“Stop Pegging Grandad!”: Harold Wilson (Part 2) | Post War British Prime Ministers, 1945-1979

29 Sep 2025 · 1 h 5 min · 31 chapters

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In short

Harold Wilson’s second term (1974–76), framed as Britain’s “crisis year” amid the three-day week, two general elections in 1974, labour’s tenuous majorities, and Wilson’s paranoia and control battles—especially with his private secretary Marcia Williams—while Northern Ireland and union power dominate policy.

Guests

No named guests appear in the transcript. The episode is hosted by the two regular hosts (one repeatedly referred to as “Charlie” and another as “Ratio Gold”), plus an off-mic “guy” who contributes conspiracy-style commentary early on.

Key claims

Heath and Wilson are portrayed as a repeated “grudge match” across four elections; 1974 produces hung parliament, then a minority Labour government, then another election giving Labour a small majority. Wilson is depicted as increasingly paranoid (MI5/KGB fears), drinking heavily, and being effectively managed at Downing Street by Marcia Williams, including lunch arrangements and public confrontations.

Notable examples

the “whitebait” lunch incident; Marcia shouting “you little cunt” at Wilson in front of staff; the “Doomsday” plan for Northern Ireland; the alleged MI5 interference and burglaries (including a stolen grandfather clock); the October 1974 election result (319 seats, majority of three).

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The Downfall of Britain in 1974

0:03 to 0:30

Explore the challenges faced by Britain during Harold Wilson's second term.

The Downfall of Britain in 1974

1:56 to 4:39

Explore the challenges faced by Britain during Harold Wilson's second term.

“We've gone from the rudest man ever to sit in office to the tiredest man.”

Cultural Reflections of 1974

4:39 to 7:36

Discuss various aspects of British culture and society in 1974.

“in 1976 where someone is ranting conspiracy theories about Harold Wilson right in his second term which is as we've said as funny as it gets.”

The Impact of Snooker on Society

7:36 to 12:47

Analyze how snooker became popular and its cultural significance.

“I still think the worst of everything we've had so far is puppies.”

The Impact of Snooker on Society

12:51 to 14:00

Analyze how snooker became popular and its cultural significance.

“Now, listen, if you're using public Wi-Fi, did you know you're at risk?”

Sexual Dynamics in Politics

14:00 to 14:28

Explore the humorous take on sexual dynamics and metaphors related to political figures.

“because less people want to have sex with you.”

Sexual Dynamics in Politics

15:11 to 15:33

Explore the humorous take on sexual dynamics and metaphors related to political figures.

“The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money.”

The Year of Two Elections

16:03 to 17:21

Learn about the political climate in Britain during the 1974 elections.

“get ronnie off get ronnie's dirty curry off yeah dirty curry Massive dirty curry.”

Harold Wilson's Kitchen Cabinet

17:21 to 19:12

Examine the inner workings of Harold Wilson's government and key figures.

“It's a telenovela written by a boring Yorkshire man.”

Marcia Williams and Lunch Politics

19:12 to 20:55

Discuss Marcia Williams's influence on Harold Wilson's political life and lunch choices.

“Marcia Williams is Wilson's private secretary and also basically his second wife.”
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British Cuisine and Political Symbolism

20:55 to 22:48

Explore the significance of traditional British meals in the political context of the time.

“Like he just can't, he can't feel like he can break the post-war consensus.”

The Chaos of 1974

22:48 to 24:57

Delve into the political chaos and economic decline in Britain during Harold Wilson's second term.

“Ted Heath is a very different Downing Street.”

Military Coup Discussions

24:57 to 28:00

Examine the whispers of military intervention amidst political turmoil in the 1970s.

“run in parallel to our economic decline yeah so um there's another great story where after the um unexpected election win.”

Military Perspectives on Governance

28:00 to 30:06

Discussion on General Walter Walker's views and the potential for military influence in politics.

“So he, Walter Walker does not have, he doesn't have modern sensibilities around gay rights, let's say.”

Wilson's Paranoia and Political Climate

30:06 to 31:08

Exploration of Harold Wilson's paranoia amidst a turbulent political environment in 1974.

“1974, Heathrow gets taken over by the military.”

Alcohol and Productivity in Politics

31:08 to 34:09

A humorous examination of how alcohol consumption affected political productivity in the 70s.

“He's getting absolutely cunted regularly.”

Alcohol and Productivity in Politics

34:21 to 35:02

A humorous examination of how alcohol consumption affected political productivity in the 70s.

“The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money.”

Wilson's Paranoia and KGB Allegations

35:02 to 36:52

Analysis of Wilson's growing paranoia and the KGB spy accusations against him.

“John Le Carr, which now that does kind of paint a portrait.”

Political Turmoil and Elections

36:52 to 37:55

Discussion on the political turmoil in Britain during Wilson's time and the significance of the 1974 elections.

“Wilson alleged that the grandfather clock was in the South African embassy, fearing his criticism of apartheid as a motivational factor.”

The Personal Struggles of Harold Wilson

37:55 to 40:00

Insights into Wilson's personal struggles, including his health and family life during his tenure.

“Wilson calls his second general election.”

Marcia Wilson's Influence

40:00 to 42:00

A humorous take on Marcia Wilson's influence and interactions with her husband, Harold Wilson.

“He had been a brilliantly articulate speaker.”

Marcia's Dominance and Controversial Outburst

42:00 to 44:20

Explore the dynamics of Marcia's relationship with Wilson and her confrontational behavior.

“I think the only person who could deal with Marcia are like a woman like that.”

The Dark Discussions of Political Aides

44:20 to 46:44

Discussion of aides contemplating extreme actions against Marcia and their implications.

Political Context and Wilson's Challenges

46:44 to 48:37

Insight into Wilson's political struggles during a turbulent time in Northern Ireland.

“of the sub-dom relationship because Charlie has experience in sex clubs.”

Wilson's EEC Referendum Decision

48:37 to 51:08

Understand Wilson's strategy regarding the EEC referendum and its historical significance.

“I think that this has been overdrawn and exaggerated simply because I was a woman.”

Wilson's Personal Struggles and Relationships

51:08 to 53:24

Explore Wilson's personal life, including his affairs and emotional state.

“1975 was the first year that the Britain's population fell.”

Cultural Reflections on Consent and Political History

53:24 to 55:10

A humorous discussion on the concept of consent in different cultures and its historical context.

“You know what the concept of a hobbit is?”

Unpacking Political Age of Consent Norms

55:10 to 56:00

A lighthearted yet insightful look into global age of consent laws and political implications.

“Okay, part 10 will be a bit delayed, guys.”

Cultural Perspectives on Consent

56:00 to 58:20

Explore the cultural differences and legal aspects surrounding age of consent in various countries.

“I heard that in Italy, there's no agent consent.”

Harold Wilson's Political Challenges

58:20 to 1:02:38

Discussing Harold Wilson's resignation and the struggles of leadership during turbulent times.

“I guess the closest is Teresa, but then she got forced out.”

The Legacy of Harold Wilson

1:02:38 to 1:04:29

Analyzing Wilson's legacy, his impact on the Labour Party, and the state of the UK economy.

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1:43welcome back to fit versus history we are fucked i'm here with the ratio gold this is part nine nine of our post-war british prime minister series it's all gone to shit it's gone to fucking shit yeah this country's in the toilet we are podcasting live from the bottom of the toilet this is a special episode live from paris which is now britain unbelievably 40 years ago this country had the biggest empire the world had ever seen yeah and now we don't even have a fucking working toilet the toilet you know when you're in the toilet yeah and uh it's automatic light and you have to you're sat in the toilet doing this yeah that's britain in 1974 the humiliating reach the humiliating just could someone and you have to stand up with your trousers down and clap and your shitty arse pants between your legs waving at a like begging for some we are we're in her Harold Wilson second term which is as funny as it gets I think it's as funny as it gets Harold Wilson at this point I don't think there's a better before and after prime ministerial shots he's up there with Blair Charlie can you get a before Harold Wilson in 1964 1964 and then Howard Wilson in 1976.

2:54We've gone from the rudest man ever to sit in office to the tiredest man. Heath, I love you, baby. Heath, poor one out for Heath. I've fucking, I love Ed Heath. The nation's best. No one ever hated women more. No one's ever been a better misogynist than Heath. He's taught through misogyny. Beyond misogyny. Pushed through, what is beyond misogyny? Where do you go? They become invisible. They are invisible. Yeah. Heath does not see women. Howard Wilson is back for another stint. Yeah. 1974 is the crisis year. Yeah. Britain has two elections. Yeah. No one really wins either of them. No. How many times does Wilson go up against Heath?

3:31I think it's four. Four times that they face each other in elections. So Heath versus Wilson is the real grudge match. Yeah. That's fucking. It's two knackered heavyweights slugging each other. Yeah. And also when they say Harold Wilson, oh, he won four elections. He barely. Yeah. They're all like three, four. Yeah. In 66, he wins 60 seat majority. But apart from that, they're all... And from the white heat, vibrant kind of social reformer. Excuse me, big old bird. It works for part nine. Who's doing this? What podcast is doing a 10 part series? Yeah. I don't think anyone's going to see this and go like, we need to do that.

4:08You know what I got? When I set this up, someone who works with us said, do you think about part two? Does the only thing do as well as part ones? Yeah. What about part nine? who's still here who's still here I mean this is the kitchen afters isn't it this is very much the kitchen afters this is 5am the birds are tweeting and a guy who you don't remember when he arrived you don't know who he's friends with is now telling you who did 9-11 well no it's not it's telling you who he's telling you all about Harold Wilson's second government it's an afters in 1976 where someone is ranting conspiracy theories about Harold Wilson right in his second term which is as we've said as funny as it gets.

4:48Harold Wilson. Should we deal with the election or should we place where the country's at? Let's see where the country's at in 1974 as we've done through the series. Unemployment rate 3.6. House price over 10 grand. The blah, blah, blah. Christmas number one. Lonely this Christmas by Mudd. Yeah. It'll be lonely this Christmas. It's bleak time. Ted Heath has come on the TV saying just prepare for a rubbish Christmas. Christmas is going to be shit this year. Kung Fu Fighting. Getting cold for Christmas. Carl Douglas, I believe, did that. Man with the Golden Gun. We're into Roger Moore. Okay. Moore's about.

5:30Moore's about. Gay bond. We've got a gay bond. Yeah. This is what happens when you let the Labour into office. Yeah. That's like a text your dad would send you. Right. This is what happens when Labour gets in. Bond goes gay. Yeah. Roger Moore's here. Gay bond. That's why I don't vote Labour. Sorry? Mr. Bond. Thank you, Charlie. James Bummed more like the name's Bummed James Bummed doesn't really work doesn't work at all I just went in the spirit of trying to push through episode 9 I thought you know what I'm going to take whatever Charlie gives me I'm going to run with it Bummed I'm going to commit Bummed it's chucking Bummed would work better yeah Bummed is just like a German surname no Bummed Bummed James Bummed yeah I guess that works I don't think it works I think it's Bummed the name's Bummed no James Bummed Mr.

6:11Bummed Mr. Bummed because he's gay it works perfectly right Because he's gay. Shaking up my bum. Shaking up my burb. Just coming in. Well, we've already had jugs. Yeah, so what's slang for titties? We've hit titties. Again, Britain has run out of ideas. It's nothing new. This country's got nothing. Titties, fuck it. Oi, show us your titties. The destruction of the future. Yeah. No one has any new words. There's nothing left. You know, we started this series with people calling boobs chandeliers. And now they're just going, Tits. Alcune days. tits titties what what dugs dugs dugs gazongas but who's saying gazongas no one in 1970s saying gazongas but who's saying any headlights i like headlights look at the headlights on her you know when you're driving and someone does this in the mirror it's because your lamp sign on that's what they do i want to know the kind of fellow who's wearing gazongas gazongas yeah who's saying gazungas?

7:12I reckon a few of our fans are saying gazungas. Check out the gazungas on this. Shall we do the election? Hang on. We need to get... What's slang for growlers in 1974? Because again, this is... We're in the 70s. This is the era of the aggressive bush. Vaginas have never been so angry as in the 1970s. A hairy minge is going to come and be... Clunge. This is the clunge election. Clunge has come in. Clunge is in 74. Clunch has amazing staying power. I still think the worst of everything we've had so far is puppies. I think it's just disgusting. I have a theory that the more childlike the euphemism, the more disgusting it is, actually.

7:50So like, you know, cunt isn't as bad as... Well, because cunt's no nonsense. Puppies is fucking rapey as hell. Yeah. Show us your puppies, love. Oi, get your cunt out. It's unpretentious. Crisps were such a staple in 1974 that it survived the 1974 introduction of VAT. This is when VAT comes in. Really? Christ. What were they doing before? Well, they had no money. They're just searching for it. Why have we still got VAT? The lights are on now. So do other countries not do VAT? No. No, not everyone does VAT. And what is it? Is it just taxing everything? It's adding tax if you're earning over a certain amount or if the company is earning, you know.

8:32I don't fucking know. I don't care. So the 1974 election, and it feels like an election. Sorry, we need to look at who Jane Seymour and Brit Eklund, what they look like. Come on. Fit women through the ages. Miss England 74. That's Cathy Anders. Now is that white Miss England or black Miss England? From the South African perspective, this is how they play Miss World. Jane Seymour's an absolute smoke show. Not that one. That one is ugly as sin. Get her off my screen. Jane Seymour, the Bond girl, is gorgeous. And I think she's got a bit of Lorraine Kelly about her. She does have a Lorraine Kelly again.

9:01Can you tell how I'm excited? My cadence has increased. Young Jane Seymour, please. My heart rate's increased. I think she looks better with age, I think. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Better with AIDS? No. You know what they say? She just looks better with AIDS. Give her AIDS and she'll look a lot fitter. No. Yeah, I think Jane Seymour is an absolute smoke show now and then. English Rose, 74 elections. 74 elections. 1974 is an absolute crisis. Yeah. It's the closest this country ever gets to a military coup. Yes. It's Latin America. it's Greece as I've said it's the stuff you read about it happens here it happens here that it could happen here devastating to but we're shit at sport because normally if you're a third world country yeah you can it's through sport that you can you've got strikers with long hair that are doing step overs exactly and we don't even fucking qualify for the World Cup India's great at cricket fucking Brazil's great at football but we're shit we're getting shit at everything snooker snooker's about to get really big but no one else is playing snooker there's a canadian cliff thorburn cliff thorburn but this is a heart club they're like sex symbols the snooker players it's hilarious could we actually could we be talking about the fittest woman we should get up the the pinups type in um got snooker player 70s yeah the fact that this is what attracts women to snooker is this guy this is a male sex symbol uh they're all bad boys yeah Oh my God.

10:30I mean, Gods of Snooker is one of the great TV shows. Absolutely amazing. Highly recommended it. And it's all to do with colour TV. I didn't know that. Oh, because you see the green table and... They put snooker front and centre of the big switch to colour TV to promote, to advertise colour TV. Just because it's got... Because you can't watch snooker in black and white. Right. Famously. Yeah, snooker in black and white is rubbish. It's an anti-colourblind game, snooker. Yeah, yeah. So they promoted it to turn to colour TV in the late 60s. Right. Um, and so that's why it got so big. Yeah. And women.

11:03Also, hooliganism and we were shit at football. So people, people wanted an excuse to watch something that wasn't football. Women are frothing. They're changing. They got fizzy pants. They're in tight suits. They're leaning across the table. Cause it is. Yeah. It's so phallic. It's so phallic. They've got a long, thin cock and they're poking a ball. I mean, it is literally cock and balls. It is cock and balls. Cock and balls in a pocket. It's actually incredibly fucking crude. I'm fucking hot. I'm getting, I'm getting hot talking about snooker. Yeah. it's getting a long stick and potting a ball in a hole.

11:33And also, there's a cut chair because the whole point of snooker is that if you're the opposition, your guy just does 147 break or whatever. You don't get up. You don't get up. You just sat there and you have to watch him fuck the table. Yeah, you're Harold McMillan. You are Harold McMillan and that's my table. And he's like, yeah, I'm fucking your table. One of someone's favourite food is a quote, massive dirty curry. Hang on. Sorry. You can have a massive dirty fry up. I really didn't see curry coming. I mean, dirty curry. Dirty curry. You don't want to eat a dirty curry. That's going to give you the runs.

12:03Yeah, but what's a clean curry? Yeah, no one's eating clean curries. It's by very definition dirty. He says, quote, there's nothing like it after a snooker match. A dirty curry. Well, Ronnie fucking hates snooker. Yeah, he does. You know what I'm talking about snooker? Yeah, he does hate snooker. He says his advice, his big regret, the greatest snooker player ever, his biggest regret in life is getting into snooker. Yeah. He says, what a waste of time. If I waste my life. He was like, I wish I'd put myself, I wish I'd put my efforts into any other sport. Yeah. Because I'm inside all day. I'm the best at it.

12:34And what's it got me? No, no. It's a rubbish sport. It's rubbish. You know, if you look at the younger players coming through, they're not that good, really. Snooker's fucking great. Yeah, I love snooker. There's lawless. Right. Fellow historians, this podcast is sponsored by Surfshark. Yeah. Now, listen, if you're using public Wi-Fi, did you know you're at risk? Why? I don't know. Well, it's much like public toilets. Right. You're at risk of getting - Chlamydia, off the rim. Chlamydia, AIDS, everything. Yeah. Sexual diseases in the air, travel in the air. Right. So these are digital STDs. I think it's real.

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16:07Nothing better than dirty curry after a snooker match. What is it? Just the same as a curry, just you know the chef hasn't washed their hands. What's a dirty curry? Street food. Street food, deli. Anyway, right. 1974, the year of two elections. In the heat of the three-day week and the minor strikes, Heath calls an election to cement his place as prime minister and to try and win a mandate from the electorate. Who governs Britain? We talked about this. And they said, not you, brother. Not you, fuckface, you pedo. Yeah. not you you fucking nonce as we said Enoch Powell leaves the Conservatives in a huff and now the electorate deliver a hung parliament yeah Heath tries to form the lines with the Liberal Party under the dandiest Jeremy Thorpe yeah now we're doing a patron specific series on the Thorpe affair so this is one of the best the Liberals ever do yeah post war six million votes goes to the dandiest Jeremy Thorpe the openly gay yeah god there's a lot of fucking noncing around isn't there it's Britain in the 70s this is culturally we haven't really moved on the lights are out you can do whatever you want thank you it's a three day week what are you doing with the other four fucking kids it's where Britain's paedophile industrial complex begins our great export our great export so Thorpe wanted electoral reform the conservatives were unwilling to concede also he was in the midst of a very sticky affair where ultimately long story short a dog dies yeah he hides a hitman he hides a hitman to shoot a dog anyway that's on the Patreon we'll deal with Thorpe fair there but anyway labor form a minority government yeah heath is removed from number 10 love you teddy good night gone but not forgotten wherever you are i know you're looking up at us labor win 301 seats so they're governing you know it's a supply and demand we've got nothing wilson does not expect to be back in at this point he's got back in he's knackered he's absolutely fucking exhausted so the reason that 1974 is so funny is because the psychedrama that's going on behind number 10.

18:04It's a telenovela. Yeah. But it's Britain. Yeah. And it's not dramatic. Yeah. Right. So it's not glamorous. No. But it's very funny. It's incredibly funny. It's a kitchen sink drama. Yeah, it is. Literally. It's an Alan Bennett telenovela. That's what the Wilson second term is. It's a telenovela written by a boring Yorkshire man. Yeah, yeah. So Wilson governs with an intimate, small political circle who get termed the kitchen cabinet. Yeah. Joe Haynes, his press secretary, Bernard Donoghue is policy unit chief and Marcia Williams. Most importantly, Marcia Williams. Political secretary. Now she's fascinating.

18:39She is incredible. She's one of the great women. She's one of the great women. I, um, you know, I want to pay her her dues. We got it. And we very rarely pay women dues on this podcast. No, we very rarely pay Jews women. No, it goes both ways. Jews and women do not do well in this podcast. This is a wasp podcast for men, a wasp men podcast. Marcia Williams is an absolute boss level bitch. Yeah. And I say that with love. Yeah, well-behaved women don't make history. You're goddamn right. Marcia Williams. She's fucking naughty as hell. Marcia Williams might be the greatest prime minister we never had.

19:11Yeah. Marcia Williams is Wilson's private secretary and also basically his second wife. All these women saying, I'm a girl boss slave because they've got a big water bottle and they're a manager at a marketing company. Yeah. This is how you become a girl boss slave. Wilson had had, so he's married to Mary Wilson since the 30s. his childhood sweetheart. But Mary Wilson has no interest in politics. Yeah. She genuinely just doesn't give a shit about it. She thought he was going to live a quiet life as an academic. Yeah. He's a fusty academic. He's a nerd. Yeah. But now he's got a second term, she's even more angry.

19:43So you can imagine there's a sort of level of sexual neglect going on. Right? No interest in politics, no interest in Harold Wilson's penis. All right. And Harold's Wilson is not getting any. Marcia Williams had an affair with Harold Wilson back in the 50s. Right. right and so but in true marcia williams style she tells harold wilson's wife i went to bed with your husband six times in 1956 and it wasn't satisfactory i love her yeah absolutely the most powerful man in the country just getting absolutely fucking humiliated by his let's let's face it dominatrix yeah i mean there is a real sub-dom relationship going on um and it bear in mind the political context that Wilson's second term starts with the three-day week you know if they're in a doom spiral it's like me and the mince pies inflation just the mince pies aren't touching the sides at this point yeah one of the first main issues of government that they have to deal with is is who gets to eat lunch in Downing Street right lunch becomes the very political very political yeah they've got a lot of stuff that we become French for a second yeah exactly yeah genuinely we are because Wilson does not want to deal with the problems that the country has because they're intractable.

20:55Like he just can't, he can't feel like he can break the post-war consensus. So Marcia's presence during Wilson's meals caused so much disruption that aides negotiated a solution. Harold Wilson, the prime minister, was forced to eat lunch alone. Marcia would become enraged if she discovered he had dined with other aides. Yeah. So she's completely managing his whole political life. She's managing who gets to meet him. She gets absolutely livid if he ever goes against what she says. and he has to follow him everywhere yeah so there's a luncheon he's having with his aides and and marcia erupts when white bait is served yeah now because one thing we should say about harry wilson he's a fucking stone cold patriot yeah he he hates anything that's not yeah white carbs yeah like you know he's not having a dirty curry yeah he believes in patriotism he's a patriot he loves like charlie what can you just get what's the most british meal imaginable something like a prawn cocktail to start roast beef overboiled cabbage carrots peas Side of brown sauce just in case.

21:54Spot a dick for dessert. Type in more British. More British. Starter, a single slice of cold pork pie. Straight from the fridge. Piccadilly. A side of limp iceberg lettuce. Yeah. Full Sunday roast and full English breakfast mashed into one plate. Roast beef, Yorkshire pudds, fried egg, baked beans. For dessert, a jam roly-poly pudding drenched in custard. White bread and butter on the side. Yeah, come on. That's it. That's absolutely it. Type in more British see what happens. Type in more British. Bread and butter pudding. I fucking love bread and butter pudding. I'm not a fan. Really? No, I don't like it.

22:24You fucking traitor. Yeah, for me, it's too British for me. My plagiarism stops at bread and butter. Start at Jelly Deals. Jelly Deals, pickled egg from the jar in the pub that's been there since the 70s. Grey boiled beef. Boiled potatoes. Brussels sprouts boiled for 45 minutes. Bread sliced with margarine. All drowned in gravy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Wilson's fare. He loves it. marcia williams right kicks off at the white bait that's been served because she declares that she hates them for looking at her from the plate and then wilson says that they only came from a home for the blind he's a funny guy he's got some wit to marcia storms out in fury because of the joke because wilson then starts speaking to someone else yeah just no just purely because she's not being talked to by him um and so it's a very different downing street to what had been there two weeks it's down it's down it's down syndrome it's down syndrome 1974 is 10 down syndrome street genuinely because because all their only policy is about lunch yeah which is what and every day it'd be like is ice cream yet you know the covid briefings in down syndrome street uh it's free ice cream day but two weeks earlier sprinkles ted heath was in power who's the Minister for sprinkles.

23:48Minister for horses. Minister for sprinkles. Minister for cuddles. Minister for... We're streeting. Minister for bombing into a pool. Minister for cowboy hats. This is 10th Downing Street. Sorry, you were saying. Ted Heath. Ted Heath is a very different Downing Street. It's funny that it's happened within the same year. Yeah. You've had literally the same year. You've had 10th Downing Street where women are invisible. Yeah. Don't exist. You cannot see. he's walking through them yes to harold wilson's where women are dominatrix his press secretary is riding around with a with a collar yeah and a leash yeah you know i just want to just to pause this right let's just look through the prime ministers that we've had yeah since churchill yeah you've got eden who's an like who fucks it yeah mcmillan who's a 30-year test cricket level cuck yeah right the great the great douglas hughes right then you've got ted heath who is is possibly a paedophile and then you've got wilson's second term where he is being dominatrix by his own cabinet the the sexual proclivities of this country's prime ministers post-war really do run in parallel to our economic decline yeah so um there's another great story where after the um unexpected election win.

25:07This is my favourite. AIDS plan A. So is this the first election of 1974 that this happens? I don't know. So amidst all the talk of lunch and Wilson being domed, the country is falling apart. Yeah, to be fair. To be fair, it's completely falling apart. Wilson with the unions, I think what he does is he goes, right, I'm not going to give you more money or give you a bit more money, but I'm mainly going to just give you all these health and safety benefits. I think he does introduce health and safety in the workplace. 75 it's more yet more work nonsense yeah to go with decriminalizing back to the original playbook which is if back to the corner woke nonsense yeah just liberalize everything yeah um so in the midst of all this chaos uh he introduces um a 98 top rate of tax 98 that's crazy on anything there's already 95 yeah and he goes more 98 on unearned income right so this means that roger moore yeah fucks off yeah by the end of the decade james bond is being made in france right because he can't afford they can't because it's fucked yeah jagger goes to france yeah bowie calls for a right wing dictator he goes fascist he goes fascist but there's a fascist stage because of how high the taxes were you turn bowie fascist that's how high taxes are bowie goes hitler does a kanye yeah he does yeah exactly and mudhaar hitler bowie the most like you know the role model to anyone whose gender is a bit on the fence or like a non-binary becomes hitler that's how high i mean 98 it is crazy there's nowhere to go from there no you can't you're basically saying anything you earn you can pay to the government i mean give me that yeah give me that right now yeah um also mccartney stays yeah he's a patriot mccartney stays he's staying through thick and thin but also it's 98 % but nothing works so it's not as if you're getting amazing services it's Cuba essentially is what it is so part of the reason as well is his negotiations we talk about his negotiations with the miners I believe that he basically gives them what they want to the point where one of the head union bosses is like well my job is to get the best deal for my constituents but your job is to run the country because it's like he's like well i'll just give you what you want it's like no your job is to say no your job is to say no to me yeah because i'm doing i'm only acting out of the interest of my fucking constituents yeah you're doing the whole country yeah so it just gives everyone everything so um there is mumblings in the gentleman's clubs of london and 74 of uh whether they should take over in a hardline military coup so it's all collapsing but there's still the old school gentlemen's boys clubs these kind of like after dinner macmillan throwbacks yeah people who've seen action in the 50s in the empire so this guy called general batty crease he's around there's general sir walter walker yeah who is um he's in his 60s he's from a military family he led troops in malaya and borneo smashing the reds right there's always whenever there's like whenever left-wing policies are sort of failing or it's ground to the halt there's all a military guy will always poke his head up and say, well, should we just fucking kick him out?

28:20Should we just do this? Do you want to go nuclear? So he, Walter Walker does not have, he doesn't have modern sensibilities around gay rights, let's say. What does that mean? He's on record as saying that gay men treat the human sewer like a playground. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which to be fair. So he'd hate Charlie. Yeah, I think that about Charlie. I mean, I regularly say that, be private to you about Charlie. They use the human sewers. I can't believe we've got someone producing this who uses the human sewer as a playground. He's literally on the swings in the human sewer. Whee! Going down the slide.

28:53He treats a man's arsehole like a flume. Yeah, it's a slip and slide. You know, when you go to a water park and it goes outside into the car park for a little bit, that's you in a man's arsehole. Going out the arse, round through the legs, back into the arse. So Walker then starts giving TV interviews. This guy's not a sloucher, is he? no he's not he's got a straight back um he does a documentary called a day in the life of a general which has never aired for security reasons but he believes it's banned because he was revealing the true state of affairs which the politicians are hiding from the public there's also uh in july he writes a letter to the telegraph calling for a quote dynamic invigorating uplifting leadership above party politics to save the country from the communist trojan horse in our midst um he ominously declared i hope people will choose rule by the gun in preference to anarchy um he claimed to have at least 100 000 members there's also david sterling who founds the sas who's in rogue heroes which absolutely slaps what a brilliant series that is he kicks he's like i'll go for it i'll go for it yeah but then he i think he gets um cold feet and ducks out quite quickly but there is just there's talk among about having a right wing coup and then i think it is in july 1974, Heathrow gets taken over by the military.

30:11It's called Operation Menion or something anyway. Howard Wilson doesn't know about this and he thinks it's the start of a takeover. And bear in mind, this is 1974, so there's bombs going off everywhere. IRA are bombing, Operation Marmion. Bombs are going off everywhere. There's driving bass songs going outside your window. Yeah, it's constant. Yeah. It's like living next to Victoria Park during field day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except, except the Republicans are having a failed day. Yeah. It's actually to test security procedures in the face of a potential terrorist attack. Wilson doesn't know this.

30:43So they have a pretend coup. Yeah. Wilson doesn't know this, hears about it, and basically thinks they're coming for him. So what does he do? Well, something we should talk about is - Has lunch. He has lunch. He has some white bait. He has a fried egg and some grey beef to calm down. Well, I'll just set Marcia on him. Yeah. He, we should talk about his paranoia, because to be fair - Justified paranoia. To be fair, he has been being like tapped by MI5 since the 40s. He's exhausted, drinking way more than he used to. Oh, let's get his daily drinking routine up. He's getting absolutely cunted regularly.

31:13Could be the drunkest Prime Minister since Churchill. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But are these guys getting hangovers? Are they having a hangover? Well, this is what I don't understand about the 70s. I know it's all fucked, but the liquid lunch, they're still turning up for work. Yeah. If I'm getting... I would not be able... I don't know how you can maintain a day. That's because you're a lily liver Gen Z. I guess so. I guess they're just built different. Yeah. But also they're waking up and they're having like, then, you know, they're getting a glass of whiskey and cracking egg yolks into it. And they're just down in that.

31:42Is this Wilson? So he'd have, yeah, he'd have, um, brandies before PMQs. Uh, you meet, you meet journal, a journalist, you go for a bottle of wine, you have a couple of snifters, then they go back to Downing Street and have brandy and then carry on the day. I mean, how does anything get done? from like 2 p.m. onwards. Crazy. It's madness. It must be built different. Well, the productivity, your three days, you have electricity. Yeah. And then even on those three days, from 2 p.m., you're drunk. But is it possible that, obviously now the association is like, you have a pint, I'm not going to work again.

32:17Yeah. But back then it's like, I'll have a pint, let's do a load of like typing. Well, it's just like having your morning coffee. Yeah. It's almost like you could just, the energy just goes in the direction of work. This is when pints were coffee. Yeah. So are you saying that maybe, because kind of in a Pavlovian sense, when I have a pint, it's after a long day at work. You think I'm relaxing, whereas they're like going into it. even the smell of beer, it's like, fuck, I better do my email. They smell a beer and they need a shit. Yeah, yeah. So waking up, yeah, maybe. Right, come on. Probably, right.

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35:39Instead, it's filming 70s London. Yeah. With adding nothing. Yeah. Because they're just filming outside their window. The security service have opened a file on Wilson in 1945. There's constant talk about him being a KGB spy. And so he's increasingly getting paranoid anytime anyone's talking about him. He's like, are you saying I'm a spy? But it's fair enough. Yeah, because they do. MI5 are putting stories at the press to try and like ruin his election campaigns to try and get him not elected again because they don't trust him. So Hugh Gatesgill, who was leader before Wilson. He died from an incredibly rare illness after visiting the Soviet Union in 63.

36:13Yeah. Right? So that, I mean, that does feel like could be another job. Yeah. Allegations that the Soviet leadership wanted Wilson... Is that how Gateskill died? Yeah. Allegations the Soviet leadership wanted Wilson to lead the country and that he assisted... The original Russian election interference could be in the 60s to get Wilson in. He regularly visits the USSR. And this is to 74, so the Cambridge Five have now pretty much all come out. Yeah. They've all come out. Come out, sorry, in what sense? Well, two of them were gay, I'm pretty sure. But then five were communist spies. Yeah. But there's no communist spies who aren't gay.

36:44That's true. This is when spies were gay, when beers were coffee, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So Wilson becomes increasingly paranoid in the 70s. There are regular burglaries in his staff's offices, including the theft of underwear and a grandfather clock. Wilson alleged that the grandfather clock was in the South African embassy, fearing his criticism of apartheid as a motivational factor. He basically believes... So he was just burgling. Yeah, I guess. yeah because it's lawless the lights aren't on so everyone's like well no one's home I'll just go in and nick and stuff basically he thinks he's not in control of the country he thinks MI5 are running the country so the the right wing coups don't materialise the the union stuff it's still not really it's like a you know deadlock or whatever but he has no he has no strong majority so he can't really do anything either his hands are completely tied because he's got literally a slither of a majority.

37:38Because the post-war consensus is breaking at this point because no one is willing to smash up the unions. And so the country's being basically held to ransom by them. Which is, this explains Thatcher. You can't have Thatcher without 74. You can't explain Thatcher without explaining the year that Britain goes flush down the toilet. So in October 1974, Wilson calls his second general election. Because he needs a stronger majority if he wants to get anything done. And bear in mind, he had a minority government. He then wins 319 seats. which means he has a governing majority of three. So he still needs to rely on smaller parties to govern.

38:12And this is when the Conservatives replace Heath. So Heath stays and goes up against him again. Yeah, it's the grudge match. It's again, it's fucking Zaire. It's Fury, Yusik. It actually is the same year as the Rumble in the Jungle. I think, man, slugfest. So this is when... This is the Rumble in the Jungle, Heath first. The two tiredest men in the world. A fat man against a guy with dementia. War veteran. who are now alcoholics and are fat. Slugging each other out. And this is when mummy starts her ascendancy. One has not enough time for women. One has too much time for women. Yes. So mummy - It's like, it's literally, the way to treat women is between Wilson and Heath.

38:52You either ignore them or you're put on a leash and driven by them. It's like - Split the difference, guys. One of you. One of you just talked to them. Normally. You look them in the eye. You know. As an equal. Don't be their fucking coffee table. Or entirely ignore them. I'm more Heath on that spectrum than Al Bussin. I think that's the way to play it. Yeah. So, Labour win a very, very small majority in the October election. But he thinks he's going to lose this one as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's hoping he does. Yeah, because he... And he's completely prepared for a loss and he knows if he loses, that's the end of his career.

39:31So he's ready. He's got like prepared plans for what happens when he loses. Yes. He's got this whole thing that he's going to like tell people he's going somewhere. He's going to get a secret flight, fly somewhere, then get a train, then get a car to his like country manor. Is that because he's paranoid about the spies? Yeah. And also because he just wants to be left alone. Right. Because his career is over. Yeah. And he's 58 at this point. And he's also. Which in the 70s is 98. That is 98. Yeah. So 58, but he's also got dementia. Yeah. And maybe he's drinking through it. Yeah. So he's starting to mumble his words.

40:02Yeah. He had been a brilliantly articulate speaker. Yeah. Um, he's now, his face is fucked. It's puffy. Yeah. He's, he's not really smoked. He's not even smoking the pipe anymore. It's just a prop. Yeah. Um, he told his wife that he would only lead for two years. Cause she's just like, can you stop this? But it's so funny being like the wife of the prime minister. Oh, stop all that bollocks. You start fuck off with your little hobbies. Yeah. Can you fucking do some proper work? Can you come home and look after the kids or something? It's like, he's the prime minister. It's crazy. So he said he'd only served for two years, but he keeps his facts solely within the kitchen cabinet.

40:33Now we need to get to, the uh as soon as he wins the october election he uh organizes a victory party yeah but but then because it was done without marcia's go ahead yeah she's furious so she cancels it and doesn't tell wilson about it yeah so wilson's just won his fourth election he's the most powerful man in the country technically yeah and he's been stood up basically his own victory party is there not the image of the 1974 is hill wilson turning up to his own victory party bunting bunting he's just won the fucking election no one's there apart from marcia yeah who then bollocks him for 40 minutes yeah i mean it's fucking it's just won the fucking election and he's got his press secretary cancelled his baselyest party and gives him a bollocking.

41:30Do you reckon he makes her, she makes him like get on all fours and like... Yeah, I imagine so. There must be some sort of psychosexual thing. There has to be something like, I reckon he's getting pegged by Marcia. Yeah, so the stories of in Downing Street, Marcia will walk, stomp around and be like, Wilson! Yeah. Come here right now! Like a dog. Like genuinely like a dog. The Prime Minister will slink out of his room and go and listen to her. It's absolutely absurd. But again, this is 74. She's got an absolute weapons grade hairy growler. Yeah. The only person... I think the only person who could deal with Marcia are like a woman like that.

42:04You need Heath back in. Heath. Heath would not see... Well, Heath versus Marcia is like a Royal Rumble. Yeah. That's like who wins? No one knows. You've got a genuine attack dog against someone who doesn't see dogs. My favourite story is that... Yeah, there's no angrier growler than Marcia's. Marcia's got the angriest growler there's ever been. So my favourite bit is that there's a reception in the House of Lords, right? and Marcia insists that Wilson goes with her, even though he's got, he's famously got a lot on, right? So he goes with it for like a few minutes. He meets some people, has a drink and then he slips away with a speech writer to go work, do some fucking work.

42:39He's the prime minister. Marcia then notices absence, goes back to number 10 and in full view of all the staff, shouts at the prime minister of the United Kingdom, you little cunt. What do you think you're doing? You come back with me at once. and he goes with her. It's fucking crazy. And then male aides, which is obviously that's the only known for the AIDS. That is AIDS. It's not the 80s. It's not the 80s. It means something different now. Male aides described her as difficult, paranoid and overtly controlling. Yeah. Just call the prime minister a little cunt. In front of the start. I mean, you know, can you imagine any other prime minister can you imagine that doing to?

43:21Yeah. Little cunt. so what the aides I could you could call Starmer a little cunt I reckon oh yeah you reckon come here you little cunt I think no no but he doesn't she doesn't say it like that you little cunt yeah I think you could do that to Keir it's like a head teacher you little cunt yeah so by the way Wilson what noise is Keir making when he comes by the way oh oh oh my baby's Keir Starmer thank you oh sorry sorry What the age do, right, is that it gets so bad that Joe Haynes, who I think is a speechwriter, Wilson's doctor comes up to Joe Haynes and basically says he could make Marcia die of natural causes, even offering to sign the death certificate.

44:15so when the coup plot is later broached yeah um stone the doctor again floats poisoning her as a so they're talking about fucking killing marcia for months they're talking about and like a cab a kitchen cabinet plot to kill the prime minister's personal secretary um and although they considered it he later wrote she didn't deserve that end i mean it's it's it's amazing you can't just say uh sorry i don't think that's a bit above your station to be speaking to the prime minister like that yeah but as opposed to telling her this is the most british thing it's like i'm not gonna cause a scene because this woman's so embarrassing yeah how about we try and poison her yeah or fire her as opposed to just just shout at her yeah or just sack her but he can't because she's his dom i mean charlie do you do sub dom things because i feel like i'm quite a world away from this i want to understand more i'm sub i'm sub i know i like mummy to i want I want to be on my knees with mummy right but I want her to love me as well through it I want her to see through me push me around but you presumably you know some sub doms mainly subs I only really hang out with subs right so Charlie is Britain when Thatcher arrives yeah on his knees begging for mummy begging for mummy but she has to love me as well I don't want a horrible it's tough love though it's tough love yeah but as long as they actually love I don't want it just to be tough well she's doing it because she loves you because it's what the country needs well then good drink your milk yeah maybe that's just too tough I want to be milked like a cow I want a herd to be behind the milk snatcher the best thing is if you're on your knees and you look behind you and you can just see your balls gone just drooping down and then behind them they're just flanked by two puppies and that's like two big boobs and then you just got balls and boobs and you know you're safe do you know you're safe?

45:59yeah but why is this seeing your balls in the context of a pair of honkers a pair of gazungas yeah please to give them their proper name please please don't call them puppies gazookas they're gazoikas why does that make you feel safe to see the the the bulls is it the bulls being dwarfed by the gazookas yeah i guess it's just they're kind of dot bollocks yeah seeing them bollocks and dot bollocks i don't know there's an intimacy about that and like well yeah you're being looked after you're smaller than her you're her moon you're her little moon her moon and she's she's the sun yeah you're like so you're like orbiting her tits with your balls.

46:33See, this is all sub-language. I don't really speak this. Crazy. Yeah, well, it's always good to check in on Charlie in the middle of a topic he has no interest in. Well, I'm trying to get a flavour of the sub-dom relationship because Charlie has experience in sex clubs. So anyway, so back in the actual politics of the time, Wilson, obviously Northern Ireland is completely kicking off. So he has a plan called Doomsday where he's basically going to... Which is pretty radical for him, but he's losing, he's getting senile. Yeah, and also they're like fucked off in Northern Ireland at this point. The plan is a secret plan, and it would have been a radical side, a radical move that we'd rarely seen from Wilson.

47:15It would have meant removing Northern Ireland from British control and entirely removing it from the Commonwealth, severing all constitutional links, which would have, I mean, Northern Ireland continued to get worse for most of the 70s. That would have made things considerably worse. It would be like leaving India and Pakistan, right? It's just like, it's fucking off. So it probably would have been fine. Yeah, absolutely fine. Probably would have been fine. But it's just fucking off. Not my problem. See you later. Bye. Bye. Yeah. It's Biden pulling out of Afghanistan. Get the dogs. Get the dogs.

47:46Get out. Yeah. Last chopper out of Belfast. A leading loyalist said that, quote, it would have been civil war, no doubt, if the doomsday plan was executed. Elsewhere in the troubles, Wilson offers our old friend, Colonel Gaddafi, 14 million pounds to stop arming the IRA. Gaddafi obviously rejects his offer. I mean, that's just humiliating. But this is Gaddafi in his prime blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You've got no money and you're saying, please stop arming the fucking... Please stop, man. Please, I'll give you some cash. And Gaddafi's like, I don't think your lights are on, mate. I don't think your lights are on, mate.

48:13Why don't you fuck off? Have you not read my book? Have you not read my book? I'm in charge of the people's... How dare you come over here, you little worm. You little cunt, come back here. You little cunt. I don't think of anyone calling anyone. I don't think I've ever called him a little cunt. You little cunt. You little cunt. The Prime Minister. You little cunt. It's crazy. So, the big thing... What's going on with Marcia as well? What's going on there? Oh, I don't know. Is that BPD? He makes her a lady, a dame. Lady Faulkner or something? Should we see what her voice was? Yeah, please, actually.

48:51A Prime Minister too. I think that this has been overdrawn and exaggerated simply because I was a woman. You little cunt. Can you imagine her, that type of woman, saying, you little cunt? You little cunt. You little cunt. God. Yes, I started that role. We came into office in 64 after 13 years of Conservative government. I said to her 106 times in 1956. It wasn't satisfactory. Yeah, I mean, that's a cold mummy right there. That's cold mummy, Charlie. That's a cold English mummy. I don't want that sort of mummy. You've either got that mummy or you've got Thatcher mummy. That's the mummy you've got.

49:24I want Thatcher mummy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good boy. Good boy. that's the cum snatcher yeah right eec membership yeah um so obviously he'd uh he's big thing is we're straight into europe yeah uh wilson's big thing is we'll put it to a referendum now as a side note it's it's fascinating to watch uh debates on youtube about the eec referendum yeah they're the most civilized highbrow thing ever when you compare it to our fucking feral tripe that we had to watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Farage and Sturgeon people. But it's just two blokes sitting in chairs, similar studio to this, just talking so calmly.

50:03Well, I don't actually believe that sovereignty would be affected. The thing about sovereignty is that you lend it. Now it's like a giant bus saying the EU is filled with pedos. Exactly. Pedoey, pedo. More like, pedo. And the old days, if you don't use sovereignty, what's the point of having it? It's not something you just keep in the cellar and wheel out every now and check it's there. pedos yeah um anyway so uh there's a 1975 referendum asking whether uk should remain in the eec after two years i guess he came in they came in in 74 and also he's very busy discussing the lunch plans so he had stuff on so wilson opts and this is kind of his genius political stroke because he is he is he's sort of what he is very good at is managing warring factions yes um which is what you have to be if you're going to be in charge of the labor party and he opts for the Labour Party to hold no official position which means some people can support no.

50:58He publicly supports a yes vote. They win the result 67%. So to be fair to him, he does settle the European question for a generation, two generations. 1975 was the first year that the Britain's population fell. Oh yeah. Because so many people left. So many people left. Like Ireland during the famine. Basically. Australia, New Zealand put limits. They closed the door. They stopped the boat. They stopped the boats because there's so many Brits leaving. On a rubber dinghy. On a rubber dinghy. Please. Isn't that insane? Australia, New Zealand say no more. Yeah. To us. Yeah. They don't know they're fucking born.

51:37I feel, it makes me feel like Bowie. I think get a fucking, get Walter Walker in or whatever he's called. Get him in. Wilson is obviously fucked. He's said to be tired of ruling the country. He's completely ill. I mean, he's constantly in a campaign moment. It feels like what Wilson needs is a bit of loving. Yeah. He needs a cuddle. Look at that. He needs a kiss on the forehead because his wife hates him. Doesn't care, right? Marcia's calling him a little cunt. You little cunt. Yeah. He just has no one who's giving him a kiss and saying it's going to be okay. So then he starts another affair. There's another affair with Joe Haynes, his press secretary's assistant, Janet Hewlett-Dazas.

52:15Let's have a look. Let's have a look at her. Let's have a look at her. and this affair is incredibly secret. The affair was said to have been, quote, a little sunshine at sunset for an ailing Wilson. She's attractive. She's attractive. Look at that, dancing. That's quite sweet. I mean, the thing is, you look at - I like Wilson. I like Wilson. I feel bad for him. Yeah. He's quite a likable guy. Imagine your granddad getting fucking pegged by some angry woman. Yeah, I do feel quite defensive of him, saying, stop pegging my granddad. Stop pegging my granddad. It's like he just wants to sit in his chair with some words as original and you're calling him a cunt and telling him to get an all four so you can milk him.

52:56I mean, it's not fair. It's, you know, is there no deference left in this country? Come on. Stop pegging my granddad. That is what's going on. Yeah. It's awful. And then look at him. He's so happy. He bought him dancing. Yeah. He's a, he's a, he's a likable guy for sure. With his pipe and his slippers. He's also a brilliant mind. and he's got dementia at this point. It's very sad. But his actual, his, what he likes and part of the appeal of Wilson is he's sort of like a hobbit. Yeah. You know what the concept of a hobbit is? They stay in the shires. They're like simple things that are unpretentious.

53:31Right. The big appeal is that he likes, you know, Agatha Christie novels. Yeah. He likes smoking his pipe. He likes board games. He's a suburban pooter. Yeah, exactly. He's a pooterish figure. And that's, that's what a lot of the appeal is. Isn't he big into Boy Scouts? Yeah. He likes his big shorts. Yeah. Yeah. You can see that. Big shorts. He was supposedly the Queen's favourite Prime Minister. Oh, yeah. Really? And she came in thinking that he was an anti-monarchist, so there was frostiness, because any Labour politician, the Queen's a bit suspicious, but she grew to liking the most. Yeah. No, I've got a real soft spot for him.

54:05Yeah. And, yeah, a patriot. One of the greatest patriots this country's ever had. A little cunt. A little cunt. Stop tagging my granddad! so Wilson resigns in seven. By the way, also Nixon arrives and sees his new affair with Janet. Oh, right. Oh, is this the woman I've been hearing so much about thinking that she's Marcia? Even Nixon heard about Marcia. Imagine like the state of the country and the American president comes and goes, is this the woman you're on an affair with? No, it's another woman. Is this the one who's pegging granddad? No, it's another woman who I'm having an affair with. Who's not my wife.

54:38Dirty grandpa. It's fucking insane. So Wilson resigns in 76, which shocks everyone. because he's just you know he's one of our parents all of our parents were fucking teenagers at this point yeah everyone's my both my parents became um fully consenting sexual adults under wilson's second term oh where do you draw the lines of consent though when everyone does turn 16 are you a he you're a heathist or he well he did this is i don't see i don't see consent i don't see women or consent both both are like nonsense um yeah my my my parents are 14 to 16 during this period yeah same same thing uh wilson resides in 76 after suffering repeated illnesses uh charlie's just got the lowest age of consent in the world is nigeria aged 11 what is that philippines and angola are 12 check um check flights to nigeria how soon can we be in a cab how cheap are flights to nigeria do they go from city airport yeah is Is it direct or is it just...

55:42Do you think we... How quickly could we... Should we just... Is it Nigeria? Maybe we should do a live... Fire from war. Let's do an episode on that live. Could we do a live episode in Nigeria? Can we just pause this? Part 10 will be... Okay, part 10 will be a bit delayed, guys. Part 10 will be late. We've just suddenly had some works come up.

56:02I heard that in Italy, there's no agent consent. Really? And I heard that years ago, and I've been saying that to everyone. Well, I think it's like there's an official age of consent, but it's sort of like... Culturally, there's no age of consent. It goes against their cult. The idea of consent in Italy is like, what are you talking about? Shut up, are you guys? It's constitution. There'll be no consent. There is no consent here. Shut up your face. Shut up your face. Open up your daughter. Age of consent is 14 in Italy, is it? Is it? Mamma mia. Christ. Highest age of consent. What's the highest age of consent?

56:38Who's, yeah. fucking woke no no it's not woke is it not I don't know what here we fucking go Bahrain 21 here we go and if you're a woman and you want anal it's Hong Kong fuck if you're a woman and you want anal if you're a woman is this on an election is this on the election campaign this is my manifesto if you're a woman and you want anal you're in luck we are lowering if you're a woman and you want anal and you want to feel the white teeth if you're a hard working woman feel the white teeth of my anal technology do you want anal it will make this the greatest country to be a woman who wants anal Theresa May called the jams the just about managing the fucking women who want anal the wowers Hong Kong you have to be 21 if you're a woman for anal so presumably vaginal can you type in what the vaginal age of consent is in Hong Kong because I'm fascinated by the, you know, that paints a picture of you're having sex in Hong Kong, you know, one slip and you've broken the law.

57:45Yeah. You know. Well, you sound guilty when you're saying that. So 16, five years to work up to the anal consent. Well, you know, there should be, you'd get somewhere to go to. Yeah, but there's not five years between the vag and the arse. Well, yeah, it does cultural relativism, isn't it? I guess so. That's fascinating. The longest gap is that gap between the vag and the arse. Is that the thigh gap? people say they don't learn things in this podcast I learn something every day I learn something every day I learn something every day in Hong Kong if you want anal you gotta be 21 wow Marcy Williams pegs my grandad Marcy Williams pegs my grandad she tried that in Hong Kong she'd be fucking arrested because Wilson's not old enough Wilson's not old enough right Wilson resigns in 76 after suffering repeated illnesses like many prime ministers seemingly they all do it until they fucking it's it's it's it kills you it does kill you it's an illness right yeah uh he does have dementia um and he's kind of you know his mind's going so it's worse than going down to mine isn't it being the prime minister yeah it's worse for your fucking yeah i think so if you just all you have to do is look at before and after photos yeah it's shocking yeah his quote is i've been around this racetrack so often that i cannot generate any more enthusiasm for jumping any more hurdles you imagine i just can't really imagine politicians saying that no like even When they're kind of live losing interest.

59:03Yeah. I'm fucking bored. This, I'm fucked. I'm bored as hell. Have you seen my face? Yeah. I'm done, mate. I guess the closest is Teresa, but then she got forced out. She cried. Yeah. But the country, I love. I love. And he's just like, I've been around the block a bit. Yeah. I'm fucking knackered. So there's this sense, Wilson steps down. Yeah. And Jim Callaghan, who is i think oh what is he home secretary foreign sec at this point he's the only pet man to hold four offices so he'll be in our next episode he's done yeah and foreign home there is this sense right at the end of 76 that this country cannot keep propping up all the industries that are failing yeah and the labor the labor party and actually all the all the all the politicians are trying to insulate communities from de-industrialization.

59:57Yeah. But there's a sense that they all know this can't carry on. It's sort of inevitable. But they're carrying it on. They can't not do it. They can't take the medicine. Because of the kind of founding charter of the Labour Party. No, I think it's more that it's 45. It's everyone, this is at least Britain. Right. And everyone fought in the war and no one feels like they have the right to dismantle the post-war consensus. Well, yeah. this whole series has been the cuck dad era. Yeah. Cuck daddy, quiet dad. Waiting for bitch mum. Yeah. And speaking of bitch mum, in 1975, there are two people going for the, no, there's one person called Sir Keith Joseph who's going for the Tory leadership against Heath.

1:00:40Yeah. And his campaign manager is Margaret Thatcher. Sir Keith Joseph makes a speech that basically boils down to, quote, stop working class women having children to stop the degeneration of the nation. Right. He comes out in favour of eugenics. Right. He's a scholar. And this fucks his chances. And so Thatcher says, well, if you're not going to run, I'm going to run. And so Thatcher goes to Heath and says, I'm going to stand. Is she the first woman to even run? I think. Because there's Barbara Castle, but she wasn't... Barbie arsehole. Barbie arsehole. Yeah. I'm trying to think of, for this whole story...

1:01:12Shirley Williams. Shirley Williams is in cabinet in the 70s. So there's cabinet ministers, but people who are actually going for leadership. Maggie's the first. Probably. Yeah, Maggie ran so Truss could walk. Yeah. Truss could strass.

1:01:28Anyway, we need to wrap up, Howard Wilson. It's his second time on the pause. Look, I feel obviously - I really like him. I love Wilson. Yeah. I feel obviously the second term is a disaster. It was one of the toughest hands. Yeah. His heart wasn't in it. No. Overall legacy, he has a lot of lasting things. Yeah. But I guess where we put him? because it's hard to put him high because it still was filled with disasters. Yeah. He was being right round. He was being rode like a horse around Downing Street as the country fell apart. He probably shouldn't have done the second term in retrospect. No, he definitely shouldn't have.

1:02:07He wasn't up for it. Because arguably what Thatcher is able to do is to pin the entire post-war consensus on Labour because of the second term, even though it was just as much Stanton Heath, really. But he seems like not a truly seedy man and a decent man compared to the rest. He had lots of affairs. A decent man who had lots of affairs and was being pegged by his private secretary. Yeah, to be fair. But he wasn't a spy. I think we can say that. Yeah. He wasn't a spy. As in he wasn't gay. And he wasn't gay. Clearly wasn't gay. He was too straight, if anything. Yeah, he was too straight. But inflation soars.

1:02:42Peaks around 26%. Unemployment's going up. there's industrial unrest and so we come to where do we put him I mean how can you compare 70s prime ministers to 50s prime ministers I think it's impossible because that's why Eden probably is at the bottom because 50s you still have a good hand yeah and he fucking nuked it but what else was he going to do I don't know but he fucked it just give up the canal yeah I know but you know he didn't handle it well no he didn't and it's the biggest fuck up and it's still remembered I mean no and it was still like on the international stage Wilson's first time is transformational yeah so probably we probably put him midway somewhere in our next episode yeah the final episode of this marathon series that surely by this point the algorithms deserted us yeah surely you guys are sick of this surely you must be sick of this surely you're not watching in our final episode what are you guys still doing here you fucking sick pigs Britain is a poo floating in a lake yeah covered in piss yeah crisis what crisis it strikes it's the winter of discontent yeah it's the final it's the final soldier sent over the top to try and organize this mess it's the death rattle of the death at least britain the death rattle the cuck dad's berlin 1945 basically it is berlin 1945 it's the cuck death rattle yeah jim callaghan that episode is already on our patreon for those who subscribe and if you'd like to join us on the Patreon you also get access to our bonus series about the Jeremy Thorpe affair and the Great Train Robbery and loads of other bonus episodes you're on every Friday and it's just£3 a month thank you so much for staying with us this has been Harry Wilson's second term join us next time for the finale of our epic post-war British Prime Minister series but until then, goodnight you little cunts you little cunt

1:04:55We'll see you next time.

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13:58  Parliament is hung

16:42  Wilson's dominatrix

22:43  Adolf Bowie

28: 48 When beers were coffee

33:30 The Grumble in the jungle

37:56 The angriest growler

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47:17  Dirty grandpa

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