$74,000 For New Boobs | Financial Audit

9 Jan 2026 · 1 h 40 min · 39 chapters

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Financial Audit Podcast Episode Summary: $74,000 For New Boobs

Podcast Introduction

  • Host: Caleb Hammer
  • Episode Title: $74,000 For New Boobs
  • Description: A unique post-show featuring the guest and their boyfriend, highlighting a recorded argument about unpaid bills, revealing insights into personal finance challenges.

Key Points Discussed

  • The episode dives deep into a candid discussion about personal finances, including debts, spending habits, and life choices related to a desire for cosmetic surgery.

Guest Introduction

  • Name: Stevie
  • Location: St. Louis, Missouri
  • Occupation: Works in telecommunications and has side jobs related to child care and tutoring.
  • Financial Situation: Struggles with managing finances and has a significant amount of debt.

Financial Overview

  • Income:
  • Main job: $45,000/year
  • Side jobs: Approximately $4,200 - $4,300/year
  • Total monthly income roughly around $2,443 (main job) + $390 (side jobs).
  • Debt:
  • Total debt: Approximately $74,423.83
  • Significant portions include consumer debt, student loans, and planned expenses for a breast lift valued at $9,500.

Spending Habits

  • Monthly Expenses:
  • Total outflow is above income, leading to monthly deficits.
  • Notable categories include:
  • Rent: $725
  • Utilities: $200
  • Groceries: $300
  • Miscellaneous: $600
  • Unnecessary expenses and purchases on credit, including coffee, entertainment, and clothing.

Key Discussions Debt Management

  • Breast Lift: The desire for cosmetic surgery with financial implications was heavily critiqued. Caleb challenged the necessity of the surgery given current financial strains.
  • Spending Habits:
  • Over-reliance on credit cards for purchases.
  • Struggles with paying bills on time, leading to overdrafts and accruing interest.

Relationship Dynamics

  • Issues with the boyfriend regarding financial responsibility and communication were highlighted. The guest expressed a desire for an open relationship, complicating their dynamics further.

Personal Reflection

  • Stevie discusses prior experiences as a sugar baby, indicating a history of financial instability and the desire for financial independence.
  • There is a notable tension between personal desires (like obtaining a breast lift) and the harsh reality of their financial situation.

Recommendations & Financial Score

  • Caleb's Advice:
  • Focus on improving job stability and income.
  • Prioritize paying down existing debt before considering large cosmetic expenses.
  • Develop a working budget to manage spending better.
  • Financial Score:
  • Overall score: 1 out of 10, indicating severe financial instability and the need for drastic changes in financial management practices.

Closing Remarks

  • Caleb emphasizes the need for financial literacy and better budgeting practices while advocating for accountability in personal finance.
  • The episode concludes with a suggestion for Stevie to engage in financial education resources provided by Caleb Hammer, including budgeting tools and courses.

Links and Resources

  • Budgeting App: DollarWise
  • Financial Education: Caleb Hammer's website for courses and resources.
  • Sponsorships: Offers for financial products to aid in improving financial health.

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This episode serves as a stark reminder of the complexities associated with personal finances, the impact of lifestyle choices, and the importance of financial education and responsibility.

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Chapters

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Stevie's Career and Income

0:54 to 3:06

Discussion about Stevie's job in telecommunications and income details.

“That's the McDonald's fries type of hair.”

Financial Challenges and Side Jobs

3:06 to 5:30

Exploration of Stevie's financial struggles and side jobs they undertake.

“How many reading sessions have you done in school?”

Desire for a Boob Job

5:30 to 7:50

Stevie shares their desire for a breast lift and discusses costs.

“I mean, that's not half bad when we're talking percentage increase.”

Gender Identity and Expression

7:50 to 9:10

Discussion around Stevie's gender identity and societal perceptions.

“and, like, body dysmorphia there for a while.”

Debt and Financial Planning

9:10 to 11:10

Stevie discusses their debt and the financial implications of their choices.

“I haven't even, like, said an opinion yet.”

Workplace Dynamics and Job Security

11:10 to 14:01

Conversations about Stevie's work environment and concerns about job security.

“That's why you've never made any progress in your life.”

Navigating Job Challenges

14:01 to 18:10

Discussing workplace mistakes, management expectations, and job security fears.

“But I literally - Too many mistakes, what?”

Relationship Dynamics and Financial Strain

18:11 to 21:08

Exploring the impact of financial responsibilities on personal relationships and job decisions.

“And also this AI thing, who even knows if that's true?”

The Complexity of Open Relationships

21:09 to 22:51

Delving into the challenges and desires surrounding open and polyamorous relationships.

“He said that he was willing to try it, that, you know, he would be okay with that.”

Future Plans and Career Decisions

24:52 to 28:00

Discussing potential career moves, financial independence, and personal growth.

“Like, I can't work with those families full-time because they have school.”
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Navigating Relationships and Personal Choices

28:00 to 30:40

Explore the complexities of relationships and the impact on financial decisions.

“Okay, well, apparently you're saying a lot but you're doing nothing.”

Life as a Sugar Baby: An Insider's Perspective

30:40 to 32:40

Understand the dynamics and implications of being a sugar baby.

“I need to just hear where your mind is at.”

The Challenges of Adulting and Financial Independence

32:40 to 35:30

Discuss the struggles of achieving financial independence and adult responsibilities.

“And then I kind of had like a manic episode.”

Evaluating Financial Health: A Personal Check

35:30 to 39:40

Learn about assessing personal financial health and taking control of one's finances.

“because I was like, that was like such an era of my life.”

Making Big Financial Decisions: The Boob Job Dilemma

40:04 to 42:00

Evaluate the financial implications of cosmetic procedures amidst personal financial struggles.

“And then for about only a month left only, I will personally sign my budget-friendly cookbook and mail it directly to you.”

Debating Cosmetic Surgery Costs

42:00 to 44:25

Discussing the financial implications of a cosmetic surgery decision.

“And I honestly thought I was just going to support it instinctively.”

Rethinking Financial Priorities

44:25 to 45:48

Analyzing the necessity and timing of surgery in light of existing debt.

“If you were about to say$50 ,000, I'd be like, oh, shit, we got something to play with here.”

Exploring Financial History and Spending

46:59 to 51:18

Discussing past financial choices and the impact of addiction on finances.

“I don't know if you're not a plastic surgeon, but I understand.”

Future Financial Planning and Education

51:18 to 56:00

Outlining a plan for financial education and debt management.

“My insurance didn't cover everything, though.”

Introduction to Financial Programs

56:00 to 56:30

Learn about the Master Your Money program and its included resources.

“Well, I'm putting you through the Master Your Money program.”

Discussion on Unnecessary Spending

56:30 to 57:10

A critical conversation on spending money on non-essential items.

“Okay, so she puts things on her debt, Klarna.”

Understanding Credit Card Debt

57:10 to 57:50

Insights on the dangers of using credit cards to pay off other debts.

“Then she pays for her Klarna debt with her credit card that accrues at a 28 % interest rate of death.”

Financial Reality Check

57:50 to 58:20

A stark examination of the individual's financial situation.

“By the way, I will say once more, they are very nice.”

Conversations About Financial Behaviors

58:20 to 59:10

Discussion on the disconnect between knowledge and behavior in finances.

“and it's being charged via cash advance from this person's credit card of$150.”

Consequences of Financial Decisions

59:10 to 1:00:00

Understanding the impact of financial decisions on overall well-being.

“I had like$900 come out of my checking account at one time.”

Exploring Personal Addictions

1:00:00 to 1:01:00

Discussion on addiction and its influence on financial decisions.

“Horror is becoming my new favorite word of the day.”

Talking About Relationships and Finance

1:01:00 to 1:02:00

Insights on how personal relationships affect financial decisions.

“I mean, I'd rather be a whore than an asshole.”

Financial Awareness and Resources

1:02:00 to 1:03:00

Encouragement on seeking help and understanding finances better.

“if you're opening a car that's in the same like financial institution as the one you're trying to transfer over.”

Assessing Vehicle Financing

1:08:20 to 1:10:01

Detailed analysis of a car loan and its financial implications.

“And finally, sign up for automated investing with acorns.”

Car Value and Payment Challenges

1:10:01 to 1:13:42

Discussion about car value, high interest payments, and financial struggles.

“Well, Edmonds has an appraisal report, and Edmonds is the best, the most accurate value on the internet, much better than KBB and those other ones.”

Plastic Surgery Plans and Financial Implications

1:13:43 to 1:15:03

Exploration of plastic surgery options and their financial burden.

“There's a surgeon in Chicago that they suggested.”

Managing Debt and Budgeting Issues

1:15:04 to 1:17:25

Discussion on debt management strategies and budgeting techniques.

“Of which is$30 a month paying off 19 months.”

Student Loans and Financial Awareness

1:17:26 to 1:20:38

Conversation about student loans, repayment plans, and financial awareness.

“And you said he's worse with finances than you, and you're already pretty spectacularly bad.”

Tax Responsibilities and Financial Accountability

1:20:39 to 1:24:00

Debate on tax responsibilities and the importance of financial accountability.

“You never advocate for yourself in any way whatsoever.”

Budgeting Challenges and Personal Financial Struggles

1:24:00 to 1:25:10

Explore the host's budgeting issues and past financial challenges.

“Every week on Sunday, I go through my, like, checking account, and I write down, I forgot to bring my planner because I'm an idiot.”

Discussing Unnecessary Purchases

1:25:10 to 1:27:10

A humorous exploration of unnecessary purchases and spending habits.

“Okay, then I'm not going to put it down.”

Health and Medical Expenses Breakdown

1:27:10 to 1:28:20

Analyzing health-related expenses and their impact on budgeting.

“I call him straight adjacent, though, because I'm non-binary, so he can't be, like, straight.”

Debt Management and Financial Strategies

1:28:20 to 1:32:50

Discussing debt management strategies and long-term financial planning.

“$2 ,000 dropped on a PC just to play Sims.”

The Hammer Financial Score

1:32:50 to 1:33:36

The hosts reveal a humorous yet sobering financial score analysis.

“Not the worst of the worst of the worst.”
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0:00To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube. I mean, I used to be a sugar baby. And he would f*** you? Yeah. Okay, so kind of like f***ing. Okay, keep going. No. Bliss Aesthetics for$1 ,000. What the f*** are you doing? That is actually my deposit for my boob job. I want a boob job. Your down payment on the aesthetics thing is literally done on Klarna. Yeah. Klarna! Get your free trial to the DollarWise budgeting app today. Join the tens of thousands of active users who are taking control of their money and changing their lives. With new features being added constantly, there's no reason not to try it.

0:36And if you like it, choose the annual version to save a ton of money and get my budget-friendly cookbook signed by me and mailed directly to you. DollarWise.app or link in the description below. Hi, I'm Stevie. I'm 28. My pronouns are they, them. I'm from St. Louis, Missouri, and this is Financial Audit. None of us could have guessed from the hair. That's the McDonald's fries type of hair. Yeah. Who would have guessed? Yeah. I'm obviously just like a regular straight person sitting in front of you. Uh-huh. Okay. Great. So what do you do for – welcome. Welcome down to Austin. Oh, thank you. I'm happy to have you.

1:13Austin especially loves the they-thems. Yes. So you're extra welcome. And before anyone says anything, I can't wash my hair today. Don't judge how I look. This is a requirement. I can wash it again tomorrow, and I don't own any hats. Okay. So what do you do for a living in St. Louis? Barista. No. So I work in telecommunications. Thank you very much. Being the assistant that goes and gets coffee? No. I actually work like directly with internet and phone providers. And I build proposals for our clients to be like, hey, do you want better internet? Okay. Everyone likes better internet. That's good.

1:51So sales? I don't do salesy. No, no, no, no, no. You just create the packages. My role is not. I am very much like the man behind the curtain. Well. I pulled the. The they behind the curtain. I'm the person behind the curtain. I pull all the information and I'm like, here you go. You have fun talking to the customer because that is. Oh, wait. You actually prefer male pronouns as well? I prefer like, call me like dude, bro. Oh, okay. I don't like like girl. No. Are we transitioning? No. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because I'm referring male things. So I'm just like, are we trying to budget in a future penis?

2:31No, I have one of those at home. It's fine. Oh, Dildo. Well, I mean, yeah, and I've got, you know, another one that's attached to a person. A boyfriend. I do. Oh, very good, very good. Well, okay, glad to hear. So what are you making in this job? So during the school year, they actually cut my pay. I was going to make a lot of people on Twitter happy. They, them working with kids. Here we go. Okay. I love my kids. Yeah, you keep saying it. So what do you make with this cut pay? So they cut me down to 45. How many reading sessions have you done in school? Reading sessions? I don't know what you're talking about.

3:17What do you make? What do I make at job? Big kid job? Please. Please don't do this. Oh, yes. Yeah, 45 a year at 36 hours a week. 45? How the fuck? What do you mean? St. Louis is chief, declining city in every metric whatsoever, in every way whatsoever. Pretty much a horrendous place to live. It's a shell of what used to be a major player in the United States. And I don't know why anyone lives there anymore, including yourself. So actually 45. I'm not saying you can do well off that, but I could see. Okay, so you're staying for family. Yeah. That is the one reason to stay. That's the only reason I would be in West Michigan today.

3:54Okay, thank you. No, I get it. But still, lack of opportunities kind of equals that$45 ,000 job. But$45 ,000 also stretches more in a city where you can get a house for$1. So it kind of makes sense. $45 ,000, how you doing? I mean, I also work side jobs on top of that. So clearly that does not get me where I need to be. Well, what are the side jobs? Yeah, I work with kids. Hold on. I do after school care and tutoring Monday through Thursday. What do you tutor? Just kind of whatever. So the kids are in, the younger ones are in seventh grade. And then I have two high schoolers. But pretty much I work with the seventh graders.

4:38So what can I mark down as, okay, let's go back to your main job. What can I mark down as hits per month? Can I use my calculator? You don't know just your paychecks? Well, I get a bonus. So three. Use your calculator. Okay, thank you. Tutor. Stop.

4:562 ,443 a month. 2 ,443. Yes. Good. Yeah. And what can we say from the other jobs? I make 390 a week there. That's not bad. No. The heck aren't you doubling down on that, right? A week times 52 divided by 12. It's not like I can work with the kids while they're at school. Yeah. No, no, no. For sure. For sure. For sure. I get that. But even still, I mean, are you working every single day, every single hour? Well, there you go. See, that's why I said let's double down. But either way, an extra$60.90 a month, right? I mean, that's not half bad when we're talking percentage increase. And that's why I go back during the school year.

5:36Because my boss is like, I hate the fact that you go back and work with the kids during the school year. And I'm like, are you going to pay me that? No. No, I mean, I get that. But if we're talking here, all of a sudden you're up to$4 ,133. Now we're actually times 12, talking$50 ,000 a year. Now that's a big change. That's a big increase. So what's going on? What are we talking about? I've got a lot of debt. And I just, I want to forget about that. I don't want to forget about it, but I want to, like, get rid of it. I want a boob job.

6:10I like. I guess they don't exist. I can see that. No, no, no, no, no, no. I only wear sports bras, which is the ironic thing. I don't like regular bras. What are you trying to do? I want them lifted. I just want them to, like. They're saggy. Yeah. Why? My family has really bad boobs. Yeah. Okay, so you want a nip tuck? Is that what it's called? No. What? It's a breast lift. Breast lift. Yeah. Okay, you want a breast lift. You want a perky and nice. We like perky and nice. We like perky and nice. Big fan. What, even though you're like a guy? Okay. Gender identity and gender expression are two different things, Caleb.

6:50I'm lost already. If you look at me, you're going to think, okay. One. Yeah, exactly. Crazy woman. But gender identity, who I am, does not equal what I look like. It's a spectrum. Okay, so you prefer male pronouns. No, no, no. I want to make sure I'm respectful. Gender neutral pronouns. I personally don't care. Oh, but you prefer the guy things. Male-like terms. Like, dude. Now there's pronouns and terms. Okay. Woo! It's not that I don't respect it. It is that I am. It's confusing. Confused. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay to be confused. Because it's ever-changing and everyone has their own definitions.

7:25and then the moment you get a slightly wrong, you're a Nazi. So, okay. I'm open to questions. I'm open to questions about it. No, I just want to make sure I'm being respectful. But also, I was kind of confused why someone who I thought was kind of a guy-ish to them wants their nipples to be perky nipples and boobies. Because I like them. I did want to have, like, full-on-top surgery because I was having, like, really bad gender dysmorphia and, like, body dysmorphia there for a while. There it is. And then I went like the polar opposite and I was like, you know what? I want my boobs to look real good.

8:02That would have been concerning if you got a completely life-altering surgery. How long did you have that thought for? A few years. It wasn't one of those things where like... How old were you? It was just like 2021 maybe. Well, everyone was a little f***ed up when we were locked inside. That's what I'm saying, you know? And then like I let that pass. Again, I mean, I think anyone should do whatever the they want to do. I don't care. But I'm also glad you didn't do that because now you literally want your boobs to be nicer. I know. So what does this cost? So this is what we're trying to budget for?

8:37Yeah. Well, what does this cost? It's$9 ,500. Oh, for sake. Okay, that's a lot when it comes to your job. But it's not a lot for a boob job. And you're clearly just doing it for yourself, right? Oh, 100%. I confess you just wear a sports bra, so you seem flat. Yeah. Okay. Because I don't care what anybody else thinks of me. But, like, I want to feel good about it. Yeah, do your thing. Yeah. That's expensive,$10 ,000 to get perky tits. Yeah. I'm not going to disagree with you on that. On that, the fact that I want to get them done. What have you disagreed with me on? I haven't even, like, said an opinion yet.

9:14I know. Yeah, we haven't gotten there yet. Just, like, learning and talking. Okay. Listen, I want to know. Well, first of all, I mean, what hit your account is going against everything what you're saying. It was only$3 ,700 versus the$4 ,137 that's supposed to come in. I get paid through Venmo. Yes, I had Venmo come in of$1 ,107. This isn't mathing up. Because even your payroll was higher than you said by$200. But the Venmo in was substantially less than what you said. That is like, I don't want to say necessarily average. So that's like mostly what I get. But obviously there's weeks where I am not with the kids.

9:58I don't know what's average. I don't know what's normal. Okay. But either way, so that's what came in. 3 ,746. What was your outflow? Outflow. Total outflow. Everything going out in every way. I'm going to say 4 ,500. It was basically just under 6 ,000. So what the f*** are we doing? I don't know. How do you get to the point of being able to afford a$10 ,000 boob job if we're spending thousands more than we make? What are we doing? Do you live with the boyfriend? Yeah. Okay. So is that why your life is probably subsidized? Is that why you think you're able to just go spend more money than you make and not see the massive amount of consequences?

10:33You will, but it catches up a little slower. It catches up a little slower. I think it'll be worth it. What is this? Well, actually, no, that doesn't even make sense because I'm literally, Lindsay's telling me that, You actually just want to break up with him. What the fuck? Wait, he's here. He is. Listen, he's the only reason you're able to survive right now, but you're about to. You want to break up. It's okay. What the fuck are we doing? You're going to be in the dirt. You're going to be in a ditch. No, I have backup plans. What's your backup plans? Mommy and daddy? No, my grandma. Oh, for fuck's sake.

11:14Fuck's sake. Dude, you're saying that at 28. What a joke. That's why you've never made any progress in your life. That's why you've never done anything. That's why you're prioritizing a boot job over literally anything else that would benefit your life. Because people will be there and bail you out. So you've never had to grow up in your life. I absolutely have. You're dressed like a clown. I'm not. Okay. No, with the hair and everything. So where's the grow up? I don't hear the grow up. Just because I have yellow hair, you think that I can't be a grown up? Yes. I work an office job. I got the office job with the yellow hair.

11:51Okay. Yeah, not making an office pay, but correct. Well, it's a super small company. And the owner hates me. I'm a super small company. I pay good money. Well, yeah, that's different though. That's because like you actually care. My boss doesn't care about his employees. So a grown-up would go get a better job. Grown-up. Have you tried? Have you liked the job market? I literally have. Yes, I have the analytics. It's not the best job market right now, I will say. How long have you had this job? I've worked here for over a year now. Okay. Well, it was a little better a year ago. Over a year. It took me six months to get this job.

12:27What? Huh? It took me six months to get into this job. Okay. Well, she's also, Lindsay's also telling me that things are on the rocks at your current job. Like what? So break, want to break up with her boyfriend. Like the only reason that we're able to even like stay afloat. And two, things are on the rocks at the job. I don't even know that. The job thing is not my fault. Says every colored haired woman. So they're apparently implementing a new AI program that is going to be specifically affecting my department. Well, AI is good at not canceling their employers on TikTok. I, nobody, nobody knows.

13:01Girl, the moment you get laid off, you're going on TikTok and talking shit about that company. No, no, I'm not that type of person. Uh-huh. I, I talk about things with people that are close to me. because it affects my life. So what's on the rocks? Tell me. So, okay. Because that's your entire, that's like, that's 70 % of your income source. I know. Literally a week ago, my boss called me into his office and wanted to offer me a different role. The evil boss. Yeah. Oh, a different role? The one that hates me. A different role? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wanted me to be on his team. Granted, keep in mind, two weeks before this, my supervisor was on her honeymoon and so I was taking on like the brunt of her role, making sure everything got assigned, making sure all the work got done.

13:50Welcome to the small business, yes. You need your job. Yeah, and that is no problem to me. I do not mind doing that. However, while she was on her honeymoon, he brought me into his office and like berated me, docked my bonus saying that I was making too many mistakes. Let's hear the why. But I literally - Too many mistakes, what? There were three months in a row. Instead of being defensive, try to take his perspective. Absolutely. But I agree. I agree that there were mistakes made. I'm a human. Caleb, I'm a human. You're a human, but guess what? There's another human out there that'll take the same pay, if not less pay, and have less mistakes.

14:24Okay, sure. So you're really just, I mean. Sure, but when I ask questions. You're having an agreement. It's you and an employer to do a job to get the pay. But when I ask questions. If you're not doing the job they want, they will not feel the desire to pay you. They will go find someone else that will do the pay and the job. However, why not tell me my mistakes? Well, it sounds like he did. No. He literally told me that he wasn't going into detail about any of the mistakes. He kept it very vague the entire time I asked questions. I don't know if I trust your interpretation of this event. You know what?

14:59That's totally fine. You know, you don't have to. But I asked him specifically, like, okay, what mistakes? Like, what can I do to, like, you know, do better? You know, what are your expectations? I mean, he's like, I'm not going to go into detail about the whole thing. Just know that, you know, we're just noticing too many mistakes. And if that's true, then that's bad management on his part. Yeah. Sure. Again, interpretation. I'm curious. But he said he offered you another position. So if things are on the rocks, it doesn't sound like it. Back to that. So last week he wanted me on his team. After he's yelling at me about making mistakes, he's like, I want you to join my team and be his assistant.

15:39Assistant? Yeah. I would be working with his clients one-on-one and— Same pay? Uh-huh. And I would be building proposals doing the thing that I'm already doing. Well, you were talking—well, it's a small business, so a lot of people take up—you know, you do multiple jobs. Granted. When you do that, here, this happens. Yeah. Okay, that's normal. So, what's the concern? You mentioned, like, an AI thing. What do you— Yes. What's the concern? Yes. So, I—you know, he wasn't going to offer me more pay. I was going to be doing more intensive work than what I currently do. And I love my department. My supervisor is amazing.

16:14She's so, so, so supportive of me. Great, great. Okay, go on. So I told him, I was like, you know, thank you for the offer. But, you know, I think I'm just going to stay in the department for the job that I was hired for. Well, that's probably not a good job security, I'll be honest. He goes, well, you know, once this AI program gets implemented, we're going to have to be cutting someone from your department, probably somebody who doesn't work a full 40 hours a week. You work a full 40? I work 36, which is still legally full-time in the state of Missouri. He's at 40, though. I know. He was specifically singling me out.

16:42Yes. And so I literally said to his face— Okay, so take the other job. A little bit of self-preservation here, lady. No one's entitled to a job. I literally cannot. His assistant hates me. Yes, but you might be temporarily taking this while searching for another job. I can search for another job. Yeah, but I want you to collect an income while you're searching for the other job. Are you stupid? What are you talking about? You're trying to get 10 ,000-hour boobs. Yeah. That's not even in the conversation if you might be laid off and you're not willing to do any kind of self-preservation whatsoever.

17:17What? What are you talking about? I'll make it work. How does that work, please, in detail? That sounds like a great plan. Caleb, I have been in so many different roles. I've done so many different things. Girl, you're 28. Shut the fuck up. Go on. I am fully capable of finding something. To make it work. Well, as we've both confessed, this is the worst job market since the Great Recession. Yeah. And I get that. But if I need to take on some shitty, like, two part-time jobs, doing whatever. Would they trust you? Would they trust me with what? I don't know. Other than Starbucks. You're a walking red flag.

17:52No offense. Dude, I've been in management position since I was 19. Girl, you're making$45 ,000 a year management. Yes, because. What are you talking about? Because I changed career paths. That's not shitting on$45 ,000 a year, by the way. but it's just like you're not going to be able to jerk yourself off with that. No, I finished my degree and I changed career paths because I was tired of working in retail. And also this AI thing, who even knows if that's true? AI is like, the actual analytics about job replacements aren't even 100 % great. It's just a shitty job market right now because tech overhired and money's expensive to borrow.

18:25I know, but it was like one of those fear tactic things. It may have been. It may have been. And that's why I was like, well. Which, why not do any kind of self-preservation? Take the other job and then apply for another job like it's your full-time job. I mean, I could do that. So you're not breaking up with your boyfriend? Because I was told specifically beforehand that you want to break up with your boyfriend. We have had issues. Every relationship has issues. I know, but it's like... But literally, you guys live together. It's so stagnant. It's the only reason you can afford bills. Stagnant.

19:01Yeah. The relationship is just like, it's like we live two separate lives. Okay, tell me. Like, I mean, I work a lot. I'll probably bring him in the post show. He doesn't like the fact that I work a lot. Okay, he needs to stop being a post. When I get home at like, you know, 7.30, 8 p.m. And then it's like, I need to eat. We'll watch a TV show together. And then I'm going to bed. And he's like, we get no time together and everything. And I'm like, I work. I get some of that on the opposite side too. but she doesn't, it doesn't turn into a toxic thing. Yeah. She just understands that I worked my ass off.

19:35But then it's like, you know, he wants to complain that I'm working all the time and that like I don't have any time for him. But when I am home, like on the weekends, like. Well, how long has this been going on? If this is going to be the big breakup. I mean, we've been together for almost three years. So what the fuck? So are you breaking up or not? We are working on it. We almost did. Oh, I was told you we want to break up. We almost did. Okay. Where would you lean right now? on a metric of breaking up. 0 % is not breaking up 100 % and is 100 % breaking up. Where are you on the scale? I'd say 50 because I want to give, I want to give it a chance because our relationship dynamic, the idea is like our relationship dynamic needs to change.

20:16Well, you hit them out of the gate when you guys first started seeing each other that you wanted to be open. So you wanted to... Immediately. Well, that's okay. Well, I told them that like I want a polyamorous relationship. Open is fun. And it can be fun. Having sex is fun. But it has to 100 % agreed by the other person. Not agreed out of pressure, though. No, no, no, no. They want to also be actively want to be open. Caleb, I get this. But he doesn't, as far as I at least know from the nose. Well, that's what I'm saying. We almost broke up recently. You can keep a roof over your head right now.

20:49This is with this guy, but you're trying to go take... No. I want a girlfriend, Caleb. So you will only f*** women? Yeah. Only, strictly. You will never see a penis. But the thing is, I don't want an open relationship. I want a polyamorous relationship. Does he? I want us to have a girl. That's what I'm saying. We had a conversation about it. He said that he was willing to try it, that, you know, he would be okay with that. But he's never been in a polyamorous relationship. So I told him, like, go to therapy. Yeah. And? Yeah. And I loved it. Well, you're not. It was perfect. So it probably wasn't perfect.

21:22I'm not now. Because, well, she told me. Sounds like it didn't work. Because she wanted to break up with him. They were together for four years before I joined into their relationship. Why are you trying to fuck up this thing that is literally, I know it's not perfect. No relationship is perfect. But again, I want to preface this. The only reason you're able to survive right now is because you split bills with someone else. Like, what are we doing? Like, you're about to fuck up in a massive time while also being on the chopping block of getting laid off. while also trying to drop$10 ,000 on making boobs perky while spending$2 ,000 more than you make on a monthly basis.

21:57Like, none of this is stacking up. Happiness is important. Happiness is important, but you're literally on the edge of losing everything. And trust me, you'll be a lot less happy than you are right now on that other side. I'll figure it out. No, that's okay. Tell me. I'll figure it out. Listen, that's something I hear all the time. How about you give me some details? Because I'll figure it out itself is not a plan. So tell me the big grand plan. I have been in like every single industry. Hey, not about what you've done. Tell me what your plan is, you f***ed. Plan? In this job market, the worst job market you've ever seen in your lifetime, as an adult for sure.

22:30Go back to doing full-time child care. Easy. I have connections. How much were you making doing that? I make$30 an hour with the kids. Why aren't you doing that? And stop saying to kids. Because I want an actual career. I love it. This is my passion. Like, like doing that. You literally told Lindsay earlier that you couldn't work in child care full-time. No. I... Let's talk about student loans. I know it's something we all avoid talking about, but if your private student loans are crushing you, Y-Refi might be exactly what you need. They don't rely on your credit score alone. They look for borrowers who have the desire and the ability to repay.

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24:33The number one ranked energy drink is Gamer Subs. Literally, the cherry flavor is insane. Listen, you can also get free samples to see if you like it. Or 10 % off your order at gamersupps.gg. Or click that link in the description below. Type in code Caleb. Because kids are in school. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Like, I can't work with those families full-time because they have school. I feel like you don't know what you do. Would you have a full-time job? What do you mean? I would probably just work with another family during the day. Like, okay, if you get it. Again, I feel like as things cut back in a recession, you know, it's not necessarily taking care of your kids cut back, but the more frivolous spending things.

25:25And sometimes having someone over can be considered frivolous spending. I'm not saying you wouldn't be able to find something, but your plan is that will 100 % work? And it makes me scared. No, I'm just saying that that's an option of mine. Okay, that's an option. What else is in your grand plan here? I could have a roommate. If things don't work out with a boyfriend, I could always get a roommate because, like, we just had an issue not too long ago. Like, he didn't pay me for his half of the utilities by the end of the month. He thought that it was okay for him to wait until the third. Is it?

26:01Whenever he gets paid. No! Okay, what's agreed upon? What's been agreed upon? Agreed upon in the entirety of our relationship was that he would pay me for his half of the bills before the end of the month. So why is he f***ing it? It's happened so many times. And like this month, I was like... And that got you close to breakup? That was like one of the big reasons. Because I'm like, we have a financial responsibility together, right? That's what you're saying. So then why am I fronting everything? And then him just being like, oh, I can just pay whenever I want. I'm so confused. I'm getting so many just weird things.

26:35Okay, Stevie, who is you, wants an open relationship so he, as in him, can sleep with other people. What? What? This is such a mess. I have a medical problem. I get chronic ovarian cysts. So sex is very painful for me. Well, stop. Oh, my God. I wish I could. Or take it in the ass. I don't know. Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no. Thank you. We're open-minded here. I will pass. Okay, I was joking. Keep going. Okay, yeah, you get cysts in your... That sucks. I do. It hurts. Yeah, that hurts. Always? I feel them most of the time. So you can fuck. I can, but it, like, it has to be, it's like, it's like doing surgery.

27:15You know, you have to be, like, very methodical and, like, very planned out. It's got to be, like, a whole thing. So you want him to go f*** some people? Yeah. Does he? I mean, he's, he's a man. He gets horny. And sometimes I'm like, I physically cannot. So he does? I honestly don't think that he wants to go f*** other people. but I want him to be able to. That's such a mess. Welcome to my life. Yeah, and what are you doing about it? You're about to get laid off and you aren't accepting that job change. You're doing nothing. I'll get you a course career certification to help boost your skills so hopefully you can get a different job.

27:54Yeah. A little easier. I'll get you that for free. Huh? I want to get my MBA. Okay. How are you paying for school and taking the income? That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm not doing it yet. Okay, well, apparently you're saying a lot but you're doing nothing. You're literally putting yourself on that edge again in your relationship, in this job. Yeah. So what the f*** are we doing? And not just because grandma will take care of us. That's horrible. How old's grandma? 68. I hope she's healthy. She is. Good. But you won't be able to rely on her forever. No, I'm not trying to rely on her. I'm just like, like she's.

28:25Oh, you're bringing it up now and all this shit because you found a girl on a queer local Facebook page. No, no, no. She's my best friend. She's talked about how she wants to date me. You want to bring her in. But no, no, no, no. Her and her partner. You're going to fuck things up with this guy. No. Her and her partner are in an open relationship. That's not what I'm wanting. But I would like to date her. But that's not like. Show me her. Okay. She better be hot. Perky tits, I guess, if that's what you're into. Well, she's probably not going to be your type. But I think she's cute. I don't know.

28:59Well, then how can you say that? You make fun of me for having yellow hair. So I'm like, people like me probably are here today. Well, I've never seen that color before. Oh, okay. Well, does it look good? Huh? Does it look good?

29:13You're thinking awfully hard about that. No, I've already made my conclusion. I'm just staying quiet. It's just, you know, it's not my hair doesn't look good today either. That's okay. We can both be struggling together. So this was us at the MCR concert. So it's not like a great representation of what she looks like. Can I see a normal picture? by chance? Yeah. Because that's scary. We went... That was emo scary. Hey. We went dumpster diving and we found these like two fully put together mannequins. It was super funny. Actually, let me just look at my Instagram. Maybe stay in St. Louis. We don't need to unleash you on the rest of the world.

29:53Are you sure? Okay. I... Which one is she? One on the left? Obviously not the one with yellow hair. Or I guess I didn't have yellow hair at that time. Yeah. Yeah, you looked a lot more normal. Yeah, I did go normal for a while, but I didn't feel like myself. This is a wood. This is a run and hide. Here, I'll show you what my hair did look like whenever. No, that's okay. I don't need that. See, isn't that cute? That's you? That's me. And that's a run and hide as well. See, the last picture is a wood. That is a run and hide. Just saying. I'm going to be candid. To each their own. Well, you literally put on clown makeup in that photo.

30:30So, yes, I'm running and hiding, whereas in the previous picture, you were attractive. Okay. Okay. Before we get into these finances, again, your plan, this grand plan. I need to just hear where your mind is at. Grand plan. So you said you can get into child care. Maybe you can, maybe you can't. It's hard to just rely on one thing. What else? Grand plan. I mean, I used to be a sugar baby. To who? To what? What did that look like? It was great. What did that look like? Like, that's not an answer. So I met him on a website and— He was a man. Yeah. And he came to visit me. This was when I was in college.

31:10We, like, we actually had, like, a really good relationship. Like, we had a lot in common. How old were you? I was 22. How old was he? He was my mom's age. So I think he was, like, 40. Okay. Were you hot? Was I hot? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What have I not been? Yellow hair. Go on. Yes. To incorporate this back into the grand strategy, what did you make? How did it work? I mean, it kind of varied. So, like, I got paid, like, an allowance every time he came to visit me, and he came to visit me every weekend. And he would f*** you. Yeah. Okay. So, kind of like prostitutes. Okay, keep going. No. It was like a relationship.

31:58That she got an allowance. It was a relationship that had a financial advantage. Yeah. That's how I would like to put it. That's how you would like to put it. We, like, texted all the time and, like, talked all the time about just, like, life and everything. Advance process. Continue. Okay, anyway. And he would, like, take me places. We would go to, like, Cardinals games. We would just, like, go travel a little bit. And, well, also— How much were you making? Ugh, I don't know. This was so long ago, Caleb. I would say probably like. Well, if this is part of the grand plan, if we get. Okay. Not.

32:34So what are we making? What were we making? It wasn't. I mean, it was probably pretty on par with what I'm making. That's insanity. Okay. It's about two grand a month. And it was just one guy? Yeah. Consistently. And then I kind of had like a manic episode. Shocked. And so I ended things with him. and then I had a few more moments where like one guy I met who lived in Alaska and I like flew to Alaska and we were gonna like get married to strangers and then I met the guy and I was like absolutely not but I did have a four day vacation in Alaska and he paid you yeah and he f***ed you no no no no he did not f*** you did not let him he paid you and he didn't even get the f*** no that's abuse yeah he was just not so I don't want you to have to get back into The Prostedict Plus is the advanced product.

33:26Okay. Or Prime, Prostedict Prime. We don't, I don't want you to get into Prostedict Elite once more. No. I mean, I just go back to all the fans. You did OF. Yeah. Do you do OF? No, I quit whenever I got with boyfriend because he didn't like it. But you wouldn't be breaking up if you got laid off. Except you guys are on the verge of breaking off now. But he would allow you to do OF. I asked him to do it with me, but he said he wouldn't do it with me. But he would let you do OF? Okay, first of all, nobody lets me do anything. Well, potentially, a relationship is usually compromises and kind of what we like the other person doing and not doing.

34:05So, yes, there is a part of let. There's a part of acceptance. Or not. Okay, yeah. Okay, would he accept? I don't know. We'd have to talk about it more. What were you making on OF? Oh, that was such a fever dream. because I was still like unmedicated at that time. So it would like, it would be random because like sometimes I would make a lot because I would like actually put effort into it. What kind of content were you making? And then I would go ghost. Huh? What content were you making? So just solo, but I was super fun with it. So I would like choose a song and it's like I would make like a music video out of it.

34:46I spent so many hours editing my videos. I actually loved doing it, But, yeah, I stopped. Are you talking about me? Yes. Okay, so jumping back into that would be brutal. Yeah. I don't want you to jump into prostitution light, which is that, or prostitution advance, which is the other one. I mean, yeah, it's not ideal. Taking dick for money or having people fat to you for money. That's not—see, this is what I don't like. I don't like that the alternative for a young woman is just like if things get bad, I would just literally make money off of my body, off my tits, my saggy tits. I could. I know.

35:24Well, I'm asking your grand plan. You're bringing it up, dude. You f***ing tit. Well, I have two of them. I can put them to use. It's not active anymore, right? No. You deleted the account. No, yeah, I deleted them. Okay. So it's even harder to get back into. I know. I know. But I'm also glad you deleted it. It was really tough letting it go. because I was like, that was like such an era of my life. Because like, I compromised so much in the beginning of our relationship. Yeah, and now you're regretting it and you want to break up with him. Yeah, that's why I'm at the point where I'm like, okay, hold up.

35:59I let go of so much of myself, so we need to like reel it back in. Let me be me. Does he like you? Yeah. You, you? That you're reeling back in? I mean, I don't, we haven't really talked. But we just, Caleb, we just started our therapy journey again. We're figuring it out. My new therapist, like, specializes in polyamory. So, like, we're going to have a lot of homework to work on together. Oh, for f***s sake, you guys are f***ing good luck. I'll give it one more quarter. Good luck. Absolutely good luck. Okay, well, I don't like those backup plans, to be very clear. The child care one, maybe. That's the best.

36:39I don't necessarily like that. one of the three plans is childcare and the person that's talking about childcare, the other two plans are prostitution elite and prostitution light. But I guess that's where we are in 2026. I can be hot and sexy and at the same time like... Yes, and how do parents feel about that though? I don't show that side of me when I am doing childcare. Yeah, but they could find out, you tit. Okay. And then however they want to approach it, we can go from there. All right. Let's jump into these finances. I'm capable of having adult conversations. You're an adult, but you're not entitled to money.

37:19No. You're not entitled to a job. You're not entitled to people thinking that you— But I am capable. —taking for money, which, by the way, I don't even know how you do that for money if it's that painful. I don't do that. You did. Oh, well. Yeah, I did. You literally did. Okay, well, I didn't have ovarian cyst at that time. That didn't happen until recently. You know? So, glocky glocky. Glocky glocky. It works. It works, but I'm not advocating for that. I don't necessarily want that to be how to keep a roof over your head. I hate that. That's how, where we've come to. Yeah, I mean, same, but you know.

37:53Same yet, you do it. You gotta do what you gotta do, Caleb. No, that is not it because I literally laid out the alternative. You dumb f***. And I guess I can say this correctly in this context. Whore. you whore used to be used to be but I love it you whore um all right it's just like I gave you the alternative the alternative is obviously accept this job change so you don't get laid off tomorrow and when you accept it get skilled up update your skills again with the certification I give you plus going and applying for other jobs like it's a full time job that's what you do so you don't get laid off and all of a sudden we don't know how to deal with money without grandmother okay That is the alternative That's the adult response without going into prostitution I think it's too late I don't think that if I went back to him Wait when was this offer?

38:46It was last week today Oh you're such a child 28 What is wrong with you? What is wrong with you? It's not like I spend that much on gas You're a baby Sure so then extra wise Grandma paying for it Baby What the f*** is wrong with you? A lot. I mean, we could go there if you... Yeah, no shit. What do you think your financial score is? Zero to ten. Zero being the worst. Ten being the best. Okay, so I took the score before I applied. Proud of you. Calebhammer.com. Mm-hmm. And it was a 2.17. Which rounds two or three. It rounds two or three? Yeah, and like the overall score. Yeah. Oh, okay. I think I'm going to give myself just a two, though.

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40:00And if you like it, stick around and you can sign up for the annual version like most people do to save a lot of money. And then for about only a month left only, I will personally sign my budget-friendly cookbook and mail it directly to you. That is gone at the end of February. They. Huh? You said she. It's they. Whore. Okay, so. Potato, potato. I'm a whore. Absolutely. Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with it. We love whores. Yes. Big fan of whores. Yes. Including me being one. Very supportive. We love it. Okay, what's this first thing? What am I looking at? That is my Klarna. Of course it is.

40:37What the f*** is going on with this? It's a great question. Well, Bliss Aesthetics for$1 ,000. So. What the f*** are you doing? That is actually my deposit for my boob job. So it's already happening.

40:58so technically like if you take that portion off it's only 8 500 because that's already been paid again they don't seem that bad i mean like i could i could show you like do you want to see them i could do a tit audit do you consent yeah yeah okay i'll look at a picture i'll look at a picture but not here in the studio. We don't want them out in the studio. Okay. Deal. I legit would not do it. Don't do it. Why? I just want them to... Because it's very expensive and they're very nice. I just want them to... I feel like... I don't know. It's a feeling thing? I want them to feel nice when I grab them.

41:41No, but you just strictly can't afford this and that's not a medical necessity. You didn't have boob cancer, correct? No. Okay. And that's like... This is purely cosmetic. Yeah. And I want you to be able to do more cosmetic things in the future if you want to. But right now, we're literally worried about keeping a roof over your head. And yeah, that was a funny idea. All that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, great. I literally already paid my deposit. Yeah, a thousand. You have nine left. Here's the thing. Those just saw them. And I honestly thought I was just going to support it instinctively. But that was, they're actually very nice.

42:16Well, I appreciate that you like them, but. No, no, no. It's not even about that. It is literally math. Like for that, this is pure cosmetic. And I know it's just for you. It's not for others. And I can respect that and support that. You do not need this right now. There's not like something wrong there. That deposit only lasts for eight months. So that means like in the future, whenever I like, if I have to, if I have to wait to do it, I lose that deposit and then I have to pay it all over again. You're spending thousands more than you make on a monthly basis. How much debt do you have? What's your debt number?

42:49I think it's like 80. $74 ,423.83. That doesn't mean it's good though. Okay. You could have said 100. That doesn't mean 73 is good. Listen, if you are going and dropping an extra nine that you do not have, which means there's going to be more debt, you're rounding this up to now 85. We're getting closer and closer to six figures of debt with nothing to show for it. No. Yes. No. Yes. Because. What do you mean? What do you mean no? I'm going to use one of my credit cards. I'm going to pay down. How? How when? You spend more than you make. How? Hey, if you get laid off, how? If you get laid off, how?

43:30I have money that is going to be coming in from my last house that I rented. What? So I like rented this place and it was kind of like a rent to own situation where like $50 of your rent every month goes into like the savings bank. And then at the end of your lease, you like get that back. Never even heard of that. I've heard of rent to own, but I've never even heard of whatever. That's not rent to own. That's like rent to save. No, no, no. Yeah. Well, the thing is at the end of your lease, that money that you have in savings could go directly to your like, yeah, your down payment on the house.

44:10Okay. Okay, so how much? Like$4 ,500. I mean,$4 ,500 is a lot of money to anyone, to be clear. But one, that pays for half of what you still owe on something you can't afford. Two,$4 ,500 to your debt still only brings down your bad debt to$50 ,000. So this math is not working. If you were about to say$50 ,000, I'd be like, oh, shit, we got something to play with here. Yeah, no, not that much. And trust me, there's a lot to play with there. I learned. But the fact is, it doesn't make any mathematical sense. But it makes like... It makes want sense. This is essentially going and getting some McDonald's fries of the tit world.

44:50You don't need this. This isn't getting your boobs done after you had to have surgery to get cancer removed. This isn't... They are so saggy that your little entire body is collapsing. But they are saggy. Kind of. Okay, thank you. You agree. But kind of. I mean, I'm just, I'm agreeing just because you're saying it. If that was, if in a different world we were doing stuff and all of a sudden I just came across those, saggy is not the word I would have thought of in any way whatsoever. That's kind of stupid. I'll be honest. But what's not is actually getting a checking account that gives you free money.

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46:06that is bad tracking. And it's exactly why I use DollarWise. It shows you exactly where your money's going every single month. Spending, subscriptions, and savings all in one simple dashboard. Everything you need and nothing you don't. And when you download DollarWise today, you'll get six to try it for free, plus three months for just$9.99. So you can finally take control and see what your money's been doing behind your back, click below to get started. Well... They're just substantial and gravity exists. Yeah. But I feel them every day. Oh, yeah, they're huge. Yeah. Are you getting reduction?

46:42No. See, like, isn't gravity just going to— Lindsay, can you educate me? Is gravity not just going to work its magic again in a few years? I mean, but you're getting a lift and then an implant. Uh-huh. A lift and an implant. Just a tiny little implant to, like, round it out so they look— So the lift— The lift will— Yeah. And then the implant will— How— Hold? I don't know if you're not a plastic surgeon, but I understand. Well, they do this like mesh bra too. That was an option, but it was like an extra like$2 ,000. So I did not plan for that. But they do this like internal mesh bra where it's like.

47:16You're not even trying to get back into OF. I know it's just for you. I'm trying to respect that. It just doesn't make sense. You can do this in a year. You can do this when you pay off debt and have an emergency fund. This is not an emergency. It's not. It's not. Your aesthetic, listen. Sorry, your down payment on the aesthetics thing is literally done on Klarna. Yeah. Klarna! I did. You didn't even pay for it. You put it on Klarna. I did not use. Pull up your Klarna for me. I guess you're supposed to go to Florida for the boob job. Yeah. We're doing a family vacation. Oh, you're doing, yeah, in January.

47:52Yeah. Your boyfriend's family freaked out and wasn't comfortable with it. Yeah. So I canceled it. and then I don't know necessarily if I'm going on the family vacation anymore because now I kind of feel uncomfortable. What part did they not support? So his dad was just basically saying that he didn't feel comfortable about the fact that I was recovering like the last few days of our vacation. Well, yeah, they kind of fucked up the vacation for everyone, is it not? I had the first five full days with them. Yeah, but you're fucking up the ending of the vacation. I don't think that's unfair. I don't have to be involved in everything.

48:28Yeah, but your boyfriend's going to want to say support. They're going to feel bad. Come on. It puts a weird dynamic on the vacation. He didn't like the fact that I was flying after, like, immediately after. Okay. Which, like, is fine, but I'm like, okay, well. But the thing is, I scheduled the surgery around that. When your boyfriend comes into the post show, how is he going to feel that I've seen your titties? That's a great question, Caleb. I hope we fight.

48:59Okay. So Bliss Aesthetics,$1 ,000, Sheen USA, Sheen USA. Okay. Wayfair, Victoria's Secret. Okay. Now I understand. Let me justify. The Sheen was, I went to the My Chemical Romance concert in Chicago, and I had a very specific outfit ID on mind. And so I ordered it from there. and then anything that like I didn't like or didn't work, I did mail back. So I did return it. Okay. Yeah, I mean, the Victoria's Secret, so your refund, but even still. Yeah, I refunded that. Okay, so on Klarna, what is this? What is this owed? I'm going to say it's like 1 ,500. Okay. And your monthly is probably like 250.

49:38Yeah. Oh my gosh. You know, Klarna has like the worst interest rates there are. I don't use the interest portion. I hope not unless you get laid off and you can't make a payment, you dumb. No, I'll always find a way to make a payment. Gosh, we got to bring the word whore back. What a good word. I love it. It is a good word. Yeah. Yeah. What are you getting on Wayfair? Wayfair. I needed a nightstand. We had to like emergency move into our new house because our house got broken into for the second time. So why'd you need a nightstand right there? Because I didn't have one. So? So I needed one. No.

50:10Yeah. No. Wayfair is great as like a platform in products. You did not need a nightstand. I needed one nightstand. Caleb. No. Also, Facebook Marketplace, I guarantee you could get one for free. Yeah, but the one that I got is like— And also, if you were moving to a new house, did you not already have a nightstand? No. Well, then why'd you need a nightstand? Because I didn't have one. At your old place. You didn't. So you didn't need one. Yes, I did. Because you were surviving without one. I used this like old-ass coffee table. Good. Use that again. Use it again. Well done. You did it. And I trashed it because it didn't—it doesn't work.

50:46It didn't match the vibe. I needed— What are you doing to your tables? It was old. That thing was from like, that thing was like 10 years ago and it was from Wayfair. And this was like whenever I was an alcoholic. And so, so much had gotten spilled. What? Yeah. New lore drop. Yeah, I went to rehab and I've been sober for over three years. Congratulations. That's good. That's a big part of why my debt built up is because I was a raging alcoholic for 10 years. Yeah, but that's not why it hasn't been paid off in three years though. So, I can have sympathy for the star, but. Well, because I'm still paying for rehab.

51:19What? Rehab was financed? Well, no, no, no, no. My insurance didn't cover everything, though. How much do you owe to rehab? So I'm still getting a bill. Well, that's not this next credit card with hundreds in spending. So, no, we'll talk about that in a bit. But U.S. Bank balanced$8 ,462.53. That is not rehabbed three years ago. Your literal advances of$500 and your purchases of$373.20 are not rehabbed. Hey, how long does this take to pay off minimum payments only without doing any purchases? of which you are incapable of, by the way. I think it was 14 years. Yeah, it takes 14 years. $276 is your minimum monthly payment.

51:57Which when you get laid off, good the fuck. Because it sounds like you said you can't backtrack. So it sounds like you're not going to have it. When are they implementing this AI thing? He said that he was hoping to have it in place by the end of January. So that means tomorrow, whenever I get home, I'm putting in a bunch of job applications. Yeah, but that's just a start. You got to curate your resume to all of them. It's not just mass applying. You got to be hyper smart, and this is not a good job market. Like you said, you need to set yourself up for success. Mm-hmm. I do have really good references, though.

52:27Okay. I mean, that could be a play if your resume makes it through the AI screening. Like, references is going to be one of the— that's not going to be a make or break for a bit. I don't know. Not a kid trying to get a first job. You're not also trying to do, like, this massive advanced thing. you're at this very very below mid-level interest hundreds charging okay let's see what's going on it's all bullshit first of all monthly carbon offset okay are you that was are you whenever i was in one of my environmental classes in college when was that oh god i think dude you're putting on a credit card that you can't pay off that is accruing interest i think this is like 20 this This isn't just free money.

53:1019 or something. This is the bank's money. So every single month that$5 comes out of my account. I have no clue what website it was. So you were an alcoholic in college taking for money. Yeah. What the f***? Oh, my gosh. Well, doing OF. What a jerk. I worked like 300 jobs at the same time. I don't know how. Well, just tell your credit card not to charge that anymore. Challenge it. Say you're done. You can't cancel it. No, just go plant a tree. And it probably does more than this has ever done. We'll see. How much is this$5 really doing? I don't know. It was like a whole calculator thing where you put in where you live.

53:49And it grades your carbon usage and everything. And then you can select a thing. And then it punishes you? A fee? Like, what the fuck? This seems like a scam. That was optional. Blue host. And I felt bad. Oh, yeah. It's because you're the easy kind to absolutely trick into weird performative activism. And environmental things, yeah. Environmental can be good. What the f*** is this though? This is you're paying a fee. Yeah. That's environmental. Go advocate for environmental things. Go support the products you like. Paying a fee just to feel good? Activism happens in multiple forms, Caleb. There isn't just one right way.

54:22And this one is making someone money. That is, yeah, probably. But. Okay, Bluehost. Yeah. What's that? I started a blog and then I stopped. Yeah, blogs. Very in on 2026. Yeah, you're paying for it. I need to cancel it. I think I did. Maybe I can't. it? Nope. Okay. Nope. Parking? MJ Events Concerts,$110. That was a My Chemical Romance concert. Your concert. I don't give a shit. No. It was My Chem. Dude, you're literally putting $1 ,000 of boobs that don't even need to be moved. And they were free tickets. But they're not because you had to pay for parking and bullshit there and bullshit and bullshit.

54:57You still spent hundreds. Yeah, but I didn't have to pay for the tickets that were like almost$1 ,000. It was like a free gift telling you to go spend more money. Yeah, and I did. Exactly. You just had to put a down payment down on Klarna. No, listen. Yes, actually. When I went to see them for their first reunion tour back in 2022 because they postponed it, I was freshly sober. So I was withdrawing super bad. So I didn't remember the concert. I'm sorry. This time around, I don't give a fuck. I wanted a real experience. You can go see them next time. I don't give a shit. No, because I'm not going to be able to afford tickets.

55:34These were free tickets. You can't afford. No, we can get you to the place where you can afford to. Hey, guess what? Exciting news because I know we're filming this well before it comes out because our backlog is juicy. Thank you, Lindsay and Colton. But we proved that we can. We do an annual report every single time. The average guest who comes on financial audit pays off$22 ,807 of debt within 12 months. The median pays off$12 ,000 of debt in eight months. We can get you there. We can get you there. Proven method. Okay, let's do it. Proven method. Show me. Well, I'm putting you through the Master Your Money program.

56:09Okay. To be very clear, that's our debt class, investing class, real estate class, budgeting class, recession class, job class, all the good classes. We're putting you through that and every future class you can join as well. You get the premium version of the DollarWise budgeting app with the Master Your Money program. Caleb Hammer.com for all that. So that's what they've done. They followed that path and they've done it. So you can do it too. But to say that you have to go spend money you don't have right now when you're financing a down payment on tits. and also it's just so stupid instead of saying you can't do it in the future it's so stupid I mean you literally can I probably will still do it in the future but I needed to do it this time too but you can't afford it that's what's objective it wasn't important no and you're door dashing cha-ching cha-king china king china king for$47.66 the best Chinese food and to be fair any like food charges on there I split with my partner Okay, that's not fair because that's still 25 bucks basically.

57:04F*** you. That is an insane wealth. It was worth it. Klarna. Okay, so she puts things on her debt, Klarna. Then she pays for her Klarna debt with her credit card that accrues at a 28 % interest rate of death. I didn't even know they could do that. F*** you, of course it does. What do you mean? I thought it could only come out of your checking account. Oh, she's a beast. She's a beast. She's a creature. Oh, sorry. The whore is a beast. Oh my gosh. Oh, my goodness. Here's the actual reality. Her finances are... Go ahead, Sam. The horse finances are so... You don't even know this is happening. No.

57:45The finances are so... Again, reminder,$1 ,000 down payment on the titties. Mm-hmm. By the way, I will say once more, they are very nice. Like, everyone would be impressed. They could be nicer. Everyone would be impressed. You don't need that. You don't need that right now. But$1 ,000 down that she can't afford on Klarna, which then she pays with her credit card, while at the same time on her checking account, she is... Oh, this is an impossible game. The pronouns are an impossible game. This human... There you go. That works. ...is literally overdrafting on this person's checking account, and it's being charged via cash advance from this person's credit card of$150.

58:34I immediately pay a pass. Dude, if I can call you, dude, can I not just call you her and she, just for the simplicity of this conversation so I don't have to think about it. Can you like alternate? Huh? Can you like alternate? No, because I don't think when I'm talking about what someone is. Fine, Caleb. We'll play by your rules. Can we just go like sex? Right? Sure. Can we just do sex rules? Sure. Just for the sake of ease of the conversation. Thank you. I appreciate it. I will respect it. I do respect it and I will do it when I think about it. I just have a hard time thinking about it when I'm trying to think about numbers Because the fact is, another number is this person then overdrafted, I gained$350 from the credit card doing cash advance fees.

59:19My car payment came out. Yeah, that happens. Okay. That happens. It's a shock. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Blow my mind. Oh, my car payment that always happens. I had like$900 come out of my checking account at one time. That you signed up for. No, no, no, no, no, no. because my card payment came out, my credit card payment came out, and my electric bill came out all at the same time. Welcome to the consequences of the things you signed up for, you dumb... I wasn't expecting my electric bill to come out, and I forgot that my credit card was on auto pay. You should always have enough money for your bills.

59:50Sure. If you're not spending money on dumbass, dumbass, thousand dollars on tits and then putting it on your credit card, moron, what are we doing? Miscellaneous bullshit alone was literally almost$600, and going out to eat was$200. Like, what are we doing? Cough. Going out to eat. Oh, of course you do. Let me see your inner lip. That's who she is. C-U-N-T. The C is worn off. I need to get it redone, but yeah. Uh-huh. I was told it was your favorite word. Oh, great word. It's a beautiful word. Horror is becoming my new favorite word of the day. Yeah, okay, good. For what it's worth. I'm glad I opened you up to that.

1:00:24Dude, interest 1 ,300 this year so far. The year's not even done. Yeah, I know. The time of filming this. It's great. It's crazy. and then fees, fees, fees, cash advance, cash advance, cash advance, cash advance. I'm trying to be better. No, it's the lady part, right? Yeah. Confusing. Just confusing. It's confusing. Okay. To want to be called a guy but have cunt tattooed on you. You could call me an asshole. I mean. Oh, you're not an asshole. They're all. No, you are, but. I am. I am. You're not. You're a whore. I mean, I'd rather be a whore than an asshole. I'm both. Yeah. At least you admit it.

1:01:11I just don't whore out my asshole. That's the first step, Caleb, is admitting it. I know I'm an asshole in this context. For sure. I don't give a fuck. U.S. Bank. Yeah. Again. Yeah. U.S. Bank 2, I guess. Yeah, okay. So this one. $999.06 with a minimum payment of 63. Oh, good. purchased$190.52 on a card that is agreeing$22.60 an interest that takes two years to pay off that we can't pay off in one because we're also overdrafting like a dumbass. What are we doing? What are we doing? Why are you purchasing on this card? Do you f*** what? This was originally opened because I was going to do a balance transfer.

1:01:49How'd that work? Because it's a 0 % interest. Without changing our behavior first. You want to know why? Whoa. No, you want to know why? I didn't know. Because you didn't change your behavior first? I didn't know that you can't do a balance transfer if you're opening a car that's in the same like financial institution as the one you're trying to transfer over. I didn't know that that was the thing that you couldn't do that. Why weren't you looking things up or talking to anyone? I. This day and age where every resource is at our fingertips. I was going through it all by my own. Like I could have asked my grandma.

1:02:17My grandma could have probably told me that. When was this? This was like right before I got my car. When was that? Two years ago. Okay, then you had a boyfriend. Shut the fuck up. I'm the one that got His credit score up. How? This is a mess. See, the thing is, like, I know how to do finances. Rules for thee, not for me? It's just, like, I don't do it. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's immature. Do as I say, not as I do. Well, I'm working on it. No. That's what everyone says. Where's the working on it? You spent more than you made last month. Your debt's only going up. You're literally doing, again,$9 ,000 right there.

1:02:52You already put one down. You paid that minimum payment on your credit card while overdrafting from your checking accounts because you can't manage bills to save your life. Working on it? Where's the working out? How is it working out? How are you working at it? I don't even know what's on this card. Huh? I don't even know what's on this card. I'll tell you. Some kind of Microsoft subscription going in and getting some bullshit. That's my wonder. Vaping. She vapes. I do. Well, now, any sense of like. If you did have any attractiveness to anyone, it's out the door now. You nasty. What's wrong with you?

1:03:19You're vaping. You're killing yourself. What are you doing? Listen. I was an alcoholic for 10 years. That's not good. So. So let's also kill ourselves in another way. Let me keep this. Well, no. Let me have the, this is the one thing that I have, Kayla. Why don't you just be not that? It's so hard to quit. It is. No, but objectively, you did a harder addiction to quit though. However, I will say. So you already proved to yourself you can. You will like this. When I do get my boob job, I have to quit vaping. Then just do it now. I can't. I tried. Well, then how will you be able to do it then? So I actually was.

1:03:51I was quitting. And then. Okay, but how will you be able to do it then? about the boob job not happening at, you know, next month or whatever. Oh, no, the most stressful thing in our lives. I can't make my tits do this. I went right back to it. Great. So how are you going to quit then? Willpower and... Okay, so it's not. Great. So you're going to f*** up everything, just like you already have. They have those little, like, detox pill things. I have them. Then do that now. No, no, no, because I'm not quitting right now. But you should. Like, yeah, but I'm not... For your life, for your budget, for your health, for making sure you're quitting before then anyway.

1:04:24It's like an oral fixation. Like I have switched to like the zero nicotine thing. Oral fixate on your boyfriend. Trust me. I think he wants it since he's not getting anything else. Easy. Get yourself a stim toy, dude. Yeah. I probably could use one. We've had weird creature women on you on the show, like you on the show that have those. I probably could use one. Yeah. Aw. Mm-hmm. Okay. And then Apple bill, Apple bill. Yeah. Interest charging like crazy. I moved all of my late. Fees. You've had a late fee this year. Bullshit. Well, nope. You've had a late fee this year. Oh, shit. How? Let me do this again.

1:04:56You've had a late fee. Not paying on time. Everything is on auto pay. Okay, doesn't matter. Just like your electricity bill was on auto pay, you didn't have enough money. If you do not have enough money in your account when this auto pay hits, especially since, I don't know, but it's been this year, 2025.

1:05:12Open your phone. Then interest in auto pay. Listen, I'll let you use the Fizz card. I've had a late payment fee one time. Well, one time this year on that card. That's crazy. All that you use is the Fiz card, debit card. That builds credit. A lot of people in the audience use it who have a hard time changing their behavior. At least it's a tool you can use. No, that's not what we're looking at. Just give me your phone. That's not what you're looking at. Oh, okay. I was going to. Now I'm mad. Should be. You're a fuck. Okay, those Apple bills. Let's see. Okay, we got Apple Music. Yeah, have to. Duolingo.

1:05:47What are you learning? Spanish. Why? You're in St. Louis. Well, I mean, because I feel like it's still important. I feel like. Why? Spanish is the big. You're in St. Louis. I know, but I'm not going to stay in St. Louis. If anything, just learn Jive. iCloud Plus. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's fine. Wise? Make your homes. Those are my, that's my security cameras for the house. Oh, well, that one's okay. Duolingo, I don't know if you 100 % need right now. I like Duolingo. I just don't know if you need it right now. It was accidental. because I did like the free thing. And then Sleep Cycle and Pit Collage.

1:06:22Pit Collage? What is this? It's like iPhone 3. I canceled that. And then we've had Duolingo. We've had Crunchyroll. That one just expired. Google Photos we had. Oh, don't have it now. I know I canceled it. I'm not paying for any like, sorry, like streaming services anymore. Talk about what? I hit the microphone. I was apologizing to it. It's okay. Okay, I have a, oh, Kia. Kia Sportage Hybrid. Yes, my baby. Her name is Spock. I'm just surprised you're even with a guy. Can we get Erin in here? Are you going to lesbian score me? Of course I am. Okay. Yay. Welcome, Erin. Please come in. Our resident lesbian expert, please come in.

1:07:07We need a lesbian financial score or a lesbian score to see if she is lesbian or not. This is not going to take long. Okay. What kind of car do you drive? A Kia Sportage Hybrid. She's beautiful. How many pets do you own? Two. What are your pronouns? They, them. And preferred. And I prefer like male terms, like dude, bro, guy. Interesting. Man, yeah. Like 11. Lesbian financial score, 11 out of 10. She has a boyfriend in the other room. Yeah, that's what I said. If you want your lesbian score, see where you stand in the world of lesbianism. If you need to be more lesbian or less lesbian, go to CalebHammer.com forward slash lesbian take the assessment it's free it takes a few minutes it's a win-win you get money and I get money these are called affiliates and you get that sweet sweet cash for signing up for some amazing products the first one is Chime this is a checking account that I personally use and you get up to a$350 bonus with a new Chime checking account and earn up to 3.5 % APY on your savings and second my investing app of choice these days is weeble and get a 2 % match on all of your money that you transfer over.

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1:08:53They just like gravitate towards me and then occasionally I like let them stay. Okay. But I do let Bibi know money. He's my favorite. I think he likes the show if I'm not mistaken. Hi. I've texted him a few times. We've texted about him coming on the show a few times. Him and Young Gravy. Yes. They're so fun. That was like a year ago. I've been like watching their stuff recently. Okay, so on this Kia, you owe$29 ,332.24. Yeah. Okay. Well, you met him in rehab. Isn't that like the opposite of what you're supposed to do? Oh, absolutely. Isn't that like super bad? You're not supposed to be for like a whole year, right?

1:09:29Yeah, we met in rehab. And then after about, I want to say maybe like three weeks of hanging out, we like went official. And then like two weeks after that, I made him move in. Okay, what do you think this car's worth? And that's crazy. I'm surprised it's worth. Was he alcoholic too? Yes. So at least you guys can hold each other accountable now, but that was a risky situation you put in. Neither of us, like, we don't really, we don't have cravings. We don't really, like, think about drinking or anything. Good, but there's a lot of life left. No, 100%. Yeah, they say, like, don't even think about getting into a relationship until you're, like, a year in.

1:09:58I think I was eight months and he was six. What do you think the car's worth? I think whenever I checked, it was 24. Well, Edmonds has an appraisal report, and Edmonds is the best, the most accurate value on the internet, much better than KBB and those other ones. So Edmund says$22 ,048. Oh, wow. That was the last one I thought. So you're dramatically underwater on a 10 % interest rate of death. Yeah, I know. It's like, f*** you. You're losing to the market in every way whatsoever. I actually had to order my car because it was in such high demand that they didn't have it. Payment's so high demand.

1:10:30Payment's so low that this is going to take forever to pay off. $281.31. What is this, like a 10-year term? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. My monthly payment is like$640 something. but I'm like, I'm super, super, super ahead of paying it. No, you're not ahead. You pay it by a little bit throughout the month. No, no, no. I pay, I make two payments a month. Every two weeks I make a payment. But because of the payments that I make, it's like, I don't, like right now, I don't owe a payment for like a month. The fuck are you doing? You can't, you just overdrafted. Why are you paying ahead on a car?

1:11:07That is the most fuck I've ever heard. Because it's one of those, it's on autopay. No, it's stupid. I just leave it. Well, stop. Just auto pay minimum. What's the minimum? I checked it. What's the minimum? What's the minimum? Like$640? Okay,$640. That's the minimum. But I pay$650. No, you're only doing minimum. You got credit cards that are accruing at like 28%. Fine. That's your overdraft and a cash advancing fund. This is so stupid. Fine. What is this? Any reason, any season ID? Yeah, so I did a debt consolidation. Cash advance. Which always works when we don't change our behavior. Go ahead.

1:11:38What? Tell me. I had like five, I think it was like four or five credit cards that were all like super bad. So the reason that it got so bad was because I had a Jeep Compass and it like shit out on me like right before my 26th birthday. It was in the shop three times within the span of two weeks. I spent over$7 ,000 on it. So I needed a new car. Oh my gosh. And that was the car that I wanted. So it's not a consolidation reason. I maxed out my Firestone. The rest of it ended up going on my credit card. It wasn't a tool that you were trying to use to actually, like, get – taking care of your shit, though.

1:12:11Your emergency in a situation that you're trying to find a way through. Yeah, it was. But it helped because it, like, cut all of my, like, monthly credit card payments in half. Yeah, at a 13 % interest rate. You're making them a shit ton of money for sure. Okay, but my car, like, me putting$7 ,000 into a 2015 Jeep Compass was not worth it. And so I, like – it was just time to let her go. And then that was the one that I wanted. I may have agreed with that. You just weren't in the right place to do it. Because again, you're locked in at a 13 % interest rate. So this is where we ended up. Well, your minimum payment is what?

1:12:43See, the thing is, I don't actually know what my minimum monthly payment is. I think it's like$3.30, but I pay$4.50. Well, stop. That makes no sense. I don't. But the thing, I don't know what my actual minimum monthly payment is. Go on there and figure it out. It doesn't say. No, you go on there and you just set up auto pay for minimum. What is wrong with you? Make a phone call. What is wrong with you? But I like to pay every two weeks. Because if I only do it like. Well, stop. Stop. That doesn't make any sense. Go through our budgeting class, please. Okay. And use the DollarWise app, please. You are so f***ed.

1:13:11If you are doing this weird budgeting technique that no one advises because you can't manage it, it's not working. You are overdrafting via your credit cards. If it was working, you wouldn't be doing that. So why follow something that is continually moving to not work? It's habit. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Why? So stupid. I don't get it. Convenience. Convenience. Overdrafting is convenient? Well, no, no, no, but like having it set up the way that it is. And it's like I know every month like Wednesday. Wait, so the boob job has to be in Florida? So, okay. So you have to get there? They gave me two options.

1:13:47There is one in Chicago. There's a surgeon in Chicago that they suggested. It's like a four-hour drive or something. But he's like$3 ,000,$2 ,000 or$3 ,000 more. So that was the thing. So no matter what, we have to spend more because you have to get to Florida. Yeah. Or spend a few thousand more in Chicago. I think it would have been perfect for me to do it at the end of the family vacation because we were already going. We were already going to be there. You're working with a concierge plastic surgery company that you found on Google? That's what Bliss is. What does that even mean? So they, like, partner you up with reputable surgeons that are, like, that have, like, specific certifications and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

1:14:24And then they give you, like, suggestions based off of, like, what exactly you're looking for. so because I was looking more towards like breast lift with like a slight augmentation those were the two doctors that they suggested me for because that's kind of like where they do their thing. Okay. Sounds like the biggest waste of money ever. It makes so much more sense versus like going online. Spending thousands we don't have regardless does not make sense. And then trying to find a plastic surgeon. No, just getting this makes no sense is what I'm saying. But it. Right now, dude. $562.61 owed on the synchrony care is this care credit?

1:15:06Care credit. Yeah. Okay. Of which is$30 a month paying off 19 months. Usually it's a deferred interest. Oh baby there is a 33 % and that's owed in a couple months. Oh no. A year and a couple months. Yeah. So I am already planning on getting that paid off. It's like I've already I've scheduled all my payments so that it'll be paid off before the interest hits. But I originally opened that up. What is your required minimum monthly payment in order to pay it off in time? Oh, God, I don't know. I mean, I can do the math. I think it's like 110. No, that doesn't make any sense. How's a 110? When is it?

1:15:45Wait, when's the interest free over? It's going to be about, I would do 38 hours to be safe. 38? Yeah. Oh, well, shit. Then I need to go through and cancel my. Yeah, see, you're broken. You're stupid. You don't know what you're doing. You're just doing things without looking. I thought that I only had like a six-month 0 % interest. March 2027. Shit, really? Yes. Wow. But if it's accruing at a 33 % interest rate, it's going to be hundreds ahead if you don't pay it off. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be paid. Well, I hope so. Are you incorporating in your plan your job getting laid off, which he pretty much told you was going to happen?

1:16:19No. Exactly. That's why you doing this, adding any kind of risk, doing this right now when you do not need to is moronic because you have an actual ticking time bomb in many ways coming at you. And the biggest one being a layoff. Caleb, I'm not trying. You cannot say trying. Shut the fuck up. I've been applying. I've got a job application for an autism behavior specialist. Why would they trust you? Because I work with kids with autism. But you're not licensed in that, are you? No, no, no, no. But they, it's not, I am not like the official physician or anything. I'm there for like care and advocacy.

1:16:59Oh, you're just going to be one of those enablement people though. I can already tell. Absolutely not. I do not let those kids get away with shit. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Fire stun. So this was for the. I don't use that. Okay, well, you have a balance. No, I added the boyfriend on as an authorized user, and so I let him use it for real changes and stuff. Well, yeah, but I don't use it. Does it matter? It's under your credit. Yeah, I know that. And you said he's worse with finances than you, and you're already pretty spectacularly bad. He was worse. So is he making the minimum of the payments? He just doesn't have any credit.

1:17:32Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's what's required right now. It's set on auto pay for him to pay it. Pay what? I don't remember the balance, but I think it's set so that it pays. The minimum or the whole thing? No, minimum is 29. Not quite the minimum. It's a little over the minimum. Okay. So minimum is 29. This is Firestone. Yeah. But that's not a me payment. Okay. Yeah, I'll put it in parentheses. But that's if he, what does he do for work? He does sales for. Well, sales is very up and down. So what if he can't? It's like lawn care and they do like holiday decor stuff. Your biggest fight. He started making a lot of money.

1:18:07Your biggest fight is that he didn't pay. Yeah, he just started the shop. That he didn't pay. Well, sales, by the way, can take months before it comes up. But also, it was literally like just a few weeks ago, you guys had a massive blow up and you almost left him because he did not pay bills on time. So don't put this payment in my column. Fuck you. What do you mean? This just happened. Well, you try to live way too positive for something that we just need to be objective on. That is so funny for you to say. Nobody ever says that about me. But you are about your finances. You are putting your head in the sand.

1:18:36Because I know it's going to be okay. Like this layoff you're not thinking about. Except this is how this works. People lose their houses every day. People go through bankruptcy every day. This is not how it works. People go hungry every day. Yeah. My grandma actually used to get mad at me because like when I was in college, I would, no, I would just like not eat and I would just pay my bills. And she was like, you need to eat. And I was like, yeah, but I have to pay bills first. And she hated that about me. Promo balance of 34%. Oh, oh. When does that end? I don't actually look at these things.

1:19:06I just sent them your way. Two days ago. Uh-oh, babe. You didn't give a f***. That's not me. The balance was small, which added, it's on your credit, you dumb f***. I know. What is wrong with you? But I don't pay any attention to it because, like, that's not me. But it's on your credit. It's so stupid. You owe this if he does not pay. Yeah. Or you're f***ed. Yeah. So what are you talking about? I swear, you're being so stupid for no reason. I'm so sorry. Oh, f***ing student loans. For what degree in women's studies did you get? I got a BS in business management. Okay. Didn't see that one coming.

1:19:44Why? Because I have yellow hair? Yes. Correct. I actually was going to go into, I started with microbiology, and then I f***ing hated it. Oh, yeah. So I switched. You betcha. Yeah. You betcha. That's a lovely stack of. Student loans. Yeah. So you graduated. Yeah. June last year. K student. Oh, June last year. So are your payments started? So I did set up my like payments. It's on the like pay as you earn or whatever type. That's not great. That ramps hard. No, my payment's$0. So I just don't pay anything. No, it ramps hard. Okay, well, right now I don't have to pay anything. No shit. Oh my gosh.

1:20:27You are not smart. I don't understand how it works. I mean, I didn't ask questions. The moment you file tax return, it shows you start making money. I didn't ask questions about how. You never do. You never advocate for yourself in any way whatsoever. I'm taking accountability. I didn't ask any questions about it. I just kind of like did it. And I was like, okay, well, hopefully this is right. Uh-huh. So what's bad about that? Bad about that? The moment your tax return shows you start making some more money, they're going to ramp those payments up. I already set it up for the amount of money that I make.

1:20:57Are you going to make more at some point? I mean, yeah. What money do you say you make? Just your salary, not your extra 33 % income? There it is. There's that smile. Oh, we all saw that. Shut the fuck up. Do you even pay taxes on those? No. Well, IRS, here they is. No, I don't. Why would I? Because it's money you made. No, because my tax money doesn't go towards anything that I actually support. Go. So why would I pay? The tax bracket you're in contributes less than like 1 % to the overall taxes. Okay, but that's still. So you should still contribute because you're more of a taker than a giver.

1:21:30How? Well, because you probably get a tax refund. No. Yes. I did. I have in the past, but not anymore. The payment for your student loans are at a$0 payment. Yeah. You're going to take advantage of social things throughout your life, social programs. Absolutely. Look at you. I mean, I have. Exactly. I grew up in poverty. So you're taking more than a giver. Well. And now you're not willing to contribute back now that you're making money. What's wrong with you? Not if the money's not actually going towards those things. I'm forced to write checks for millions of dollars a year. You say it doesn't?

1:22:00What do you mean? Social spending is by far the largest. They've cut funding. Social spending is by far the largest percentages of spending in this country. Well, yeah. No. No. Are you actually stupid? No. Is this what your degree in? Well, actually, no, you got a real degree. So I'm confused how you're. I got a real degree. I'm actually confused how you are a moron. That doesn't make any sense. No, because like they're trying to cut spending on all of the actual like social services and stuff that our government offers, especially in the state of Missouri. That's because we spend 20 % more than we bring in, and that's our largest category of spending.

1:22:43What are you on? What are you looking at? I'm telling you the percentages. Okay, well, you can tell me the percentages, but I'm from Missouri, so that's the show me state. So you have to show me what you're talking about. I can show you the percentages. Okay. So Social Security, 23%. Medicare, some of the stuff you're talking about, 14%. Medicaid and other health things like you're talking about, 12 % to 13%. Net interest on debt, why they want to cut spending because their debt keeps going up. Net interest on debt alone is 14 % of our spending. Discretionary spending, national defense, below that at 13%.

1:23:17Non-defense program, discretionary, 8 % to 9%. When was this for a board gun? 2025, this year. Mandatory spending, unemployment, SNAP, Social Security assistance, 7%. No shit they're trying to cut the largest spending by far. Are you surprised? Are you kidding me? We've seen people abuse it on this show. You're not even paying your taxes. No shit they're going to cut. I do pay my taxes. Just not that part. Not 33 %? Yeah. Just not that part. What is wrong with you? I only— That's only during the school year, so it's only nine months out of the year, so it's not like as much as— What is wrong with you?

1:23:53A lot. $452 in your checking account. Oh, it's all bullshit. Oh, no. Sorry. Do you give a shit? I do. I just, like, see, I do budget. No, you don't. You spend more than you make. Every week on Sunday, I go through my, like, checking account, and I write down, I forgot to bring my planner because I'm an idiot. You didn't even pay your taxes two years ago, and Grandma had to bail you out. I did pay my taxes. I didn't file them because I was having, like, a major mental health crisis, and so it didn't happen. Every five seconds of your life, apparently. Like, are you going to make it? I was unmedicated for the majority of my life until like four years ago almost.

1:24:33Okay. Well, this was. So, yeah. Until four years ago. This was a couple years ago. This was two years ago. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. This was before I got sober. No, you said medicated four years ago. Sober. You've been sober for four years. No, since 2020. Since August 14th, 2022. Yes. This was before then. That's what I'm saying. Or after then. No, it wasn't. I didn't pay. The date according to you from the interview. It was 2021 taxes. Ah, paid in 2022. Yes. Okay. Listen. Pest smart potential, but it's probably bullshit. $2.26. No, those are my crickets. Karnasheen. Those are my crickets.

1:25:09For what? I have geckos. Sheen. DoorDash. Which one? From Hulu. I don't pay Hulu anymore. Good Time Smoke. Yeah. Lake Recovery. There it is. $150. So$150 for how long? So this is a debt. January is my last month of paying it. Okay, then I'm not going to put it down. Well, actually, that is something we have to... No, it's this next one, so I'm not going to put it down. Yeah. We just got to keep it in the back of our head. Amazon, Amazon, Petco again, hot topic. Surprise, surprise, pull up your Amazon. DoorDash, Snookix, Amazon, Amazon. Snooks, that's groceries. For$7.81? Yes. Okay. Cryomion, Instant Ink, Hilton, traveling, f*** you.

1:25:54Scooters Coffee, Portillo's. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was when we were in Chicago. McDonald's, Exotic Vapors. We were in Chicago. Levy, Pest Smart again, Crickets. No, more that time. Kindle, Klarna. Go to the library. You'll f***. McDonald's, Totally T, Panda Express, Amazon, Zoomies, Schnuckix. Schnucks. Schnucks. Pull up your Amazon. You're f***. I did. Give. Here. You got one thing in your cart. Let's see. What do we got? A picture frame. 11 by 14.

1:26:26Okay, well, this is coming out after Christmas, and I won't tell you. Socks, screen protector, fit sink spray attachment, winter hat gloves. Those are okay. Thermal shirts. It's freezing right now. Maxi feminine pads. Those are for my mom. That's, oh, okay, I was going to say. I ordered them for her because she doesn't have an Amazon. Because we know you don't got one. I don't. I don't have what? You're moving away from Vagina Land. No, I'm keeping my vagina. You are? I just wish I didn't have a uterus because my— Get ready to move. I—my gynecologist doesn't want to do that because of the hormone replacement because I'd have to be on estrogen for the rest of my life.

1:27:02And we know you don't want that. No. Okay. Drying lotion. That's an odd kind of lotion to get. What is it? Oh, that's for my pimples. Sheer tights. Brightening clearing stuff. Wispy lash clusters. More lash bonds. Boom nutrition. Superfood greens. Yeah, I love that. Nose rings, great. Those are for him. Do I see a nose ring? Huh? Is he gay? No, unfortunately. Is he bi? No, unfortunately. Really? Yeah. Doesn't make sense. I call him straight adjacent, though, because I'm non-binary, so he can't be, like, straight. Yeah, we know you got issues. Palo-lateric things. Okay, there's a lot of bullshit in here, a lot of things you don't need, and then some things that are okay.

1:27:44Like, all this shit's on our curtains for days. We have to. Comforter sets and lots of screen protectors and eyeglass canners. That's because he keeps raking. Like, you don't really need it. That's not me. Breaking his what? His screen protectors. What's wrong with him? I don't know. He drops his phone all the time. All right, let's budget. Okay. Oh, I don't even think you saw my savings account. Where is it? Well, it's gone now, but... Okay. Well, what the... I used it to that lovely credit card that's at, like,$8 ,000. I put it towards that. Okay, well, I wouldn't do that until you changed your behavior.

1:28:18Because I wanted my boob job, so I was going to pay that off so that I can put my boobs on there. No, there's actually more than that. $2 ,000 dropped on a PC just to play Sims. We'll talk more about that in the post show. Hold it. Okay. Because we're about to go into that. But okay, I'm going to say$4 ,000 is your income. Let's get your minimum fee payments. I'll set it at$150 you owe for the rehab because that's about to leave in a month. Just keep it in the back of your head. And taking away his$29 payments, student loans are zero for now. They'll ramp up. Actually, approach your taxes. We'll see minimum fee payments in which you need required to pay off the care card before that accrues.

1:28:51$1 ,580. Okay, your portion of rent, how much? $725. Utilities including internet? Roughly$200. Gas, vroom, vroom, drive, drive? Zero. Oh, because grandma. Car insurance? $170. Phone bill? $73. That's pretty good. If you want to get it lower and T-Mobile's getting your area, I would do helium. I have the upgrade anytime you want plans, so I get the new iPhone every year. Okay,$300 to the groceries. That's what you can contribute. use the meal plan use the cookbook you get it all TP fun anything else you need to survive 150 you need a little extra help so okay medical health care co-pays on a monthly basis medications all that good stuff medicines are 80 my psychiatrist is 75 per session or per month per month and I would toss on another 75 just because I'm seeing an ENT right now about getting a septoplasty for my septum yeah you got a small nose yeah Yeah, I've got very narrow.

1:29:51$230 for medical. Do you have a gym? $17. Okay. What pets do you have? I have two dogs. Yes, they have pet insurance. How much? It averages about— What's your pet insurance across the board? $80 because we split it. Okay. $80. Subscriptions, I'll try to put in about$40. Anything else that you— Oh, I actually don't have—I can't sell all my subscriptions except for my— Neither, and I see them. Except for my music and my cloud. Exactly. So there you go. Okay. Whatever. Anything else that needs to be in the budget that I have not taken into account? Dog food. Yes. How much for pet food? I would toss in another, I would just say like$250 for pets altogether.

1:30:37Whoa. Like foodie pet insurance? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'll cross out. It's easier for me to like calculate it that way. Well, but that's not how you're supposed to do it. Well, for the sake of getting this thing wrapped up. And I think that's it. Okay. Yeah, so$3 ,735. If you make 4 ,000 hours a month, which, by the way, you made less than that this last month. No, you made 11 hours more across both your jobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Without setting aside money for taxes, you made$11 more than you needed to survive. And that's not including your$150 that needs to go to the rehab. So, fuck off. And that's why I use my credit card sometimes.

1:31:15$265 is what's needed to survive. Listen, in order to pay off all this debt, or that's what you have left over, in order to pay off the debt,$74 ,423.83 divided by$265, it takes 280 months to pay off or 23 years. So that doesn't make any sense. This is the reality. One, you guys might want to downgrade your living situation the best you can. Next, Louise. Try it. And you just need to get a new job. We need to just get into a better paying job. Even getting to$50 ,000 is a big game changer. So get up to$55 ,000, start moving up to$65 ,000. you know, that you're not going to get that right away.

1:31:47Hopefully, they get you from a place where you are now to 55. So your full-time job is to get a better job so we can funnel all this extra money to pay off the debt because we could probably take care of this debt. Student loans, minimum payments until they're paid off. That's fine. But we could pay off the rest of the debt in a couple of years, get a fully funded emergency fund, and then get your debts. Do not do them now. You're going to lose a thousand. This doesn't make sense now. It's not in the strategy. And again, they're good. They're nice. We like them. They're fine. Okay. I'm sure he does too.

1:32:12Has he ever said anything? No, he actually is very against the idea of me getting a boob job. Listen, you guys will never see them. You have not seen them. Well, I hope they don't see them because I don't want you to start the off again. They probably haven't. But they are actually very nice. I understand why he's saying that. You're just doing it for you. Yeah. Don't. Until you want, until you can, which is in a few years. Okay. But go focus on a better paying job right now. That can be a reward after paying off all your bad debt and getting it in a fully funded emergency fund. I do like rewards.

1:32:38So there you go. Save that. Save that. That's the game plan. Let me give the Hammer Financial Score. Then we're going to go into the post show. We're going to bring the boyfriend in, look at the resume, talk about this $2 ,000 game PC, I guess. I do have that. Yeah, exactly. You probably have it. I think I have it. And we'll figure out. I'm sure there's drama between them. I'll find some text messages. Spending in a budget. You overspent. Zero out of ten. Yeah. No collections. It's not great for your income. The key is certainly underwater. Not the worst of the worst of the worst. Well, actually, you're overdrafting via your credit card.

1:33:07Two out of ten, I'll do, though. Emergency fund. there was nothing in savings. You just drained it. Zero out of 10. Retirement. What was the total? Five? Five thousand? Oh, my investments. Yeah. Yeah. About a two out of 10 for your age. I didn't necessarily count that as retirement. Hammer financial score. Rounded up to one. One out of 10. Oh, damn. Ladies and gentlemen, click that join button. Three premium utilities posted every single day, Monday through Saturday, six days a week now. Upgraded. Best membership number one on YouTube for a reason. It's going to be a great extra 20 minutes. I'll see you there.

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