Our Poor, Innocent Antarctic Model Village | Margaret Thatcher & The Falklands (Part 2/6)

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1:29welcome back to fin versus history i'm joined by horatio gould hello sir and we're in our stolen valor phase of the podcast um we're saying we fought in the falklands i'm saying we fought in the falklands i guess that's the yeah it's the closest it's the nearest war we i guess you could say all right but that's kind of the nearest valorous war we could steal valor from really yeah do people really get away with second world war no no no but then i suppose do people people would come up and shake your hand if you said you've bought in the falklands yeah i mean yeah people of a certain age who remember it i don't think for my generation people truly understand the significance of the falklands and there is there is a huge it's the most significant conflict it's one of the most important conflicts of our life of our of the of the century it's a pussy dick shift it is a pussy dick shift yes it's the defining conflict of the 20th century it's the third world war really this is world war three yeah is it's the battle for the soul of the globe yeah it takes place it's good versus evil yeah it's one of the most black and white conflicts there is and when the british flags are flying over port stanley that place i always think about my god didn't we didn't we win is there any anywhere more british than port stanley east falkland yeah the most british that britain ever was 500 miles off the coast of argentina actually i joke about it but the kind of it because it's a sort of a time capsule of the 50s it is so funny the falkland islands because the people who are there are more british than british people it's it's generally because it's britain without any immigration of any sort it's just here we go it's the lost world what could have been enoch pal's nirvana cold windy rock wet rock with some long grass it is isn't it it's sort of like a stubborn retreat no genuinely it's genuinely it's a model miserable it's a model village it is britain fights a 10-week war over a model village in the south atlantic it's amazing oh you got you got a part of britain 8 000 miles away i bet it's lovely and sunny no the weather's arguably worse we chose it's worse than scotland yeah yeah it's like 4k scotland yeah going as far away as possible just to get the exact same more remote even more rainy even more harsh even even less people and even more miserable argentina argentina no it's not it's not like that at all hitler's not escaping to the falkland islands no he's escaping to brazil yeah a miserable bunch of rocks this is the start of our three parts on the Falklands, which is itself part two of six of Thatcher.

4:05Wow. Which is itself part 12 of the post-war British Prime Ministers. Yeah. The Babushka doll continues. We couldn't really talk about Thatcher without doing the Falklands. And we had to do this conflict justice because, as you said, it's the defining conflict of the 20th century. It's very much the Douglas Alec Hume of war. Yeah. You know, this country. Alec Douglas Hume. Fuck. I always get it wrong. Fuck. country is still scarred by the conflict in the Falklands. I mean, yeah, the amount of veterans who fought in it, you know, it scarred everyone's memories from the generation above. Yeah, the trauma.

4:44As much as our parents, their parents talked about the Blitz, I can't remember a day where my parents didn't bring up the Falkland Islands. And, you know, the famous battle of Mount Harriet and Goose Green, that my parents would not shut up about it. You know, their lives were defined. by the Falklands. And for the next three episodes, so will this podcast. Now - I mean, it is a great topic, to be fair. It's so brilliant. I love it. Yeah, it's great. It's really interesting. And we even joke about it, we joke about it not meaning much, but at the time it did, it meant a whole - It was all we had.

5:15Yeah. It was all we had. And I think in the context of the wider British Prime Minister series, you know, what I'd like people to do, you know, if you were a real fan of this podcast, you would listen to the entirety of the 10-part series and then go straight into this one. Yes. Because you then realise how we literally had nothing, but then the opportunity to make us feel good again. Run that shit back. Run it back. Yeah. DJ. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Run that shit back. Let's go out. Let's do it again. Let's reenact World War II. It's World War II brackets reprise. Yeah. It's Thatcher playing drag Churchill.

5:53Yep. She's a drag king. We all get to pretend it's the blitz spirit again. Exactly. Yeah. It's 8 ,000 mile away, Dunkirk. It's kind of LARPing. It's exactly. I mean, a thousand people died, but it's sort of like. But they died over LARPing. Yeah, it's basically LARPing. That's so bad. It's just really intense LARPing. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's the hardest LARPing ever got. Yeah. And it's the most. We basically found a neutral venue. Two countries and not a huge amount of history. Villapark, semi-final. Yeah. It felt like a board game almost. Yeah, essentially. You know, the stakes. Could not have been higher.

6:29Could have been. A crucial. This is 1 ,800 British people. Could have been a bit higher, maybe. It could have been slightly higher. It could have been slightly closer to anything. 1 ,800 British people with a pub and some red pill phone boxes are brutally conquered. I mean, it's a disgrace. I mean, it's unspeakable. Well, the Argentine. Magistries, territory. Which, to be honest, it happens occasionally with Britain. We have so many of these rad little islands around the world. It'll be interesting. Remember when we gave away the Chagos Islands, which I'm still furious about? I mean, I think that deal's collapsed.

7:02I haven't slept since. I know. I mean, think of the Tragossians. Tragossians. But what I love is they'll be like, Britain gives away these islands and the people will be like, what are those islands? Don't get, that's British territory. Fuck off, that's the Tragossians. You can't just give them the Tragossians, was I asked? That happened in the Falklands where like, everyone was like, what the fuck's that? Don't give it away. Where? Generally, the Falklands have been invaded. Where? No, you can't have it. Huh? What? Now, this is Thatcher's great, the great turning point in Thatcher's career, which is why we wanted to spend some proper time on it.

7:40The Falkland Islands, I genuinely did not realise how far away they are until I research this. From anywhere. They are so far. They are about 300 miles off the southern tip of Argentina. Right. So when we were talking about Captain Cook, going to Tierra del Fuego, the people that he thought would be giants that's where the Falklands are so Cook, trying to find Antarctica that's where the Falklands are did he pass through the Falklands? yeah I think so or South Georgia that's where we found South Georgia isn't it? let's get into the checkered past of the Falkland Islands they're 8 ,000 miles from Britain they are 300 miles off the coast of Argentina well they're not 8 ,000 miles from Britain because they are Britain thank you britain stretches from four eight thousand miles you've got the shetlands in the north and the fork lines in the south and that's britain i've always said that i've always said that now there's an invasion on the southern border what they're invading forklans again yeah this is the original stop the boats oh yeah yeah now the forklans were described by early sailors as quotes utterly inhospitable charles darwin they're rubbish They are fucking rubbish.

8:58They are. I'll say this now. I can't think of a worse place to have a stag do than the Forkland Islands. They are the opposite of a stag do. Yeah. You know, Berlin, Prague. Mecca. Budapest. Do you know what? Fair fucks. That's close. I'd say Mecca's probably a bad stag. I don't think it'd be a laugh doing Mecca. You'd just be worried, wouldn't you? I'm not going to say the wrong thing. What are you worried of? Hey? What are you worried of? Can I take my pint into the Mecca bit or not? I think you could take your pint in, right? I don't mind that. I think it's like the football games now. You have to drink it outside.

9:30You just have to do a plastic cup. Is a plastic cup inside the... Yeah, inside the hajj. Sometimes I think about a guy who what? Did acid at Hajj. Fuck. Fuck me. Okay, so you can do... The Quran says nothing about acid. All right, so you can still bang pills at Hajj. Yeah, yeah. Okay, fine. My Muslim friends at uni, no alcohol, but they'd be doing ecstasy every weekend. Right, okay, fine. Because Godran says nothing about it. I'd say the Falklands are the opposite of a stag do. Right. If you want to go and say, where are we going? Oh, we're going to Port Stanley in East Falkland. What's the worst thing about Britain?

10:00Let's go there. Let's make it like, let's do it 10 times worse. Yeah. You know what you say about the Shetland Islands, how they're too busy? Yeah. I found the perfect place. We can leave the hustle and bustle of Orkney and really decompress in East Falkland. So Darwin visits the Falklands in 1833, described the islands as, quote, desolate and wretched. And he loved everything. he's fascinated everything yeah did you not find any birds or puffins are there lots of Charlie there are puffins on Falkland Falkland lions are home to many birds yeah they got lovely penguins yeah Falkland Island South Georgia definitely has loads of penguins I love penguins my favourite bird no penguins are great they're crowd pleasers yeah no one can have anything out against penguins so Dennis Thatcher describes the islands as miles and miles of bugger all now that's quite tame for him in the early 20th century the population's around 2 ,000 right just mostly of british descent sheep vastly outnumbered humans there's about half a million sheep that's a lot so really this is a uh it's a farmer defending his sheep is what this conflict is it has some naval importance brackets does it though because i suppose it's a stage you can project you can project power right from all these islands that's the main thing it's a staging post on the way to the antarctic but i don't know why we need to project our power there no i mean that's the part of the question as well.

11:21So they're culturally isolated. Falklanders describe themselves as quotes more British than the British. But I guess that's because they... It's like a... Yeah, it's an alternative reality. Yeah. Where you're stuck in the 50s forever. This podcast is the Falklands. Yes. Yeah. The Union Jack has flown everywhere. There are portraits of the monarch displayed everywhere. Yeah. It's a tea drinking culture. They love football. They love cricket. It's a model village in the South Atlantic. Close your eyes. Exhale. Feel your body relaxed and let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class.

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13:16So for one year, they're French. Yeah, Britain establishes Port Egmont on West Falkland. Because the Falklands are two separate islands. Oh, okay. East and West Falkland. Yeah. And they don't know about each other for a year. Right. Then, in 1770, Spain forcibly expels the British garrison, and there's a near war between Spain and Britain, although it was avoided through diplomacy. Lovely. We've warned them once in 1770. That shit rock is ours. This terrible place is ours. Britain withdraws in 1774, but leaves behind a plaque. I mean, rules are rules. To be fair, if there's a blue plaque, it's Britain.

13:55I've always said that. Now, in 1816, the newly independent Argentina inherits the claim from the Spanish. Right. So let's just go through the scores. We've left a plaque. That should be final. That is underline. They're ours. There's a blue plaque. Yeah. The Argentina has inherited a claim from the Spanish. Can you inherit a claim? I don't think so. I don't think so. In 1820, a privateer pirate flies the Argentine flag and formally claims the islands for the United Provinces. He might not have read the plaque. I don't think he's not. He can't have seen the plaque. Surely not. His proclamation is reported in foreign newspapers, and this is later used by Argentina as evidence of early peaceful occupation.

14:37In 1833, Britain reasserts control, and this is the core of Argentina's grievance. So 1833. So they talk about... The usurpation of 1833. The usurpation of 1833. Usurpation. Usurpation. Now, Argentina is a grumpy country. With a naughty past and a naughty present. A naughty present. They're quite a naughty country, actually, Argentina. They are, yeah. And there's lots of love about the Argentines. There is. They love steak. Steak and red wine. Yeah, that's good. And they give safe harbour to Nazis. Yeah. So, you know, I'm listening. If an Argentinian is talking to me, I am listening. They're very problematic.

15:17And what is interesting is that they semi-tried to pitch this as like a colonial possession that's out of date. Yeah. But Argentine past is the most colonial past. Argentina is a colony. It's the Spanish, white Spaniards, genociding their locals and then kicking out all the black slaves. That's why Argentina is 95 % white or something. So it's like, yeah, if you're saying we should have the Falklands, you shouldn't be in the fucking Argentina. and your last name is Sturmfuhrer like can we be can we be honest about who we are for a second yeah maybe we shouldn't have them but you shouldn't have them Argentina so you're not the ones who are going to take it away from us why is your name Hans and you speak like that what the fuck is going on bonjourno mi amo Hans anyway yeah I listened tried to listen to a podcast that Afua Hirsch was hosting about the Falklands she described it as like white on white imperialist ding dong yeah okay and I was like Afua park the bollocks alright well it's an interesting one I think it's a bit of a Spider-Man meme for white people to deal with.

16:18They don't really know where to fall. Fascist Argentina versus Thatcher's Britain. Yeah, it is. It's like... I guess the white things give it back to the penguins. But that's it. There's never... What she was struggling with was that she couldn't find the indigenous people who were oppressed. Who were oppressed. So it's the penguins. It has to be. So in her mind... Because you can't find them anywhere. No. This is... It's puffins and penguins. They've been murdered by the Argentinians, any indigenous person. Yeah, as we'll see, the Argentinians do not have any respect for wildlife. In the early 1830s, Britain re-establishes a permanent presence.

16:54It secures Strategic Coaling and Naval Station, which is on the route around Cape Horn. The British warship HMS Clio arrives at Puerto Soledad, which is now called Port Louis. A small Argentine garrison and an Argentine flag are flying. Onslow demands the removal of the flag. Argentine officials protesting, but facing a superior British naval force, they withdraw without a fight. They do not learn their lesson. That should have been that. That should have been that. Now, Argentina as a country was, after Spain left, basically a British colonial protectorate. Yes, culturally, certainly. Britain has a very interesting empire in the South America, which they don't know.

17:35People think that Argentina hate Britain, as they do, because of the Falklands, but they didn't realise how they were like angler files. They've got daddy issues. Yeah, they really do. With us. Because all of their like railways, meatpacking, banking, utilities, that was all British companies. There was all the elite upper classes. It was kind of modelled in the British upper class. Country clubs. That's why Argentina play rugby very badly. Yeah. Polo, football. It's probably good at football. Football. Yeah. And Brazil, I mean, Brazil is the same. Britain has a sort of a soft empire in Brazil in the 19th century.

18:05Borges, what's his name? Luis Borges, the writer. What's his name? I don't fucking know. You know, Luis Borges, he's like the most famous Argentinian writer. Huge Anglophone. Tallest dwarf. And the islands are essentially this sort of symbolic wound in Argentina. In Argentina. Argentina. In Argentina. In political culture. So they call them, they call them, and I will not say this again, the Islas Malvinas. All right. To be fair, I'm going to give one thing to Argentina. It does sound a nicer place in Spanish. Look at Charlie Charlie get las Malvinas Google image the Falklands Okay, and I would like you to tell me which of these words describe this place I mean Falklands feels more accurate the Falkland Islands or Las Malvinas yeah Malvinas sounds like you know there's a there's a romance Those are the fucking Falklands I was born on the Falkland Islands I think part of Argentina's major grievance is that their tongues aren't strong enough to say a hard F.

19:11So that's what they're upset about. And it's misappropriated rage? Right. And they're taking that rage out on the British. Yes. And the poor people and sheep of the Falkland Islands. You know, the model villagers, 1950s Britain. The Argentinians want to call them the Malvinas Islands. and in the 20th century, the UN Resolution 2065 called for bilateral negotiations. They held intermittent talks throughout the 60s because no settlement was reached. In the 60s, of course, which this is the era of Macmillan and Wilson and mass decolonization, you know, Alec Douglas Hume just gives it away. The thing he's remembered for.

19:52Yeah, it's a garage sale, right? Yeah, we sell everything. Again, you can go back through the earlier parts of this series to pick up on that. But by 65, we pretty much got rid of everything. Yeah. Africa, gone. Gone. India, gone. Marie Kondo, right? We have decluttered our wardrobe. Declutterization. Except we're now just naked. Yeah, taking it too far. Yeah. Now, in the 1970s, the UK were proposing, quote, leaseback arrangements. They basically were like... Trying to do the Hong Kong thing. Yeah. I feel we regret the Hong Kong thing, though. So I think we thought with the Hong Kong thing, they wouldn't ask for it back and when we did that lease it was a fishing village yeah and then it was like basically new york and in china yeah we're like oh fuck oh fuck it i didn't think you'd actually call us on that also it now looks sick yeah yeah it's a shame the city that never sweeps anyway

20:47now it's very expensive for the british to hold on to the forklands because it's an island and so they don't grow anything. Yeah. So it's just like they're sending cans and tins and like tin peaches. It's Glastonbury. It's a permanent Duke of Edinburgh. Living there is a permanent Duke of Edinburgh. It must be so fucking annoying to live there. But then they, I don't know, they've got like a sort of siege mentality. I think it's a good British state of being, permanently annoyed. Yes. They don't want to break out of that. Just a lot of that. Permanently, oh, weather's bad. I mean, you can live anywhere else.

21:20you know british food makes sense in the forklance yes it does you know argentinian food does not no not at all it is so obviously you look at the country and you think it's so obviously part of britain yeah it's not argentina it's home away from home it's not you know there aren't sort of women with the big hoop earrings and red lipstick doing the tango in fucking port stanley there's a old maid behind the bar giving you a scout there's barbara winds going get out my pub Mr. Falkland Islands. Now, the lease back, Harold Wilson has this idea, right, that we're going to lease it back to the Argentinians.

21:54So it's still technically British if the Argentinians can administrate it. Because at this point, Wilson is getting pegged to shit by Marcio Williams. He does not want to deal with an island 8 ,000 miles away. Yeah. Granddad's getting his back blown out. Granddad's on the floor, his knees in the dirt. And, you know, what a model village thinks 8 000 miles away couldn't be further from his point of mind so he even comes up with a scheme i think to pay every falkland islander a million pounds to just fuck off and they turn it down of course they're so stubborn yeah right but also i think money doesn't mean much to them because they go what do i spend it on yeah i'm trapped i'm on puffin island um oh is this charlie have you googled the falklands accent yeah so it's it's sort of West Country, New Zealand and South African.

22:42Do you want to give us a crack at it? Should we layer it up like a loop pedal? So start with West Country. All right. All right. Is that my name? Can I have a bit of that pie? Right. And then let's just add on a bit of Austrian. Can I please have a bit of that pie? And then a bit more hard with this African. Can I have a bit of that pie, please? All right. Lovely. Okay. Keep it going. Can I have a bit of that pie? Can you say, get the Argies off my island. Get the Argies off my island. so they're deaf they're deaf get right to your parlor right okay I don't know where I am so it's 1800 deaf people on the modern village off the coast of Argentina lovely so the lease back arrangement collapses because the Falklanders themselves they don't want to lose their British identity they scupper the deal what is it Charlie do you imagine that they're a sort of what's the mental health of the Falklanders now are they like are they what they like I'd say it's about as robust as anything don't talk about it repressed British men don't talk about it their view on mental health is frankly none of my business yeah What are you doing digging around in there?

23:40I'd say Diary of the CEO's listening stats are very bad in the Fort Worth Islands. Irrelevant. Irrelevant. Why on earth? They can't understand why you'd look into yourself. What the fuck are you doing? Don't look in there. That's none of your fucking business. What's the point now? So we need to deal with the rise of Argentine nationalism. Now, under Juan Perón, who was president in 1946, who else is in the country in 1946? I can't think. I can't think. um uh the issue what's eichmann doing is he made it here is eichmann is eichmann in italy yes he's he's fanning about germany and italy he hasn't quite gone down caught on the ship he's not he's not in argentina um juan peron uh in the early 50s his government increasingly presents the malvinas as part of a broader anti-colonial agenda because it's symbol is a symbol right that's the main thing there can't really be much else than a symbol right no because it is literally a post box in a heath.

24:35Las Malvinas son Argentinas become state doctrine. The Malvinas are Argentine. Now, in 1976, there's a military junta, which is a very fun word to say. And now, you can only have junters in Spanish-y, Latina countries, right? Yes. We couldn't have a junta here. No. I'd like one, I think. I know, but it just feels like junta seems, it always seems specific. It always seems in a country that uses spice in their food, right? Yeah. yes it is what what does hunter mean it's there's no mashed potato hunters no like being hunters no um hunter sounds like a slur i like the word um fucking hunter fucking hunter there's too many fucking hunters in here mate um hunter means council in spanish okay so the spanish does make everything sound better it sounds dramatic hunter it's a telenovela jackie weaver's military hunter now yeah the uh the argentine's military hunter seizes power in 1976 we should place this okay but maybe we should place the falklands war generally yes we should do it the date should be from the falklands war okay which is uh the invasion is the april 1982 82 uh would you like to place this yeah okay 1982 uh that's after stanley matthews uh did one step over and everyone thought that he was uh a witch they tried to burn him at the stake yeah and it's it's half before Paula Radcliffe shat herself surely it's got to be before Radcliffe by I mean it's a little bit of a wide berth no I think that's I think that's nice I think you're looking at sort of 50s as Matthew's step over poo herself day Radcliffe 2005 right and then do Stanley Matthew's first step over 50s 50s yeah so it's nice it's quite nicely British history in there I didn't realise that Paula pooed Pula Radcliffe Paula did a poo yeah famously did it it's called doing a paula rag but standing matthew support is the decline of britain right this series really should be called from matthews the decline of post-war britain managed decline she's not managing her decline very well um now the military hunter i i will say this obviously cut me and i bleed the falkland of course but there's a lot of doubt that about you there's a lot to love about the military hunter i must say this uh i was doing some research last night they're some pretty funny guys you know they're a good pint i think the military hunter they seized power in 76 and they launch what they call a national reorganization process okay and what they mean by that is that they're reorganizing anyone who's a bit of an annoying left-wing student they put them in the sea right they do this thing called disappearing people right where we've got to reorganize sometimes yes you've got up so i'm going to take those annoying left-wing students i'm going to put them in a helicopter and i'm going to fly there and i'm just going to drop them into the sea alive they basically people from like goldsmiths who are like oh fucking come on mate they go right let's just bin laden them in the ocean alive alive yeah this is what's called the dirty war which i think we should do an episode at one point it is quite funny but they sounds it yeah They basically, it's that classic thing where they take power and I don't think there's any one coalition that's leading.

27:54It's like the army, the navy and the air force are all fighting. They're the council. Good guys. And anyone that they think is an internal enemy, because they're viciously anti-communist. Right. So anyone who's a little bit communist. They can do whatever they want to them. Yeah. So they have this thing called... Like electrocuting people, right? Oh, there's a lot of electrocuting, sticking electrodes on the genitals with poets. Right. Again, stop clock. You know, there's a lot to love about them. Yeah, basically they take up students who were like, even handing out a pamphlet on campus. In the sea.

28:23In the sea. Right, that's it. In the sea. And so they would drop them, they drug them, and they drop them from a height over the Atlantic Ocean. And they'd never tell families, they'd just say disappeared. They would never tell them that like, there's hundreds and thousands of journalists that just disappear. Yeah, I wonder where they went. The sea. Just chuck them in the bin. Chuck them in the bin. they're basically skimming stones with journalists my dad can't deal with clutter there's been a big problem my mom has too much clutter so that's a huge part of the reason they divorced but he basically he'll just swipe whole uh any letters on the on the kitchen counter he'll swipe he's thrown away a couple of passports before really but he just it's in the bin he just can't deal with any of it he doesn't want to go through it it's it's in the bin but if i need another one i'll buy it i can't just i just can't deal with that but i have that impulse as well yeah and so it's just like now anyone who's just slightly annoying in the bin some days the door rings and it's a man with a package and i genuinely i'm like can you just put it in the bin please please i don't want to even open it just put it in the bin yeah i'll put whatever it is i'll find you've ordered if i need it i'll find it yeah okay i'll get it again i fuck it i hate delivery so i'd much rather go into a shop and buy it yeah i hate i hate all that it's just frustrating i i'm i'm a bit of an online shopper i i think as bad as amazon is it's pretty it's a miracle i don't have no moral problem with it i just hate stuff arriving and they have to take a photo of my feet.

29:43Fuck off, you weirdo. Yeah, you sick fuck. You're going to end up on wicket feet, you sick fuck. It'd be quite funny to call DPD man. What are you taking a photo of, you sick fuck. Are you taking a photo of my swastika socks? Excuse me. This is my home. This is my soxtikas. What is it? Soxtikas. Soxtikas. Swasta socks. Swasta socks. This Christmas, Finn vs. History's swasta socks are now on sale. God, next year maybe. Maybe. Anyway, the Hunter, things aren't going well for the Hunter. um the army the navy and the air force are i think they rotate leadership maybe between the three factions i mean we talk about we often get compared to argentina because it always makes us feel better because no matter how bad our post-war decline is argentina has always been worse yeah right there's been in the 30s that they were they were like a bit good economy right they're they're at their point they had like they were like doing like fucking like 30 of all beef in the world i think there's a point maybe at the start of the 19th century everyone thinks argentina is going to be the richest country in the world.

30:41Or like it's only the biggest power in the world. But it's also what's interesting about Argentina. It feels like a lot of their problems have been due to mismanagement above all else. Well, they're Spanish. Which is funny. Yeah. Because all the time there's just forces at play that you can't deal with. Yeah. Such as being Spanish. Nappy nappy time. Yeah, I think at the start of the 19th century, everyone's like, this is the promised land. They're going to be the richest country ever. They've got all these cows. They've got so many resources. yeah but yeah they fuck it repeatedly uh and but they still have that ego the argentines yeah now definitely have you ever met the argentines yeah yeah of course yeah they're quite they could be you know they give it a lot they give it a lot they're giving it the biggin yeah they do and they've got no fucking trophies what wars are you on yeah exactly you're giving it the biggin you've seen lampard when he said that to clot no you win one prem you're now giving it the biggin you've not seen that no you know this on the touchline it's a class giving it the biggin that's why that's now part of the vernacular.

31:37Right. He's just shouting at, you win one prem and you're giving it the fucking big one. Yeah. This is Britain to Targentino. You're giving it the big one. Fuck off. Giving it the big one is great. That's England to Targentino. Yeah, you're giving it the fucking big one. Fuck off. Who are you? I love that. Giving it the big one. Now the head of the Hunter in 1982 was a man called, is it Leopold Galtieri? Yeah. Leopoldo Galtieri, he's head of the army. Yeah. And by the early 80s, the junta's management of the economy is bad. To be fair, they're putting anyone who's skilled in the sea. Yeah. That's not where they should go.

32:20They should go into skilled jobs. His approval rating sits near 10%. Okay. Foreign debt has ballooned. Wages have stagnated. Unemployment rose. What's interesting is that this is obviously happening in Britain as well. And also, in a way, they're Cold War allies, right? because it's a stalwart against the rise of communism in Chile and stuff like that. Well, this is why, similar to Afio Hirsch, for Ronald Reagan, he's going, who the fuck am I meant to support him? Anyways, it's a civil war of capitalism, right? Now, Gautier becomes president in December 81. He's a hard-on anti-communist. He has no really political skill.

32:55He's widely known as El General Whiskey because he was heavy drinking. The Whiskey General. The Whiskey General. That's what I call myself. That's not a bad day. The kids are in bed, I put this on. I'm drinking whiskey downstairs. I'm a fucking whiskey general, man. No, I'm not coming to bed. I'm doing my pretending for a bit. I'm a whiskey general. Got these medals. Yeah, stolen valor of my house. Imagine being arrested for wearing medals, drinking a whiskey by yourself. Just live streaming, saying you fought in the forklets. Now, accounts from officers said that he would hold key meetings in the evening after several glasses of scotch, slurring, not as I would do, rambling.

33:31I work best at night. Yeah. Yeah. Slurring a speech, not just saying slurs. US diplomats reported difficulty in late night discussions because he often became loud, overconfident and erratic. Yeah, Spanish. He's Argentinian. Yeah. Now, he believes that a swift surgical strike on the Falklands, or as he would call them, would be a symbolic victory that would unite the public. they would point to national unity and they would recharge the Hunters regime like a well-timed electrode to the ball. Here we go. We're back in. We have been trying to give it away for like 100 years. So it is kind of fair.