When Britannia Kink-Shamed The Waves | The History of Sex Work (Part 1)

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1:43welcome back to finn versus history with me it's horatio goulds looking for a good time sunshine today we're talking about the history of good times yes it's the history of sex work a complete anorak of brasses. Yes, a long, venerable history. Venereal history. An almanac of venereal history, this series. Sex work has been around as long as there's been a guy too ugly to get laid. Yes. So this is one for our fans, one that will hit home for our truces. The first ever fat guy to walk around didn't want to take his t-shirt off. I imagine it's the first guy ever paid for it. And that's the oldest profession, you know?

2:20That's the oldest profession. is having sex with ugly men. Yes. Have you ever... Have you ever procured sex work? I've never procured sex work, but I did get offered sex work by the masseuse down the road. Remember this? I got offered a happy ending. No, I didn't get offered to be a prostitute. Sorry. That sounded like she was... No, no, my masseuse didn't... You'd make it absolutely great. My masseuse wasn't just massaging my back saying, you've got to get into being a chick. My God. My God, people pay such good money around here. no it was my back was killing me I was doing an edit session here went down to get it sorted out quite seriously needed my back sorted out blown out and then she goes happy ending yeah I go no she goes okay where was she from she was from China oh right because if she was English that'd be fine but then can you say you can't really say happy ending happy ending it doesn't sound quite you want a happy ending yeah they get away with it I think it's kind of you know happy ending it's not quite the same as happy ending blood What is that?

3:21Who's that? The German one, right. The German happy ending. Okay, yeah. Not quite the same. No, I've never partaken in the Devil's Cup. There's still time, no? I'm Presbyterian. I think the whole thing's sin, personally. Yeah, but you'd... I mean, bad... Like a bad divorce, bad relationship with the kids. You're on the wrong side of 50 and you just go, fuck it. I mean, there is something for a white man just going, ah, fuck it. In the same way that... Yes, but in the same way... 17 year old prostitutes. Fuck it. You mean the same way that it's like a Wednesday night and you haven't got anything in the fridge.

3:55You think I'm just going to throw money at the problem. Fuck it. Get a Chinese in. Yeah. It's the same thing. I'm just going to Thailand. Get a Chinese in. Thai tonight. Fuck it. Roses is it. I don't give a fuck anymore. Yeah. What anyone thinks. I've lost all my reputation anyway. Fuck it. Fuck it. I once went to, I've been, well, do lap dancers count as sex work? That is a type of sex work, right? That's sexy work. It's sexy work. But I think, I think the, are strippers sex workers? it's very much not sex very much yes because if you try and have sex with them you get barred right I think stripping is yeah yeah it is but it's titillation rather than cock elation really yeah yes it is I mean when they say titillation you're not really you're not having your tits elated no my cock is dilated dilated was that where it comes from?

4:45my tits are dilated I don't know if your cock's dilated my tits are weeping no your arse dilates it should be isolation shouldn't it i've been to a strip club i think three times in my life no twice in my life i've had three lap no two lap dancers both of them paid for by sean walsh i never knew sean when he drank yeah he was very different it's very funny to think he's only known sober sean he's now hosting a sincere mental health podcast and i was like that's my abuser he bought he bought me two lap dances i didn't want yeah and then the other one was i went to paris when i was 18 and i had a girlfriend at the time and the guy i was with uh he was like oh let's go and get lap dance i was like i sort of it was weird i got a girlfriend and i held his coat while he had a lap dance you held it i held his coat somebody to look after his coat because i was trying to close cloak when we thought that's a rip off so you just stand in there i sat on the sofa uh holding his coat while he went and had a lap dance and did you watch the lap dance no it It wasn't, no.

5:41It wasn't lap dance cucking. It wasn't cup dancing. No. I mean, that really is cuckoldry. Watching someone else get a lap dance. But that's quite a lot. Oh, is lap dance private? Yes. So when you got your lap dance, what was she doing? Well, the main issue was that she was telling me about her business that she was set up for toddler's clothing. So is there a lot of chatting going on with lap dance? Well, this one, there was. I didn't really know. It's like Uber when you said, don't talk to me. Yeah, I think it's slightly different. Get jiggling. Shut up. It's a slightly different power dynamic.

6:12So was she twerking Ponto Cocky or? She was a black queen. Okay. To use the language at the time. Yeah. But yeah, she was telling me about her child's clothing business, which was somewhat of a de-stimulant. Did she get her weapons out? No, weapons stayed holstered. Really? Yeah. I guess it's like, is this a British strip club? Yeah, it was in Bristol. Yeah. And I don't think we've ever done a strip club as well. Like I wouldn't mind going to like an Atlanta one where it's like, that's a proper strip club. That's like part of the culture, the culture. Yeah. You go there. Brazilian. There's a massive buffet, but it's more like, you know, you'll have a kid's birthday there.

6:45It's like, you know, it's like, it's inbuilt into, it's like going down the pub. It's like the strip club is just a very normal thing. It was more just my memory of it is, yeah, you know, and just business rates these days are a fucking laugh. I can't, I can't, I was a woman to set up. Yeah. Brits are not, we're not quite, it's not a stripper culture really. But I mean, I can actually sort of understand how much I enjoyed going to the casino recently after a night on the pints. I can understand. it's just like a way to end the night night on the tits i think it's good actually just to like to have like a don't touch any of the women don't get involved but to have like a dmc with your slot machines slot machines yeah it's good it's good you know open up with your male friends one arm bandits it's just it's something cinematic about you know having a lot of beautiful women dancing in the background it makes whatever you're talking about feel like i don't know there's there's a sort of glamour to it do you know what i mean whatever conversation you're having yeah we made it we've made it we made it bro there is a bit of a kind of finality yeah it's not which is ironic because you only really go there when you've got nothing else going on in your life yeah it's true but you want to be told you know we pitched a mad business idea you're all in suits yeah we're gonna make it and then maybe chuck a cup you can't chuck pennies it has to be um no that's salt yeah yes it has to be coins at dollars i mean maybe that's why it's so much bigger in america because of how small their cash value is.

8:05Their denominations go down to a dollar paper. Yeah, whereas a two-pound coin, you could kill a stripper. You could, yeah. In 2006, a scientist introduced currency into a group of monkeys. And what the monkeys did as soon as they got the currency was they immediately tried to swap them for sex, which implies... How did they manage to teach monkeys about currency? Positive reinforcement. They taught them to buy grapes and apples with tokens. And if they had those tokens, yeah, all right. So they understood that tokens could be swapped for things they liked. Yeah. And immediately they built a strip club.

8:41They built a strip club. Yeah. And they were climbing up poles, you know. Looking for a good time. But I guess the point is, is that cavemen, the bridge between monkey and cavemen, which we did in our prehistoric series, there must have been some prehistoric sex work. Yeah, of course. they were swapping pebbles for prehistoric tan I guess it's any exchange of anything of value for sex is sex work yes is it like being nice to someone is that an exchange of value no I'll set you if you're nice to me because that's just normal yeah I guess I know that's what I mean what line is it holding your hand what about like no but that's just flirting kissing on the cheek there is a line there is still an exchange of you know it's intimate that's still a trade what are you exchanging you're exchanging not punching them for having sex with them.

9:28Well, that's like a mafia protection racket. That's what I mean. Well, yeah. You need to pay up for protection. Protection from who? From me. Yeah, exactly. But it's with sex. Yeah. So the lines are blurred. But the commodification of sex and the selling of sexual favours as a profession Do me a favour, love. is firmly linked to the establishment of money. So as long as there's been money, there's been someone who's thought, I know what to do, I'm going to do with that. First thing. So it's about the Bronze Age, which we're talking about. But there was a guy, and this will float your boat. Sure.

9:57This is your sex work. Yeah, this will throat my goat. The Epic of Gilgamesh. The Epic of Gilgamesh. 1800 BC we're talking. And this is a British guy called George Smith in the 19th century discovered, I think this is the oldest book or the oldest written thing. That they found. And it's Uruk, that shit. Was it written in 1800 BC? I mean, there's probably older stuff. It's dated, but it's in it. It's the oldest. the epic of Gilgamesh is an epic of Uruk. It is widely agreed this is the first piece of literature ever written. Damn. And it's also the earliest surviving story of transactional sex.

10:36Right. The legend of Shamhat the harlot. Shamhat the harlot. That's why I shouted that masseuse that you went to. Apparently when he found this story, the epic of Gilgamesh, this guy George Smith reportedly whooped, shouted and stripped naked in the British Museum. Right. But he refused to translate this one tablet. He's translated the epic of Gilgamesh and then has immediately ran into the foyer. I can understand the whooping part. I can even understand taking your tie off. But is he getting his cock and balls out? He's shoving a flare up his arse in Leicester Square. That's what he's doing. It's the original flare up the arse in Leicester Square.

11:10I mean, it's a big discovery. I guess normally kind of scholarly academics don't normally celebrate that way. But this is how civilization has fallen, isn't it? Right. Is that, you know, 200 years ago, we were uncovering epic poems from the prehistoric age. and shoving players up their arse. And now they're shoving players up their arse, what, when England get to the final of the Euros? Was it even that or was it the semifinals? I think it was the finals. So Charlie's just Googled first instance of anal in a book. Do you want to read out what you found? The earliest known literary reference that potentially describes anal sex is found in the ancient Egyptian tale of Horace and Seth, where Seth gets a little kind of candle and...

11:47No, you're making that up. It's so clear when you stop reading. which dates to at least the middle kingdom 2700 bce um with the later versions including the chester batty papyrus it's beety papyrus isn't it um so yeah there's anal back in the egyptian times yeah i think let's place this i mean i'm imagining monkeys do anal i'm imagining i'm imagining some monkeys just do anal monkeys can be gay i think all monkeys are bi or do you know there's a monkey who's like just gay our monkeys gay are any monkeys fully gay fully gay any monkeys fully gay no they're mainly bisexual yeah sheep have the highest homosexual rate amongst animals 10 of sheep which is about the same as people fully get there they're all still they're still there are some sheeps that are benders no i don't i don't know i don't buy it what do you mean you don't buy it i don't buy it show me one there you go look there's a pride it's got a pride flag in the middle of the road.

12:46Okay, fine. To be fair, that AI image of a group of sheep with a pride flag, that has proven it. So you think really homophobic people - to exhibit exclusive homosexual orientation is sheep. Really? And humans. So they're just like a happy couple who, you know - Sheep! That's a slur. Yeah. Sheeple. Sheeple, yeah. But like, I'm always envious of like a gay couple where it's like, they're dinks, right? Double income, no kids. Oh my God. yeah i had a routine about this yeah exactly but then do you have the sheep version of that where instead of having to yeah there's these two kind of like well trimmed yeah uh adult sheep who don't have to worry about kids they can just enjoy their lives i would say that i think you could probably tell a gay sheep by how uh well it's trimmed and i because i've seen the i've definitely seen straight sheep the back end of some straight sheep there's some fucking blokes the back end of some sheep you're like bloody hell mate i can see you you were a 50 year old man at the football called Darren who does not take care of his arse and has not discovered manscapes.

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15:09This is the way. Our only chance is to work together. I like this kid. Always wear your seatbelt. Star Wars The Mandalorian and Grogu now streaming on Disney+. Read PG-13. So, Shamhat the harlot is sent by King Gilgamesh to seduce and civilize Enkidu who is a hairy wild man. Right. who's going to challenge King Gilgamesh. So sex work was seen as something to civilise someone. I guess so. But this is going to be a constant theme throughout this episode is what, it's in the eye of the beholder. Was it sort of like, you're not you when you're horny? Well, I suppose a wanker's quite civilising, isn't it?

15:53You know, like the Snickers advert, but instead... You're not you when you're horny. Yeah, so he just needs to bust and then he becomes a gentleman. But you're actually not. A gentleman in a three. Or, or more terrifyingly, are you you when you're horny? And when you've just bust... You're someone else. You're someone else. who's the true soul that's philosophical isn't it interesting question I think you're not you when you've just come so you're you when you're really you're closer to you you're not quite you when you're really really horny but you're definitely not you when you've just come you're a husk my favourite thing if I just bust is reading really well written football articles really that's like the perfect thing for me the athletic is perfect post-wank come down it's unbelievable it's like really good journalism the brain rot stuff it's too much it's not overstimulating it's just someone who you know probably is too smart to write about football writing really like interesting pieces about you know anyway king gilgamesh orders someone to fuck someone else uh she does it and they have continuous sex for six days and seven nights i don't buy it and all these fucking epics always make and through sex she civilizes him and he gains reason and understanding now is this a story of someone who fucks a an animal and through fucking them they become human that seems to be what they're telling me or a homeless man maybe it's a homeless person so they used to have you know you have those reels of people giving a free haircut to a homeless person instead of just shagging him just shagging him for seven days yeah I mean he'd love that well yeah you must be so horny if you're a homeless person they shag each other a lot I've spoke to a homeless guy about do they?

17:21yeah they there's like there's a lot of just alleyway shagging yeah they bus a lot good because there's a there's a lot of other horny homeless people as well help for homeless yeah so the point is is that in this epic poem from thousands of years ago the sex work is portrayed as an extremely important task on the orders of a king. Right. It's a civilizing thing. Royal decree. Sort of. That must pass. So in Mesopotamia, the word prostitute didn't really exist in our understanding of it. Right. They had words like karkid and harimtu. Right. And these are translated as prostitute, but the pejorative the word prostitute has, that's on us.

18:06Yeah. That's a Christian understanding. It's a Christian British word. Really, the word car kid should be translated as, quote, one who knows the penis. Really? Yeah. Do you know the penis? I thought I did, but I don't know. I've met the penis. Yeah. I've met my penis. I'm an acquaintance. I'm acquainted, well acquainted. I'm well acquainted with my penis. Yeah. Now, Ishtar, who's the goddess of sex, is called a loving harem too. And this is the, now the earliest mention of sacred sex work comes from Herodotus. Yeah. And he describes a custom where every woman was required to engage in sex work once in her life at the temple of aphrodite the woman would sit near the temple a man would throw a coin at her feet after which they would have sex so everyone had to be a prosy at some point yes like military service yeah exactly yeah conscription yeah conscription conscription lovely stuff and the exchange of money in the name of the goddess would means it was sacred thus it would be a sin to refuse right now historical accounts of sex work are shaped by Bicultural bias, which I refute.

19:06I think my bias is not biased. I think that's just how people should think. But this is most interestingly seen in countries that are colonized by Britain and the West. Because in those countries, they have this mad idea that sex work is somehow fine. Right. And not to be ashamed of. Seems to be all over the world, they think that. It's like Britain driving on the left. It turns out we're the outlier that think sex work is stinky. Yeah. Now in India, they had this tradition called Devadasi. Right. And this is an 800-year-old Hindu tradition. The Devadasi means female servant of God and refers to women who are dedicated to the goddess Yelama.

19:46Yeah. They looked after temples and they sang, blah, blah, blah. But they were also courtesans. And so sex was part of what they did. Sort of similar to the Japanese geisha, right? Very similar. Where it's like sex is like an afterthought. Yes. It's like a small part, which is, I guess, maybe in the kind of British Christian idea of it, sex means so much. There's so much value put on it. So with this, it's like, yeah, whatever. What's weird is that in British Christian, sex is so dangerous. Yeah. You know, it could be weaponized. Yeah. It's an awful force. Yeah, you're going into sin and you can never return.

20:21You must repent. Yeah. Must be done in wedlock with the blinds down. Yeah, yeah. Put a sheet over her. But with this, it's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Have some tea. There's just somebody who works at a temple. it's like yeah we shagged but i guess that's like but then the british when they when they colonize india they see this only they see them just as prostitutes right so they then shame them for decades right and the missionaries teach india what a prostitute is so yeah british colonists were like the ultimate kink shamers in a way yes yes they were going around it was they're going around what are you doing that's disgusting stop doing that i've got that out of your mouth Get that out of your mouth.

20:55What God? You should be ashamed of yourself. I've got a lot of time for this. I find the idea very funny of uppity British men slapping dicks out of people. What the fuck are you doing? Get a job, for Christ's sakes. Filthy hippies. The Devadasi were socially shunned and stigmatised, cut off from their patrons. They tried to make money by dancing at private events, but eventually they were outlawed throughout India as late as 1988. I mean we stopped being involved then so surely this is no longer our fault yeah you've had four but then I guess India was only a country for 40 years by 18 but this is what happens in Japan as well which we did in our geisha special it's like the sex work is there's no stigma to it and it's Britain that brings the stigma to it it's Britain kink shames the world but I guess the incel movement probably is like an anglosphere sort of started in the anglosphere america britain yeah online and probably because we haven't allowed these ugly men to bus it's coming out in you know they're bussing bullets and school oh fuck i'm gonna bust do you know what i mean like there is something like there's a real the male loneliness epidemic maybe the stigma of sex work and you can check out our documentary busting for columbine uh where we just where we deal with this further uh yeah you're right actually yeah it does feel like there's a lot of repression and like that there's not a lot of routes for men who want to bus socially acceptable routes so what so what are you saying i'm saying that maybe they had something right about this yes that basically ugly guys could all bus because and there was less sexual frustration you're saying incels wouldn't have grown out of uh 18th century japan or 15th century india no because they could bus yes so are you saying they could socially acceptable bus and hold on to some respect and dignity but are you saying that send me your bobs is the Brits' fault.

22:51Yeah, I am actually. Wow. I am actually. I didn't think of it like that. But there is obviously a stereotype of horny Indian men on the internet. To be fair to India, you have to remember how many Indians there are. Yep. And also the Chinese, who there's only, there's more Chinese than Indians, but they're not on our internet. So you've got to think about the percentage of people on our internet. Yes, that is true. They're nearly all Indian. Half of them are Indian. But they are also all horny. Well, we don't know. Just because most of the horny people in the comments are indian we don't know what percentage of that there could be loads of non horny indians we just don't know don't see them we just don't see them right because there's so many of them but also a lot of the reason for indians horniness is because of the arranged marriage culture right you don't have to riz anyone you don't have to learn how to riz yes so there's no there's just have to learn how to make a fire for if it goes south yeah that's afterwards that's afterwards sorry so apparently a lot of the reason why that this kind of quite blunt horniness yes it's because they're because of the sort of the collapse of arranged marriages oh interesting they haven't been taught game so they're like a 12 year old going out for the first time trying to pick up chicks yeah uh so there's two slightly different points but anyway we get to sex work in ancient greece slang for boobs in ancient greece is melons that's which is nice to know so melons was as old for ages as old as well as as old as i guess you just don't really when When you think of ancient Greece, golden age Athens, you don't think of them saying, look at the fucking melons on earth.

24:15No, you don't. But melons is a good one. But once again, I don't like slang for boobs that makes it like, it feels like you're still trying to, you're removing yourself from the horniness of it or the eroticism. The reason these sorts of slang exist is so that you can try and sexually objectify someone in daylight in a non-threatening way. That's why it's called melons. Put it in a sentence, please. Lovely melons on that. Excuse me. I was just talking about the greengrocers behind you. Right. It's deniable. If you walk past someone and say, look at your furry... You're in my living room. If you walk past someone and go, God, I'd love to smell your furry cunt, it's not as deniable, is it?

24:53You know, when you put it like that. Your honour. You know, you've got to make things cute. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's a very well presented argument, to be fair. Thank you. I rest my case on your melons. Now, one of the first... I'd love to smell your furry cunt. One of the first life-size nude female statues, this is the long road to page three, is Fern. This is ancient Greek. How am I saying that? This is Lucy Pinder in ancient Greece. Yeah, Lucius Pinder is Frime. Or Pinderopolis. The statue caused such a sensation that one man broke into a temple at night to have sex with. I mean, this is before.

25:33This is the history of horny guys. Franey, she's called. But as we have talked about. Sex with a statue. we are never meant to see this many tens in our life yes you go on the instagram discover page it's the most beautiful one you've ever seen from all around the world yeah you went to see one beautiful woman maybe yeah going at high speeds through your village and have sex with the statue of her yeah that's what you're meant to do but then here when you you very rarely see any beautiful women you see a statue you cut what are you going to do breaks in when his passion stained the marble thighs so he came on a marble right christ he was so ashamed he threw himself into to see that's quite Mediterranean isn't it yes it is so beautiful oh I'm so ashamed what's so nice about that is that that is a story as old as time yeah a man gets so horny fucks an inanimate object is so ashamed he kills himself that's as long as humanity has been around now Phryne's most famous story is that at her trial for impiety when conviction seemed inevitable her lover slash lawyer I love a lawyer I'm not sure I'm not sure I'd hire a lover lawyer.

26:39Allegedly tore off her robe, revealing her divinely white breasts and the judges acquitted her on the spot. I thought it was an amazing painting of it. That's a great painting. Wow. Look at that. So anyway, sex work in Greece, in ancient Greece, was legal, regulated, taxed and economically important. Well, that's an interesting argument for it, isn't it? It's like the argument for legalising weed, tax it. I think we should be doing that now. Yeah. I mean, presumably only fans' workers pay tax, don't they? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Because that's legal. I guess you are taxing sex work then but is prostitution that's not legal that's not legal is it in the UK not here prostitution itself is legal in the UK but soliciting soliciting curb crawling pimping running brothels advertising sex work paying for it or paying for sex with a mine oh I can't do anything star was Britain star fucking Keir can't even pay for sex when did that law change can't pay to have sex with a mine I can do it I want my money yeah it's my money Keir when was that was that in Reeves last budget outrageous outrageous so you can't it can't be a brothel it could be do you want to come to come over to my house i guess so so if you set up like a dentist surgery you know how they're always in like houses in the suburbs yes yeah if you had like a place like that where men could come over and it was just you that would be legal in ancient greece they had 200 different terms for sex workers like eskimos and snow yeah so you had haytara with like elite uh high value brass and then you had porn porney porney porneys referred to more economically vulnerable workers brothels street crawlers sex slaves so this is where the term pornography comes from pornographos which is writing about prostitutes yeah so they have 200 terms but we have a lot of terms sex workers I guess brass whores mollies yeah good time girls yeah ladies of the night hookers hooker devil woman she devil some of them get quite pejorative quite quickly slut But I mean, yeah, they're not all nice words.

28:33But there's a lot. When you think about it, there's actually quite a lot of time. I mean, I could name 200 words. It's just that you might not like all of them. But now we get to one of the oldest preserved brothels. I've been to this. You've been to Pompeii? I have when I was nine. This is when I went on a trip to Italy, a classics trip to Italy. What shirt are you wearing? Is it a wine thing? Extra, extra large Juventus fake shirt that I bought in Rome. Do you have any name on the back? Del Piero. Del Piero. It has to be. I knew it would be Del Piero. Del Piero 10. It would have been a... You look like Del Piero.

29:06If Del Piero had accidentally been inflated... Fucking hell, Del Piero's out. He's had a big off season. This is where we went to Roman Sorrento on a classics trip. I spent most of my evenings watching Band of Brothers on Italian television. It must be about 2001, 2002. And then we went to... what you had it timed every night yeah you get bbc right right tv and we went to it was obviously a fee-paying school and we the one of the some guy who ran a six-star hotel in sorrento six-star yeah six-star hotel wanted wanted to send yeah it does exist just you wait if someone's got a six-star hotel it means it's worse than a five-star because it means someone is like perfect fried chicken it's like a made-up thing not number one best hotel ever it's not a turkish guy's six-star hotel it's right so this guy wanted to send his kid to the school and so when he heard that the school was a school trip going to the area he invited us all for a massive roman banquet right and what i did was i ate so much pasta that i then went to a toilet threw up and then came back and started eating pudding oh which is roman roman style vomitorium um the toilet was in completely marble yeah uh i was wearing a 2003 del piero shirt you've been you've never been more italian it's about as italian as i've ever been you know when in rome put on a uve shirt eat so much pasta you vomit and then crack into a tiramisu you know i was speaking the language yeah more of that please yeah that's delicious um anyway but we did go to pompeii and up i climbed mount etna which seemed etna or vesuvius which runs on vesuvius uh clime vesuvius which seemed like a terrible crime for a fat child to make me walk up um anyway we did go to the pompeii i don't really remember this because i was 10 and i was probably um suffering from indigestion to say the least yeah uh they're not big on rennies over there no they're not but there is a perfectly preserved brothel yes it's amazing when do you go there then i maybe i went when i was like i'm not much later i was like maybe like 12 13 but i do remember the brothel were they telling tale of the fat child from Oxford.

31:18Del Piero came here. Del Piero. Diablo Del Piero. The tale of the fat Del Piero who ate his way through Southern Italy causing havoc. But yes, no, it's very, and there's all these like mosaic images of sex. So you go into the brothel and it's just all over the walls. it's like a menu like a mechanics yeah green but instead instead it's your you get to pick what you want hmm oh is it like a chinese menu i think oh well i'll have a number 33 and that's doing someone up the arse or whatever yeah starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times your to-do list may feel endless with new tasks and lists can easily begin to overrun your life so finding the right tool that not only helps you out but simplifies everything as a built-in business partner can be a game changer.

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