, so blah, blah, blah. The emperor then in the 14th century, his authority declines and this war breaks out between the emperor and one of the daimyo, the Hojo. And at some point, the emperor, or rather one of the forces sides of the emperor, and rather than fight the emperor, the Hojo response is that all of them get in a room, 870 of their extended family. Get the guys in. And they just all commit synchronised seppuku. Like, you know, you're in a gym and you see the old lady synchronised swimming. Imagine they're all just killing themselves. 870. Crazy. That's the second largest mass suicide in history.

18:51So wait, is it Heaven's Gate? is the largest. Oh, what, the Jonestown? Yeah. I guess, is it? Which we will do a patron on because that's awesome. That is awesome. I absolutely love. That's pure Wikipedia fare. That's one of the best Wikipedia scrolls. Yeah. Is the Heaven's Gate Massacre. 870. Imagine, extended family, just all in the house. Do you know what? I'd love that. At Christmas? Yeah, I'd love that. With your in-laws. With your in-laws. With my aunts, in-laws, cousins. And then what I do, I don't do it. Yeah, you don't do it. I'm waiting for everyone else. You've got one of those swords you only put it in and it retracts.

19:24Oh no, I haven't done it. And I'll just walk away. And I'd never have to be in a fucking WhatsApp group again. So they set it on fire at the same time as doing it. That's awesome. Yeah, brilliant. So then the emperor's technically back, but then he gets deposed again. And essentially, this just happens again and again and again. And we start to enter the Sengoku period. Right. So this is where the samurai really start to come into their own as like sick incel heroes. Yeah, because it was a unified Japan. Now it's collapsed into feudal warlords and every feudal warlord daimyos has to have an army of samurai to...

19:55It's just... It's a complete mess. So the samurai originally emerged from the bushy class. Right. I don't know if I'm saying that right. Bushy clad. Bushy clad. The bushy clad. Yes. Yeah. What's that? Kind of hairy fanny with blood on it, I guess.

20:13Say what you mean, Charlie. Enough with the innuendo, Charlie. I guess it's doing quite a lot of heavy lifting. It's a hairy fanny with blood on it. I guess. I guess you are guessing. Yeah. A bushy clad. Show me the bushy clad. Who on earth is asking for that? Is that rap Jamaican island culture in the 70s? Bushy clad. Yeah, it was briefly the bushy clad. Your wife got them bushy clad. You got tampons stuck in bushy clad. Amazing. 50 minutes into the Japanese episode, we've got Jamaica on. How have we got a Jamaican accent in? Greedy. Greedy. Greedy. Anyway, so the samurai's primary role is to serve and defend their...

20:56Daino. Daino. Daino. The lords, the magicians. Daino. And my best friend's my granddad. And so they basically become sort of vassals, warriors of the lord. And now their code, their code... So they're all the daino... I'm imagining all the dainos. The daino, the magician, impossible. That's what they all are. So no, those are the lords, and then the samurai are a bunch of hairy fanny tampons. anyway um so the samurai are bound by a code yeah and again as i'm saying this is what i like about feudal japan is that um there's rules there's very strict rules if you if you don't adhere to the rules you kill yourself and you're lucky to now the way of the warrior is called the bushido right so the samurai were uh defined by the bushido bushido a lot of chivalric code yeah and so the several core values of the Bushido honor, loyalty courage, self-control and benevolence and so betraying your lord loyalty was more important than your life yes that's it isn't it that's where all the seppuku comes from and I wonder whether the religious foundation for Japanese people Shinto, Buddhism I sounded like that woman in them uh shinto buddhism buddhism buddhism you're not a buddhist yeah i wonder if because they don't really they think they're gonna is it reincarnation or something so if you support yourself they don't even seem to talk about reincarnation no i guess they're buddhist elements but what's interesting about japan and sort of china is that it's not like islamic or christian countries where it's deeply deeply defined by one religion no it's like there's There's folk religions, there's Buddhism, but it's not like these huge wars of faith in the same way.

22:50It's much more like just the culture of Japan is a religion itself. Do you know what I mean? Pokemon. Yeah. That's people's religion. Hello Kitty. Hello Kitty. Come on. Hentai pornography, you know. Yeah. This is the long road to squid porn, we should say. How does a country end up thinking that's acceptable? But like, you know, England is within a European context, but japan is like because of the isolationism it's it's actual cultural identity is so strong that it doesn't need to define itself by religion in the same way i feel no but i'm wondering how how do you you know the seppuku being the the consequence of disloyalty how does a country think that that is okay or uh appropriate given from our perspective you know right well how do you get to that point yeah it must be because you have an attitude to life where life is is temporary what's that saying they go that suicide is a temporary solution to a permanent problem but they're like no other way around no suicide's a permanent problem permanent solution to a temporary problem yeah to the japanese it's a suicide therapy is the temporary solution to the permanent problem of being alive we must we haven't placed any of this and we should place this so this is the uh 16th century japan right where we'll start off sort of so this is um it's after the reformation in Europe.

24:16Yep. And this is before, I think this is very crucial, it's before Rennies. Right. Because if they had indigestion, they would just sepouca themselves. Oh, that's lovely. Oh, after a person was dead. You can get like a graph of the invention of Rennies and the amount of sepouca. I think it immediately declines. I think as Rennies come in. Oh, just had indigestion. Yeah, it turns out, wasn't dishonor. Well, you send the sepouca's to unreleased gas. Yes. that the rennies with otherwise yeah exactly I guess it's controlled seppuku a rennie right it is yeah it's an inside drop rennie it's like the hurt locker going in to you know defuse a bomb it's before Gaviscon it's before rennies this is how Japanese people are getting rid of trapped winds this is the pre-rennie period this is the pre-rennie period some people call it the Sengoku period we call it the pre-rennie period it's because the Japanese are struggling with trapped wind that's why they sound like that yeah

25:11there you go anyway um someone must have sepuked themselves and farted at the same time yeah so far so far too for the fuck sepuku sepuku sepuku yeah sepuku yeah from a young age in the what is it charlie is it um kind of like a moral high ground thing like no matter what you've done if you then kill yourself yeah the other person can't be in order of you basically less than reoconation i just think uh it's just having an honorable death it's it means that you can just put a great full stop to your life and it makes your whole life have meaning right exactly so you've done something wrong which could be you've walked into the house with the wrong shoes on yeah and you've gone i can't bear to live with that shame so what i will do is i will uh i will pass permission may commit suicide and if my lord grants me the honor of saying yes yes i will get down on my knees i'll wear a little white robe and i'll just gut myself like a fish and then they have this second person who's called the kalakalaka i don't know what it's called yeah but they write a little poem as well write a little death poem through an instagram post yeah peaky blinders snakes all of you you're all snakes and then they uh they get a short sword and they draw it across their belly and their guts spill out yeah and that's supposed to be like a then the other dinner guests arrive then they step over them step over them wrong shoes was it And then their mate chops their head off.

26:33Because if they don't chop their head off, it would take you up to 90 minutes to die from disemboweling yourself. Be a mate, would you? So that's how they do it at the start. And then they introduce a second bloke to kind of cut your head off. Because that's where the honour comes in. Mates don't let other mates sepuk you about chopping their heads off. Come on, mate. Chop your mate's head off. Don't keep it all inside. Yeah, it's not talk to your mates. Chop your mate's head off. Men, you need to disembowel yourself. The samurai are trained from a young age and the sword is called the katana.

27:12Best sword in the world. Yeah, and it's interesting, or it's not actually that interesting, but I was reading about why a samurai sword is so much better. They fold the steel over. Yeah, it's because they don't actually have that good iron in Japan. So they come up with this technique of folding the iron or the metal over and over and over again. so it becomes really strong through folding origami i don't fucking know yeah the origami steel they have those little things what are those called i don't know what they're called paper mache not paper no you fucking idiot what are they called the little things we fold the paper i said so confidently paper mache the little thing where you go you have uh you write like four little things fortune you know what you know what you know origami no we just said that you fucking

28:07it's where you you have you're at school you have the four things and a little quadrant carter and a cootie carter sorry phoebe's caught whatever charlie's got a cootie catcher it's not a cootie catcher they're not called that anymore you can't call gay people that anymore phoebe please our research is blatant homophobia cootie catchers of course both cootie catchers you just call us both gay he's writing cootie catcher on the screen oh god right anyway it's that thing isn't it whatever that is no it's not that it's not i didn't do it then i did lego yeah whatever it doesn't matter i don't know why we even came up with it the katana so uh the Samurai trained from a young age.

28:51And this is called the wakashudo. I sound like John Travolta there. The wickedly pounder. Wakashudo. And James Brown. Jinza McGinnity. Wakashudo. The way of the young. Or shudo. And this is a fantastic, this is absolutely fantastic, socially sanctioned homosexual practice amongst the samurai classes. I love this shit. Yeah, this is good stuff. Very Greek, this. Very Greek. Yeah. very victorian yeah very nambler very nambler one of our most controversial patron specials the angriest we found the line with most of our patrons when we did a whole episode of the north american man boy love association it wasn't historical enough that was the issue we did get drawn up child porn which probably was a line come on um now this is uh this is socially sanctioned homosexual relationships between a young uh samurai and his master or his or his uh mentor, I guess.

29:47A typically older ninja who paired with a younger Chigo. Chigo! And the man was permitted, if the boy agreed, or maybe not, to take the boy as his lover until the boy came of age. And then ruined. Where he would become ruined from a male perspective and he would get passed on to disgusting women. Yeah. So the relationship was formalised in a quote, brotherhood contract. I guess you could say that. My bro. and it was expected to be exclusive with both partners swearing to take no other brackets male love it so there's a lot of jealousy and like yeah commit this commitment right so it's a codified system of age structured homosexuality that's what shudo is and the older partner the the ninja not ninja will come to those ninjas aren't all nonsense otherwise i'd have to throw up my air fryer i've got a nonce air fryer i can't believe it anyway chucking your air fryer out the window such a funny they what they're nonsense imagine seeing your neighbour throw their air fryer in the black bin nonsense a lot of them fucking ridiculous it is ridiculous I can't believe I fell for it anyway the ninja would teach the chigo martial skills warrior etiquette I know I do feel the Japanese words is giving this a lot more like a ritualistic sacredness than what it is.

31:14Look, this is the key. If you name something, it doesn't seem as perverted. It's pedophilia. I don't know why this is... It's not pedophilia. It's a code of honour. If the boy agreed, brackets, or if he didn't. Now, the relationship was... This is how orientalised. This is amazing, ritualistic code. Who's a pedo? Is a guy in an Asda car park? It's not an Asda car park. it's an ancient code of honor yeah the relationship was mutually ennobling you know what's ennobling i've never heard the word ennobling does that make each other more noble yes exactly it's mutually beneficial i guess pedophilia is ennobling it's a noble the ninja would the ninja would be a good role model for his little chigo yeah right both parties are expected to be loyal until death and to assist the other in feudal duties and in honor driven obligations so sex between the couple was expected to end when the boy came of age the honorable thing to do honorable thing to do and if you had sex with that boy a day past his 18th birthday you would kill yourself yeah for being not being a peter sex with majors that's incredible isn't that amazing this is this is the culture we're discussing today if you have sex with someone who is of age yeah of the same gender as you you have to kill yourself to redeem yourself isn't Isn't that incredible?

32:30What a world. What a world. Take me back. Well, this is what's interesting about Japan being quite isolated. They come up with their own stuff without influence. What are they doing over there? Exactly. What's going on over there? This is what happens when you don't have loads of other outside influences. You're kind of like, well, I don't know. No one else told us this shit was weird. What? We're not meant to go. Oh, right. This is our culture. Well, I don't know. Yeah, we haven't really spoke to anyone for like 600 years. Yeah, exactly. If you leave them - What have you been doing that? Yeah.

32:58Yeah, pretty fruity. So sexual activity of the women was not barred. And once the boy came of age, they were sick to open to and find other male lovers. And the ninja, the older man, is the active penetrative partner. That's very important. Very important. And the younger Chigo would submit to... He'd get bummed up the arse. Yeah. I just thought, enough of this flowery language. Because, yes, the older had to be the penetrative partner. and it was basically not seen as gay if you were the penetrative part. And the adult men were not permitted to play the role of the Chigo. Yeah, that was seen as very weird.

33:35And again, playing the role of the Chigo is getting bummed up the arse. Yes, yeah. But it's a very nice way of saying it. Yeah. What are you doing tonight? I'm playing the role of the Chigo. I'm getting pegged. You've played the role of the Chigo, haven't you, Charlie? I have, yeah. Many times. Who's your ninja? Are we your ninjas? We can be. I think we are. We can be. I think we can be. um charlie's archigo only pre-adult boys are considered legitimate targets targets it's a moving target it's like clay pigeon shooting it is pull anyway um fuck bum so uh now we need to we need to get to we do the start of our narrative really so in the mid 16th century yeah um which is where this chaos really starts to kick off yeah is uh the portuguese arrive right they're shipwrecked and i don't know what they're where they're fucking going yeah i mean they've got a base in macau but this is portuguese golden age they're kind of like they lead the age of sales so this is the period the portuguese divide the world into two yes yes and the spanish get the new world yeah the west and portuguese get the east so that's which is a sort of um something that this podcast really supports dividing the world into two it's just It's like white people looking at a map and saying, well, you have that, I'll this.

34:58Charlie, what have you brought up there? I think this is Achigo getting... Yes, that is. That is. Now, that's quite a beautifully done ancient Japanese drawing. Isn't that incredible? That now blurs penetration. Wow! Look at his hog. Oh, my God. So, for those listening, I would switch to video now if you're on Spotify. Is this going to get taken down, or is it seen as historical art? This is historical art. This is a 16th century wood carving. Because I think with a lot of this stuff, whenever we're talking about like, I don't know, ancient paedophilia, it's all - Has he got his hand in his mouth?

35:34Yeah, look, to be honest, to be honest, because it's all like implied and there's a lot of youth business we've had around it. I think seeing that, where it's like, I don't know what I expected. Sorry, there's a head in the bin over there. That's like a Japanese cuck, but it's just a head. No, no, no. That's a 19 year old. He came of age. oh i see so he's ruined is that someone just going what's going on over there poking his head through a paper wall that's charlie on the internet anyway let's get rid of that print that's incredibly graphic that's crazy crazy anyway it's drawn so it's fine i guess now the portuguese arrive in the 1543 shipwrecked and they introduce christianity and firearms yeah and this is crucial because obviously there's been all this sword stuff yeah and it's chaos you know, there's no central authority, daimyos are fighting.

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