Pull Yourself Up By Your Buttplugs | Margaret Thatcher & The Falklands (Part 6/6)

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1:43Welcome back, Maggie's children, to the final part of our epic series on Mummy and the Falklands. I'm joined by Horatio Gould. Hello. To dissect Thatcher's final term in office, Mummy's Last Stand. Yes. where she you know she takes it too far even for her friends yeah she really she really settles in for this one the foot is on the accelerator yeah where are we going yeah straight into the thames it's tough a trilogy is tough to land it is this is godfather three it's the longest serving prime minister at this point the first one to win three terms since that one in the victoria earl of liverpool in the 1820 first prime minister since the earl of liverpool to win three consecutive general elections now is she winning these because of the first past the post system she's unpopular with parts of the country that are underground underground they're under we should we should stress so there's an underground movement against thatcher no not in that way literally underground yeah they're underground and they're blacked up and they're digging out burnt toast to power an ailing system really creaking industrial system how are we still powered by burnt toast i don't understand as we made it clear in our last episode none of us understand what coal is um so going into the 1987 general election the economy is experiencing strong growth unemployment was falling inflation was low the conservatives highlight this economic stability with their campaign using the simple message britain is great again don't let labor wreck it when was the election that was labor isn't working when was that one that was uh 79 is that to get her in what was the one that got cameron in i don't know i thought there was one like labour isn't working.

3:21We can't go on like... Cameron, 2010. We can't go on like this. And then does pretty similar. Well, it gets worse. Yeah. Now, Thatcher's majority is reduced from 144 down to 102. Let's find out. We're in 1987. What are people calling tits in the late 80s? Charlie, the late 80s, 1987. The market's been unleashed. The growlers are free. Greed is good. Greed is good. Charlie, they're called Charlie's. There you go. Look at this. Bristol's has been used throughout the age, but it feels like Bristol's has really died with the traditional East End. There's the Bristol stool chart. I don't think we should be calling tits Bristol's because there's a Bristol stool chart.

4:02That's what I call poos. Right. Bristol's. I'm going to Bristol. What's the Bristol stool chart? It's the nurse's chart for when you should be concerned as to a colour of a poo. But why is that named after Bristol? It's a toilet. Is it? No, it's not. There's a lovely place. The amount of places you call a toilet starts to undermine calling it a toilet. You've got to save them up. No, no, no. I love toilets. Have you seen that? Not the nine o 'clock news sketch with Ron Atkinson making a bathroom. He's in a bathroom. He's buying a bathroom and they have a model and you're like putting... You could have a shower here.

4:33You could have an en suite. You're like, another toilet, another toilet, another toilet. He's like 20 toilets. Oh, yeah. How about a nice heating rack there? I have some for drying towels and things. That's right. Yes, yes. A heating rack It's not much use the toilet as it is. Well, no, no, I suppose not. No toilet.

4:56That's three toilets. Ah, yes. And Kaiser Blockade. Yeah, anyway. That's brilliant. Let's see how many toilets he gets up. That's a lot of toilets. Yeah, that's a lot of toilets. So she gets 42 % of the popular vote. Labour get 27%. What we haven't really dealt with throughout the 80s is this mystery disease that comes from either an air stewardess in San Francisco, no, no, it comes from an air stewardess in San Francisco or a monkey. The jury's still out. That is the disease of AIDS. Allegedly. Allegedly. A lot of this is still murky, you know. Did Ian Curtis kill himself? Yeah. Is Jeffrey Epstein actually Ian Watkins?

5:35Yeah. What is AIDS? What does it stand for? The Big Gay Plague. The Big Gay Plague. That's what I call it. I think that's literally correct. That's also why I called the West End. When AIDS first appeared in the 1980s, Thatcher's government offered little communication because, you know, she doesn't really know what it is. But also, just Thatcherite things, it's like, you know, you're on your own, right? Well, yeah. If you got AIDS for bumming, it's like, well, that's the free market's decided you got AIDS. Yeah, the invisible hand has wanked you, put your dick into someone else's bum, and that is what the market's decided.

6:11the market has put a cock into an arse unprotected the invisible hand has thumbed your willy into another man's bum and you've got aids and that's just you'll have to deal with it is that adam smith that's what he was adam smith the wealth of nations um that's what that you believe she's a methodist which means that whatever happens to you it's your own fault because you're thick and poor yeah uh or if you're rich it means you're you're thick poor and gay which means i have to close the minds and now you've got aids yeah um and you should have been blacking up underground anyway yeah close closes one hole another opens up yeah but if you're rich because you're brilliant fantastic you're brilliant and you're straight and you you always meant to be rich because you're brilliant and clever but this is what she thinks this is what sorry i must stress this is what she thinks i've got to stop using this as a soapbox my own opinions um we're not a political show we're not we're apolitical yeah i don't know i don't have an opinion on aids was it good was it bad it's not for me to say balance so you've got someone who's for aids than someone who thinks it's a big gay plague.

7:08Someone who thinks AIDS is a devastating plague that wasn't dealt with properly by the government, or someone thinks it's everyone's just desserts for being frilly. Just desserts? Yes, you've got your just desserts. What goes around comes around. You spend enough time in bottoms, you'll get judged by God by the plague. These are two different opinions. Which is not what you think. I'm somewhere in between the two. I'm a centrist. You are, yeah. When it comes to AIDS... You're Chakra Amuna. I'm Chakra Amuna, who apparently loves this sort of stuff. But anyway, that's allegedly... Does he chuck some Amunas off his bum?

7:39I heard a rumour about him. I heard a rumour about him. Go on, chuck your Amunas up there. I heard some rumours about him and Tiny Temper, but that's probably almost a list of them. Certainly, certainly unbroadcastable. Baka-A-Buna. Baka-Babuna. Bainy-Bemper. Bainy-Bemper. Bummy-Bummer. no we'd be barbo anyway thatcher views aids as she views everything through a moral lens sure she thinks it's an argentinian dirty weapon the big homos in south america have fired aids over yeah it's biological warfare it is she she has she concerns that um to uh intervene against aids to start a public health campaign would to be to promote homosexuality which she is very much like listen do what you do in your own homes but don't go on about it that's her vibe on right um she doesn't want to quote encourage or normalize same-sex activity yeah so the cabinet papers show that she questioned whether advising people on safe gay sex may be interpreted as condoning homosexuality which is the last thing she would want to do but she's a methodist she's not the wokest woman in the world no you can make many accusations of her but she'd not succumb to the woke mind virus as opposed to the um gay actual virus that aids is in many ways the first the first white virus um so did aids so that's the whole thing so it's comes from a monkey and then a bloke fucked a monkey right there's that's one theory or in dave chappelle's a brilliant routine about it i don't know how scientific that is aids origin discredited aids theories um jumped from chimpanzees in central africa to humans likely via hunting contact around 20th century so it's sort of like um sars right but it's monkeys yeah or like COVID the other I think the main theory is that one flight attendant in San Francisco did a lot of fucking damage in the air right and gave everyone gave everyone AIDS I mean that's a lot of damage I've started saying that and I'm not sure how the story finishes but where do you get it from hey where do you get it from monkey monkey monkey I don't know but who's the Johnny Vegas PG tits monkey who's the AIDS patient zero Guyton Dungas Guyton Dugas Guyton Dugas he is a Canadian fucking flight attendant sexy little twink but that's been disproven he was just you're saying the guy the first guy to get AIDS was called Gaytan sorry are you saying that he was his flight attendant it's been disproven no the fact that he was patient zero for AIDS right I think he just like shagging Gaytan Dugas Gaytan Duass like it sounds made up yes it does it sounds like Thatcher's made up oh who gave AIDS first probably Gay Gaytan Does Ass probably Gayman Does Ass yeah push your limits train with precision see the results at Equinox that's high performance loving iconic spaces that inspire personal training backed by real data unlimited group fitness classes from yoga and Pilates to strength and conditioning elevate your post performance ritual with saunas steam rooms cold plunges and more everything you need to lock in and unlock your potential at Equinox start today at equinox.com

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11:47offer for initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy see terms but in the first years of the 1980s people are dying from it from this mystery uh bum disease and the government are not doing anything or mbd's mystery mom sorry sorry that's what i that's what that's what the player went into iraq for isn't it quite often i have mystery bum disease after a night yeah he was said am was um housing mbds right he was yeah and we never found them there was no mystery bum disease eventually so in thatcher's second term her health secretary norman fowler he launches a major public aids education campaign uh but supposedly thatcher is at all times resistant to dealing with this epidemic oh it's a pandemic it was a pandemic uh but it's a gay pandemic right yes it was a gay pandemic um and uh he advocated for needle exchange programs uh push for destigmatizing messages encouraging people to get tested there's this big campaign don't die of ignorance there's needless exchange where you share needles with each other uh i think it's the opposite charlie will know no it's when you you hand in your dirty needle for a clean one right i was yeah it's not that i genuinely didn't know what it was it wasn't people just shoot up and he says let's switch do you want a bit of mine yeah have a joke on this yeah but uh so i guess this is around the time of um aids parties what What were AIDS parties?

13:12AIDS parties were when people, there was a subset of people who were so anxious about maybe getting it that they wanted to know they had it. So they'd go to a party and all - Bug chasing. Yeah. This was around the time of that. But supposedly, Thatcher is very, very slow to intervene on AIDS. But a lot of people are dying from AIDS. Yes. And now it's no longer that lethal. It's one of the main medical success stories the last 30 years. It's just because they discovered how to sort it out. Prep. Right. You take prep and you... It sorts you. Well, firstly, if you take prep, then you won't catch it.

13:50Or at least you'll catch it, but it won't turn into AIDS. Right. I'm not that educated about it. You know, if you don't know what coal is, you don't know what HIV is. It's a batting collapse through the gay communities, right? No, it is. It's a huge part of kind of gay cultural history is the devastation it did. to Sony. Yeah, yeah. Gay icons. It's a... Freddie Mercury. Freddie Mercury. Yeah. Get Freddie Mercury on a bed with 20 guys. Do I want to see this? Yeah, you do. When... Right. No, I don't think anyone was too shocked when it... Where do you think he got AIDS from?

14:27I mean, it does make being gay look pretty fucking... I mean, yeah, being gay's never looked better to be fair. Look at that. Everyone's got an amazing moustache. Everyone is ripped. Everyone's smiling. You're all in a bed together. And they're in a massive velvet bed. That's like an absolute lot. People who believe being gay is a choice. I'm like, well, it's not because I choose that. But I don't want it. That looks fucking great. I'd love to be gay. I'd have disposable income. You know, my partner would tell better stories. Yeah. And we could watch sports together. You could still do sleepovers with your friends.

14:55Yeah, exactly. Straight guys don't have sleepovers. Yeah. Yeah, because by the age of 11, it's gay. And you're like, okay, well, fine. So being gay isn't a choice because I, yeah, I'd love to do that. Yeah. The music's better. Yeah. Everything's better. Food's better. you have hobbies you can dress like fashionable in an ironic way you know if I wear baggy pants it's silly oh yeah your fashion capabilities just go through the roof I can't you know yeah I can't because you're Chinese bisexual you can get away with wearing some absolutely mad stuff what's that thing you wear that sort of weird Shrek yeah you wear a woman's fucking it's a crop top it's just like a Shrek crop top basically with leather sleeves it's like two woolen arms and then a kind of Shrek horse piece in the middle that's from sucking one cock I know it's crazy you get that pass yeah I might just do it just to open up my wardrobe and then I'll put that away it was just one cock I need come out the closet to make your closet better yeah I genuinely I you know we started a podcast to wear suits because I it's easier makes it easier for straight guys this is the best we can do it's honestly the best we can do and I'd love to be gay and have the option of wearing a tank top yeah what kind of in your gay dreams where you're not getting judged at all yeah and also you're allowed to go like hey like you're allowed to be like yeah we don't let's not lie as straight men sorry no no no when we pass each other in the street i have to be like yeah rather than hi because let's not being straight is it being straight to prison there's a jealousy for the freedom in which gay guys gesture yeah you know hey hey bitch that seems a lot more fun than right yeah it does it does not look each other right how did you get here?

16:38Did you take the D6? The D6? Bus. Right. I'm not as straight as you. No, you're not. But what would you probably wear if you were like so there's no judgement you're gay, it's fine. Right. What are you wearing in your gay fantasy? Leather kilt. Right. White tank top. Get up a poster of Craig Hill's Edinburgh poster. But that's a Scotch. Right. Yeah. No judgement. No judgement. Yeah, sorry, sorry. That's that. Okay. that's me look craig hill's edinburgh show titles are phenomenal firstly he's a phenomenal comic he like he tears rooms apart this guy uh every edinburgh show is called it bottoms up up and coming um uh playing with my selfie wait you see my entrance phenomenal now these themed hours sorry these themed hours deeply personal moving hours no none of that bollocks this gets harder every year i mean you know pumped how many hours you've done come on the lads he'll never run out he'll never run out of them so every year you're doing a new hour yeah but that i think what i'd wear is probably i'd do big fur coat and a thong so i'm either really overdressed or really underdressed but that's quite straight though what a thong and a mink coat yeah i don't think that straight like oh it's like a pink shiny thong i think you need to go gayer right what what's gayer than that tank top full makeup okay um sparring with no kill you need to be properly because you can close the coat is what i mean you can be like yes what's this it's not gonna be what i think it is well what's this right ai foes of simon cowell we're talking about the aids crisis yeah yeah this is what it's all about simon this is what it's all about well you know did um would you argue that maybe x factor came out of that feels like a thatchers britain yes result doesn't it 100 it feels like winners and losers winners and losers simon cowell's a thatch right big yeah big brother is you know it comes out of all this so maybe this is relevant because you're you're taking people's communities away and you're saying that life is a race.

18:59Yeah. Right. And that people have nothing to hold on to. And what's interesting about X Factor and stuff is that you go to the sob stories, they're nearly always from ravaged towns in the Northeast. Totally, yeah. And instead it's like, well, it's not all bad. One of you. Can sing. Might get to do one hit wonder. Yeah. And then get chased out of fame by the tabloids. Yeah. You could be Joe McEldry. So talking about. Joe McEldry now. yeah so what do you mean there is not a safety there yeah just do x-factor it's called pop idol so we got all the miners all the people who would be miners they're like we're closing the mines but you can join x-factor and try and out sing each other louis walsh will clap at you and then three years later the tabloid will call you fat and uh unrecognizable he is um yeah no he's he's he's gone he's gone for it he's gone for it this is thatcher's britain yeah now uh the don't die of ignorance campaign is one of the most dramatic public health campaigns in uk history this is widely credited with lowering infection rates changing public behavior helping to stem the tide of aids thatcher though is deeply uncomfortable with the explicit nature of the messaging cabinet minutes show she objected to language describing anal sex and condom use in public materials yeah so now she's being a prude and it's like she's unleashed she's not prudish with a lot of stuff in many ways.

20:21No. She's unleashed this sort of fuck it. This kind of jolly romp with the Big Bang and everything like that. But now she's like, this is too explicit. You know? Yeah. It's kind of strange. But the pamphlets describe risky sex. Is she just thinking like, fuck it, let them burn? Does she care at all? She actually thinks it's probably pretty naughty stuff. She probably thinks it's, it could even be like a religious. They deserve what they're getting. It's a sign from God. It's the free market. everyone makes your own bed. Yeah. And what you do in that bed is up to you, but you'll deal with the consequences.

20:55Yeah. If it bums X, then you die. Yeah. I mean, you watch Eddie Murphy's specials. Eddie Murphy is, I'm not saying he's some kind of gay rights hero, but I'm saying he has a routine about how fucking scary casual sex is in the 80s. Yeah. We can't imagine how terrifying it was. There's a period where, even if you were straight and single and having regular casual sex, you were terrified about dying. Well, it'd be bisexuals like Charlie. They were the problem. This was not the gay spot, it was the bisexuals. So the other thing to say about Thatcher and the gay community is that as conservative MPs become alarmed by what they view as overly frank sex education, Thatcher starts supporting more restrictive policies.

21:41And we get to the very controversial Section 28, which is legislation that prohibits local authorities from, quote, promoting homosexuality. Right. so bear in mind that you know if you go back to our howard wilson uh episode from the 60s there's been a sort of public shift towards homosexuality yeah very fast in the last 20 years sex revolution six revolution as decriminalized um you know uh musicals you name it it's everywhere now abba jersey boys jersey boys whatever it's all over the place yeah um so for thatcher in 1988, I mean, this is very, very recent, to start sort of being regressive policies.

22:24It's not directly an AIDS policy, but it's so heavily shaped by the anxieties surrounding the gay community during AIDS. It sort of creates widespread fear among charities and essentially stopping effective HIV education for young people. And it was repealed only in 2000. Christ. 2003? 2003. Blair. So the opposite of now, basically, you just can't say, it's like anti-rainbow stuff basically rainbow the big cross through it I don't know if they had a big cross through it no gays, no bi's, no Irish sort of stuff maybe, yeah no gays, no bi's, no butt plugs what, on pubs? yeah you weren't allowed to teach homosexuality in school it's not about the rainbow thing if you roll around like a fucking geezer with a butt plug in is there something quite straight about a butt plug potentially if you're just like a fucking like yeah, I think so if you cork up and then go around.

23:18Pints and pints, just like. Wearing a suit with the butt plug in is quite a. Yeah. But no one would know it's in there. It's the ultimate sort of process. It's very Protestant. And also I'm not going to judge the man by the butt plug he uses. No. I think silver. It's the man the butt plugs in that you should judge. It's the man around. It's a man around. Charlie was buffering. It's the man around the butt plug. Yeah. Yeah. You're not defined by your butt plug, Charlie. There's a man on that butt plug. There's a man in there as well. can we talk about the man on top of the butt plug as opposed to just the butt plug you can take the butt plug out of the man but you can't take the man out of the butt plug

23:56now Thatcher's justification for section 28 is her argument that schools were undermining traditional family values which she's undermined by decimating communities yeah but this is the great contradiction and it's also like these guys come out of the mines that family life's been destroyed they got divorced because their job's gone and not even had to go around bumming anymore No. Do you know what I mean? The one release you have when your traditional community has been collapsed. Right. You don't even get that. So blackface has gone and now bumming as well, is it? What do you want me to do? My kids won't speak to me.

24:27Wife's divorced. I'm not allowed to go fucking... We mustn't be stressed out. No gay blackface. This is crazy. Christ, brilliant. Grand gay blackface. Amazing. Now, by the late 80s, Thatcher has gone absolutely cuckoo. Yes, she has. She starts referring to herself as the royal we. Right. As if she's royal. We must, we must do this. this is late gaddafi sort of it is late gaddafi as much as we can in britain so she says this speech in 87 up leading up to 208 she says children who need to be taught to respect traditional moral values are being taught that they have an inalienable right to be gay all of these children are being cheated of a sound start in life yes cheated i mean it's still the methodist approach it's front foot isn't it it's you know i'm meeting you head on yes i think in an inalienable right out your with your butt plug yeah sort of stuff up by your own butt plug

25:21but you know she like she's just so high in her own supply at this point i don't think she reads the mood of the nation at all here yeah she's kind of yeah but then i say that you watch there are these like talking heads of people in the late 80s talking about homosexuality and it's like you know it's a world away from nowadays i mean i i got my dad's a big that true what's your dad think about section 28 he's well my dad's very liberal and all that sort of stuff but for him you know the market's the main for him it's just like a functioning economy everything's built on that so any other stuff is just sort of like aids whatever free market none of my bollocks yeah basically whenever she has any sort of social conservatism on in like that then he's like whatever whatever yeah exactly yeah um he's also like i wasn't in a mind i'm not okay okay but that's like the sandbrook that's the sandbrook view of history isn't it yeah when he goes on and talks about Cromwell being uh like yeah oh yeah if I was Irish I'd probably hate him but I'm not so fuck it yeah that's my dad I'm English so I think he was great well for me businessman yeah I like it who cares um so by this point Thatcher's going a bit cuckoo it's you know it's um the kids have left home yeah but mummy is still needing someone to to mother sure it's a difficult time yes when your kids flee the nest she's finding surrogate kids yeah she's just overreach now um and the great irony is that she's you know what she's a free marketeer let people get on with it and yet is is is getting in the way of people's lives yes you know meddling meddling with gay people what are you doing there what are you doing there stop that out now in 1989 1990 she um starts the the policy that will ultimately see her finished off right the poll tax.

27:02And to place this, because we haven't placed this, this is just before I was born. Okay. Just before. Right. So is that the first marker? Yeah. So before Phil was born. It's just after I was conceived. You're like a half fetus. Could you be aborted at this stage?

27:27What are we talking? Let's do the math. Let's do the math. Let's break it down. 24 weeks. But at this point, in the 80s, what's the abortion limit? 24 weeks. It seems like your life was on a knife edge at this point. Really? 28 weeks. So what exact time is the poll tax coming out then? The poll tax, my birthday is July 1990, end of July. So what's that? That's October 89. My parents' wedding anniversary. Yeah, hello. Hello. When's the poll tax brought in? April. all yeah lovely stuff so yeah you could have been aborted you know could i know could i've been aborted well when when was it 20 how 28 weeks from the start of october six just over six months six months so you you're just in the safe safe zone yeah now the poll tax is essentially a replacement of council tax uh otherwise known as the community charge the difference is with council tax homeowners as a charged amount based on the value of their property.

28:28Right. The poll tax is a flat charge paid by everyone, regardless of the wealth bracket. The justification for this is that poor people use more public services. Yeah, that's what my dad says. So is he in favour of the poll tax? I don't know if he's... I haven't explained about the poll tax, but he definitely... He's like, I don't even use the NHS. Yeah. So why should I pay for it? Yeah. I mean, it's a regressive tax in that it's hitting the poorest people hard. uh the tory mp nicholas ridley says why should a duke pay more than a dustman by this point the parties may have been in power too long yes they've lost all sense of who they're meant to be this is a pattern that emerges throughout yeah the tories they after a while labor keep fucking it when they're trying to get rid of the tories the tories like we're not meant to be power this long no you're meant to kick us out before this before these guys come out of course of course we can't up this shit we're bored so yeah so uh the tax was obviously poorly received by the public millions people just didn't pay it in its first year 1.2 billion pounds of tax goes unpaid in england and wales people develop a range of techniques in order to avoid it uh so that people who summon to the court uh they attend court in their hundreds to slow down the process uh they sell furniture to a friend for a small sum to avoid it being taken by bailiffs a million people remove their names in the electoral roll to avoid tax it there's all leads to like riots there's the poll tax riots in trafalgar square so this is 31st of march 1919 my mother is about six months pregnant right okay this is the world you're born i'm born into this yeah i'm born into thatcher's britain just tail end um 100 000 protesters attend a march in london against the tax and it ends with violence 400 arrests over 100 are injured um more than a thousand buses arrive from around england to march to trafalgar square people are shouting maggie maggie maggie out out out people set buildings on fire they overturn cars but it's a it's a mad policy right yeah i don't even see like it was deeply unnecessary it's not even like it's like the rich people who are already doing well but at this point another tax break it's purely ideological because there's no like the country's so the economy is improving yeah so what's counter tax now counter tax is based your your property is is in bands okay so if you have a three-bed house in a certain on a nice street it will be a higher band than say like a flat in a dump yeah well i'm a renter so i think we play a fat don't put yourself down no i am no i am so we play a flat rent a flat fee uh just for whichever borough we're in but yeah it's to do with boroughs and how nice yeah nice thing is but anyway the tories are turning against thatcher uh because i think it's just and it's completely unnecessary and to have like to have riots in your third term yeah having had riots all throughout your michael heseltine go love michael heseltine he announces his intention to run against her in a leadership election now he had uh left the cabinet uh during it's quite a boring thing it'd been like a the leyland helicopter affair okay it's basically thrilling it's about a helicopter contract for the army okay and some people think that she's europeans some things use americans he walks out but he was like he was an obvious challenger to the backbenchers supposedly they say he's one of the most brilliant people who's never been Prime Minister okay no it was Tarzan why because he had big eyebrows oh not because he walked around with a sort of loincloth loincloth yeah no they had a club so in October 1990 Thatchew is arguing against closer integration with Europe we haven't really talked about there's a whole like her relationship with Europe is just as fraught as it has been which leads to the resignation of Sir Geoffrey Howe.

32:14It's all about the exchange rate mechanism, whether Britain joins the exchange rate mechanism, which is where tying our currency to the German Deutschmark, which would be a precursor to the euro. So she's against it, but the Chancellor wants to do it. Because the whole thing is we freed ourselves of state control in this country. Why would we give it to Brussels? Yes. More and more to Brussels. Up yours to laws and all that. Anyway, Hesseltine uses the resignation of her Chancellor to challenge her for the leadership. And Thatcher on the 12th of November makes a speech using cricket metaphors.

32:46I'm still at the crease, though the bowling's been hostile of late. And in case anyone doubted, I can assure you there'll be no ducking the bouncers, no stonewalling, no playing for time. The bowling's going to get hit all around the ground. That's my style. To be fair, that is her style. Yeah. She's whacks it around. She does. She bass balls the miners. Yeah. The next day in Parliament, Ho says in a speech it's rather like sending your opening bats into the crease only to find that their bats have been broken before the game by the team captain. It's not as good an analogy I feel as that. No but he does make an amazing resignation speech.

33:22One of the famous moments in the House of Commons. He's so quiet and unassuming. But an old school conservative right? He stabs her in the back. Yeah. So she then goes into a leadership campaign against Hessel Tyne. She wins the first round but didn't win outright. So it would have to go to a second round, which is basically a death sentence. So she would prefer to see John Major become party leader than risk losing to Heseltine. So she resigns as Prime Minister on the 22nd of November. So it was meant to be Heseltine? Yeah. Over Major? The great pretender, yeah. Right. And John Major, she had, when he was whipped, she'd absolutely cucked him.

33:58She like shouted at him and humiliated him. And he wore it and just stayed in the tent and then ends up being Prime Minister. He was, yeah, he didn't go to university, John Major. No. I'm actually excited for the John Major episode. My wife had a crush on John Major when she was a kid. But he feels like it's very rare that you have a Prime Minister that the whole of Britain doesn't hate. John Major. John Major is one of the only Prime Ministers who seems pretty uncontroversial. It's because everyone just thinks he was a decent man. And he was only there for a term. And he was trying. He's just like a nice, sweet man.

34:26But no one would boo. If you did that thing of like, give me a cheer if you like this Prime Minister, I think there's boos for everyone but Major and maybe Attlee. Good name as well. And Brown. Brown's come back around, I think. Do you think? For some reason, yeah. I mean, when James McCann did that bit. Yes, that's true. Brown gets some cheers. Push your limits, train with precision, see the results. At Equinox, that's high performance loving. Iconic spaces that inspire. Personal training backed by real data. Unlimited group fitness classes from yoga and Pilates to strength and conditioning. Elevate your post-performance ritual with saunas, steam rooms, cold plunges and more.

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36:17But she has gone cuckoo by this point. This is last year's Avenger. It's like there's no CDM. She won't go. Six attacker midfielders on the pitch. You know, it's ideology over pragmatism. Yeah, it is exactly last year's Avenger. so uh some of her ministers are also wiping away tears um in uh she was struggling to get the words out she's gibbering wreck there's that famous photo can you find it charlie of uh of her crying in the down in the car leaving down downing street with wet eyes so finally yes tears in the back seat that's the headline so now every female prime minister have they cried on the way out trust hasn't did trust cry i think she might have no trust cry trust didn't cry yes yeah no No, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

37:00Is that after the fact? No, it's after. She didn't cry. She just got on with it. Obviously. Theresa May. The country I love. Yeah, no, Theresa May fucks it. I thought that was quite good. It's nice, it's nice. The Maybot. Yeah, when she cries, that's quite a powerful, you know, quivering on that final word is quite good, no? And seeing Thatcher finally show some true emotion. Yeah. So on the 28th of November, John Major becomes prime minister and Thatcher stays in the house for a bit, I think, but her and Dennis moved to a gated community classic she remains an MP until 92 she establishes the Thatcher Foundation to promote free enterprise and she remains good friends with people like Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet Elevate your circle guys Yeah who was arrested for violating human rights and she campaigns to have him dropped all the charges dropped While under house arrest in the UK Thatcher sends Pinochet a bottle of whiskey with the note Scotch is one British institution that will never let you down um now no one's defending no no actual stick her neck out no you know what give me a bottle of scotch prince andrew i can't believe how they treated you we should be checking in actually with what savile's doing here's the barometer of this series yeah 1990 november 1990 what is savile doing he's literally all these prime ministers pretty much 1997 was being knighted he's made a knight to the realm yeah because uh he was yes new year's honors for his charitable work yeah unfettered access to uh you know hospitals which you don't need to go into i think you know but you know it's nice to see um men in nursing positions it is nice to see men in nursing positions you know he broke so many boundaries jimby savile you know he was a busy man he was busy he went out of his way to do so much for charity in the way that mark walberg posts his daily routine showing how productive he is i don't need to see james james's daily routine i don't need to see it well how did he get get so much stuff done i don't know you could learn and that's part of the reason i don't believe anyone what time is he going to bed what time is he getting up when they say the slander about him that he was a mega pedo i think well you mean this guy james james savile knight of the realm white hair red glasses full track suit not a chance.