Pickles The Dog Didn’t Kill Himself (with The Upshot!) | The History of The World Cup (Part 2/4)

0:12welcome back to fin versus history we're joined by zach and jack from the upshot podcast look at this what an honor boys to finally return the favor yes we've all been on the upshot podcast the only podcast in the world to have all three of us on oh yeah we've had charlie as well yeah yeah how was it having charlie on it was entertaining charlie's a charlie's uh an excellent guest it was nice to get charlie in front of the camera we talked about a bloke who had a spike up his ass which was very much home turf sure home fixture for charlie yeah uh this is part two of our world cup series uh you guys it's terrific podcast the upshot yeah uh it we were saying last episode it's similar to this in that you you pay a researcher and then put it in the bin and call whoever you're talking about a pedophile yeah which is um similar it's a new genre of podcast yeah yeah the heavily researched baseless pedophile accusation podcast uh but you do sports uh now we talked about the world cup uh pre-war last time we're gonna kick off post-war now uh now germany and japan uh had been banned from the 1950 world cup why they've been banned well I don't think Was it because of the Holocaust?

1:17Yes I don't think it's a long enough ban personally It was banned for one tournament One tournament Would it not have been better to get force them to come and then like destroy them because presumably What have they won? Presumably Yeah I guess The problem is is that they win in 54 Yeah And the problem is is that you look at what the generation of politicians were doing before that and their racial laws and it's icky isn't it in the post Yeah That they win What are you saying as an amateur? As an amateur eugenicist I'm saying I'm saying it's an icky result for the post-war consensus not icky for you no I'm I'm trying it's proven everything you've said it's a culmination of my theories for the average Joe it might be icky yes for the for the weak lily-livered average Joe the fact that Germany won in 54 having pursued a 20-year policy of racial sterilization it was sort of the antidote to 1936 Olympics right because that was that was the one where they they were basically trying to prove it prove that eugenics was right and then they got proven wrong and so saying antidote I like that because it's like saying 1936 was an aberration a blip that was a blip and now we're back on track 1936 was a tragedy 1954 everything clicked at the place so how long was the ban?

2:31six matches genuinely it seems that so there's not a tournament for so end of World War 2 45 there's then the next tournament is 1950 in Brazil which we'll deal with shortly uh but that yeah germany and japan are banned for one world cup cycle for committing the holocaust yeah it doesn't feel like enough well i think they should play but they should have some sort of disability either they do it in blindfolds yes they do it dead or like like i don't know or they have it like it's a three-legged race thing like they have to be in potato sacks or they have to do it with less players and they play against israel israel win 20 nil like that could be like a nice bit of closure.

3:10Right now Russia's banned, right? Is it? I think Russia are banned from the World Cup. Well, that's a disgrace. I think it's been like, now it's been a few tournaments that Russia's been out for. Can you just Google how many tournaments Russia have been banned for currently? Because they have not committed the Holocaust. They're just protecting their border. Putin's just protecting his national security. It's a special operation. It's a western border. There's a special operation on his western border. It's just a special operation. It's a police managing situation on this western border so hang on FIFA and UEFA have lifted their ban on Russian under 17 teams I guess it's not their fault no the youth you can't blame the youth my problem is if you ban if you ban a country for one world cup for committing the holocaust then what does a ban mean anymore there's also that's like the naughtiest thing you can do that's the naughtiest thing you can do but how long a ban would you give them then well I don't know a generation you wouldn't have banned them hey you wouldn't have banned them I would have made them hold the tournament in the camps.

4:12Right? Yeah. But also like Mudrick, you know, Mikhailo Mudrick, the Chelsea player, he's just got a four-year ban for potentially doping. But I mean, it's not even entirely That's a Holocaust-length ban. Exactly. What does it mean anymore? I don't actually know what Mudrick gets up to in his spare time, so maybe they know more than we do. He's banned from Fortnite as well, isn't he? Or Counter-Strike. He got banned from Counter-Strike. Was he doping, playing that? Quite possibly, yeah. Those finger muscles never look stronger. So Germany and Japan are banned from 1950, but in 1954, they're back into the fold.

4:50Yeah. But this is West Germany. West Germany. It's a different Germany. Yes, that is true. It's jeans Germany, not cabbage Germany. It's supposed to cabbage Germany. Yeah, sorry. It's jeans versus cabbage. Ultimately, it's a 40-year war and jeans win. Yeah. Just. so I suppose Berlin now is a melting pot of denim and cabbage yeah I guess that's what gives it that distinct flavour that's amazing so the miracle of the burn Switzerland 1954 now this is the the era of the Hungarian team supposedly the greatest the mighty Magyars is that Pushkas then? this is Pushkas right and again this is the 50 this is 50s football so you know total football means passing sideways yeah so for us now it's still like shit yeah two at the back isn't it though is it yeah it's like almost no defenders they're basically wearing ski boots down the wing that's sort of the thing right 54 there was in the in the semi-final one of the it was Uruguay against Hungary and one of the Uruguay players scored a goal and then had a heart attack when he was celebrating and they like they resuscitated him sent him back on and he scored again I mean that's what that's a great celebration that's a real man I mean that's an amazing celebration to die yeah exactly That's incredible.

6:05Now it's FIFA now. Now it's fucking Italians diving at someone brushing past you. He had a heart attack. Christian Eriksen looking quite... Exactly. Get back out there. Get on with it, son. Mwamba, lazy. Always said he's lazy. He never even came back. He never even played again. Yeah, also Mwamba. I'm sorry to slag off Mwamba, but he wasn't the best player. I think he probably was using that as an excuse to end his career. Yeah. So like when you... I want to attack... Fabrice Maramba has not had enough shit. No, he's had it coming for a while actually. Fabrice Maramba. I'm sick of Fabrice Maramba.

6:39He's launched a charity cooking sauce. Does this man have no shame? Okay. You know when you got fouled at school? Or no, rather you made a fuck up and you misplaced pass. You went, ah, and you went down. You're saying that's what Fabrice Maramba did? I'm saying that when he came to, he was like, I might as well end it here because I don't actually have a lot left in my career. Was he playing for Bolton? He was. it was sort of the ball went down the next couple of years styles were changing the play were changing you know Pepcoil is it's a lot of passing football probably not going to be able to keep up oh that really hurts alright Fabrice do me a favour get up mate come on yeah the ultimate dive Fabrice Moramba yeah so just so the Knights didn't get enough for the holocaust and they were like Fabrice that's the real villain Fabrice Moramba should have been banned for life after that that's two tournaments two tournament

7:32so uh yeah now the mag the maguars the there's the f what we'll realize as we go through is that there's every world cup has a team that's never won it that's like the greatest team that ever won the world cup this is probably the first iteration okay it's the hungarians in the 50s they're the first team to beat england at in england right uh six nil at wembley but this is the big change because we don't we think it's embarrassing that other people are playing football and you're like you're taking it too seriously it's a game for amateurs they're taking professionally and we think we're better than everyone right until they come and absolutely spank us yes that was the six nil was it yeah yeah yeah it's basically that's sort of the way it goes with all of our sports every cricket football we can't the french will make a federation yeah like that's gay we're not joining that you ruined it yeah so uh and they batter us then you You have a guy called Fritz Walter, who is the captain of the German team, West German team.

8:27And he... Not Joseph Fritzel. Not Joseph Fritzel. Thank you, Charlie. Not Joseph Fritzel. It's an easy mistake to make. Well, he's cut from the same cloth. Yes. He had contracted malaria during World War II, which means that he's more comfortable playing in the rain. And also... Hey? Why? I don't know. Why are you asking me? I don't know. A decade later, he still understands. This is what the research says. Is that cooling the fever? Don't ask me to explain why malaria makes you better in the rain. Okay. Because actually it doesn't make sense. I don't really know what malaria does. Because there's not a lot of Southeast Asians playing football in Scotland.

9:07Yes. Yeah. You destroyed that with truth and logic. Charlie, malaria can make you thirsty. Thank you, Charlie. Where would we be without you? Oh, so you mean it's the hydration? Right. Anyway. Cheryl Cole had malaria. that's one thing I know Cheryl Cole had malaria yeah do you not know about this how do you not know I'm a straight man with a mortgage I'm not keeping up with Cheryl Cole's diseases not Cheryl Cole's favourite food Charlie it's irrelevant no come on listen it's also the first tournament Sunday roast dinner it's also the first dinner first dinner it's also the first tournament where Adidas have made boots for the Germans now Adi naughty Adi's the naughty one I believe can we just double check that Adolf is so Adolf Dassler was a Nazi party member, card-carrying Nazi, fell out with his brother, Rudolf, who went to make Puma because Rudolf was a traitor.

10:00And so they rightly cut contact with him and cut skies. He's a communist. Yeah, exactly. Straight to coldest. And then Adidas, you know, again, the West Germans are like, well, let's pick the Nazi one. They made longer studs for the German team so they could play better in the rain. This is all called the miracle of the burn. Okay. So you cheated. The longer starts. Yeah, of course. This episode of Finversus History is brought to you by our dear friends at Surfshark. Now, I've been trying to protect myself online. I've been putting condoms over my laptop. I've been mashing up contraceptive pills and putting it in the HDMI port.

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13:48Launching on Friday the 4th of September, you can find Buried Evidence wherever you watch or listen to your podcasts. Subscribe at thecrimedesk.com and get episodes a week before anyone else. And so they beat Hungary in the final. Hungary had wiped everyone. I think Hungary had beaten West Germany 8-3 earlier in the tournament. Then they beat them in the final. And this is the beginning of the Germans just sort of being this ultimate killjoy. of the kind of pure footballing countries, which we'll see. Because the way they organize and just steamroll countries. They're an organized nation. Why is that?

14:22Well, let's look 10 years previously. Well, that energy has to go somewhere. The energy has to go somewhere. Longest starts doesn't seem like a particularly massive innovation. No one had thought of that before. Yeah, but someone only invented passing sideways like two years earlier. Like this is like tri-anary. They were wearing hiking shoes before this. you know that record score 36-0 in Scotland and one of the teams stand up in suits three-piece suits and just smart shoes amazing 36-0 who won who won the team in football wasn't it in the I don't know maybe he talks about this in the last episode but the 1930 World Cup where the Bolivians or something played in berets really I didn't know that yeah and I think the refs had suits and ties as well yeah is this the one where India are invited to play but they're not allowed to play barefoot so they they don't come yeah but isn't yeah yeah also also their chef wasn't allowed to cook meals with their feet either so they were like well i will not i can't come then that's the 1950s i don't think anyone even asked india they just said oh you'll probably want to be barefoot don't bother coming yeah so anyway so the now this is also the first time 1954 that the german national anthem is played publicly Cindy was it new the new one uh yeah but i bet the old instincts kicked in and then the press when they win the press go mental like not even just the daily mail like in denmark they were like oh well the only thing that was missing was zeke hiles at the trophy being lifted everyone's furious right yeah it's embarrassing it is embarrassing yeah because it's a repudiation against the united nations and the end of eugenics right and so no one knows what to make of it yeah so did they so it's a brand new or do they just change the lyrics i think it's just they missed out a few words yeah because there's a pretty dodgy and also this is where they talk about the führer principle as well there's a there's the the coach talks about like when he's coaching them talks about basically says do it for the führer well yeah that's pretty that's well that's the leader prince but does he mean furos in hitler or the idea of the leader like the manager yeah this is the defense that he makes he goes no i just meant fewer in a general sense and we're like guys it's 1954 yeah the royal führer it's 1954 you know hitler still cast a long shadow yeah um but mainly hitler's still a young man in argentina at this point of course yeah he's nailing catinga on the beach um but mainly uh mainly when you talk about brazil that's what this sort of story is also as we're going through i guess the the thing that's becoming clear is every world cup is controversial every world cup is corrupt yes and if we're trying we're trying to find any world cup that is not deeply political yeah 1954 failed fails deeply failed It's the rehabilitation of the Holocaust.

17:07And they call that the miracle of the burn, which is an awful name. So let's talk about Pele. Have you guys done Pele on the upshot? We've done him in bits. Why have you got a naked fucker? Look at his Hulk. Yeah, he's a big shag. That's him and Franz Beckenbauer, apparently. Do they all just shower together, the different teams after the game? That's nice. So that's Pele's cock. Well, if you're listening, Charlie's just found a photo of Beckenbauer and Pele in the shower. And this is Bellini as well. Who's that? Look at that rug. That's a 50s rug. That's Pele and Bellini. Okay. Who's Bellini?

17:42Don't know. Right, it's just a leggy guy. You know about Bellini. I do now. What I will say, if you go back to the first photo, what I will say is that Pele's got a nice hog. Beckenbauer is thick. Wait, wait, where's his thing? That's his arm. That's his arm, isn't it? Hey? Where are you seeing his thing? No, I'm saying like his bum and his waist. He's like a lady. He's juicy. He's got a juicy light. I'm attracted to Beckenbauer's ass. That's the Kaiser. He's like a Renaissance dude. He's got similar size thighs to me. Yes, all right. People always criticize me for my Amazonian thighs. Melon crushes.

18:24There are lots of gay men in the comments asking me, asking to be suffocated by my thighs. There are no women. We've said this before. But now you can understand. Now we're seeing back and back. I think this is something that's changed from football then to now. I can't imagine Cole Palmer stripping off in the shower. I think he's going to be quite prudish. But his knob has like a mouth breather. I think it's the wrong way around. I think he's a mouth breather, but his knob is one of the most articulate philosophers of this generation. Right. So you want it the other way around. All the brain's gone to his cock.

18:59Let's see what Pele did with that knob. Can we get his quote about sex? What did you guys find out when you did... On your podcast, you do deep dives on sporting figures. Yeah. So Pele, nonce, obviously. Nonce? Well, borderline nonce. 41 with a 17-year-old girlfriend. We don't talk about that sort of stuff on this podcast. That's not nonce. No, that's not fair. It's cricket. That's cricket. Wait, 14, 14. 17. 41 for 17. 41 for 17. That's a Jerry Seinfeld stuff. Devastating bowling figures. 17 for 41. Yeah, decent. And face of Viagra. Yes, we know that. And he's got the Boris Johnson thing. He won't, I mean, he's dead now, but he wouldn't say how many kids he has.

19:35Yeah, but it's important to keep your cards close to your chest. It gives you a lot of power. Yes, it does. If no one knows how many kids you have, I think that gives you a very strong hand because no one knows when one of your kids might come out of the woodwork. There was one a few years ago, this woman, it was after Pele died. She popped up and was like, yeah, my mom shagged Pele back in the 70s or something. She was trying to get him dug up. Oh my God. Dug up, dug up. It was an amazing headline. Go exhumed Pele. Exhumed Pele daily mirror headline. It's a tabloid. It's one of the funniest headlines where they were basically started a petition to exhumed Pele to prove that...

20:14Do you have it up? He's been alive. He lived till like 86 or something like that. And it's like, you could have approached him earlier. So dig up Pele. Dig up Pele headline. A woman claiming to be Pele's secret daughter wants the football legend. Woman claimed to be Pelé's secret daughter once football legend dug up for paternity tests. Don't think it got many signatures, the old petition. Yeah, it's just, the way they phrased this headline, there's just something so funny about, like, a riot to it. Let's exhume Pelé. Hashtag exhume Pelé. Dig him up. Is there a picture of her? There is a resemblance, I would say.

20:48But, I mean, he was the face of Viagra. So, you know, get in line. There's going to be a lot of love children. The thing is, though, if you're the face of Viagra, you are going to be you are going to be tarred with nonce accusations you just are especially if you've got a 17 year old girlfriend well look that's by the by that's irrelevant age is just a number yeah it'd be hard to be the face of Viagra without people throwing that sort of stuff at you you would be like the purist man does this work fucking right I've got a 17 year old girlfriend if you're an ambassador for the brand you know then you have to live your life by the brand's values and the value of Viagra is it doesn't matter that I'm fucking 50 I've got a fucking 16 year old girlfriend Fuck stuff.

21:24Is his numbers, does that water down his noncery? For example, if you'd only, if he was 50. Does the scale of Savile's crimes water each one down? Savile was sort of exclusively going for 10. Give it a less love, there's fucking hundreds of you. Is this a sort of like one death is a tragedy? Yeah, it is. A million deaths. A million kids are just a statistic. If you're shagging, if you're putting those numbers up, a 17 year old's down to get fucked. Do you know what I mean? Bound, not down. And as a percentage, it's right. I'm saying that he's shagging left, right and centre. He's probably shagging grannies as well.

22:03So it just, does that, that mean, if you'd only ever shagged, if you're a 50 year old who'd only ever shagged a 17 year old, that's it. That's a nod. If you shagged every moving thing and one of them happens to be 17, that must take away from it. Well, it's collateral damage. Yeah, exactly. Right, so Pele is born in 1940. He's named after Thomas Edison, which makes no sense. Bizarre. it's like Lionel Messi named after Lionel Richie yeah is he actually and Ronaldo's Ronald Reagan genuinely Cristiano yeah Cristiano you know this thing of Brazilian names there's basically two categories there's the sexy Brazilian Roberto Carlos's and then there's like Fred Ian Graham what's going on there why is Fred called Fred good question I think it's just it's just nicknames isn't it yeah it's all nicknames because a lot of them they're also there's a Brazilian player called Mahatma Gandhi as well there's Osama Bin Laden there's a Peruvian a Peruvian player he plays now he's like 20 Osama Bin Laden it's not with a V Spanish V and his brother's called Saddam Hussein no?

23:05are you joking? no I'm serious his dad can we get these shirts? I need a Bin Laden shirt yeah he plays for a team of Bruin has he ever scored two goals because I want to hear the commentary when the second one goes oh it's another that's when you knew he meant it that's when you knew his dad Osama Bin Laden I need to see the back of his shirt because I need that for Christmas. And his brother Saddam Hussein. His brother Saddam Hussein. They had a... This is like when we do like fucking terrorist 11. These are genuinely my... These are my suggestions when my wife was pregnant. For a while. Osama Bin Laden.

23:41Osama Fin Laden. The dad said he wanted to call their next kid George Bush. There was a girl. Why not George Bush? I think just go George Bush. George Bush. What was George Bush's wife? Barbara. Barbara. Barbara Bush. That's his mum. And then so caca means poo. And shit, yeah. Does it? Yeah. Actually. In a lot of languages it does. I don't know if him... Right. I'm cacking it. Yeah. Yeah. But there's Hulk, the footballer. His son is just called Ian. It's sort of like getting your stag do name on the back. Yeah. It is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's how Brazilians do it. But it's a very sexual country.

24:18Small cock. Yeah. It's like, it's crazy just having... At the airport, that's your name for life now. Yeah, Fanny Magnet. Yeah, that's your name. Phil Lardin. Yeah, naming a Brazilian is basically an airport T-shirt spot. So Pele is born, his actual full name, there's too many names, it doesn't matter. Anyway, Pele is because his nickname was Bile, and then he was a bit deaf when he was younger or whatever. That's Borat's brother, isn't it, Bile? Is that Bilo? Oh, it's Bilal. It's kind of really dull and strange. story it's kind of a boring story of why he's called pele it doesn't really yeah who cares someone called him belay and they said it wrong yeah it's called pele but he grew up very poor and he basically started playing football with the grapefruit in an alleyway and if you know what i mean he was barefoot uh you know blah blah blah and then he so in 1950 the first world cup which germany and japan are banned for it's in brazil and so brazil haven't come on to the global stage yet uruguay's shown up argentina's become a bit of a force but brazil untouched by war i guess yes starting to show that but they haven't won anything and there's the idea of brazil as this great nation is not there's also there's a historian of brazil who says that you know it's the fifth largest country in the world but there's there's no real and i disagree with this i think bossa nova's a vibe but he says there's no real like intellectual philosophical cultural sort of export until football yeah that is their kind of when did Boston start the 60s 50s 60s I suppose it's about the same ball and bunda and a bit of barbecue actually food ball bunda and barbecue yeah Brazil that's Brazil do we know how football came to Brazil uh do you know Britain I don't know it's Britain is it is it yeah is it Brazil and Argentina are all their soft empire in the 19th century yeah that's why Argentina have got they're really into rugby be in polo they have like country clubs and you know all the trains i think brazil's first international match is against exter city yes all english players yeah not replay it or something they replayed it like on a hundred year anniversary or something so anyway so brazil are playing in white at this point in 1950 uh and they're eager to show their football culture this is i guess this is before maybe the sort of samba caricature sure maybe uh pele's a young boy uh and he remembers how he remembers this tragedy of the final where brazil who are the favorites they lose to is it uruguay again they lose to uruguay at the maracana which is the big stadium yeah and uh they describe this loss as brazil's hiroshima and bear in mind this is this is so recent four and a half years after i mean we do say everything's 9 11 but yeah this this literally is i don't yeah i I don't think you can call it...

27:09I mean, it's a country that clearly hasn't been touched by World War II. Yeah, if you're calling that Hiroshima. And this was... They allowed Japan back for this World Cup and then called it Hiroshima. Wait, which one was it? This is the one after. But there were 200 ,000 people watching, which... What's the death toll at Hiroshima? Does that mean when Brazil lost... 200 ,000 tears. ...7-1 to Germany, that was Nagasaki? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An estimated 140 ,000 people died. So similar. To be fair, yeah. Their dreams were vaporized. He's got a good understanding of scale. Yes. yes it's a comment on scale really rather than anything else um pele said it was the first time he saw his father cry and he comforted his father by promising that he would win the world cup himself now obviously at this point pele's what fucking 12 yeah so his dad's like just fuck off would you that's bollocks yeah but he turns professional uh at age 16 or something like that and he gets recruited into the national team the psychological trauma from the from hiroshima from the brazilian hiroshima uh is known as the maracanazo yeah and uh there's a thing called the mongrel complex which uh is the second volume of my uh book coming out um this is all this is apparently about because brazilians are uh their psychology is quite it's a strange one because it's such a melting pot yeah it's the most diverse country in the world probably yes the most like truly blended bundes is the greatest range in bunda size yes what because you've got you've got this sort of portuguese white sort of straight down oscar let's get oscar's ass oscar's ass let's have a look at oscar's ass and then you've got you know you've got ronaldino's yeah you've got well you've got amazon yeah and you've got the greatest bundes in the world it's the most famous bundes in the world really the most famous but the most bonga bonga a ball bundas in the world.

28:54If you're going to bonger a bunda, you're samboring a bunda. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's where it came from. Exactly. You go to Venice to watch See the Art. You go to Southeast Asia for sex. Did you get Oscar's arse up, Charlie? No, I've got Ronaldinho with loads of arse. Yeah. Famous pick. When I actually ask for an arse, he won't give it to me. No, no. But he'll be constantly showing me other people's arse. Yeah, it's a European arse. Yeah, look at me. There's absolutely nothing going on there. Straight down. Straight. Yeah. Yeah, so you've got a real blend. And I imagine culturally, it's like, who are we?

29:26We've got some of those bongo-able bundes in the world. And some of the least. But then that's how you play the vibraphone, is you need a different, you know, the bongos have different... Oh, you're saying that? Well, that's maybe a call for like a rainbow society, right? Yes, a rainbow nation. You know, if it's, you know, Japan, that's just one note. If you're hitting Japan's ass, it's pretty much an ethno state in a way. You're hitting just... You're not making beautiful music. There's no timbre to a Japanese ass. brazil yeah yeah exactly

29:59there's a farty one at the end that was franz becker bar there's a big there's a big how do you get near franz you're not brazilian get out but the mongrel complex is coined by nelson rodriguez who refers to the 1950 loss and sort of psychological um issue they have with it by basically because they're mixed race heritage and at this point you know it's just our it's still we're still in the kind of really haven't been united as a country no it's still so early it's not really clear what the country is exactly and there's so many different it's got i think it's the biggest african population outside of africa is that right yeah in brazil uh and they sort of still believe this kind of psychological shadow of lack of discipline and all those kind of stereotypes that by here we go by mongrel complex i mean the inferiority in which brazilians place themselves voluntarily when they compare themselves to the rest of the world, Brazilians are the backward narcissist who spits in his own image.

30:53Is this you or the... Sorry, that's not my words. Not my words. But do you think this is also because they've had all the Nazis come over from Europe after the war? Did Brazil get a lot of them? Yeah, Argentina welcomed them. Welcomed them. And I think some of them went to Brazil for the... Mengele went to Brazil to experiment in Bundesizes. Yeah, of course. Now Mengele will come into the story in the next part. Surprisingly. The one who got away. The one who... The love of my life. Joseph Mengele. Starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times. Your to-do list may feel endless with new tasks, and lists can easily begin to overrun your life.

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34:10This is Sweden and this is Pele's first World Cup. He's 17. When we did the Grincher episode, right? Yeah, so we did Grincher with you, Horatio, who famously lost his virginity to a goat. Yeah. Catholic country. Catholic country. Which apparently in the book about Grincher, the guy says... Sorry, this is my uncle. Everyone knows it. Catholic country. That doesn't happen in Germany. Apparently 99 % of rural teenagers in Brazil lost their virginity to a goat. How many? In the 30s and 40s. 99, according to the book by... Who's collecting that poll? Rui Castro, the author, I think. It's in the census, I think.