No N-Word November (with Red Richardson!) | The People vs O.J. Simpson (Part 3/4)

31:34it's not about race no um so the prosecution argue the oj drives to nicole's house kills her and run plays wrong time goldman returns to his house he then sees a limo waiting by the front he tries to enter through the back to the house which leads to the trail of blood right his security system wouldn't let him in which leads to the banging noise that his kato this random boy kato okay, then he drops the glove and returns to the front door. And the evidence of this is that there are 108 exhibits of his DNA being everywhere. That's a lot. That's a lot. Which is a lot. The thing is, it's not even a well-done murder.

32:07He fucked it. He couldn't even get back into his own house. This was a fucking disaster. he left one... That's such a funny perspective. The real tragedy is how badly this murder was committed. He didn't even do it well. It wasn't even... But he drops one glove at the murder scene, leads a trail of blood, his blood and Nicole's blood all the way to his house. Like an Easter egg hunt for a child. And then drops the other glove. That's what's so ridiculous about the glove don't fit. So many clues. It's just like there's one identical glove at his house and the murder suit. And a footprint. It's too perfect.

32:44It's as if he's been framed. It's hardly a riddle. That's true. I'm an ex-black footballer who was in Naked Gun. Who am I? He is literally murdered it like he's in the film Naked Gun. So Nicole's hair is on the glove that's in OJ's house. On the glove, they also find clothing fibres, dog furs, you said, from Nicole's dog, fibres from the Bronco that he drives. The defence... This is the greatest water battery of all time. This is phenomenal. He's a black man, and he's being targeted by a racist police force. Yeah. But I mean, the whole thing is a lesson on how you can win arguments. Yeah. And how you can just frame issues.

33:22Because when you, in the documentary or any film about this, when you see the evidence stacked up, in your head, you're like, there's just no way anyone could get off. I don't think anyone did think that. Yeah, and you just see the way they build that and you can actually understand it kind of makes sense how he got off just watching them lay it out because it becomes... Who's on trial is black people. Yeah, but the defence make it about race. But also, in this type of case in America, you can't... The fact there's no alternative killer is irrelevant. All you have to establish is a reasonable doubt that it wasn't it might not be what's amazing is they never talk about there's never an idea of like well if it wasn't him who was it who the fuck was it and also why is no one concerned about who it was no no one gives a fuck and it has to be quite high the percentage doesn't it it's because civil trial is like 52 % or something this has to be at least two in 9.8 billion yeah and it's 1.9 so it's fine imagine if he didn't do it do you mean don't need to that would be the most amazing pullback and reveal is that he didn't do it because what would happen The only way he didn't do it is someone went, I want to kill OJ's wife.

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37:03Greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. See terms. So the jury, and I think they go round OJ's house. They go and they do like a side visit to Rockyham. Which is not the house where it happens. They died. No, but before they get there, the defense team take down all the photos. Because he's got no photos of black people. No, it's all him with white guys. And his staircase is like an Italian restaurant that's had like a famous guy in it. Kids, remember when I met Tupac? Go find it. And they now just suddenly put all these random photos. It's like Stalin Photoshopping Lenin out of it.

37:36Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is me with Martin Luther King. This is me and Muhammad Ali. I'm calling the gang. Yeah, this is me and Bootsy Collins. Carl Douglas, the lawyer, says if it was a Mexican jury we would have hung pictures of him in a sombrero and a mariachi band out front and a piñata at the upper staircase. I mean, they're so shameless, this team. It's fucking brilliant. And didn't even say when he pulled through because when they were shouting go OJ, you know, when he's fucking driving away from the cops and apparently he said, oh, why are there so many N-words? in Brentwood or whatever, yeah.

38:05Crazy, crazy. Even then, he hates Spaggill. So the main argument the Dream Team make is that they try and paint this picture of a conspiracy by a policeman, as we've said, called Mark Fuhrer. This is where it already gets pinned on. Because when they call, I think it's Shapiro or one of the big lawyers saying, do you want to take this case? He says, yeah. And the answer is, or maybe it was fucking Dershowitz, Alan Dershowitz. Oh, yeah. Alan Dershowitz, who's like one of the greatest lawyers of all time. was on Epstein's Island, I think. He was, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, they call him about whether, I think Cochrane might have called him saying, should I take the case?

38:40And he says, there's an argument here. It's all in Furman. Look into Furman. Really? So he said, just look into Furman. That's where, you'll win the case with Furman. Well, you take one look at Furman, you go, yeah, there's the guy, there's the fucking. So he's the officer who found the glove? Yes. And he's the one, he's the one. Mark Fuhrman. So the problem is, is that Furman was this racist cop, but just happened to be there. he was basically probably trying to frame a black guy who had done it like that was the issue but they found an old lawsuit by Furman against the LA pension board where he was asking them to let him retire early because he hates black people for that it's interesting which is rare as a smoking gun it's fairly insane but there's a lot going on there because I think someone who truly hates black people they might want to keep on working working he's clearly got this like yeah he's got this really like internal fight where I'm so racist but I can't you've got to not put me in the field because I don't want after Rodney King and the backlash to that he's like well I can't I can't work anymore then if you've taken that away what's in it for me if I can't do what I love this is why I signed up it's basically I've got no self restraint you do what you love you never work a day in your life I can't have biscuits in the house yeah I can't

39:52so he admits to using excessive force while being a policeman and they spread the theory that the glove had been planted by Furman due to his hatred of black people they also then and this is a pretty amazing bit in the documentary they go really hard on the lapd for a supposed history of planting evidence which i don't i think they always clap back on they say there isn't one but when they're chatting to the asian guy who's the forensic what's his name fun they basically say they show footage news footage of him at the crime scene not not wearing a glove to pick up like blood samples i mean there's also that they put a a blanket over the body because there was loads of press outside and her head was nearly cut off and because the blanket was contaminated, they were like, well, just because it's covered in OJ's blood doesn't mean...

40:34They also took blood samples from the police station back to the crime scene and they're like, why did you do that? Did you ever do that? They're like, no, we never do that. And he's like, right, well... Yeah. They were really, really sloppy. It happens so much. So they then use this evidence that OJ's DNA has been planted. It also, his DNA had been unrefrigerated in an LAPD van for seven hours after collection. Like a dodgy kebab just been sitting there. What do you mean? if it was sitting there does it spoil and become OJ's DNA is it saying it's some other guy but if you leave it it just it'll become OJ's yeah OJ's a bit off yeah he's been left in the sun it was a white guy but they just you leave it long enough so the defence argues that a police conspiracy was enacted by prison nurse Thanos Thanos Paratus Mark prison nurse Thanos Paratus she sounds like a comic book character prison nurse Thanos Paratus that's who you want to marry a prison nurse.

41:30Let's get to the timeline of the defence paint. So they use all their experts to undermine the prosecution's theory of events. A physician testifies that OJ's arthritis means that he couldn't physically commit murder. Yeah. But then the prosecution showed a fitness video that he made the week before. He's fucking benching like 180. Yeah, yeah. He's so physical. It's a knife skills. He's holding a giant knife you know those Israeli knife skills videos yeah yeah yeah yeah and then you're like really didn't commit murder it's alright he's got arthritis he's an old man it's him slicing bread it's him butchering an animal karate choppy watermelons so the glove they find obviously contains blood and DNA from OJ Nicole and Goldman yeah but it could have been anyone's Nicole and Goldman are dead and OJ isn't And he's there and the blood's there like a cocktail.

42:31But the defense say, oh, shit, man. And then they say Furman planted the glove due to his racism and he took the glove in his own sock to OJ's house. Yeah. There's a big debate about what they do with the actual glove. And this is kind of the lasting image of the whole trial, right? So the prosecution didn't want OJ to try on the gloves in an open court. what you were meant to do right is you're meant to take the glove and OJ away to a separate room get him to try it on and then come back and say yeah it fits I think that's what legally you're meant to do but this is on TV and that's not that's not good TV it's not good TV this is kind of the most the key TV moment yeah it is but this is what I mean is that Darden decides that OJ has to do it so he he fights Marcia and he says no we should we should definitely get him to try it on in the courtroom to incriminate him himself um but the glove didn't fit him famously and he also then he really puts on a performance oh it's great he's like whoa okay i mean what oh yeah yeah so he's wearing a naked gunning it completely yeah he is he naked guns it it's the naked gun it's a naked gun defense it's so funny about it he so he's wearing a latex glove which is crazy i just like i don't know it just feels like the american legal system is just so insane he's wearing another glove underneath yeah so Get him to take the glove off.

43:54Also, the glove had been like frozen and then defrosted several times. And it's leather. And it was covered in blood. So it was obviously going to be shrinking. And then they also, there was a strategy that when they had wind, that the prosecution were going to get him to try on the glove, they were like, stop taking your arthritis medication and your hand will swell up. I mean, genius. They're genius. I mean, they knew he was guilty. They're brilliant. Of course. They're on 50 grand a day. Yeah. You know, they're earning their money. Get him off. It's amazing. But why didn't they bring up, why was the identical one of the gloves at your house?

44:28The other glove was by his back door. What does that matter, you fucking Nazi? Gloves are for Nazis. Gloves are for Nazis. Oh, it was at his house. Why don't you kill six million Jews, you piece of shit? So they then bring, so the glove doesn't fit, and then they bring Furman back to the witness stand because in the meantime, they'd found, And he'd been chatting to like an LA screenwriter. Yeah. What's the screenplay? There's so many scumbags in this. It's impossible. It's a den of rats, isn't it? It's genuinely, it is GTA, the whole story. It fucking is, yeah. There's a screenwriter there. He'd been chatting to a screenwriter about what it's like.

45:13She was obviously trying to write The New Heat or something. Right. About what it's like to be a policeman. And so. So the defence introduced these 12 hours of like recorded tapes between Furman and the screenwriter. And Furman, as he loves doing, sprays the N-word about. Uzi out the window. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the Gaddafi embassy. It's a spark off. For creative reasons, yeah. You've got to take creative license. The screenplay is called Men Against Women. Exterior, chicken shop. Mark Furman, played by Brad Pitt. falls up outside. I mean, what is kind of interesting is the screenplay was basically, it was written by a woman called Laura Hart McKinney who was trying to highlight harassment of women in the LAPD.

46:01So her attempt to do that basically got a guy who cut a woman's head off. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. And Paul, his kids are there the whole time. So what age are they at this point? I don't know. Are they kids? No, OJs. So all these fucking bloodsuckers are there dressed up in African garments and there's a screenwriter trying to get a film off the ground. Their mum's been murdered in all of this. You know what I mean? But what do the kids think? Because he also has three kids that he doesn't really care about from his first marriage. Yeah, there's the weird one that I saw a doc where they were like, maybe it was him.

46:32And they basically made out because he was slightly autistic that he had like anger issues and stuff. He's the one who ran out and tried to punch someone when OJ came back in the Bronco. What do the kids think about the OJ murder? No, they still had a relationship. So Nicole's kids still had a relationship with him. I guess you're in a sticky situation because you've lost one parent and you can't then you'd lose another one yeah but why did you lose that one you shouldn't go fucking missing in Vietnam when I was killed by the dad Red we can't know no he was acquitted ultimately we can't know there's no footage we can't know I don't want to spoil it do you reckon he wakes up and just does a glove every morning before breakfast and then we go let me put my cereal gloves on yeah so Furman they then play there's then an argument as to whether they can play all these tapes in the courtroom again we have a similar argument before we start every day here shall we play the firman tapes for 12 hours before his podcast then firman firman tapes to look to study and relax to yeah yeah yeah firman beats to work yeah play it to a child and they'll be a genius headphones on firman in the sauna yeah lo-fi lo-fi firman beats so he he gets caught back to the stand and then in every question he's like you can plead the fifth which I don't think you can't do in here right pleading the fifth is an American thing and that's no comment but is it it's no comment but it's legally no comment so I plead the fifth can you just get up what the fifth actually is because like the legal it's the right to remain silent isn't it yeah is it the right to which we don't have over here right isn't it it's the right against self-incrimination which it's almost like it's yeah because you're basically saying you have a right to not incriminate yourself yeah it's so because if someone goes oh have you been cheating you go no comment you have because no is an option it's partly American's constitution.

48:18Why don't you just say no? Well, I'd be lying if I'm not going to say no. I guess it's like American constitution stuff, right? And fucking like Jefferson and stuff. They, they were cheating all the time. They were shagging their slaves. I guess it was like, let's put one in there. It's the ultimate. If I'm ever asked about anything. So you don't have to get it done for libel. You can just go, you know, I did. Cause it's such a shit talky culture. Yeah. You shouldn't be able to incriminate yourself with the wild shit you say. Yeah. It's so funny. I never get it. Yeah. You see in our crime programs, and you get the gangster and they're like, no comment.

48:48Just say no. It's so... Just lie. Yeah, lie. Because you're a gangster. But if you get found out, then that's... Yeah, but they were on trial for his murder. Whatever. I know it's Furman, it's different. But you're American, aren't you? A bit American. Yeah, half American. On what side? My mum. On the OJ side or the Furman side? What side of the divide? The Mickey Rooney. Yeah. Judge Mickey Rooney. Judge the court's now in session. So Furman pleads the fifth, which then, there's an amazing moment in a drama where they're like, are you going to plead the fifth to every question we ask? And he says, yes.

49:23But I'd plead the fifth to that. They then go away and they have a huddle. And then the prosecution are like, this is pointless because he's just going to plead the fifth. And then the judge is like, we'll have one more question. Brilliant. And then Cochran and, is it Cochran or is it F. Lee Bay? Cochran's a fucking legend, isn't he? I mean, I'd want him as my man. Yeah, 100%. 100%. It'd be so funny if I'm on trial, he plays the same race car. Yeah, you do it. as well. Hey, shit, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they then, they do this final question where they go, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?

49:55And he goes, I plead the fifth. So the jury are just like, right, well, yeah. And that's the... So you should have just said... No. No, I didn't. Say no. And in the documentary we watched, all the other LAPD officers are like, say no. Say no. Why are you pleading the fifth? But by that point, he was so cooked as like publicly, because he was basically public enemy number one. He was like a pantomime villain. Yeah. At what point? Because is it, had he been called twice? When he first came to the stand, right, they basically, I think part of what undermined everything he said is they're like, have you ever used the N word?

50:27Yeah. And he said no. Yeah. And it was 12 hours and he used the N words. And he's like, well, all right. Well, if you dig that up, then yeah. Yeah. It's like us on WhatsApp chats. Yeah. You ever said this? No, I've got your WhatsApp. Well, obviously I've said that. Yeah, obviously I have then. If you've got that, I thought that was off limits. Imagine if in 10 years they find a picture of Furman and OJ from 1973 having drinks. On Epstein's Island? Yeah. And you go, what happened was OJ went, I'm going to kill my wife at some point. I'll put you on a retainer to become a cop and say racist things.

50:57You know what I mean? In cahoots. This is the kind of stuff we need. We need to throw that out there. Sowing more confusion. so that basically then then there's this whole argument about uh there are people outside who've been watching the match the day highlights uh and it's live and they're now protesting for the uh court to release all the tapes they want to hear more of the n-word i mean the it's like our patriots they're holding big foam knives outside yeah more the fermentates are so explosive and they're so upsetting because there's so much n-word usage in them they're basically just it's like a tinder box being lit the weird thing is it starts a riot outside everyone's oj probably heard the tapes and agreed with everything he said it's the odd thing yeah what we found he's now writing true crime oh he's a radio host but that's just a radio host he's hosting talk radio of course he's hosting talk radio radio firman show can we get on it get on mark firman yeah what is it Good morning, N-Words.

51:57Is it LBC? It's got to be LBC. He just plays NWA all day, so he doesn't feel alive. Well, I'll tell you what. In the dock, his talking head, I thought he came across well now. I think he comes across as the final story. He was just a victim of the times and circumstances, wasn't he? It is council culture before it had a name. Digging up old tapes. yeah it's illegal to be a white man do you think he's got a cameo yeah am I on trial for being white yeah that's what it feels like of course he hosts talk radio of course this is the problem they can never just fuck off you know what I mean basically everyone attached to this because it's such a big media frenzy they couldn't really live any normal lives after this because they're always tainted by this Kato is now he is a byword for freeloading slob who lives in your house that's what Kato's say they'll go you know that's it's like a but it feels like every LA mansion has to have one yeah and you know he was like it feels like having a guard dog he goes I was nearly Jeff Daniels' role in Dumb and Dumber so that's how we could have gone but you need to have someone who was nearly Jeff Daniels' role in Dumb and Dumber in your garden if you have a mansion in LA that's part of the deal and that's why OJ thought he could get away with it he goes look at this thick piece of shit I can fucking kill my wife and come back covered in blood if you've made it as an actor in LA you need to have a failed scumbag actor in your garden as a way of paying back yeah But also acting is such a brutal job and it's people with the biggest egos getting rejected all the time.

53:25So you need a piece of shit, a piece of shit little gay boy living in a pool boy to make you feel better about this. He's living in a pool boy. Sorry. He might have been. We don't know who he's having sex with. Living in a pool house in order to make yourself feel better. But also he had something slam on his roof and he goes, oh, that's weird. Do you know what I mean? What have you found, Charlie? He's written a book about, it's called Murder in Brentwood. They all wrote books. Everyone wrote books about this. Well, you've got to monetise the thing. Everyone monetised it. It's the biggest news story.

53:50It's the biggest news story ever. Yeah. And everyone's trying to get money out of it. And I also just think, yeah, you just, I imagine you couldn't walk a normal job because you were on TV. Sorry, how many times is the N word used in the book, Charlie? Is it, what's it called? Oh, Bremble murdered. NWA, a white perspective. What about Mark Furman? If I said it.

54:11That's really good. Is that what it's called? If I said it. Yeah. Which I did. Yeah. This is how I would use it. Mark Furman. For 200 pages, for 12 hours, is how I would have said it. Mark Furman, if I said it. There's different ways of spelling it. Mark Furman, those N-words are crazy. 40 times in the novel. Page one. Dedicated.

54:3940 times. How was he doing that? Why don't you dedicate it to your wife, Mark? This seems a bit extreme. Page one. Yeah. I'm 10 years clean. We shouldn't be doing this in front of Red. He's on his 12-step program. Yeah. Have you got your chip? Yeah, that's the cold. Get on the bus and just turn to a black guy next to me. He looks the part as well, Furman. He looks like a piece of shit. Everyone looks in this how they should. Yeah. It makes you realise that, like, white guys having normal conservative haircuts, you look racist. It's why I've got long hair. Yeah, yeah. We've all got long-ish hair.

55:19exactly you can't have that cop haircut you look so guilty if I have a buzz cut I'm finished yeah well there's just been too many guys before yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but it also changes the context of what I said yeah of course it does yeah grow the hair a bit it just what is this it could be Greek yeah oh I dine out a lot on the fact that pretty much there's a I can pass for a lot of the world what's the furthest what's the hottest you can pass us temperature wise you're looking at you're probably looking at Iran yeah you're looking at you're looking at northern Iran northern Iran yeah I don't think we can go you know I look at the Shah of Iran and go I think I'm a bit darker than the Shah of Iran yeah yeah yeah and then South Latin America got covered yeah yeah Argentina but yeah no no more than Argentina white white white heritage yeah the Nazis we're in the era of white sort of yeah sliding slightly with, you know, confusing people with hair.

56:19Yes, exactly. Hispanic gammon is how I classify myself. Hispanic gammon. Yeah, I'm a Spanish glazed gammon in little chunks. Tapas gammon. Tapas gammon. I could pass to Latin America, Cuban, Irish, Scottish, British, obviously French. I don't have many. I've got German. You're a British man. You are. German, British, Swedish. That's all I've got really. You're a family values Tory from the 50s who turned out to be gay and killed his wife. I don't think you could even pass for like Northern. Yeah. Not Northern. Not Welsh. Not Irish. Not Cornish. Hampstead Heath is as far north as it gets with you.

56:57Your home county is just... Nothing north of Hampstead. Whereas me and Red are similar. We could... You could pass a lot. We could have a military dictatorship in some country. Yeah, you could easily be a dictator of a failed state. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Video me fleeing my palace in my pants with the uprising. Kick to death. hiding in a hole with a load of doughnuts. Gold AK-47. That should be your next tour show poster. It should be like you, like Saddam coming out of the tunnel. Oh my God. Going out with a massive beard. That's exactly the point. When you saw Saddam like that, you're like, oh, he can't be that bad.

57:32Why didn't he go out shooting Saddam? Because it's just, it's over, isn't it? What he did do is when he got hung, he did say, fuck you. It was amazing. Did he say, fuck you? He said any final words, go fuck yourself. Oh, that's sick. Yeah. This whole court's out of order. Yeah. And he stood up and he just started mouthing off. Because he's lucky because you see Gaddafi and that was no way to go. He should have fucking shot himself. That was the best I think he got bummed didn't he? The best way to go. Yeah, yeah. It's the most satisfying way any official's ever elected been out of the way. Not for him though.

57:58No. For the lads. Yeah. Unless he liked it. Maybe that was the whole thing. I've been saying this for a long time. I've been trying to get this joke on the internet that it's maybe a very long term planned kick. He became addicted because he goes I'm going to piss everyone so much off. He spends his whole life building up that much rage in the public. So he gets that one up the arse. It's like, you remember when Kevin Spacey got robbed in Hampstead Heath at four in the morning? And you go, he was out there going, oh, I hope no one assaults me. You know what I mean? That's what Gaddafi was doing.

58:32It's exactly like that. Anyway, I think you could get to probably the Mongolian steppe before I really, you know. Central, yeah. Kazakh, you know, it's there. it's in there and then obviously you go down to sort of Pakistan I mean I'm not no but Russia because it's so big it leaves the door wide open you know what I mean there's some Pakistani cricketers that are like you're quite light skinned yeah but you've got Pakistani hair like a yeah yeah they often have from the back yeah Pakistani hair from the back from the Pakistan just say that in a comedy green room Pakistani from the Pakistan that's a white line up no Finn's got Pakistani hair from the back the diversity's arrived you've embarrassed yourself you've got egg on your face anyway right on the 26th of September the prosecution and the defense make their closing arguments and we're going to deal with that in the final part of our series Red's going to stick around which I think is my favourite part to be honest the end of the story is the best of the OJ story it almost blows everything out of the water You think, I was surprised I was watching this documentary.

59:43I thought it would end at the end of the trial. It doesn't. It gets better. It gets better. You think the trial's the highlight, it's better next episode. Because everyone has such energy and goals, you know, as you find out. I think it's also, it's such a true American story because you go from so many different places and I think there's a real, we descend. It's like American Pie, the wedding. It keeps going. This is glitzy. This is glamour. It's getting seedier, the underbelly. Next time. If you think these guys are scumbags, the people you're going to meet, it's just... No one moves to Tibet and becomes a monk.

1:00:14That's the good thing. We've been in GTA Los Santos. Next time, it's Vice City. We're moving into the swamp. We'll get to Florida. Red will stick around. That episode's already on the Patreon. We're for£3 a month. You can help fund our legal team, which must include Johnny Cochran. Yeah,£50 ,000 a day. Whenever this podcast gets raked over the coals, I'm hiring Cochran straight away. And he's going to use the same defense he used in this trial. that's all for now we'll see you on the Patreon on Thursday see you next time bye bye bye bye

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