In short
The Edwardian campaign for women’s suffrage, focusing on early milestones and the WSPU’s shift to militant tactics (“deeds not words”), including hunger strikes and force-feeding, plus key opponents and government responses.
Guest backgrounds
Horatio Gould hosts with “Finn versus History” co-hosts (unnamed in transcript). They discuss history through comedic debate; one host repeatedly frames themselves as “researching” and cites specific historical claims and dates.
Key claims
Women’s legal and educational rights expanded before suffrage (e.g., Mary Lister as first woman to get a university degree; later divorce/property/legal identity changes; limited local voting). Suffragettes are portrayed as using PR-focused militancy: heckling, interrupting meetings, resisting arrest, chaining themselves, hunger strikes (starting July 5, 1909), and subsequent force-feeding. The government is depicted as refusing inquiry and prioritizing control over legitimacy.
Notable examples
Emmeline Pankhurst founding WSPU (1903); Christabel Pankhurst’s Manchester interruption and spitting to secure arrest; Asquith as “enemy number one”; Violet Markham and Mary Augusta Ward as prominent anti-suffragists; Black Friday (Nov 18, 1910) clashes in Parliament Square; Sylvia Pankhurst’s condemnation of force-feeding.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOOpening Remarks on Suffrage
0:00 to 1:10
Learn about the initial sentiments surrounding women's suffrage and its challenges.
“It is a sad day for our movement, but her brave sacrifice, it shows that we are willing to lay our lives down on the line and it only makes our determination for women's suffrage even stronger.”
Discussion on Political Activism
1:10 to 2:44
The hosts explore the suffragettes' tactics and their controversial methods.
“welcome back to finn versus history joining me is horatio gould today we're talking about the suffragette oh it's edwardian whining yeah and dining yeah um successful winters all the time to be honest I'd say so.”
Historical Context of Women's Rights
2:44 to 4:24
An overview of women's rights evolution leading up to the suffragette movement.
“sneaky gerrymandering that is gerrymandering gerrymandering who by the way is a non-binary Jane mandering yeah I guess Jerry works both ways though, doesn't it?”
Legal Milestones for Women
4:24 to 6:51
The hosts discuss significant legal changes affecting women's rights and ownership.
“And I want the frivolity of a camp man serving me a gin and tonic to make me think that I'm a gay pride in the sky.”
The Role of Chivalry in Society
6:51 to 8:00
A discussion on chivalry's implications and its impact on gender equality.
“Women, married women, could own, buy and sell property, sue and be sued in their own name.”
The Role of Chivalry in Society
10:35 to 12:31
A discussion on chivalry's implications and its impact on gender equality.
“They are the lone brave salmon who are sponsoring this podcast.”
Exploring New Political Dimensions
14:00 to 14:21
Discussion about the perception of womanhood in politics and chivalry's role.
“And next generation defences to keep enemies at bay.”
Historical Misconceptions on Women's Intellect
14:21 to 15:10
Examining outdated scientific beliefs regarding women's emotional capacity and intellect.
Millicent Fawcett and the Suffrage Movement
15:10 to 16:42
Introduction to Millicent Fawcett and her role in advocating for women's suffrage.
“So women, it was thought, and remember this is science.”
Challenges Faced by Women in Advocacy
16:42 to 17:58
Discussion about the political priorities that sidelined women's voting rights.
“Millicent's not a name you hear much nowadays, is it?”
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The Emergence of the Suffragettes
17:58 to 19:09
Introduction to Emmeline Pankhurst and the formation of the Women's Social and Political Union.
“and you're like, can you just enjoy this for a second?”
The Coining of 'Suffragette'
19:09 to 21:35
Exploration of the term 'suffragette' and its reclamation by activists.
“Phoebe, could you just find out when the first fanny was, Charlie?”
Emmeline Pankhurst's Arrest Record
21:35 to 22:31
Discussion on Emmeline Pankhurst's multiple arrests and her role in radical activism.
“The WSPU embraced the label adopting a hard G pronunciation.”
The Radicalization of the Suffragettes
22:31 to 24:06
Discussing the radical strategies employed by suffragettes under Pankhurst's leadership.
“Let's find out what Minnie Maguire did, because this is sort of the closest to...”
The Role of Christabel Pankhurst
24:06 to 28:00
Exploration of Christabel Pankhurst's strategies in promoting the suffrage movement.
“law but she can't practice as a lawyer because she's a woman so she feels a bit annoyed by this Sure.”
Introduction to the Suffragettes
28:00 to 28:45
Learn about the suffragettes' radicalization and key political figures.
“Right, so she understands that imprisonment is a political weapon.”
Opposing Views on Women's Suffrage
28:45 to 29:47
Discover the opposing perspectives on women's suffrage from notable figures.
“So suffragettes would hiss at the mere mention of his name.”
Anti-Suffragette Arguments
29:47 to 30:42
Explore the arguments made by anti-suffragettes against women's voting rights.
“They had dartboards with his face on it.”
Violet Markham and the Anti-Suffragette Movement
30:42 to 31:35
Learn about Violet Markham and her role in the anti-suffragette movement.
“So you have Violet Markham, okay, who is one of the movement's most articulate opponents.”
Suffragette Tactics and Militant Actions
34:28 to 36:06
Discuss the various tactics employed by suffragettes for their cause.
“Okay, this is the sort of the equivalent of getting a Prius, plowing through a farmer's market, driving down a beach promenade.”
Hunger Strikes and Political Statements
36:06 to 41:35
Investigate the significance of hunger strikes among suffragettes.
“they would resist arrest, which for the Edwardians, they have no idea what to do.”
Consequences of Force Feeding
41:35 to 42:00
Examine the repercussions of force feeding for suffragettes in prison.
“there are hundreds of suffragettes that go on strike.”
Historical Perspectives on Sexuality
42:00 to 44:11
Exploring women's sexuality through historical contexts and anecdotes.
“Think about how much porn is being made all the time.”
The Amazons of the Suffragettes
44:11 to 46:29
Discussion of the female bodyguards of Emmeline Pankhurst and their training.
“The suffragettes, as more arrests happen, they're getting tooled up, basically.”
Black Friday and the Suffragette March
46:29 to 48:13
The clash between police and suffragettes during a pivotal protest in 1910.
“And this violence, right, which is one-sided, it must be said, leads to...”
Asquith and Controversial Love Letters
48:13 to 49:55
A discussion on H.H. Asquith's personal life and its historical implications.
“Is he the one who's always writing letters to his...”
The Complexity of Feminism and Male Allies
49:55 to 53:19
Examining the role of male feminists and their interactions with female sexuality.
“Do you know that Werner Hotz went through Grizzly Man?”
Stereotypes and Misogyny in Comedy
53:19 to 56:00
Analyzing comedic stereotypes and the implications of outspoken male feminists.
“That's Keir Hardee, who founded the Labour Party.”
The Dark Side of Male Feminism
56:00 to 58:08
Explore the problematic nature of some male feminists and their hidden behaviors.
“you know those guys that kind of pretend to be do you think he could be quite nasty behind closed doors well there is a pattern there's a nastiness there is a nastiness to the outward male feminist.”
Suffragette Militancy and the Window Smashing Campaign
58:08 to 1:00:00
Discuss the escalating militant actions of the suffragettes in their fight for equality.
“The suffragettes, okay, are getting increasingly militant, right?”
Whipping and Political Protest
1:00:00 to 1:04:20
Investigate the use of whipping as a tactic among suffragettes and its implications.
“Sandy Toksvig is the head of the party, isn't she now?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00It is a sad day for our movement, but her brave sacrifice, it shows that we are willing to lay our lives down on the line and it only makes our determination for women's suffrage even stronger. Thank you. No more questions. Well, I don't know. Personally, I think you should keep politics out of horse racing. Yeah, it's just virtue signaling. You know, people come to the horse races to escape politics. Watch horses running. I mean, I've been training all year for this. I was having a really good race and some mad bint runs out in front of me and I don't know what she's trying to say. Well, when a lesbian runs towards a horse, you're thinking, oh, you know what she wants.
0:34You know, she wants that big, big, fucking juicy horse cock. And I'm like, do you mind? I'm at work here. Do you know what I mean? It's a time of the plague. You know, I'll sign your tits afterwards. Yeah, you chose not to get dicked down by humour. It doesn't mean you can have a fucking ride on my thing. Well, I mean, I'm not interested in some mucky lesbian at the front. I'm being ridden by an Irish bloke up top. No, I don't know. I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Anyone got any fucking carrots? Yeah, if I'd kill for a carrot.
1:10welcome back to finn versus history joining me is horatio gould today we're talking about the suffragette oh it's edwardian whining yeah and dining yeah um successful winters all the time to be honest I'd say so. I'd say so. Yeah. It's amazing what you can get done if you just be annoying for a decade. Turns out their experts are being annoying. My God. Yeah. I mean, and also, I did not realise before researching this topic, researching this topic in, you know, spitefully, the vote that women now enjoy, and I'd say waste as well. Yes, frivolous. Is built on the backs of terrorism. Yeah, 100%. I did not know that.
1:55No, you get these guys are domestic terrorists. They are. They are. The titty ban. The fanny ban. Yeah, I mean, Emmeline Pankhurst, I call her Osama bin Laundry more like. Exactly. It's a very sad story, this. It's a fight that ultimately we lose. Yeah. But it's a cautionary tale for whenever the issue of suffrage comes up, rears its ugly head, as it will continue to do so. It's a cautionary tale to keep it as it, actually. Yes. and more votes does not mean better outcomes well I think we should have a referendum on female suffrage I could sex it I would 100 I'd be 100 % in favour of sex it women can't vote in that because they'd be biased no exactly exactly it would just completely ruin the vote and non-binaries can't either sneaky sneaky gerrymandering that is gerrymandering gerrymandering who by the way is a non-binary Jane mandering yeah I guess Jerry works both ways though, doesn't it?
2:55Yeah. Yeah. Does it? Yeah. Jerry. Jerry Adams and Jerry Hallowell. Jerry Hallowell. Yeah, you're right. Exactly. Let's just deal with a little whistle-stop tour of women's rights up until the terrorism begins. Yeah. At the dawn of the 20th century, women had, well, they'd had quite a lot to be fair to them. Yeah. In 1848. They went back for seconds at the breakfast buffet. Well. You've already had a lot, Laura. it's bottomless brunch isn't it they don't know when to stop because right now they're the woman behind the sofa aren't they yes they are yeah they're upside down behind the sofa that's what we're in today and uh they had an opportunity to just have some breakfast and get on with their day right our female researcher who's i think a secretly a terrorist yeah has said though in 1848 they had access to university education they didn't get degrees which feels like a nice balance no no hang on it's not up to just because you go to university doesn't mean you're good enough to get a degree if they never got a degree that's because they're stupid right and it's an argument against a meritocracy yes it is it's the free market okay if you don't get a degree that's not the university's fault all right just because you're allowed in yeah doesn't mean that you get a degree just as nowadays you know women are allowed to drive doesn't mean they can yes so in 1878 they finally are being able to the first woman gets a degree that's how i'm going to phrase that right the first woman gets a degree 30 years surely just to be the first one charlie can we find out who is the first woman to get a higher education degree in 1878 transitioning the first one to do it you have to start the lesbians before you come to straight women yes because you have to fade it oh don't get me wrong i think lesbians should have the vote i 100 think lesbians should have the vote they should also be on the front lines in in the british army yes yeah exactly uh they should also be flying all planes would you feel all right if you went into like an easy jet flight yeah there was a lesbian flying captain balding speaking good evening um welcome all this easy jet flight i would be i would feel safe as houses if captain balding comes on yeah the butcher the lesbian yeah fem lesbian it's getting a bit no no no a butch lesbian flying a plane i know exactly i know i'm with a policeman's haircut yeah we're landing we're landing safely but i want a gay man to serve me drinks of course Because I want to forget about the seriousness of flying.
5:16And I want the frivolity of a camp man serving me a gin and tonic to make me think that I'm a gay pride in the sky. Yeah, a disaster. Gay man flying a plane, lesbian as a hostess. The worst of all worlds. He's checking Grindr. Loop-de-loops and then you're getting ready. Here you go, mate. There's some crisps.
5:35No. Captain Balding. Captain Balding. Here you go, mate. Captain Balding, First Officer Winton. Okay. that's what i would like on the plane perfect setup um charlie what have you found mary eliza lister um the first university of degree what was the degree in what was the degree in muff diving i imagine is that a bachelor of arts or sciences sciences 100 it's bsc muff diving bsc it's not an art muff diving it is a science and back in those days they would have had those massive head things to go down there. Jacques Cousteau, 40 ,000 leagues under the muffs. No, muff diving is a science because you have to really stick at it and it's about persistence.
6:21And the more creative you are, actually the worse it is. Yes, it's true. It's mechanical. It's consistent. Rick Stanton's an excellent muff diver. Yeah. Okay. He's getting the job done. Yeah. So Mary Lister is the first woman to get a degree. It took her 30 years because she found it tough. All right. Oxford refuses women degrees until 1920. Cambridge until 48 so they're allowed to go to university yeah but you can't graduate because that would be mad yeah because then you could maybe get a high paying job or something in 1857 civil divorce was allowed if adultery was proved or another serious offence which I guess is what would be murder in 1882 so they're allowed to be divorced if they're murdered by their husband yes I think that's fair yeah no you qualify for divorce in 1882 Two, and I think this is probably the beginning of the end.
7:14Yeah. Women, married women, could own, buy and sell property, sue and be sued in their own name. Right. I think that's the beginning of the end. So this is selling sunset sort of stuff. Yes, because before this, women's legal identity was with their husbands. Yes. They were merged. Yeah, they're part of the property. Yes, exactly. They're part of the estate. It's sort of like your fridge being able to sell your house. Well, exactly. Who's getting the fridge in the wheel? in 1891 R.V. Jackson kind of our Roe v. Wade if you will the courts ruled that a husband could not imprison his wife right really is this a big is this like a famous can a man not replace his fridge you know and then by 1894 wait wait wait so husbands can't imprison their wives yeah does that mean in the home for like a naughty step no I think it's that a man you can't lock your wife in a cage violently abduct or detain his wife simply to enforce the marriage oh I see so before that it's completely legal yes it's just marriage isn't it you know come on suck up and just take it love this is what they're being hysterical yeah you throw them over your shoulder they're kicking and screaming you chuck them in a cage it's called marriage love all right it's tough yeah it's about compromise you have to compromise being imprisoned this is old common law yeah so if she refused to live with him so if she said no to the engagement you could just sort of uh fireman's lift her into the house right i mean you recently got engaged yes did you think she'd say no at any point.
8:34Well, she has said no and she's in the basement at the moment and I'm waiting for her to cool down. She's completely hysterical. Yes, well, she'll be. We've got two weeks and I'm hoping that she'll change her mind. So by 1894, women could vote in the county council, parish and district council elections and they also paid tax. Did they though? Yes. What are they earning? What's the tax from? Where are they getting that? So anyway, That's what I'd be saying. If I was a tax collector I'd be like, well, where have you got that from? Where's this money from? Are you dealing drugs? You can't work. Now, let's just get into the arguments against women's suffrage.
9:10Okay. Okay. We'll touch on these. Well, no. I mean, I know it's kind of stating the obvious, but we should just for people who aren't aware of the history. Yeah, okay. The first argument is that it would, two words, racial suicide. Okay. And the vote would lead to declining birth rates and the white race would die out. I mean, this is your favorite period of history. Yes. I imagine a kind of a newspaper columnist. It's never been spicier headlines maybe than right now. Should. Yeah. Yeah. Well, women shouldn't vote racial suicide. That was a headline in 1900. Yeah. The colonies wouldn't respect Britain if women were given the vote.
9:50I think that's a fair. I mean, that's a given. There's a sound argument. I mean, a lot of former colonies don't respect Britain because the way we treat women. I think it's the beginning of the end for the empire, to be honest. Because a lot of people come over here and they'll come from a war-torn country. Yes. And they'll come economically to the UK and they'll arrive here and be like... What do you mean I can't cut my wife's clit off? What do you mean? They can vote. And you say we're backward. Where the fuck am I? I'm coming from a civil war. I have to be here, but this is a fucking disgrace.
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14:21they think that entering the political sphere would force women to unsex themselves chivalry chivalry was in a sense it was a sort of framework for coping with inequality it was a olive branch yes yeah the whole point of chivalry is like you can't have anything but we'll at least be nice please take my seat yeah but now i would like to say well that if you've got the vote there should be no chivalry so stand let's get up and stand up do there's a lot of arguments for women at the moment who miss chivalry yeah where all the chivalrous men well hand hand in your badge hand over your badge and your gun right your voting rights and then i'll let you sit down you can't have both yeah you can't vote and also get my seat on the bus if you want to be patronized right let's do it then let's do it yeah we're ready we're ready i'm I'm ready.
15:10I'm ready for it now. Right? So women, it was thought, and remember this is science. Okay. So this is 1887, this, right? Yes. So women were thought to be too emotional and to lack intellectual capacity. So evolutionary biologist, friend of the pod, Georges Romain. 1887. Yeah, this is Pete. 1887. This is right in the middle. This is science. This is Jack the Ripper's time. This is science. Okay. Quote, the average brain weight of women is about five ounces less than that of men. Her intellect is lower. Yeah. That's science, okay? So we're talking about the weight of brains here. But there's less brain to have thoughts in.
15:46Well, exactly. It's clear. It's obvious. You have less compartments in your brain to keep information. Yes. How much is five ounces in today's weight? About 142 grams. Right. And again, you know, weight is important when it comes to brain matter. It is. And with that comes the ability to make analytical judgments about political direction. deciding what you want to eat for dinner yeah or deciding to eat dinner if they had five ounces more weight maybe they wouldn't just have some crisps and then go to bed sad yeah uh these are all the arguments against women's suffrage that were fairly clear and obvious to everyone alive at the time yeah queen victoria strongly opposed the idea saying quote mad and wicked folly she's woman of the age so you know if she's saying it yeah in the late 18 i think 90s a woman called millicent forcet which a terrific name yeah millicent forcet she sounds gorgeous yes should we let the um there's a lot of rabbits for these dogs to see today can we let the dog see the first rabbit she's a page three girl millicent millicent what's millicent say about the iran war i think we should have supported Trump by using the islands.
17:02Millicent Fawcett. Yeah, stern, I'd say. Tough. Millicent's not a name you hear much nowadays, is it? No, it's died. Lovely baby Millicent. She doesn't look unattractive, but she looks difficult. Yeah, a difficult woman. So she founds the Women's Suffrage Societies, the National Union of, in 1897. Essentially, the story of the campaign for women to vote is one of men going, we'll get to it. There's other stuff going on. There is other stuff going on. It's bottom of the priority list. There's the home rule issue in Ireland. A huge issue, home rule. World War I's brewing. World War I's coming. I mean, you know, the Germans are militarising.
17:46We'll get to it. We'll get to it in a minute. Stop nagging. You let me have some space for a second to just think and be. It's like my fucking wife is planning the next holiday when we're on a holiday. and you're like, can you just enjoy this for a second? Can you just enjoy not having a vote? Yeah, please. Can you just enjoy the privilege of not having to vote? You know, it's like looking at a homeless person thinking, you don't know, you'd never have to worry about fucking bills or parking fines coming through the door. Or fucking ULES, you don't have to worry about it. I'm always getting fucking letters through and they're always asking for money from the government because I've spent.
18:25Yeah. And then the homeless guy, you just need to ask for money. You're the asker. Exactly. Anyway, in 1903, an extremist, Emmeline Pankhurst, founds the WSPU. We should place 1903, I think. This is the forming of the Fani-Ban. The Fani-Ban? Yes, the Fani-Ban. The Jihadettes. 1903. Have you got one, Charlie? Would you like to have a go? Is it after the forming of the Fani-Ban and before the forming of the Taliban? Well, I'm calling the suffragettes the fanny ban. So it's before the fanny ban. Well, no, it's not. That is what we're placing. It's the formation of it. Okay. It's after the first fanny.
19:15Yeah. Phoebe, could you just find out when the first fanny was, Charlie? So I don't want to... Charlie, no, you carry on, Charlie. So it's after the first fanny, right? And before Bonnie Blue used it to its logical end point? Well, yeah, it's the long road to that, I suppose. And before Manny Tuolangi. Oh, yeah, it's the rhyming thing again. Yeah, 300 million years BC, we would think the first vagina emerges. Probably on some sort of fish-like creature. Yeah, out of a swamp emerges. The first fanny. Yeah, the first fanny. I imagine it's like a scallop or an oyster hissing. I mean, it is the beginning of this story, to be fair.
19:50Do you know what? You're right, Charlie. We should start in a sort of lake in, I guess, Ethiopia. If I was doing a history film about the suffragettes, this is how I'd open the film.
20:06Yeah. And then a bloke, well, yeah, shut up, would you? No, it's just complete calm and bliss. And there's a bloke just sat there just meditating. And he's just staring, he's staring at space going, oh, this is beautiful. Isn't it great? And then, this sort of Arabic fishy sea creature emerges. I can shut up, would you? anyway so that's 1903 and that is the birth of let's have a look at emily pankhurst another another rabbit to see she's got something about her hey she's got something about do you think yeah but you're in a feet liberal cunt right so maybe you would say that you know i i don't like a raised eyebrow i don't like how she's roger moore i think i reckon we should i reckon we have the vote all right emily all right emily i also i also know that nowadays there is a type of wet dad who names their daughter Emmeline and you're like fuck alright mate alright mate what are you gonna name your son fucking Mahatma are you trying to fuck me as well yeah just fuck off we get it yeah we get it alright we lost it are you planning for the divorce did you get some fucking young poontang yeah yeah it's a red flag I should call my daughter Emmeline actually so get goblin get goblin love yeah I'm one of you guys I think women should have the vote I'm wearing a t-shirt So the suffragette, the term, is coined by the Daily Mail in 1906.
21:30And I suppose it's like, it's a derogatory term. But they then reclaim it. The WSPU embraced the label adopting a hard G pronunciation. That is offensive. Suffragette rather than suffragette. Yeah, suffragette, too close to courgette. I guess that's what it is. Suffragette means to get it. Oh, like that? Yeah, suffragette the vote. You'd fucking suffragette it. Is that what they're saying? and there's also the suffragist the suffragist the gist of it yeah yeah yeah we get it you'd fucking suffer get it mate so Pankhurst is born in 1858 she marries Dr Richard Pankhurst a lawyer he was 44 and she was 21 let's have a look ho ho ho so a problematic age gap relationship okay I mean they're animals so she is one of the most arrested women in british history okay so she's a she's a delinquent yes she's a terrorist seven times we glamorize breaking the law a lot you know but it's not a laughing matter charlie can we get a list up of the most arrested women in history just to place emilene pankhurst's crimes alongside her encompasses i'm thinking of the moore's murderer uh i'm thinking of people like rose west yes mini mini mcguire mcguire who's repeatedly arrested for public disorder uh lindsey Lohan and Courtney Love have been arrested many times.
22:57Let's find out what Minnie Maguire did, because this is sort of the closest to... Because she got arrested almost 500 times. She was drunk and disorderly. Yeah. Or the same thing. Whining. Exactly. So by 1910, Pankhurst has a surveillance operation to tail her. Right. Okay. So the Edwardian sort of equivalent of MI5 are tailing Pankhurst. Yes. Alright. I think that's the least. It's a very polite age. It is a very polite age. Which is quite funny. the way that politics and political action is happening in a quite like after you sort of era. Well, you'd say... It's a very emotional era. Well, you'd say these are the first rude people.
23:35This is the birth of rudeness. It is. It's the suffragettes. And to be honest, the British state has no defence. No, he crumbles. The first sign of people going, no. What do you mean? I don't know what they're doing. What do you mean? Sit down. Stop shouting. Please. I've said please. I've said please. Do you know what I need to say again? um deeds not words is her big thing so she's had a lot of um yeah yeah we'll get to it uh and so she goes well what actions please um and it's her daughter christabel who becomes a leading figure in the suffragettes yeah radicalized sorry she gets radicalized yes she is a lawyer trained in law but she can't practice as a lawyer because she's a woman so she feels a bit annoyed by this Sure.
24:18But again, I would just say we'll just be better at law. So it's like Kim Kardashian passed the bar. Has Kim Kardashian passed the bar, Charlie? Has Kim Kardashian passed the bar? Have you been keeping up to date with her attempts to be a lawyer? Oh, are you serious? Oh, do you not know this? Like Kim Kardashian lawyer. Well, her dad was obviously a terrific lawyer. No, he's not passed the bar exam. She completed her four-year legal apprenticeship in May 2025 and has taken a break for the bar exam. Okay. And has resumed her attendance in 2027. She has... Kardashian previously struggled with the state's baby bar exam.
24:46Four attempts. Which she ultimately passed on her fourth attempt. Okay. Right. So she is trying to become a lawyer. She's trying to become a human rights lawyer. Really? Yeah. To be fair. What? A human rights lawyer with a bundle like that. I'm listening. Bring people together. Yeah. I'm listening. Christabel, now, she's quite clever in that she understands PR. She's the first PR. She's the Goebbels of the... Yes. Yes, she is. Yeah. Suffer Goebbels. She also is the first kind of annoying PR woman, which we have a lot of experience with in our industry. It's an absolute cesspit, the PR industry.
25:18they are crooks and they do nothing yeah and then they end up with Edinburgh everyone gets ransacked and they do the least work and gets the most money somehow yeah and then they just get they're just drunk all the time yeah can you maybe do something for me given that I've just given you three grand oh chill out chill out I'll get to it yeah so the press quite hilariously obsess over her appearance which annoys her she's no I think they're getting worse actually I'd say from an attractiveness point of view does Christabel do anything for you I think Christabel something about her as well. Really?
25:50Her eyes are quite far apart. There's a certain look that some women can have with their eyes far apart. I think... Do you know what I mean? No, but I think you're reading into vibes. Okay. What are you trying to say? Just purely... You're trying to remove the... I'm trying to be objective and scientific. Right, okay. So you're trying to remove the kind of like having a little bit of je ne sais quoi. Yeah. Right. It's not je ne sais quoi because I know what it is. What is it? Me, me, me, me, me. I will say that this is a terrible era for women's hair yeah i just feel uh they're not doing much for me because she was probably like in her 20s there and she's got my great aunt's haircut yes that's true she just yeah like it's not that's not a good look no the um the sort of big big nest of hair like on if you're watching porn you're not clicking on the video with with a woman with that hairstyle.
26:42No. No. In 1905, Christabel and mill worker Annie Kenny interrupt a political meeting in Manchester. But I mean, that is incredibly rude because... You're just interrupting, aren't you? There's a meeting. Wait until the meeting's finished and then maybe raise your points. And they get ejected and Christabel spits on a police officer to ensure that she gets arrested. Right. Right. So this is like 7-7 bombing. Yes, it is. Yeah. The first 7-7. and because she wants to get arrested because she actually understands that if she's imprisoned, it's a PR tour because she gets into jail. Suddenly it's a big story.
27:17What is it, Charlie? Does she do it in like a hot way or is it? I knew you were going to ask that. I knew you were going to be like. She didn't spit on that thing. Yeah. She didn't hock tour the policeman. Hock tour.
27:31Maybe this is the first hock tour. Yeah. Yeah. Christabel Pankhurst. A political hock tour. Yeah. Is there any way she could have done it that would have avoided arrest? Because would a policeman have been persuadable back then? Yeah, if she spits in his cock. Yeah, spits in his knob. Spits in his cock and sucks him off. Yeah, and he lets her off with a warning. Yeah. Do you have an impression? No, that'd be a warning to you. No. But this is like, it's like you're trying to make suffragette porn. That's what you're searching. I want to vote. It's looking like I actually want to see suffragette porn.
27:59Yeah, Charlie, try and find some suffragette porn. So now we need to talk. Right, so she understands that imprisonment is a political weapon. And this is all about the suffragettes becoming more radical, okay? No, no, what's that, Charlie? Charlie. That's not suffragette. Why is... Okay, nothing. No, no, no, no, no. There you go. Sort of. No, come on. What did you expect? Bum out playing the violin. Charlie. Play a GTA suffragette. Charlie, just get rid of it. Just get rid of it. You can't tell me to get up on it immediately. Yes, we can. Yes, we can. find we want to yes we can so um um we need to talk about uh hh asquith okay yes friend of the pod liberal prime minister uh he is the suffragettes enemy number one yeah and he is a decent man yeah head of the liberal party and he he basically clear conscience he starts the welfare state yeah he starts pensions yeah um he's kind of this is the titanic figure yeah british politics and a peak of the liberal party which then will split in rankings of all british prime ministers is he in the top 10 possibly yeah he seems to although well maybe no maybe not because it's lloyd george that follows him but him and lloyd george split the liberal party which ultimately kills them he's like thatcher to the ira to the suffragettes right yes yeah so askwith uh argues that the parliamentary vote to women would not in my opinion be for the benefit of the state okay that's calmly made point.
29:33Calm, clear, no thank you. Good point, well made, Henry. Brilliant. That should end the argument. So he was the kind of enemy number one. So suffragettes would hiss at the mere mention of his name. Snake. Snake. They had dartboards with his face on it. He, as they became more militant. So they're already becoming more blokey. Yes. It's already happened. The death agenda's already started. Exactly. Bastard. Shiver is dead. They're all fucking Luke Littlers. Yes. he refers to the militant suffragettes as a band of hysterical women. Yep. Asquith is then stalked by suffragettes. Okay. And his second wife, Margot derides them as wombless, vicious, cruel woman, because she is an anti-suffragette.
30:20Now we need to get into these people, these women. There were women, brave, you know, heroes of their gender. Yeah. Who were anti-suffragettes. Okay. Back restore Britain councillors. Exactly. Yeah. What's going on there? What's the equivalent to Uncle Tom in this case? Auntie. Auntie Sheila. She's an Auntie Sheila. Auntie Pam or something. Yeah. Yeah. So you have Violet Markham, okay, who is one of the movement's most articulate opponents. She's very well educated. One of the smartest women of the time. Yeah. She's the only woman who's smart. She's got the, I'm getting the same vibe from that picture of the disabled people protesting how they should be sterilized.
31:02You get that picture up, Charlie? I shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. I can't read this sign, so I shouldn't reproduce. Violet Markham, quote, I believe that women do their best work for the state outside the arena of party politics. Well, the whole idea, because a lot of the anti-Suffer rejects, they viewed the vote as kind of vulgar. Yes. And there was like, there's a big thing that like, you can get more done through charity and you should be Jackie Weaver in the local council. the actual political vote is a vulgar masculine thing that you shouldn't be tainted with yes and it's the cut and thrust of politics which would get in the way of a lot of sort of charitable work right that women could do lemonade stands yes exactly yeah uh so there's also mary augusta ward who founded the women's national anti-suffrage league in 1908 um she yeah she i mean she does to be fair, looks like a bloke.
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34:30Okay, this is the sort of the equivalent of getting a Prius, plowing through a farmer's market, driving down a beach promenade. You've plowed through a farmer's market. I have, but not in a Prius. I've done it by hand, okay? Crystal Palace farmer's market, not far from here. It was arguably terrorism, what you did. I paid for everything. I paid for everything, okay? Not terrorism if you pay for it. But yeah, no, farmer's markets are quite, they're quite, I'd like smaller portions so that I can eat more of it. Yes. The whole thing about suffragettes is deeds, not words, because the British government and Asguth have been like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get to it.
35:10So Pankhurst immediately starts interrupting political meetings, heckling ministers. There's a story where one of them hides in a fucking church organ for 24 hours and then pops up. There's a comedic side to it, though. Yes. It's quite lighthearted, seemingly. But you can see why people are like, well, it's all a bit of fun, isn't it? Yeah, it seemed like it was just kind of quite like a chart. like in the film it's quite a funny montage yeah they're more jumping out of like bins and stuff hiding in bins i want to vote well you're in a bin love so i don't think you should get out of the bin and then ask me yeah no ask me probably right done um so uh the police would be called for these women they would go and shout at uh people speaking yeah the image of like a really uptight british police with the hat's like you know come on right come on love come on you've had your fun.
36:01Come on. But this is where the suffragettes were different. They would not, they would resist arrest, which for the Edwardians, they have no idea what to do. What do you mean resist arrest? Right? We've found you fair and square. And so there were like media, the press photos of policemen rugby tackling women with big hats. And this is all part of the PR campaign because they know it's images in the newspaper that's going to win them. This is what Christopher understands. In many ways, the first influencer, She understands the power of images. So the tactics get more militant. They chain themselves to the railings outside number 10.
36:40Yes, Charlie, it could be quite sexy. I can see what you're about to ask. They've got a real bruiser called Fiona Drummond, is it? Or Flora? She's called Flora. What's she called? Imagine a bruiser called Flora. Yeah, Flora Drummond. So get a photo of her up. She's an absolute fridge, right?
37:00She's like... She's a bulkhead of the movement. There we go. Look at her. That's... I mean, if I go... If I check the pilots... If she's the pilot, we're landing. I'm going long haul with Flora Drummond, right? I'm not stopping for fuel. Flora Drummond, she's got her foot down. She's not sleeping. Look at her. Fuck me. That's a woman. Looks like Tim Dillon.
37:24It does look like Tim. Get a photo of Tim Dillon, that.
37:30Yeah, yeah, no, remarkable. Tim Dillon, the suffragettes enforcer, Flora Drummond. So she would... I'm terrified. If I'm a man, I see Flora. She slipped into number 10. She just walked into a cabinet meeting. All right, what's happening here, love? What are you talking about? Suffragettes chained themselves to the grate of the ladies' gallery in the House of Commons. Had a worse Monday's. And then... The authorities had to escort them out, still chained to the gate. But, you know, it's humiliating. And, of course, being women, they resort very early on, actually. To weaponizing girl dinner. Weaponizing girl dinner.
38:13Hunger strikes. So July the 5th, 1909, the first suffragette goes on a hunger strike for 91 hours in prison. It's later called that. She just didn't eat any dinner. She did it on her own. No one told her to. Yeah, five glasses of white wine, I've told you. No, I don't need to eat. Fucking mess, love. You're a mess. How's Amanda with her? Well, because she's type 1 diabetic. She just doesn't have any of that. Yeah, BB, it's a complete disgrace. No, I can imagine. Yes, just if I'm not around her, she will forget to eat any sort of normal food. And then we'll sort of muck bang. How do you forget to eat?
38:50At like 11 p.m. But what's she muck banning? Just like cardboard. Ice cream and stuff. Yeah, ice cream. Fucking toddler. It's insane. yeah hates protein you gotta have protein how do you forget to eat yeah I mean they have they have smaller brains yeah I mean that's the only explanation I don't need to keep bringing phrenology into this but you know so she just forgets to have dinner and then the WSP you call it a hunger strike because she's like I'm not criminal I'm political now what if we did this in the IRA hunger strikes what is it about being a political prisoner which means you don't eat your dinner.
39:29Yeah. What is it? You're still in prison. Yeah. I don't care if it's political. You've got to eat. You've got to eat. Man's got to eat. So, but they release her so that she doesn't become a martyr, right? So then, they start, they're like, oh great, well let's start hunger striking. That becomes policy. And in 1909, the party introduces a pretty hunger strike medal. a little shiny thing for the women to try and get because they like shiny things you know and then they'd be presented with this at a brunch reception is this eating disorders? yes weaponised eating disorders yeah and you get your anorexia badge you get your bulimia badge then you go and have a nice brunch where you all get awarded then you go to the toilets and chuck it all up so the authorities find themselves snookered because if a suffragette dies in prison then they look bad but if they refuse whenever they refuse food then the government appears weak.
40:25So the solution, as it is for all male partners, and you know this as well, force feeding. You have to. You have to force feed. You have to force feed your fiance. Trick them into eating protein, steak, salmon. Yeah. So what Horatio will do, 11 p.m., is he'll put some salmon fillets in a blender with some creme fraiche, a bit of dill maybe, bulk it out, maybe some wet bread. Put an episode of the pit on, I'm distracted. Yeah. Wow, what's the shapes on the TV and then just... And then you just open her jaw, put a funnel in her mouth and just pour the salmon paste. Rinse, repeat. That's our daily routine.
41:02So prisoners... We've got a photo up here. You can see a woman just being... That was me last night. Sorry, that's from Horatio's phone. We can get rid of that. Restrain the prisoners and then push rubber tubes through their mouth or nose and pour liquid food into the stomach. Right. Okay. So the liquid food is milk, eggs and sweetened bread, gruel or a bone broth. And Sylvia Pankhurst calls it the most terrible torture. To have to eat. To have to eat. To eat at mealtimes. Yeah. So between sort of 1909 and 1914, there are hundreds of suffragettes that go on strike. And force feeding becomes quite a big PR boo-boo.
41:44I think Emily Davison, we'll get to her next episode, she writes a account of it and it goes sort of viral. it's not a good image no but I suppose it's the first woman first time a woman ever went I don't think it is isn't it I don't think so do you know what I think I don't think they go I don't think they go is in that way though no not these women no I don't think women are gagging on cocks until after World War II yeah but I think they were gagging on cocks and then they stopped gagging on it's like it's up and down throughout history do you think yeah so I think the Victorians zipped it up right I think in the restoration they were gagging on cocks do you think what is it Charlie?
42:23I know somebody who gags on a cock yeah and then she she threw up on his knob and then I mean when he jumped off he jumped off
42:33jumped off sorry I'm just I'm just I'm just trying to picture how that jumped off he reacted to the sick and then and then like jumped off and then she jumped backwards and smashed her foot a lot of jumping she basically smashed the TV he threw up on his knob and then he reacted and then she smashed the TV with her foot and then had to leave oh you've told me this as well and then didn't the bloke ask for didn't the bloke ask for reparations reparations yeah for the the woman had to pay some bollocks yeah yeah no the TV was off the wall and so he asked for a new TV she kicked back like a donkey yeah and I think he asked for half the payment of the TV yeah which you know I think that's fair yeah you know look you gobbled me cock so I'll pay for one half of it but you smashed my TV you also threw up on my cock so really you should play for everything it must happen quite a lot how often a day it must happen a lot I think it happens a lot how often a day how many times you know there's one born every minute how many times one cock thrown up on every minute the disappointing sequel to one born every minute yeah we just thought after the first one it would be another hit I reckon globally maybe like 60 a day 60 no 60 cocks thrown up on I don't think that's enough 2000 I don't think it's enough I don't think it's enough.
43:50A day. A day. Think about how much porn is being made all the time. No, but you never see any sick going on. What? You heard. There's got to be more than that. A couple thousand? Do you think it's happening now? Yeah, somewhere. Charlie looks scared, but also kind of interested. So, yes, women are being force-fed in prison from 1909. The suffragettes, as more arrests happen, they're getting tooled up, basically. they've got fucking floor of the fridge drummond yeah they've got an amazonian guard of lesbians genuinely they have a lesbian uh gaddafi amazonian guard right because uh whenever pan curse is going through the street yeah she's i mean she's being tailed by uh the state yeah and people are telling her go you're a terrorist or whatever is it is it a scrum is that the collective noun for lesbians a scrum of lesbians yes or a hike maybe i think it's a hike of lesbians i don't know what what's the what's the collective noun for non-binaries is it a like a a whist or like a question mark of non-binaries a mist a confusion a confusion thank you a trap no it's a trap of trans it's a trap of transgenders and a confusion and a confusion of non-binaries yeah they have a hike of lesbians uh the surrounding panchurst at all times they're known as the Amazons, and their main objective is to shield Emmeline from all the police attempts to detain her, right?
45:20So they learn fucking jiu-jitsu. Okay, this is getting serious. This is. There's a four foot eleven fucking absolute weapon of a woman called Edith. Is she French? Edith Garud, right? She's the world's first professional female martial arts instructor. But also Edwardian fashion is the least jiu-jitsu sort of friendly fashion. We're seeing a photo now of her. It looks like she's got a wedding cake on her fucking head and she's throwing a man to the floor it's insane right she is british right she trains this bodyguard unit yeah this is like when the taliban are in the hills of pakistan right she's in the like surrey hills this woman is training respect word wardian women how to throw policemen to the formerly respectable formerly yeah lost women how to throw policemen to the floor so she's like use your hat pins as daggers.
46:12Yeah. And then so there's a spate of officers trying to attempt to arrest middle class women who get absolutely humiliated because they get thrown to the floor by deadly... I mean, this is insane. Little ninjas. I did not know that, you know, women vote on the backs of jujitsu terrorists. It's astonishing. And this violence, right, which is one-sided, it must be said, leads to... That's true. It's one-sided, okay? Black Friday, 1910. Another Black Friday. Another, another... We stopped calling it Black Friday. Just come up with a new name for it. Pink Friday, probably. This is the peak, okay? This is November the 18th, 1910.
46:57300 women march to Parliament after yet another suffrage bill is collapsed. And for six hours, police and protesters clash in Parliament Square. Officers have been instructed not to make arrests. because they were getting wise to the fact that this is their PR tactic. And then protesters accuse police of widespread violence and sexual assault. But I would like to ask, what were they wearing? I think they're wearing a wedding cake on the head. Well, fair enough, you know. Come on. I'm flesh and blood. Yeah? Look at that. You're wearing a wedding cake and a fucking floor length skirt. What am I meant to do?
47:32What am I meant to do? I'm only human. I can't even see your toes. What am I meant to do? Eh? You're covering everything up. Literally only your neck on show. Only in the next one show. Come on. I'm a hound dog. Let men be men. All right? Boys will be boys. Numerous women later report being punched, twisted, groped, and assaulted. Yeah, but they're doing Jai Jitsu. So fucking... Well, I mean, come on. If you can't have the heat, stay in the kitchen. Exactly. And also stay in the kitchen. The government refuses a public inquiry. Okay? Because it's being run properly by H.H. Asquith. I always don't need this.
48:07Just calm. Everyone calm down. This is the long road to David Cameron telling that woman to calm down. Was Asquith the one with the young piece? Is he the one who's always writing letters to his... Don't know. Can we find that out? Do you know about this? No. Asquith, he becomes incredibly horny for his daughter's best friend. I believe he's 18 when he's 65. Oh. And there's a collection of his unbelievably horny letters. Yes, is it? Yeah, yeah. Venetia Stanley. A close friend of his daughter Violet. Oh, hello. So you know, in World War I, when there was like the meeting about Gallipoli, right, the whole time, he's writing a letter during that.
48:46Just like writing horny, he's basically sending dick pics, Edwardian dick pics, during the meeting that Gallipoli's having. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever you want, Churchill, just do it. As he's just drawing his knob and fucking posting it to him. I mean, that's where my great-granddad fought. You're saying that part of the reason he got - Yeah, yeah, because this fucking asperine was completely horned out of his mind. Part of the reason that he got shell-shocked, came back, his wife killed himself, was because this cunt was writing love letters to an 18-year-old during the meeting. That's amazing.
49:12Yeah. Absolute horndog, Asquith. Fair enough. So was he... What did Venetia... Did he write to her about suffragettes? Because he wrote to her about everything. He told her all state secrets and stuff. God. So he did respect women's opinion if they were vomiting on his knob. How explicit do you imagine that the writings back then would have been? Because now it's like I can feel you dripping out of me or like i'm jesus christ i think now it's like that is it well remember charlie this is all you have is writings because now it's much more visual culture it's far more literate back then so the filth would have to come through the words but is it like i'm throbbing or like or is it just is it much more kind of like my delicate flower burns well napoleon wrote to um josephine josephine saying i'll be back in three days don't wash but also what was that thing with the russian revolution is about a similar similar time the um the romanovs what was what was it miss lizzie yes nicholas zars nicholas second would write to miss lizzie you'd write letters to someone her fanny yeah it's not like i'm gonna blow lizzie's door but you know back out i'm gonna tear lizzie to pieces it's like i want to see lizzie it's still is anyone gonna say i'm gonna tear your cunt to pieces anyone saying that nowadays i imagine so yeah really yeah people are saying that are they yeah gosh i really like a common vernacular but i really am sequestered away aren't i sorry are they saying that in the confines of a relationship where they just grab your coat love i'm gonna tear your cunt to a piece
50:49um what um do women want their cunt to be mauled is my question maybe the the kind of they want to be wanted
51:09I can't got mauled. Fuck it. Oh, like an XL bully on a toddler. Christ. Do you know that Werner Hotz went through Grizzly Man? Yeah. Yeah. At the end, he listens to him. He gets mauled. This is what, that's what women want from their time to their cunt. I don't understand. is Werner Herzog to listen to it going oh no don't ever listen to this promise me don't ever listen to this I don't understand female sexuality asshole so are you are you a dirty talker in the bedroom oh kiss me buy me dinner first and then maw my cunt like a dog well yeah it's the two sides they want both I know and that's that's what I think that's all women ask for is they want both and men seem to struggle to switch get you a guy who can yeah exactly take you out to dinner it's like the guy who mauls cunt is also the rapist Can we have the guy who's at dinner and then...
51:58A gentleman. Yeah. I think if I use kind of... If I say like pussy, I've tried to say it like... I've tried to be like, I want to fuck your pussy. But then I kind of start... I cringe because I'm... Yeah, I'm cringing now. I can't pull it off. So if I say like, let me touch your... Let me be with your garden or something. Oh, for fuck's sake. Did you say that? I think that's worse. It's way worse. But how much are you... Are you chatty during sex? Yeah, but the other day I was like... You chat during sex. But you laugh a lot. Yeah, I just made a car. Which I think is unacceptable. We were in the midst of it and I was like...
52:26Well, you made a curry? I made a curry before and I was like, are you feeling a bit burpy? But like during it... That's horrible. Sorry, sorry, you're saying that as if it's getting you off. Like mid-thrust going, are you feeling burpy, are you? Yeah. Do you need a renny?
52:43Yeah. And then we had to stop. I'm going to spout gaviskol all over your tits. How do you snort this renny off my cock? Yeah. I'm going to splooge gaviskol all over your tits. Crazy. Am I a good boy? I said, am I a good boy? Do you say that? You feeling burpy? Am I a good boy? That's what you say during sex. Do you like being called a good boy? Yeah, but I want to be like kind of in charge when it's happening, but I am. I want to be a good boy. Am I a good boy? Like a dog? Yeah. Fucking hell. So ladies, if you want to be cooked to curry, get you a man who can do both, cook you a curry, then fuck you and ask if you're burpy.
53:18Yeah. So yeah, Asquith is busy uh mauling the cunt off his uh teenage daughter's best friend yes black friday is um yeah women be shopping yeah almost immediately the event's known as that um so there's a there's a deal on at primark yeah and again there's just they're trampled over each other yeah and the the police are just trying to get them to form a queue but the the bargains does something to their small brains yeah they're beating up grannies they don't give of fact yeah they're trying to just get their hand any collectivism has gone out the window they're just trying to grab the nearest nutribullet and run um so 115 women are arrested and four male feminists uh we need to see these guys yes now they are they are that is something that so four benedict cummerbatches the long road to this is what a feminist looks like yeah can we have a look at some male suffragettes um i do think we should start calling male feminists male suffrages.
54:14Yeah. Because, yeah, here we go. That's Keir Hardee, who founded the Labour Party. Yeah. He's the first one. He's one of the first ones. Are these guys getting a lot of pussy? No. They're trying to. No, but these aren't, these guys don't maul cunt. Right. Do they? Because they're too, you know, this is the great problem of female sexuality. I want to be respected right up until I want my cunt mauled like a dog. Yeah. And you go, So when do I push that button? You want someone who respects you, I get that. But then think about how much cunt Errol Musk gets. Oh, exactly. The messages I'm getting from society are marry your stepdaughter because one woman's another woman.
54:56He's not right. One woman is another woman. I mean, he is right about that. Technically, one woman is another woman. He would have eaten these cunts for breakfast, by the way, Errol Musk. This is the opposite of Errol Musk, these guys. Hugh Franklin we're looking at now. He's the member of Men's Political Union for Women's Enfranchisement, the NPU. I imagine he sounds like this. I think women should have the vote, actually. I'll piss off you. I'll piss off you. Would you fucking take a day off, would you? This is what a suffragette looks like. Meow. He's set aside a protest. So he attacked Winston Churchill on a train with a horse whip.
55:32He says, take that. People don't say take that anymore. Take that, Winston Churchill, you dirty cur. Now, his cur... Is that a slur? Must be. Must be. must be but it's I don't think it's a racialised slur we can make it racialised it's an old fashioned what's a mixed breed sort of mongrel dog okay fine and Churchill looks like a bulldog so that's pretty offensive that's very offensive actually I do apologise I imagine he's quite insecure about his weight yes and his hygiene what is it Charlie Hugh Franklin might be you know those guys that kind of pretend to be do you think he could be quite nasty behind closed doors well there is a pattern there's a nastiness there is a nastiness to the outward male feminist.
56:10You know, Errol Mask, I don't think there's like hidden evils. It's all out there. It's not hiding much, I don't think, Errol. He's not got many skeletons in his closet, does Errol. He's putting skeletons on the fucking front patio. But you know, there is a... It's fucking Halloween outside Errol. But there is a sort of, there is a trope certainly within comedy. I don't know about the rest of the stuff. The spoken word artist is a lot of... Oh, I can imagine. Charlie, I think every spoken word artist is a rapist. Yes. And there's not much you can do to that. That's the whole podcast stands by that opinion.
56:40Yeah, there's not much you can do to change my mind on that. I think if you're doing spoken word live, I think you've raped in the past. Yeah. And you will rape again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just my opinion. That's just fact. You were saying. Certainly in comedy, there's definitely a feeling that the most outspoken male feminists are actually the ones women have to worry about the most. There's lots of stories of the guys who fucking... You're a deeply problematic man, but then you go home to two kids and family and mortgage with a cash car in the drive. Exactly, yeah. My cash car is problematic, but that's for hygiene reasons.
57:15It is who lays compliance, all right? But yeah, well, I mean, I monetize my problematicness. Everyone sees, you get all the white stuff. Yeah, exactly. Anyone who only shows this kind of perfect image of themselves morally, what are you hiding? Especially if it's a stand-up act where you're working at it. It's like, why are you working at being nice? yes isn't it better to work to be like a version of yourself that's awful that people find funny yeah right whereas and then you turn that off and you're just like a normal guy right but if you're like the but we know the trope there's so many stories the archetype of the male the male feminist stand up yeah always the biggest always I mean yeah always the biggest scumbag anyway that's why you know people like Errol Musk are less problematic I think yes yes exactly because it's about deeds not words deeds not words He's not hiding anything.
58:06No, one woman's another woman. So after Black Friday in 1910, it's all getting quite violent. The suffragettes, okay, are getting increasingly militant, right? And in 1912, we have the Great Window Smashing Campaign. Kristallnacht. Healing Kristallnacht. They launch a coordinated attack on windows, all right? They bite off their hand despite their face. They're smashing up shop windows. Where are you meant to spend the next fucking weekend? So you're really obsessed with equality, but don't give a hell about windows. Yeah. Square that circle.
58:43Hypocritical much? Does a window not have a right to exist? Should windows have the vote? I think windows have a right to defend themselves. They would conceal hammers in their muffs. Oh no, what's a muff at this point? What is a muff? What is a muff? It's an Edwardian thing, isn't it? So how baggy are these muffs? I reckon Florian Drummond's got a fucking hammer in her muff. For loads. I mean, she takes ages to find it. because it's so big. Exactly, right. Leading on the haystack. Fucking hammering Drummond's muff. A muff is like a big glove thing. Right. Right, okay. So they'd walk around. Oh, yeah.
59:14So it's like you see those scooters. Delivery drivers have the oven mitts on their scooters now. Yeah. That's a sort of new age muff. So big hairy thing. Big hairy thing. And someone's like, oh, that's a nice muff. He goes, no, that's literally my pubic hair. Yeah. Oh, right. So we'll pull on it. Is that where it started? Is that where it began? I think so. In the tundra millions of years ago. Or Flora Drummond's muff. Flora Drummond's Muff there was you know when there was a little stop clicking at me when there's a little when there's a little scallop woman when there's that thing the first woman has a really big hairy muff and she keeps her hands warm in her pubic hair I'd love to keep my hands warm in Flora Drummond's Muff I mean is there anything warmer yeah the problem is it's not a safe place to be it's not a welcoming space for us Flora Drummond's Muff it's a hostile environment yeah but it's the great explorers she's hissing yeah it's frontier it is the frontier so women conceal hammers in their muffs and their handbags uh and and this is it's what's crazy is that these are respectable middle class you know women probably the most respectable looking women there have ever been big fucking cake hats you know not not an ounce of flesh on show yeah and they're terrorists they are asking for it they're asking for the vote and i'm like well that's not what i'm that's not what i'm here and you know they damage thousands of pounds worth of shot windows i don't know if we've recovered financially from it yeah i don't think but also you know the nazis christine act is when the nazis turn isn't it yeah because ansholos happens before that yeah and like as we say we're pro-ancholos christine act we go well hang on guys where's this going yeah i'm gonna get off the bus here actually we don't say the same about the suffragettes no we don't you know where where is the suffragette Nuremberg?
1:00:57That's, yeah. We still have time. There is still time. Sandy Toksvig is the head of the party, isn't she now? The Women's Equality Party. She is. They've got the same colours, green, white and purple, whatever it is. I think we should haul her over the coals. Yeah, we should at least get her to pay for the windows that are smashed. Listen, Christabel Pankhurst flees to Paris, right? And then she kind of operates from there and she gets criticised as being like a general directing battle from a safe distance because she's no longer, she's now wanted for incitement sight and violence. And we just, before we end this episode, we need to get into the practice of whipping.
1:01:33Right. Because this... Emily Spankhurst. Emily Spankhurst. Again, they love it rough when they want it. Do you know what I mean? When am I meant to turn rough? Help me out. You know, I'm buying you dinner, I'm respecting you, I'm kissing you first. Is it in between the main course and the dessert? I'm meant to mull your cunt before dessert or after? you know where did digestives come in so November the 13th 1909 Teresa Garnett fucking strikes Churchill with a dog whip shouting take that in the name of the insulted women of England okay nice she gets a month in prison forgets to have dinner and is force fed that's irrelevant really that's just come on at a Scottish golf club two young ladies ambush Asquith but he's having is this time off it's just can a prime minister not have a holiday it's stressful he's not the prime minister on the golf course no they knock his hat off and they whack him over the head with a roll up magazine right which is terrorism Edwardian terrorism for Edwardians this is terrorism right and on the same day they've basically driven through a German Christmas market you might as well have done at the same day Flora Drummond right Tim Dillon with a massive muff corners asked within a hotel corridor and attempts to lash him with a whip now is this a sexual thing well it can't why the whip why is that a tactic Is this the beginning of Dominatrix?
1:02:53I think we must be. The beginning of the Dominatrix. I didn't hate it. It was a surprise. Because he was like, God, that's annoying. Oh, who are you? Do you have any younger friends? So Flora is always known as the general. The general. She's always dressed in a navy getup. And so, yeah, Pankhurst justifies the whipping by saying it's perfectly proper for him to be assaulted with dog whips given his political stalling. Fuck it, in 1912, some mad woman throws an axe at Asquith during a meeting in Dublin and it misses him, but fucking hits an Irish nationalist leader who luckily survives. Yeah, because that's all going on.
1:03:34There's whole rule at the time. The whole rule is like a much bigger deal. We'll get to it, guys, all right? There's stuff going on. Yeah. We've got more whinging from over the virus. I mean, I know. It's whinging on whinging. We're surrounded. A man gets whipped at Euston Station by a suffragette who mistakes him for Asquith. I mean, it's getting unreasonable. It is carnage. And yet, chaining themselves to things, not eating their dinner, smashing up their shop windows, and whipping men is not working, okay? And so it is time for these terrorists to up the ante. If that was possible. I don't know where you go from here.
1:04:10You've started big. Well, new lows will be found. In our next episode, women be bombing. lesbian terrorists are ousted yeah and we will finally learn if women ever do get the vote yeah uh that episode is already on our patreon uh which for three pounds a month you can join to get in as an access to series uh we're the biggest in the uk and we are proudly anti-suffragist okay proudly it's a safe space there are forums there where you can discuss uh all your anti-suffragist policies and thoughts okay yeah uh there are some women there as well and they believe they shouldn't have the right to vote and they i i understand respectfully every election spoil their ballots uh on the patreon uh the bonus episode this week we're talking about nancy astor who's the first female mp uh which is a crazy story um she uh she was a narcy sympathizer anyway you um you never know what do this sort of stuff never know where it's gonna lead anyway that's on the Patreon but if not we'll see you on Thursday for part two of the tragic tale of the suffragettes from all of us here goodbye goodbye
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