In short
Part 5 of a “Thatcher and the Falklands” series, focusing on Thatcher’s second term (1983–1984), especially the 1984–85 National Union of Miners strike, plus the 1984 Brighton hotel bombing attempt against Thatcher, and a brief turn to later foreign-policy controversies (Khmer Rouge training, Pinochet, and Queen/Thatcher tensions).
Guests
Horatio Gould (co-host). No other named guests appear in this transcript.
Guest backgrounds
Horatio Gould is presented as a co-host/participant in the podcast’s ongoing Thatcher/Falklands commentary; no separate biography is provided in the episode text.
Key claims
Thatcher’s government aimed to close coal pits partly for ideological reasons, not only because mines were unproductive; she stockpiled coal to “choke out” miners during the strike; the miners were ground down financially and politically; the IRA bombing narrowly missed killing Thatcher and hardened her resolve; Thatcher’s foreign policy supported anti-Vietnam Khmer Rouge forces and maintained friendly ties with Pinochet despite later backlash.
Notable examples
NUM national strike declared March 1984; High Court ruling making it illegal; Battle of Orgreave (June 18, 1984) with police and picketers; 1984 Brighton hotel bombing by Patrick McGee; Good Friday Agreement leading to McGee’s release in 1999.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThatcher's Second Term Begins
0:00 to 0:54
Discussion about the political landscape and Thatcher's rise.
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Thatcher's Second Term Begins
5:43 to 8:01
Discussion about the political landscape and Thatcher's rise.
“1984 begins with the National Union of Minors strike.”
The Miners' Strike Context
8:01 to 9:16
Analysis of the National Union of Miners and the reasons for the strike.
“And the coal mines, you know, every pit is the center of someone's community.”
Impact of Thatcher's Policies
9:16 to 14:00
Exploration of Thatcher's policies and their effects on communities.
“But as in the - There's not like lots of camaraderie with delivery drivers.”
Support for Miners: A Community Effort
14:00 to 15:03
Learn about the surprising support from the LGBTQ+ community during the miners' strike.
The Miners' Strike Begins
15:03 to 17:07
Explore the events leading to the declaration of a national strike by miners in 1984.
“But this kind of, the agonist begins really on the 5th of March 1984 at Coulterwood Colliery in South Yorkshire where miners find out that the NCB want to speed up plans to close their pit.”
Violence and Arrests During the Strike
17:07 to 21:31
Discuss the violent confrontations between police and miners during the strike, including arrests and injuries.
“I don't think they were blacked up, Charlie.”
The Downfall of the Miners
21:31 to 22:39
Understand the factors that led to the miners' loss during the strike and its implications.
“You can blame Thatcher, you also blame Scargill.”
The Impact of the Miners' Strike
22:39 to 23:51
Analyze the long-term effects of the miners' strike on communities and industries in Britain.
“I think it just feels incredibly righteous.”
Contemporary Reflections on Coal and Industry
23:51 to 26:04
Engage in a humorous discussion about coal, its history, and misconceptions surrounding it.
“I mean, speaking to any man of this age, they cannot believe it.”
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A Year of Crisis: The IRA and Thatcher
26:04 to 28:00
Learn about the events of 1984, including the IRA's actions against Thatcher during a tumultuous year.
“I'm thinking of like coal-powered trains is what I'm thinking of.”
Debate on Attractiveness and Preferences
28:00 to 30:25
A humorous and light-hearted discussion about personal tastes in attractiveness and relationship preferences.
“Look at his fucking he's a hot guy look at that What?”
The Iron Constitution of Thatcher
30:32 to 30:57
A reflection on how a fortuitous event saved Thatcher's life during a bombing.
The Brighton Bombing and Its Implications
30:57 to 34:20
An exploration of the assassination attempt on Margaret Thatcher, the bombing incident, and its aftermath.
“When the bomb went off, Margaret Thatcher says to Dennis, I think that was an assassination attempt.”
Aftermath of the Bombing
34:20 to 36:04
Discussion of the repercussions of the bombing on Thatcher and her resolve to continue her policies.
“It could be chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more.”
Aftermath of the Bombing
36:11 to 36:41
Discussion of the repercussions of the bombing on Thatcher and her resolve to continue her policies.
“Your sleep, your privacy, the way every room looks and feels.”
Thatcher's Foreign Policy and the Khmer Rouge
37:19 to 42:00
An in-depth discussion on Thatcher's controversial foreign policy decisions, including her support for the Khmer Rouge.
“what they're up to this is post Killing Fields 80s Khmer Rouge when we know they're naughty as hell a lot of things from the 80s don't date well and the Khmer Rouge is one of them Yeah.”
Thatcher's Complicated Alliances
42:00 to 44:04
Explore Margaret Thatcher's support for Pinochet and her relationship with the Queen.
“is lifted from the eyes of the world and everyone fucking hates Pinochet and he gets arrested, Thatcher's like, fuck no, he's a great guy.”
The Queen vs. Thatcher: A Clash of Policies
44:04 to 45:57
Discuss the differing views on policies between the Queen and Thatcher, including the perceptions of their friendship.
“She goes up there, like a lot of prime ministers do, to play parlor games, and she basically has no crack whatsoever.”
Thatcher's Stance on Apartheid
45:57 to 47:50
Analyze Thatcher's controversial views on apartheid and its impact on her legacy.
“You're disqualifying some people from the economy or you're making a two-tier economy.”
The Big Bang and Economic Deregulation
47:50 to 50:42
Learn about the economic changes initiated by Thatcher, including the Big Bang and its consequences.
“Mystery Starter, which was a gelatinous and unappetising mix of beef, consomme, cream cheese and curry powder.”
Social Impact of Thatcher's Policies
50:42 to 56:04
Examine how Thatcher's policies transformed British society and the economy, leading to inequality.
“So it ends the separation between those who trade stocks and shares and those who advise investors.”
Previewing the Final Part on Thatcher
56:04 to 57:24
Discussing the upcoming themes in the final segment about Thatcher's legacy and personal anecdotes.
Transcript
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1:58welcome back to fin versus history i'm joined by horatio gould that was margaret thatcher's cum noise this is the what was it do you think to fucking cam shit shit sorry sorry Maggie sorry mummy say it to her face what's mummy's cum noise oh fuck I'm going to bust this is but I guess women don't bust do they no they don't bust oh I'm coming oh fuck ya if this is the first episode you've listened to this is pretty much the speed yeah well don't go in in the middle of any series you have to remember you have to build on a long history of context every episode is someone's first. Yeah. This is part five of our Thatcher and the Falklands series.
2:45It's the beginning of her second term. We've taken five parts, four parts to get to the second term. Is this 15 parts of the British Prime Minister's? Do the Falklands count or are they their own? I don't know. I don't know anymore. I don't know. But yeah, we're into it. We're deep into it. Thatcher's heard that she's won a second term and she goes, Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. this lady's for turning this lady's not for coming oh fuck this lady's not for busting on no one's busting on Thatcher Dennis isn't busting on Thatcher what's Dennis' cum noise? let's equalise fuck off he says fuck off oh bloody hell fuck off BBC poofs and trots you bloody fucking poof you fucking trotsky poof he's calling Thatcher a trotsky poof for making him come you trotsky poof how dare you he's getting pegged by that just saying you're a puff yeah he's shouting it he's powerful trots trots is such an underrated it's good it's good old school fucking trots um anyway we are in 1983 and as you will have heard if you've been listening to the series thatcher has been reborn yeah she's riding high the falklands war uh before that mommy was on her knees not in a fun way not in a fun way she was doing her best to clean up the mess that her 10 predecessors had left but it was not going well but the economy starts to turn around just before the falklands war just before the falklands war and then the falklands war she is like a rocket boosters for her support she comes out of it thinking she could do no wrong yeah the labor party at this time uh their manifesto has been called the longest suicide note in history what kind of policies do they have in there there's some very very radical ones uh it's for the second main scrapping nuclear weapons this is at the height of the cold war yeah abolishing the house of lords re-nationalize everything withdraw from the european economic community it's a lot pick one and make a big pitch for it but you can't do them all at once it's the same as corbyn's one free broadband well the free broadband wasn't a bad idea nhs for pets uh people slagged off the broadband was one of the everyone gets custard every day that was a strange one again why why it goes against like the health as well it would be more strain on the NHS.
4:53Liberate Nicaragra. Where even is that, Jeremy? Can we, should we do some things first? Yeah. Someone had a joke about Corbyn that you can imagine that his soap bar, he uses right down to, till it's a sliver. Do you know what I mean? My granddad used to use that. You just know. He had one bar of imperial leather. Yeah, and it will go until it is like, a credit card that he's swiping under his arm. Yeah, absolutely. So Thatcher's second term begins in, is it 1983? Yeah, it begins in 1983. And this is so much happens in a second term. I guess the, you know, all the images, the controversies. This is the strike.
5:30This is Prime Thatcher. This is Key Thatcher. This is Aggie. Yeah. Thatcher's growlers fighting back. Yeah. The main, as well, 1984, so much happens in 1984, but let's crack into it. We're in part five. We've heard her come noise. 1984 begins with the National Union of Minors strike. Yeah. so for context again we've done 10 parts on this but Britain had been basically had its balls and advice by the unions since Clement Attlee I mean did Heath basically lose his position because of the three day week and the lights are going off yeah and the miners are being led by by Scargill Scargill who took down Heath yeah and I think he went to try and do the same with Thatcher they're anarchists essentially they're sort of hardcore Marxists who want to just destroy the government Or they're union chiefs who their job is to look after the welfare of their members.
6:25And that's their one job. It's not their job to look after the welfare of the country. No. And that's kind of where the clash comes in. So coal is obviously being unproductive at this point. Coal isn't that good. Why? Do you know anything like that? I really don't know. Any big fuel heads in here? I don't really understand how we get petrol from the ground. So the whole British Empire was built on coal. Yeah. and now we don't need it. So for our thick listeners, coal is a black combustible sedimentary rock. It's old wood, right? Hey? Isn't it old wood? Oh God, that's charcoal. I don't fucking know.
6:59It's charcoal. You just suck it in there. Is charcoal old wood? No. Yeah. I think it is. Is it? It's like stupid squared. I was stupid and you were more stupid. What? I want firelighters. You just were stupid on my stupidity. That's old wood. It was like a bukkake of stupidity. Yeah. That's old wood. It's going to be so painful for some listeners. this so painful i and i look i'll be honest i don't fucking know i don't know either but you know enough to know that we're both wrong what's fire lighters i don't think fire lighters are relevant to thatcher's second term they're brilliant though she's trying to replace coal with fire lighters i think is what she's she thinks that fire lighters will be more productive than coal maybe so are we the first country to de-industrialize well we're one of yeah we're one of the first countries to industrialize so we're one of the first to de-industrialize right So the NUM, the National Union of Miners, are striking to prevent 20 coal mines from being closed because the government policy is we need to, this is a drain on the country's finances, we need to get rid of them.
7:58But this would lose 20 ,000 jobs. And the coal mines, you know, every pit is the center of someone's community. Yeah, it's not, even though it's a terrible job, it's not like terrible jobs now. Like if you're doing like a zero hours contract at Sainsbury's, that doesn't give you an identity. It should do. To me it does. To me it does. i judge you i think you're a fat woman called pat who's got nothing going on in their life but the a whole town was built around that and it felt like you you had you felt like you were being productive you had a purpose yeah you could provide your family you'd all go drink at the pub afterwards the one pub yeah you'd all go in there and you'd spend your you spend your wages in the pub and then your wife would get upset but and a big basically post thatcher it's kind of ripped out working class identity the great you can basically take which is i think such a huge con because even if you're if even if you're building an unequal society what was genius about the old way is that working class people could still enjoy not having much because that you had camaraderie camaraderie community you kind of pride in your identity yeah it felt much more i don't know sustainable in a way whereas now it's like i don't know what jobs What jobs are working class people doing now?
9:08Well, yeah, delivery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I guess so. Which is great for us. Because I don't have to cook. I mean, it's not that bad then. Yeah, when you put it like that. Yeah. But as in the - There's not like lots of camaraderie with delivery drivers. No, it's so individual, isn't it? Then you don't see all their bags outside the pub. Yeah. All the bikes tied up. The great Gordian knot at the heart of Thatcher's policy is that the economics she espouses destroys the communities she stands for. The strangest contrast with her character is that she is socially very conservative. Yeah. But this sort of unleashes economic and social liberalism in a way.
9:44Because the whole point of her methodism is that like communities... She destroys tradition and she sees herself as a very traditional person. So Peter Hitchens hates Thatcher. Well, he's the most conservative man in Britain. Yes. He's conservative for acts that were done in 1830. Yes. We went wrong in the Victorian age. Yeah. No, he actually says that we shouldn't have legalized divorce. and he says that in the 60s so his main problem is howard wilson's first government and hitchens says that thatcher no no true conservative should like thatcher because she tore the heart out of the country's communities well she changed what being a conservative meant i think yeah i think the idea of a conservative actually is someone who's basically just very risk averse and traditional yeah but also could have like a code of ethics that's kind of built on principle paternalism yeah and stuff like that yeah that idea of conservatism mcmillan conservatism yeah basically any other between that and the war that's all gone i grew up thinking of conservatives as these sort of like can i fuck it or eat it sort of mad like money grabbing yeah which is quite different to the history of british conservatism i think yeah yeah but what's funny is that uh hitchens is like no i'm a conservative and she's ruined it and that's the same way that like you now have people going oh no i'm i didn't change the left change i'm i'm consider myself left wing i just think that um you know we should still endorse phrenology yeah people say people nowadays a lot of podcasters will say that they're still left wing and then say that the most insanely right wing thing yeah that they believe me and it's just the left changed yeah um but hitchens us that from the other side how does he do it from the other side he says i'm still right wing he'll say that
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15:02This is done in the film Pride. Yeah, woke nonsense. It's all woke nonsense. But this kind of, the agonist begins really on the 5th of March 1984 at Coulterwood Colliery in South Yorkshire where miners find out that the NCB want to speed up plans to close their pit. Now, there's a big debate about whether the government wanted to just close pits that were even still productive on an ideological basis, which papers were released recently showing they did. Yes, okay. Wait, so they're just doing it just to destroy any power the unions could have? The miners thought that they were closing pits like willy-nilly, and the government at the time was saying, no, we're only closing pits because they're unproductive, but it turns out that they were planning to also close any pit.
15:44Right, right, right. It's all about war. They wanted to fast forward. It's the opposite of Mao's Great Leap Forward. It's the great shutdown. Just quickly. Just do it quickly. Sink the Belgorano, right? Yeah, it's such a thing. Fuck it. Sink it. Sink the pits. so on the 12th of march the num declares a national strike having not held a vote in october of the 84 the high court declares the strike illegal because it didn't hold a vote which thatcher had said they had to now in nottinghamshire most of the 30 000 miners there carry on working uh which is why they get called uh scabs yeah cross the picket line so on the 18th of june 84 the back we get to the battle of augree and these are all images that we've sort or grown up with or have been used in documentary films.
16:27The images are pretty stark. The 80s, yeah, in the Britain, the kind of agginess. So 6 ,000 police officers with dogs and horses face off against an equal number of picketers. This is in South Yorkshire. It erupts into violence. 95 picketers are arrested and charged with violent disorder. 100 miners are injured. One miner was hit so hard the officer broke his truncheon. Well, it seems like the officer got... So there were victims on the officer side as well. He had to get a new truncheon. He was charged with vandalism, that minor, breaking the truncheon. In 1991, 39 convicted minors were compensated£425 ,000 for assault by the police, wrongful arrest and wrongful prosecution.
17:05So 11 ,000 people were arrested. Because they fucking... Thatcher's just arresting anyone. Just fucking bang them up. Here we go. They had a black lives matter. I don't think they were doing that. Well, they are blacked up. I mean, the miners were blacked up. I don't think they were blacked up, Charlie. I think that's quite a large accusation to make. they were going down a mine and it happened to they weren't doing blackface it wasn't the only safe place to do blackface was underground you know it is well it is yeah it is if you're trying to do blackface being a coal miner is like if you have to do blackface it is a perfect crime if you just can't live he's been down the mine yes now obviously in Holland they still do that to this day they love it over there Schwarzer Peter and all that.
17:53Yes, no, the miners were not... Well, we don't know, actually. We don't know. Some miners may have been attracted to the job because it gave them a free hit at blackface. We don't know that. These all love blackface. Look at them. Well, you've also got Morris dancers. They love it. They love blackface. For Morris dancing, there's a bit of black and up. Oh, bloody hell. But this is kind of the... Yeah, the images you get of the 80s is just... It's riot police just charging... Yeah. people in bootcut jeans and mullets yeah lots of megaphones it's not a good look is there like a king miner yeah yeah Scargill Scargill who we'll get to in a minute he's blacked up he's not blacked up what do you imagine huge big smile on your face imagining a guy with a fucking pink axe a crown a coal crown like totally blacked up you think he's blackface and he's got like a fruit basket he's like king of the dwarves fruit basket on his head and he basically speaks like hey man me name is Scargill and you think he's just fully blacked up you think that's what he is?
18:49And he eats coal. He eats coal. He eats coal. Right, right. And he's got loads of children, but they're all little coal boys. So you think Arthur Scargill's like the ultimate racist? Yeah, and he loves, but he's also a really good miner. So you framed the whole miner strike as a race thing. Well, it is if you look at it. Right. So you say like what actually was going on. Well, they were all blacked up. I don't think they were. Well, so it's black, three whites. Yeah. But it was just one, both white, one was blacked up. Yeah, the whole 80s were a race riot, basically. You're right. Anyway, so the strike ends basically a year later and they go back to work.
19:23But there's just constant battles, constant pickets. Police are just rugby tackling guys in double denim. Now, Arthur Scargill was president of the NUM. His wife, Anne, let's have a look at Anne Scargill. Let's see, Charlie, let's let the dog see the rabbit. Get Anne Scargill's face up, would you? So he led the minor strike in 74, which, as we said, brought down Heath. Clearly images, Charlie. Oh, I reckon she was quite pretty back in the way. Yeah, she is. Fair play. She looks like that lady who says, you horrid little cunt. Oh, Marcia Williams? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. So, Scargill claims there was a plan for more than 70 pit closures, which was proved true in 2014 when old cabinet papers released.
20:04And Scargill worked with Women Against Pit Closures. That's an anti-lesbian pressure group. Wapsie. Yeah, Women Against Pit Closures. She chained herself to the railings at the Department of Trade and Industry. Hello. Yeah, that's the woman you marry. Yeah, she's into some BDSM stuff. Now, Thatcher famously refuses to make any concessions. Because she, this is post-Forkland, Thatcher. She's pumped up. Anything she thinks is right. Yeah, fuck off. Yeah. Fuck off, here's some horses and dogs. And then how do the miners lose? They're just... They're just ground down. They run out of goodwill. Yeah.
20:44They run out of money. Yeah. Because they pay the unions so that then the unions can pay them to not work. Yeah. Right, that's how the whole thing works. Eventually they run out of money. They're paying to be paid. Yeah. So like here's 30 quid for you to pay 30 quid. So your union membership basically is a price so that if you can strike to get better pay, you can still be paid for not working. Sure. Anyway, Thatcher does not make any concessions. The miners lose, which paves the way for more industries to be privatized. But the support the miners had during Heath and Callaghan, that's faded now.
21:15Well, it's been 20 years. of Britain just dancing to the miners' tune. And I think it was - And they did, in retrospect, it did just seem like the unions asked for too much. They got nothing. I think you can blame, you blame Thatcher. Both sides, because Scargill was a Thatcher of the mines though. That's what I mean. You can blame Thatcher, you also blame Scargill. He was so extreme as well. Yeah. And also it was inevitable, because if you look at comparable European countries, de-industrialisation was inevitable. Yeah. But it could have been done as such a more, it could have faded out. it could have been done to keep the communities because what scargill could have pushed for is some kind of reinvestment in the jobs yeah people in retraining now it's like a big sports direct factory that's literally what it is yeah you've gone from mining in blackface yeah to um not being allowed a piss break making big mugs yeah it's true yeah um but also the whole attack you know all the all the towns small towns are completely ruined that's why you the high streets are now just fucking betting shops I mean you're going on tour on quite a few of them right?
22:15I am going to I'm going round all these places I'm seeing the towns that Thatcher and Scargill decimated Yes What is it? Do you think having a lunch as a minor like having a sandwichy lunch as a minor is like the most like righteous lunch I think so genuinely like out of your little box with your black hands I do agree with this I do think about this I think certain kinds of work doesn't matter how good the lunch is I think it just feels incredibly righteous. You mean the photo of the men in New York on the girder? Sort of, yeah. Any of those sort of, I just think certain lunches... Having like a little fruit shoot down the mine.
22:50I don't think it was a fruit shoot. That's a kid's lunch. Yeah, they don't think the fruits were allowed down the mine. No, the fruits were supporting. Right, sorry. The fruit shoots were supporting the miners. The blackface miners. It's intersectionality. This fucking... This fucking man said it was a bloody fruit shoot. Well, that was... Yeah. We should place this, though. I realise we haven't placed this, and they'll be livid, our thick listeners. Right. This is 1984, okay? So this is after the book 1984 was written. Yes, because that was written in 1948. And it's before The Hand of God, Maradona.
23:28Yes, 1986, right? 1986, which was a sort of, you know, a comment on the Falklands. It was. It was them trying to regain some dignity. It's also, I mean, Disgrace themselves. The absolute best goal in football history is... In the same match, right? Same match, yeah. It's crazy. Bloody hell. Look at this. Livid. Cheats. Yeah. I mean, is your dad a big football fan? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, speaking to any man of this age, they cannot believe it. Still like... Even at a family gathering, if a Maradona or Argentina comes up, my uncle would just be like, fucking cheats. Yeah. So the Miners had been striking with the slogan, close a pit, kill a community.
24:09It's only place that's safe to do black faces underground. They hadn't mentioned that. We've made that up. 32 pit closures are announced in 1992 as Britain moves towards using natural gas. And in 2015, the last deep coal mine in North Yorkshire, Kellingley, was closed. So the UK coal industry had a total workforce of around 221 ,084 and less than 7 ,000 in March 2005. And was the UK basically invented coal being used as a fuel source? Listen, I've talked... Is that not what the Industrial Revolution was? Given none of us know what coal is, I don't know how... Who invented using coal as a fuel source?
24:48History of coal. Let's do it now. Little side episode. History of coal. They used it in ancient China. Right. Right. And also, what is coal? And look, there's people who'd be furious as to this. It's a fair question. We're not claiming to be intelligent here. It's a good question. What the fuck is it? Can you eat it? I don't know. I don't know. It's pure carbon, right? It's a lump of carbon that you can release the energy inside of. Definitely, if you eat it, you get cancer. But is it like having the maddest burnt toast ever? I think I genuinely... In a way, yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. And I don't know.
25:21Is it just really burnt toast? I was famously very, very bad at science. The burntest toast ever. I think it's basically they're mining burnt toast from the ground. So you were bad at science? I was bad at science. So bad at science. Did you have any skill? No, no. I bust my chemistry done. To be honest, this is a terrible... On Science Stuff, this podcast has no one... There will never be Finn versus Science. No. Because I've lost that fight already. I'm never going to win Finn versus Science. Science has got me over a barrel. They've got no one here knows. Do you know anything about Science?
25:49No. Oh, fucking hell. I genuinely think that these people were blacked up racists mining burnt toast in underground. I think that's what they were doing. And for some reason, Thatcher stopping that has made the country worse. I think. I'm thinking of like coal-powered trains is what I'm thinking of. This is a three-way Mexican thick off. None of us know who's the stupidest. I don't know. Is it burnt toast? I think so. Coal is compressed plant matter. There you go. Yeah. So it's vegan. So your vegan's going to eat it. So I guess it's the life cycle of all organisms. They go into the ground and they get crushed into a carbonated, decomposed form over millions of years.
26:33I also think dinosaurs and they come out as burnt toast. Did you know this? Dinosaurs are petrol. What? Oh, yeah, they are. Dinosaurs are petrol. They go into the ground and then they eventually decompose into... They get squashed and then they become SO. They become like Guinness. Dinosaurs are petrol. I think dinosaurs are petrol. Dinosaur petrol. Fossil fuels. It's fossils are dinosaurs. It's ground Guinness. Split the D. Yeah. We've got to stop splitting the G. We've got to stop using Guinness and start using... I don't fucking know. We're all blind here. We're blind. We really are. And this will be so...
27:07Fucking mustard gas in the trench. We're all holding onto each other. Greta Thunberg is listening going... Is she? Is she listening? Let's get her on. Get her on. She'll know what's going on. She's a laugh. Right. So that's the... The minor strike is all going on, right, in 84. Now, on the 12th of October, 1984... A lot happened. 84 is a crazy year, right? Margaret Thatcher thanked mummy just about escapes with her life. So in September 1984, IRA bomb expert Patrick McGee, that's not a slur, that is his actual name. What's his fucking name? Patrick McGee or something? Diddly diddly Paddy McGee.
27:46McGee is a silly surname because it implies you're jumping on a trampoline dressed as a leprechaun. Anyway, come see me on tour in Dublin and Cork and Belfast. McGee! Paddy McGee. It's a funny, just, it has a lot of Mickey! Do you know what I mean? Look at his fucking he's a hot guy look at that What? Do you not think? Sort of Phoebe? Do you not think he's hot? Don't you? No you've got you've got a weird taste You've got a weird thing you do have weird taste you're like chewed up old Scottish women and IRA bombers I think he's a fake And you love whiskey I think it's all your taste in something sexual is how much it stinks of spent matches I think he's a good looking guy He's not He's not Do you not think?
28:26No Mickey! He looks like George Best is sort of Downs' cousin. George Wurst. He looks like George Wurst. And on the left wing, George Wurst. He's got Downs. Does he know the rules? But do you know, McGee is a silly surname. Would you not agree? It's like being called like Brian Yippee. Brian Yippee. The problem with being an IRA bomber called Paddy McGee is that it sounds like a slur Thatcher's made up for the IRA. But that's his actual name. Yeah. Right. so he checks into room 629 of the Grand Hotel in Brighton and sets a bomb to go off 24 days 6 hours and 24 minutes later it's like I didn't realise it was a month before so he's attached to like an egg timer right or something like that something like that so Thatcher is going for the Conservative Party conference in Brighton they all do this stuff by the sea I don't know why what name does he check he doesn't check in as Paddy McGee does he when he stays there he's like fucking checks in as like John English Mr.
29:24John English yeah Mr Coventry he checks in as the John Coventry checks in as the HMS Coventry so Thatcher in October a month later is I don't know is she rehearsing a conference speech in the toilet maybe she's just been in the toilet doing her powder well the thing is she stays up so late yeah working and that's part of the reason she's alive because she was probably looking through files at 3am was the bomb under her bed no it wasn't she got moved to a different room so it was like but it was meant to explode and damage all rooms around so it could have hit some of them the bomb explodes and it causes one of the hotel's chimney to chimneys to slice through the building like a guillotine yeah the chimney destroys Thatcher's bathroom suite which she had just exited two minutes fuck so if she'd had any less fibre that day yeah she's dead right but she's saved she's saved by her her Protestant diet her her Methodist diet no funny business yeah she was not having a honking great shit at the time and that's why she's alive god bless the bomb seriously injured 31 and kills five i mean if she i guess there's a whole book killing that which i actually got halfway through it was pretty good we talked about uh in the live on the patron with vittorio we did it we talked about that because he's obsessed with this thing because i guess for the ira how close they were yeah is their crowning achievement yeah and they were very close because if they did kill thatcher wow what historically what is that as a what's jfk isn't it it must be yeah it's such a big deal yeah so they they were a whisk away from i mean the whole world they were tougher we live in a very different country away from yeah if she'd been having any tougher shit then she'd be dead yeah but luckily she had a constitution of iron i don't think we have had an assassinated prime minister yeah um prescott got an egg on him yeah that's something that's about it unless there's someone earlier oh spencer percival was shot in the house of commons lobby in 1820 right okay fair enough so we've had one assassination but yeah but five people do die muriel mclean who is wife of the president of the scottish conservatives who's blown from her bed gene gene shatok was decapitated he was the wife of a party chairman christ and then the deputy chief whip dies and he just returned from walking his dogs and this is the one him and his wife die the chief whip and this is what Thatcher this is what kind of like crushes her in many ways she's like really good mates with right but it just it just hardens her resolve of course and there's a very funny story of this this the most British couple ever where one of the he's like an old he's like a 70 year old guy I think he's just a hotel guest yeah gets caught in the rubble yeah he's completely saved from the waist down and he's there for five hours and his wife's fine and his wife keeps checking on him.
32:16So you're right. He's like, yep. He keeps pretending that he's fine. Yeah. No, no, good. Never been better. Fine. Yeah. Literally cannot feel below his waist. No, no, all good. Yeah, fine. Don't worry about it. Yes, no, all good here. I've been moved to a bigger room. Absolutely fine. The view is great from here. This is lovely. Yeah. When the bomb went off, Margaret Thatcher says to Dennis, I think that was an assassination attempt. Don't you? Because she's clever. Smart. She's smart. Sherlock Holmes. 20 minutes later, they get into a car. Dennis said, the IRA, those bastards. Now, the investigators were unsure as to how long the bomb had been there.
32:49Six timers were then found that were set for 24 days. McGee is tracked to Glasgow and is identified by a missing fingertip on the little finger of his right hand, which is the sign of a bomb maker. Because you singe it so much? I guess, yeah, or you just don't... Or you've taken it off so you don't leave marks. Now, McGee is sentenced to eight life sentences for planting the bomb, but was released in 1999 as part of the Good Friday Agreement. What is that? The Good Friday Agreement. I'll probably get into it, but it is a masterpiece of diplomacy, we have to say. In a sentence. It's the peace agreement that stops the troubles.
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33:26Okay. And to be honest, it seems to be in like a conflict where it seems no way out, it seems to be the only way you can really do it, which is make tough compromises. And that basically means anyone who did anything in the IRA is... Amnesty. In exchange for... Stop blowing us up. Stop blowing it up. Everything stop. let's get on with it. So it was, it was pretty amazing. And basically like, you know, if Israel, Palestine are ever going to sort it out. that's why Blair's going to Gaza is because he's high on his own supply because he's like, I cracked that one. I can crack you lot. You both, you both hate pork.
33:56Let's get on with it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess the Irish and the British actually are more in common probably than the Israelis, the Palestinians. Yeah. Because it's, we both like Guinness, you know, butter. Yeah. And they only just don't like pork and it's easy to get, you know, I mean, yeah, maybe it feels like they could do a hatred of pork falafel they like falafel yeah hummus hummus maybe yeah get them around the table it's a lot in common now Thatcher obviously survives the blast but she she comes out with a sooty face more hardened than ever she gets down those mines yeah hello dear I'm one of them no she was actually quite embarrassingly wearing blackface doing Jamaican accents in the mirror and then she manages to have the perfect alibi if anything she was like it's the soot from the bomb luckily actually saved her career because she was about to be cancelled big time because she was doing impression of a miner which meant blacking up hey me me name is Margaret Thatcher me going down the mine to dig up some burnt toast that's what she was saying in the mirror so many levels of stupidity in this one yeah it's a fossil fuel yeah I know exactly it's like sediment it's like in 3000 it's going to be coal in 3000 years people will be driving with that Jamaican accent I get so many headaches every month.
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36:58Obviously, we've done a series on Pol Pot. in 1985 Thatcher and Reagan start training the fucking Khmer Rouge I didn't realise how naughty she was being abroad I guess people weren't really keeping up to date with what she was doing abroad because she was making so many big decisions at home this is not early 60s Khmer Rouge where we didn't know what they're up to this is post Killing Fields 80s Khmer Rouge when we know they're naughty as hell a lot of things from the 80s don't date well and the Khmer Rouge is one of them Yeah. Because by that point, Pol Pot has told an entire city to fuck off.
37:33He's killed everyone with glasses. And the Vietnamese have ousted them. Yeah. He's done packed cummins with babies against... Fucking steamed in with babies against trees. Yeah, he's been steaming in with babies against trees. Doing Joffre Archer bouncers. Some people are saying, guys, I'm autistic. At that point, no one really knows what that is. That's not a defence yet. Basically, the only people who could survive the killing fields are people like Charlie, who are so thick, they pose no threat to the state. Yeah. So obviously the Americans have only just stopped fighting the Vietnamese and the Vietnamese have now overthrown the Cambodians.
38:07Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge. So the US and the UK, my enemies, enemies, my friend, whatever, they fund the Khmer Rouge to fight the Vietnamese. Between 85 and 89, the SAS ran training camps for Khmer Rouge allies in Thailand. They created a sabotage battalion of 250 explosives and ambush experts, all people who had served during the Falklands. The SAS teach them how to make explosives, booby traps, and time delay devices. And then to allow the government to deny help in the Khmer Rouge, the SAS trained soldiers loyal to Sihanouk and the former PM. But this is what happens in the Cold War, is that alliances upon alliances, who's the real enemy?
38:46My second enemy is closer to me than my first enemy. Because Khmer Rouge are communists, but they're less threatening communists than the Vietnamese communists. The communists who have won. Yeah. Yeah. So they're training the communists who have lost to beat the communists who have won. But also, as we learned in the Khmer Rouge series, they're not really communists. They're not communists. They're having a go. They don't understand French. They can't read. They also, it's similar to Brexit, where it's like, you know, experts. Yeah. Disregard experts. It's an ambiguous thing. It's emotional politics.
39:15Yeah, it is. It's like emotional eating. Yeah, I don't need to know what that is. I know I'm an expert in emotional... People have been sending me a reel of Harvey Price eating mince pies going, this is you. I've not clicked on the reel. I've not seen it. I think he's put out some new stuff. Now, the plot was meant to be done by the US and the UK. However, after the Iran-Contra affair, the UK continues trading the Khmer Rouge without the explicit US help as part of a, quote, classical Thatcher-Reagan arrangement. Now, what's going on there? So we're doing this without this American, even though we weren't involved in Vietnam.
39:49Yeah, yeah. Because that's not even our, like, sphere of influence anymore. But we're mummy. we're influential at this point we've just cleaned up the South Atlantic for Christ's sake so it's one of the flirty kind of sex talk conversations between Thatcher and Reagan we should talk about that because they have a and this is where this has come out of right it's just that they're saying progressively dirtier and dirtier things late at night over the phone Thatcher is 3am she's calling her up and Reagan's just like man she's a fucking she's brilliant but she's so difficult You know, he loves a challenging woman.
40:25Yeah. Also, there's the whole Pinochet thing. I haven't cracked into the Pinochet stuff, but by all accounts, he's a pretty naughty fella. Let's open the bottle of Pinochet. Yeah. Lovely. Now, Thatcher, in one of the many contradictions of the foreign policy, because the Chileans hate the Argentinians, she becomes very good friends with another South American fascist dictator, but just the right one, which is General Pinochet. Right. And so... So she builds these kind of relationships with these sort of strong men leaders who are kind of like pretty like blown away by her. Yeah. Really. They've never met a woman like her basically.
41:01No, because she's got a bigger dick than they do, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so Pinochet is an ally during the Falklands because he's sending out, I think maybe he's sending intelligence, but also using, maybe using Chilean, office Chilean airships or something. Anyway. Who's electrocuting poets as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot right about him. Yes? You know how you send, like, intelligence? Can you send dumb? Can you... Right, so send intelligence, military intelligence. You mean, can you send military stupidity? You can. In a way, you can. I guess it'd be... That's called disinformation.
41:36That's what Russia do. It's counterintelligence. Military dumb. Yeah, you're trying to make a population stupider. Well, it's worked on you. Charlie could have been sent by Russia. That would make sense. To spread disinformation. Or China, yeah. You know how there's that theory that China, TikTok's making the American, making the West stupider? Yeah. I mean, what are we doing? I mean, yeah, this is a big podcast. Charlie's been placed about the Chinese. Anyway, the great thing about Thatcher is that even after the kind of the wool is lifted from the eyes of the world and everyone fucking hates Pinochet and he gets arrested, Thatcher's like, fuck no, he's a great guy.
42:07He's my ally. Pinochet, yeah. So when he gets arrested in the UK, she campaigns for his return to Chile and to drop all charges. This is in like, wait long after she's left office. And not many people are on her side for this, right? She's an outlier. Right. everyone's like i think blair's in power by this point and she's like this is woke nonsense that man is an ally he's a great man she stays friends with them for ages yeah they call each other all the time she's loyal she's mummy yeah now in 1986 a leaks emerge of as we mentioned last time thatcher's complicated relationship with the queen uh the queen it's hard to maintain female friendships it is hard you know yeah maintain group female friendships is tough so there's so much infighting and cattiness and bitchiness the queen thought thatcher's policies were quote uncaring confrontational and socially divisive because the truth is queen is the queen is a true conservative in a more traditional sense of it yes that's just sort of ripping that book up well isn't millen the queen's favorite prime minister i think wilson is actually wilson is personally but i don't know politically but this again this is the queen's coming off the back of her entire reign has been consensus politics it's been trying to do the best thing for everyone yeah and thatcher shatters that and says they're gonna be winners and losers maternalism yeah you know and thatcher says right if you're not going to be a winner that's your own fault for being sick yeah so after the leaks apparently the queen personally calls thatcher to apologize well uh the queen was described as having a quote dry wit whereas thatcher was without a sense of humor this is interesting she's she's said and she was depicted in the crown there's like this scene in the crown jillian jillian's in the crown yeah which that she goes thatcher fucking hell what are you doing to me i'm trying to watch this with my wife and You've got Gillian Anderson with Thatcher's voice.
43:49Yeah. It's like Pinochet electrocuting poets. Genuinely, it is. It's showing you pictures of Anderson and Thatcher. Anderson and Thatcher. But there's a scene at the Crown where they go play parlor games. God, she's so beautiful. What's the Scottish castle? Balmoral. Balmoral. She goes up there, like a lot of prime ministers do, to play parlor games, and she basically has no crack whatsoever. All the silliness of fun, she can't do it. but her her politically sharp lines seem filled with a sense of humor i thought well it does sort of surprise me from what from hearing her talk and speeches it does seem like she has a wit and how sharp she is in the commons yeah so that's surprising that she's completely humorless by all accounts god ah woo ga um yeah but then she had speech rights i guess but you're right in that she could put sentences together so perfectly that you think she must have she has speech right but she was quick off the dome as well she had reflexes but I think she probably she saw politics as like a game she was good at and it was sport whereas when she's not in politics not playing sport so yeah apparently she wasn't a laugh no she doesn't seem like a laugh no to be fair quite a severe woman but mum's you know do you find your own mum funny?
45:03yeah sometimes do you find your mum funny? you know in her own way yeah yeah mum's funny I think mums can be funny yeah they can be funny are you like booing your mum uh boring what I'm saying is that and I know this is now with my own children is that uh you have dads when kids want to play they gravitate towards the dad yeah and when they want comfort they gravitate towards the mum yeah and there is that's not me being sexist there is science behind that that you can fucking I don't know what coal is so I don't know what's going on there either, right? Maybe it's all once. Well, I saw my dad once a month.
45:43So, of course, the only bit of parenting he had to do was for like one day on a weekend. So he could make it as fun as possible. It was great with dad. He had a loss of Indonesian women to have sex with. He did. He was busy. And now I understand it, now I'm older. Now you have your own Indonesian network of sex slaves. I get it now. I am my father's son. now the queen and thatcher also disagree on foreign policy the queen was devoted to the commonwealth that's a big thatcher couldn't give a shit right following the u.s invasion of granada or grenada that's a weird one part of the commonwealth the queen summons thatcher to buckingham palace to voice a disagreement and makes thatcher stand throughout the whole meeting that's nice now there's a big uh i suppose that that power office would be awesome to watch queen making thatcher stand because there's such an interesting level of power there because obviously the prime minister has all the actual power yes but the queen has all the symbolic power and the respect and the deference now no matter what you think about thatcher's uh economic policies she's incredibly divisive she's very much like marmite yeah one of the biggest stains on her block card uh is that she was pretty much neutral on apartheid uh she was like ma it's not really our business to be getting involved yeah and in in a world where everyone was like don't buy the oranges or whatever and don't you know don't tour to south africa yeah it turns out that thatcher's she was right hey turns out she was right yeah that's what you're about to say she's on the right side of history for once uh no she thought nelson mandela was a terrorist should be banged up she really doubles down yeah um now i read something it might be an andrew marr that's saying that thatcher's problem with apartheid wasn't the racial thing it was the fact that you were not letting the free market rip because you were saying some people can't.
47:33You're disqualifying some people from the economy or you're making a two-tier economy. That was her main problem with it. Oh, so... It wasn't the morality of segregation. It was that the economy was being intervened in too much. And intervened being like no black people should be involved in it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Margaret Thatcher's favourite food included a dish called Mystery Starter, which was a gelatinous and unappetising mix of beef, consomme, cream cheese and curry powder. What? mystery start are you joking scroll down this is perhaps the most famous example a layered starter with a base set of consomme fucking hell christ cream cheese i mean the 80s are bad for food really bad really really bad because they're experimenting as well they think they think aspects like the future yeah yeah so thatcher presides over the establishment of zimbabwe from rhodesia um but was against international sanctions against apartheid africa she insisted in public that there should be no negotiations with the ANC terrorists because obviously she's been tried to be she's been blown up by the IRA she's very anti-terrorist the big thing that she does do which you still see in London today is uh the big bang sure this is maybe the most lasting thing she does in many ways well there's this and there's the cult it's it's it's this is why London is so much more um prosperous than the rest of the country the southeast basically but this is fully the world we live in today yes 100 yeah yeah do you want to explain it because i'm really good with economics uh i'm not very good with economics either but basically uh you did an economics degree didn't you charlie yeah yeah from ucl big bang so basically when like 100 tomatoes in the economy and we've got a million pounds if if you if you print another million that 100 tomatoes each one is worth a bit less and the big bang is when we're just like fuck it and then we just start again.
49:26I don't think it is that. I don't think it's that at all. Basically, what honors did you get? You got 2-1. You got 2-1. From UCL in economics. Christ. Yeah. I mean, our education system's on its knees, clearly. I mean, did you have to pay money? To what? To go to university. Yeah. Yeah, I think they did weaken it when, because they were just like, we need the money. Yeah. Yeah. We'll let them in. Did you not pay? Tomatoes. 100 tomatoes, a million pounds. What's that got to do with the Big Bang? It's important. Basically, the economy was controlled, much more state controlled to make sure there's not like inequities.
50:08Yes. And they just took them all off so that you can grow as much as you like, but it kind of meant there was no controls for it to spiral out of control. They take all the handbrake and the red tape away. And it sort of all became imaginary a lot of it. Yeah. because it was numbers on numbers and it just became sort of hyper... A lot of it seemed to come quite hypothetical. And that's when 2008 happens, right? When it's like you're sort of trading on things that don't really exist. And everyone's getting richer and richer until... It's speculating on things. Yeah. It's basically just gambling.
50:39There are no rules. There's no rules. Finance becomes gambling, I think, basically. So it ends the separation between those who trade stocks and shares and those who advise investors. It allows foreign firms to own UK brokers. all 300 member firms of the stock exchange were british but by 1987 75 of those 300 were foreign owned and the volume of trade increases by by billions of dollars uh in a week so this creates the the modern uh boom and bust sort of well well what's weird about this is that this then creates so her whole thing about monetarism is that she's trying to control the money supply yeah and get of inflation but what this does is basically encourage everyone to spend on credit yeah which then made up is made up money which then means that you're just people are still the money supply is not controlled because you've just introduced it as credit i think which then leads to the credit crunch 2008 when that collapses and also she's destroyed the northern mining communities and all those traditional industries yeah but then now because it's all about finance it's just been centred in london so that inequality between london the rest of the country just zooms and like and that's why like basically a lot of the uk is like uk is like fucking poorer than um the poorest state in america um but it's just london that's been thriving really yeah because it's basically singapore on the thames yeah and then the rest of the country is falling apart and those communities growing up doing blackface underground yeah now we're like no black we're not called blackfish anymore and they're like well what am I meant to do for a laugh well what's what's funny anymore then what about traditional British culture yeah we used to do this every day what is it so now they've closed the mine is it just like loads of bread is the mine is just full of bread like underground bread just skip skip skip him talking in 2000 today the predatory lending and the deregulation that Thatcher starts leads to the financial collapse yeah but then it's a global financial crash how influential was thatcher on it's more that you're unprotected global you're not sheltered from right because the biggest shocks and also it's like it's at the same i guess thatch and reagan simultaneously were building the modern economic deregulation stripping back yeah so this is in line with reagan doing the same thing in america you know the docklands canary wharf that all happens under thatcher yeah and so um the the reason that's all now so soulless is that that was just marshland and then are you saying we should go back to when it was i'm saying i'm saying i used to the marshland well i used to live in mudshoot yeah right when it was a mudshoot on the isle of dogs not when it was a mudshoot and it's a weird place that area of london it's very artificial yeah what's fascinating is that this happens a lot and i live in shoreditch uh a lot of east london that's now got quite fancy it still has the dickensian names of when it was literally a corpse dump outside.
53:34That's why it's like fucking Shoreditch, fucking Mile End, fucking Mudshute Isle of Dogs. So I went to Mudshute. And these are quite like fancy places now. Mudshute. Mudshute City Farm. I went there. I must have been about 24. I just moved to London. And the night before, I'd had what can only be described as the, capital V, worst handjob of all time. Okay. Hand busted. My balls were so painful. I had to go to sleep. And then the next day, I was being polite. And I went to the farm with this girl before she went to the um on the train i went rage on when i was just so painful right uh it was like hours and hours and hours of being edged by the gnarliest coldest boniest hands ever and then i had to go home and the most painful horrible wanker ever had and it was not saturday it wasn't fun at all it was just it was sort of like you know those videos where they get the pus out of um cow hooves you ever seen those ones it might as well have been that it was horrible and that what happened in mudshoot i mean that's the view i was looking at when i was i was in pain yeah it's a very weird part of the city
54:39yeah no it is weird part of the city yeah um but what's funny they've got all the they've still got all the anti-aircraft defenses from the blitz there yeah so there's like some pigs by a massive howitzer it's quite funny it's a funny thing anyway uh thatcher built there'll be a skyscraper in a place called Pissclath or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's the equivalent of like all the most important jobs being in like, I don't know, fucking toilet down. Or poo castle. Anyway. So it's a shit dump is basically what it's called. Big smelly shit. Where do you, do you work in big smelly shit?
55:15I do. God, you're amazing. Wow, you're important. It's the most expensive per capita area. You need a nice suit to work in big smelly shit toilets, Phil. Anyway. Thatcher. By the end of her second term, the amount of change that's happened to this country is overwhelming. Andrew Marr calls it the English Revolution because in the space of four or five years, the economy has been entirely transformed. And to be fair to her, she enters the 1987 general election with the economy experiencing strong growth. Unemployment is falling. She had increased it. It's still not fallen below the level it was when she came in.
55:54interesting uh but inflation is getting down but her view of economics is there's always going to be quite a lot of unemployment but inflation is more important it's more important inflation's the bigger enemy because she's more thinking about consumers than workers yeah uh shopping is more important than blacking up underground yeah that's that's just um political and to be fair the boom of the 90s that comes after major and with blair yeah that's building off the back of this right yeah yeah so uh in our next part in our final part of this epic series on thatcher and the forklunds we will deal with her final term yeah and the betrayal of mummy and we'll listen to a voice note of my dad high as anything defending margaret thatcher we'll talk about why your dad loves thatcher so much and why my parents hate him yeah and we'll also deal with him sorry
56:48and we will deal with uh uh thatcher's uh robust response to the aids crisis and her she was robust on aids robust on the causes of aids uh we'll deal with section 28 that's already on the patreon web for three pounds a month you get instant access to series as they're ready and you get a bonus episodes this uh series we did a bonus episode on thatcher's children and we're also getting into a book uh that my wife found in her uncle's house when she was clearing it out which is uh i mean it's got some very fruity stuff on women very funny uh that's on the patreon already the next episode uh if not we'll see you next time for our conclusion to thatcher goodbye oh i'm coming
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For too long, Britain’s communities had been indulging in a weird fetish for digging burnt toast out the ground whilst blacked up- so having defeated the Argies, Thatcher has a new target in her sights
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - This lady’s not for cumming
03:59 - What is coal?
09:39 - The Miners
12:43 - The Battle of Orgreave
15:56 - Scargill, Thatcher in blackface
20:28 - History of coal
23:43 - Paddy McGee
27:53 - Aftermath of the bomb
31:34 - Arming the Khmer Rouge
35:04 - Opening the bottle of Pinochet
37:10 - The Queen Vs Thatcher
41:16 - Apartheid
43:13 - The Big Bang
47:06 - 2008 Finance crisis
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