In short
The Counter-Reformation and the religious wars that follow Protestant challenges to Catholic authority, focusing on the Council of Trent, the Roman/Spanish Inquisition, persecution in Spain, and the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre in France, ending with the Edict of Nantes and the shift toward state tolerance.
Guests
Ryan Reynolds (ad voiceover for Mint Mobile); Bill Simmons (host/participant). Main historical “guest” figures discussed: Martin Luther, John Calvin, Pope/Counter-Reformation leadership, Charles V, Galileo, Gaspard de Coligny, Henry IV, and the French monarchy (Charles IX).
Key claims
The Council of Trent (18 years) “doubled down” on Catholic doctrine (real presence in communion, seven sacraments, Bible Latin priority) and used Jesuits and the Inquisition to suppress Protestantism. Spain’s Inquisition targeted Protestants (book bans, trials, executions). In France, the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre was a coordinated trap after Coligny’s shooting, killing thousands in Paris and triggering wider reprisals. Henry IV’s Edict of Nantes (1598) legalized limited Protestant worship as a pragmatic move toward national unity.
Notable examples
Galileo’s telescope discoveries leading to torture/house arrest; Gonsalvo of Mallorca executed in 1523; San Benito “sack” penalties; Coligny shot from a window; ~10,000 Huguenots killed in Paris; ~200,000 flee France.
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Chapters
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0:00 to 0:29
An overview of the Counter-Reformation and its implications.
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Introduction to the Counter-Reformation
1:43 to 3:30
An overview of the Counter-Reformation and its implications.
“four it's a very sad episode very very tragic stuff this yeah um this we've the empire strikes back.”
The Council of Trent
3:30 to 4:52
Discuss the significance of the Council of Trent and its decisions.
“that they're losing the grip on the Holy Roman Empire.”
Counter-Reformation Measures
4:52 to 6:24
Explore the measures taken by the Catholic Church during the Counter-Reformation.
“But they also found the Jesuits, the shock troops of the Counter-Reformation.”
The Roman Inquisition Begins
6:24 to 7:45
Learn about the inception of the Roman Inquisition and its implications.
“These are mass missionaries who they basically go and spread the gospel of sin to try and break up the Protestant states.”
Charles V and Protestantism
7:45 to 10:00
Examine the role of Charles V in the countering of Protestantism in Europe.
“That's, right, so he's like, we're looking at a photo of Charles V.”
Galileo and the Catholic Church
10:00 to 14:00
Discuss Galileo's findings and the church's reaction to his heliocentric theories.
“Um, uh, yeah, I - So Galileo didn't invent the telescope but he made significant improvements 30 times by magnification.”
The Moons of Jupiter and Biblical Contradictions
14:00 to 14:30
Discusses Galileo's findings and their implications on Biblical interpretations.
Galileo's Torture and Psychological Pressure
14:30 to 15:11
Explores the methods used to torture Galileo and the psychological aspect of his recantation.
“But again, this is a 2000 year old book.”
The Spanish Inquisition's Tactics
15:11 to 15:46
Examines the Spanish Inquisition's methods and its impact on Protestants.
“He was shown the instruments of torture to intimidate him into a country.”
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Protestants and Their Struggles in Spain
15:46 to 16:33
Looks at the plight of Protestants in Spain during the Inquisition and their unique struggles.
“however once the Protestants come into it they start to clamp down they use the same tactics on these poor, innocent, you know, hardworking trolls.”
Banning Books and Cultural Control
16:33 to 17:51
Discusses the Catholic Church's banning of books and its cultural implications.
“So, yes, you're right to think that Benidormus Protestant in Spain because the Spanish Inquisition labelled drunken mockery as Lutheran.”
Humorous Takes on Kids' Books
17:51 to 19:25
A light-hearted banter about children's books and the challenges of reading them.
“Why I'm no longer talking to white people about race.”
Protests Against Literature and Historical Punishments
19:25 to 21:05
Reflects on the historical punishments for Protestantism and the first martyr.
“My mate honestly lived with Pepper Pig in Berlin, the person who voiced Pepper.”
Life under the Spanish Inquisition
21:05 to 22:20
Describes the restrictions and humiliations imposed on Protestants by the Inquisition.
“Now, they don't always kill the Protestants.”
Exile, Penance, and the San Benito
22:20 to 23:45
Explains the concept of penance and the garments Protestants were forced to wear.
“You see a circle, you read it, you talk about each chapter and how it made you feel.”
A Personal Story of Love and Persistence
23:45 to 26:08
Shares a humorous personal story of persistence in love over a decade.
“I was like, slowly, year by year, we will progress through the song.”
Conversations on Life, Crying, and Emotions
26:08 to 28:03
Engages in a comedic dialogue about emotions and societal expectations around crying.
“uneasy piece listen now we've had kids there's there's something brewing yeah and i think maybe the deal that she's got will eventually lead to chaos.”
Protestantism and Cultural Dynamics
28:03 to 29:19
Explore the cultural interplay between Protestantism and various global regions.
“And so, you know, these Protestant men, look, they're wearing their tabard, their sort of, their Jewish stars of the 16th century, but they're dealing with it.”
Protestantism in Japan and Suicide Culture
29:20 to 31:05
Discuss how Protestantism interacts with Japanese culture and views on suicide.
“because I feel because Christianity was brought by European missionaries from Northern Europe, a lot of it, most of Africa is Protestant, right?”
The Dutch Golden Age and Calvinism
31:06 to 33:00
Understand the conflict between Spain and the Dutch Calvinists during the Golden Age.
“So there's a big war with the Dutch, the Spain, Charles V, because the Dutch are Calvinist at this point in the early 1600s.”
The Huguenots and their Legacy
33:01 to 36:11
Learn about the Huguenots, their impact on France and the concept of refugees.
“It's interesting though because he gets a lot of hate because he's a fat guy.”
St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre
37:22 to 42:00
Delve into the events of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre and its implications.
“Now, we need to talk about the Huguenots.”
The St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre
42:00 to 43:10
Learn about the violent persecution of Huguenots in Paris and its aftermath.
Cultural Reflections on Violence
43:10 to 45:04
Discussion on the cultural and historical significance of violence in Paris.
“in 20 years when you finally accepted your sexuality this is when you've you've said I've been living a lie.”
The Impact of Huguenot Migration
45:04 to 49:06
Exploration of Huguenot descendants and their contributions to society.
“There's lots of different ways to fucking skin a chicken, isn't there?”
The Edict of Nantes and Religious Tolerance
49:06 to 51:05
Analysis of the Edict of Nantes and its implications for religious coexistence.
“And he issues the Edict of Nantes, not the Edict of Nantes.”
The 30 Years' War Overview
51:05 to 52:38
An overview of the 30 Years' War and its significance in European history.
“There's a Swedish phase, a Danish phase.”
What Was the Reformation?
52:38 to 56:01
Discussion on the Reformation's origins and its impact on Christianity.
“I feel like we've quite comprehensively dealt with over four hours yeah what do you think happened?”
Discussion on Amish and Patreon Content
56:01 to 57:34
Exploration of upcoming content about the Amish and the JFK Assassination special.
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Discussion on Amish and Patreon Content
58:15 to 58:33
Exploration of upcoming content about the Amish and the JFK Assassination special.
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Transcript
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1:42welcome back to finvers history i'm with eratio gould this is the counter reformation it's part four it's a very sad episode very very tragic stuff this yeah um this we've the empire strikes back. The Protestant Holocaust. The Protestant Holocaust. Numbers that you believe. I completely believe. Why would you doubt these numbers? And they're staggering. You'd write a denial of the denial if you heard someone deny this. I would like to open a debate. The Holocaust. The Holocaust denies. To summarise events, the filthy, disgusting, rotten Catholic Church had been bravely... To put it mildly. And I had been bravely challenged by martin luther and my own personal hero john calvin yeah but by the 1540s the catholic church have it's 5 a.m it's a kitchen it's an afters everyone's on pingers everyone's on coke and martin luther's opened the curtains and he's covered in poo yeah yeah he was right streaming in and it's just the birds are tweeting and now it's like right we've got to stop all this nonsense stop chatting shit yeah what you go to bed yes yes go to fucking bed i genuinely it's like when i went to charlie's 30th i felt like martin luther in this rotten you know indulgent all charlie's friends you know i that they're all trans and they have no eyebrows finn has been quite confused because so many charlie's friends have no eyebrows i'm just confused i don't know what they're thinking you don't know if it's an alopecia thing you don't know if it's a political statement could be a political statement you don't know if they're on looney tunes and they've tried to deactivate a bomb and it's exploded their eyebrows i don't what they think.
3:25Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so the Catholic Church start to notice that they're losing the grip on the Holy Roman Empire. And so, they initiate the Council of Trent. Trent Alexander-Arnold. Ladies, calm yourselves. Okay. There are episodes where we talk about engineering issues. And again, you know, in the Chernobyl series, we talked about nuclear fission. Many ladies left the house during that without spare pants and their days were ruined. I'm giving you a chance now. It caused them engineering issues. They had their own engineering issues. They had their own fishing problems. I'm warning you now that when we get into the Council of Trent, similar issues will occur.
4:07Yeah. Okay? This is not stuff to be taken lightly. Now, the Council of Trent is an 18-year... Council? ...theological meeting. Right. Okay? An 18-year-long meeting. I guess you don't have loads to do in those days. No. No. But this is an 18-year meeting as how should we respond to Martin Luther's book. It really does go to show the upper hand the Protestants had with printing press. The Catholics had an 18-year meeting. As a result of this Council of Trent, they work out what they think in response to Luther's challenge. They say that the faith is not the only thing. It's also the church. 18 years this took that communion is actually the blood and body of Christ go back in there until you come up with a better idea it took you 18 years to just double down on the fact that actually is but that's bollocks that's absolute bollocks they say the seven sacraments are to stay in place which is now again this is a Protestant podcast so the sacraments are baptism, confirmation Eucharist, penance anointing of the sick holy orders and marriage yeah what are the protestant sacraments work sleep was it yeah yeah pray repeat yeah uh yeah eat pray love yeah except don't love yeah don't open yourself pray eat pray sleep don't feel anything clench your jaw till your face explodes ignore your wife shake your kids hands no i'm not dad i'm sir um uh they say the latin translation of the bible should be continued to be prioritized yeah and they would still have do indulgences but they were not allowed to be marketed right so they weren't allowed to be like sponsored content or like part of a brand no no paid advertising okay um they also banned uh relatives from uh being appointed to church positions and they said that bishops had to live in their diocese they didn't want a roaming like false nine bishop no they didn't want like when an mp is not actually from the area and they get parachuted in from Westminster.
6:20But they also found the Jesuits, the shock troops of the Counter-Reformation. These are mass missionaries who they basically go and spread the gospel of sin to try and break up the Protestant states. So we get to the Roman Inquisition of 1542 okay this is where the protest course begins okay um this is sort of the beginning of the wars of religion that sort of is still sort of going on now in some ways is it still going on now no and now it's now it's now it's christianity versus islam yeah i guess so is there protestant catholic i mean there's tensions in northern ireland but was that the last embers of it there's the old celtic rangers i guess is as close as it gets but that's football isn't it yeah that's a spectator sport sure you know this is a spectator sport for some people this episode will challenge how much of a spectator sport this stuff is so the Roman Inquisition these are the I mean at this point in the 16th century the Holy Roman Emperor is Spanish I think it's still Charles V get a photo of Charles V, Charlie let's have a look at this jaw it's this guy he basically Spain is like a rogue state and he sends his sort of spies across the empire to fuck me.
7:45That's, right, so he's like, we're looking at a photo of Charles V. What's the noise that you think when you hear that? I don't know. I think it's like, excuse me. Is there any experience in life that would cause you to make that face? Could you ever see yourself making an expression like that? I think that's what Finn's face was when he came to your 30th. wear your eyebrows wear your eyebrows are you trans I've been meeting someone with different eyebrows
8:18what are you thinking are you pissed off at me I can't tell and what gender are you either I don't need to know but if I'm attracted to you and you're a bloke I need to know if I'm gay that's what I need to know that's the thing about gender neutral I know it doesn't matter you did panic and go around asking everyone if you're gay which is a weird am I gay are you no it's when people say they're gender neutral it's like that i know you don't care but if i'm attracted to you what does it mean for me so are you saying only ugly people should be gender neutral i'm saying there's a there's a level of ugliness where it doesn't matter you know but if you're hot you should be gender neutral because it implies a lot for other people you can be gentle you can say you're gender neutral but i need to know it's like the italian it's there's that brilliant uh who's that comic italian comic who's got that bit about it No, Filippo.
9:06So this reel where it's guys like, in Italy, if you're gender neutral, we say le gender neutral if you're a bloke or lach neutral if you're a woman. Because in romance languages, you can't actually, everything has to be gendered. So yes, I suppose that's how I look at Charlie's. What are you actually? I need to know if I'm gay or not. Yeah, so he's, at this point in history, Spain is a rogue state. It's basically 16th century Israel in that it's causing chaos in violation of international law. Okay? Right. Charles V, that guy, has got a network of spies who he's sending out to quell Protestantism, the good guys.
9:51Right. Okay? So it's like he's got their own IDF. Mothad. Yeah. Mothad. Yeah. And he's sending Mothad all over the Holy Roman Empire to quell Protestants. so one of the most famous examples of this is Galileo in Italy who now he builds a telescope when was Galileo this is in the sort of early 17th century okay right right right he builds this telescope yeah and he sees the moon like in more and now this is not high definition no this would be like he sees it in fucking 360 yeah rather than dangerous if we start talking about science again yeah yes sorry we'll be very careful this is 17th century science i think we have to back ourselves that we can we can you know it's a telescope and he can see the moon clearer than anyone else has right and so he sees did he make the telescope why are you asking me that why are you asking me that and what was he trying to make i don't really look at the state of that telescope i don't know how telescope works i don't understand how he sees craters on the moon in the 17th century i don't understand it it was he was trying to make a quick shot launch and it was sort of like when uh they invented penicillin when they discovered penicillin right when he left an old moldy sandwich out and it molded into penicillin he was trying to make the quick shot launch masturbator and he accidentally looked through it he goes hang on a minute this has got like yeah this has got like 10 times you know that you know that sure famous tv shot of the guy that walks across and times it perfectly with like you get this and the rocket launches yeah it's that except you get this and it's just a guy going in the background.
11:25Um, uh, yeah, I - So Galileo didn't invent the telescope but he made significant improvements 30 times by magnification. He magnified it by 30 times. Do you hear that? That sound, right? That means that summer's officially here. It means that grown adults just sprint into the street for a frozen dessert shaped like a cartoon. But this summer, Mint Mobile has a better tree. Every plant, including unlimited, is$15 a month. And unlike ice cream, it won't drip down your wrist or look nothing like the picture. Does anyone have any cash? Give it a try at midmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of$45 for three months,$90 for six months, or$180 for 12 month plan required.
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12:36When it comes to my policy, Farmers gives it to me straight, so there's no surprises. It's your coverage. You should never be confused. You hear that? An insurance provider with a conscience. We're a choir, but yes, we have that too. Straightforward coverage you can literally understand. That's what you get when you have farmers. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Learn more at Farmers.com. Underwritten by Farmers Truck or Fire Insurance Exchanges or Affiliate. Products not available in every state. So he sees that the moon's got craters on it. Yeah. Which then, now I think maybe the Catholic Church, they've been operating under this thing called like the one sky theory or something it's like the one child policy sort of in that they're like the moon doesn't have i don't i don't know but the fact again everyone's very very thing is that everything result revolves around the earth galileo is a heliocentrist right so he's sort of he's nick clack he's nick clack but he thinks that this the earth revolves around the sun right and the catholics are like no that completely you fucked everything what do you mean you're mental yeah um get off the fence yeah pick a side he also sees that uh is it jupiter has moons and then so that so the moons what through his telescope again don't ask me like i fucking know i don't care i don't i'm not like our patrons will have telescopes in their bedroom right and they'll be pointing it down towards their neighbor's house to look at their daughter okay they're not looking up yeah but he finds out that if jupiter has moons that means not everything revolves around not everything revolves around the moon not everything revolves around moon slamming the door shut yeah uh i don't know what he i don't know what this i don't care all right right the point is is that what he finds in his little telescope it means that it contradicts some of the stuff in the Bible that implies that the earth was just flat.
14:32But again, this is a 2000 year old book. So they torture him. How did they torture Galileo? I think they put him on like a rack or something. It's just your personal trainer, right? He was physically, he was not physically, psychological pressure. Oh, okay. No. Listen. Well, that's, look, because the whole thing about Galileo is that he recanted all the things he said because he was tortured so much and he was like an old man. I didn't know it was just peer pressure. And he was grounded for nine years. No, but listen, this is devastatingly sad. The Catholics, you know, this is awful. In some ways, you know, you can withstand physical pain, but psychological torture.
15:03That's far worse. Far worse. Okay. Maybe it was cock and bull torture. Maybe it was piss play. We don't know. He was confined to his house. He was put under house arrest. He was shown the instruments of torture to intimidate him into a country. Look at this. Basically, Spain, Charles V, are Mossad, or maybe they're Iranian proxies. now the Spanish Inquisition had been founded in 1478 and it had been focused on enforcing Jews and Muslims to become Catholics makes sense makes sense why they'd want to do that what's this the Spanish Inquisition it is actually Charlie however once the Protestants come into it they start to clamp down they use the same tactics on these poor, innocent, you know, hardworking trolls.
16:02So you have Protestants in Valladolid and Seville. Well, they shouldn't be doing anything there, to be honest. I do think if you're Protestant in Spain... What's going on? What are you doing there? Are you on holiday? Maybe they're on holiday. In which case, this is even more tragic. But it's funny to... The Benidorm, I guess, is a Protestant outpost. Thank you. You're right. So there's like a safe zone. That's Protestant Spain. Protestant Spain is Benidorm it's Tenerife you know this makes sense yes it's fucking full English for fucking dinner yeah Irish pub Irish pub yeah this makes sense you know plastic chairs bald guys sitting there getting pink who's the famous person who's in Benidorm there's that old lady Bevo no is it Bevo went to Benidorm he had a bad time kept getting abused in the street well it's hard to be Protestant in Spain it is hard I don't know if Bevo's Protestant maybe he is He doesn't know he's Protestant, but...
16:56He swallows like a Protestant. Yeah. Fucking... No chew. You know the rules. So, yes, you're right to think that Benidormus Protestant in Spain because the Spanish Inquisition labelled drunken mockery as Lutheran. Right. And eating meat on forbidden days was heresy. Such as Fridays. You're right in that really this is a battle for the soul of Spain. Right. And we are now left with, you know, mainland Spain, or sort of original Spain. Yeah. and then these few brave outposts sure these settler states yeah yeah or Benidorm Tenerife yeah and I don't know I don't know Canary Islands yeah Canary Islands maybe Mallorca Mallorca yeah exactly they're safe for us to travel to yeah but they you know they also ban they start banning books and they have an index of all these pages that are all these titles that are forbidden what books would you like to ban um uh What books will I ban?
17:55Why I'm no longer talking to white people about race. I ban that. Right. Banned. Banned.
18:05I'd also ban. Women don't owe you pretty. Women don't owe you pretty. Yeah. Banned. Banned. I'd also, there's several books that my. I'd love to see the color of the books on the pyre that you're burning. Very colorful. Very colorful. It would be pink, poppy, like all this sort of pop feminism stuff. Yeah, exactly. White feminism, ban. Now, I'll tell you what I would actually ban is the several kids' books that I would ban. What, woke kids' books? No, no, no, not woke. Just I don't want to read them. And my kids always make me read them. What? And they're fucking boring. The Enormous Turnip. Banned.
18:40Burned. Done. Done. What's another? Oh, Bing. Bing can fuck off. What's Bing about? I don't. Bing is a cartoon of a rabbit who's a fucking wetter. Right. And he's always going. So he thinks bad lessons. Yes, yes. And he's with Flop. And he's with Flop and Amma and Sula. How do you know this? I know about Bing. Yeah. Because you don't have kids. No, this is Charlie's reading this. How do you know about that? Because he reads at night. He's famous. Yeah, well, it's a TV show that they made into books. Right, okay. But Bing can get in the bin. Right, Bing's awful. Bing's boring. Yeah. Bluey's brilliant.
19:17Bluey's good stuff. Bluey's great stuff. You can watch Bluey without kids and really enjoy it. Is Percy Pig good? Pepper. Pepper Pig's fucked. My mate lived with Pepper. What do you mean lived with Pepper Pig? My mate honestly lived with Pepper Pig in Berlin, the person who voiced Pepper. In Berlin? Pepper Pig lived in Berlin? Pepper's in Berghain. Pepper's in Berghain.
19:41He found out he was living with her, and then he kind of asked her what she did, and then it became clear that actually... And she went... She voiced Pepper Pig. And she lives in Berlin? Peppa Pig lives in Berlin, the voice of Peppa. The actual Peppa. Peppa lives in Berlin. Not Papa. Peppa, not dad. Not Poppers. Popper Pig. Peppa's doing Poppers in Berlin. Right, well, this has changed. I can no longer have that on my screen. If I know that Peppa Pig is fucking in Burgheim. How old is Peppa? Peppa is about our age, about sort of 29, 30. Is it a she? People need to know this. Peppa's lady, yeah.
20:18People need to know this. Is she sending it? She's sending it, yeah. She lives in Berlin. She's having it large. Berlin is not a Lutheran city. No. Is it? No. It's godless. Well, that's pretty... I mean, I'd ban that then. Ban that filth. Anyway, so the Catholics ban loads of books and they start to clamp down on Protestants. And there is the first Protestant man in Spain to be killed, burnt at the stake for being Protestant. a painter from Mallorca. Of course he's from Mallorca. Can't say anything these days. Mallorcanistan. Mallorca, Gonsalvo, and he never had even admitted to being a Lutheran, but he was executed in 1523.
21:03Would you change your Facebook profile picture to a faded waterfall? I stand with Gonsalvo. Yeah. Now, they don't always kill the Protestants. Right. In the Spanish Inquisition. They sentence them to penance. They have to wear a San Benito, which is a big sack. the exile finds if we have a look at what the San Benito looks like it's a big sack with yellow and red crosses and flames as decoration it sounds like sounds pretty sick not like a Hawaiian shirt I would have worn age 10 oh it's like a big dunce hat is that where we get fair enough is that where we get a big dunce hat from I mean it's kind of fire though I don't know why they've decorated it so well that might be blood it kind of goes hard no no it's not very hard so it's like a big sort of tabard with a big cross on it yeah and that means that you're you're a Protestant Yeah, I guess you'd feel pretty vulnerable.
21:51That's the equivalent of the Jews having the yellow star. So this is just devastatingly sad. I'm struggling with this episode. The fact that humanity can go to such lows. It can sink so low. They made a public show trial to rejoin the church. And they were banned from working jobs in medicine and law, and they weren't allowed to wear jewellery, ride horses, or carry weapons. What's the point of living? What's the point of being Protestant if you can't carry a weapon? so death penalties were quite rare for protestants in spain i dispute that but also now it says here that there were more people that were killed in england by mary queen of scotch than in spain it does sound like 10 people per year were variously censored for protestantism that's 10 people too many i do dispute that i think i think it was far bigger than that 15 20 people maybe maybe even 30 okay the number rose to 93 a year this is a disgrace okay where where are the memorials where's where's the pile of shoes there's not many it wouldn't be many shoes where's the pile of glasses okay you know about five pairs of glasses no they all got glasses they're working they're reading they've got to read the bible right Catholics don't have to read.
23:09Right. Right? Protestantism is about reading. It's a book club, basically. Protestantism? Yeah. Yes, it is a book club. You see a circle, you read it, you talk about each chapter and how it made you feel. Yeah, it is. You've been part of a book club. My ex-girlfriend went to a book club and happened to be there, was my now wife, because we were friends before we got together. And I was with my now wife. My now wife.
23:35so they crossed paths and at that particular book club my ex-girlfriend cried were you dating her at the time she was at the book club so she cried what are you doing at this time are you betting on is this when you're in your betting phase I'm betting on virtual cockfighting seeking cans of Polish lager betting on I'm not in a good place um but she's she cries because of because i hadn't fucking made her a good enough vegan dinner or something or something yeah or something or i've been moved to a friend i don't know take a pic uh and then and then my yeah my wife remembers that and then um this guy sounds good sounds like your friends aren't enough but this guy sounds hilarious I'd love to go to this guy no but I was mate with her already right so anyway so what she heard from your current girl from what what did your now wife she heard her side of the story and then my my now wife was like I think maybe you're the problem did part of you already have feelings for your oh I fancied it the whole time fancied it the whole time I met her when I was 18 and I was like yes did you think the book club and then basically and she was like no And my wife was like, nah, nah.
24:54Let me have a look for other options. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, anyone. Let's find anyone else. All right, no one, fine. And then she started. But I was determined. I was like a World War I general. I was like, slowly, year by year, we will progress through the song. It's the long game, yeah. It's the long game. And then she started, you know, the biological clock starts to tick. She starts getting slightly older. You know, suddenly I'm looking more and more like her last option, right? She starts throwing her friends. the lights come up at the club who's left hi she starts throwing her friends in front like human shields right and I'm batting them off
25:33batting them off that's not gonna work on me yeah fuck off love I see what you're doing there in the bin right out a window defenestrate her get her out get her out a window I threw several of her friends out the window and it made the wedding awkward because all the bridesmaids were paralysed um no anyway and then eventually uh yeah after would 12 12 10 10 years 10 years um i wore her down that's one of those beautiful stories i've heard and she signed the treaty of versailles in a railway carriage and and um yeah and uh there was a piece that was an uneasy piece uneasy piece listen now we've had kids there's there's something brewing yeah and i think maybe the deal that she's got will eventually lead to chaos.
26:19She's getting angrier. Getting angrier as it happens. She's going to move her troops into Rhineland and there's nothing you can do about it. Nothing I can do. No. But yeah, so anyway, that was the only book club I've ever been a part of. Well, you weren't a part of it. Were you there? No, I wasn't there. I was at home. Right. Not cooking dinner. Right. But then she was so picky that I could never make the dinner correctly. So I just gave up. Yeah. And I said, let's just get a takeaway. And then she fucking cried or something.
26:47she was always crying what's she up to now I don't know I don't know but I wish her well yeah but so but I'm glad I'm not there is your wife now a big crier because I yeah BB it's like three times a day but she can't expect me to react to her crying as if it's crying if it's that Reagan because she's devalued what crying is it's boy who cried wolf it definitely is girl who cried fucking girl who cried girl who cried whenever yeah no she doesn't cry much no that's good solid you gotta marry them that's a tough one you gotta marry them BB is just constant just pick your moments yes do you know what I mean well crying doesn't mean anything if you're crying at the fucking at the sunset I feel like women cry like men wank though it's sort of like clinging the pipes yes you're right for them I think I guess if you saw one of us cry I don't think it would be like it's such a serious thing to happen every three or four years and it would mean what's happened it's so devastating I don't think my wife has ever cried hanging upside down with an apple up her ass.
27:46You don't know that. Right, I don't know that. You don't know that. She's got a life that you don't know. That's funny because that implies that women are masturbating once every four years when a relative dies or something. Yeah, it's pretty serious. No, it's serious. Oh, dear. No, she's upstairs. She's masturbating. Something's gone very wrong. But crying is Catholic. And so, you know, these Protestant men, look, they're wearing their tabard, their sort of, their Jewish stars of the 16th century, but they're dealing with it. They're just cracking on, you know? because their faith strengthens them.
28:17So now Charles V, you know, 16th century Netanyahu, he has his spies everywhere and he starts to infiltrate other areas like Paris, Constantinople, London, Brussels and through their embassies, the Spanish are operating this awful network of anti-Protestant activity. and you you what's this Charlie what have you got Charlie this is a Nigerian man who is setting a world record for the longest crying by an individual let's hear what his cry sounds like African cries are great TikTok for what time I share the life do not forget the life right he he was temporarily blind for 45 minutes with headaches and a swollen face because he claimed to have cried for seven days as part of a trend of record attempts in Nigeria to cry as much as he can.
29:15Did he win? I don't know. Now, what's interesting is Protestantism in Africa because I feel because Christianity was brought by European missionaries from Northern Europe, a lot of it, most of Africa is Protestant, right? Yes. It doesn't seem to manifest itself in a particularly Protestant way. No, it comes out Catholic almost. Why are you all gay? I mean, it's Protestantism meets Africa. and it becomes Catholic. You know, because there are no condoms. Right. Loads of babies. Right. Yeah, it's funny that, isn't it? Yeah. And then, but Protestantism meets Asian and it just kind of bounces back.
29:53Yeah. It doesn't touch the sides. They send it back. It doesn't fuck off. Return to sender. Yeah, it's a squash, it's a squash court. You can't, like Asian Confucianism or whatever, whatever they're kind of. They already figured this shit out. They have, they're so ahead of all of us. Yeah. Like they're a-religious. Yeah. so like actually that's very protestant to basically be like yeah but they're not even they're not even arguing about like atheism agnosticism they're just like nah ben done next yeah we all agree they're the protestant like you know they're the beacon on the hill definitely the japan basically japan yeah you know suicide seppuku i mean yeah does it get more protestant than that you know that is interesting suicide is very much a protestant thing right yes the catholic church says that's a big no-no yeah the process like how about it Yeah, chuck yourself out a window.
30:39Yeah, if you're a burden. Yeah. Or if you have some mental health issues. Kill yourself. That's how you solve everything. Yeah, so there's a lot of respect for the Japanese approach. It's the easiest solution. If you disordered someone and apologize, kill yourself. Don't burden them with your apology. Kill yourself. Yeah, but why are you holding on to guilt? Kill yourself. Yeah, exactly. So, now let's get... So there's a big war with the Dutch, the Spain, Charles V, because the Dutch are Calvinist at this point in the early 1600s. Makes sense. It does make sense. And Spain start fighting them.
31:22I don't know who wins. It goes on for fucking ages, right? The Netherlands was part of the Holy Roman Empire and then owned by, which was also in Spain. And they fought back and became this like, very like stubborn city state. Because this is the start of the Dutch Golden Age, right? So do they defeat the Habsburgs? Basically, the Habsburgs are constantly... Amsterdam is the most Protestant city, one of the most Protestant foundations, because it's shit land, right? It's built on a marsh, and they basically constructed a canal from nothing, and they all wore the same outfits. Like that garb. I guess it's not anymore, because now it's...
31:59It's a filthy den. It's a filthy den of godless. Now, as we explained last episode, the calvin had set off this huge battle for the soul of france was france going to be a country uh where people didn't wash and spent their days picking pastry flakes out of their pubes or was it going to be an actual nation right uh we lost that one yep tragically tragically uh but it does mean that people who work have somewhere to go on holiday so it's not all bad yeah but Now, France had a fork in the road, and in the latter half of the 16th century... And they fell asleep at the wheel. There was a big battle of the so-called French Wars of Religion, and we're going to be...
32:45We haven't placed any of this. Should we place the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, which is 1572, which we'll get to. 1572, right. 1572. Let's say this is after Henry VIII. Yes. was before eating with Todd. Is he the modern day Henry VIII? Eating with Todd. Eating with Todd, yeah. So Henry VIII is just at court going. Pouring gravy on a fucking sandwich. It's interesting though because he gets a lot of hate because he's a fat guy. He's a fat guy who just sort of like eats and the juices go all over his face and he doesn't seem to care how disgusting it is. but then firstly everyone needs to everyone has a fat guy that they watch yeah you're lying if you don't have your guy everyone has a guy you might not be your guy but you've got someone you've got someone yeah it's just different tastes right so everyone's got a fat guy they watch eat okay um he uh he also i you know the first few videos i saw i thought maybe he had down syndrome right so i kind of gave him more credit i thought this is really nice and then i realized he didn't i thought i actually i do think you could eat in a better way sure a cleaner way pull yourself together well just it's it's so you know sometimes i'm in the is he not your fat guy my fat guy is um is it rate my takeaway yeah who's that guy yeah go my fat guy because todd yet it's too slick almost even though he's like it's just too like i feel like i'm being lied to this guy he sits outside a takeaway with his own set up yeah and it doesn't feel slick he just has a table and then he gets brought a shit ton of food and he just piles his way through it yeah it's not quick edited no it's just a man test cricket working his way through i'm a i'm a huge big john yeah look at this just in some of the ugliest streets in britain he's raining he's on a trestle table eating three portions of fish and chips this is my go-to fat guy so shout out rate my takeaway keep doing what you're doing now calvin starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times your to-do list may feel endless with new tasks and lists can easily begin to overrun your life so finding the right tool that not only helps you out but simplifies everything as a built-in business partner can be a game changer For millions of businesses, that tool is Shopify.
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37:51yeah you're naive you come back to me in six years and tell me queaths don't smell when I was your age I was saying queaths don't smell yeah come back to me in ten years and tell me queefs don't smell. Now, we need to talk about the Huguenots. That was my point. Calvin bequeafed some Francis Huguenots. He queefed out some Huguenots. He queefed out some Huguenots. And between 1562 and 1598, there were these French wars of religion. Yeah. Now, the Huguenots are quite interesting. They're French Protestants. I think they're very interesting. Very interesting. Contradiction in term. But then it's almost like the blend actually ends up being quite ineffective.
38:29because wherever they go, they're sort of like Jewish people. Wherever they go, they're like a small community that's incredibly effective. Like literally a minute from where I live, type in Prinslet Street, all of the, I don't know if you've been around like East London with those preserved Georgian houses. Yeah, yeah. Those are all Huguenot silk weavers. Right. Came to the area, it was a shitty area, but then basically made, brought all the silk weaving. So like these crazy streets that are completely preserved are all Huguenot houses. Do you know South Africa, the Stellenbosch winery? I do know the Stellan Bosch one.
38:58That's all set up by the Huguenots. Stellan Bosch. Yes. Now, the Huguenots were the first ever refugees. Interesting. That's where... But they weren't the first ever refugees. They were the first ever people to be called refugees, because it's a French word. I think your sort of Protestant view of the world... These are the first refugees. There has been a lot of war, a lot of displacement has happened before that. Like I said, 1517... No one ever... Every time people have been persecuted, They've just been like, well, I'm just fucked. I'll just stay here. Yes, but it was only Protestants who came up with a fucking word for it because they needed it, right?
39:34Because they actually didn't stop fucking weeping. You know, they didn't sort of sit in self-pity. They got on with it. Right. Can you let us in? Who are you? We're refugees. Oh, I see where you are now. Yes. Right. So it's a huge, it's like 30-year thing. And Calvinism had become very popular in France amongst the nobility. Right. and the Queen of Navarre became a Calvinist in 1560. I don't know who that is. She's important. Who cares? Not me. I don't care. Anyway, it sets off. The thing we need to get to is the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre. Not on St. Bartholomew's Day. I know. Is nothing sacred?
40:17This is a pivotal moment towards the end of the third religious war. There were nine. Bloody hell. It's like Fast and Furious films. In an attempt to secure the peace, a marriage was planned between the King Charles IX's sister and the Queen of Navarre's son. Now, is the Queen of Navarre some Spanish woman? Right, fine. Who cares? Who cares? So the peace agreement also saw the return of Admiral Gaspard de Coligny, who's a Huguenot, to the King's court. so they see this as a way to placate the protestants and to try and stop the war so they hold this wedding in august 1572 in paris but it's a red wedding it's a trap is it yeah you know admiral akbar is that his name is that his name is that his name i just said that i thought he is admiral
41:13anyway uh so a few days after the wedding so what they do is all the huguenot aristocracy leaders they all come to Paris to attend the festivities. Bloody hell. Right. And then a few days after the wedding, Colony, the Admiral, is shot from a window. So it's not on the wedding day. No, but a wedding goes on for like, you know, it's a festival, right? So the assassin escapes. So it's like a sort of, it's early JFK stuff, right? And the Huguenot leaders demand that the king tries to find the assassin. But many believe it's a false flag and the plot had been organized by the king. right right and so one Huguenot then threatens the king or threatens to kill someone else and the king basically like right preemptive strike lock the doors lock the city gates right let's just fucking kill them all fucking trolley dash do you remember the Aztec night yes the sad night the really sad night Noche Triste yeah the sad night I remember Noche Triste they just butcher everyone yeah that's a similar thing that happens in Paris so on the 24th of august kill squads are formed uh and and they kill coligny the duke at around 4 a.m and his body is left on the street and it's mutilated by parisians before being thrown into the seine they're probably fucking trying to make foie gras out of it probably 10 000 huguenots are killed in paris now that's the upper estimate but it's one i'm leading with i'm ignoring 2 000 look what huguenots look like like a french protestant how are they swagging it out are they just eating cheddar what's the drip saying colony's head is sent to the pope okay is that is that huguenot he's in denim cutoffs but that's the problem is it's french protestant so there's still an element there's still an element it's an element of gay but what's the come in the look that looks like me in denim cutoff that does sort of look like you it looks like an old this looks like you in 20 years when you finally accepted your sexuality this is when you've you've said I've been living a lie.
43:19All of this sort of like super straight Protestant guy it's been me projecting I'm gay. It looks exactly like an old gay silver fox fin. That's me going to Charlie's 50th. But now are you trying to fit in? Yeah, I'm trying to fit in. I've had 20 years of going to your party where I'm like, you know what, this time I'm going to try and go hi, happy birthday. yeah if you're not if you're just listening we're looking at a so this is Henry IV who is the French Huguenot who ends up I think winning the religion he is dressed I mean he looks great he looks like Peppa Pig and Berkheim doesn't he he's got little denim cut-offs he's got a little bit of he's got a camp look in his eye oh he's always wearing silk briefs actually and he's got a little cutlass Yeah, got a little sword.
44:13So anyway, they basically butcher all these Protestants in Paris. I mean, you know, I'm starting to understand why I just don't. Something there in Paris makes you feel at ease. It's, you know, it's my Auschwitz. Sure. You know? Yeah. Why is everyone laughing and drinking and having a look? Yeah, this is a site of a horrible place. It's a horrible, horrible place. The violence spreads outside of Paris. He basically sets off a train of reprisal killings. 10 ,000 dead across the country. 200 ,000 flee France. This is an interesting side note. The Tsar Ivan the Terrible sent a letter to the king expressing his horror at the violence.
44:52Yes. So you know you're doing something. If a guy called the Terrible is going, chill out. Yeah. And the Terrible was the guy who enjoyed putting people in a house and then blowing the house up. Oh, that's quite fun. It's quite fun. There's lots of different ways to fucking skin a chicken, isn't there? Yeah. Skin a fucking rabbit. it but that's quite a fun way you go in that house over there we won't do anything yeah just kidding house gone you've gone with it but all the huguenots then settling like south africa ireland yeah and they're one of the most successful they're like ugandanasians yes they are yeah who's the huguenot prissy patel right can we have a look who's the most attractive huguenot like huguenot immigrant success stories yeah pierna velli pierna velli yeah famous huguenots today.
45:35Yeah. Yeah, sure. See what happens. Nigel Farage. You joking? No way. You joking? Nigel Farage has got Huguenot ancestors. He's a European immigrant. Farage is of Huguenot origin. Yeah, that's why the fucking name Farage is called. Simon Le Bon. Fucking hell. Warren Buffett. Charlie's Theron. Nigel Farage has got Huguenot ancestry. Howard Hughes, the fucking aviator. So, but this is very... Jessica Chastain. That's very interesting, though, is that you imagine Farage living in France. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't work. He had to fight his way out. This is Farage's origin story. His ancestors fled France.
46:23Can we see Farage's Hugo links? Can you just type it in? Let's just get a bit more on it. But doesn't this make so much sense? Like, this is, you know, Protestant mass. The only thing they agree on is smoking. That's the only thing he has. His ancestry includes French Huguenots, Protestant refugees, who fled persecution in France, southern England. Crossed the channel to Kent. His great-grandfather's parents were German. I mean, his wife's German, isn't he? But isn't that amazing that it's almost like his destiny is to strike back at France. It makes a lot of sense. Makes so much sense. I mean, a therapist would have a field day with this.
46:58So the St. Bart's, I think it's the worst massacre in France. Right. So Admiral Colony, that Huguenot, thrown from a window, decapitated. He's defenestrated, decapitated, castrated, and then dragged through the streets by a mob. Depends which order. You want the decapitated to be first. Yes. Yeah, you don't want to be awake for defenestration. Yeah, or castration. I think the worst order of that is castrated, defenestrated, then decapitated. It's like Henry the Eighth's Wives. Constrated, defenestrated, decapitated. Pregnant women were disemboweled. You shouldn't be doing that. No, no thanks. Caesarean.
47:42Children participated in torturing Protestants. Apparently the River Seine ran so red with blood that Rouen, the city down the road, they all got water poisoning because they couldn't drink water. They all died of thirst because they couldn't drink the water because it was all full of Protestant blood. Damn. there was the displayed bodies, neighbours, you know, neighbours started just killing Protestants, they found them. It's very, very sad. It's the saddest thing I've ever heard in my life. It's the saddest thing on the podcast that we've dealt with so far. You know, we like to have a laugh.
48:13Some things aren't funny. Some things are not funny. Why are you laughing? I think it's important not to make light of serious things for the sake of comedy. No, we can all have a laugh, but some things are just, are just sad and affect people. No, listen, We should put a trigger warning at the start of this episode because it's a really sad one. Okay. I didn't know about this and I cried several times. Oh my God, I can imagine. Yeah. That's been really hard for you. Yeah, I did. It was hard. And you know, it's part of your lived experience as well. And I will be, we will be taking a break for the podcast while I go on my pilgrimage to Huguenot areas of France.
48:47And I will be putting Instagram photos of me touching walls, crying, kissing the turf. Yeah. anyway so by the late 1590s France is fucking knackered because it's just been really gone for it they've gone for it these constant wars and then there's a Henry I think there's a power struggle between three King Henry's or three Henry's two of them kill each other and then Henry the fourth the guy in denim cutoffs yeah he uh ish he basically is the last man standing and he is Huguenot but he converts to Catholicism uh in order to basically sacrifice his own religious beliefs for the sake of the country.
49:26Oh, interesting. And he issues the Edict of Nantes, not the Edict of Nantes. It sounds like the Edict of Nantes. No, that's our thing. That's the other word for the Operation Utrecht. Right. That was the conclusion to the Operation Utrecht was the Edict of Nantes. Right. Anyway, the Edict of Nantes, 1598, which is a revolutionary document because it legalizes two different religions in one state, which had been done before, but not in a state that was as intensely Catholic as France. Yeah. So this is kind of... So it's not religious freedom, but it's two different... Tolerance. Right. Religious tolerance.
49:58Right. And so he's Huguenot, but he sort of sacrificed himself. And Catholicism is the state religion, but Protestants allowed the right to worship. And this is basically... What percentage of modern France is Protestant now? It's got to be minimal. Minimal. I mean, the reason why Spain is as it is, is that they basically wiped all the Protestants out. And in Italy as well. They just, they clamped down too hard. um two percent two percent yeah exactly um but uh this is actually quite interesting the edict of non because this is when you start to get uh the idea that the state unity is more important than religious uh uniformity yeah the state's more important than the religion yeah so this is the this is quite a Protestant idea yes it is but this is where you you know there's been so much so many wars for nearly 100 years and they are they will continue to 1648 but this is where you start to get the sense of like should we just chill out about the god thing yeah and maybe maybe we're more french than we are maybe we just we all band together and say who the fuck are those german pigs yeah yeah hey none of us wash yeah exactly what are we doing fighting yeah um and so 1648 is the birth of the sort of the start of the idea of the nation's day right but this is when that starts to initiate um and then does this lead to 30 years war yes we were we were playing an episode on but it was actually too impenetrable it's insane the 30 years we don't know anyone involved but it seems to be the biggest thing happened that we don't know anything about it's the 30 years war for like central europeans is as important to them as like we would learn about the english civil war that's our version of it yeah but the 30 years war very quickly we'll do it we'll do a series on it at some point 30 years war 1618 the third defenestration of prague yes leads to a series of rolling conflicts.
51:52There's like a Spanish phase. There's a Dutch phase. There's a Swedish phase, a Danish phase. It's Glastonbury. There's just different tents with different things going. There's constantly... The Swedish are run by a guy called Adolphus. Yes. Who's like insane. Yeah. This is when Sweden... The second time in history that Sweden went full beast mode. Yeah. And then never again. Never again. Never again. And then you have basically maybe 20 % of the population of Germany die in the conflict. And it takes them 100 years, maybe more than that, to recover. But the Peace of Westphalia, 1648, basically settles the Protestant Catholic issue in that every state is allowed to choose what they want to follow.
52:34So why is it called the Reformation? What actually got reformed? The church. In what way? I feel like we've quite comprehensively dealt with over four hours yeah what do you think happened? I honestly don't know do you know the difference between Catholics and Protestants? the Catholics are a bit more serious but the Protestants are more boring I don't think so they like chains Catholics like jewellery Protestants like cricket yeah yeah sort of it's more English than Protestant and the Catholics are more emotional the Protestants are more repressed yes yeah that's true but I don't really know I feel like we dealt with this in sort of first five minutes of episode one of this series and we mention it regularly but what actually got reformed then to what from what to what Catholic to Protestant yeah because of the Catholic Church didn't really exist it was more there was reformation made to the church some people thought we don't need these reformations some people thought we did and then they came up with Catholics and Protestants to represent that So what was happening before that?
53:40It was just the Western church. Yeah, it was just the church, just Christianity. And has there been any more reformations? Reformations? Well, yes, there's several. Protestantism can now break off into loads of different ways. You know when we talk about Calvinism? Proletariat. No, that's the wrong word. That's a different thing. Pesipatarian. No, no, Pesipatarian. Pesipatarian is not a church. Pesipatarian is a kind of communist idea of the way we class. Pesipatarians are not involved in this story, no. Well, they are, probably. Accidental. Irrelevant. Yeah. Coincident. Incidental. yeah incidental right thank you yes there's no unified church of pescatarianism we did say before this episode actually Charlie if you want to ask some questions it'd be quite helpful because of this it's a bit more of a chewy topic yeah so we said if you've got any questions about the topic rather than just showing it could be kind of help because we're also trying to work our way through it yeah go on what was reformed what's the reformation well we've yeah we just answered it then yeah okay well thank god it's over do you mean the reformation or do you mean this series all of it yeah Well, I think, you know, if we're going to give you any feedback, it's that, you know, maybe spending less time finding images of men swallowing poo in condoms.
54:51And actually sort of maybe engaging with the history. I will say to get to the end of the fourth hour and for you to say what got reformed is quite deflating. Well, I'm your audience. I don't know if you are. I don't think you are. but you are you know it's a reminder to never leave a man behind isn't it you're the nearest us you've got you yeah i don't know if you're an audience you're not an audience but you're just geographically the nearest to us but it's a reminder that you can only go as fast as your slowest member of society right um and i i guess it's quite deflating to think that we've got to the end of this and there would be a listener going so what what is the reservation because i feel like i feel like we actually engage with it who's martin luther uh i have a pool I have a pool I honestly think I've learnt the least in this one Okay good Well that's a great way to end the series Yeah now so that's been the Reformation Or has it?
55:47I don't know Let us know if you I feel like we engage with it quite a lot I think it's very interesting We discussed some pretty interesting ideas I think it explains so much of culture Yeah your own psychology Family history It explains my prejudices entirely It can always be mapped onto what I think about most places in the world how far the reformation spread yeah um i don't think it takes an expert though to read between the lines with your i don't think it's like there's no reading between the lines that's what i'm saying it's tracing over it's getting rid of reading between the lines yes read what's on the line read i don't like them because they're catholic um it's tracing over a over a racist slur that i've written anyway uh if you'd like more we'll be dealing with the amish on the patreon which is more interesting than i thought it would be it is very interesting yeah uh that's anabaptists and we also I think tomorrow on the Patreon we are releasing our live special the JFK Assassination recorded at the Hackney Empire last year it was at the end of a eight nine day tour nine day tour some great stuff in there it's like an hour and a half special that's for sale if you don't want to join the Patreon you can just buy it as a one off damn how much I don't know yet I haven't decided it'll be more expensive than signing up to the Patreon sure Less expensive than like a curry.
57:07Yeah, less expensive than a curry. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. To place this. To place this, it'll be more than£3 a month. It will be less than the price of a curry. It won't be less expensive than the street food curries where they chop chicken with their toenails. It will not give you the same effect as an unlicensed street vendor in Bombay. Right. Okay. If it does, I'm not taking no responsibility. I can't say what you've eaten when you're watching this. when we made when we edited this special we didn't wash our hands no that is true and i did use my feet for some of it anyway that's on the patreon and we'll see you next week for a brand new topic from all of us here at fit versus history goodbye goodbye
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