In short
Part 2 of “The White Slave Trade,” focusing on European “white slavery” by North African Barbary pirates (1530–1780), including castration/eunuch slavery in earlier contexts, and later galley slavery and public auctions. The hosts also pivot into a debate about race conversations, claiming they’re “no longer talking to black people about race,” and argue about reparations and who benefits.
Guests
Bemi and Andrew from the “We Saw That” podcast. They present as UK-based co-hosts/hosts who discuss race history through banter and provocation.
Key claims
The episode claims nearly 1.25 million white Europeans were enslaved by Barbary pirates; raids were framed as jihad; conversion to Islam could prevent ransom and “lock in” captives; Irish people were among the most prominent victims (e.g., the “sack of Baltimore”); public markets used forced physical examinations (“Badistan” mentioned).
Notable examples
Mansa Musa is referenced as “black” and tied to earlier “white slave” narratives; the Barbary raid on West Cork/Ireland is described; the First Barbary War (1801–1805) is portrayed as the US sending gunboats/marines to stop “white slavery,” including the USS Philadelphia incident.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORecap of White Slave Trade
2:12 to 3:56
Discussing the history and implications of the white slave trade.
“but you've gone two out the gate, and you've never had any.”
Cultural Appropriation Discussion
3:58 to 4:50
Exploring cultural appropriation and historical injustices faced by black people.
“And we've allowed them to do cultural appropriation and claim that they the slave masters.”
The Barbary Pirates
4:51 to 6:14
A deep dive into the Barbary pirates and the enslavement of Europeans.
“Why I'm No Longer Talking to Races with Black People.”
Irish Involvement in Slavery
6:15 to 9:23
Examining the Irish experience with slavery and their historical context.
“It's one of the greatest number doubters of all time.”
The Sack of Baltimore
9:24 to 14:01
Discussing the sack of Baltimore and its implications for Irish and European history.
“If I was Irish, how the fuck have I fumbled this?”
Exploring Identity and Historical Context
14:01 to 16:40
The hosts engage in a humorous discussion about identity and historical naming conventions, leading to reflections on the past.
“I was looking at him, the way he came up with that, the safari tick, the beard.”
The Barbary Pirates and White Slavery
16:40 to 20:00
The episode delves into the harrowing tales of white people kidnapped by Barbary pirates and their experience as slaves.
“White on the outside, black on the inside.”
Discussion on Reparations
20:00 to 23:20
A lively conversation unfolds about reparations for black individuals, touching on financial aspects and societal implications.
“They tried these like - Tulsa, Oklahoma, Tulsa.”
The Legacy of Slavery and Cultural Comparisons
23:20 to 26:40
Hosts discuss the impact of slavery on different communities and make humorous yet insightful comparisons between racial groups.
“This is the fear of Horatio and my crackers.”
Controversial Figures and Public Perception
26:40 to 28:00
The hosts analyze public figures known for their controversial actions, comparing them within a racial context.
“But there's this difference between ours and yours.”
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R. Kelly vs. Jimmy Savile: Who's More Notorious?
28:00 to 29:50
Exploring the controversial legacies of R. Kelly and Jimmy Savile.
“He called himself the Pied Piper as a nickname.”
The Dynamics of Slavery and Conversion
29:50 to 31:00
Discussing the historical context of white slavery and conversion to Islam.
“Slaves were under constant pressure to convert to Islam, right?”
Famous White Muslims and Cultural References
31:00 to 33:10
Examining notable white Muslims and their cultural impact.
“Even though, don't you think Charlie looks like a white Muslim?”
The Rise of Barbary Pirates and American Response
33:10 to 34:53
How Barbary pirates affected American shipping and the early U.S. response.
“Now the original Pogues were sold to the caliphate.”
The Rise of Barbary Pirates and American Response
35:36 to 36:03
How Barbary pirates affected American shipping and the early U.S. response.
“Sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once.”
Thomas Jefferson and the Dilemma of Slavery
36:03 to 38:40
Analyzing Thomas Jefferson's complex relationship with slavery.
“By 1801, America was having to pay off these pirates to not attack their shipping, right?”
The Economic Implications of Slavery
38:40 to 42:00
Discussing how economics influenced the end of slavery and its parallels today.
“But also, we were saying this, that slavery stops when it becomes economically possible to automate the labour of machines, right?”
The First Barbary War: Origins and Context
42:00 to 43:20
Learn about the causes and the significance of the First Barbary War.
“This is the long road to Iraq, Afghanistan.”
Jefferson and American Naval Actions
43:20 to 45:00
Understand Jefferson's role in the naval strategies against white slavery.
“a respectable nation, we must protect our commerce not by begging but by strength.”
Gaddafi and American Military History
45:00 to 46:40
Explore connections between early US military actions and later conflicts involving Gaddafi.
“Mugabe Like David Bowie He reinvented himself He had pan-Arab He had his Arab face His African face Have you seen the Mugabe School of quotes video?”
Abolition and Abolitionists
46:40 to 48:20
Discuss the historical context of abolitionist movements and their social impact.
“But the US still have to pay the states like$60 ,000 in reparations or something.”
The War of 1812 and Its Implications
48:20 to 51:40
Learn how the War of 1812 affected American actions against piracy and slavery.
“These niggas behind it, behind the paywall, man.”
The Second Barbary War and its Resolution
51:40 to 55:50
Discover how the Second Barbary War concluded with significant consequences for the Barbary states.
“So you get a picture of Peter Manderson?”
The Legacy of White Slavery
55:50 to 56:01
Explore the lasting effects of white slavery and its evolution into modern human trafficking.
The End of White Slavery
56:01 to 57:19
Discussion on the timeline and implications of white slavery's cessation.
“And to be fair, I mean, there's sex slavery now, basically.”
Reflections on White Privilege
57:20 to 59:47
Exploration of white privilege in the context of historical and contemporary discussions.
“Did you not, from the time, that's what I was saying, this whole time we're talking about this.”
Promoting the Podcast
59:48 to 1:01:34
Hosts promote their podcast and engage in light-hearted discussions.
“I think that's what I took from it anyway.”
Promoting the Podcast
1:02:35 to 1:03:24
Hosts promote their podcast and engage in light-hearted discussions.
“Stamps.com lets you print postage and schedule pickups right from your desk.”
Transcript
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1:41welcome back to film versus history we're joined by Bemi and Andrew from the we saw that podcast for a audio visual race war I was waiting I was wondering what's the intro going to be are we the first you've had sorry are we the first you've had first what the first Yeah, definitely. This is history. This is history on Finn vs. history. Don't make you the last, all right? Let's have a good time. It's an experiment. Yeah, it's an experiment. You test this, Steve, it worked. Because you could have just had one, but you've gone two out the gate, and you've never had any. That's risky. They're like buses.
2:16They're like buses. Or ships. Excuse me. Now this is a very sensitive topic for us. You come in at part two of the white slave story. Do you want to do a recap? Well, the word slave comes from Slav. They were the first slaves. Eastern Europeans, which kind of makes sense, given how good they are at building stuff. And we traced the slave... White slaves were castrated and then sold to Muslim empires as eunuchs so that they wouldn't fuck their wives. It's like London today. We're gone. Yeah. Wow. There's a lot of similarities with London today. Sadiq. Yes, it is. Please. We're saying it's the long road to Ulez, which is modern white slavery.
3:01Sadiqa or Masa, as we call him today. Yeah, so Sharia law forbid castrating other people, but you could buy a castrated person. And then you get sold into Mansa Musa, the Malian Empire. Do you guys know? We do know about Mansa Musa. Because your family are Nigerian? My family is Nigerian. Mansa Musa, he's the OG. He's the richest person that's ever lived. Yes. He lived on a gold mine and controlled all the salt. Money. And he was black. Yeah. It's Jeff Blackoss. he's like not Amazon jungle
3:34but today we ended with the start of the Barbary Pirates the sort of North Africans and this is very very very serious now what we're going to talk about so no jokes about this it's very serious no some things that aren't funny no some things are off topic and you know as white people going through this history it's bringing back a lot trauma you have a lot of time to be honest yes you do it's traumatising So where did the blacks go wrong? This is what I'm saying. Fumbled. We fumbled the bag. We had it. And we've allowed them to do cultural appropriation and claim that they the slave masters. Whereas we had it first.
4:10These people are always stealing our shit. Wiggers. I'm tired of it. Wow. I mean, already throwing the WN out. Wow. So how do we get back to that though? How do we bottle it? Because I was looking at the ting with Czech Republic. We're prog, they were kidnapping their wives. We fumbled the bag. Now we have to go on these guys' podcasts. Now we here, hey, hey, hey. Now we get a Patreon, Patreon. Excuse me. This is a confrontation with our oppressors. Yes. This is a racial question time. Okay, go on. We hope. We're literally releasing a book called Why I'm No Longer Talking to Races with Black People.
4:55I don't want to talk to the race. Bro, I was talking to black people about race. That book - They don't listen. When I bring up white slavery. Nah, that book, Why I Don't Talk to White People About Race, I've only seen white people read it. Of course. On the cheap, white people just looking guilty, man. And if you're reading it, yeah, then they look up, make eye contact with me on the cheap. I ain't making you feel good. Do you know what - Read it, man. Put your head down, read. I saw a woman get that book out of her bag left Victoria on the way to Brixton on the tube. And you're like, cut, cut.
5:30But you're reading that from Highbury. She's reading the notes before, yeah. She's reading the research. So where is this Brixton? Before you get to Brixton, you just got to look in for a chapter. I bet when whites do that, you know, when the blacks come out, they bring the book out, man. So they feel safe. Now we're robbing you still. Anyway, yes, you will be escorted out of the studio when we're done. The Barbary pirates, the North African pirates, they peak between 1530 and 1780. We're talking about Algerians, Tunisians, Moroccans. This is very hard to say. Nearly 1.25 million white Europeans are enslaved over these years.
6:08Wow. Devastating numbers. That's great. I mean, these are numbers that you trust as well. I completely believe these numbers. Why would you inflate them? It's one of the greatest number doubters of all time. By the Northern Africans, yeah? Yes. The Sandblacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Sandblacks. I took the words right out of my mouth. The sand blacks, I like this man, yeah. The dusty blacks man. Yeah. Now the states, they basically - Mahrez and them man. Sorry? Mahrez. Mahrez. Mahrez is a slave. Mahrez is a Kiwi man. You've got Riyad Mahrez. Kidaping Vardy man. Mahrez is a slave in Vardy.
6:52Yeah, which is kind of humiliating. yeah to be enslaved I really admire it yeah but then you look at Jamie Vardy and you're like well yeah I mean he just runs he drives eight Red Bulls before a game yes there's a level he'd be a good slave as well he would be he'd be running them fields in the house quiet on his back oh go on Vardy big up Vardy so this this this becomes like a protection racket right the North African states they they interfere with shipping in the Mediterranean and they steal white Europeans and they make them galley slaves on ships. What's galley slave? They make them row. They whip them.
7:31Which is rare because when we're talking in the first episode, most white slaves, they had their knobs chopped off and they became administrative slaves. Accountants. So they became in as bureaucrats, which is very funny. The fact that immediately from the beginning, white slaves was like, you're not in the fields. You're doing my taxes. You gotta do math.
7:50Also, you might have been ruined for time. Yeah. I went to, what's it? Henley Regretta. The same thing. I guess so. To what? Henley Regretta. Yeah, I guess that's sort of a - Yes, I suppose it's a slave ritual in a way, isn't it? That comes out of - Steve Redgrave - Like blues music, it's come out of - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's come out of the Cambridge and - Was it the - Oxford and Cambridge, yeah. They'll be humming when they do that. I'm a creep, I'm a riddle. I guess Steve Redgrave's like our Colin Kaepernick. Yes. He stands for so much more than just the sport. I see. So now the raids were viewed as jihad, legitimate, because he's a Muslim slave owners.
8:34Right. So they basically start, you've got, they do these raids on the island, Italy and Spain. Yeah. Right. Which we were saying is probably the three most work shy populations. I mean, trying to get them to do any work. They might be asking for siesta. It's like work, yeah, work. Work, man. Also asking for carb loading lunches, they'll be falling asleep after they play the pasta. It's a nightmare. But they then get taken to - Can we have a word on the Irish? I do want to say maybe the biggest fumble of white privilege of all time, the Irish. Yeah, the white flags. If we get like cricket, can you put footage of cricket catches being dropped?
9:09Easy cricket catches. Yeah, that's a fun one. That is the Irish with the white privilege. They're super white. They're not even anything else. As white as it gets. how did you fumble that level? They ended up on the list with us, man. Yeah, it's crazy. How are you like? That's crazy. It's crazy. No dogs, no Irish. They went to the Caribbean. They're working cotton farms in... Yeah, plantations. Plantations, yeah. Yeah, Irish. If I was Irish, how the fuck have I fumbled this? Burning in the sun, you know? Yeah, but also doing that, but getting sunburned. Like, you're not even... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
9:37Burning in the sun, man. And that's why Jamaican sound like that is because there's some cork, isn't it? It's true. It's true. I've heard that. There's overlap with the accent. Yeah. Herminal. The big fatiguer. The big fatiguer. The big fatiguer. The big fatiguer. The big fatiguer. The big fatiguer. The big fatiguer. Bloodoclart. So, well, the most prominent example of this is the sack of Baltimore, right? Which is where - Not Baltimore and Maryland. Not in the - The original - The original - The original wire was in the White Baltimore. The White Baltimore. Really? Yeah. Because the only bottom I know is in the wire, bro.
10:14Yeah, but they named all those cities after Irish and English ones. Yeah, this is with Omar. Baltimore. Omar, man. Shout out Omar. That's the best fictional black. Gay. Do you hear that? That sound, right? That means that summer's officially here. It means that grown adults just sprint into the street for a frozen dessert shaped like a cartoon. But this summer, Mint Mobile has a better tree. Every plan, including unlimited, is$15 a month. And unlike ice cream, it won't drip down your wrist or look nothing like the picture. Does anyone have any cash? Give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch.
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12:04Omar, Omar the best black gay. No, the guy from Moonlight. Give me fucking niggas up. I'm fucking niggas. It's quite funny how they're not picking an actual black gay because that would be mad. Yeah. No, no, no. Exactly. No, no, no. Fiction. Fiction. The guy who shoots kids. That's a brilliant gay man. Yeah. Anyway. Because you guys don't know as much gay banter as the one. It's not as funny to be like... No, we're not gay banter, but we're not touching you. Yeah, because I like... Cause like you like Paddy like will hug me from behind and kiss me. And like, it's a bit much, but I don't see you guys doing that.
12:45He's got ADHD. So yeah. So that kind of reads us. We don't know what it is. I don't think that's what they call it. That's what it is. Cause when you do like night with the stars or any of the nights that like we all run, you do come in like, this is gay. Like you look at us, we're all in our underwear spanking each other. Yeah. when I did the night I'm in the moth club. I do, I remember I do say shit like, I don't like being here. Cause they had Dan Tiernan in a cage, bro, naked. And he was there the whole show. I was just waiting to come up. Was he in a cage? I mean, Tiernan would have been a white slave.
13:23His ancestors are slaves. He would have pulled rocks with his head. He would like, strapped to - So they'd be doing gay shit like that all the time. And then they'd be inviting me. In fact, that's what, do you know, remember Mark Bittleston? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. Formerly IG Poofs are us. That was his IG. He found that I used to be homophobic. Right. Which is true. He hated the gays, man. Yeah. Nah, they all right. They're all right. Yeah. Are you Jewish? Huh? No, I just like putting stuff out. He's just rich. Is that something to submit it for you? Just a rich guy who runs a media organization.
14:00Are you Jewish? I was looking at him, the way he came up with that, the safari tick, the beard. I was like, I gotta go. It might be Juie. It's not Juie. It might be Juie. Juie's a bit Juie. Juie. No, no. Juie, Juie. But also, completely unrelated, you are not being paid for this. Damn it. We didn't know that, mum. Yeah, but the Irish are kidnapped by the Barbary pirates, and this raid, a terrifying raid on a village in West Cork. There's a... A creature. Yeah. They're like, basically, it's like Tyson Fury's. They're all the sort of gypsies in the Western Cork, like that. and they get, there's a Dutch captain who has been forced to convert to Islam called Murat Reis.
14:40Right, Reis. And he's from Harlem. Like all of these words that's been from Dutch Harlem. Dutch Harlem, yeah, yeah. Which is very different. Bro, that's crazy. They've been taking the names. The Harlem, Baltimore, Harlem. No, no, you took the names. No, no, the blacks took the names. Yeah, yeah. Americans took the names. Yeah, yeah. But did the black American, wait, is that, did the black Americans take the names to... Let's just have a quick, a quick reminder. so English people started America and then they saw what the Arabs were doing and went, oh, these guys would make quite good slaves, better than the fucking Spanish.
15:09So they then transported loads of African slaves and then they end up moving into areas like Harlem and Baltimore. And Harlem's named after... Okay, so the Africans named... No, no, no, no. The whites are named at Baltimore and Harlem. Just the black people end up living there. They become known as black places. But they were named after Dutch and Irish villages. But the Dutch Harlem Globetrotters is not as good at basketball. that's important to be. There's a Norfolk as well. There's a Greenwich in America. New York, it means York, you know, it's all based off stuff. Oh, New York is that? New York!
15:39Oh! New York! Shut up. Is that just right now? Are you serious? I just clocked that out. You're lying. Wow. Are you serious? New York shit. Crazy. Oh my God. Finn versus history. Thank you. We're learning. We're learning. You know, New York was called New Amsterdam until 1780. Sorry, that's too much. New Amsterdam. That's what it was called. But isn't New Amsterdam the thing in Baltimore? The Wire. There was a whole series where they sectioned off a place and said, you can do drugs legally here. And they called that place New Amsterdam. Right. Shit. Shit. Mind blown. Yuck. I mean, Charlie is absolutely laughing back there.
16:26The thickest person in this podcast. it's just been out flanks yeah that's pretty good so now this Dutch raid right or no rather this Barbary raid okay there's a Dutch guy who's been converted to Islam Murat Reis right he basically he gets he goes along the south coast and there's a guy I can't remember what his name is Jack something basically he gets kidnapped and he's like oh no no no go down there there's loads of them they're undefended right so he's basically a race traitor oh he's snitched choc ice if you will but he's white on the inside. So it's ice chalk. It's white chalk ice. Right.
17:00White on the outside, black on the inside. No, no, no. It's white everywhere. White chocolate and then, yeah. Yeah. White chocolate. Yeah. White chocolate, ice. Yeah. Yeah. White on the outside and white on the inside. Yeah. Eminem. Anyway. Eminem, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Eminem, yeah. White chocolate, but it's still white. He sells out the whites and they go down the coast, the pirates, and they kidnap like 107 Irish people from a village take them back to North Africa, sell them in a slave market to go and work in fucking, like the court. Like, what do they, oh, they get paraded through North African streets as booty, right?
17:39They're sold at public auctions in markets which are known as Badistan. Badistan. It's like, Sounds like a sort of Britain first. This was very Badistan. London's gone Badistan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The buyers would scrutinize the Christian captive, strip them naked, They'd use truncheons. They were forced to walk, jump, contort their body to determine how healthy they were. Fucking look at their teeth and shit. Oh, so they can do physical activity to see how healthy they were. Yeah, yeah. Jump. It's like doing a medical before joining a club. Basically, that's what you gotta do. That's hard. I'm enjoying this, by the way.
18:15I'm really enjoying this. You are? These facts are making me happy. This is very traumatizing for us. So I'm glad someone's enjoying it. Someone has to tell the story. Yeah, you tell the story. And we brought you on for a conversation, a cross-cultural conversation, to try and get to a point where we can talk to black people about race. Because that point is not now. Yes, it's not now. Not yet. I'm no longer talking to black people about race. Finn Taylor. So do you want reparations? Reparations now. What would you like? Can you put those reparations into an index fund? That's the problem. The problem with black people ask for reparations, you're asking for money straight away.
18:51I want them for cash. That's it. The problem. We need a bond. You'll lose that in 10 years. It's compound interest. Invest the reparations. You need white slaves to do your taxes. To do our taxes, okay. The problem is it's rappers asking for reparations and the money will just go. It's gone. Rims. Rims. Exactly. Hydraulics, man. New trainers that are clean. Don't buy clean trainers, keep them dirty. It's how you keep them. That's why the whites got money. Because you keep buying, look at this, how fresh this is. Oh man. How new is that? You know? Invest it. Yeah. Offshore. Offshore. This is a depreciating asset right here.
19:29As soon as you walk out of the shop, that loses half its value. Yeah, exactly. The smartest thing to do is take money out of the economy. We do that. Offshore. Yeah, exactly. Switzerland. In it. Yeah. Now, is there any sort of black Switzerland? Do you guys have like a, yeah, it's the vape shops in the Hackney restaurant. We used to though. Where, where, where? No, back in the day, blacks used to have, but the whites would always destroy them. The black pound in Brixton. They had these local currencies. And they did that in America, the black dollar. They tried these like - Tulsa, Oklahoma, Tulsa.
20:05Yes. But then the KKK just came and burned it down. Burned the whole thing down, Black Wall Street. Well, the KKK is like white reparations. It's aggressive. It's the white Panthers. The white Panthers. As I call the KKK, the white Panthers. Okay. The white polar bears. The polar bears is really funny. The polar bears take on the black panthers. The polar bears versus the black panthers. And you know what? Doesn't that just perfectly articulate the difference in aesthetics? Black panthers, all black beret. Salute. The white guys. A dunce hat. And a dressing gown. Cooling themselves like the grand wizards.
20:46The wizards, yeah. Dungeons and dragons. You're fucking nuts. It's gay. It's so white supremacy is gay. It is gay. Grand wizard. To be honest, genuinely, genuinely, we need black people to keep us straight. Yeah. If you leave us alone, we'll do a lot of gay shit. You need to keep us in line. Imagine the blacks designed the KKK outfits. Yeah. Hoodies. Yeah. They should have hired some blacks to make their outfits. They just had their fat white wives doing the fucking, making holes in the cloaks. I believe Kanye is doing some quite good merch. To be fair, that's Kanye. You've got to hire Kanye to do the KKK merch.
21:28Charlie, do you want to go on Grok and make an AI image of a black guy wearing a Nike KKK outfit that looks cold as fuck? Just see what comes up. Well, Grok can just do that? Or Grok would. Yeah, GVT probably wouldn't. Grok's the racist one. Grok is owned by Elon Musk. So he'll do anything. Yeah, he'll do anything. You ask it to rank racist, he'll go, yeah, sure. Why? You can't even rank easy. Bang. Yeah. But yeah, no black men were involved in the making of this suit. Damn it. It's cold though. It looks good. I mean, obviously. But if a black in body would be bad, there would be like a mic tick on the breast.
22:01Right, okay, yeah. A bit more jazz to it. Yeah. So let's talk about, and this is a harrowing part of the episode, the slave experience for whites. Okay. Well, listen, that's not our music. that's not. That's actually the music of the oppressor. Because maybe. I will try to fix you.
22:31Oh, man. What do you think they would sing? Yeah, Coldplay, Radiohead, Green Death. Johnny Cash, wake me up. I hurt myself tonight. Mumford and Sons, obviously, as well. Now, the galley slaves, this is considered a death sentence. since men are chained to rowing benches of pirate ships. They're rowing in the fucking Mediterranean. They're like whipped and shit. I mean, you know, there's just no way you guys can relate to the trauma that this was to be. This sounds crazy. Many die from exhaustion, disease. Some are put to work quarrying stone, cutting timber. And also meager rations. Cracker. That's where the cracker comes from.
23:11Oh, is that where it comes from? Really? Yeah. It's called a, what's the? When you say the cracker comes from, as in the biscuit or? No, he means the slur. It comes from the fact that the white slaves were given the C word. Don't say it with a hard R. The C word. Cracker! Fine. That's fine. It's all right. It's not fine, but it's acceptable. This is the fear of Horatio and my crackers. I can say that. Stop my crackers. Yeah. Horatio's my cracker. Yeah. Cracker. So you're going to be a man. Charlie, Charlie, why is honky and peckerwood on the screen? Can you not show very upsetting slurs? White trash, redneck.
23:49Wait, isn't cracker? I thought cracker was because we cracked the whip. That's what I heard. I feel like you changing this term to get simple. That was sneaky. Yeah, what's cracker mean? That was sneaky. I've decided. That was sneaky. He's very Jewish of you. That was sneaky. The Jewish guys listening get catching strange. It's a whites versus blacks pod. Look at that. Look at that. Come on. Come on. It's cold. We are now looking at a video of a black design KKK outfit and there's maybe a hundred Nike ticks on it. I would wear that. Why does it look like he would be so unsuccessful though? In capturing the wax?
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24:27Yeah. Well, it's just, cause he wouldn't get that dirty. I'm just saying if he turns up to a meeting and he's trying to blend in and he's got a hundred Nike ticks. He hasn't done his research. Yeah. So what is the history of Cracker? Sorry. Can we get that? I'd hate to spread spread misinformation on this podcast the oldest recorded use to find a cracker is a loud talker a braggot but why is it used against white people so whip cracker and corn cracker so it's both but what is it really the term cracker for white people originated centuries American slavery oh I guess yeah so it's basically against Irish people because it's what they they like yeah right so but also but wow bitches yeah I like that so they're given these they're given these tiny little biscuits to this way It's where I'm deciding the word cracker comes from.
25:14This is before African-American slavery. They have to build... So all these Algeria and Morocco, they're not countries yet, they're just these massive cities. And so they're all built on the back of white slave labor. So you go to... What's the capital of Morocco now? It's fucking... Not Rabat, is it? Marrakesh. You go to Marrakesh. It's tough. What? Because it's... So when you go back, you feel your ancestors pain. Well, now I've found out, now I've done a Wikipedia scroll. Now I do. But I did before. I booked flights this morning. Nice. So what do you, do you like, so obviously like with black people, we pass it down to our kids.
25:55Intergenerational trauma. Oh, there's definitely intergenerational trauma. Like how's your kid finding it? We were saying because - She will not go to Haringey. Damn, I understand. We were talking the first episode about how some white slaves, they'd have their dicks chopped off so they weren't sexually threatening to the harem and they used to like serve I don't get that are you guys ever sexually threatening well excuse me sometimes we can be sexually threatening we got it in our locker threatening now Russell Brand yeah yeah that was my guy my cracker my cracker brand the white Cosby the white Cosby yeah sadly sadly the white Cosby is Savile let's be real yeah I mean we do you cannot compete you can't compete Cosby or Savile sorry if the metric If the metric is paedophilia, this is a one horse race.
26:42You're blown out of the water. We ain't got, nah, I disagree. We ain't got many. You're having a better time with you. Like, oh, Kelly. Bemi. There's a vibe there. Come at me, come at me, bro. Name a black paedophile. Kelly. Kelly. Yeah. Name another one. But there's this difference between ours and yours. Great music. Yes. Michael Jackson. I did. Michael Jackson. No. Yeah. Yeah. But he did his worst stuff when he became, we came to our side. He did. He did. I mean that morally and musically.
27:17White Jackson was not his best one. White Jackson was all like, save the world, save the kids. He was trying to fit in with the whites. What do you guys do for fun? Oh, okay. Yes. That makes sense. Yeah. I think R. Kelly is like, it might not have the numbers of Saville, but I just feel like he's... He's got the freak off. You got Diddy, which I guess not Peter. But the thing about R Kelly, he was confessing for, he was hiding in plain sight. And it was mad. You gotta deep it. He first, he wrote an album for Aaliyah, who was shagging and married. And when she was 16, 15, yes. And the album, he named the album, AJ nothing but a number.
27:56And if you look at it, you've seen the album cover before? That's pretty good. Charlie, get a photo side by side. But give them the respect they deserve. That's pretty good. That's good. He called himself the Pied Piper as a nickname. That's amazing. This is a photo side by side of R. Kelly. Look at that, look at that, look at that album cover. Look at him in the background of an album called AJ Nothing But A Number. Savile ain't competing with that. That's crazy. And it's a great album. And he wrote it. Side by side, please. R. Kelly and Jimmy Savile. Who's hiding in plain sight more? That's all I'm gonna ask.
28:26It's all I'm gonna ask. Sir James Savile. Sir James Savile. He got a knighthood for his service to be. Knight of the run. Wait, Jimmy got a knighthood? Yeah, he was a sir. That's all shit. Now who's - That's toxic, that's toxic. Thank you. He was a sir, bro. You have to address him as a knight. Yeah. Yeah. Nah, but R. Kelly pissed on someone and said it was his brother. That's amazing. R. Kelly did the most hilarious interview ever. But also, because black people would dress better than white people, but I also want to say you look better in clothes. It's not necessarily the outfits are better.
28:58For example, I think you look great in your track suits, but Jimmy Savile would try to dressed like you, you look like a pedophile. Just saying, it's not all right. It's not necessarily the look is better. It's just. It's because you're wearing, that's like you wearing a tracksuit is like me wearing a Native American headdress. Right. You're appropriating. Yeah, you're making fun of pedo culture. Pedo culture. Got you. Got you. Yeah, yeah, that's what I do. That's my whole thinking. This is what Mensa wears on stage. I can't lie, bro. Andrew, somebody's legit look exactly like the trackers you wear.
29:33And I'd be going for those colours as well. Yeah. Wow. I'd be going for the sample colours. You got something to tell me, bro? Doesn't go as hard. No, this doesn't go as hard as me, though. He can't pull it off. No, he can't. So we've got to carry on. I want to get to the US, right? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Apologies, man. This is serious. Serious, man. Slaves were under constant pressure to convert to Islam, right? And if they convert to Islam, they were basically freed. White slaves, yeah? Yeah, white slaves, right? A lot of parallels with today. If they are... I mean, sorry, I'm talking about the history.
30:03I'm not talking about modern day London. So diplomats would come to try and ransom. This is the one difference with Africa. Well, there's a couple of differences. One of the differences is that you could ransom, you could buy white slaves freedom. Right. And they're like a foreigner could come and like buy them their freedom and like, they are sort of hostages. Their dad could come and pay for them. Yeah, pick them up. It's like when college kids get off rape charges because their dad owns an oil company. And they're good at swimming. Yeah, brilliant. But if a slave converts to Islam, then those organizations no longer come and ransom them.
30:39So they kind of never go home. Oh, that's key. So it's locking you in. It's locking you in. Yeah, exactly. They're not trying to save you. Wait, wait, to explain. If a slave converts to Islam, no one can come and ransom them. Because the Christians are the ones who are trying to... It's a Christian coming back to save Christians, but if you're coming back to Islam, they're not going to save you. The white Islamic community is not going to save you. There's not enough of them. No. Even though, don't you think Charlie looks like a white Muslim? Yeah, Charlie man. Yeah, that sort of ginger. If Charlie, if Charlie shaved his head, wow.
31:08Yeah, ginger jihad. He does sometimes. Yeah. Is there any famous white Muslims? Yeah, there's one. There's one famous white. Jihadi John? It's Sinead O 'Connor. Is he the most? Sinead O 'Connor. Sinead O 'Connor is Muslim innit? Yeah, she's a aloha. Cat Stevens? Yes, Cat Stevens. Who is that? He's a white musician. It's a Caucasian spiritual artist. You wouldn't understand. Yeah, it's quite, it's all white gospel stuff. White gospel. So what kind of white music do you like? Do you do this to white music? Yeah, I like Disclosure. Disclosure, okay, that's pretty white. That's nice. I like electronic.
31:44White noise. KDB, oh my God. KDB, who's KDB? KDB's kind of black. Yeah, KDB's kind of black. What's the whitest shit that you listen to, do you think? I would say Bill Callaghan. Because I mean, the blackest shit you listen to is late Kanye West. Sorry, I know we're going off a bit. That's one of the best jokes I've ever heard. When this guy wrote the Kanye How Hitman thing. It's in my tour show, so that's a good plug for the tour. It's unbelievable. Don't watch him on tour. It's unbelievable. Have you seen it? No, I want to wait. This guy does the whole thing and he just skirts around the N-word.
32:17He says it with a hard R. But it's there. The N-word is heavily present in this whole bit and he don't say it. It's genius. You didn't really sell it. You didn't sell it without context itself. How clever is this guy? Nah, honestly. It's funny. I remember when he said, I put it on my story. I never post that on people's bits. He doesn't say the N word in front of people. I text you when you put that out. I literally text him. I said, bro, this is - What's that meme of the black guy doing that? That's me saying the N word rather than the actual word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Roll save. Not a joke. Top 10.
32:48But what do you think of the whitest music that you like? I like Adele. Disclosure. Bill Callahan. Adele. Is that an aesthetic thing? Who else? There must be someone. And now she's lost it a little bit. You don't like her anymore? Nah. I like 21 Adele. She's a pal. 21 stone. 21 stone, 21 in age. Yeah. Yeah. That's the real Adele. Johnny Cash probably. When she was a Pogue. Johnny Cash. Is that how you say it? Pogue, man. Pogue. Pogue. Pogue. Pogue. Do you like that? Yeah. Oh, I see what's called Pogue. Now the original Pogues were sold to the caliphate. Yes, exactly. Yeah. the original fat ass white girls now we need to get to uh this this is where i think the story becomes funniest right so there's about 200 years where the barbary pirates are you know kidnapping people they're interfering with american ships right now starting or growing your own business can be intimidating and lonely at times your to-do list may feel endless with new tasks and lists can easily begin to overrun your life so finding the right tool that not only helps you out, but simplifies everything as a built-in business partner can be a game changer.
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36:22So then Thomas Jefferson, friend of the pod. He liked, he liked the Black Queen. He does like the Black Queen. Yeah. He, I think he had kids, didn't he? He had kids with about five of his slaves. So Jefferson is famously like a complex figure in that he's one of the founding fathers. He writes Declaration of Independence. Yes, yes. He had, I think 600 slaves, but he was against it. So, yeah. I feel him though. You feel him? I know what I mean, there's bad things I'm against. I'm against eating meat. Yeah. I'm against eating meat, but I have to. That's what I mean. But it's wrong. It's wrong though.
36:58Being eating meat is more, you can't defend it. We have a Nando's for lunch. It's completely morally indefensible. Literally a delivery driver with Nando's on his back coming in for you. And he has to. And he has to. He has to. He knows wrong. Well, that's modern day white slavery. Delivery drivers. I'm against that. But where is it? Is it nearby? Hurry up. Yeah. I'm against that, but quicker, please. I'll be more against it if you got here quicker. And don't forget the dips. But we were saying this earlier is that like, you know, there's loads of stuff nowadays that as soon as people stop doing it, you're like, oh yeah, that was terrible, but I'm not stopping.
37:34No, you stop it first, then I'll do it. Yeah, exactly. If it became illegal, I'll stop. yeah if they ban me I wouldn't fight it I'd be like yeah you should have done that 10 years ago oh I'd fight it I'd be putting flags of meat of pigs up in the street I'd be like fuck this pepper pig flags raising the flag first do let's and now you ban this now you ban this absolutely not I don't want to live in Sadiq's London man so right so Thomas Jefferson comes to power in is it 1800 I think anyway yeah he owns 600 slaves but he's also against it he's against it which is yeah I mean it's like fair enough It's more like, if you're going to be a slave, you should be a slave under my roof.
38:11Do you know what I mean? Is he saying that? If you're going to do drugs, who wants to do drugs at home? I don't know if he's saying that. That's what I read. When he says it against 600, it's like, I'd rather you be drinking alcohol. How did we know he was against it, though? Because he said, he says this will be a moral stain on the country. But right now, it's brilliant. I've got 600. I can't just let go. What do I do? If you have 600, bro. I've got a plantation to run. It's that way against me, but my freezer's full of lamb. Yeah. I can't just throw it out. Yes, you've got to eat it. You've got to let them live under your roof.
38:41Yeah. But also, we were saying this, that slavery stops when it becomes economically possible to automate the labour of machines, right? It's similar to like AI now. It's never a moral thing. I wonder if there will be a conversation where like white data analysts are now talking about AI the way that freed black people were talking about slavery. Free the data analysts. Basically, we're freeing data analysts from the services. Now AI has taken their jobs. Is it Claude? Claude, yeah, that's the big one. Claude taking their jobs. But like robot hoovers are taking cleaners' jobs. It's true. Basically.
39:16Right. So it's a similar thing where the Industrial Revolution happens and then the Civil War in America happens because it becomes an economic thing rather than a moral thing. Robert Ealy. As well. But yeah, right. So before America ended African-American slavery, they, what, 60 years before, they fight a war, their first war, international war. America always tackled. I can't lie, you went into detail of all the white slaves, but the way you glossed over the African slaves, I don't like that. Andrew, the topic is white slavery. I feel the conversation. I think we've heard enough about black slaves.
39:51But white slavery could mean both ways. We could be the owners and the owned. We covered this. It's not white slave owners. No, but I'm just saying, the way you skipped it, it was a bit mad. It felt very racist. Andrew, Andrew. African-American slavery. Andrew, I searched into Spotify white slavery yesterday. The only thing that came up was on this podcast. All right. So you're the only one who's talking about it. I feel there's enough cultural conversation about black slavery. I think more people are talking about it. Where's the 12 Years a Slave for us? For whites. 12 Years a Data Analyst. Where's that film?
40:2212 Years a Data Analyst. And then he got promoted. I'd be in it, though. Oh, yeah, you're a frauder. I'd be in it. I'd be in that film. Why? I don't know. Like, what would I do? Would I be owning slaves? I feel like I'd be the ally. I'd be on the boss. The woke black guy. The woke black guy trying to get him out. Yeah, yeah. Run, Mr. Run, Mr. Run. So you'd be like the equivalent of woke. Yeah. You'd be asleep. Yeah. Because there was a white guy that did that, famously, who freed blacks. He used to shoot their man up. They made a film about him. Ethan Hawke played him. Yeah, but John - Have you not heard of this guy?
41:04No. There was a white guy that used to shoot slave owners back in the day. Fucking sick. Oh, they like Django on Django. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he was a white guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Ethan Hawke. He's got a mixed race daughter. The Good Lord's Bird. Is that it? Is it true? John Brown. John Brown. John Brown. John Brown. Fiery abolitionist. John Brown. He used to kill black. John Brown. He was on job. He was on it. Real ally. Yeah, he was killing whites. He was not reading the book. He was killing whites, John Brown. That's what I'll be on. I'll be on the bus to Oklahoma. So you'll be on that, you'll be killing blacks.
41:42On the bus to Oklahoma with all the blacks, sitting in the cafe getting beaten up. You fucking cracker lover. Calling you a cracker lover, yeah?
41:55So, right, so Jefferson basically decides to start America's first foreign war. This is the long road to Iraq, Afghanistan. He sends his gunboats to the Mediterranean to take on the scourge of the white slave owners, right? 60 years before... So slavery has got 600 slaves. And he sees white slaves, he goes, well, that's an absolute aberration. We've got to start a war over that. This is the first Barbary War of 1801. We should place this. What we do on the pod is that we place a year with something that happened before, something that happened afterwards. just because our listeners are very thick, right?
42:33So do you want to give it a go? 18-0-1. You know anything that happened before that? Anything. 18-0-1. Anything that happened before. What happened before? Jesus. It's after Jesus. Very good. And it's before? Anything. It's before Arsenal winning the league. Arsenal winning the league. Look at that. Jesus. Perfect. So Jesus has been gone. I can't lie. That range is big. It's big. It's a big range. Big range. It's a big range. It's a broad cushion. But it's the two-year zeros, because now I think we reset the clock. now Arsenal won the league. Yes. Zero again. You mean the most recent time Arsenal won the league?
43:06Because you could place it in the 50s when they won the league. That doesn't count. Why would you? Why would you? Why would you? 2026. So that's the first Barbary War. It's about, it lasts four years. Jefferson says, if we mean to be a respectable nation, we must protect our commerce not by begging but by strength. He sends guns. This is the first, I think it's the first US Marines, the first thing they do. Damn. go and stop white slavery. The conflict goes on for about four years. Now, there's this operation. Now, the Brits aren't protecting them because they've recently been kicked out of America.
43:42So American Brits don't get on. So American Navy isn't that good. So they're getting pummeled a bit by the Arabs. The USS Philadelphia is its ship that gets captured by the Arabs. And then there's a special operations. Similar to the Venezuelan operation. Very similar. it's like special operation where a guy called Steve Stephen Decketer he he sneaks on to the captured ship at night disguised as an Arab right and he says I am the captain now which I think he should basically just I am the captain now okay yeah but he said yeah but he said as a wife I'm the captain now I am the captain I am the captain now actually I'm the captain now actually I'm the captain I think you'll find I'm the captain I'm the captain now yeah so he sneaks on and then torches it sets fire to it so it can't be used and then snicks off again.
44:30Yeah. Wow. Pretty sick. That is sick. But yeah, it's interesting. So it's Libya, right? So it's reverse Gaddafi. This is reverse Gaddafi. Yes, this is Tripoli. And then Gaddafi, Reagan sent warships to Libya. Number one terrorist in the world. In 1980. So this is a long road. Gaddafi was that old? 1980? Gaddafi. Gaddafi, man. Yeah, he's been around. His reign was 50, 40. 50 years at the top. Gaddafi, 50 years at the top. That's longevity. Yeah. He did good, man. Multiple primes as well. Bear primes A lot of these African leaders They've got bear primes Mugabe Like David Bowie He reinvented himself He had pan-Arab He had his Arab face His African face Have you seen the Mugabe School of quotes video?
45:10No Oh man Fucking love This is I also This is radio hosts Fuck me You know I get this when I watch your clips I get so jealous Of having an entirely black audience Because just the energy Is so fucking Yeah When are you coming to do it? I'd love to do it Reparations Yeah Do I get paid for it? Yeah. Actually, no, no. In crackers. No, no, because they're not paying off for this, so balance. Okay, fine. So I have to work to be set free. Yeah, for sure. This is very funny. If you are ugly, you are ugly. Stop talking about inner beauty. Men do not walk around with x-rays to see your inner beauty.
45:50Who is that from? Mugabe. Mugabe is good. That's genius. That's so good. Men don't walk around with x-rays to see your inner beauty. Brilliant. African dictators are basically, they speak like stand-ups. Yeah. That's so good. They're the funniest, man. That's why Trump is an African dictator. Trump is an African dictator. It's just, but he has a new guy's power. So it's not as fun. Idiot, I mean, it couldn't do much damage. Trump is not as powerful as well, so it's pretty scary. Trump's an African dictator with actual power. Aye. Idiot. It's less funny. It didn't mean got rid of all the Asians.
46:27But in Uganda. The economy. Immediately this. Yeah. And they went to fucking. They came in. Mayfield. Charlie XCX. She's a fan of his Ugandan. So the first Barbary War ultimately ends with a treaty 1805. But the US still have to pay the states like$60 ,000 in reparations or something. Oh, but there's also a fucking invasion. this is the first American troops Middle Eastern what is it called the march on so this is America in the Middle East this is the start the start of it march to Doerner the start of it 1805 1805 special forces go through the desert and then they go to is it the city called Doerner which is maybe is it Moroccan or I don't know somewhere in one of these states and they pincer them it's in Libya and they have gunboats firing on the port and then they the marines come in around the back I said yeah it's the first time you had boots on the ground and the country's 20 years old.
47:24So it's like, it's always been the world's policeman. Yes. But the first instance of it being a world policeman is to stop white slavery. I find that absolutely hilarious. So then there's this like peace, but then it all kicks off because the Napoleonic Wars, I don't know how across that you guys are. I watched a Napoleon film. Yeah. Oh yeah. Terrible. White and white crime is just not that interesting. No. That's what it is. Right. You need black people in it. You need another. Yeah. You need people to be victims or perpetrators. Yeah. Right. For it to be interesting. That's why Moonlight's like whatever, mate.
47:58Yeah, for you. It's just fiction, isn't it? Yeah. Because those people don't exist. Yeah. Yeah, Gabe. They got ADHD. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So they remade Moonlight for a white audience and they called it I Swear, I think. Anyway. Nigger!
48:20First time it's been said in the pod. First time it's been said in the pod. Yeah. On N word. Well, you'd hope so. Yeah. You'd hope so. You're the first black guy. I don't trust you too. You'd hope so. Al Murray was dropping. Join the Patreon. Join the patrons industry. Behind that paywall. Anything. These niggas behind it, behind the paywall, man. We've had a couple of close shaves behind the show. so the napoleonic wars kick off which means that uh england and france are going at each other right uh gay shit who cares yeah it is gay yeah no it's gay it's white gay stuff yeah um like we're all wearing like the fucking got a plume in your hat yeah like it's very like corsets yeah and then uh then the us uh and britain started war in 1812 and then the britain at this point's got an amazing Navy and US got fuck all.
49:13So they find that, when the war kicks off, the Americans can no longer patrol the Mediterranean and the Brits, we go to the North, North Africans. Why don't you fucking start attacking, taking white slaves again and attacking American ships? Right. Because we're pinning them down in America. I didn't know we were, damn. So we, well I say, see we. Yeah. When I say we in this context, I don't know which side of the war. What is we? Was Britain supporting white slaves? but we too nah it's us too we gotta say us or Tommy Robinson get us out of here man it's true yeah the million man the million man white march is actually 50 ,000 I think it's true 40 ,000 actually 40 ,000 yeah yeah but you guys so you guys so you guys were basically like oh America okay you told them to take the white slaves back just to get back at America sneaky yeah wow very sneaky so at this point I think we might be trying are we trying to end slavery in African 1812 or is that a bit later?
50:09Because I think we're trying in the 18... So is this a period where we're... When do we try and end Black slavery? That's 1840s, right? We're under the Quakers. I don't know. But we're sort of using... The conversation's obviously around at this point. Yeah. There's a lot of people who are like, this is immoral, this is awful. Yeah. And there's some people who are sort of trying to weaponise it. Oh, fuck, it's 1807. Do you think... So obviously now... England abolished slavery in 1834, but the first act's 1807. So before this... Obviously, overly liberal people now are incredibly annoying and they always think that, whatever they're saying is they're like fighting the slavery fight.
50:40Yes. Do you think back in the day, the abolitionists were as annoying as the liberals now? Yeah. Do you? Cause I, cause I find that very funny that they were, cause it was actually, shut up. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's how it would have been. No, you should actually, if you're going to have so you need to treat them well. Fuck off. It's a free country. Yeah. Not for you, but for me it is. You're only saying that cause you don't have a slave. Yeah. Yeah. It's the politics of envy. It is. That's the Confederacy, man. The confederacy is that real? Confederate flags. So, Free the whites, man. Free the whites?
51:14Free the whites, man. I was going to say free the man then, but... No, no. Free them men. Yeah. Free them men. So, by this point, yeah, the Brits basically weaponise it and they're like, hey, why don't you start needing whites to steal slaves again? They then start and then... Second Barbary War. Yeah, so the Brits and the Americans stop that war and then the Barbary Pirates are caught with their trousers down because they're like, ah. So you get a picture of Peter Manderson? Yes, it's more Hugh Edwards, I think. Okay, right. Hugh Edwards, yeah. Hugh Edwards with his bum. Have you seen this pic?
51:48I mean, this is pretty gay shit. I don't know. Oh, I've seen Hugh Edwards. I've seen that one. You getting this? Oh, yeah, see? You getting this, Andrew? This is how many white pedos there are. We forgot this, brother. They just got like, you know how in the Prem, you got the top six, innit? Big six. Big six, but they got like - Mid-table. They got good mid-table players. that win FA Cups. Hugh Edwards. Sorry, you're talking about - This is Brentford. Like they - No, no, no. They got like - Hugh Edwards is like a Super League founding member. You reckon? Yeah. How come? No, man. He spoke at the Queen's funeral.
52:21He was buying travel porn. He announced it. He announced it. He's a big player. And under the desk. The Queen has died. He was not wearing trousers the entire time. The entire time. Yes. So what was he? So he top four, top six? He's in a top six. I don't know. I'd say most Villa at Newcastle for me personally. No, he announced the queen dying. Yeah, but what was he actually doing? He's buying Charport with a fat guy in Wales. And Scott Mills, we don't know. We don't know. We're all waiting. We're on tento hooks. Who's the top five though? Who's the top five? Pidos. Savile take number one probably.
52:56Gary? Harris, Glitter. Yeah, Gary Harris. I mean, Epstein. Epstein number two. God. Epstein number one, man. If you really think about it, he's number one. There's a lot to learn for Epstein. Ian Watkins. Come on. Ian Watkins was a bit more over down the line. Oh, you know when someone's not watching Breaking Bad and you're like, oh my God, you get to watch all of it for the first time. You don't know who Ian Watkins is. Ian Watkins is traumatized. Oh, he's the guy. Did he get killed in jail? Yeah, yeah. I know him now. I know him. That's a good one. Oh, yeah. Oh, I just remembered what he did.
53:29He was a baby. Aye. Yeah. Cosby's not doing that. Come at me Cosby's not doing that Cosby's not doing that Cosby's not doing that Cosby's not doing that He'd at least jog him first Peter Finnery is a white sport You lot are winning Thank you I don't want to take that away from you That's what I wanted to get from this conversation Honestly you can have it But as long as you give us back We're the OG slave owners We don't have much We want that back yeah well look let's just finish the story so the second but when the britain american war in 1812 ends the barbaries are caught with their pants down like you edwards because suddenly america have got this very uh like trained uh navy they've got nothing to do and so they then point their guns at the barbaries go right we're actually going to stop this properly and then the brits get involved with the dutch and the french i think and so this whole like it's like it's fucking Iraq.
54:31It's a coalition of the West coming to the Middle East to stop it. So they sail aggressively. It's been happening. It's been happening for years. Yeah, so they sail along the North African coast with warships. This is gunboat diplomacy so they basically, they capture ships and then they go up to these ports and say, we're going to fucking ruin you. We're going to level your city unless you released all the white slaves that you've got. I think when they get to, is it Tripoli or Algiers, they released like 3 ,000 white slaves and then we shall overcome free at last free at last and then and then there's one city Algiers in Algiers that does not comply and then is it the Brits just send a massive gunboat and they fire 50 ,000 cannonballs into it so Algiers like the confederacy they basball Algiers just bang they flatten it and then there's a treaty signed in 1815 which basically is the death of the Barbary states as economic entities.
55:35So their entire economy is destroyed. They had a good run though. They had a good run. Two, 300 years. They don't get their flowers. 1.25 billion Europeans. Because people always talk about the Romans and that. I never heard of these guys. They had a good run. There's a bad quarter of the Algiers. So they release American captives. They pay to compensate. They end the tribute demands. uh obviously american newspapers declare everyone a national hero uh yeah this is quite interesting decatur the guy who leads the second barbary war says our country in her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right but our country right or wrong so basically that's laying that that's american foreign policy and then on in we're always right wherever we go um decatur another place named atlanta what there's a place called there's a place called they could turn that land is there probably is named after him maybe so yeah then so then the European powers after the end of the Napoleonic Wars they then reach the consensus so they go to Algiers and they level it in 1816 that's when that happens and they abolish Christian enslavement but white slavery still carries on until the French Algerian War in 1830 I think when they actually fully end it and that's kind of the end of white slavery finally the scourge of white slavery But it carries on in the East, in the Ottoman Empire.
56:53Yes. And to be fair, I mean, there's sex slavery now, basically. It's what it is. Human trafficking. It's called human trafficking now. But it is basically white. You think of taking white slaves and that. So by 1830, white slavery has been defeated. It would be another 35 years until African slavery, black slavery, was stopped. Was it harmony then? Hey. No, until it was stopped, not started. Oh, stopped. Stopped. So it's going on. Simultaneously. Yeah, gotcha. Oh, yeah. Did you not, from the time, that's what I was saying, this whole time we're talking about this. I just keep thinking about the other side.
57:28Yeah. Because this is a discussion of white slavery. The whole time, I'm looking at the timelines. I'm like, but weren't these men... It's irrelevant what's going on. Yeah. Okay. What's funny is that the same people who were running the black slaves were fighting a war to stop white slavery. They stopped white slavery. Yeah. That's crazy. It didn't even stop... That's white privilege. That's white privilege. I mean, to be fair, that is white privilege. It's white privilege. Right there, summed up. You owning black slaves, ending slavery somewhere else. Kai. Kai. It's good to be white, man. It's good.
57:58How's it feel though, for real? So bad actually. Yeah. A lot of people complain about it at the minute, but I still think it's pretty good. I would say, yeah, because I say like to me, when I hear whites complain about losing your stuff. It's not as good as it was. But this is what I mean though. I said this to Andrew the other time, yeah. it's basically that like what white people do it's like they're like it's like the Bundesliga 20 of the leagues you win 16 but every now and again Leverkusen get one Dormann get one and then they march in the street what's the analogy? so who's you're buying you're buying Munich right the white men that are complaining that white men are losing everything you're buying Munich are you saying that like maybe the kind of the woke era that was Leverkusen winning a league yes and then we're back to it.
58:47Yes. Yes, the woke era. All it was is Leverkusen won one league. You still won everything. Let them have one. And all Bayern fans were like pissed off that Leverkusen won. It's like you won nine out of 10 leagues. Exactly. So Bayern fans were in the street going, oh, it's changed, it's woke. So the thing is, when I look at the Bayern league, I often think, because Arsenal only just won a league. I think City, doesn't it get boring winning? But now I know being white, it doesn't get boring at home. It doesn't. It doesn't get boring. Winning always feels good.
59:18That's what it is. Winning always. No, it's always good. And you can get, you can get, you can come here and say the same jokes for 20 years. The thing is also, every now and then you need to lose to remember how good it is to win. So you're saying that the kind of the, the black lives matter, all of that period, it's made it feel sweeter. It gave me a good perspective on how good white privilege is. Yes. You got to put it in context. I've got to say thank you so much. Thank you so much. For reminding me what I have. Yes. Yes. I think that's what I took from it anyway. That's what I took from it.
59:51It was the right lesson. That's what it was meant to be taken. That's what we meant to do. Thank you. That's what we're trying to communicate. Well, this has been an enthralling conversation. It really has. It has been, yes. Cross-cultural. Check out your pod. We saw that. Pods. Follow you on Instagram. Your crowd clips are fucking awesome. You do shows every month, every week? Yeah, three. Well, it used to be one a month. Top secret. Yeah, three a month. Just last Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I will say if you're watching this and you buy tickets, you will stand out. But - Yeah, you will, you will.
1:00:20No, we get whites though. We get whites. We get a few whites. What kind of whites? I think it's diverse. The whites don't show up in the clips. The whites don't show up. The clips are black on black violence. Let's be real. Nah, nah, we got a few. But fuck me, it's funny. Bemi, what kind of whites are we talking? Cool whites. Cool whites. Clean train of whites. Clean train of whites. Clean train of whites. They got mixed race girls. They got mixed race girls. Yeah, never whites with whites. What whites are we bringing? Pink safari suit whites. Yeah, those are whites. We've got sort of like Star Wars t-shirt whites.
1:00:46One of my friends is a white Alice. Nico, shout out Nico, one of my whites. He loves you guys, man. Yeah. Oh, of course he would. Yeah, we're big in white culture. Neck beard whites. We'd love to have you guys on the show. So is Nico fully white? Or is there anything? Is it cut with anything? Nico? Yeah. Mexican. It's not pure Ipoh. He's Mexican. He's - I don't know how he found us to be honest. He's Mexican. We'll check out, we saw that on all the platforms. You guys want to plug anything? Any shows? No, not for real. We saw that all the shows are sold out until... We don't really like... We're happy you're plugging it, but we don't really need your support.
1:01:21We don't, man. Wow. You are white slaves. Wow. Well, quite. Yeah, we don't really need it. But no, we appreciate you guys. Yeah, but thanks. Anything for you, sir. Yeah, we're doing... This is us giving back. This is reparations. That's why we're here. So, Bevy and Andrew are going to stick around. We're going to do the Patreon, which is on Black Caesar. Black Caesar, yeah. and other than that we'll see you next week for a brand new topic from all of us here goodbye and god bless
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