Nazis Are No Match For Knobbly Knees | Monty vs Rommel (Part 1/4)

29 Jun 2026 · 1 h 1 min · 24 chapters

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In short

The North African WWII campaign and the contrasting command styles of British General Bernard “Monty” Montgomery and German General Erwin “Rommel” (Part 1 of a 4-part series), framed with jokes about “knobbly knees” and “Big Shorts” versus Nazis.

Guests

Horatio Gould and Charlie (co-host/researcher). No other guest backgrounds are provided in the transcript.

Key claims

North Africa is portrayed as a uniquely “gentlemanly” WWII theatre (no Einsatzgruppen/Holocaust mentioned; only minor Bedouin casualties via mines). Monty and Rommel embody “autism vs ADHD” (Monty: disciplined, regimented, timetable/sign-focused; Rommel: impulsive, improvisational, blitzkrieg-forward). Rommel is argued to be not a “card-carrying Nazi,” despite being a senior Nazi-era commander.

Notable examples

Monty’s early life (born 1887, 4th of 9 children; harsh upbringing in Australia; nicknamed “Monkey”; Asperger’s suggested; first army posting to Peshawar). Monty’s WWI injuries (shot in the right lung at the Somme/Meta; surviving while British forces think he’s dead; later shot again in the knee). Rommel’s early career (born 1891; joins the 124th Württemberg Infantry Regiment at 18; develops mobile tactics; Battle of Caporetto: 81 guns and 9,000 Italian prisoners). WWII setup: Rommel leads the 7th Panzer Division in France; Monty issues a blunt condoms circular in Normandy.

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Chapters

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Setting the Scene: Monty and Rommel

1:42 to 4:00

Exploring the comedic banter and the personalities of Monty and Rommel in the North African desert.

The North African Campaign

4:00 to 6:00

Discussing the historical significance and dynamics of the North African campaign in WWII.

“You know, they've been bravely fighting off insurgents.”

Montgomery's Background

6:00 to 8:00

An overview of Bernard Law Montgomery's early life and his upbringing.

“Libyan desert must remain in British hands.”

Controversial Proposals

11:45 to 13:59

A humorous discussion on historical age gaps in relationships and societal norms.

“Can you imagine proposing to a 14-year-old?”

Controversial Proposals

14:03 to 16:25

A humorous discussion on historical age gaps in relationships and societal norms.

“They're a Vagina Pussy Network for you basement dwellers who want to - Viral Pedophile Network.”

Monty's Childhood and Early Military Career

16:25 to 17:47

Explore Bernard Montgomery's challenging upbringing and early career in the military.

“So, yeah, Monty has a fairly brutal childhood.”

Social Struggles and Personal Traits

17:47 to 19:16

Discuss the social challenges Montgomery faced and insights into his personality.

Rommel's Background and Comparison

19:16 to 20:28

Learn about Erwin Rommel's background and how it contrasts with Montgomery's.

“this is in sort of Edwardian Britain, probably the most autistic time that there's been.”

Military Philosophy: British vs. German

20:28 to 22:08

Examine the differing military philosophies of the British and German forces during World War I.

“It's a very important part in anyone's life.”

Rommel's Early Military Career

22:08 to 23:28

Detail Rommel's early experiences and acceptance into the military.

“The wasp bar mitzvah is when you're accepted into the 124th Württembergs.”
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Rommel's Personal Life and Relationships

23:28 to 26:45

Discuss the romantic relationships and personal life of Erwin Rommel.

“by giving individuals on the ground freedom to make decisions.”

Both Commanders in World War I

26:45 to 28:01

Explore how both Montgomery and Rommel participated in World War I and their experiences.

“called Gertrude right No, Gertrude is the name of the kid.”

Monty's Combat Stories in WWI

28:01 to 29:09

Learn about the humorous and chaotic first experiences of Montgomery in World War I.

“Now, they both fight in World War I, Monty and Ronvald.”

Injuries and Calamities of War

29:10 to 31:38

Explore the bizarre and calamitous events surrounding Monty's wartime injuries.

“The dyslexia of our researcher is spreading profound disinformation about a national hero.”

Combat Experience and Family Legacy

33:20 to 34:28

Delve into the experiences of soldiers during the Somme and their familial connections.

“Part of the Beast is the must-see adventure of the year.”

Rommel's Rise in WWI

34:29 to 36:58

Understand how Rommel emerged as a significant figure during World War I.

“I mean, it's like, can the guy not catch a break?”

Rommel's Innovative Tactics

36:59 to 42:00

Learn about Rommel's tactics and the dynamics of warfare during his campaigns.

“Because you cause chaos because if you can get behind them, immediately they start thinking they're completely fucked because they don't know how many of you are behind them.”

Rommel's Military Background and Rise

42:00 to 44:40

Understand Rommel's early military career and the circumstances leading to his rise in the Nazi ranks.

“But once again, he's not in the Nazi machine because...”

Rommel's Tactics and Blitzkrieg

44:40 to 47:40

Explore Rommel's unconventional tactics and his association with the blitzkrieg strategy during the invasion of France.

“No, listen, it's a social mobility story.”

Monty's Strategic Approach

47:40 to 50:40

Delve into Montgomery's strategic maneuvers and his contrasting style to Rommel's aggressive tactics.

“She would have seen quite a lot in those years.”

North Africa: The Italian Campaign

50:40 to 55:20

Analyze Italy's military performance in North Africa and Mussolini's declaration of war.

“Because I guess he's marked by trying to always minimize casualties, which I don't know.”

Italy's War Performance and Challenges

55:20 to 56:00

Investigate the challenges faced by Italy during their campaign in North Africa and the implications.

Italy's War in North Africa

56:00 to 57:43

Explore Italy's military shortcomings and plans during the North African campaign.

“And you really see Italy as a country can be framed from the kind of Caesar fighting the Gauls to Mussolini in Libya, right?”

Dueling Forces: A Prelude to Conflict

57:43 to 58:36

Set the stage for the conflict between Mussolini's Italy and the British forces.

“and it is the official start of the Desert Wars.”
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1:42welcome back to fin versus history i'm joined by horatio gould and we're back in world war ii we're in the desert it's happening lads the knees are out the knees are out i'm getting brutally tan mugged you are getting you're getting just come back from tenerife i've been in the desert and then you've decided that we're going to wear shorts and he humiliated me you're being skin mogged completely i mean i look white the best of times but i chose my podcast partners on their whiteness and now you've gone and tanned yourself turns out turns out i've got some uh got some heritage it turns out this is absolutely humiliating and also i've got tiny knees and you've got big knees and then i've got a big head and you've got a small so it's like a weird combination well but this is the beauty standards of of most of the most of history is a small head big thighs because you want a head that you can your head's too big to be to drown in a man's thighs yeah or a woman's thighs right okay and my head's the perfect size okay to fit in perfectly yeah to be cracked like a walnut in between a woman's thighs yeah but then also another fin taylor could fit perfectly with the jeans i could tessellate with myself whereas my massive head is not going to be crushed by these knees your thighs aren't going to take the edge of your fucking massive what's a man meant to do with thighs like that but also you're more historically accurate in that you've you've got the british knobbly knees you look like you look like i've got a patriot's knees i don't know what's going on you've got you've got some not today fucking knees going on i do i've just come back from the western sahara yeah tenerife but it was close to the um yes well i suppose it's before and after isn't it you're you're monty before yeah and uh this is monday world war one this is monday world war two today we're talking about monty and rommel it's the start of an epic four-part series it's a homoerotic love affair it is it's i'd say this now we're monty and rommel the north african desert is my favorite part of world war two this is basically all of us strangers you know that the film with um andrew scott and paul mescal I've not seen it I've not seen it no you can you can assume there's two Irish guys fucking right you can is that what Monty and Rommel's in basically yeah that's why I got out of the research that's not why I like it Monty and Rommel the North African desert they're not two Irish blokes fucking that's not what this is that's the opposite conservative dad at a barbecue getting triggered this is what I'm wearing as well as the barbecue no it's not that actually they're not fucking you're dressed like my dad on some early holidays in the 90s because this is what i love about the north african desert campaign it is the highlight the high point of big shorts yes this is where big shorts beats the nazis it's true it's not something that happens again no i guess big shorts have been a mainstay of the british empire yes but they've normally been mowing down indigenous people with a gatling gun well well so which is Your words.

4:37You know, they've been bravely fighting off insurgents. Yeah, so I guess this is the highlight. They've not been blowing down citizens. This is the highlight of Big Shorts because it's up against another foe that's kind of equal measure. This is like Scouts. You know, this is the high point of brownies, of Scouts fighting Nazis in the desert. The Nazis are on meth and it's sober men in Big Shorts who are saying no. Would you say arguably underrated theatres of the war uncovered like i don't know if it's in the popular imagination that much north africa when it's one of our big thing we've got dunkirk yeah you've got normandy you've got d-day no but this is the this is the only time in the war where the britons actually win without the americans yeah and it's also the high point i guess that's why no one else talks about it exactly yeah and the americans also when they land uh in 1943 they make everything that monty does completely irrelevant yeah and they just didn't need to happen yeah so i guess this is a semi-irrelevant theater in a way it's not irrelevant no it's not irrelevant it's relevant for morale but it's like the the russians aren't saying thank god monty won in el alamein no they're not they're right they fucking saved us yes maybe no this is the most important in big shorts this is the most important part of world war ii is the north african desert okay libya is the key front Libya cannot fall.

6:00Libyan desert must remain in British hands. Yes. Now, we're going to be dealing with Monty and Rommel. What's great about this theatre of war is that it is, firstly, it's the most gentlemanly part of World War II. There are no war crimes. No, you're right. There's no Einsatzgruppen. Yeah. There's no Holocaust. There's a couple of Bedouins who get blown up by field mines. Get out of the kitchen. and he can't stand the heat. Do you know what I mean? It's like I grew up in the kitchen. Get out. Get the fuck off. It's not a kitchen, it's a desert. Take your pyjamas off and put some big shorts on like a man.

6:36All right? It's true. It's the most gentlemanly theatre of conduct. It is genuinely an end-to-end ding-dong for the neutral, of which I'm one. It's the closest World War II gets to football, I think. Yes, it is. Because it's across a pitch, it's expansive, and it's managerial styles. Yes, it is. It's sort of Luis Enrique's PSG versus Arteta's arsenal. I'd say it's closer to Cruyff versus Mourinho. Yeah. It's like Pep versus Mourinho. It's like the most stark iterations. Studying this, we'll get onto it. It is so similar to football. Yes. It's like creating overloads. Going right in behind, beating an offside trap.

7:15Yeah. It's desert warfare. It's the high point of World War II for the Brits, I'd say. And in Monty and Rommel, you have these two personalities who kind of embody styles of warfare and cultures. Although, interestingly, Rommel is not a card-carrying Nazi. Is he not? No, he's a sort of German military man who kind of, he's there all the way, he's in the military before he's in the Nazis. Well, there's a lot of revisionism about Rommel, where he's like, he was kind of a good bloke or something. It was like he was still... Yes, which I disagree with, because he was not a Nazi. so there's always like yeah but he was you know he didn't really he just he just loved tanks no it's like a high one of the most important generals and nazi commander was like you know but he didn't his heart wasn't in it i think his heart was pretty in it what's the badge on his hat what's the badge badge on his hat say there's been less nazi people than that's true it's not the grand scheme of all people who ever to have lived romwell is still one of the most nazi people that's ever been um but uh we're gonna get it's a it's the start of a four-part series an epic world war ii summer yeah the knees are out for a couple of weeks get the knees out we're gonna be joined this is the can can this is this is straight male can can we're gonna be joined in part three and four by pierre novelli finally we're gonna get blown out of the water autism wise our autism and also our legs will be blown out the water we'll never look more or less autistic than we're Noveli's here.

8:42He's going to be like, fuck, we really don't have any of that. We don't know what's going on. Turns out. Also, yeah, is he going to have his legs out? I don't know yet. Because if I'm getting knee-mogged now by you... I'm going to get knee-mogged by him. Noveli. These knees are like, these are top-tier knees. I think Pierre Noveli might be the only man who could drown your head in his thighs. An unstoppable force. An unstoppable force. It's unmovable. Sign up to the Patreon to see that happen. Pierre will sit on Horatio's face and smother him with his... I mean, I think maybe both of my thighs equal one of his thighs.

9:15Yeah, it's pretty extraordinary. People always comment on my thigh gigantism. You don't... You haven't seen anything. You haven't seen nothing yet. All right. Thigh Thanos will join us in part three, part four. So in this part, we're going to deal with Monty and Rommel's early lives. Now let's start with Monty. Bernard Law Montgomery. He's as kind of a British man as it gets, isn't it, this guy? Bernard Law Montgomery. Monte. He's born in 1887. Let's just place that for the listeners. Right, so this is, fuck, this is before, just before Jack the Ripper. And he is born after, he's born, thank you, Charlie, what have you found?

9:58He's born after the first kipper. The first kipper was created in 1843. Created? So what is a kipper? It's a smoked herring. It was before Jack the Ripper, it was after, it um first kipper uh john would just kipper john would you created the famous delicacy is it a delicacy of kipper yeah my parents and grandparents are absolutely hammering kippers hammering hammering them you went to hammer delicacies like seals what is it charlie i love kipper yeah i have them with uh with my eggs you're a smoked fish guy i am yeah i had smoked fish uh i pickled herring with my eggs on holiday and i could probably i did i did it once and i thought i'll go back to bacon actually do you know what i mean in tanneries yeah all inclusive buffet because there's a lot of germans there so there's a lot of smoked fish going on right right right was it nice to have a proper breather yes it was but we're back at work now charlie um fall has never looked or tasted this good sweet greens fall harvest menu is back with seasonal favorites dressed to impress and made to be devoured warm roasted sweet potatoes crisp apples maple glazed brussels and crave worthy flavors in the autumn harvest bowl, maple glazed salmon plate, and roasted bacon brussel side.

11:11The season's most desirable menu has returned to Sweetgreen, featuring fall's best dressed. Make your move. Order on the Sweetgreen app. This Labor Day at Lowe's. Get up to 45 % off select major appliances. Plus, deals on select materials and tools to keep the job moving. Right now, get a free DeWalt 20-volt max battery two-pack when you buy a select dewalt 20 volt max tool at lowes we have what you need to keep your job moving valid through 913 while supplies last selection varies by location see lowes.com for more details so uh monty is born uh before jack the ripper after john woodger's kipper yeah um that's pretty lovely it's lovely stuff that uh he's the fourth of nine children his dad Henry Montgomery he had met his mother Maud when he was 30 and she was 11

12:10the actual it needs to be a little bit more playful like the angry dog I don't think it does need to sorry when she's 11 I'm not sure it is playful

12:23he proposes to her sorry sorry I just want to get this out before we go to what Charlie's found he proposes to her when he's 32 and she's 14. Now you are... Now you're... Romance is not dead. You're 30? You're 38? I'm 29. Can you imagine proposing to a 14-year-old? Can you imagine the... Give me a second. Just... What are you... How are you... The cognitive dissonance of trying that. How would you do it? Give them some millions. Box of nerds. Box of... Proposing to a 14-year-old. Yeah, I don't know what you... I guess they make them insecure and then like... Well, no, no. They don't need to neg them.

13:04They don't need to assault them, Charlie. Do I give them body image issues? I guess so, yeah. And say, you'll never find anyone else but me. Yeah, maybe. At that age, we mean this because of how vulnerable they are. Yeah. What have you found for us, Charlie? Somali man aged 112, marries a girl of 17. Those are pretty good numbers. That's quite a small age gap for the Somalis, I think. That's five years. He's old enough to be her great, great grandfather, but Ahmed Mohamed Dore claims that it's a dream. and he already has 13 kids by five wives. And what's interesting is that... This is a dream.

13:33This is a dream come true. What's interesting is that this is in The Guardian and they're not making any judgments about it. But also when it's that much, it ceases to become like an icky age gap. Do you know what I mean? Because it's like... Fair play. It's sort of past being... It's something else now. It's transcended the creepiness. There's also a 105-year-old Malaysian man, Sudha Amato, who married a 22-year-old in September. This is nice. We're moving on from the fatter's baby. We have done all the fatter's babies. We're finding out the pervious guys, the biggest age gap. Astonishing. This episode is sponsored by Surfshark.

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16:22Do not let the online threat catch you off guard. So, yeah, Monty has a fairly brutal childhood. His dad's a religious man and becomes Bishop of Tasmania. Aww. They all moved to Australia, and his mum, Maud, is an absolute cunt. Sure. She beats the kids because she does not want them to speak with an Australian accent, which I think is absolutely fair enough. You've got to be careful. You know, we're talking about Bernard Montgomery. We're not talking about, oh, Monty, oh. This is sort of like Whack and Oz sort of thing. Like as soon as it pops up, and he's like, aww, aww, aww, ma 'am, shut up.

17:00Yeah. So he goes back to London when he's 13. He's nicknamed Monkey at school because he's mischievous. Monkey! And in 1908, he is appointed to his first role in the army, the Royal Warwick's first battalion. He's posted to Peshawar in India. Is that where the Peshawar Naan comes from? Must be where the Peshawar Naan comes from. So I imagine it's quite a fruity place. sure Peshwari naan is my naan of choice if anyone's ordering me a curry it's like a pudding it's like cake yeah can I have some cake with my curry so he goes to Peshwari and again this is what we'll learn throughout this series is that their personalities they really do have an impact on the on the actual conflict 100 % and that's what's so interesting about the commanders during World War 2 is it's like literally your Myers-Briggs test personality shapes the theatres of war so many people's lives so what does that mean about um hitler what we're saying about what hitler's what do you mean what you're saying about hitler well you're saying his personality shaped the war i'd say so well i'd say there was a lot of ideas going yeah sure i think yeah there's definitely some temperament um that maybe shaped the the first stage of the war potentially possibly possibly uh it's too early to tell i think it's way too early now monty goes to to india uh and again this is you know we're in india this sounds like a fucking a film that i'd watch again again he now he you know this is the high point of the empire this is you know he's putting on big shorts the first time born in the late 1880s so he is literally born at the height of british supremacy they think that it'll never end he's born in surrey as well so it's like he's right at the heart of the heart of the big empire at that time so he is like the most british man best time and place ever yeah but he does live till the 80s so he's 70s i think yeah he's the longest living of all of them so he does get to see it all go to shit yes he does yeah but he he's been sold that it's going to carry on forever and he well yeah he arguably he saves it in many ways sure because this is the most important part of world war ii yeah um so he struggles to fit in with his battalion socially, which is sad.

19:14And this is, you know, this is in sort of Edwardian Britain, probably the most autistic time that there's been. Maybe Victorian. I think Victorian more autistic. Edwardian gets frayed, yeah. It does. But, you know, it's still by today's standards. Sure. And yet he is, historians think he almost definitely had Asperger's, which makes Piano Belli's appearance even more relevant. Yeah, of course. Even in an autistic time, He was too autistic for that time. He stuck out. So he didn't drink. He didn't share banter. He liked getting his big knees out. He kept the banter to himself. Banter to himself.

19:51You've got to be sharing the banter. No, no. That's my banter. That's my banter. My banter, please. Get your own fucking banter. I'm going to have banter with myself in a dark room. In an attempt to integrate with his peers, he had both of his forearms tattooed, which he then later became very ashamed of and hid. Okay. so he's so my point is that both monty and romola professional soldiers which is quite uh rare when we think about world war one and two and then we think about conscription and the heroes are all conscripted but uh in world war one uh they're both professional oh really would you say that most a lot of the other big commanders are no no not the commanders i think when world war one the actual fighting force that's professional is minuscule compared to you mean everyone fought of the war but he was already there exactly he's fucking he's up for it they're up for it these two right the world one was just completely normal it's just completely what he expected yes he was he signed up he was already there yeah he was already in a trench in the song yeah and then everyone just else had joined him yeah what are you doing here i'm collecting bugs in my big shorts um so uh he's uh in india uh but he's in he's in the army and uh he's that's the best way to cope with his bitch mother sure um rommel johannes erwin eugene rommel that's a german name that's a lovely name he's born in 1891 uh two years after hitler uh and he is born in heidenheim and brentz and this is you know you this is what 15 years 20 years after germany's become a country um uh he's not intellectual but he's very sporty yes similar to monty he's a man of action he's not man of thinking he's not a man of thinking yeah uh he's impulsive gets after it he this guy loves it yeah he loves he loves drugs he loves pints he loves tail yeah yeah yeah he's the opposite of monty uh monty likes to get his knees out then go to bed at 9 30 as you said it's autism versus adhd this is clear adhd as you've ever seen yes so he won't let anyone finish the sentence i get it i get it yeah yeah let's just go okay okay um so age 18 he gets accepted into the 124th Württemberg Infantry Regiment.

21:58Calm down, ladies. Ladies, calm down. It's a very important part in anyone's life. Yeah. When they are accepted into the Württemberg Infantry Regiment. Okay? It's like the... It's a coming base. It's like a bar mitzvah. The wasp bar mitzvah is when you're accepted into the 124th Württembergs. Now, he... Now, what's interesting about the German Wehrmacht at this point, if you can call them that, the army... If you can even call them that. If you can call them the Wehrmacht in 19... Fucking 1910. They didn't even call you them the Wehrmacht. Can't say that these days. Can't go about these days. They are, so there's two very different schools of thought with the military in that the Brits think regimented command, bureaucracy, chain of commands.

22:39Because they've had to maintain a vast empire using a relatively small amount of people. So it's all about order. It's also about stuff that you can apply globally to loads of different, you should be able to read a booklet that explains you how to run a colony. It's scouts. Yeah. Tell him off if he looks like this. Fuck off. You know, have you got your race war badge yes i have yes how big are your shorts i would i will defer to the man with the bigger shorts yeah so it's actually very clear whereas the germans are they're that imperial insecurity because they haven't had a massive colonial empire they're a new country so they they're kind of got a blank slate yes they're a modern force but also they they think that war is chaos and that you capitalize the fucking north fucking yeah they've got the spirit of Woden.

23:26So they think war is chaos and you capitalise on that chaos by giving individuals on the ground freedom to make decisions. This is Jürgen Klopp. He's a German. Well, yeah. This is the long road to the Gagin press. From an early age, he is getting used to the idea of an individualised command and a sort of improvisational warfare, which is quite rare at this time. Improv. So he's into improv. he's yes anding and by yes anding i mean he's bayoneting uh italians okay straight improv that's the kind of improv that i like i like improv yeah i like improv he's talking about rommel's um use of the panzer division oh you're talking about um five nonces in the basement in the Edinburgh fridge oh no i don't want to go and say that sorry i'd like to see improv in the north african desert in the 40s anyway so um now rommel falls in love with a woman called lucy Mollen in the summer of 1911.

24:22Come on, let's have a look. Oh dear. She looks nice. You don't know what, you had to see her back in the day. Yeah. She looks a bit like Miriam. Your massive crush. Yeah. No, she looks like a colder Miriam Margulies. She's not, she's not hiding any Jews in her attic. Put it that way. She's got a cold face. If you know what I mean. If you know what I mean. What she won't put out. Never heard it called that before. Yeah, a bit of a prude, she's not hiding any due in her attic.

24:53So she, okay, no, better there, better there. But it's got that hair where you can be in your early 20s and you have like sort of six-year-old woman hair. no one looks that fuckable in the 1910s. You know? Because the racial science is so good, but the women are so ugly. It's such a... Help, this makes sense. The ideas make sense, but then the evidence is so... You know, no women did not shave their pubic hair during World War I in fact removing body hair was not a common practice for women at all I could have told you that Charlie it's the 70s and the 80s it's a reaction against the 70s bush if we're tracking it's reactionary shaving your pubes is reactionary it's daily male stuff okay it's male online filth right because the 70s is the height of the bush okay is it the height of the bush really yes history has been going in a straight line upwards with women's pubic hair or is it the stylized bush because you're saying, this is saying before, no one's shaving it.

25:53It's not stylized down there. The problem is the 70s is when the porn starts and you see the angles that you'd never seen before and you think, that looks like a dead dog down there. You've got to do something about that, ladies. And then you get the 80s, which they just overcorrect and they just start getting rid of all of it. That looks mad. It's crazy. Crazy. It's crazy. It's extremist. Terrorism. it's genital terrorism it's genital mutilation yes do you and Amanda shave each other's pums okay well let's carry on let's move on each other's pums what's 69 shaving sorry what's my pums is that my arse your bottom yeah right no anyway so he falls in love with Lucy Moline but they don't wed because he's busy with the army so he goes back to his umit and then he has a bastard baby with a woman called Gertrude right No, Gertrude is the name of the kid.

26:49What's the woman called? Valburger. Her name is Valburger. Stemmer. Keir Stemmer. Keir Stemmer. Her name is Valburger. Right. Gorgeous name. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful German name. Valburger. Valburger. Yeah. Irwin and Valburger start a whirlwind romance. Of course. And they had a bastard baby called Gertrude. um now uh lou uh he then goes back to uh lucy mullin and marries her uh and val burger kills which you know is obviously sad yeah val burger didn't kill herself but i think if your parents are calling you val burger i think there's only one i think you really snooker i'm gonna leave this gun on the table you know what to do when you turn 18 you you can't you cannot live a life called Valburger.

27:44Valburger. Awful. Art the Valburger, please. She dies quite young, I guess. So it's sort of, it's in and out, Burger. Yeah. Anyway. But Gertrude and Ronvald maintaining a good relationship throughout their lives, which is nice. That's lovely. So his bastard daughter. Now, they both fight in World War I, Monty and Ronvald. Now, Monty is deployed to France in August 1914. and the book I read about this there's a story of his first sort of supposedly what he does right in combat is he runs in with a sword he trips over and falls over with his sword there's another story that he gets a medal for it well there's another story that he essentially likes they're charging and he scissor kicks like a German and stabs him and then everyone's like yeah I don't know if that's true if this guy this guy with knobbly knees just runs out and then fucking he got to canio is a german um but i mean with all these stories there's no var there's no yeah it is all oh i just went down that hill and like fucking killed like you should have seen me yeah and i like i had no weapons they had loads of guns but i had the kung fu and i'd like matrix down she goes to a different school yeah it's like it's all that like i didn't know any of that supposedly his first charge at lakato uh he charges uh he falls over by the time he's he He stands up.

29:02Everyone's dead. So, yeah, well, is that the one where he, um, gets shot in the lung? No, that's slightly later. So that's in October at Meta then. He gets, um, shot in the right lung. The script says shit. A German shits in his lung. And that's not cricket. How is, how does that happen? The dyslexia of our researcher is spreading profound disinformation about a national hero. There's enough disinformation on this podcast already. A lot of guys wearing Star Wars t-shirts saying, did you know that Monty actually had a shoot in his way did you know that in World War I actually the Germans would shit in our commander's lungs did you know that I don't even want to conceptualise that what does it say in AIO review yes it's possible though very rare this serious condition usually happens in specific specific emergency situations rather than from inhaling particles airborne particles meconium aspiration syndrome aspiration it's not very aspirational fucking guzzling shit this is anal rail gun.

30:00I don't want to see this. It makes more a butt plug to an MRI machine and unbeknownst to them it contains some type of ferromagnetic metal and it kind of flew up into their lung. Okay, I don't need to see it. And it's called an ale rail gun. No, no, no, no, no, no. Fuck me. There's an X-ray of a butt plug. Speed of sound. A concord up your arm. The greatest personal injury case you'd ever heard. A butt plug which was advertised as 100 % silicone but it had a metallic core and it accelerated at the speed of sound into the client's chest cavity. Does he do it? No, he survived with major injuries.

30:34Major injuries. Right. I mean... So be careful if you're... I do just want to say, if you're going to an MRI with a butt plug, I think you deserve whatever you get. It's like having a Caesarian because you've had such a bad... Because you need a shit. I mean, guys, just... Can you fucking leave it at the door? For once, you take a day off. You're going for an MRI. How regularly are you wearing butt plugs that you forget to take it out? Or just like... phone wallet keys fuck my oh my butt plug's still in yep great it's an mri it's serious you know take it fucking take a day off mate right so yeah you get a fucking gaddafi done an mri because you've left a butt plug i think you get you deserve it frankly anyway i can't stress enough how that's not what happens to burn at montgomery in world war one he is short in the lung his world experiences are all pretty funny they're all kind of like bernie hill clowny moments none of them are that heroic they're always just him slipping and that's what's terrible world war one is that it is just calamity yeah in that there's no heroic because it's all just blokes you're running running and then getting shot so he's shot in the right lung all of the war heroes are the people who just managed to slip at the right time by chance basically so in this instance he's shot in the right lung dead bodies fall over him he survives uh he weekend at Bernie's right yeah basically and then British forces um try and um they they think he's dead and then they hear this and then they basically someone is lying on him on top of him for hours being riddled with bullets yeah because he's just taking it see that he's alive and it's just fucking yeah and he just takes it he gets shot again in the knee by the way when they're railing bullets down he still gets he's shot get shot twice and his butt plug goes through I mean, this guy is the sniper puts me in an MRI and he's like, oh, great.

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34:06I mean, this is what I'm talking about World War I. So my great granddad fought in - That's nice. Rejoins just in time for the SOM. Oh, phew. I wouldn't have wanted to have SOM FOMO. My great granddad, this is what's brutal about World War I, is that he, so he got shell-shocked at Gallipoli, wrote a book about it, absolutely fucked, Gallipoli. Went home, recovered, comes back, brilliant, SOM. Hates it, obviously, bad time. Goes home, recovers, comes back, Ypres. I mean, it's like, can the guy not catch a break? Did he fight in Ypres? I think he went to Ypres. I think it was mainly done by the time it was - Yeah.

34:37What was it? the 20s that's the 20s by that point you know Spanish flu anyway so what he realizes at the Somme in particular is that because he's a courier from the front lines to the generals is that these generals are nowhere near the front and he's he's like this isn't working this chain of commands with the men and big swords which is a difference with Germans to British it's right yeah the British there's a lot more the class system it's a lot more hierarchy whereas the German commanders are much more well they're not at this point but Rommel is So this is where Rommel starts to come into his own.

35:09So Rommel, he's a platoon commander in the 27th Division who fights in France and also Romania and Italy. Which is a theatre of the war that doesn't get talked about much as well. So is this Northern Italy? Is this sort of like a southern front? Yeah, because Italy joined the war quite late and then Romania did something very funny. So because it's Austro-Hungary, so all these countries border Austro-Hungary, which is actually... Yeah, and it's where the war started. If you get that, it's actually where... So Romania joined the war quite late on the side, they're fighting Austria-Hungary in order to try and get territory from them.

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35:40Rommel is part of the reason that they get absolutely slapped back. So Rommel leads this sort of charge. Yeah, but also I'd want to make my name against Romania and Italy. Do you know what I mean? Yes, exactly. That's like, come on. Well, yeah, it's an easy group. It's Ronaldo in the Saudi league. So Rommel actually, he starts this kind of quite mobile, improvised warfare, which for like... Skidle, skid, skid, skid, skid, skid, It's scat Nazism, basically. It's free jazz. He fights in the Romanian mountains and in the Alpenkorps. And then again in Italy. I bet the Alpenkorps looked good. I mean, this is before Nazis, though.

36:18This is before they started dressing really well. You know, but also Alpkorps in general, the front of Milka, right? Like South, like Bavaria, Kow's, you know. What are those people in those adverts thinking? It doesn't matter what they're thinking. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter about their policies. Yeah, don't ask the questions. Just enjoy the view. Enjoy the postcard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's always like a perfect scene and a guy later doesn't do not. Don't turn over the postcard and read it. Just enjoy the view. Yeah. Right. He's very, this is where he starts to, this is kind of Cruyff at Ajax.

36:48He's starting to get a sense of like, let's just, let's keep moving. Let's not, there's the trench warfare's bollocks. Why don't I break the lines, go in behind, always trying to go in behind. In between the lines, yeah. Small amounts of soldiers breaking free, causing chaos. Because you cause chaos because if you can get behind them, immediately they start thinking they're completely fucked because they don't know how many of you are behind them. So if they're on two fronts, immediately they think they're completely fucked. So you can get a huge amount of people to surrender, even if you've got a small force.

37:16Yes, exactly. If you're behind them. So in October 1917, I'm sorry, what I wanted to say was, for Romania, they fight, they've joined the war, Rommel slaps them back. A day before the armistice, they declare war in Austria-Hungary again, just so that they can, at Versailles, get like Transylvania and a bunch of territory from it. Brazil joining the war in 1945. Yeah, yeah. World War II. Yes, no. Yeah, me too. Yeah, no, they were bad. There we were on VE Day. So October 1917, at the Battle of Caporetto, he captures 81 guns and 9 ,000 Italian prisoners, which, as we'll come to know, is not actually that hard.

37:56Yeah, it's pretty seemingly a mainstay in this story is how easy it is. How bad the Italians are at war. It's very funny. It's kind of annoying for the Italians because it's like, what do I do with this many Italians who have surrendered? Yeah. Like, and I could play, oh, I'm hungry. The logistical nightmare of dealing with, yeah, I give up, I'm hungry. It's basically, before Rommel gets into North Africa, Britain fighting Italy is essentially a bunch of adults. It's not how to process this many people. It's a bunch of adults looking after some, like, fucking foreign exchange kids. It's a bunch of Italians.

38:28My feet hard. I'm bored. I want to go. I'm hungry. I need sleep. Right. Anyway, Monty fights in the Irish War of Independence. And what's the quote? I mean, Monty goes everywhere, by the way. What's the quote he says to go? The Irish can get that up. He does not like the IRA. You surprised me. He's a stern man. He's not screaming up the R. No, he's not. He would hate kneecap. Yes, he would, even though his kneecaps are always out and visible. Monty wrote that Oliver Cromwell or the Germans would have settled it in a very short time. which is quite a that's a spicy thing to say that's a sort of sandbrook-esque monty quote uh now in 1927 he marries a divorcee elizabeth carver adopts her two sons and has another son but then 10 years later elizabeth dies from an infected insect bite christ and he then goes right well i'm not going to i'm just throwing myself i'm gonna ignore that yeah uh no that's what he says no the doctor goes she's she's gonna die and he goes whatever um no No.

39:27You know, if Monty was born 100 years later, he would be alongside Rick Stanton in that Thai cave. Sure. You know, this is the long road to Stanton. And similarly, if Rick Stanton was born 100 years later, he would be in North Africa, you know. Rommel's getting stuck in a cave. Yes. Right? And Monty's got to come and sort him out. Yeah. So Rommel stays with the regiment. Now, obviously, the interwar years in Germany are chaos. But Rommel is in the army. and so there's a lot of policing, suppressing riots. He writes in the 30s. So he stays in the army during all this time? Yeah, yeah, he does. They both do.

40:01He writes in the 30s his kind of, you know, his Bible, his manifesto. There's a lot of manifestos being written at this time, 30s Germany. His is called Infantry Attacks. And this is his signature battle tactics. It goes viral in the military community. Yeah, people are buying it. It's a huge success. now when we get to World War II okay Monty is captain he's deployed in France in 1939 with the British Expeditionary Force he's also deployed in Palestine is he? yeah so with the Arab uprising against British funded Zionism yes he goes there to put that down as well so when Monty's in Normandy in World War II he nearly gets fired because he issues a blunt circular to his men about sexual health saying right everyone because do you remember in the Dunkirk series this is where before the Germans attack west there is this period where the British expeditionary force are in France and prostitutes are throwing their dirty tun tun cloths out of a window and everyone's scrabbling for the rascal to sniff it you know it's feral and there's a massive prostitute so he says everyone's got to wear condoms and then an archbishop goes you need to wash your mouth out you need to learn to have more tact because Monty is like Arsene Wenger you know if you go into a squad that is smoking fags at half time and Mersen's drinking pints even though you're 1-0 down and he just goes why don't we just stop doing that you will get really far Wenger actually plays football like Rommel would but manages like Monty that's why he was so successful he combined the best of both but anyway so he survives that episode now Rommel meanwhile he oversees the training of the Hitler Youth.

41:53But he's not a Nazi. No. It's important, we must say about Rommel, we don't know what his views were. He's also Hitler's personal bodyguard. But once again, he's not in the Nazi machine because... This guy couldn't be less of a Nazi. Because, well, there's a lot of high-ranking German military men who are from the kind of East Prussian tradition, the Bismarck tradition. The really pompous sort of... Yeah, big tash, right? Porky guys. but then obviously the Nazis have hijacked this military and made it much more kind of racial science-y and not all, like, Rommel is a military guy, he's not a racial science guy there was also a conservative anti-Hitler movement, yes, which comes into this story, because the Nazis are modernisers no, I'm not saying that I took the words right out of my mouth I'm not saying that's not a positive or a negative the Autobahn, okay but they're seen as, they're throwing away a lot of the white heat of Nazi technology.

42:49But there's a lot of more, because there's a conservative's Prussian Hadsberg tradition. Yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of them. That will ultimately would be part of Rommel's downfall, which we'll get to in part four. Anyway, so he, yeah, he's chosen to be Hitler's personal bodyguard. And by that, I mean, he's his force. What's that film about Whitney Houston, the bodyguard? Yes. Is that, but what? And I! Do they end up fucking the bodyguard and Whitney Houston? I've not watched it. I'm straight. I don't know why you're asking. They're not fucking. So it could be, it's a sort of, that'd be a great remake of The Bodyguard.

43:22What, Hitler and Rommel? Hitler and Rommel. And then, because I think he defends Whitney Houston's life and then it becomes like very erotic and they kind of get with each other. So we don't know. We can't know. We can't know. We can't know if Rommel had a tryst. Make The Bodyguard 2 or the prequel. So yeah, when he's his personal bodyguard, it's more that he, his like squadron or his men is like his escort unit. His escort battalion. There you go. It's not a battalion of escorts. It's not your dad's escort battalion. Anyway, 1940 is when these men, they first start to clash. Now, they never actually meet throughout this entire story, but they're aware of each other.

44:04Do they not? No, it's a bit like Gordon and the Mardi. Yes. You know, they never actually meet, but dramatically, I think people like to think they did. The sexual tension. So in 1940, this is when the first ding-dongs begin. Okay, so Rommel slices through. Rommel, because of his closest to Hitler, Rommel puts him in charge of the 7th Panzer Division. So he fires up the rankings past a lot of people who've been there longer. And so there's a lot of Prussian military hierarchy. Because he's quite young for his position, Rommel? Yeah, but he's also working class and he's not from the kind of aristocracy, the Prussian aristocracy.

44:40So the Nazis weren't all good. No, listen, it's a social mobility story. uh rommel is command of the seventh panzers which are gets known as the ghost division because they uh underwrought his leadership they just fuck off and no one can keep up with where they are like no one uh keeping tabs on the on the movement when they're invading france uh so he leads from the front which again is very uh unlike you know this is part he's part of he's become tied to the blitzkrieg because he's he's the main proponent of the blitzkrieg right he's probably the best an actor of the blitzkrieg an actor of it yeah i mean strategically someone else was man von manstein was the guy who came up with it but he on the ground he'll do blitzkrieg better than anyone else pretty much because he's not listening to orders which is more blitzkrieg than blitzkrieg so they'll be like stop here and he's like ah i can see a gap fuck it adhd he's listening to a podcast on two times speed i'll do it live yeah he's the ultimate do it live yeah um so uh his he uh invades france leads from the front fucks them through the ardennes hot knife through butter so he's going through the Ardennes he's batting all those pigs away yeah yeah fuck off doesn't matter pigs are flying out of his way he the siege of Lille where they capture like I don't know 30 ,000 troops or something like that he gets to the coast he captures Cherbourg but it's the race to the coast right because they're all like we need to get there as quick as possible everyone's got a panzer division go and he wins that he does but also he is on Pervitin the meth sure they're all on meth so it's a level playing field.

46:11Yeah, but Monty is not on meth. Not at all. Monty is in France asking people to wear condoms. Meanwhile, a meth head is steaming through a pig forest, right? Yeah, there's no psychedelic nature to Monty at all. Everything's pretty grounded in reality. So Monty is... He's a man who does not understand subtext. He's a Presbyterian man. He does not read poetry. He reads signs. What does this sign tell me? He reads timetables. He does read... He reads bus timetables. He reads door signs. He likes to read... likes to know what street he's on he loves good signage he respects it yeah yeah uh he would not be a fan of the current fad for putting uh male and female and disabled toilets as like animals um they don't do that with disabled actually do they what the dog with wheels yeah um no but it's like you know is it i think it's a short look but i had a bit about um gender yeah all toilets are gender neutral where when it's essentially like yeah am i a robin or a vole yeah i don't know what is it charlie do you think the pigs in the forest would have known a pig's conscious of war like would they have thought that there's a war going on like what what would they have thought was that they would have thought this is we've got the episode title now we talked about a lot of stuff but that's the key are pigs conscious of war now we got to the nub of the story they must think something's happening like this is this is all a bit like full on yeah they probably do think it's a bit mad yeah but also but also they haven't known what else have they known what about a young pig who has only ever known more do you know what a pig that is born in like 1910 you know I don't know how long pigs live 30 years I mean they would have seen the things they would have seen Christ probably not much in Belgium you know you've got you've got the killing fields of Flanders then you've got the Battle of the Bulge the oldest pig ever is called Baby Jane and she was 23.

48:02So Prue wouldn't live that long. She would have seen quite a lot in those years. Do you know what dates was she alive? She passed away in September 2021. She's a pet pig. So she saw 9-11. She saw 9-11. On TV though. Yeah. No, she was there. Really? She was... Just one whispering in George Bush's ear.

48:28and he's like what the fuck where's my chief where's my chief of staff gone I knew it was a mistake why's baby why's baby Jane so truffling in my ear look we respect how old you are as a pig but we do need someone who can speak English to do this role how does a pig say a second plane is hit the tower would be my guess yeah anyway Monty in 1940 Monty Monty acquits himself incredible because he's going to bed at night at 9 30 every night he he has these massive 100 000 troop maneuvers uh that refines i don't understand what the sentence means he believes in preparation rehearsal organization uh and a lot of exercise but what is 40s exercise like because now obviously there's loads of gym culture there's loads of like science put into it back in the day like i looked like the fastest man in 1914 yeah do you know i mean i look like i won the olympics you're saying about a hundred yard dash with my legs like this yeah like i don't know what how much protein they're not doing protein shakes so what is it is it is it star jumps but they're eating kippers yeah they yeah you know so it's funny that they because no one looks like roided there's no roids no people are doing um star jumps and jumping jacks and they're eating they're huffing kippers yeah as recovery yeah maybe just like the bicep curl yeah it's probably the is i think there are barbells yeah uh but they also do that thing where they climb up a rope and then jump over a frame and just fall over yeah they're just doing that constantly burpees they must be doing burpees they're doing sit-ups uh they're but then their recovery is not a protein shake it's kippers right so uh he led a thing called exercise tiger where it was a hundred thousand troop maneuver it was like a massive bleep test with a hundred thousand people Yeah, but he's basically practicing all of his sort of tactics that he would then later employ.

50:21And it's all about preparation. It's all about only attacking when you know you're going to win. Which, I mean, historians say comes from his experience in the World War I. Yes. Being stuck under someone being like, I really don't want to end up here again. Yeah. What can I do differently next time? Because I guess he's marked by trying to always minimize casualties, which I don't know. Yes, he is. That's a lot of commanders over both wars get talked about being pretty careless with mental lives. Yeah, but he's very, very careful with them. But also Rommel, he's disobedient. Yeah. And he's also...

50:57Okay, don't slag him off. No, I don't. Sorry, I don't wish to speak ill of the dead. But he doesn't listen to his commanders. And if he sees a gap, he will just keep going. Yeah. So one of the most interesting aspects of this is that, so Monty, this is where he kind of gets known to the top brass because he fights a rearguard action near Dunkirk or near Sutton. Yeah, we talked about it very briefly. He plugs a hole. He plugs a hole. Rommel's looking for holes. Yeah. Well, Rommel gets... And Monty's plugging them. Yeah. So Monty's got the butt plug and Rommel is going to an MRI and is flying through him, right?

51:32But... No, Rommel is seeing an open arse. He's going, brilliant. And Monty's like, what? Put a butt plug in there. Butt plug in there. He's saying everyone put condoms on. His whole thing is filling holes, stopping things you know monty sees an empty mri going my butt plugs to them i don't care i'm getting in it that's what rommel does so uh he's basically the ultimate british dad on a holiday you don't get the airport the whole war effort is dad waking you up passports in a fanny pack that's strapped underneath my shirt when you went to tenerife were you were you playing at monty or were you playing at rommel uh it's pretty it was pretty monty yeah it was pretty get there early settle down passports wallet strapped to my chest underneath my shirt so Monty fights a rearguard action that actually ends up saving a lot of British lives because of his organisation he's probably in charge of the only bit of the BEF that actually acquits himself with any honour or grace meanwhile Rommel is gacked up and he's ordered to halt by Hitler, now he listens to Hitler here he does stop and yet if they push forward he should have he could have but then this is one of rommel's great problems is that because he's so um got such an itchy foot he's always on the accelerator he overextends his supply lines ladies careful we there will be a lot of overextended supply lines in this episode in this series right uh which means that because the panzers are actually only like you know 10 of the troops the rest are all on fucking horseback yeah so they're blazing a trail, then you've got to wait for the other guys to catch up.

53:07The light streaming through the window. Exactly. So, meanwhile, in North Africa, Germany had been stripped of all its African colonies under the Treaty of Versailles. Something that no one should have to go through. Yes. It's a very difficult time when your African colonies are stripped from you. And this is part of the reason for Hitler's rise. There are Germans going, what happened to Togoland? Where has my Togoland gone? Now Togoland was genuinely... You cannot take a man's Togoland. No, you can take the man out of Togoland, but you cannot take Togoland away from a man. Togoland was genuinely the name of what's now Togo.

53:46And I quite like African countries just having land after it. Zambia land. Zambia, that's not even a place. Zambia land. Anyway. Because it feels rushed. Yeah. Fucking Togoland. Fuck it. So Britain essentially controls Egypt. Italy had controlled Libya because as we discussed in the Gaddafi series, Gaddafi is born. This is out of this. Gaddafi, this is the soup from which Gaddafi emerges, right? Gaddafi's born, I think, well, they'd actually know he's born. He's a child of Monty and Rommel. He is a child of Monty and Rommel. And he gets the ultimate butt plug up the MRI. Anyway, so Italy had invaded Libya in 36, I think.

54:26So Mussolini had great designs for a sort of new Rome, wanted to control the other side of the Mediterranean. France controlled Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. And yet Britain essentially controls Egypt and the Suez Canal, which of course Britain and France had basically built, that's how they get to India and this subcontinent. Yeah, that's a key artery for the whole empire. And you see how crucial it is when about three years ago, my wife got stuck in the canal when we were on holiday there and 12 % of global trade was halted. i mean i don't know i told her to go inside it was reckless we should have gone around the cape of the cape of africa i don't know why it's longer but it's just but it's feasible feasible you know it was an impossible dream that she would fit through the suros canal anyway we learned our lesson and again i'd like to apologize for the mistake of taking my wife i've learned my lesson we will be going around the cape the cape of africa anyway so now italy had stayed out of the war until on june the 10th which i think is maybe the day that hitler goes to paris uh it sounds so jolly the original m-words in paris the nazis are in paris uh june 10th mussolini declares war on france and great britain because he thinks this war is basically over britain are britain are going to fall soon france already has i want to get concessions i want to be at the table i want to get all of the british empire's um african um colonies and so begins one of the performance poorest war performances of all time maybe maybe of all time because north africa is italy's war yeah right and they have so many men yeah this is that this is their first they're fresh they're going into it yeah and they they fuck it fuck it beyond belief It's absolutely hilarious, right?

56:17These are not Romans. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is the modern day Italian. And you really see Italy as a country can be framed from the kind of Caesar fighting the Gauls to Mussolini in Libya, right? The decline is marked over those 2000 years. So the Italians are not really equipped or armed or planned anything. and they don't really have any kind of motorized units. They also don't think sewage is something you should think about or care about, so they're just shitting all over the place. It's true. Like, loads of them get, like, fucking dysentery because they just think, like, they kind of think it's sort of, like, gay to dig a latrine.

56:58It's like, chill out, what are you doing? So, basically, all Mussolini had planned is that he had an image in his head that he would ride into Cairo. Bareback. Barechested on a white horse, like Napoleon. Yeah. So he goes, right, let's work back from that. So I'll ride through Cairo. So he basically says, we're going to build a massive desert road. Yeah. I don't think he understands what a war is. He thinks, well, I want to ride through Egypt. I'll build a road. That's one thing I definitely know. I'm going to be on a horse naked. I can see that now. You guys work out how it happens. Yeah. Anyway, on the 13th of September, 1940, while Britain's, you know, at the height of the beginning of the Blitz, Italy crosses from Libya into Egypt and it is the official start of the Desert Wars.

57:46Okay. The most important part of World War II is about to begin. The scene is set for our two characters to engage in a duel that will define the century, the North African theatre of World War II. In our next episode, we will deal with the Britons fighting the Italians, with Rommel's arrival in the theatre, with Hitler's intervention to help Mussolini, the Desert Fox, it's Blitzkrieg, it's meth in the desert and it's the first battle of Alamea it's spaghetti versus sauerkraut versus fucking baked beans who's gonna win it's an absolutely disgusting dish it's a horrible trifle that's genuinely what my kids ate on holiday at the buffet beans sauerkraut it's the North African theatre North African all-inclusive beans sauerkraut and spaghetti for that episode and the entirety of this four-part series with our guest Piano Veli sign up to the Patreon where we just hit 40 ,000 I mean the numbers are staggering I think we should stop advertising it it's getting a bit it's getting embarrassing it's garish it's garish we've stopped announcing it as well yeah we can't be because we're privately educated it's garish have a word announced it and we're going off that model we are now the size of Salisbury yeah I can't wait for the Finn vs.

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59:28It's the opposite of So House. Now, it's not really an exclusive club it used to be. No, it's not. This is a deactivate. Sorry, that's what it's most like. It's the mega prison in El Salvador. door oh really that um that fucking uh richard madeley just went to yeah yeah but uh maybe the the the morals of the people involved are better in the prison yes yes i'd say so yeah anyway uh the entirety of the series is on the patreon uh and also i should say our patron exclusives this fortnight is the history of the sas which comes out of the desert wars and i read ben mcintyre's book on holiday and it's fucking excellent and i've also watched rogue heroes twice i'm so fired up for that yeah i love it i love it super airborne softness anyway uh that's on the patreon we will see you next time for the continuation of the desert war bye bye for now goodbye

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