In short
The 1798 French expedition to Egypt and the British hunt that leads to the Battle of the Nile (Part 3/10), including Napoleon’s Egyptology ambitions, the French capture of Alexandria, the Battle of the Pyramids, and Nelson’s destruction of the French fleet at Aboukir Bay.
Guests
Horatio Gould, a Royal Shakespeare Company veteran stage actor (described as a “great stage actor in the world”).
Key claims
Napoleon’s Egypt campaign is framed as more about personal myth-making (echoing Alexander the Great and Caesar/Cleopatra) than strategic necessity; British propaganda assumes Napoleon might invade Britain. Nelson and the British fleet exploit a gap near the shore and French vulnerability (illness and poor positioning), leading to a near-annihilation of the French fleet and stranding Napoleon in Egypt. The episode also claims the British publicized intercepted cuckolding love letters from Napoleon, humiliating him in Britain.
Notable examples
Napoleon’s scholars (“150 savants”) suffering in the march to Cairo; Napoleon’s cannon shot at the pyramids (Ridley Scott controversy); Mamluks drowning under jewelry; Nelson’s head wound; the French flagship L’Orient exploding around 10pm.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBlackface in Historical Context
0:45 to 2:39
Discussion on the use of blackface in historical productions and its implications.
“That's not what people are talking about with the blackface, I think.”
The Tension Between Nelson and Napoleon
2:39 to 4:50
Exploration of the dynamic and tension between Nelson and Napoleon leading up to the Battle of the Nile.
“Because he knows that Nelson can't help.”
Napoleon's Rising Power
4:50 to 6:44
Analysis of Napoleon's ambitions and the political climate in France leading up to his rise.
“I unbust him the David Blatt and I only exposed.”
Napoleon's Campaign in Egypt
6:44 to 9:18
Discussion on Napoleon's motivations for invading Egypt and the strategic reasoning behind it.
“Yeah, because there's a start to become a climate.”
Napoleon's Campaign in Egypt
9:26 to 11:16
Discussion on Napoleon's motivations for invading Egypt and the strategic reasoning behind it.
The Birth of Egyptology
11:16 to 14:00
Examination of how Napoleon's expedition to Egypt marked the beginning of Egyptology.
“Automated battle systems that learn as they fight.”
The Fleet of Nerds in Alexandria
14:00 to 15:00
Learn about the peculiar mix of scholars and soldiers in Napoleon's fleet.
“there's never really been a fleet like it as filled with this many nerds.”
The British Press and Napoleon's Intentions
15:00 to 16:10
Explore the wild speculation in the British press regarding Napoleon's plans.
“Now, in June 1798, the British press publishes this wild propaganda because they think that Napoleon is going to invade Britain because all they know is that the fleet has left Toulon.”
Nelson's Search for Napoleon
16:10 to 17:20
Follow Admiral Nelson's challenging pursuit of Napoleon across the Mediterranean.
“He literally looks everywhere in the Mediterranean.”
Napoleon's Arrival in Alexandria
17:20 to 18:40
Understand the critical moment when Napoleon lands in Alexandria and the missed opportunity for Nelson.
“So then Nelson, as you can see, goes up to Turkey and then goes all the way back to Greece before he starts to get information that he is actually in Egypt.”
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The Challenges of Warfare in Egypt
18:40 to 19:40
Examine the harsh conditions faced by the French troops during their campaign in Egypt.
“They capture Alexandria on July the 2nd.”
The Battle of the Pyramids Begins
19:40 to 20:40
Learn about the lead-up to the historic Battle of the Pyramids and its significance.
“So that's like the Glasgow terrorist attack, but it's Chinese.”
Historic Context of the Pyramids
20:40 to 22:20
Discuss the historical context of the pyramids in relation to Napoleon's campaign.
The Mamluks and the Battle
22:20 to 24:00
Delve into the Mamluks' role in the battle and the tactical decisions made by Napoleon.
“Do you know that they're so old that actually we're closer to Napoleon than iPhones are?”
The Aftermath of the Battle
24:00 to 28:00
Explore the aftermath of the Battle of the Pyramids and the fate of the Mamluks.
“Have they got a force of white slave warriors?”
The Weight of Wealth in Battle
28:00 to 29:52
Exploring why soldiers took wealth into battle and the consequences of that decision.
“They'd like sew gold coins and jewels and precious metal into their clothes.”
Napoleon's Victory and Its Repercussions
29:52 to 30:58
Discussing Napoleon's victory in Cairo and its portrayal in history.
Nelson's Fleet and Naval Strategies
30:58 to 31:58
Detailing Nelson's pursuit of the French fleet and the naval power dynamics.
“But eventually, fragments of information begin to align.”
Nelson's Fleet and Naval Strategies
32:00 to 33:16
Detailing Nelson's pursuit of the French fleet and the naval power dynamics.
“Starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times.”
The Transformation of Warfare
33:20 to 34:29
Exploring advancements in warfare and their implications.
“We look at the fastest, most intense transformation of warfare in half a century.”
Strategic Naval Movements
34:29 to 35:15
Discussion on Nelson's tactical decision-making in naval battles.
“The End Wherever you watch or listen to your podcasts, subscribe at thecrimedesk.com and get episodes a week before anyone else.”
French Fleet's Dilemma
35:15 to 38:31
Analyzing the vulnerabilities of the French fleet during the battle.
“Because they're anchored in a kind of crescent along the bay.”
Chaos of the Battle of the Nile
38:31 to 42:00
Describing the chaotic conditions of the Battle of the Nile and its impact.
“got what's that condition called the egyptian egyptian ophthalmia which is an eye infection caused by sand and bacteria.”
The Battle's Setup and Initial Tactics
42:00 to 43:50
Discussion on the tactical setup and initial engagements of the Battle of the Nile.
The Explosion of the French Flagship
43:50 to 46:44
Describing the catastrophic explosion of the French flagship Lorient and its aftermath.
“of the exotic fetishization of the orient yeah exactly doing this yeah white women doing yoga all starts here it does uh you know the the kind of find the rosetta stone here which becomes a real They do.”
Nelson's Injury and Leadership
46:44 to 48:26
Nelson sustains an injury and continues to lead his forces in the battle.
“He didn't say I'm killed he goes I'm killed he's over the moon about it.”
Napoleon's Personal Struggles
48:26 to 50:50
Exploring Napoleon's personal issues and how they intersect with his military campaigns.
The Aftermath of the Battle and Its Impact
50:50 to 54:33
Examining the consequences of the battle for Napoleon and the British Empire.
“so to get revenge I mean, this is pure incels revenge.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:09Welcome back to Finn vs History, I'm joined by Horatio Gould
0:16we have entered the middle east we're in egypt that was the siren call that was a before woke uh historical epic set in the middle east a 1960s a 1960s epic where yes you know to today's eyes the protagonist looks a rather bit blackface sure a royal shakespeare company veteran one of the great stage actors in the world will be blacking up to play a brown person a white man will be using black paint to play someone who's brown they'll be browning up to play a black man because makeup was very sophisticated in those days yes okay unsophisticated i meant it was not the dulox color chart there is now uh we are in egypt well i don't think that's why people are judging that i don't think it's don't don't judge uh don't tell me how i'm judging it i'm judging it on sophistication is great.
1:05That's not what people are talking about with the blackface, I think. It's not like now we've got a whole mirror of colours to black up in. Now you can really tell much more detail. The sophistication of the little Britain blackface. I could see the border between Uganda and Kenya. I could see the border in Matt Lucas' blackface. When I'm looking at Precious from Come Fly With Me, I can see I think that's St. Nevis. Have you re-watched any Come Fly With Me? I fucking get to sleep it's my ASMR come fly with me because obviously the little Britain lot Walliam's getting getting his todger out and whatever allegedly allegedly Lucas with a blackface they got a bad rap you know and then we kind of went I was on a holiday and we went back to watch a bit of Come Fly With Me more to like laugh at it but you could check in with the scripture check in with the camera they bodied it yeah because I thought it would be like really bad and dated but I was like fuck me that's funny yeah I was really surprised No one said it wasn't funny.
2:04The performances, they're both, because also Walliams has always given me the crux, but he bodies it. He's fucking, both of them are dynamite. No one says it's not funny. Them as Japanese schoolgirls, it's fucking awesome. Fucking. You know, if you've got the BBC budget behind you, fucking do that. There's a talent there. There's talent. Oh, there's unbelievable at being, at being a white guy's pretending to be black. They're unbelievable at it. You know, I doth my blackface cap to lucas and williams yeah sages yeah uh however um yes we're in egypt sorry quick blackface tangent before the battle of the nile we are in uh 1798 and this is our first meeting it's the 90s napoleon and nelson sort of sort of um trying to create narrative tension yeah this is part three of sexual tension between the two of them i don't think i don't think there was i think there was because the fact that they well the fact that they never met i think the fact that you know nelson's sort of crawling around in the moat and then uh napoleon's like a tiger walking around on land there's just that there's a there's a kinetic sexual energy don't you think about them all just sort of and also the fact that nelson's sort of chasing after him well there's a bit of that and he's like oh who's behind me yeah do you find it really that there's there's a kind of there's an unspoken sexual tension there i don't think napoleon had any sexual tension i think he just he just busted in two seconds and that was it yeah and he just made a little tense yeah he would take the sexual tension here they're like no who would bottom who would top now this is a good question nelson's top absolutely yes nelson tops everyone yes but i'll tell you what nelson might bottom because nelson as much as he can think for himself he is a subservient man who will bend for the country king and country you know and napoleon doesn't bend for anyone so he's going to bend down and think of england bend over and think of england because as much as he's a hero he will bend when it comes to it he lays down his life you know you're right i think it'd be fascinating because uh you know nelson would go for the straightaway just go the most direct thing napoleon would try and he would expect that so he'd think right well nelson's going to try and go for me so i'm going to outflank him.
4:23I'm going to leave my ass unguarded. Because he knows that Nelson can't help. As he does at Austerlitz, yeah. And then just flip him and start bumming him in two seconds and then done. It's finished. Which is also, that's my technique, I must say. That's my wedding night move. Where you leave the flank unguarded. She comes in the bride of the dress and I've exposed the Pratzland Heights. Not to skip ahead in the story. The Pratzland Heights are exposed. Your tailored bum flat into your wedding suit. Yeah. I unbust him the David Blatt and I only exposed. And as she goes to the back, I flip them over.
4:56Right. You know. It's been a very sexual series, actually. It's a sexual time. It's the romantic era. I guess it's, yeah, it's romantic. Napoleon's got a slut wife with coal for a mouth. He's sticking his dick in for two seconds like a dog. Anyway, listen, we're getting ahead of ourselves. This is the first arena of, now, not to hum actually myself, but the Napoleonic Wars. Auto-erotic hum actually. Auto-erotic.
5:23The Napoleonic Wars have not yet begun. This is technically still within the French Revolutionary Wars. Okay. Yes. Just to calm down. Okay. Fedora's back on. Because the French Revolution was nine years ago or so. Yes. Roughly like that. Yeah. So to recap, Nelson has lost an eye and an arm. Yeah. Napoleon is dominating continental Europe. and by that I mean mainly Northern Italy. Northern Italy, yeah. And for all he is dominating Northern Italy, his wife is being dominated by a gay man. Hippolyte Charles, however you say his name. Now, Napoleon is not yet the ruler of France, but he is becoming such a fixture, such a celebrity.
6:11Also, the French state is very weak at the moment. It's run by like a council. Has it ever not been? Sure. France is France. Right. There is a vacuum, as ever, at the top of the French state. But Napoleon is becoming a kind of unignorable threat. Maybe it's the wrong word. There's a gathering sense that Napoleon may be too... He's either going to take over France or he's going to have to be dealt with. Yeah. Because he's too powerful. He's gaining too much esteem within the military. So all of the kind of boring, scared bureaucrats are trying to get him out of Paris, basically. Yeah, because there's a start to become a climate.
6:50The French people want someone to just fucking lead them. Right. Okay. It's very quite Hitlerian, isn't it? Well, it's a Hitlerian journey. This is 1930s Germany, but in France. In France. It's sacre blood. It's French Hitler. There's a Hitlerian-ness to Napoleon, as there will be throughout this story. so uh napoleon is kind of starting to do his own thing right right so he's kind of a law into himself yeah robbie williams yes he's left take that uh and he but he's not yet having a documentary where he's in his pants for the entirety of it in his bed sad yeah they've seen that documentary yeah yeah i did actually just in his pants in his bed being like yeah no it was actually it's pretty good doing that yeah that's meant sit up and put some trousers on robbie yeah anyway so why are they going to Egypt?
7:40Basically Napoleon has designs for two things he wants to be Alexander the Great and obviously Alexander the Great is bossing around He says something like all great men all great names have been made in Asia he believes that if you really want to write your name in history it is in that middle section that you have to have some and he also now at this point the England have the East India Company and we have pretty much, is it the Raj yet? Maybe not. Not yet. Not yet the Raj, but we're pretty much, we're running India. Or at least the company's running India. I think running ports and we're extracting a lot of wealth from it, but I don't think it's...
8:17Well, we're doing business with them. We're doing business with the Indians. We're sending bobs to India. We're sending bobs to India and they're gratefully receiving them. Part of the reason they get so angry is they stop getting their bobs. When is someone going to give them their bobs? Give the Indians their bobs back. anyway in the british museum they're asking for their bobs back um they want the cohen or bob back to them anyway so uh now napoleon is the one of the first people all right to spot that the suez isthmus could lead to a canal yeah so uh part of england's great cuckoldry in the century is designed by napoleon interesting he's the first person to think if we just through that yeah we can get into the uh what would it be red sea yeah uh and then yeah um so i think uh is that the same one it's not it's on the other side it's wrong one listener this episode of fin versus history is brought to you by surf shark what more can we say about our friends at surf shark that we already haven't they are the bread the lone brave salmon yes who are sponsoring this podcast the unsponsorable podcast they said not surf shark the people who provide the best virtual pussy networks in the entire country said no no they are responsible i believe the kind of people who are buying surf shark are the same tot of people good people who listen to fifth history innocent men innocent until proven guilty ignorant thick ignorant until proven guilty good they use vpns because actually some of this show you need a vpn to watch yes what is a vpn imagine you're charlie and you spend your time googling questions that you have no right to be bothering with but you're worried this is this is this stops you being like you're worried about coming across like a freak this is where vpn comes in okay it protects your search history from your employer from your spouse from whoever now we must stress the trauma that you have from what you've searched if that imprints on your brain if that changes your relationship to sex to to go into the toilet to work that vpns can't help with we can't help you we can't help you with that yeah do not come looking to us for liability over the fact you're a head case all right what you look at in your own home is none of my business okay keep it to yourself keep it yourself use surf shark to help keep it to yourself they have three and a half thousand servers in a hundred countries a hundred countries what does that mean what does that mean i do not know yeah i don't know but all i know is that they're the only brand that sponsor us and so i will die for them you're a brave man you're better than me i am right yet again i'm alone sammons swimming upstream right 30 day money back guarantee yeah risk free yeah god bless serve shark and god save the king keep your data safe and we'll see you next time goodbye he also wants is everything we knew about warfare changing right before our eyes the war in ukraine began with tanks and infantry now drones network systems and low-cost weapons wage a battle for dominance
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12:59Because you can't attack the British directly. fundamentally strategically it's not really justified here's the whole justification is i want to stop their lucrative trade in india i'm going to invade egypt the bobs trade i need to disrupt the bobs trade but none of our trade was going through egypt really so though there's a small argument for it it does not really make sense the reason he's going is historical more than anything yes it's to build his name it's to walk where alexander the great walked but it's strategically kind of pointless and that's partly why nelson has no idea where he's going because it makes no sense to go to egypt napoleon is an enlightenment man sure and he is he's he's he's consciously echoing the uh classics caesar cleopatra uh and this and so this his expedition to Egypt is the birth of Egyptology.
13:55Yeah. So he starts the fascination with Egypt. Because on his boats, there's all these scholars, philosophers, there's never really been a fleet like it as filled with this many nerds. 150 savants. Yeah. Which is French for nerd. He's got the hum actuallys on his boat. 150 hum actuallys. And what's so funny about these guys, right, these sort of, these book botherers is that they get there and then they land in Alexandria and then they have to walk to Cairo, which is miles in the heat, 50 degree heat or whatever. And they're so depressed and spazzed out by it that they're walking wearing wool uniforms and they just kill themselves.
14:32They just shoot themselves in the head while they're walking in front of the soldiers. Who do? The savants. Really? Like a number of savants. You know, these great men, these scholars, scholars and racists, a lot of them. And they are so succumbing to dysentery, flies, heat. They just go mad and shoot themselves in front of the marching troops. Anyway, Napoleon set sail from Toulon with 13 ships of the line. Ladies, I'm warning, what are you still doing here? We're discussing ships of the line. 40 ,000 troops, 150 nerds. Now, in June 1798, the British press publishes this wild propaganda because they think that Napoleon is going to invade Britain because all they know is that the fleet has left Toulon.
15:16they could either come round the Straits of Gibraltar and go and invade Britain and the British, they don't know where he's going. They think, are they going to Ireland? Portugal? Are they going to attack the Ottomans? Are they going to go to India? All this thought is that Napoleon's got like proto-submarines or he's got a hot air balloon fleet. Or he's got a big shovel he's going to dig under the tunnel. Fucking dig under the tunnel. They don't know where he's going. There's rumours that he's such a madman that were he to land, the French would eat British babies. Is it Daily Express sort of stuff?
15:47It hasn't really changed, to be fair. So, in June 1798, Admiral Horatio Nelson is given the mission to find Napoleon, find where he's going, and fuck him up wherever you find him. We're looking at a map now of the chase across the Mediterranean. I mean, he looks everywhere. He's looking absolutely everywhere. He literally looks everywhere in the Mediterranean. No stone unturned. it's the heat map of a man who's really doesn't know what position he's playing yeah um it's a bit like the heat map of sulk campbell's never-ending slide tackle where it just goes off the pitch for ages so he starts in cadiz he goes to sardinia then he goes back up to toulon then he goes round to uh all the way down italy to naples he meets um the hamiltons uh not yet he does meet the hamiltons on the way because he asked him he asked them when opponent because So everyone's giving him like tidbits about where Napoleon could be.
16:46Yeah, so it's very like... It's Chinese whispers. Yeah, it's quite... So he went there. Hamilton says that Napoleon's at Sardinia. He goes there. They say that he has gone to Malta, you know, and it just keeps going. So he's looking all the way around, and then Whisper starts to get to him that maybe he's gone to Egypt. So Nelson lands at Alexandria but can't find him. So then he leaves. But they've taken Alexandria. No, no, no. Literally 24 hours later, Napoleon lands. Right. And Nelson thinks, oh, he's not in Egypt. So they miss each other by 24 hours. Interesting. So then Nelson, as you can see, goes up to Turkey and then goes all the way back to Greece before he starts to get information that he is actually in Egypt.
17:30So they miss each other by a matter of hours. I didn't know that. But what's crazy about this is that, you know, the Mediterranean is fucking massive. This is pre-Sat-Nav. Yeah. and you are hunting a fleet of 13 ships. I did think it would be easier to see a fleet. I guess... The sea's fucking huge. Yeah, I guess it's big, yeah. I mean, this is just pure instinct. Does Napoleon know that he's getting chased? I don't know that he does. Really? He's just flying about. It does feel mad that none of this information is getting about these two big fleets. There's a massive sea. There's other ships going around the gossip around the Mediterranean.
18:06There's a lot of trade. They're not that big a fleet. It's not like... Also, I wouldn't believe you're just a mad pirate guy. I wouldn't believe you. I don't know how many fishing boats are bobbing around. Right. There's going to be a... Basically, there's going to be a Greek guy on the coast, and they're going to be like, have you seen Napoleon? He's like, I don't fucking know, mate. I don't fucking know, mate. I saw a big ship I go over there, but I fucking... I don't fucking know. It's lunchtime. I don't know. So eventually, right, Napoleon lands in Alexandria in July 1798. They capture Alexandria on July the 2nd.
18:44Should we play 1798? 1798, right. Well, what's that? Is this after the invention of the spinning Jenny? Surely. Jenny's must be spinning. Can we check that, Charlie? Are Jenny's spinning? Yes. Right. Jenny's are spinning. and is this before
19:08Chinese security guard spins a man with his legs. Take a look at this. This is the most Chinese thing you've ever seen in your life. That's you introduce, it's your dad introducing his new girlfriend to you. Go second one, second one. Kids, check us out. This is the most Chinese thing you've ever seen in your life. Tired ride walks in. This is, it was. Oh my God. Now. No, all I'm saying is that's my wedding night move. I leave the flanks open and I flip my wife down and then suddenly I'm on top. Oh my God. So that's like the Glasgow terrorist attack, but it's Chinese. I don't think if you're Chinese and you can do that, I don't think you should do that because it's, as you say, it feels racist.
19:52Because then I think that all Chinese people can do that. Yeah, I do sort of think that. I think anyone who says they're not, it's like if it came to it, you'd whip it out. you're trying to live a normal life you don't want to be bothered stereotypes but if it came to it you'd whip it out yeah yeah and it's why they're so rude in restaurants because they're like i can get away with it because you don't know what i'm capable of excuse me where's my food right i ordered this an hour ago
20:22so it was after the spinning jenny and it was before a chinese man spanned someone with his legs i guess um do we have a chinese name that rhymes with jenny jin haoli jin haoli terrific comedian um it was after the spinning jenny but before the spinning zanny uh the battle of the nile so july the first the french land in egypt they capture alexandra quite quickly and then they begin this grueling march as i said 43 degrees heat in london these days yeah uh they're suffering from dysentery there is so much poo in their story right oh yeah not to bring the tone down there's so much uh that in this you know the napoleonic wars they're such a it's such a technicolor in my head it's such a technicolor conflict still a dirty one in my head it's still covered it they're still covered in a lot of grit and poo and stuff they are in this in this one there's a lot of poo in it but i i just in my head i get over because i what's sharp but in my head it's like you know it's it's fucking the technicolor of the zulu film yes it's the bright red coats and it's the bright blue uniforms and it's the shining copper cavalry hats and the white horses and the hussar you know it's um it's so cinematic in my head man in these ages could ride a white horse they'd have a 15 day brutal march from alexandra to cairo dysentery they're wearing wool this is the first time that like you know any any european force has come down to egypt yeah uh so they're not they don't have like you desert uniforms or anything for it um the french sabon start shooting themselves in the head uh it's quite a french thing to do isn't it then july the 21st we reach the battle of the pyramids napoleon and his army reach a few miles from the pyramids.
22:07They can see the pyramids and they're standing there and he says to his troops, do you know that we are closer in time to that podcast than the pyramids when they were built? Oh, fuck. And they're like, what? Is this meant to G yourself? I don't know. Do you know that they're so old that actually we're closer to Napoleon than iPhones are? to the iphone than the pyramids do you know just we know whenever you mention the pyramids you've got to mention that we're actually the pyramids are actually closer to i don't fucking know the closer cleopatra is further away from the pyramids than she is to us did you know that did you know that did you know that did you know that they're really old this is back this is me in the um in the house party with a woman corner did you know that shouting she's she's dropped her shoulder did you know that um anyway so in the ridley scott film uh napoleon controversially fires a cannon at the pyramids and critics say that didn't happen because they weren't that close to the pyramids and ridley scott says were you there exactly that was his response to all historical things we will be talking about were you there we will be talking about the ridley scott film uh on the patreon but uh my personal opinion botched job anyway But were you there?
23:30I wasn't there. I wish I was, Ridley. I wish I was. So the Battle of the Pyramids, Napoleon orders asses and savants to the center. Basically, protect the mules and the nerds. So he forms a defensive square. Now, I don't know when we're going to get into military formations. Probably not yet. We'll probably save that for our list. But my God, defensive squares, hedgehogs, you know, prostates be snapping. Prostates are imploding in this series. you know what's that film where the the prostate the hanging prostate implode prostate implosion four what's that film where like they're hanging by a bridge and you see the wires and the bridge that's what people's prostates are doing right okay i mean anyway um so now the egypt is run by the mamelooks are they ottomans uh they we met them in the uh tragic yeah london city council yeah it's the london city council sorry it's sadiq's london the mamluks there we met them in the tragic story of the white slave trade yeah so i read about this what remind me what the slave warriors of medieval islam yeah what does that mean so they were people who were bought as military slaves they then converted to islam and then they'd be freed are they white slaves they are really let's have a look so these are this is in challenge so no they're freed once they convert to islam do you remember so if you couldn't be a slave Slave warriors of Islam, white guys.
24:59Some of them are. Have they got a force of white slave warriors? I think it's quite a diverse crowd, except they're all Muslim. Right. So these are the guys that run Egypt. Again, the uniforms. Do Mamluk slave warriors? Some were taken from Turkey. Right, so they're from all over, but some of them are white. But they're Muslim. Right. As you say, I think there are some figures in history who almost, if they weren't making the history while they're alive, then I'm not sure how historical they would be necessarily in retrospect or rather there are certain people who are actively making you think they're historic while they're alive.
25:39Adrian Charles. Adrian Charles being one of them. You know, match the day too just feels empty since he left. He's now just writing Guardian articles about pints, you know. Maybe the most pointless Guardian article. He somehow has an ability to write. Who the Guardian is paying Adrian Childs to write articles about pints? He's writing about pints. He's writing about yogurts. He's writing about traffic. He's always writing about the most boring thing you could possibly write an article about. Go to Adrian Childs' article. I'm more mean. Let's read some of these. If dishwasher loading was a sport, my dad would be world champion.
26:09That's one. All you can eat. I take those words as a promise and a challenge. What is an app? I honestly have no idea. Who's paying Adrian Childs to write articles? I took drugs recently and colors danced on the inside of my eyelids, Adrian Charles. You're never too old to climb a tree and I should know. Crap. Croatia has enchanting words for genitalia. Why doesn't the UK? I'll tell you what, Adrian. That's not a strong opinion piece. Having read your articles, I thought it was weird to have a favorite spoon. Then I realized I wasn't alone, Adrian Charles. Having read your articles, Adrian, I think you were better on the booze, my opinion.
26:49but no I more mean what I'm talking about is Blair I think Blair is the last who had a sense of history we feel the hand of history on our shoulder he was consciously it's actually called mythopagia it's a mythopagophile not a mythic pedophile mythopagia, mythopia I might be saying it wrong it's someone who consciously builds their own myth or turns their life into a myth while they're alive but in the Napoleon at Wars there's multiple people doing that simultaneously. That's why it's so exciting. Right. But Napoleon, I mean, Napoleon at the pyramids, he's basically getting people to paint him at the pyramids so that there is historic, you know, romantic paintings.
27:28Blair meeting Gaddafi in the desert. He's thinking about the photo. He's thinking about... He's always thinking about the photo art, basically. Now, the Battle of the Pyramids, yes, the nerds and the donkeys get into the centre of the defensive squares. The Mamalooks, 10 ,000 of them die at the cost of 300 Frenchmen. Yeah. So, you know, it's tragedy. They've got his muskets versus swords, right? Tragedy for the French. I mean, they lose 300 men. They then, now they chase the Mamluks into the Nile, right? Now, the Ottoman Mamluks would have all their personal wealth. They'd carry that into battle.
28:04They'd like sew gold coins and jewels and precious metal into their clothes. So after the French absolutely massacre them, they all try and swim across the Nile but they drown under the weight of their own fucking jewellery. Why would you take your whole banking account, your whole NatWest account you're just taking it into battle? Yeah, it's like running in with your credit card. Don't take that. But is it because Muslims believe that you when you die Careful now. Careful now. Is it because, and it might not be I'm not saying it's good or bad either way, but is it because Muslims, some maybe think that sometimes when you die, what you have on you is what you take into the afterlife?
28:43Maybe. I don't know. Don't cut my head off. No. It's because they can't trust people at home. The only thing that goes on with them is their deeds. So why are they taking all the money with them? I think it's because they don't feel that it's safe at home. They don't have wallets yet? Is this pre-wallet? Yeah. Pre-bank account. It's also nice just to have like... I guess there's also no toilets. There's nothing to take the money to. On the back of a system. Right, yeah. Their leadership and factional hierarchy relied on immediate liquidity, bribery and shifting alliances because there's so much bribery yes have they have to be permanently liquid yes please it makes sense actually it's very liquid economy turkey isn't it my friend my friend very good very good friend economy it is the yes please my friend economy there's no assets in the yes please my friend economy uh anyway so uh yeah and then the french once they're all drowning the mamluks the french just basically spend hours cutting into their clothes to nick all their stuff it's like that fountain in rome the trevi fountains basically they're using for a week after battle they're using grappling hooks to fish bloated mamluk corpses slicing open their silk clothes mamluk sounds like a fish some soldiers became overnight millionaires wow napoleon is in cairo uh and he attempts to establish this has been a big victory and so he's feeling pretty good about himself at this point yeah it's a big victory but again he will you know it's that that mythopedia thing yeah he's he massacred 10 000 um boss boss men yeah right and then robbed them yeah and again that's not very i mean robbing up no one should rob a boss man's shop that's like come on that's etiquette and yet he paid he paints it into this it's this great story like he'd beaten history almost even the idea calling it the battle of the pyramids yeah when really it's um robbing 10 000 boss men it's running the people who are who are going like lovely jubbly when you go to the pyramids or like you know those people yeah yeah cheerio yeah so he starts to establish uh an administration in cairo this also begins now the scholars start cooking you know the scholars start digging up mummies uh they're looking at uh sarcophaguses all this shit meanwhile nelson's having a fucking he's on club med he's going around the hole he's going Greece, Crete, Malta, probably having a lovely time.
30:59But eventually, fragments of information begin to align. And he thinks, right, they have gone to Egypt. Fuck. So he turns the fleet around on the 1st of August, 1798. After one of the most exhausting searches in naval history, but not his last by any means, Nelson discovers the French fleet. Now, the French fleet, okay, which how many ships of the line are in the French fleet? I need this information now. I'm about to bust. I'm about to bust. I need to know how many ships, 13 ships of the line in the French fleet. How many in the British fleet? We need to know the scores on the doors. Everyone's searching.
31:41Look at that. Fucking hell. You should all have this tattooed above your ass. How many ships of the line are at the front of the line? Tramps. We need Sky Sports lineups. You know, Nelson. Napoleon. in. The French fleet had 13 ships to the line and the British fleet had 40. Fair enough. I was wrong. Okay. Starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times. Your to-do list may feel endless with new tasks and lists can easily begin to overrun your life. So finding the right tool that not only helps you out but simplifies everything as a built-in business partner can be a game changer.
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34:49Wherever you watch or listen to your podcasts, subscribe at thecrimedesk.com and get episodes a week before anyone else. So, Nelson finds the French fleet and they're anchored in Aboukir Bay. Right. Now, one of Nelson's lieutenants, I can't remember his name, he basically spots that the French have left a side of their fleet exposed. Yes. Because they're anchored in a kind of crescent along the bay. diagonal and there's very sort of shallow coral reefs on one side yeah but this guy I don't know what his name is and this is a testament to Nelson's skill for delegating right and like decentralizing command yeah is that much like Andy Burnham is decentralizing Britain yes doing social media posts about fucking baps right yeah there is a Brentian aspect to yeah number 10 the north right William Lawrence so William Lawrence France basically spots that if the French could have turned around their ship to anchor, there must be enough space for ships to get into that narrow gap between the bay and the French.
36:01Yes. So the idea is there's a gap between land and the French, and the French are defending outwards. Yeah, their guns are pointed towards the sea. Because that's where the British are going to come from. And also because of how shallow the water is because of all the shoals, the French ships which is actually designed differently to the British ships they can't cross those shoals actually the French ships were actually designed differently to the British ships so because they can't cross those shoals the French they assume the British can't yeah but that means that they have no guns pointed back at the land and there is also and the shoals are defending them there's also crucially a fair headwind for the British because keep that map up don't lose the map I'm about to bust right um the french uh uh vanguard or part of the vanguard vanguard basically because of the way nelson comes when the violence starts when the violence starts uh the ships at the other end just have to stay and watch because they don't have the headwind to sail back up to help them right right anyway so what nelson nelson just you know they've been sailing for for ages they're knackered, right?
37:13They've been eating biscuits, they've been coming on biscuits, whatever they're doing on board a ship. But Nelson, hero that he is, aggressive fighter that he is, because he thinks, fuck it, let's just go for it. So William Lawrence starts sailing in between the bay and the French. Now, the French, by the way... Because it's the shallower boats that go across the shoals. This is also, it's about 5pm, right, in August 1st, is it? August 2nd? 1798. Now, no one ever starts a naval battle beyond like midday. Yeah. Right. Normally it's, the covers are on at dusk. You're showing your laptop. Yeah. It's 5 p.m.
37:51Right. Done. But they think, fuck it, we're never going to get a better chance. So he, he takes it through the bay and then Nelson leads a column the other side of the fleet. Now the French, right, are completely unprepared. Many of them are on land digging trenches to shit in because they've all got dysentery. this is where it gets pooey charlie the french have all got um it went like this yeah yeah thank you um the french have all got dysentery because you know they're eating fucking ducks necks and tripe in the desert right and so they're digging trenches to shit in uh they're also they've all got what's that condition called the egyptian egyptian ophthalmia which is an eye infection caused by sand and bacteria.
38:40The leader on the fleet that evening was Admiral François-Paul Brouillet-Daguer. Right. And the fleet was inadequately guarded because they have rampant, severe diarrhea. That's in bold. Right. Because that's French diarrhea. They've got a culture of diarrhea. They do, but this is even within, by French standards, this is shocking. Which to our minds must have been, what on earth is that like? You know? A British person's diarrhea is an Indian's firm stool. so an indian guy like i'm not catching a stray here out of nowhere yeah catching stray sorry british guys just like this is battle of the nile we're not involved at all i'm gonna enjoy this and i'm pretty sure the sewer disc connects egypt to india actually uh a british man having diarrhea is an indian man's having constipation right a brit a frenchman having diarrhea a british what on earth is that okay so hundreds of sailors are on shore digging sanitary wells that's a big word for basically a fucking hole in the sand to poo it um is that before tampons as well you'd must be sanitary wells before tampon early tampons sanitary wells disgusting uh now uh one of napoleon's big admirals is a guy called pierre villeneuve i keep wanting to call him dennis but that's the director anyway uh villeneuve is perhaps in control he gets a tough go he gets a tough go he's at the Battle of the Nile as well I kind of feel bad for Villeneuve the French assume that the water between the ships and the coastline is too shallow blah blah blah now what ends up happening is that the British launch this pincer movement on either side of the unspecting fleet and ladies and gentlemen the French are caught in lethal crossfire bust, bust now let it out bust bust for your country bust for England bend over and think of England So what follows is an appalling, chaotic...
40:37Gangbang. It's a naval gangbang, a slugging match fought in darkness. The French are asleep, obviously. And so suddenly the guns start firing from both sides, masks are splintering, collapsing under cannon fire, rigging's on fire. It's absolute bedlam. there's a chicken on the HMS Goliath the British ship it didn't die but thankfully it perched on the rigging and flaps its wings okay I don't really know why that's in the script in case you're wondering if the chicken's fine throughout this the chicken is absolutely fine we've got a vegetarian researcher yeah he's always asking how were there any chickens affected it's the Napoleonic Wars okay Charlie's got a footage from the Curves of the Black Pearl up yep to visualise it Charlie's got Pirates of the Caribbean up there's chickens in the research it's fucking bedlam here okay there was a trend in naval warfare where they'd have livestock on the ship to like cats and um goats no they'd have goats and fucking cows right on ship to make milk for their tea and then when they're like right we've got to go to war they just push them off the side of the ship it's finished with your bottle of milk yeah chuck out yeah you just fucking rugby tackle a cow over the side of the ship can cows swim uh i don't think they can go upstairs so i doubt they can swim no yeah they can cows can swim not in an ocean i met some sea cows in turkey they can't swing they wouldn't survive in like the fucking mediterranean all animals can naturally swim this is just complete bollocks except humans and apes i don't believe that at all fuck me this is not really the brain trust is it it's just my mate's got a tortoise this is not it's so far we're in the battle of the nile men are busting okay the women aren't here stop talking adult chickens can swim briefly it's not relevant why is a chicken on a ship if it can't swim we need to get to this is hot stuff this is hot stuff it writes itself we don't need under the collar okay this is putting me off my stroke you're like my pet dog looking at me as i'm rifling my wife i'm wifeling okay i'm trying to hammer it home and my dog is looking at me like what on earth are you doing what is that can i do it um the british are decimating the french fleet there's something to think about as well is that all the french guns are facing outwards so they have to like benny hill it across the other side of the ship and roll these cannons to the other side it's over it's over for them and all these nelson battles it's nearly always the french set up a certain way nelson thinks of something brilliant and then it's over this is the problem well i wouldn't say that go on you still got they still got to do the fighting yeah but you as soon as they got around the other side superior ships with superior crews while they're all asleep hitting them from both angles one side doesn't have any cannons it's done awesome right yeah so they're blowing them to shit now the french flagship was called lorient the orient which is what which is i think it's problematic term it is a problematic term i think east asian yes we should call it now but this is what edward saeed says is the start of orientalism you're aware of this as well no this whole napoleon in egypt yes he says is the beginning egyptology is the beginning of the exotic fetishization of the orient yeah exactly doing this yeah white women doing yoga all starts here it does uh you know the the kind of find the rosetta stone here which becomes a real They do.
44:08Yeah. And it's all in the water that they're fighting in. If you drain that bay, you'd find sphinxes, like insane archaeological finds. That felt like quite an Orientalist thing you just said. Okay. If you drain that bay, you'd find sphinxes and fucking mummies and all that. But it's interesting that the Arabs who lived in Egypt, the Mamluks, they didn't have any interest in curiosity. so this is partly where the debate by the british museum comes from it's like well yeah now you like it yeah i bet you do yeah someone had to go and find it yeah you've seen all the movies and stuff yeah now you think it's brilliant yeah why one why is that who found it yeah who went looking for it so the french flagship the problematically called lorient um catches fire uh they keep pounding it with cannonballs yeah to the and it is carrying all the gunpowder ammunition for the entire french fleet so uh at around 10 p.m that night the lorion explodes can you get some paintings up at the battle of nana some really good ones this sound of this ship exploding as the chamber with all the gunpowder catches fire is people said do we think napoleon hears this do you think he must be able to he's on shore is he in is he in cairo i think he's in cairo so he's not an Alex Abucard Bay is not near Kairos he probably weren't his but supposedly it's the most deafening sound anyone had ever heard travels for miles the fighting and shooting stops for like 20 minutes because of the the sheer spectacle yeah there's lots of great paintings so but it is a very you know cinematic battle and that the sun is setting over Egypt night falls and then this gunship just fucking explodes and this is kind of like you know this is Titanic 9-11 stuff for the 18th century.
46:04This is, there's a story that there's the captain of Lorient had his 12-year-old son on board. He refused to leave, waiting for his dad, but his dad was already dead. So the boy just stood on the burning deck and then the flames just engulfed him. Also, this is where like limbs start just raining down on other ships. Like just arms and like legs just start falling out the air. The shockwave is so overwhelming. every warship stops firing for 10 to 15 minutes molten cannons and severed human limbs rain down blistering the paint on british hulls for hundreds of yards away awful the paint is damaged i mean where is that in the casualties you know they damaged the ship's paint so on this night just before that um nelson gets a head wound when shrapnel to the forehead uh a flap of bleeding skin blinds his remaining eye and so he says immediately he goes I am killed and then he lives and he's completely fine but again he's a melodramatic man.
47:10He didn't say I'm killed he goes I'm killed he's over the moon about it. I'm killed! Finally yeah but then he's actually fine they just tie it up Nelson is thankfully the injury is much less serious or rather devastatingly for him and so he returns to command now on the morning of the 2nd of August the scale of the disaster is now clear the French Navy has been completely annihilated. Is this the first battle of annihilation on sea that Nelson fights? I think so. Or was it Cape Vinson? Yeah, no, it would be this, yeah. And so what this means, right, so sun rises on a total British victory. 11 of the 13 ships of the line have been captured or destroyed, which basically means Napoleon is stranded in Egypt.
47:56Yeah, he's fucked it. He's completely fucked it. And this is something that the book we're reading is very good on, which is a great point, is that Napoleon was a tactical genius, but he was strategically kind of a disaster. Yes. Both with Russia and this, he does make huge mistakes when he's thinking of something much bigger. Because he's blinded by greatness. Yes. And his own ego and greatness. Tony Blair. Tony Blair. But also Adolf Hitler. Because Hitler, you know, if you look at Barbarossa, Hitler micromanages Stalingrad. stalingrad he's a micromanager he is a micromanager amongst all his crimes he's a micromanager but right of hitler being a micromanager don't micromanage me some space but you know he did lots of things wrong but amongst them was micromanaging but you compare that with stalin who realized he was fucking it and got out the way and let zhukov cook yes and the ussr come back to trounce them yeah so the point is is that people with these huge egos who in many ways it's hubris it's pure hubris pure hubris right uh now what else has napoleon discovered in uh egypt amongst the sphinxes and the stones and all that uh one of his officers has also come to him and told him uh he says i've got some news for you do you want to hear it and he's like yeah what is it that sounds great yeah i reckon he did a bit of that yeah i'm in each other yeah what is it uh josephine your wife yeah brilliant lover yeah yeah what about her with a black mouth with the black mouth yeah the black teeth she uh has been having sex with a dandy uh for years yeah and he he what's the good news yeah he weeps in front of his officers uh he then also sends these heart like heartbroken fucking soppy yeah thirsty letters yeah the navy intercept and then the admiralty publishes the cuckolded love letters in london which means he's suddenly a laughing stock in britain awesome awesome yeah pretty this fires me up man this is sort of like this is historic cuckoldry this is in the history of cuckoldry which i think we're also doing on the patreon we are doing the history this really this is this is in the pantheon this is like you know you know like i don't like the pierce morgan phone tapping stuff but with this is oh fucking this gets me off this is early phone tapping isn't it see i'm pro the phone tapping oh are you okay fine we're doing different strokes i guess you know we come from different angles in this podcast you know i'm anti-phone tapping your pro phone tapping you know you think I just think Millie Dowler I just want to see I want to see what she was saying I'm curious where was she going yeah so yeah I know I fucking love that the Navy intercept you know Bonaparte's love letters and then publish them and humiliate them that's like I know it's paparazzi shit but it's fucking it's good fuck Bonaparte right so to get revenge I mean, this is pure incels revenge.
50:54He just immediately just finds a mistress, right? There was an officer's wife, Pauline Faurès, whom he nicknamed Cleopatra. She's the wife of a cavalry lieutenant called Jean-Noël Faurès. Gay, gay, gay. Now, he basically fabricates a diplomatic dispatch ordering Jean-Noël to Paris, and the British intercept that as well and then send him back to walk in on Napoleon sleeping with his wife. this is brilliant awesome this is brilliant the british press has been doing this for centuries and i love it okay um after the divorce i love it i love it the women are getting after it as well yeah yeah they're up for a show this is good you know but i just i just think i want you know this is britain the tabloid filth in the late 18th century starts here in some ways this is like punch magazine yes drawing napoleon being short it's from that tradition that the express and news of the world come from.
51:53I'm loving it. I'm absolutely loving it. Now, Villeneuve, Pierre-Charles Villeneuve, he had been commanding the rear division of the French fleet. So he was the one that couldn't sail upstream. He has just watched the thing be blown to shit. Another cuckold. Yeah, cuckolded again. But he's basically fine, I think, by the end of it. He sails away. He escapes. Which if you lose a battle, you want to die in it. The Polio's army is stranded in Egypt. in August 1798 a French military decree orders all soldiers to shave off their mustaches to combat sweat rot right now as an interesting postscript they salvage the charred main master of Lorient and craft a full size wooden coffin out of it it gets sent to Nelson he keeps it standing upright in his cabin for the rest of his life I think he's even buried in it maybe later on he's kind of goth and emo So he's...
52:49Yes. He has a complete fixation on death. Imagine living in your shit with a fucking open coffin. Because he can't wait to get in. Yeah. You know when you're like, you need to manifest? Yeah. He's sort of doing like... After his own death. It's crazy. He's doing a sort of Tumblr, you know, mood board for his future. So it's just death. It's him dead. It's gravestones. He dead. So this makes Nelson a national legend. This is his, you know, Champions League moment. And legends get thrown around a lot. No, they do. But this is... The man, the legend, Nelson's wearing that T-shirt. Yeah, and he's earned it.
53:21He has earned it, yeah. He's not just down to pine. No, this is when legend meant something. It meant destroying the entire French fleet, okay, at the Battle of the Nile. Yeah. So Nelson has decimated... You're a legend, mate. You're a fucking legend, mate. I fucking love you. So he's proved, right, that Napoleon may be able to win battles on soil, but he can't protect his fleets at sea. and so he's always going to be hamstrung without naval support. It's just so symbolic. Just him there. He's gone after the pyramids. He's got a letter saying that his wife's fucking someone else and then his whole fleet's been destroyed.
54:00He's been cut on land and at home. And he's a small man in the shadow of the pyramids. It's all so visually. But what Napoleon does is he sends the Battle of the Pyramids propaganda back and he basically says Abukir Bay is like no because also what's interesting is that though the French basically start Egyptology with this trip and they begin it all because the British take over yes nearly all of the key Egyptology stuff gets taken by the Brits including Rosetta Stone where's Rosetta Stone now yeah and then you know where's it now Tomb of Tutankhamen British Museum thank you are you getting it back no next to the Elgin Marbles and next to the Indian Bobs that's where they are all in one room yeah they're for ours now because none of you wanted them before.
54:46Yeah. So that was the Battle of the Nile. Nelson has struck first. In our next episode, we will deal with Napoleon crossing the Alps, the little man becoming emperor, and Nelson's love life goes fucking insane. Yeah. That's already in the Patreon, along with the first five parts of this series. Join up for three pounds to get instant access. Banger after banger. This is banger. This is not Post-World British Prime Ministers, okay? This is banger after banger. There's no Alec Douglas Humes in this story. It's all that. It's all. It's wall to wall. Douglas Hume. If Douglas Hume met Douglas Hume in impossible, but that is what it is.
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