In short
This episode (Part 1 of a six-part series) frames Margaret Thatcher’s early life and rise to power, arguing that her Methodism and moral worldview shaped “Thatcherism”: poverty as personal failure and the state as an obstacle. The hosts also set the political context of late-1970s Britain—high inflation, unemployment, and the collapse of postwar consensus—leading to Thatcher’s 1979 election victory and first major policy direction (monetarism, privatization, and cuts). Key claims include: Thatcher’s upbringing taught free will and moral responsibility; her father’s more progressive charity contrasts with her later austerity; her early controversies (e.g., “milk snatcher” backlash as Education Secretary) entrenched her; and her monetarist belief that inflation matters more than unemployment guided her approach. Notable examples mentioned: Thatcher’s Grantham childhood above a greengrocer shop; Oxford chemistry studies; rejection by Imperial Chemical Industries; her marriage to Dennis Thatcher; her 1966 vote on decriminalizing homosexuality; her 1970 support for grammar schools and ending free school milk; and her 1979 cabinet “wets vs dries” divide, plus privatizations and North Sea oil’s windfall.
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Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Rise of Margaret Thatcher
0:00 to 0:55
Discuss the background and rise of Margaret Thatcher as a Prime Minister.
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The Rise of Margaret Thatcher
1:18 to 1:58
Discuss the background and rise of Margaret Thatcher as a Prime Minister.
“Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.”
The Rise of Margaret Thatcher
2:30 to 3:52
Discuss the background and rise of Margaret Thatcher as a Prime Minister.
“There was a 10-part algorithm-destroying series in the summer that you can have before this to make sense of why on earth we elect a woman as prime minister.”
Cultural Context of the 80s
3:52 to 5:24
Examine the societal changes and cultural context during Thatcher's time.
“is we are at least Britain who's been pegged.”
Thatcher's Early Life and Background
5:24 to 7:19
Learn about Thatcher's upbringing and the influence of Methodism on her views.
“has just Googled what Mongolian euphemisms for tits in the 80s were.”
The Impact of Protestantism
7:19 to 9:27
Discuss the implications of Protestant beliefs on Thatcher's political philosophies.
“Then you've got mirth control, Jeff Whiting and his wife, Marley.”
Thatcher's Views on Poverty and Society
9:27 to 14:01
Analyze Thatcher's attitudes towards poverty and individual responsibility.
“I'm going to get up an hour earlier than you and I'm going to get a new denomination.”
Thatcher's Views on Poverty and Society
14:31 to 14:46
Analyze Thatcher's attitudes towards poverty and individual responsibility.
“They don't call it an extra-value meal for nothing.”
Margaret Thatcher's Early Influences
15:15 to 15:58
Explore the early life of Margaret Thatcher and her family's impact.
“In 1938, Thatcher's older sister Muriel.”
Thatcher's Political Awakening
15:59 to 16:54
Discuss how Thatcher became vocally anti-Nazi when hearing about refugees.
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Thatcher's Family Dynamics
16:55 to 18:04
Delve into Thatcher's relationship with her family, focusing on her father.
Education and Early Career
18:05 to 19:06
Trace Thatcher's education and early career in science and politics.
“What should we have run out of things to say to my mum?”
Thatcher's Marriage and Early Politics
19:07 to 20:39
Examine Thatcher's marriage to Dennis and their political influences.
“found her to be, quote, headstrong, obstinate, and dangerously self-opinionated.”
Public Life and Political Rise
20:40 to 22:20
Outline Thatcher's rise in politics and her initial election campaigns.
“So you've got a Jew in your attic, right?”
Controversies and Public Perception
22:21 to 23:51
Discuss the controversies surrounding Thatcher's early policies and public perception.
“Now, in 1961, she goes against the Tory government of the day to vote in favour of restoring Birching as corporal punishment.”
Thatcher the Milk Snatcher
23:52 to 25:58
Explore the backlash from Thatcher's controversial decision on school milk.
“And this is where we get her first nickname.”
Thatcher's Political Fortitude
25:59 to 28:00
Analyze how backlash shaped Thatcher's political career and resolve.
“People call them fun bags, what do you mean?”
Thatcher's Rise to Leadership
28:00 to 29:59
Explore Thatcher's ascent within the Tory party and her political stance.
“But you're looking back at it, you're like, oh.”
Controversial Policies and Cultural Shifts
30:00 to 32:06
Discuss Thatcher's stances on social issues and the cultural implications.
“We had a gong at the bottom of our stairs that my mum would hit because I was in the attic.”
The Iron Lady Emerges
32:07 to 34:16
Learn about the events leading to Thatcher earning the 'Iron Lady' title.
“Savile at this time is shagging dead people.”
Thatcher and the Winter of Discontent
34:17 to 36:08
Analyze Thatcher's response to the socio-economic crisis of the time.
“There's no way that that guy did any of that stuff.”
Thatcher's Economic Philosophy
42:00 to 43:13
Explore Thatcher's belief that inflation is worse than unemployment and its implications.
“It's basically saying that inflation is worse than unemployment.”
Privatization and New Money
43:14 to 44:36
Discuss the privatization of industries under Thatcher and the emergence of a consumer culture.
North Sea Oil's Impact
44:37 to 45:49
Analyze how North Sea oil contributed to the UK economy during Thatcher's era.
Monetarism and Economic Challenges
45:50 to 46:30
Examine the challenges and consequences of monetarism during Thatcher's first term.
“At the beginning of Thatcher, actually, it gets worse than the 70s.”
Thatcher's Unyielding Policies
46:31 to 47:52
Discuss the unpopularity of Thatcher's policies and her refusal to back down.
“manufacturing essentially is decimated within two or three years this is kind of her policies her application of monetarism, individualism, moral absolutism, you're poor because you deserve to be because you're thick.”
Social Unrest and Riots
47:53 to 49:13
Explore the social unrest and major riots during Thatcher's administration due to high unemployment.
“You know, the old way of doing it, Keynesianism.”
The Right to Buy Housing Act
49:14 to 50:34
Analyze the implications of the Right to Buy Housing Act and its impact on housing availability.
“must have known as a trade union to be employed there.”
Urban Development and Housing Crisis
50:35 to 51:36
Discuss the consequences of housing policies and the ongoing housing crisis in the UK.
Bobby Sands and Political Prisoners
51:37 to 53:10
Examine Bobby Sands' hunger strike and the political implications during Thatcher's time.
“He could have delegated some of the local issues whilst he was smearing poo on the wall.”
Thatcher and Reagan's Alliance
53:11 to 55:40
Explore the relationship between Thatcher and Reagan amidst their shared political philosophies.
“Because he wants to be taken, seen as a political prisoner as opposed to like a domestic terrorist.”
Contrasting Leadership Styles
55:41 to 56:00
Discuss the differences in leadership styles between Thatcher and Reagan.
“because there's a political marriage as well as being personally.”
Thatcher and Reagan: Leadership Styles
56:00 to 57:58
Explore the contrasting detail-oriented leadership of Margaret Thatcher and the simplicity of Ronald Reagan.
“She stays up till fucking three in the morning working.”
Thatcher's Early Challenges
57:58 to 59:07
Learn about Margaret Thatcher's unpopularity and the political landscape during her first term as Prime Minister.
“opinion polls show her personal satisfaction rating is a record low of 23%.”
The Falklands Conflict Introduction
59:07 to 59:51
Introduction to the Falklands War, setting up a discussion for the next episode.
“The rest of this six-part series is on the Patreon.”
Transcript
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1:58Well, here we are. We're back. The series that no one wanted is carrying on. It's Christmas. Who else could it be time for? It's Mummy for Christmas. Welcome back to our most controversial series. Thatcher Thatcher the Cumsnatcher. Post-war British Prime Ministers. And listen, this is the start of an epic six-parter on Thatcher and the Falklands. You can accuse us of many things. Sure. What you cannot accuse us of is of not providing any context for this. Okay, yeah. There's been a long road to Thatcher. There was a 10-part algorithm-destroying series in the summer that you can have before this to make sense of why on earth we elect a woman as prime minister.
2:43You can see the YouTube views. It's sort of like the economy during COVID and Brexit. Yes. It just went like this. And the economy during the 70s, actually. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, that's why Thatcher comes into it. I think Douglas Alec Hume, the Titanic figure. Yes. Very much that comes out of Hume's shadow. Yes, exactly. Everyone thought no one would be able to do it, and out of nowhere, this woman comes. It took Thatcher to displace Alec Douglas Hume. Alec, what's his name again? I don't know. I always say Hume Douglas Alec. Alec Douglas Hume. Today, we are dealing with Mummy, Mummy's early life.
3:17Yes. Look at her there, resplendent in a Sunday best. I mean, my goodness. Wow. She really, if we talk about aura of post-war British Prime Ministers, she must be up there. She cleans up? Yes. She's the most... The longest-serving Prime Minister this country has had since the war. Yep. The most controversial? For sure, I'd say so. The most divisive? We're still living in Thatcher's Britain. We are Thatcher's children. Thatcher, this country is Attlee's child. Attlee is its dad. And then in 1979, Margaret Thatcher puts a strap on and fucks Attlee up the arse. Yeah. And that's who we are today. is we are at least Britain who's been pegged.
3:54Cut, dad, bitch, mum. The bitch is back and it's time for mummy. We are in 1979. As always, we need to find out what people were calling tits in the 80s. So this is pretty bleak. This is almost as bleak as it gets. But the 80s is, you know, Thatcher ushers in the dawn of new money. Yeah. She unleashes new money. Yeah, she unleashes my dad. Your dad is Thatcher's actual child. and so we need this is the start of new new money tits yeah so fake tits start in the 80s i'd say any of that sort of wartime decorum is now being eroded you can you walk down the street in the 80s and you don't know whose tits are fake and whose aren't because of thatcher big hair fake teeth big tits so if we could just uh let's get chat gpt up charlie and if you could just tell us what a slang for boobs in the 80s we've got jugs and knockers which i guess are like classic ones that I guess we just thought were always around.
4:52But it's interesting to know. It's interesting to know a world before jugs or knockers. Here we go. 80s is tits. We're in the tits now. I guess, were they not called tits before? No. That's interesting. Fun Bags starts. Bristol's, Baps, Norks. I think Fun Bags defines the age quite a bit. Chesticles, Hooters, Melons, Cans. Because it was a lot of it. It was a concentrated area of London, the Southeast, just honking on Fun Bags. while the mines were closing. Yes. You know, it's an era of contrasts. And Charlie, just to give some contrast, has just Googled what Mongolian euphemisms for tits in the 80s were.
5:29Breast button. Push my breast buttons, please. Is that next to your trouser button? Yes, in the phrenology heads. Women are born with a breast button. And you push that and their breasts get bigger. So Thatcher, Margaret Hilda Roberts, she's born. Yep. Hilda. Yep. Again. Is she white? Yes, she's white, isn't she? She's about as white as it gets. Yeah, it's probably... She's the original white woman. Margaret Hilda Roberts, that is... It's a white name. That's not been cut with anything. Well, you say that. Hilda gives a... There's a bit of... There's a bit of Southern... Hilda! Hilda! Shit, yeah.
6:02Get in here, Hilda! There's a bit of... There's no way Hilda doesn't have massive jugs. Do you know what I mean? Well... Well, she... I don't know what Thatcher's the fun bags are saying. Fucking Thatcher's got puppies. Listen, in the 1970s, Britain is the sick man of Europe. Sure. And what else does a sick man need but a fucking sexy nurse? yes maggie gives the sick man yeah his medicine the milk that brings her back to life exactly yeah she get mummy gives medicine take your cow Paul Britain now Margaret Hilda Roberts is born on the 13th of October 1925 in Grantham which is a hole have you been there I've been to Grantham what are you doing in Grantham I did a spiky mic gig in Grantham about 15 years ago absolute drivel right there's a promoter called spiky mike whose full name is spiky michael yeah um he dresses does he run a spiky mike running run that gong show in derby right he's got the east midlands sewn up yeah yeah he's like a local baron right he is he's like his fiefdom he's an open mic baron who dresses like guy fieri flame bandana and hawaiian shirts yeah and compares you can't really get he's like the mafia around there you can't really gig without him at least know about or giving it the okay.
7:17The open mic stand-up circuit in this country has five families, right? Spiegel Michael runs the East Midlands. Yeah. Then you've got mirth control, Jeff Whiting and his wife, Marley. They got the South, the Southeast sewn up. Sown up, yeah. Sown up. The West Country, there was a woman, what was she called? Joss Jones got the West Country sewn up. Yeah, what's that one in the Northeast that they do gigs in like Darlington? Oh, Hilarity Bites. Hilarity Bites. Neil Jolly. Neil Jolly, you've got to pay your respects to Neil Jolly. If you want to gig in a bowling alley in North Allerton, you've got to pay your dues to Neil Jolly.
7:47I did, yeah, Hilarity Bites. I was Hilarity Bites' new comedian of the year finalist. Wait, finalist. I want to say 2017, 2018. And I had to, because I had to get my train back. I had to leave after my set. So I went on first. Died on my fucking hole. You imagine you in Darlington. Irrendous. Died. Get on the train. I fucked it. I came second. Wow. So I was like, how badly did, like, how badly was everyone else after me? But you know why that was so hard for you? Why? Thatcher. Right, okay. The divides, you know, the seeping wounds that Thatcher leaves means it's very hard for you to do well in Darlington.
8:25Sure, sure. But not so badly that you can't come second because there's no fun up there at all. Even the best comedian from Darlington is finishing fourth in that because she took everything away from her. Yes. So Margaret Hilda Roberts, Grantham, what a hole. Now, she grew up above her parents' greengrocer's shop. And the family, the Roberts family, are staunch Methodists. And that's quite important. This is crucial. Yeah, because she's as Protestant as it gets, really. Well, it's interesting, or it's not, but I was going into the different denominations of Protestantism this morning. Right. Because I was sort of thinking, what is Methodism?
9:02Yes, it gets thrown around a lot. Yeah, and we're now getting into some pretty highly boring stuff on the different denominations of Protestantism. The thing about Protestantism, Catholicism, there's a more collective tradition, right? Protestantism is like, you can be as fucking nuts as you like. Yeah. You can go as hard as you want because you just make a new denomination. That's what I mean. It seems like there's a massive, there's a tree in Protestantism. You can keep just going, well, you're not fucking hardcore enough. I'm going to be even more boring. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to get up an hour earlier than you and I'm going to get a new denomination.
9:32It's like, it's bro podcasts getting up an hour earlier every time. Catholic is just like, we're sloppy, we nap in the day, we suck each other off and there's a paedophilia crisis. And Prostent's like, I'm getting up at 4am. I'm getting up at 3am. Bed, 3pm. Bed at 3pm. Well, you know. Separate beds. Separate beds. That's my new denomination, separate bedism. So Methodism is essentially, from what I can understand, it's that everyone has a chance of grace, but it's up to them to do it. It stresses free will. Pull yourself up by your robe straps. basically it's like you so whereas presbyterianism which is calvinist would say that everything's fucked well calvin is it is presbyterian is a branch of calvinism but calvinism is fucking hardcore isn't it yes calvin's like it's already everything's gonna that's gonna happen it's gonna always happen right everything's fucked it's predestined it's predestined yeah everything's fucked so so there's no point having fun because it's fucked yeah it's predestined you're predestined to not have fun and presbyterianism comes out of that but what's funny about calvinism is that it's everything's predestined but they don't use that opportunity to be like yolo fuck it yeah it's like it's all predestined so we're going to be really conservative it's sad yolo it's all predestined so let's just keep money tight what's your spending if you if you if you were loose with money that was predestined as well no so it's kind of confused i don't really understand but methodism stresses that it's all about free will and that grace is there for anyone if they choose to enact it.
11:02A lot of central beliefs in America are Methodists, right? Yes. And it makes sense, the American attitude, that sort of Protestant desire, American dream is quite, I think. Yeah, so what this essentially means is that Thatcher grows up in an environment where her religious upbringing tells her that being poor is a moral failing. Sure. Because everyone has the ability to get out of poverty. Yeah. Which, there may be some truth in that, but it completely... Got quite emotional there. sorry there's some truth i believe that i watch she's got emotional talking about how it's poor people's it's their fault sorry i've never she just articulates my belief so clearly poor people's fault that it's their fault sorry i'm sorry have you just gone up early some people are born so thick and stupid that they're smelly that it's their fault they're poor she just she just articulates my belief so strongly you know she's not the hero we wanted but she's the one that we need um she her point is is that you know i agree that i think anyone can work so hard to not be poor but her belief system completely discounts anything like structural or or like what we end up seeing is that her opinion of how the state what the state can offer yeah it's like just get out of the way and let it's up to you it's up to you do it yeah i'm gonna close that Like you fucking get on with it.
12:23And if you don't get on with it, it's your fault. Exactly. And it means you were never going to get on with it because you're a bad, lazy sicko. And you're not ever at the whims of bigger forces than yourself. No. Yeah. You know. She's a big, she's big into that Ayn Rand book. Yeah, of course. Atlas Shrugged, I think. She's written quite a few. The libertarian, like the Bible. That's like, yeah, ultra libertarian, which is basically just no state whatsoever. Nah, get out of the way. Yeah. Like no traffic lights. You work it out. Yeah. Seatbelts, nah. Motorway. Do you know what? We're not even going to put an arrow saying you're driving this way.
12:54You guys work it out between you. Build your own roads. Why not? Yeah. If you need them. Why do you need the States? If you need a road, where are you going? We'll build the road as you drive. Where are we putting our bins? I don't know. Fuck it. Just throw rubbish in your neighbours. Let him deal with it. It's his fault if he's got a garden full of rubbish. It's his moral veiling. So, for example, this is how religious, her religion kind of falters in her youth. She calculates that for angels to be able to fly, they would need a six foot breastbone. to support their wings. So she's a killjoy quite early on, I guess.
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15:40Do you? Yeah. i'm not getting that no yeah she was she's into some absolute filth you know she is look at it look at that fucking knowing smile absolute minx really i'm trying to work love oh look at her there look at christ chowing down the snake fucking hell so that's muriel thatcher older sister i'm at work can we stop showing pornography please now muriel thatcher had a jewish pen pal in vienna who escaped austria after the anchless now i don't know why you did why you know again we are it's a great policy angeles makes perfect sense of all hitler's policies that was the one to keep potentially it's maybe the fact she's jewish maybe i don't know but that's not the point the point is is that germany it's irrelevant she's jewish yes at this point it's irrelevant germany and austria are the same country okay yeah they the angeles i don't know why you're leaving after the angeles yeah i'm sure yeah he hasn't done anything yet angeles makes sense anyway so the Roberts family take her in and hearing about the treatment of the pen pals family by the Nazis Thatcher becomes vocally anti-Nazi so you know I get off the Thatcher train quite early actually you know she's not all good is what you're saying I think people are like oh what she did in the 80s what she did in the 30s was unconscionable you know she reportedly shouts at a man in her local chippy for complimenting Hitler you want to meet the man can i shake your hand can i can i can i put sorry can i just pay for his fish supper how do you can chip for me and get yourself one as well the gentleman at the back's paid for this
17:18i'll get those it's so funny to send to send someone some greasy chips across a bar that's not me what's interesting about thatcher's dad though is that he was a so he's a member of the rotary club he's a big part of the community right and he's taken a refugee in he's actually got quite in some ways progressive liberal politics well another big thing about methodism is is like social justice yeah but thatcher almost doesn't see that because it's all about the moral failure is up to you yeah and if you you should do it oh so brilliant i'm not helping with that but yeah yeah but but i think her dad is obviously uh much more into the social but it's interesting how he seems to be like quite altruistic yeah as a father and she looks like and also thatcher let's if we're going more into psychoanalysis the biggest daddy's girl in the world right she can't she can't stand her mom yeah because you can define people with what relationship they have which one's the the parent they're more defined by you know and she's so clearly yeah one of those women who loves the dad she said that after the age 15 she had nothing to say to her mother okay i mean that's fair enough yeah you've run out of things well i'm mummy so there's not enough room for two moments what on earth do we have to talk about now?
18:28Get out and fuck off. I'm done now. What should we have run out of things to say to my mum? That's not the point. Yeah. There's only so many things you say to say to your mum. Yeah. That's not how your relationship with your mum works. Milk. Wipe my ass. What are you still doing here? Fuck off. Fuck off. I'm done now. But she added it. She did a keen interest in science. And she accidentally created chlorine gas and gassed the science block while she was at Grantham girls school. In 1943, she attends the University of Oxford to study chemistry. She graduates with second class honours. She applied to work in imperial chemical industries, but was rejected after the recruiters found her to be, quote, headstrong, obstinate, and dangerously self-opinionated.
19:13I mean, in the 40s, having a woman like that. Dangerously self-opinionated. In the 49s, she was named as the Tory candidate for the Labour safe seat, Dartford. Now, during this time, she meets one of the great characters of the series, Dennis Thatcher. right margaret was like his woke puppet in a way that was the acceptable face of the marriage right well what's so funny yeah is that thatcher is the you know dennis thatcher is his opinions are like backbench stuff yeah and when you see how extreme margaret is yeah you're like okay dennis rain it rain it she's coming back home and to dennis yeah basically doubling down they had to not he was only allowed to smile and like nod yes he's a sweet man because he had he was pro uh whites in Rhodesia.
19:53He was pro-Apartheid. He, at one point in the 80s during an election campaign, she gets questioned a lot about the Falklands. Yeah. And he then says that we were stitched up by BBC puffs and trots. So he's addicted to being on the right side of history. Yeah. Yeah. BBC puffs and trots. Puffs and trots. To be fair. I mean, that's how you describe it. That's how I describe it. Full of puffs and trots. Puffs and trots. There's trots guy puffs at the beep.
20:22She describes Dennis as, quote, not a very attractive creature, but very reserved. Dennis was a divorcee, and she falls out with her dad over her love for him. Because of the divorcee thing. I guess so. I don't really know. Maybe also because Dennis was probably quite a salty dinner conversationalist. These are Africans. What are they doing? I've been to this. So you've got a Jew in your attic, right? So in the 50s, Thatcher was working for Jay Lyons & Co., which is a confectionery thing. and there's a big myth there's an urban myth that she basically made soft serve ice cream Mr Whippy but it's interesting how potentially it was done by leftists to get her but it sounds it seems like a compliment that she'd come up with something that long lasting the whole idea was basically that it's taking putting air into actual ice cream and making it more profitable I mean leftist jokes aren't that funny are they because you made the quality of the ice cream less just like you've done with the trains bunch of trotskis puffs say that again you trotskis puff that's what dennis is saying let's check in with whatever dennis is saying throughout the series um now uh she she enters politics in sort of the 50s in 1953 she gives birth to twins carol and mark obviously she's already got a pair of puppies up top they are born prematurely and we will discuss uh what dennis does during the birth on the Patreon when we talk about Thatcher's children.
21:48But she decides to not run in the 55 election because she just had the kids. In 59, she runs for candidacy in Finchley and she wins. So she's in the House of Commons in the 50s. She's in. She's in. The floodgates are open now. From this point on, it's just women everywhere. Yeah, how many women are in the House of Commons at this point? In the 50s. In 59. Let's have a look. I think Attlee got a couple of birds in. Let the dog see the rabbit. There were 25 women MPs out of... So 4%. 4%. And what is it now, Charlie? I don't even want to see. I don't even. We've gone 40. Christ. Tenfold. Tenfold.
22:26Dangerous. The West has fallen. Now, in 1961, she goes against the Tory government of the day to vote in favour of restoring Birching as corporal punishment. Caning. Birchers. Not Birchers, Birching. Thank you, Charlie. She definitely was not restoring Birchers. Now, Macmillan promotes her to the front bench as Secretary of the Ministry of Pensions. It makes sense. That she's on the bench. That she's on the bench. Christ. It makes sense that Macmillan, you know, the first cuck prime minister, elects a strong woman. He loves it. He loves it. That's his mortal failing, right? It's his love of strong women who wear strap-ons.
23:04Exactly. She's the first woman in history to hold the post. 66, she's promoted to the Shadow Treasury team. now 68 uh she draws criticism for her response to enoch powell's um rivers of blood speech where she basically says the type of faming with much blood which she basically says i agree with the sentiment but he used his poor choice of words uh which is not the criticism i think you're meant to make no i don't think so yeah you're meant to say what a beautifully articulated bad idea because he actually articulated very well yeah to be honest yeah it's poetry it's undeniably well written it's just very racist poetry he shouldn't be like yeah i just think he could have ordered i would have said i reckon you could be a bit more blunt you know i didn't really understand what you meant but i i don't so throughout the whole her whole career accusations of racism kind of dog her yes now in 1970 thatcher becomes education secretary in edward heath the goat government and this position was seen as a quote safe department for a woman to run yeah uh heath would only have one woman in the cabinet of course no one hates women more than heath heath is the goat he doesn't see women what are you who's around the cabinet table right the first thing we need to actually get someone to be education secretary yeah and he's yeah and he's like everyone's like well margaret's there he's like there's an empty there's an empty chair next to the energy where's our secretary she supports the continued running of grammar schools which was a big thing at this point.
24:32And this is where we get her first nickname. She's a woman of many nicknames. Well, grammar schools are very Thatcher, right? Because they sort of pull yourself up by your brain straps. By your what? By your brain straps. Yeah, pull yourself up by your brain. Margaret Thatcher, as Education Secretary, she abolishes free school milk for children aged 7 to 11, brackets, except in case of disability. Well, how far is the disability going? I don't think it's ADHD. Right. Nowadays, obviously, everyone's got milk. a bloated state now everyone's got milk can we just see what were the parameters of disability to still get milk and Thatcher I want to know is Thatcher taking milk away from quadriplegic I mean this is a big, this is her first big controversy with the nation right she breaks through everyone hates her for this, I think the image of having the most powerful woman in the country at the time right, she's the only cabinet the imagery of her taking milk away it's so far removed from what a woman should be doing yes which is giving milk it's attendance at a special school yep so you would have been fine yep yep and you still get milk we give you milk every record i love milk yeah but we don't pay him though no i get paid in milk you get paid in whole milk you need a certificate you need to go to a special school so it's basically like she is in she's kind of the opposite of marcus rashford yeah she's get those kids off the milk but it was a huge backlash thatcher thatcher the milk snatcher that was the the big and it's very you know it's um people would say it's a misogynist there's a huge element of that though yeah in the same way that people go it's just not how anyone had viewed women before no getting into power to take milk away it's just so there's something so like almost freudian about you can't be throughout our whole career i think thatcher symbolically represents so much there's there's a weird sexual tension between her and scargill i feel oh yeah there's just the fact that a woman's doing this to like traditionally masculine parts of the country I'm sorry, you can't be that fit walking around with those airbags and taking milk away.
26:32Is it airbags? People call them fun bags, what do you mean? Whatever, whatever they are. Airbags. Yeah, because I want to just slam my head into it. I want to slam on the brakes and just poof. I want to get a big powdery face. I want to hit a lamppost and smash my face into Thatcher's airbags. And you can quote me on that. I'll stand by that, your honour. so she gets called Thatcher the milk snatcher and it's a huge like the press go mad with it for weeks and it almost makes her sorry I'm choking up almost makes her almost makes her really important turning into Jordan Peterson it's just a tragedy sorry of all the series we've done these young men of all the series we've done this is the one I want this is the one I don't I care the most about yeah of course almost think we shouldn't really be making fun of it it's mummy it's mother mother dearest the public backlash almost made her leave politics and she says this is crucial this is kind of her origin myth she learns a valuable lesson quote i had incurred the maximum of political odium for the minimum of political benefit okay but basically that's how people spoke about that basically means fuck it yeah uh she becomes entrenched but what i think is interesting is that the way that the left deal with people on the right who they don't like is attacking them so much and trying to destroy their character but a lot of time that entrenches them right that would jk rowling right yes they could put a head above the parapet the left made such an attack on her that she became mentaler and mentaler yeah and i think a lot of people think if you just keep trying to attack someone it will wear them down but a lot of the time these type of people it just entrenches them and makes them what go way more radical and she's now she seems to thrive in uh in a conflict yes so she's constantly looking for an enemy to have conflict with now 1975 thatcher beats heath for the tory leadership which uh forces him to go on the longest sulk in history which we talked about on our in our heath episode yeah we should place this really shouldn't we should we place her becoming leader 75 25 so 1975 this is um it's before the berlin wall uh falls down and it is after the bottom walls put up fine no lovely stuff let's get on with it um that's a that's a great placing it's bang in the middle bang in the middle take all the fun out of the game we've got too much history to cover the the burly it's halfway through the burly maul's life um i wonder if that was powder jelly invented i wonder if that woman has married the burly wall yeah you know there's a woman who married the burly wall i didn't know that uh there's a woman who married yeah are they still together i think she's lost her husband 1979 just before okay just before she married the burden wall anyway so uh she beats uh she beats heath now she's supported mainly by right-wing tories and southern english members yeah she becomes the opposition during wilson uh wilson's second term uh you can hear our take on that in our episode of course stop pegging granddad which is kind of that that's the gist of it yeah So she's one of the few conservative MPs who vote in favour of decriminalising homosexuality in 1966.
29:40Which people thought was woke. But you're looking back at it, you're like, oh. Yeah. But... She comes back with a vengeance in the 80s. But she's actually trying to do it. She still thinks it's a moral sin. Yes. So she's not doing it from like a woke angle. I think she's doing it just as a practicality. Oh, so she wants to decriminalise homosexuality because they don't need prison. So they can send to the doctors. They need to go to the doctors to get conversion therapy. Right, right, right. So yeah, even though she... Yeah. she does it in the least woke way possible it's that thing where whenever you ask someone the second question you go oh right okay yeah I don't think they should be banged up oh that's why you can't just look at voting records you just have to dig a little deeper because they don't need prison because they'd love that because they'll just fuck everyone they need actual they need therapy every time oh drop the soap again no slippery hands these guys anyway we'll talk more about section 28 obviously when we get to it she legalizes abortion she bans hair coursing she likes to retain capital punishment um she's against scottish devolution yeah now in 1976 she gives a speech called brisson awake warning of socialism and communism because she fucking hates the commies yeah i mean this is the height of the cold war yeah yeah this is the height of the cold war she claims the ussr is bent on world domination she calls on prison to wake from a long sleep of state socialism mummy is trying to shake us awake from our big nap yeah wake us up we've Got school in the morning.
31:00Daddy's a socialist and she hates dad. Hit a gong. We had a gong at the bottom of our stairs that my mum would hit because I was in the attic. Hit the gong to get me up. Or children of divorce, you'll know the way that your mother will talk about your father. She gets a couple of glasses down her. Oh, I lost years to that man. That's what she's saying about Attlee, right? And his socialism, you know? And then what's his dad saying about, what's Attlee saying about Thatcher? Well, this, Attlee, because he's a cuck dad, is constantly trying to see both sides of the story right and this is why he's getting fucked yeah you know uh so she calls on britain to wake up and in response uh i think it's a soviet uh newspaper report that calls her the iron lady trying to slack her off yeah and it's like that's one of the worst ever it's badass yeah and it sticks slaps this before she even made it to power she gets called the iron lady she's in opposition yeah so if you're if you're at this point what is it callaghan yeah or wilson yeah and she called her the ironing lady that would have that would have been a lot more damaging.
31:57Maybe it was Chinese whispers. That lady needs for ironing. What is it, Charlie? So if she's the iron lady, I could be like the lead boy and you can be... You're the lead poisoning boy. You've got lead poisoning. And you're the aluminium man. Is this the... Uncle Zinc. I'm Teflon. Uncle Zinc. Uncle Zinc. Do you want to explain that? No, I can't explain it. You're meant to take Zinc, isn't it? It's good for... It stops getting cold. Uncle Zinc. Friendly Uncle Zinc. He's always there. He's always there for you. he's always there Uncle Zink so we get to the winter of discontent which we covered again I shouldn't have to keep reminding you there is 10 hours of painful almost like like a sort of defensive snooker match of a series that you can listen to but the winter of discontent labour strikes grave diggers on strike corpses rotting grave digger what grave digger please no not having any of that he's not having any of that.
32:58These grave diggers be tripping. Yeah? No, he's not having it. He's got all red. In 79... Is that about shagging dead people? Sorry? No. It's implying the N-word, Charlie. Lead poisoning boy. Shagging dead people. Savile at this time is shagging dead people. That's a very good point. What's Savile up to in 79? During the grave digger crisis. Uh-oh. Not crisis for Jimmy. No. Christmas came early for Jimmy. Otherwise, winter of discontent. I thought it was Savile's Christmas. Oh, you can't leave him out like that. Oh, what if you're going to leave? You're going to finish that? Fucking hell. And we're going to fuck that?
33:39And we're going to fuck that? I'm only human. I'm just flesh and blood. These guys aren't me. I'm only a pedo. What's Savile doing in 79, Charlie? He's up to no good, I reckon. Sure. No, not Jimmy. No, no, no. He's a knight of the realm. Yeah, he's a, yeah. The charity work. Simultaneously. under an extensive prolific and widespread for his prolific widespread sexual abuse. Right. Allegedly. Yeah. We must say that. Jim will fix it starts in 75. We don't want to get it round that, you know, because we don't know if he did any of that stuff, right? We can't know. All we'll say is that the rumours about Sir James Savile begin.
34:15Anyway. I just don't believe that this guy could have done any of that. Look at him. Look at him. There's no way that that guy did any of that stuff. No, come on. He's a charity worker. He's a knight of the realm. He's like a friendly granddad. Why has he got such a regal haircut if he's a super nice? Are you telling me this guy's a paedophile? No. You're having a laugh. Look, his eyes are perfectly normally close together. He's got a very lovely endearing smile. He dresses like, he doesn't dress like a paedophile at all. No, no. He dresses like a cartoon of an upstanding citizen. Anyway, I reckon he had an absolute field day during the winter discontent.
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38:32I must remember that I'm unveiling a bust of Margaret Thatcher on Not Margaret Thatcher's Bust. Macmillan. Keep it together, lad. Not like Macmillan's bust. What, so just pulling down a... Oh, right, yeah, of course. Oh, yeah, Charlie, what's this you found again? This is Margaret Thatcher and a pig. A pig is climbing out of her tummy, and she's got her airbags out. And you can see her nipples made of copper. Yeah, and so where is this statue? Because you show this a lot on tour. Don't know. Why was this? Yeah, I wonder why this is commissioned. I guess calling her a pig. Yeah, I don't know if it's a positive depiction.
39:09It can't be really. And there's a bit of leg on her. There's a bit of wood on her leg. She's kind of like a pirate pig lady. Now, Thatcher entered office in 79. The state of the country is bad. 20 % inflation rate, one and a half million unemployed. she sees in her cabinets a divide between who she calls the wets and the dries are you wet excuse me sorry you wet or dry i'm dry currently you wet or dry charlie i'm moist what about you oh yeah i'm i'm sodden so uh in her cabinet thatcher sees weak men and they are all men basically yeah as wets and lacking a stance right so they're basically heath followers of heath she hate centrism one nation conservatism yeah we've had 30 years of compromise yeah and back and polite everyone's wearing suits everyone went to the same school it's wet it's soggy nothing's happening yeah uh people are going to compromise with the unions basically that's all heath a lot of his government was getting around the table yeah work something out the one nation not you who are you i don't see you they don't agree the wets with thatcher's extent of public spending cuts because she wants to just fucking get rid of all yeah don't need it privatize it fuck it yeah Let them work it out.
40:26Yeah. They'll sort it out. They'll sort it out, I believe. And if they don't, it's their fault because they're thick and poor. Yeah. Which is the same thing to my mind. Yeah. So even within the wets, you've got the inner wets and the outer wets. Now, that is absolutely gross. It's too visceral, the wet and dry image, I think. It's particularly for a woman. The milk snatcher, my inner and my outer wets. Fucking hell, Margaret. Can you stop being so fucking horny all the time? Margaret Thatcher shuffles the cabinet and demotes the prominent wets. Now in 79, Thatcher visits Japan. Thatcher in Japan, interesting.
41:03Thatcher in Japan. And the Japanese had not hosted many female leaders and so they arranged for Margaret Thatcher to be escorted by 20 female karate experts. They're like, I don't know, is this, I don't know. Is this going to go? Is this what they want? In response, the cabinet secretary tells the Japanese, Mrs. Thatcher will attend the summit as prime minister and not as a woman per se. The Prime Minister would like to be treated in exactly the same manner as the other visiting heads of delegation. If other delegation leaders, for example, each being assigned 20 karate gentlemen, the Prime Minister would have no objection to this.
41:31She does not wish to be singled out. That's probably fair enough. Yeah. Like everyone else has bodyguards and she's got 20 women who are going, Hi-ya! Hi-ya! That's where they're going. But to be fair, I guess Gaddafi, that's a Gaddafi move, isn't it? It is. 20 female bodyguards. Yes, but yeah. It's pretty cool. He's doing it because it turns them on. No, he's doing it because no one's going to shoot at him because they'll get a boner because of how fit the bodyguards are. Now we get to Thatcher's big, her big policy, which is monetarism. It's basically saying that inflation is worse than unemployment.
42:04That's her core belief. That's the split. Consensual, at the politics, unemployment is the biggest thing. Partly coming out of the Great Depression and at that time, that's what won you elections. That's it, but Thatcher barely were members of the Great Depression. And all the consensus politicians before that, they all have this sort of scar tissue of the great depression lines outside the job center wheelbarrows full of money yeah all that stuff and that is the number one thing they're trying to avoid whereas for thatcher she goes i reckon i'm gonna if people if there's like four million unemployed it doesn't matter if for the majority of people who can work and are earning money uh if they as a consumer they feel like they're getting banged for their buck and they can spend money then i'm so i'm basically going to say that they're gonna be winners and losers yeah that's what she decides britain be shopping britain be shopping as andrew mar says that the this whole period 45 to onwards is the victory of shopping over politics and it takes a woman to to love shopping they love shopping women be shopping that's our take on that true is women be shopping so so they made it they basically she basically made us all chicks yes she turns a country of minors into a country of annoying women you know this is new money now this is the invention of new money yeah before that you can buy anything yeah before it was like well you'll never get that you had to take a thousand years to get that yeah yeah yeah everyone's got a price fuck it turns out some yobby people from the south eastern now buy a hunting estate yeah and they're like they're doing it in drag sure you know um she she cheapens it basically she she was the country um so she enacts the privatization of industries that until this point had been nationalized british aerospace tv gas and electricity trains british steel british airways they're all sold to private companies she sells off the family silver exactly and she raises a lot of money but the other thing you would raise a lot of money selling everything that we yeah but the other thing that never gets talked about is that um north sea oil comes at this point huge thing and the country ends up doing well they strike they find oil in the 70s maybe and they start mining it and we've got no resources as a country no so we finally get that it's just a complete gift floods in and also the technology for how they get it out is amazing i mean i don't understand it but um was it radical technology or is that just how anyone else it's the most fucked part of the north sea right and they're drilling under it sure yeah anyway so that's a huge windfall that when the economy is on its you know yeah in a storm it pumps a lot of money back yeah if you look at how saudi whole economy's built an oil norway like yeah if you hit strike oil it can build a whole economy but you would you not agree because now we've got no oil left we've used all of it right uh have we pretty much like the north it's basically financially pretty much all gone and we sort of fuck the money away well the problem is if you because of the privatization of thatcher it means that money just kind of goes back into private hands and then it eventually dissipates it's not used for long-term infrastructure projects no but that money could have been used for rails for like i don't know if xi jinping was doing it if you're xi pilled yeah you know then you would do that for kind of uh projects that affect all people right as opposed to it just going away into private hands that could the money could go globally to anyone yeah yeah the french people who own the fucking rails now so but what you would say what people say is that like if it if it wasn't for north sea oil then thatcher's cuts would have been way worse and she's able to sort of weather that storm also it's worth saying how bad the economy was at the beginning of thatcher's yeah and she makes it even worse we talk about 74 is the worst year in british history it's probably the worst year in british political history yes But probably the worst year for everyone out on the street was like 81.
45:52Yeah. At the beginning of Thatcher, actually, it gets worse than the 70s. So employment in manufacturing decreases by 20 % in her first term. It's already fucked, and now it's gone down 20%. By 83, 3.2 million people are unemployed nationally. Yeah. Right? So this is all about monetarism and the teachings of Milton Friedman. I can hear the pussies twitching through. They're getting onto monetarism and Milton Friedman. Yeah. women are wet now now any documentary about the state of where we are now yeah it all sort of starts here right milton it's like thatcher uh friedman when margaret milton fucking reagan yeah so interest rates are 17 in 79 so basically she starts privatizing everything she loses manufacturing essentially is decimated within two or three years this is kind of her policies her application of monetarism, individualism, moral absolutism, you're poor because you deserve to be because you're thick.
46:49That is what becomes known as Thatcherism. And in 1980s, so barely a year after taking power, there's lots of pressure in the government for her to repeal these policies. She's basically doing what Truss did, but it's affecting the working class, not the middle class. Right. And Truss is even fitter than Thatcher. Okay. So, you know. You said that as if that's like a really interesting point. What was the point? Tross is even fitter than Thatcher you said you're saying that like oh it's a history podcast okay what we have to remember is that Thatcher is interesting yeah Thatcher is operating in a world where we thought that was the fittest the Prime Minister could be I see and then there's a paradigm and Tross took that and she smashed that ceiling right there's a pussy dick shift excuse me paradigm shift sorry yeah yeah that in no way does that work a pussy dick shift um uh now in 1980 after pressuring the government to repeal her policies thatcher states you turn if you want to this lady's not for turning because i peg you you don't fuck me yeah that's what i think she meant yeah but she thrives uh uh in when she's in a conflict with something she has to have an enemy she has to that she's a wartime uh prime minister the whole time yeah So even when we're not at war, her war is against fucking...
48:07Thickos. Thickos, old industry. Yeah. You know, the old way of doing it, Keynesianism. She always has to have some enemy. So this leads to riots all over England in 1981. The biggest ones are in Brixton, Toxteth in Liverpool, Mossside, Chapel Town in Leeds. They become because the unemployment rate is so high and public funding has been slashed. So inner city deprivation is as bad as it sort of gets. the government expands the Vagrancy Act of 1824 to increase stop and search powers for the police, which basically this gets enacted along with black men and minority communities. They then call them race riots.
48:46In Brixton, 82 people are arrested. I think it's Toxteth. They kill, the police kill a disabled man, I think. You shouldn't be doing that, I reckon. No, that's bad for him. Well, it depends what he was doing. We don't know what he was doing. There's hundreds, thousands of arrests. However, despite public cuts and privatization, productivity in metal, motor vehicles, and shipmaking increases in the first seven years of a government. She moved to limit the power of unions through legislation which bans closed shop, which is a workplace where employees must have known as a trade union to be employed there.
49:20She makes unions responsible for damage. She bans sympathy strikes. In 1980, she enacts the Right to Buy Housing Act. That's a big thing. It's a huge deal. Yeah, it's a huge deal. but back on the unions it does feel like it is important with the context because the unions is a big contentious issue with the thatcher yeah era but they did have the country by the balls yes so it's the way she did it was obviously so unnecessarily brutal but it is coming off the back of the 70s where the way even the unions were acting were completely unreasonable i thought in the 70s they just had the whole country at a standstill and what they were asking for what they didn't realize basically is because they were asking so much they got so much less yes if they had been able to compromise the unions were run by people who just wanted anarchy yeah and like like people people that you'd call communists right right they were mad yeah and so it needed it basically it was a it was a it was mad marxist yeah and a fucking powerhouse you know and the two incredibly stubborn people who had no the end of consensual politics in any form so the right to buy allows thick people to buy their homes i mean would you would we not agree that this is this is a terrible disaster a policy right this is why we're in the housing well now right well uh the policy might have been fine but it needed to come with some side dishes that they never did right build more houses yeah build more social houses because what it basically means is that it fucks all council houses well or you could say it makes one and a half million people homeowners so it lifts people into a middle class bracket they wouldn't have been right okay but it also is the reason why we have no housing stock now because now it can just kind of yeah it's privatised it keeps going up there's no like control of house prices yeah something they probably should get rid of is the green belt of London I think we are we just have to accept that brown belt yeah we just have to accept that London that whole area is fucked you've got to let it grow yeah because everyone's just no one can fit in it anymore no it's got to keep growing just make everything Croydon yeah fuck it fuck it okay they're not even great fields out just outside london anyway no and also just make like basically down to worthing make it croy come on it's already it's already a shit show come on you know i think hampshire could be croydon frankly i think leave the south downs but up until there yeah the surrey hills is nice as well but um yeah fuck it just make croydon bigger so in 1981 we get to bobby sands right now we are we'll probably do a big thing on him not bobby schmurder who's that he's a rapper right okay what controversy did Bobby Schmurder have he was on Hunger Strike I think wasn't he was he yeah I don't know if he was doing Hunger Strike was he part of the IRA Bobby Schmurder now we will we have got in the diary we will be picking up our trouble series Bobby Sands I've been chomping at the bits talking about Bobby yeah the worst MP of all time your words yeah while you know people were writing in about the potholes in his local area what's he doing smearing his shit in the walls he's wiping his ass on the walls it's not a good the optics are bad for Bobby if you are in if you are in his constituency the optics are bad you've been let down yeah you have been by your elected official by the system the system does not work for you you know in 2008 we had a whole thing where like let them eat poo you know 2008 the hedonism of this man you're who the fuck are you Caligula wiping your shit in the walls while there's potholes well we're struggling I need my bins taking out yeah look there were there were definitely some oversight He could have done better.
52:51By his tenure. He could have delegated some of the local issues whilst he was smearing poo on the wall. Bobby poo on his hands. He's got poo on his hands. Bobby poo on his hands. Yeah. They said Thatcher's had blood on her hands. Well, you've got bloody poo on your hands. That's what she should have said. Yeah. You've got blood on your hands, Thatcher. Well, you've got poo on your hands. You've got shit everywhere. But a brief overview of the Bobby Sands thing just... Yeah. He refuses food. He's in prison. Because he wants to be taken, seen as a political prisoner as opposed to like a domestic terrorist.
53:21And she, now, well. This is what happens. If you ever try and compromise with Thatcher though, she doubles down. Yeah. And to be honest, she always comes out on top. That is her great skill. Yeah. Is that in any clash like this, you will end up losing. And what she's very good at is articulating things that shuts down the conversation. Yeah. And politicians don't do this anymore. They backtrack and they prevaricate and she has such absolutist moral clarity in her words that she just shuts things down, even when, you know, she's ultimate. She was an absolute monster in the House of Commons as well.
53:54She was a beast. She was an absolute beast. She was the nation's growler. Let loose. She was an unshaved growler, which is why when Blair comes in, Blair does get compared to Thatcher in some ways, but he's very still, he's high. He cares what people think about him too much. He cares a lot. Thatcher doesn't give a fuck. He does have a bit of the kind of heath in him of get around the table. Let's work this out. Come on, come on. roll our sleeves up finish things out come on come on so basically Bobby Sands thinks I'll go on hunger strike and you won't let me die and Thatcher just does and then don't ever try that with that if you're ever thinking oh she won't let me die I mean it's barbaric don't ever try that he died he died yep and then when she's when she's asked about it sorry Charlie's finding out Bobby Sands guy who just found out existed this is this is like as a as a politician right She says, Mr.
54:48Sands was a convicted criminal. He chose to take his own life. It was a choice that his organisation did not allow to many of its victims. I mean, that's a killer line. Bang. Who's next? Back down the ground. Next ball. Fuck off. Do you know what I mean? We're all going to starve ourselves. We don't care. Okay. Fuck it. I don't give a shit. Yeah. Boring. Boring. Bobby Sands is dead. Boring. Next. Yeah. I mean, fair play. Right. She knew what she thought. Now, Reagan gets elected in 81. and this is where, you know, the buddy cop starts. The music starts to change here. It's a little bit, it's sexy.
55:24Thatcher's hot under the collar. Ronnie and Max, the two bonded over their neoliberal philosophy and their hatred of communism. They speak over the phone, they speak, they write letters. Probably the best relationship a US president and a UK province has ever had. Yeah. Probably the most, like, personally, because there's a political marriage as well as being personally. that he really liked her. He just thought she was brilliant. Yeah. You know, they're on the phone and she'd be saying all these kind of like high conviction lines and he'd be like, she's brilliant. That's a great one. She's absolutely brilliant.
55:57But there are differences though because what's interesting, Thatcher's so detail orientated, right? Yeah. She stays up till fucking three in the morning working. She's over everything. And what I like about Reagan, he's, apart from maybe Trump, he's probably the least detail orientated president there's ever been. Yeah. He doesn't really, he reads like, Reader's Digest but he also he frames the entire world as good v evil yeah because he is as simple as possible yeah he's like a dyslexic president basically but Thatcher thinks that as well he makes everything as simple as possible they both have very simple world views yeah but they also they both arm the Khmer Rouge great stuff I mean that's a great that's a great date night isn't it yeah that is what should we do tonight I don't know there's just something to get you know Bonnie and Clyde I don't know fuck it let's arm the Khmer Rouge Let's give those guys some more guns.
56:45See what they do. Fuck it. What's the worst that could happen? Their closeness leads Margaret Thatcher to speak on behalf of the two of them, saying Ron and I think. However, there was tension. Do you think Dennis ever got insecure about Ronald? I don't know. I don't know. He doesn't strike me as a very insecure man. It's a pretty forthright opinion. He was a pretty salty pint, I reckon, Dennis Thatcher. He seems like someone who has never sat up right in his chair. He was leaning back and just fucking... He's always at 45 degree. I reckon I reckon back of the bus for them lot I reckon I reckon we should have our own water fountains actually anyway Dennis Thatcher at 4pm on Christmas day lethal yeah unreal get out of his ear get out of earshot he said the most raised thing you ever heard and then farting yeah Brussels sprouts farts after talking about bringing back apartheid to the UK more like apartheid anyway anyway anyway fucking turn that BBC put stuff off.
57:43Get those Trotsky like puffs off my telly. Thatcher's first term. We can't stress how this is like a disaster for her so far. It's tantric trust. There's probably been never been a more hated prime minister at this stage. In late 1981 opinion polls show her personal satisfaction rating is a record low of 23%. Now the Labour Party is led by Michael Foote at this point. An absolute crackers far leftist. Yeah. Yes. he's still a civilized man i think oh yeah but i was in i mean politically it was politically yeah you couldn't have picked a worse a worse opponent now conservatives are third behind the labor party and the new uh liberal sdp alliance uh it looks like she's thatcher is gonna be that bloody woman this one term we'll never do it again flashing a pat we tried something it's not bloody mary yeah yeah tried something it's not worked yeah we've right oh the blokes couldn't sort it out we try to let you someone because they're fit it's not worked get rid of her but then 8 000 miles away a group of argentinians put a flag up on a largely uninhabited rock and you won't believe what happens next uh in our next episode we will start a little babushka miniseries yeah on the funniest conflict there's ever been the strangest conflict there's ever been maybe the Falklands war that episode is already on our patron along with the entirety of this six part series for three pounds a month you can get instant access to series watch it all ad free and throughout this Christmas period why not delve into our treasure trove of bonus episodes I mean your family must be pissing you off at this stage they must surely ignore them go upstairs lock in we've got a huge archive get focused on the life of Prince Andrew in two parts yeah get focused appear in the next episode He does appear in the next series.
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In 1979 Britain had unemployment fever, and then Margaret Mummy Thatcher came along and gave us so much calpol we OD’d.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Mummy’s home
06:53 - Margret Hilda Roberts
11:45 - Thatchers woke dad
15:13 - Dangerously self-opinionated
18:05 - The flood gates have opened
21:13 - Milk snatcher
24:50 - Thatcher as party leader
27:06 - Iron Lady
31:22 - First female PM, are you wet?
35:43 - Britain be shopping
39:43 - Thatcherism
45:32 - Bobby Sands
49:02 - Ronnie and Mags
51:46 - Not looking good until…
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