White Girls Manifest, White Guys Manifesto | The Battle of Little Big Horn (Part 1/4)

0:00Yee-haw! Welcome to the Wild Wild West! What are you doing? Cowboy. Is Cowboys and Indians week? Yeah, but you can't dress as a cowboy. I think that's very, very culturally insensitive. To who? Well, the cowboys. I mean, that's a whole way of life that doesn't exist anymore. And you're sort of, like, neglecting those years of pain and experience by just sort of trivialising it into fancy dress. I mean... Well, yeah, when you put it like that, I guess so. I just think it's disgusting how today we just fetishise these communities. We don't even invite these communities to be part of their own fetishisation.

0:30I feel like you're doing that.

0:39There's no need to be that angry. You're not part of this community! That's not even the right one! What is going on? You're just being called out for being offensive. You're being offensive! Offensive? Oh!

1:11welcome back to fin versus history i'm joined by horatio gould today i thought i thought you'd done a native american uh but you didn't you ducked it i was on the other side i i thought i generally thought you said ni hao and i went that's that's that's so far from where we are, but I love it. The Japanese Native American, Ni Hao. There was Chinese building the railway. Yes, yes. That's part of the story. You know, there's that joke, right? The classic joke about there's an Englishman and Irishman, a Chinese guy building the railways. Chinaman. Do it properly. Chinaman building the railways. And there's an American guy who's running it all.

1:50He says, English guy, we need you to get like all the wood, right? And he goes, brilliant, brilliant. Irish guy, we need you to get all the steel girders, right? and then Chinese guy needs to get you to get all of the supplies. Yeah. Right. He's like, brilliant, supplies. And they all go off and they come back like five hours later. English guy's got all the wooden planks, right? The Irish guy's got all the steel girders. Brilliant. But the Chinese guy's nowhere to be seen. It's like, he should have been here. Like, we've all, what's going on? And then behind, behind a few pounds. I know what's coming.

2:22I'm so excited. Go on. He jumps up and goes, supplies. hadn't heard it before worked out the punchline but three seconds before you said it very excited very excited what a treat for the listeners yeah so there is chinese people in yeah in the in the frontier ni hao and that's my that's my historical source is that joke so today we're talking about custer's last stand the battle of little bighorn it's cowboys and indians except they're not cowboys they're the might of the american army and they're not indians either they're um we don't know what they are they're not called indians it's uh it doesn't have the same sort of romance as it cowboys and indians as it does as a child once yeah the politics really brings it down a little bit the actual history makes it actually very sad and it's sort of like playing it's a bit like playing germans and jews when you're on the that's a three-year-old and then you find out what happened you go fuck me i don't feel bad that they let me play you let me play with the playmobile germans and jews um i had a little cowboy and indians set uh and then i realized i only realized about a few years ago that the cowboys were all dressed in confederate armor it was a playmobile confederate army when i was like four my parents bought me southern american troops to play with indians and i'm just listen it probably did in print maybe it absorbed something maybe if we're blaming nurture maybe that's where i am you have to see them as the good guys have always been representative with the confederate flag yeah that's the good flag that's me at gay pride wearing the confederate flag i'm an ally i'm one of you guys um yeah so we're dealing with custer's last stand which is probably i think it's the it's people might not know about it but it's probably the most exciting prism to discuss the native american yeah u.s uh struggle because it's like all of it's kind of like an end point of certain things yes and it's sort of like the coming together of a hundred years of history sort of all come to this one it's yankee doodle rocks drift yeah um yeah it really is it's also the first time that america gets a bloody nose and overreacts so it's a like you know yeah 9-11 pearl harbor big horn yeah that's on the um on the lineage so let's do a whistle stop tour of where we are um at this point in history so um columbus obviously arrives 1492 you missed out leaf erickson who is leaf erickson i don't care who leaf erickson is it's disrespectful to leave out leaf erickson that's been kindly put in the research right well leaf erickson established a short-lived settlement leaf erickson is there any more gayer name than leaf erickson yeah it's like cock ball at balls it's like cock balls that's Right, okay, fine.

5:05He's from the Balls family. Sorry. And his name's Isaac Cock. So Ed Balls' brother is called Isaac Cock. That's a gayer name than Leif Harris. No, you're right. Just interpreted like a sort of, you know, green Scandinavian, you know, Leif. But is that gay? Green. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Okay, yeah. Climate change is gay. Yeah. 100 % climate change is gay. Yeah. What? 100 %? 100 %? Yeah. That was in the 1100s, so he actually discovered America. Clarkson, you know, Clarkson sort of throwing plastic packaging into the big bin is straight. So climate change is gay. Clarkson's in the worst fitting jeans of all time.

5:41Yes. They somehow don't fit. They go over his ankle and yet they're high-waisted. Yeah. I find it amazing with Clarkson. He seems unhealthy but always working and on the move and getting up early. It's like a weird thing. Do you know what's amazing? I learned this recently. Clarkson is younger than my dad. Now you've met my dad who looks younger than me and Clarkson looks like he's on death's door. yeah he's an advert he's someone who because he thinks any cosmetic stuff is gay yeah and it is interesting you realize how many people in the public eye must be doing basic cosmetic stuff he's what happens if you don't don't touch anything don't touch anything literally just cold water on the face every day barely brush your teeth yeah yeah okay so leaf erickson there we go start leaf erickson right 1100 a gay guy who find found some kind of settlement in newfoundland but he didn't call it that.

6:33Yeah. He just, I don't know. And it was short-lived so he didn't. So who cares? Yeah, okay. So I was right really to go to Christopher Columbus in 1492 who discovers America which is a politically loaded term that I agree with. Politically loaded into a gun that I'm firing. He's looking for India and he thinks he's found it. Yes. And he calls the Native Americans Indians. Right. Along with some other fruity terms that, you know, as a British man you can enjoy. Sure. It's a racial fight that you're so far away from and so uninvolved in. It's a rare time where it's like, we can sort of take a step back and let someone do the racing fight.

7:09Chill out, guys. Yeah. So Florida gets founded by the Spanish in 1565. You know, it's tacky from the off. Because the Spanish are there. Exactly. Then Virginia, English, America starts 1607. Virginland. Quebec, French, Canada. You know, gay, gay. That was founded in 1608. blah, blah, blah. America declares its independence from Britain in 1776. So it starts going downhill from here. This is where it really starts to go downhill. They get their fanny packs on. They have their big sippy cups in the visors. And then relevant to... Now, America at this point is very, very small. It's just the eastern seaboard, basically.

7:49Was it 13 colonies, something like that? Then in 1803, Napoleon, who is at this point controlling quite a lot of North America, the French Empire, he sells all the french uh his possessions to america to fund the war with the britain that gets known as the louisiana purchase and this either it doubles the size of the u.s overnight so i guess this just hasn't really happened anywhere that you just like you just buy has anyone bought more land you just fucking buy a third of your country but it's crazy that overnight the country doubles in size just yeah it's a big i mean we've done some big purchases recently on the suit front, but this is like...

8:30Oh, nothing like the ESA approaches, no. It was close, though. No, yeah. But in order to get our suits, we don't have to clear a native population. Well, that's your view. I still think we might need to... It's not a zero-sum game. I think there's some gymnastics we could do to justify it. Sure. So this means that... And then they start finding gold the further west they go. Gold rushes in 1849. This starts the policy of manifest destiny. so it's like white girl manifesting pinterest boards yes i suppose it's white male manifestations which is that's my that's my land fuck off yeah yeah rather than what do i want what holidays do i want this year yeah um you know how how big sippy cup do i want yeah five years you know when it's white guys manifesting it's terrifying terrifying what straight white guys manifesting is what it is yeah you're right yeah white girls manifest white guys manifesto and the manifesto is you can all fuck off, that's our land, we're Christian and it's all juju nonsense.

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10:54And then on Fridays, we have our weekly wrap-up where we give you the context and the meaning behind the biggest and the weirdest stories of recent days. Search for The Bunker wherever you get your podcasts and subscribe so you never miss an episode. So, purchased from Napoleon, Thomas Jefferson, friend of the pod, he buys it for$15 million. So, Mississippi River to the Rocky Mountains is suddenly now the US. Charlie, what was that? This is a fat, stoic, one-eyed Native American man. Is that AI or is that like just a high-res? That's AI. No, it's not. You're on an AI website. Am I? Crayon. Right.

11:35So did you make that? I didn't make that. Look, did you just type fat, stoic, one-eyed Native American man photorealistic into Google? Yeah. So manifest destiny. White guy manifestos. this means that they think it is their destiny to spread Christianity and from the river to the sea it's the original from the river to the sea I mean from sea to shining sea is literally what they yeah and it is the mindset the settler colonial mindset is very much from the river to the sea Missouri will be free free of Native Americans who were there in the first place the US starts wars against Native tribes and Mexico to expand their control and they come into conflict with several different tribes.

12:20Now, the Native Americans, we'll get into properly who they are in the next episode, but they're similar to the Aztecs and they're not like one thing. There's several different tribes. And they're fighting all the time. They're fighting all the time. It's like viewing the French and the English is the same, just if they came over. Yeah, you can't do that. You can't. Christianity, democracy, civilization, you put that in quotes. Take those quotes off. Yes. You're fired. so uh now we're dealing with custer uh is custer's last stand yeah so george custer is a is sort of a swashbuckling general and he's a i suppose he's one of the first main american military celebrities yes and he's born in 1839 in ohio so uh to place the year 1839 for our thick listeners this is uh it's after american independence 76 right and it is before postcodes postcodes only came in in the 70s did you know that really i found that out yesterday the postal museum who wait were you what were you at the postal museum i was at the postal museum yesterday i have two children what were you doing yesterday charlie um i was um i was awake all day I was I didn't sleep yeah because the night before was your 30th birthday party yeah we were at Charlie's 30th birthday party and you said you described it you felt like you were Mark and Peep show going to one of Superham's parties yeah I genuinely felt like that and to be fair it was kind of like that terrifyingly Charlie had a 30th birthday whatsapp group as many of us do check it 250 members I was like immediate archive from me immediate 250 members fuck that right off he organised a talent show where he over many different genres performed five songs opened by performing five of his own songs which is I guess was kind of awesome getting like 100 people there in party hats to watch you so it's all like an EP launch and so yeah it was a big session I think we all left about two and then I left significantly before that yeah you saw enough godlessness it's more just you know it was in a firstly it was in like a sort of cafe in the middle of nowhere like grotty like unisex toilets because there are and it's sort of a hole in the ground kind of thing and then and i just sort of had this you know i went to the bar and then suddenly you're like oh god is it like is everyone trans and you're like that's fine but then you're like is it am i weird for you know i don't know what to do weird for shouting are you trans yes i'm applying trans no it's more just like oh god i feel like mark from peep show and i just wanted to just stand in the corner and what was terrifying though was we met your friend rufus lovely guy yeah and he said he listened to the pod and he's waiting for your big hitters to come out in terms of fucked up stories yeah everyone thinks we've only scratched the surface which is terrifying absolutely quaking in my boots thinking about that anyway but you sorry you were up till 7 p.m last night yeah so you you were all the way through uh so while you're when were you at the postal museum uh from about 10 a.m till about 2 p.m yesterday that was charlie was at his after I fell asleep in the cab and the guy was just having to like shake me awake.

15:28Yeah. No, I was going on a little train underground. Underground. They used to be at a postal railway just for post from Whitechapel to Paddington. Right. And yeah, my son absolutely lost his shit. Loved it. Loved it. Absolutely loved it. Anyway, we're talking about General Custer. Sorry, you were going to say about the postcodes just before. Yeah, postcodes. What I learned was that postcodes came in in the 70s, which was shocking to me. So who invented them? is it a british invention yeah that's pretty good yeah pretty good but is now everyone using postcodes well the americans would use zip codes right and is that completely different well i guess it's the same thing isn't it but um but they weren't they didn't have zip codes when custer was looking for the plains indians um now it should be said also that we'll be referring to the plains indians as several different words because i mean other yeah that lot red backs or whatever yeah yeah um it's an opportunity for some new slurs sure uh so george armstrong custer is born in ohio in 1839 blue eyes blonde ohio supplies he had blue eyes and blonde curly hair and he would uh perfume his curly hair with cinnamon oil yeah it's pretty fruity stuff yeah i guess that's what you did in these days uh pre-brill cream yeah and he's always been ambitious a quote when i was verging upon manhood my every thought was ambitious not to be wealthy not to be learned but to be great yeah he sees himself as a great uh figure of history yeah he wants a legacy yeah uh he's the eldest of five much as charlie is um and i can imagine charlie dying in a similar way some somehow incurring the wrath of their native americans um so uh he goes to west point which is like american sandhurst yes uh but he's also probably the worst cadet they've ever had.

17:15Yeah, I think like statistically the most punished cadet. What is it? He's held his record for the most amount of demerits ever. Something like 700 demerits over the course of, I don't know how many years, four years. How was your disciplinary record at school? Well, it was quite bad, yeah. Especially when, because the headmaster apologized to me in my second term because he publicly shamed me after I did a debating competition and filled it with toilet humor. Not fat shamed. He didn't publicly fat shame me. sorry everyone i just have to intervene you're an absolute disgrace i know you're 13 and i'm responsible for your pastoral care you're an absolute disgrace i can't have you in my school anymore um no i wasn't i wasn't by this point i'd stuck the great stretching had happened and also there was a friend of mine who i latched on to you're a frontiersman i was a frontiersman there was a friend that i'd latched on to who was significantly fatter than me so you looked i made friends with him instantly in order to try and soften my own gut so i thought proportionally he's doing me a lot of help then i imagine that you both encouraged each other into worse habits no because if you're trying to hide behind this fat guy you are still hiding behind him i was running in front of him going look i can actually run and that makes me where were you guys running to oh the tuck shop um anyway so uh no i i once um i got in trouble for because i was forced to play rugby and i didn't like it yeah and so i would just uh just charge yes i was a prop uh even though i was taught too tall but i was fat so they may be a prop so i would just charge like a rhino the serengeti i'd just charge at people and knock them over and then i'd get sent off yeah and sin binned right and i'd have a go at the um south the teacher of south african so i'd have a go at him for being a racist yeah yeah yeah i'd be like you can't tell me what to do probably voted for apartheid sick fuck yeah and I got quite cocky my dad was a teacher there it was politically difficult to he explains everything politically difficult to have a go at me you're not someone who has felt the wrath of consequence I've never been punched in the face anyway yes my authority figures don't really mean anything to me some of his demerits are for failing to have his hair cut leaving rubbish outside his tent being late for nearly all required events snowball fights throwing bread at people, defacing walls with pencil marks and swinging his arms too vigorously while marching.

19:39I mean, that's, yeah, he's taking the piss there, you know. He can't be, yeah, he is, he's like, oh, I'm a soldier. Yeah, I guess you can't do it sarcastically at Sandhurst, can you? But he's very cartoonish stuff, very clowny sort of like, you know, naughty schoolboy. He loves pranks, does Custer. He once stole a chicken at night from an officer, boiled it and left a trail of feathers from the barracks to the bin. From the barracks to the bin. Palestine will be free. That's what I, yeah, from the river to the sea, from the barracks to the bin. Wait, I don't really get that as a prank. Well, I've taken your chicken and I've boiled it and then I've left you a trail of feathers and you follow the feathers and it's in the bin and it's cooked.

20:21So it's like, ha, ha, I've killed your chicken. Prank. But it's cooked, so... It's boiled. Okay, it's a bad way to cook it. Yeah. There's no seasoning. Is that not a good way to cook it? do you boil whole chickens i have boiled chicken yeah i tell you what i don't know if that would work as a great prank where it's more like the amount of effort that's gone into it it's like the the only time i boiled a chicken was when i was following a very very convoluted um up its own ass mexican recipe for enchiladas which you know takes like five hours like this is fucking nonsense i just wanted you to slowly boil the chicken in like whatever yeah and do it taste nice yeah but it takes all day you know it's not i could have just fucking got a rotisserie chicken and just shredded it with my hands, just beat it to a pulp and then shoved it in a wrap.

21:04You got a fucking Nando's. Yeah, exactly. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, I quite like this. He once, because this is me at school, I do this. He once asks his Spanish teacher, how do you say class is dismissed in Spanish? When the teacher replies, Custer just leaves the classroom. I mean, that's good stuff. That's the kind of thing I would do. His luck started to wane in his third year when he gets treated for gonorrhea. I mean, how is he getting that? I suppose if it's West Point male only, is he dabbling maybe um is he sipping from the devil's cup is he bumming the man's ass is um yes is he is he exploring the barracks of the bin prostitute thank you anyway he graduates

21:58He's not a scholar. He's not a scholar. He is a racist, though. Although he fights on the side of the Union. Now, we will obviously do a big deep dive into the American Civil War, but, you know, potted history of that. Basically, you know, original woke nonsense. The northern states going, you've got to stop slavery. The southerners are like, but that's our entire economy. yeah and also my personality and also we quite like it um so that's my entire but if i'm not that then who am i and then that's my thing that's my thing yeah yeah it's like telling charlie can't go to sex clubs what do i do then i work and then what i just go home so he becomes a very very young like war hero he's like in his early 20s during the civil war uh he fights on the side of the union he is known he gets reputation for his bold perhaps reckless cavalry charges, personal bravery, although he reported he wouldn't send his men to do a task that he was unwilling to do himself.

23:00So by 23, he becomes a brigadier general and the New York Herald starts hailing him as the boy general with the golden locks. And this is when, similar to Göring, he starts designing his own uniforms. So big hat, black velvet jacket, bright red cravat, sailor shirt. He's got a star quality to him, for sure. Definitely. And there's a lot of generals who are very kind of mundane. Yeah. He's got something about him. He's a number 10. Yeah. But then he's very racist, but he's on the side of the Union. Well, he's a product of his time. Yeah. But I don't think he even cares that much about slavery, right?

23:38It's just, he's just was on that side of the line and was one of the glory of being a military hero. I think he was anti-slavery, or rather he saw slavery as a kind of something that was in the way of his patriotism. Right. But I definitely think he's got some fairly fruity opinions about Native Americans. Yes, Charlie. How did people respond back then? You know how like if you... You're tearing up or you're just still hungover? I'm still hungover. Right, okay. If you speak out about racism nowadays, you get called woke. Yeah. At that time, is it the same response or is it like you're just mad?

24:10You're mentally ill. Right. You're mentally ill. You have brain damage. You're mad. I thought we should free these people. You have brain damage. Well, I think you should be institutionalised. because that's an insane thing to say. You're saying you shouldn't enslave black people? Oh, this is crazy. This is insane. Leave the table now. You've upset my wife. My wife's crying now. My wife is crying because you said we shouldn't enslave me. Oh, brilliant. Well, look what you've done. Look what you've done. Not in front of the women. Can we all have a nice dinner for once as a family? Save the aggressive politics when the women go up.

24:44You bring your mental ideas in. Christ. haven't even got to the dessert sharia's crying my god yeah no you couldn't that was not you couldn't say that at the dinner table no you've lost it you've lost it you'd have to go to the toilet and talk to yourself with a mirror about how you thought slavery was a bad thing so um to yourself uh he's given command of the michigan michigan cavalry brigade um which sounds like a slur for some gay people but anyway these were known as the wolverines uh and at gettysburg in 1863 this is the big one this is the big one he plays a key role in um preventing the last big confederate charge is this the big battle at the end of the war uh this is when lincoln this is the last he does that big address but this is the last time that the confederates could feasibly have uh won the war maybe or this is the turning point because it doesn't end till 1865 i don't think but at at this point the war then becomes the unions hunting down the confederate troops like they're on the retreat and is this the final this is as far as they get the confederates i think because gattiesburg is in pennsylvania is that right or is oh so this is the turning point it's a stalingrad basically there'll be american listeners twitching but also they're twitching go for a run yeah pause this and go for a run you fat fucks i know you're probably in a car because you can't you've built cities you can't walk in you've got like a stairlift you've got massive big gulp yeah you're drinking a drink that is in america even the blokes drink big sippy cups yeah the fat people from warley yeah that's where that's you watching our podcast i mean that is one of that's how people consume our podcast yeah just potato chips like there's a time lapse of their day and it's just all it is there on the sofa and then just crisps moving moving around the only movement is their belly slightly like twitching and then the odd belch so he plays a part he plays a key role uh and he shouts come on you wolverines before leading a mounted charge and his horse gets shot but he just gets on another one carries on fighting uh and yet the final pursuit of robert e lee friend of the pod custer distinguishes himself you had him as a player yes he was one of my figurines the figurines that's robert e lee again i thought at this point he's just a cowboy which maybe he was anyway age 25 custer is made the youngest major general in the Union Army.

27:03That's pretty good. Crazy, 25 major general. And now he's obviously, you know, when the Civil War breaks out, he's mates with a lot of people from West Point who are on the Confederate side. So he exchanges mocking letters with classmates. And when he captures them, he takes a photo with them. And we're looking at them now. And I must say, these are absolutely amazing photos. Incredible. So the one on the left is Custer with someone he's captured on the Confederate side. And he's just like, yeah he's sort of sitting there sort of loving it as well yeah he's like oh i've captured him then the other one we found it's the same pose except a small black boy is sat next to the confederate side and custer's face is the most kind of like anti-racist performative thing i've ever seen oh yeah oh you is that what that image is trying to say you enslave people do you look at his face here look at how he's sat look but is that what the so is that what the He's positioned the black boy next to the Confederate soldier and he's just going, yeah, well, this is what a feminist looks like.

28:05It's the original. This is what an anti-racist looks like. This is what anti-racism looks like, yeah. That's the original woke, smug face, I think. Is that what he was trying to do, though? To me, that's the only reading of the photograph. I don't know what else it could be. We get to the American frontier after the Civil War. So the Union tragically emerges victorious in April 1865. America can now refocus on their westward expansion and their manifesto destiny. The only problem they have with this destiny is that there are several people in the way. Sure. The Plains Indians. Now, we'll get more into who they are in the next episode.

28:43But there's Native Americans across each different, or the many different terrains of the west, right? but it feels like the Plains Indians, that's like our archetypical understanding of them. The great roaming bison of Montana, that Yellowstone, that sort of backdrop. And the Great Plains are just a very, very flat, massive. It's a sort of Mongolian step, but it's in. What is it, Charlie? You know, like people say, you're right, Chief. Yeah. Is that descended from the Native American? Is Chief originally only Native Americans? That's a good question, actually. It is a good question. Let's look up.

29:17and why do we now say chief? It's not. I don't think it is. Because I imagine all our language for the Native Americans is something we've imposed on them. Old French word, apparently. Because we don't know anything. We can't understand what they're saying. From chef. Meaning head. Yeah. Oh, interesting. So it's like, it actually is a play on chef. But it's probably, I'd imagine, it's because the French are knocking about in North America and they see a Native American guy cooking and they're like, compliment to the chef. Give him his chef. and then someone mishears it and that's how we get chief probably yeah anyway so Custer becomes commander of the 7th Cavalry yeah and he is tasked with enforcing the US laws against the Native Americans in the Great Plains so what this basically means is he's hunting he's on a big he's on a redskin hunt yeah but he's treating them like like they're bison almost yes so there's buffalo everywhere yeah all over the Great Plains yeah but at this point you know the railroads are going and they're sort of getting in the way.

30:20All of Native American life is built around the buffalo. Yes. That's like the hunting culture. That's their whole meaning. But only recently, actually. It's not been... No, they still did it before. No, but hunting buffalo has only been a fairly recent in the long history of Native Americans. Only in the last 100 years or so because they've got rifles from the Americans. Modern ways of hunting. They used to still hunt, but just with greater difficulty. Right. Mainly trying to push them off cliffs. Really? That's what they did before, but it was still a big part. So sneaking up behind a massive cow and just push you off a cliff?

30:53Yeah, just intimidating them off a cliff, basically. Or you just go, look over there. Yeah. But the problem is cows can't go downstairs, can they? They can be kicked downstairs, though, can't they? Yes, they can. They can be kicked downstairs, but they can't... You can chuck them down the stairs. So you have to... Is that why it would work, is that you'd get them up the cliff? Yeah. They'd be like, oh, fuck. Well, you just chase after them and just, you know, funnel them. until they're on a cliff edge. But then pushing a cow, I mean, that's like rugby stuff. Or you scare them off. You can't scare a cow off.

31:23But we're not talking about cows. What is a, I don't know what a buffalo is. It's pretty amazing. Buffalo wings are chickens. Get a bison up. Is that because there's a city called Buffalo? And a buffalo and bison the same thing. It's time for race rankings. We've ranked Pakistanis high recently, but let me tell you about Karoolean Indians. Oh, they're performing well at the moment. Listen, they are hot, sexy Indians. They are some hot property. And they are top of my list of my favourite races of people right now. Wow. I mean, this is big news. I mean, you're finding out here that this is the Screen Rock podcast.

31:54This is a regular feature we do. We do a bit of race rankings. It's kind of like woke racism whilst talking about social media, really. That's our vibe. Exactly. We pretend that we want to talk about social media. Really, we want to talk about whether we prefer people from Pakistan or Brazil. And right now, Pakistan are winning, baby. So listen to the Screen Rock podcast, if that's the kind of thing. We'll see you there. 25 years ago this week, Al-Qaeda's attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a United Airlines flight killed almost 3 ,000 people, and set in train events that would kill literally millions more in war, the destruction of countries, and the spread of preventable disease.

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33:21In New Weapons for New Wars, a brand new limited series from This Is Not a Drill, we look at the fastest, most intense transformation of warfare in half a century. Automated battle systems that learn as they fight. Faster, more accurate missiles, cheap drones that can take out a warship for less than the cost of a family car, and next-generation defences to keep enemies at bay. That's New Weapons for New Wars with me, Gavin Esther. Search This Is Not A Drill on your favourite app now.

34:01Oh, God, American listeners. Well, do you know what? Fuck you. You're too fat. I don't care. Buffalo and bison are not. It's the bison. But they call them buffaloes, don't they? Yeah, it is confusing. But it's bison. It's bison. Get a bison. But bison, these are fucking huge, amazing creatures. But they're like 99 % of the population has been decimated. But it used to be the entire plains was just lit with these massive fucking... And what would happen is that white Americans, when the railroads opened up... Look at the fuckers. They would take guns on the train and they just shoot them from the train.

34:35But this part of the problem is how rapidly America's expanding. It's just completely out of step with the Native American way of life. Because they keep finding gold, like at West, and then people are always coming away from the Eastern seaboard, trying to set up a new life. You have the wagon trains, which is people, these big trails that go across the country. But the kind of people who are doing it, it's sort of like the Brits who are leaving here to go to Dubai. It is very similar, actually. It's a gold rush, but it's not going to be the most upstanding people. No, it's cunts. It's a cunt magnet.