OJ, Nicole, and Ron Place Ron Time | The People vs O.J. Simpson (Part 1/4)

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1:27Well, it's a big fortnight on Finn vs. History. Horatio Gould joins me to dissect the life and trials of OJ Simpson. Set the juice loose! Set him loose. This is an epic story. I mean, a modern American tale. A great man. Yeah. Who I feel a lot of affinity with, I must say. Yeah. Because he gets away with everything. Yeah. And I'm sort of waiting for the day where I accidentally kidnap someone in a hotel room in Vegas. I'm waiting for all this to happen to me. This is all ahead of me. It's all ahead of me. I feel such an affinity with him that my son's first two initials are OJ. Are they? Yeah, a little private joke I play with myself.

2:07And when he took his first steps, I did say the juice is loose and my wife didn't know what I was saying about it, but I laughed and I thought it was fun. Well, she better start laughing when I was... She better start laughing. Also, when he struggles to get his gloves on in the morning, it's quite hard to put a two-year-old's glove on. I find that funny Are you saying relatable? I think well hang on You saw the moment where he was struggling to get a glove on you said OJ's struggling to get a glove on again that's what I thought I thought it was funny My son is called What a sweet man My son is called Orenthal Orenthal Orenthal Orenthal Orenthal I've never heard that name before or since Orenthal James Simpson This story that we so I made you watch this documentary have you seen the documentary before?

2:45I haven't seen the documentary before Do you agree with me it's one of the best ones he's ever made. Thank you. I mean, it's so long as well. Ten hours. It's completely justified. Yes. His life has so many segments. I look at OJ Simpson, I think I've done nothing with my life. No. Yeah, exactly. Fuck me, he's lived a life. He's lived five different lives. He's done everything. He's done it all. Or nothing. He's done none of it. Yeah. He did none of it. And it's like he lived one life, lived it backwards. He's gone, you know, up, down, all over the place. ESPN did a nine, ten hour documentary called OJ Simpson.

3:16Yeah, it's like Ken Burns on the Vietnam War, but it's just about O.J. It's more like a Steinbeck novel of like modern America where they weave all these threads and it culminates in this kind of... Then it becomes a Huntress Thompson novel. It's crazy. Yeah. And then in the end, it's just porn by the end. It's just a copy of Nuts magazine. But it kind of culminates in this sort of courtroom race war. Anyway, it's an extraordinary story. It could only happen in America. This is one of the most American stories you can have. I think it sort of says something about modern America. Yeah. This would not happen in Britain.

3:48No. or anywhere else. I don't know who the British OJ is. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's... Is it Wayne Rooney shagging a granny? I don't know. I guess it is that. I guess so. The trial of Wayne Rooney. No, do you know what it is? It's Colleen versus Rebecca. Oh, that's our... That's our OJ season. That's how pathetic we are as a country. It says something about Britain. It does. In the way that OJ says something about America. Yes. I suppose the equivalent is if David Beckham brutally murdered Posh Spice, allegedly. and he wrote a book called If I Did It yeah Charlie what you've just googled OJ Simpson naked apparently he's got a nine inch knob which does make a lot of sense Charlie's just showing us a picture of that's not his knob that's been blurred out though it's a long blur that's an incredibly long blur he's in good nick though from that photo Polaroid very good looking guy that's a young OJ Simpson and I think this is a cautionary tale about the dangers of having a massive knob it can go to your head yeah it really does you know and I think we should be looking at everyone with this sort of knob suspiciously of what they're capable of.

4:49Or what they think they're entitled to. That's his knob. So you've just unblurred, have you? Yeah. There's a lot of things Charlie doesn't do, quickly. And he's just, of his own volition, downloaded some software to unblur OJ Simpson's knob for us. He looks brilliant. He does look... He's a very good man. He's a professional athlete at this point. But do you think, in the way that... How did this guy come from the projects of San Francisco to become the most famous man in the world? I think it's because he was just gifted with this extraordinarily big knob. And now he just thinks that anything he does will work out.

5:22And this is, yeah, it's the tragic tale. It's a Greek tragedy. It's Icarus. It is a Greek tragedy. It's Icarus with a big knob. His knob got too close to the sun. Yeah, yeah. Right, okay. It is a Greek tragedy. Is it better to have a tiny knob and just keep your head down? Yeah, I think so. Well, I just think it's more like... I think you know your place. You know your place. When you look down and you can barely see it over your tummy and you go, well, I'm not a big deal, I guess. I guess I'll you know you know what I'll leave my wife's neck alone if I have if I end up retiring with a pension it's a good life you know pension security I'll be grateful for it pension security is not to be sniffed at for a man with this smaller cog get a good job get a pension retire happy travel a bit in your old age maybe maybe maybe probably not a cruise would be nice everyone on a cruise has got a tiny dick I say that now anyway Anyway, Orenthal, Orenthal.

6:17Orenthal. I imagine that's what his mother said to him when he was playing in a yard. Orenthal. Orenthal. Yeah. So Orenthal James Simpson was born on the 9th of July, 1947 in San Francisco, California. Now, his mother, Eunice, raised him pretty much by herself because it was a very poor area of San Francisco. And his dad, and I did not really know this. Which is actually quite a big part. Huge part of the psychological makeup. His dad, Jimmy, left the family when OJ was very young because he was a prominent drag queen who later dies of AIDS in 1986. Astonishing. So you have a man who is blessed with a massive hog and cursed with a drag queen father.

7:00The psychology of that is surely at play here. He's angry at his dad. Because this is the story of, I don't know, black success in America coming from the project. It's rarely this is the dad. yeah this isn't the this isn't the usual tale no that's very rare for the psychology very have like a a gay black uh drag queen sam fran dad there's no probably no more dangerous type of person to be than a black drag queen in the fucking 70s in america what do you mean by dangerous as in black people's homophobia right right at this point you know why you don't mean that we've got to stop these gay black drag queens oj simpson's father his drag name was quote mama simpson me only in america yeah uh jimmy simpson mama simpson is a drag queen who leaves the family early doors yeah and uh in the documentary the stories of his friends you know age kind of 9 10 they go to his dad's house yeah and he answers the door in a little sort of silk kimono with another bloke in the back yes and you know in the that would be what the late 50s maybe mid 50s is the guy telling the story the guy with the insanely raspy voice yeah okay man that's the thing when we grow up together man you're dead you're dead so in the whole documentary the talking heads are extraordinary they have everyone and i think it's a real it's a it's a real observation on how badly white people age compared to black people you're right it's quite amazing that you can have a black person talking about events they apparently grew up in and it looks like they're 30 years old.

8:43If they're talking about something that happened 70 years ago, then a white person was the same thing and they look dead. But they also, when you get to Ron Goldman's father, who has maybe the shittest tash of all time, he looks, in the old footage, he looks fucked. Yeah. And then you can be in the talking head, he's fucked. So OJ didn't realise his name was Orenthal until he was in third grade. Right. That's a great pullback and reveal. It's sort of like you're adopted, but instead you're called Orenthal. Yeah. So, I mean, he's not a clever guy. No. But as you say, he's a lucky guy. He's not a clever guy.

9:21Yeah, well, there's something to him. He's got charisma and he's got great instincts. To be fair, my son doesn't know his name's Orenthal. Yeah. Anyway, he had rickets as a child. And so he was wearing braces on his legs until he was five. But this used to be a classic thing of sports stars, right? Gurinsha. Yeah. Gurinsha, the famous Brazilian winger from the, maybe the 50s or 30s, maybe. He had knock knees, he had rickets, and it meant that no one could really, he could sort of go one way, his legs were going one way, but he could run the other. It was so bendy that people were like, what the fuck's going on?

9:54Or he split in half. Essentially. So his feet are going down, and he's running that way. So he joins a street gang called the Persian Warriors. He's arrested three times, and he is incarcerated, in a youth jail. But he marries Young. He marries a woman called Marguerite who describes OJ at school as being, quote, a really awful person. When she's saying this, she's not saying this when she's married to her. She was going out with OJ's friend Al Cowlings who comes into the story later. And he basically just nicks his girlfriend. Yeah. And then they stay mates. And this is a kind of theme throughout the story is that he is, he doesn't, well, allegedly he's not very nice to his family.

10:35Yeah. And the people closest to him. He's one of the greatest manipulators, because this is what I mean. He's not, he makes terrible mistakes and he can do very stupid, thick things, but he clearly has an unbelievable way of manipulating people to do what he wants them to do. He's got a huge dick. Yeah, I guess so. You don't need to be thinking. You don't need to think. All the blood has gone from his brain to this huge hog. And he, you know, he doesn't need to think at all. No. This episode of Finverse History is brought to you by Sir Shark. Woo-hoo! Guys, look, you've heard it from us before.

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15:10so ojo starts to gain fame as an athlete because he uh he's very good at running yeah he runs away from things um in 1967 he enrolls in usc the university of southern california which is in la and he joins the american football team there as a running back now obviously i don't watch american football i've made that very clear i am british and i have a mortgage yeah i don't watch this fifth. You spend five days watching Test Cricket. Yes, exactly. I know where I'm born. I stay in my lane. Many of our fans will stay up all night in their chairs that have, you know, neck grips. They'll be watching travel pillows.

15:49Yeah, I've made this very clear. Now, supposedly, in that clip, for anyone who doesn't know, when I went on the NFL show, apparently that guy, that presenter, was best man at one of OJ's later weddings. Later weddings. Later weddings. Crucially. Yeah, the prestige of the weddings goes severely downhill. But supposedly that's why that man was so annoyed at my insistence on making OJ jokes throughout the broadcast. Anyway, USC is a predominantly white, socially conservative college, and the campus is next to Watts, which is a sort of predominantly black neighbourhood of LA, which will come into the story.

16:23The big riots in Watts in 65. But OJ sort of becomes seduced by white society and starts to distance himself from African-American culture. maybe he never felt that attached to it because his dad was a drag queen which is not you know the centre of black culture do you know what I mean he already feels maybe slightly alienated or maybe his dad's drag character was white so he thought he was white that could be he was doing the half and half thing so maybe he felt you know where he's singing as a man and a woman white man black man oh I see is that a thing you know you paint yourself half one thing and then you do like a play to yourself oh I see could have confused him If I was doing blackface, is that a way of doing it?

17:06I think it's half, you only get 50 % in trouble. Yes. You get less in trouble. Especially if the other half's being, don't, what are you doing? Don't dare you. Hey man, what are you doing? Hey, no, come on, that's some tasteful. Yeah. Well, I imagine just growing up in that home at a key, we're thinking Freudian, in a Freudian sense, in a key age where a lot of this information is shaping who you are. Yes. Seeing your dad being a woman, a white guy, whatever, that probably messes with your wires, you know? Definitely. about your racial self-identity. Now, at this time, the civil rights movement is kicking off.

17:37The Black Panthers are around. But he kind of pulls away from that and he sort of goes into a white society. He sort of becomes this star within USC because college football is extraordinarily big deal. And it's the only equivalent we have here. I'm pretty thick about this. Yeah. So what is it? College football, we don't have anything like that. The only thing we have is the boat race. Okay, yeah. which is not a big deal no the equivalent story is like fucking what Matthew Pinson if he if he was even in the college boat race I imagine he was because he's Olympia or Steve Redgrave yeah if got famous doing boat races and then transitioned into doing movies because he was so famous from the boat race and then killed his wife allegedly it's like if uni sports were as big as the Premier League basically it's that it's the boat race is the Premier League and it's live and it's the boat race.

18:31Can you imagine Super Sunday and it's just fucking 10 posh twats on the Thames. Because it's not a league below NFL. They're two separate leagues which are which are both popular. It sounds like they're bollocks to be honest. It is bollocks. I mean have you seen the size of college football? They're bigger than Premier League. There's like 90 ,000 people. Why? Well there's a lot of people in America. Surely they're just shit. I think there's like I think it's because it's all youth right? So they have to be at the uni so it feels like maybe it's more exciting the way that it's drafted and the connection to the college you went to but I think instead of basically instead of NFL teams professional ones having a youth set up like Premier League seems to they college football is the kind of breeding ground of professional athletes and then there's a thing called the draft but it's like the under 21 league then yeah it's all complete bollocks but I mean we don't yeah I imagine someone's listening to this this is unbearable yeah but the kind of person that is can go fuck themselves as I've made clear very many times get a job you are on record stop drinking monster I'm married you won't be anyway so he's being pressured into sort of joining in the civil rights because obviously on campus I mean I know it's a white uni but there still could have been kind of imagined militant black students at this point it's the 60s it's the 60s when asked why he's not going to join in the kind of civil rights efforts he says I'm not black I'm Oja which psychologically he is now i say that as well i'm not black i'm finn yeah who's not black i'm white but that's not what he's saying no he's not saying he's white yes he's saying he's not black yeah he's saying his personality his persona i'm unique his fame transcends race which at this point no one's does yeah and that's why he becomes such a star is that he genuinely he disconnects himself from the civil rights movement basically but he's also non-threatening to whites yeah in a way ironically in a way that we will see.

20:28And I think the key, what I've learned from the documentary, the key way to be non-threatening to whites, people are trying to do that is wear cashmere jumpers. Yes. I think just wear a cashmere jumper and I think you'll get away with a lot more. I think you'll get less police harassment if you're wearing a tan cashmere jumper. Wearing a jumper where you put your sleeves over your hands and you kind of like... It's not threatening. Not threatening at all. Psychologically, he probably is an unbelievable sort of sociopathic narcissist, right? And so he only views things, he could only view things through his own lens, right?

21:02He can't view anything collectively. No, he sees himself as bigger than the black struggle. He's bigger than anything, though. It's all him. And even the fact that he's such a good runner, and when he does any other position, he's not good. It's just, as long as it's individual, I get the ball and run past everyone. It works with that sort of focus. So the reason he's so good at American football, which is obviously a stupid sport, terrible to watch but OJ is a running back which I believe is not that common in the game where he's so good they just give the ball to him and he just fucking runs through everyone so this is a college final game and it's between USC and maybe another college in LA or a San Franciscan college anyway it's a derby as well it's a derby match this is the famous run that we're watching now OJ runs fast some people is that it?

21:50that's literally it that's what I mean everyone goes mad for it but that's basically yeah but then is it because it's the 60s you know Stanley Matthews did one step over I guess so and half the crowd had a stroke Charlie's just got on this is a rugby match this is someone running through I mean it's the same isn't it it's just a bloke with holding a ball running it's not that impressive anyway people go mad for him he's so clearly the best college footballer of his age and he's also running with the ball which people don't do so So in 1969, he becomes the first black national spokesman for Chevrolet.

22:26He begins commentating on football games for ABC. I imagine black people are not getting any sort of brand deals. They're not the face of any sort of product. He's the first black influencer. Blimfluencer. He's a blimfluencer. ABC make him take elocution lessons to suit their viewer demographics better. So he's already being positioned towards white society as much as he is himself. and in the same year he is selected in the NFL draft to join the Buffalo Bills. Another problem with NFL is that they've got stupid names. Yeah. It's like pro-evo English teams. Right. What the London Reds. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:02Manchester Reds. Yeah. That's their actual... Whereas... You have an old man who's a diehard for the Buffalo Bills. Whereas county cricket... Yeah, it's esteemed as a gentleman's game. Right. Hampshire. Hampshire. Sussex. Sorry. Wessex. Doesn't even exist anymore in that county. the Buffalo Bills it's a childish culture anyway OJ gets a contract of the sort of equivalent of nearly six million dollars over five years which is the largest contract in pro sports in America at that point now he doesn't like Buffalo Buffalo's in the Midwest somewhere is it Michigan I don't know I think it's in New York State it snows a lot it's cold yeah it's in New York it's cold and also in the first three seasons the coach makes him a receiver rather than a running back so that's basically he has to run to catch the ball but he can't catch and he liked it at LA because he liked the celebrity culture.

23:47He felt like he was at the heart of everything. And Buffalo felt disconnected from it all. But then the team hires a new coach in 72 and the team starts to achieve success because they just give the guy with the big dick the ball and we'll win. So for three years, he was receiving and just... He can't catch. Can't catch. Which is amazing to be the best athlete in a sport where you have to catch and you can't catch. Because it's a stupid sport. As long as it's him on his own. Running. He's brilliant. Dodging tackle. getting away with stuff getting away with stuff I mean it's it's amazing so this is when and I think it's 1973 he reaches the height of his professional career where he beats Jimmy Brown's rushing record right fucking hell sad sacks who watch this he ran the furthest yeah so he's the first player to break 2 ,000 rushing yards yeah in a season he gets awarded MVP he wins the maybe the Heisman Trophy which is I guess like the Ballon d 'Or if you're fat anyway he's a big deal and he beats the record you know he's a big deal in NFL in 73 should we play 73 73 because it's the height of his professional sports career 1973 right I'll tell you when this is actually sorry this is it's after Bruce before Caitlin yes yep lovely Bruce is been born Bruce has been born he's not been murdered by Caitlin.

25:17Is that how they phrase it? That's how I phrase it. All right. Well, dead naming, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, does the one murder the other? I think so. So would you want to put Caitlin on trial for the death of Bruce? Yes, I would. I'd say, what happened to Bruce? Where were you? Where were you on the night that Bruce disappeared? He went into a box and you came out. Explain that to me.

25:40Now, in 1974, OJ signs a long-term deal to promote Hertz Rent-A-Car. Also to blazes that at the moment Wilson is he getting pegged by Marcia? He is getting pegged by Marcia. No 1974 no Heath's it's three day week I think. Yeah. I don't think. Yeah this is 74 is the year that it's switched between Wilson like three times. Can we do an impression where you're Heath and he's pegging you as Marcia please? No. I don't want to do this again. No Charlie. Come on. Stop trying these act-outs where Finn rapes me. You are always pitching act-outs that involve only bit of producing right let's do that again but Finn you're raping him and you're hating it you're really hating it and you're loving it Charlie it's got nothing to do with the topic let's get that clean we're talking about OJ Simpson in the NFL no no you rape him and then we'll put it out as a clip be a good clip good clip it's a good clip no it'll work on socials rape him yeah so in 1974 OJ signed a long term deal to promote Hertz I do I like Hertz yep I used Hertz quite recently you can't drive no but I was with someone who did right fucking rental car when they talk about this in the documentary this is amazing because they talk about how uh they want to convey speed they want to convey speed of service you get to the rental counter you get your keys quickly you get in the car it's like hassle-free so in the documentary which is amazing this is the bit that drags them the first episode two episodes or they could have been one episode i think like they do talk about hertz for about 45 minutes yeah because they got an interview with the CEO of Hertz who loves the sound of his own voice.

27:09And also is a white man who's aged terribly. Yes, you're right. He's got liver spots all in his head. He's actually 43. But I found this quite interesting, actually, because the advert is him running through an airport, but they're like, in 1974, we can't have a black guy running through an airport and it not seem threatening to a white audience. Yeah. So they then get white grannies to watch him go past and go, go, OJ, go. Yeah. It's the juice. and they were like the only way we can have this as like a colour neutral endorsement is if we have old sweet grannies chanting go juice you've got to balance that out yeah and Hertz refrains from including other black people in scenes with him he's more than happy to do this he really doesn't give a fuck about any of this stuff he's not precious about any of this stuff no now in 1978 he transferred to the San Francisco 49ers sounds like well it's how you should do anyway at the time And the context of this is that there's a lot of black athletes now standing up for civil rights, right?

28:08This is the famous Black Panther sign. It's the glove. Another amazing irony in the story is that John Carlos and the other one are in the Mexico Olympics in 68, isn't it? And they do the Black Power salute where they lift up a closed fist glove with a leather glove. And OJ, again, this is Muhammad Ali speaking out. And they're trying to get OJ to come and help the civil rights movement. but he's not having any of it. OJ's going, absolutely not. And this is the, 74, this is coming to the end of the Vietnam War. Yeah. There's a lot of racial issues with conscription. But what's amazing is you wouldn't know any of that from the first two parts of the OJ documentary.

28:46What's extraordinary is that he is sort of apolitical. But in a way, you kind of skip a lot of America's problems when you're just following OJ at this point. Yes. You're just kind of, you're running past them all. You think, what are you on about? What do you mean? You're in rental car adverts. Yeah, it's great. As a people, you're clearly fine. now OJ transfers to the San Francisco 49ers but he has knee issues and he retires from football in 79 but he also retires because he's starting to get acting work and he from 1988 this is where he's quite Beckham like right wind down your career early so you can pivot into celebrity acting stuff like that from 1988 to 1994 he appears in all three naked gun films which is amazing you forget he's in there often when you go back you forget that OJ's there.

29:32But it's also funny listening to the director talk about he's like the only acting he was good for was Naked Gun. Because of how cammy it was. How cammy it was. He was considered for the role of the Terminator but producers thought that he was too nice to be seen as a cold-blooded killer. Another role that he probably would be able to do because you're a robot. Yeah. That's why Schwarzenegger was good at it. I guess because Schwarzenegger isn't an actor. He's not an actor before the Terminator is he? He's a body pump. Yeah. Exactly. Body pumper? Body builder. making it horny that it needs to be Finn my wife does a class as David Lloyd called Body Pump really I'm slightly threatened whenever she gets inflated yeah so you're going to the gym love what's going on now he receives military training on how to use knives as a weapon for a 1994 show called Frogman which has never aired because the pilots he's only made a pilot and then the trial comes out the murder happens so this is so Warner Brothers lose an estimated $14 million because they've made this pilot they can't air because the lead in it may have stabbed someone.

30:37Is it making the link that his knife skills come from this? Possibly. Yeah. So he also does adverts for, you know, cowboy boots, ham. It's an American story. Now, I suppose there's another character in this story. I guess we should talk about one of the murder victims. Ron Gold... No, we should talk about Nicole Brown. Nicole Brown is a model maybe? She's a waitress. No, she's a waitress. She's 18 years old, so I think she's a waitress. But if she's a waitress in LA, she'll probably have aspirations. Everyone in LA is either porn star or whatever. OJ meets Nicole in 1977, and she's working as a waitress.

31:19She was 18, he was 30. This is all above board. Nicole had been born in Germany. Plot! In 1959. But they moved to the US when she's young. And at this point, OJ's still married to Marguerite and had three children. Three children we haven't heard about. No. He hasn't talked to that. No. That doesn't come into the story, really. No, one of them dies in his pool. And he was away. He was away. And he really just bashes that off. There's an interview he's asked about his kid drowning. And he was like, well, I wasn't there. Yeah. And so I'm OJ. I'm kind of over that. I'm OJ. No, I'm OJ. I'm not a father.

31:55I'm not a father. I'm not black. I'm OJ. I don't have a kid. I'm OJ. Anyway, everyone... Was that the same house? Is that Rockingham? Yeah, yeah. That's the big mansion in LA. Everyone in OJ's family has got a weird name. Orenthal. Marguerite. Mama Simpson. Yeah. So after their first date, Nicole says that he had been forceful and ripped her jeans. Red flag. That's more of a third date thing, Orenthal. He'd also promised her that he'd buy a car and an apartment. And he leaves Marguerite for Nicole in 1979. and they get married in 1985. Yeah. And they have two children together. Big society wedding.

32:33Everyone loves Nicole and OJ. This is like OK Magazine. Hello. And he's got this big mock Tudor mansion in Brentwood, which is one of the fanciest parts of LA. And yeah, just all of the... Everyone's always hanging out at their home. It's a real social hub. Yeah. And they're kind of like seen as the sort of perfect couple. It's Barrymore. Yeah. It's Epstein. You know, it's what could go wrong. Yeah. It's just a pool party. I imagine there's like, Trump must have been knocking about. No, there's photos of Trump. Just type in Trump and OJ. We're looking at photos of Trump. Oh, Trump. The boys. OJ and Trump.

33:09What sort of thing is Jack and Ed talking about? I reckon they're both saying the M word a lot. Personally. And they're both saying I'm not black. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not black, I'm OJ. I'm not black, I'm Donald. What are you all about? None of us are black, OJ. But it is fun. Is OJ the first and only black person to say that he doesn't see colour? yeah that's interesting it's before or since yeah a historical anomaly it's yeah it's kind of amazing he's almost cultural appropriation for who from white from whites well yeah there's a lot of stuff yeah his jumpers the way he plays golf i'm actually livid about this yeah yeah that's that's our sport this episode is brought to you by fry five it's like people who can't say three and they go free yes five this is food to thrive are you busy yeah so busy i'm fucking busy oh my god i'm too busy to listen to other people i'm too busy to check in on myself i'm too busy to wipe my ass i'm in a constant battle trying to balance work being a parent wiping my ass my own my solo sex life your solo sex life yeah just a bit of me time yeah i've got so many big hopes and dreams for 2026, but it feels like there's never enough time in the day to balance all my needs and cook.