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Podcast Episode Notes: Bottle Girl Lives in Delusion
Podcast Overview
- Title: Financial Audit
- Host: Caleb Hammer
- Guest: Kiki, a 24-year-old from Houston
- Theme: Personal finance insights and dilemmas faced by individuals, focusing on budgeting and spending habits.
Episode Summary In this episode, Caleb Hammer interviews Kiki, who shares her tumultuous financial journey as a waitress and nightlife worker. Kiki discusses her multiple jobs, spending habits, and the challenges she faces in managing her finances.
Key Points Discussed
Kiki's Background
- Employment: Kiki balances multiple jobs:
- Nightlife waitress (often referred to as a "bottle girl")
- Teaching fitness classes for Houston Independent School District
- Works at a law firm as a supervisor in the litigation unit.
- Income Management: Kiki admits to not tracking her income and spending, leading to financial disarray.
Spending Habits
- Guilty Pleasures: Kiki frequently uses DoorDash, which she identifies as a significant expense.
- Financial Awareness: Acknowledges spending without accountability, stating, "as soon as I get it, it goes away."
- Bills vs. Luxuries: Kiki struggles to prioritize paying bills over discretionary spending (e.g., dining out, ordering takeout).
Financial Insights
- Income Analysis: Caleb discusses Kiki's income from multiple streams and the need to set aside money for taxes, especially from her contract work.
- Tax Implications: Kiki is unaware of the financial responsibilities associated with her diverse job income, including taxes from her contract work.
- Budgeting Shortcomings: Kiki's lack of a structured budget leads to overdrawing accounts and accumulating debt.
Critical Financial Discussions
- Career Decisions: Kiki expresses a desire to leave nightlife work but is conflicted due to its financial benefits. Caleb urges her to focus on more stable income sources.
- Debt Management: Kiki has significant credit card debt and student loans. Caleb emphasizes the importance of paying off high-interest debts before pursuing new business ventures.
- Emergency Fund: Caleb suggests building a 12-month emergency fund to ensure financial stability before starting a business.
Actionable Advice
- Employment Strategy: Caleb advises Kiki to apply for jobs aggressively and focus on using her degree in criminal justice for better opportunities.
- Salary Expectations: Encourages aiming for positions that pay at least $30/hour to create a stable financial base.
- Spending Habits: Kiki is urged to eliminate unnecessary expenses, including subscriptions and frequent takeout, to manage her income better.
Conclusion
- Call for Change: Caleb challenges Kiki to confront her financial reality and take actionable steps toward improving her situation.
- Motivation to Grow: Kiki expresses a desire to change her financial habits and escape the nightlife industry, highlighting the importance of personal accountability in achieving financial goals.
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Key Takeaways
- Kiki's financial struggles illustrate the challenges many young professionals face in managing multiple income streams and spending habits.
- The episode emphasizes the necessity of budgeting, understanding tax implications, and prioritizing debt repayment.
- Caleb's coaching style aims to instill a sense of responsibility and urgency in Kiki, showcasing the critical nature of financial literacy.
Resources Mentioned
- NetSuite: For business management tools.
- Mint Mobile: Affordable cell phone plans.
- SoFi: High-yield checking and savings accounts.
- Moomoo: Stock trading opportunities.
- CourseCareers: Job qualification resources.
Final Thoughts This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of financial education, awareness, and responsibility, especially for those starting their careers or managing multiple income sources.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Long day? Late night? Love putting on your makeup but hate taking it off? There's really no better feeling than coming home, getting comfy, and removing your makeup with Garnier Waterproof Micellar Water. It easily removes even stubborn waterproof mascara. None of that harsh rubbing needed, and you don't even have to rinse afterwards. It leaves skin cleansed, refreshed, and never dry. Head to Amazon to shop Garnier Waterproof Micellar Water now. I'm Kiki. I'm 24. I'm from Houston, and this is Financial Auto. What do you do in Houston for a living? A lot of things. Mainly, I'm a waitress and nightlife, and I'm also working at a law firm and with Houston School, I mean, Independent School District.
0:45Whoa. Wait, what are you doing with Houston Independent School District? I teach cinnamon, like, well, the kids are not interested in that. It's basically like a program. It's called Diet, where they have consultants come in on a 1099 contract and teach various topics like fitness, spinning, yoga. And you run the program? No, you just teach a class. Oh, you're teaching a specific class. What class do you teach? I do sentiment acting. But now I have to turn it into a social media type of thing because the kids are not interested. These are seventh graders, and they just really want to go outside.
1:21so okay and then nightlife cooking no um i'm a waitress well nightlife waitress sorry yeah okay so just working late into the night for that um what is nightlife waitresses what like at a club is that what that means they call the bottle girls but we say servers we say waitresses honestly i've been doing that for like three years so that's really like that's why i said that's like the first thing i'm kind of known for so something that's what you're known for yeah i guess like you can say that like actually yeah okay why are you known for that because it's like a kind of competition if you just say it that way because in houston that's like a i want to say since like 2020 when corona happened and everybody was out here spending their money well out here i mean in houston spending like all their money and stuff blowing it on bottles and stuff it was like the time but that was my when i first got into it too and i was just about to graduate college so it was like so you're making a lot of money how much you're making it not gonna change because at this i don't know i'm saying right now right now from the club from everything from everything from everything just what i feel like i see probably know how much you making not being being honest that i don't keep track like how because i feel like as soon as i get it It goes away Why does it go away?
2:41I spend it What are you spending it on? Personally I feel like Maybe DoorDash and bills DoorDash and Bills? DoorDash? DoorDash Now that's like My guilty pleasure That's one thing I know I have to like Delete the app And what's the other job? You gave another job The school? The law firm What are you doing in the law firm? I've been at the law firm Probably like two Almost three years I'm a supervisor Over like the litigation unit How many hours a week do you work? I'll be working. I'll be working. Yeah, how many hours a week do you work? Now, I switched, like, this, like, I just changed my work schedule literally this week.
3:19So now I'm part-time at the law firm now instead of full-time. Why? It allowed me to have more space. I'm actually making more money this way. Okay. I have, now that I'm at HISD, that's$30 an hour as a contract worker, meaning those taxes aren't getting taken off now. Next year, I'm going to be thinking about this. and then it gives me um i mean that you're getting more but not really because you have to set aside money for taxes but that's not real because you're just blowing it all but the math's not working i'm i'm okay this is my like i'm blowing it but it's not like me blowing it on like splurging it's more like you just said it was doordash that's splurging no that yeah everything else is like bills and stuff I'm obligated to pay for.
4:06To be honest, I'm not taking care of everything I should be taking care of. Why? If you're not taking care of stuff that you're supposed to take care of, why are you getting DoorDash? If you think about my hours that I work, I don't have time to cook. Have you ever heard of one of those? It's a grand new invention. It's two slices of bread. When I tell you clicking is more easier than making that sandwich? No, it is. Of course it is. Of course it is. That's where life has gotten. It's also beyond more expensive and you're not taking care of the bills, according to you. Yeah. I take care of the bills.
4:44No, you don't. I've been through your money. No, you do not. All of them. I can say not what I'm supposed to. But they get done. But I have like, I was just going to say, the rainy days come almost every day. It felt like for a long period of time. Mercury was in retrograde for like seven years if you ask me it was but a lot of that was financially your choices you're blowing it all on door dash so what the yeah mercury you did it yeah you're your own planet in retrograde i don't want to be laughing looking at this i'm not it's not funny no it's not it's not no i'm trying okay so income you have no idea and you take a contract to job because you think that's more money, even though hourly it might not be.
5:32You're just getting more hit in your account, but you're not even thinking about the money you have to set aside for taxes. Fun fact, you make too much money. You actually make$10 ,000 came in. $10 ,000 came in. Well, like I was explaining, that was a weird month because I was taking care of stuff in the club. So money had to pass through my account. That makes sense. So what was net then? How much had to go out through that pass through? How much was not yours? Probably about to keep. How much of the 10 did you get to keep? Like five. No, like six. You got to keep six. Yeah. Even still, with$6 ,000 a month, with where you'll be tax bracket wise, the money that you're getting from the contracting situation, you're going to have to pay taxes.
6:17Okay, so my question is, this is why I was asking myself, and this might be a dumb question, but this is a real question. Is it going to cancel out because of me still working a law firm? What do you mean? Because I still give taxes taken out from that job. You're getting taxes withheld from that income. You're still going to have to pay tax on your other income. Unless you're over withholding from that income, then it'll help. It'll count. Not necessarily count towards it in a way, but mathematically it can be viewed that way. Yeah. You're probably not like overly massively overly withholding.
6:49I'm only going to work at six months. What was your tax return last year? If you even did it correctly. What do you mean? Like how much I? How much came back? Or how much did you pay? Maybe you paid extra. I didn't pay. I don't know. I got money in. How much? Probably like 3K. Probably not. I don't remember getting that much. Well, if it's similar to that, then first of all, did you even claim all your income? That's a whole other question. But either way, especially with the bottle service, probably not. That's hard to keep track of. I'm going to say that right here. But now I'm being more cautious of it because I'm trying to get out of it.
7:24Out of what? Out of nightlife Why? I have so many reasons You said you're so known for it though Sounds like you make a killing At some point Like we make money As the world spends it If that makes sense So we have our slow seasons And this is like This is like Now I've seen it You know like So And then also It's very I'm about to be 25 this year I'm not trying to still be Hablas español Spreys to joich Condenos If you use Babbel you would. Babbel's conversation-based techniques teaches you useful words and phrases to get you speaking quickly about the things you actually talk about in the real world.
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8:36What? I'll wait like the money. Like I had to stop thinking about the fast money and just pull myself out of the club, if that makes sense. But you already were basically negative on everything. So what are we doing now with even less? It was slow season when I did it anyway. So it wasn't like you still made money. Even if it was little, it was money. Are you a business owner and things aren't running as smoothly as they used to be? Well, today's sponsor just might be the solution you've been looking for. NetSuite by Oracle. Think about this. Your business was doing great, but now you're facing some tough times.
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10:22Sometimes it's just not worth it. Mathematically, I don't know. Mathematically, yeah, but sometimes it's just not worth it. Well, then you replace it with another income source, have you? Yeah. What, the contracting thing that you're not setting aside money for? No. Taxes? I do a lip injection. So what the this is a fourth job. That was kind of why I opened up time. Now I only work Monday through Thursday. So me allowing myself that time. That's why I took the two part time jobs to give myself the weekend. And it makes sense if for some reason, somehow it makes sense now. Like how you got to explain it in a way that makes sense if it's going to make sense.
11:03OK, so. OK, literally. I don't have to work nothing, but I can't go over 30 hours at the law firm because I'm part-time now. The contracts of that's$30 an hour up to 25 hours a week without the taxes being withheld. And then with the law firm, even with that, if I work 19 hours, my check going to be like 700. To me, I was about to leave the law firm. I had turned in a letter of resignation. I wanted to just do the whole HIC thing. Now I feel like that can replace the club Because Saying it all out don't make sense Oh gosh, ruin me Saying it all out It don't make sense But I only work Monday through Thursday So now I can take more clients Because I couldn't take more clients How much are you making off these clients?
11:50Right now, I just started in November But this is like You don't even have to survive Even when you're bringing in more money So how does this make sense? It makes sense to me That's not how the world works It's not about the world, it's about me You're the center of the world No But I'm the center of my life That's just how I don't know It makes sense Well what happened It's working out though How No it's not Because I'm taking more No it is not I get to take more clients Clients that you're not making any money from No no I get to take more clients If they're tipping me right now If they're zero dollars I was doing model prices So at first I was taking clients for like 150 That was like consistent Now I slow down I'm going to be honest.
12:33I still don't even promote myself on all my content because I focus on other stuff. Content? You got to like, these days, I feel like everything is so content-based to even promote yourself. It is, but it just sounds like you have a new job every three seconds of your life. But you're not making anything anymore. You've given it all up. You've given up the actual income sources. Uh-uh. Kind of. You work Monday through Thursday. Mm-hmm. When you were making bank kind of, well, ish. Enough. It wasn't enough. It wasn't enough, but now you're making less. So it doesn't even make any sense. It doesn't, okay, to me, I think I'm taking that hit.
13:05I don't care about to you. There's also f***ing reality. I'm taking that hit so I can be uncomfortable, I guess. That was like my whole. What? It makes sense to me. I don't care how it makes sense to you. Explain it to make sense in reality. Okay, so I was complacent with the whole bottle girl thing because I was used to getting that money. So in order for me to take myself out of it, I had to make myself uncomfortable and just. What the f***? That made sense to me. And it worked. It's like reverse. No, it didn't. You're not making money. But it's forcing me to. It would work if it had results.
13:37If it had results. Thank you. It's going to get there. Well, that's just, I mean, that's just a hope. It's forcing me. No, it's not a hope. One thing about it. Okay. I'm going to make it happen. What do you mean? But you've never made anything happen other than not paying on your credit card. That just got like that. I swear to you, when I stopped, when I pulled myself out of the. All it takes is one time. And it was when I took myself out that club. That one like. What does that tell us? What does that tell us? You don't make enough money if you can't pay your bills. We start a business when it's risk adverse and we don't have a ton of debt holding us back.
14:12If we can't pay our bills, we're not doing that. We do it when it makes mathematical sense. So you agree? Oh, yeah, I agree. Then why don't you do it? And why are you continuing to do it? I'd go back to the club. I'm still there. Okay. I'd pick up more hours. I don't want to be a dream dasher, dude. I want you to build this business. But what a mature adult does First in order to take care What you rolling your eyes What the f*** you rolling your eyes about Because like What It's more it's more to it It's more to This like It's very The club is very competitive First of all like Oh my god It's not about me I can't just walk in and pick up a shit I'm not saying that But you've been successful at it Yeah But then I got tired And I lost my Wham wham wham I just got I'll have to go literally In order to For me to Dude all I'm saying is You're not paying your bills.
14:59I'm paying them. You are not paying your bills. I'm paying the ones. Okay. Let me. We haven't even gotten to the checking account. I've never seen so many overdraft things happening. It's insanity. That was coming from my savings. Yes, I know how it works. We'll get to it. It wasn't like I was. You were spending money that wasn't in your checking account, so it was automatically pulled from your savings in order to pay for it. Yes. But my check, my literally my payroll goes automatically to my savings. So it's kind of like. It's all door dash and plug. at least I was being honest about the door dash because I know that's like my you better not lie we're not gonna get anywhere if you lie the reason why I'm so intense is because I try to get through try to get through people and show them what kind of disaster they're in but you don't seem to even do you even care?
15:41I do care why? you don't seem to show it that you care I'll be honest the only main thing I care about is somewhere to sleep so I feel like that's probably it might sound crazy but all I care about is paying my rent like all I truly matter though you have if you have other bills that are important too i know yes we take care of the place we live in first and foremost because we're not getting kicked out on the street i agree with that that doesn't mean i mean it's childlike behavior giving up something that's a little tough and just saying oh we're not paying the rest of the bills it's very like job was like stressful and you just didn't like it it's just very yeah it's very time-consuming.
16:23It's more than me being clocked in. It's like literally, I don't know, but it's just like, at some point, you gotta give up. No. Welcome to adulthood. Welcome to the system we're in. I want to help people navigate the system we're in. We can sit here and be, I wish, I wish, I wish. I'm still there. That's irresponsible. It's not like I just worked last night. BJ's Wholesale Club makes holiday hosting so easy. We called in the ultimate host to talk about it. Mrs. Claus here. You think Santa has it tough delivering all over the world? Try cooking for hundreds of elves. Good thing BJ's offers low prices on all the menu must-haves, plus free same-day delivery on your first order of$100 or more.
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18:06This was like did something massive and that got on there. You get what I'm saying? Why didn't we start working to pay it off? So what I was actually trying to say earlier before I was cut off, like you're starting to build a business. You want to build a business, right? Like I've been very blessed completely thanks to you all out there that I've been able to build a business here. I have full-time employees. I would never have gone into that without a 12 month emergency fund. I would have never gone into that. If I had bad debt hanging over my head, that the risk profile is just way too immense to go into a business like that.
18:44If you can't cover your bills and you can't cover your bills, you cover some of the bills, the, the, the, the absolutely crucial ones. So you don't become homeless, but you're not covering your other bills. You're overdrafting. It's, you're not doing this in a right way. and I want to help coach you to the point where you're doing. I want your business to be successful. I want you to be successful, but you don't do that if you do it in a stupid way and you're doing it in a very stupid way. This I can agree with. Yeah. Cool. So are you going to be mature? Yeah. Cool. Are you willing to put that shit on hold?
19:15Yeah. Make some money right now? Pay this shit off and actually take care of this for the first time in your life? Mm-hmm. Okay. So you're going to work seven days a week, including more at the club. Exactly. I just feel like the club Can be taken out the equation It can be something else put there I don't know what I'm gonna be honest Replace it with something tell me 10 to 2 clubs is getting on my nerves The after hours I can work with And it's about the way I get paid Fine replace it with something What are you replacing it with Something that's not building from the ground up You know that's hard It's hard only because What can I do I can do many things one thing I do want to lean back into is just raw serving.
20:01Like raw. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Service based industries are still best retired. I'm not even going to hold you. I've been applying to like. Very skeptical. I swear. Like, but it's really about the hours. At the amount that you should, I'm a little skeptical. Ah, so you're not available for the hours that they need you. That they need. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's different. So I'll apply for like a weekend job. Because of the law firm and the HIC still. You don't work at the law firm on the weekend. No, I'm saying. But they don't. They're not hiring. They want me there on weekdays. When's the law firm?
20:31When's the law firm? That's Monday through Thursday from 8.30 to 12. And then I go to HIZ after. Now most places. And that's the club, right? No, HIZ is the school district. Sorry, sorry, sorry. And when does that start and when does it end? From 1 to 4.30. So I'm doing two part-time. You can still get like a bar shift, right? For sure. But I don't know if they're seeing that. I don't know. I will do it, but it's like. How many do you apply for on a daily basis? It's not a daily basis. It's like. Okay, you're not doing it right. If you want a job, you have to apply to jobs within that sector like it's a full-time job.
21:08You need to maximize your resume skill, maximize your interview skills through YouTube videos, through different services you can take advantage of. If you're saying you don't even apply to at least a job a day, you're failing. You're not doing it right. At one point, it was that. But this is before HIZ came along. So this is all within like the last two months. hizdi just started two days ago that's what this is all new to me up till last year like january 5th was my last normal day of life i was working the law firm full-time 10 ,795 dollars in student loans what's your degree in criminal justice okay why are we not working in that in any way whatsoever probably by the time i was about to walk across stage i decided i don't do okay but you got a degree we can at least utilize a bachelor degree to hopefully get into you know some positions and maybe customer service positions maybe sales positions maybe you know it helps us get in the door we can it probably probably got you in the law firm door um which is great i don't uh so i think we could be making better than 30 hour 30 hours an hour is not bad but this is not many hours that's what's concerning about that the law firm i was getting 20 an hour now i got my raise when i was about to quit how much it's 20 an hour still oh that's the raise yeah okay my thing is and this is why i was about to leave is because i was getting paid 1850 and i was only paying my rent just that job alone it was literally only paying my rent and that's when i got to back into my attitude of okay i can't say screw the club i gotta get back into the club that's why i'm slowly but surely back in the club now but for a minute i wasn't i'm confident with the right amount of work the right interview skills the right resumes maybe even picking up an additional certification like if you want to work with tech i can gift you one through course careers they're great um i mean there's a lot of different things yeah we can maximize those skills dude i can get you 50 000 a year we're gonna nine to five we're gonna nine to five that might not be what you want but we gotta at least take advantage we gotta kill these bills build up a fully funded emergency fund 12 months probably before you start this business endeavor.
23:15And right now, you're just like, f***ing around, just dipping in a little in these different pots. Yeah, that's the word. Yeah. I don't know. I think we need to focus up. $10 ,795 to sit alone, so what's your minimum payment? Like$125? What? I'm not paying it. I haven't been. I can be honest about that. That was supposed to be, because they've been going down on their own. So I'm thinking the government got something to do with that. What? At least I'm being honest. Are you sure you're not getting an automatic withdrawal? Where would they pull it from? It can't be from my account. Garnishing your wages.
23:50Garnishing your wages before they hit your account, potentially. I mean, that's an extreme step, but it's not unknown. It's not what I'm doing. That's not you doing something. That's them doing it to you. I haven't seen it. Do you look into your pay stubs? Yeah. You do? For sure. From everywhere? Why are you not paying this? Why are you not acting like an adult? You see how they're saying 2 % paid off, 1 % paid off? Yes, you've probably paid some money towards it at some point. That's not me. That's what I'm saying. Somebody's doing some magic right now. I was going to let the magic keep happening.
24:22And then I was going to pay some shit. Maybe Joe Biden won't come take care of that like he said he would. He tried. The Supreme Court said no. That's why I was waiting. Now, I just graduated in 22 to 1. So if you can understand, I felt like that was my business. It's like three years ago now. We just had a confrontation about my maturity. I'm being honest. Yeah, you're a child. I was not thinking about that stuff. I wasn't. Okay. I am now. So you're going to start paying? Yeah. I'm very skeptical. You're just sitting here. No, I'm being through. I don't want you to just be agreeable. I'm definitely being through right now.
24:52Why? What has changed from yesterday to the moment you're sitting right here? This conversation. About me being, I have to grow up. I feel like I haven't said enough for you to all of a sudden be like, oh, I'm going to start paying everything that I've decided never to pay. Honestly, in the past, me having to deal with all these changes recently, I had to open my eyes to a lot of stuff. Because like you said, I'm making these choices on my own. Nobody told me to go. Nobody told me to do anything. I literally did all this on my own. I'm making all these decisions on my own. They have five meetings to try to keep me at the law firm full time.
25:22It's literally me. You should have paid more. They think that$20 an hour is what it is. Well, then you say no and you'll find a better job. It's not. Yeah, it's not what it is. Oh, 2018 Mr. Beachy Mirage G4. What's the interest rate on this thing? I think 11%. Now, let me be honest. I just you say that every time because just be honest I'm just saying like okay this year I paid no that's not this year 2023 in like April that was my last time even having to pay my car note until yesterday because I paid a lot of my principal see that I was thinking about because it was that's what you mean when you got the loan you threw a big chunk of money at it not when I got it I was just at some point yeah at some point so you have to start the minimum monthly payment now yeah just yesterday now it's 140 it used to be 314 that's 11 i have a history huh i have a history with cars what i did something dumb what okay now this i can talk about it now because it was something just stupid um i got my first car 20 2019 just i needed a car because i was in college i was going to um prairie view and driving back so i needed a car i didn't even know how to drive I got the car from Carvana, I think.
26:35I was paying my monthly through, I want to say, I had a finance loan through Navy Federal. Then I got another car. I traded that in for a Cameron in, like, 2021. Now, my interest rate, because the trade-off was so, I don't know the way for it. I think that impacted interest rate. Well, something. Your credit score. Probably, my memory's not that good. Not paying on credit cards. No, no, at that time, it was not like this. your credit score yeah it was my credit score but it was for something else it wasn't for my credit card i don't know what it was for bottom line car got repoed and what's the crazy thing is i had the money the exact to the dime this was so crazy all that was in my savings i just wasn't that was the dumbest thing i've ever done in my life that was but i think it was a blessing in guys because now my car note is way less my car is cheaper than what it was but now i can actually afford my car payments so well i could afford them now because i had the money the exact i literally spent the same amount of money to get a new car the same day this was like you could have sold the car there's lots of options that could have happened that was the dumbest thing i ever did in my life with your daily interest your interest rates close to 17 17 % is death.
27:57It is death. I think it's killing. It's not even worth it. You could pay this off, man. It's$10 ,000. When I paid it off, I was looking at that. When I paid off a lump sum amount in April, it was like$9 ,000. My balance. So this$10 ,000 was already like, it just came out of nowhere. So that makes. Okay. Now this is the absolute just. This blew my mind. This is overdraft, overdraft, overdraft, overdraft, overdraft, overdraft, overdraft. I know it's pulling from your savings because you're spending money that's not in your checking account. Why is the money not in your checking account? It's just automatically going to my savings.
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29:13Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! Overdrive! of it congratulations there's like 10 more pages of it what the why why i do now use my second savings what my credit union is weird enough to like let me do that so i just keep it in my savings because that money is going to just be getting spent anyway that's the second savings i do have a second savings account that you can't see because i only i can see that Now you're not going to see it on there Because I wasn't using it at that time I started using it this month When I started making these changes How much is in that savings?
29:53Probably like$600 right now That's good Coming from a person like this $600 is nice And then I keep cash I keep a cash savings Because every one thing about me Every$1 bill I get I save So that's like my For a server that's a good little thing to do Because I get a lot of wants So that's what This account ended with $3 ,000 in it I think It's all just going to the Checking to spend on Shadow Creek and Happiness Nails and Skyline Deli That's My daily
30:35Cash app Please don't be what I think it is No no no see that was one of the things I said was weird because of some stuff I had to do for work. More Cash App, Skyline Deli. That's my daily coffee. Cash App, Skyline Deli. Daily coffee, make it. This is being transferred from your savings to pay for it because you don't know how to be responsible. Lucky Inn. Lexus Nails. Lucky Luck Inn. Cash App and out money. Going and getting some bulls**t from the gas station taquitos whatever transfer STD I don't know laundry that's what it says it says STD but I'm sure it's not Landry's St. Louis Maluckian Hilton what was it a steak it's not worth it you don't have money it was worth it that day no it's not What?
31:40You are a child. I said that day. That was 2023. Oh, my gosh. 2023 was 19 days ago. I'm changed. I'm changed. Changing. I feel like you're just taking this as a joke. I'm serious right now. It doesn't feel serious to me. Zell and money. Apple. Bath and body. Perfumes. It was my brother's birthday. It makes you congratulations. Happy birthday. I'm getting out of debt so I can start my business and give you better birthday presents in the future. apple golden something apple that's my suite i have to pay for for my business that's every week which one golden i have to pay her every week for my suite which is one thing i'm trying to change you rent a space oh no oh no what's your weekly cost 150 dollars Oh my gosh What have you just done to yourself Now that is something I said that thing The other thing was one of the dumbest things I ever did in my life $650 a month on average What My heart's racing Mine is too and it should be It's a natural reaction to this disaster This is endless death So let me ask you a question This is my thought process this year My lease is about to be up I don't want to give up on my dreams I don't want you to either But there's the right ways to go about it There's the responsible ways to go about it I want to get something where I can do it all under one roof You're going to sleep in this unit?
33:09No Have the unit in my house So this lease ends soon? My lease ends soon Like where I live What about this? In June That is I can leave what I want And I also have somebody renting out that space For the days I'm not there So it's not like I don't get money off of it If you get what I'm saying Like somebody uses it. You are not profiting. A little bit, yeah. You are not profiting. Okay. No, not profiting. Like I'm not seeing it back in. I'm seeing money, but it's not like. Stopping at the gas station, getting some bull. Still the Anos and valet service. Yeah, we can afford that. Stopping at Circle K, getting something bull.
33:49Microsoft. Apple. There's the golden team. Apeya's. Apple. Skyline Deli. Apple. McDonald's. Zelling out money. Zelling out money. I'm getting those McNugs Can't afford You're not paying your car to student loans You do not get some McNugs Hot and spicy I don't give a shit Zelling out money Apple bill Door dash Zelling out money Marshalls Zelling out money Skyline skyline Apple bill Woo Zelling out money Marshalls That was Zelling out money Cash effing out money Apple bill Fit Fashion Razzle Dazzle That was ridiculous H &M Everything has an excuse No like that Razzle Dazzle was ridiculous I can't admit that Perfume Depot Great Getting Taquito at Chevron Scooters It was my brother's birthday Oh my gosh Is it his birthday every second of every day apparently He had a nice time Good Congratulations Get out of debt Yeah Trip Trash Taquira
35:01Come on. You're not starting your business on the right foot if you're just blowing all your money anyway, dude. Like if we're into the debt and stuff, I guess I would rather you pay that off and then start the business. But if you're already in that situation, you're starting a business, whether or not that debt's there, blowing all this money makes no sense. No sense. I can agree. Only, I guess I'm not being conscious of it. Because I was used to doing that stuff anyway. If that makes sense. Yeah. It's called growing up and becoming more mature. Growing. I used to do it all the time. I used to bad finances, bad just things in general.
35:43Yeah. I stopped. Because I grew up. I'm matured. I think this is just my time. I know this stuff. It needs to be. But, man, if we have a follow-up in six months and you haven't changed, oh, I'm going to be beyond upset. You want to be upset. I'm going to be upset. I don't know, man. I'm being for real. I need to change phone is 418 don't even get me started what's going on what does that mean I pay her phone bill and she likes to roam and that what about unlimited for$70 I have unlimited I work with mint as one of my resources tell me about it please it's under your name and bank account Just you f***ing do it Yes You do it It's not me It's under your name, it's going to your account, right?
36:38Right? So, call them up And say, I'm not doing this anymore I'm switching plans And your mom will figure it out, she's a big girl That's easier said than done No s***, everything here is But it's still something you have to do That's my mom I know, you can still pay for your mom but pay for your mom$30 a month on Mint. $70 a month on T-Mobile. I have T-Mobile. Yeah, but you're on a s*** plan. I did come. It was one of those transfers. Just change the plan, dude. Change the plan. But for some reason, I don't know. I know I have unlimited. It's something about that Roman stuff. It's the Roman and the international.
37:19Going to grocery store 2.8. Going out to f***ing 84.6 % of your spending. Miscellaneous bull****. Stop shush. We do not need ever, ever to survive 30 % of your spending. That sounds accurate. At least I was aware of it. Well, that pisses me off more. That pisses me off more. You're aware of it, but you chose to do it anyway, and you haven't changed a single thing. That pisses me off more. I'd rather have someone come here, and I get them aware of it by going through the situation, and they change it. You are aware of it, but you're still doing it. That pisses me off. I'm changing now. Just because you sit here.
37:50You're not just going to look good. You're not just going to look good because everything got called on you. You're like, oh, but I'm perfect now. I've chosen to be perfectly in this door. I'm not perfect. Yeah, but I fixed everything. That's not how this works. I'm not fixing everything. I just told you. Look at this. I'm not fixing everything. You're not going to pay on your stimulus? I'm going to pay on it. I'm just saying, like, if I was fixing everything, I'm not perfect. Like, this would be at least, this is. No, you've kept making it sound like, from this conversation right now, everything's just going to be good.
38:16Yeah. See? That f***s me. I do not believe that. I want to have a follow-up with you because I'm being serious. Yes, prove me wrong, please. But usually when I get through people and I've seen them make progress on the private discord or past guests and stuff, you know, they're still like. It's going to be hard. There's still like something to get through for you. For you just saying, oh, I'm just going to do it. This is like I just don't believe it for a single second. I'm being honest. OK. I think maybe a part of me just don't want to do it, but I'm going to do it. I think I'm just holding on to what I'm used to.
38:54I'm used to door dashing all the time It's part of But I'm going to have to change that I'm going to have to go start making on sandwiches You have to but will you? Yes I'm serious I really hope so Because it's your future I need to I want my business to work I hate the club I hate the club That is my driving force of everything Is to get out of the club That's unchangeable
39:26What's your rent? Your rent. $1 ,500. $1 ,600? $1 ,500? Just about. No, what is it? Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. It's a lot. It's a lot, I know. This is the most natural reaction you could have to this. seeing everything laid out for the very first time and being called on actions is one of the most important things that many of us can have happen in our lives when you know we know it helps us um well i get it very natural and you're okay
40:11You still look great Okay My rent is 15 Tell me through your emotions Talk me through it What are you feeling? Like I should have been Just like I mentioned with the car thing Like I have the money I just literally was I get caught up in life like Half of my late bills are literally because I forgot to pay. I have the money. I would just forget to do something. As long as you recognize that, that's what the most important thing is. The skepticism is just from the conversations I find on the show and seeing how people leave here and what they actually do. But truly, if you believe it, that is the most important aspect of this show is digging into people, really showing them the nightmare situation.
41:01and these are your true emotions showing that have built up and you know releasing and realize just how bad this is if that's what it takes man then i'll you know then that's good that's a win it's a win because this is it's being recorded fine okay it's gonna be up there and it's content for people to consume whatever people are gonna hopefully learn from it hopefully some people are going to be entertained by it. Hopefully you're getting something from this. But in the end, this is your life. Life is not something to frown with. You know, whether that be from my end or your end, I want you to do so well as a human being on this planet.
41:43I want you to do so well, but it requires immense sacrifice and immense change. And that's what I'm always scared and skeptical of people being able to take that leap. But if you realize how bad this is and I think you're finally starting to, I think that can be the motivation you need to at least start the journey. What's going to be crucial is keeping you on along the journey. Okay. Utilities on average. You live alone. Yeah. When's your lease done? June. And you're considering getting what? Like a two bedroom? With one being a Place for the Lips and stuff Okay so rent will be about the same But we might give up the$6.50 From the place you're renting now The extra place What are your utilities on average?
42:38Lights and all this stuff Gas Gas and stuff is included inside my rent So lights would be like$180 Now And then probably Wi-Fi Like$60 $60 for internet? Okay. DashPass is canceled. That's beyond canceled. You know. I wasn't even using that. BT Plus canceled. I don't even use that. Exactly. That's how most subscriptions work. Looks like you used$86 in gas, like vroom vroom gas. Is that based on the show? Yeah, that's based on what we gathered from your statements, and not including the couple-dollar purchases when you stopped there. car insurance 229 oh that's something that gets on my nerves okay phone we're getting it down to 200 it just has to be it's gonna be meal on there eventually oh i mean if you stop paying for everybody because i'm paying my whole family oh well that's why it's yeah well i didn't know that yeah you need to take care of yourself this it's gonna be a hard conversation because i'm not gonna my sister is with me now too that's why I was in like okay then I'll keep it at 150 let's count it you and your sister but you do need to set clear boundaries with the family when you can't even take care of your own bills and you're not choosing she's with me like technically my utilities could be less if you know what I mean does she pay rent?
44:08so not yet okay that's a conversation to be had that's a conversation to be had and it's a conversation with your family to be had that you're not taking care of them anymore, you're not subsidizing them anymore, you're taking care of your own life because you need to be able to retire at some point and not die in poverty. Yeah. So it's a conversation you need to have. Harder said than done, as you said, as I always say, but it's a conversation that needs to be had regardless. $300 for groceries. I don't eat that much. You go out to eat all the time, that's why. Yeah. Toilet paper fund, this is anything else you need to exist.
44:42Really anything else, I just call it the toilet paper fund because this is what I called it the first time,$100. That can be car maintenance sometimes. It can be like stocking up on toilet paper that I'm like, it can be toothpaste, you know, whatever it is. This is a real good story about Bronx and his dad, Ryan, real United Airlines customers. We were returning home, and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Captain Andrew. I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age.
45:13That's Andrew, a real united pilot. These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain. Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever. That's how good leads the way. Anything else you need to survive other than obviously paying your debt? Paying for those raggedy club uniforms is actually an expense. Okay. But I think what we're doing, honestly, I think what we're doing, this is not going to be an instantaneous thing, but we're applying for jobs like it's a full-time job utilizing our degree looking for a nine-to-five and we're probably quitting all the jobs you have once you get accepted into a job and we're doing a nine-to-five temporarily well we pay off the debt get a six to twelve month emergency fund and then we're going all in on the business come on please be aligned with me there please but but because what i mean technically i can go back full-time at the law firm i know but i we can have you making more money i know you can make more money i know i can't that's my thing like i want to first of all you're going to go through our budgeting program so you're going to know how to actually do this on your whole thing but besides that i'm we were also doing you're going to be working on uh do a resume builder online they're not much it's a worthwhile investment and watch youtube videos great free platform we're on right now on interview skills and then i want you to set a threshold like 20 jobs a day minimum that you're applying to remote in-person hybrid all office manager customer support blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you're doing it you're doing it we're shooting for about i want to shoot for about 30 35 an hour shoot for you might start around 25 even if we're working 25 full-time instead of two kind of part-time jobs we'll make more eventually yeah um and even if you're working a job in the evening temporarily you might be working seven days a week all the time just to get out of debt which is okay your debt minimum monthly payments is 451 dollars that we're gonna start paying guys it's a new year and you need to make your money work for you you can do exactly what i literally do right now and put my money in the best high yield savings account so far i get a 4.6 percent yield on my money and i also took advantage of the bonus of up to$250 when I signed up.
47:33You can start 2024 off amazing by doing the same by going to the link in the description below. So let's see what we need to survive. And yes again, when is your lease up again? June. So I'm still calculating the$650 towards it because I doubt you're going to give up that studio. Oh, I'm not going to lie. I've been thinking about that for the past two months. Okay, cut it now. No, it's cut. It's not even a question anymore. The fact that I allowed myself to consider it. It's going to be another month. At least. Stop. I have a contract. Stop. I have a contract there. Oh, but you said you could stop at whenever.
48:09It's what you literally told me. Okay, fine. Another month and then you're done. Another month, yeah. Because she's a nice lady. Fantastic. Congratulations to her. That does not dictate your financial future. But the same way I let someone use my suite, I'm sure somebody could let me use theirs, if that makes sense. Okay, but it sounds like you want to run it out of your place temporarily. Actually, no. You should go to people's places. Why don't you be on the go? That's my only option because. Wouldn't people rather have like an at-home service? Actually, no. I don't want people in my house. Huh?
48:42I don't want people in my house. I can't have people in my house right now, but. I don't know. In your new apartment. Yeah, in my new apartment, yes. Right now, no. That's really what my hold-up is because I have an awkward six months of pain. $3 ,056 is what you need to survive on a monthly basis after this month. That's your minimum. I do not know what you make now. You do not know what you make now because that was weird. We stopped making – we dropped many hours to different places. Things got weird. I don't know, but that's what you need to survive. Now, I know for a fact with your degree, with your resume experience, if we improve some skills on resume building and interviews and if you want to get certifications, anything like that, cool.
49:20I know we can at least bring in$5 ,000 a month. Net$5 ,000 a month net giving you an extra$2 ,000 a month. I know we can. I know we can. I know we can. First thing you do in that situation, build up$3 ,000. That's a one-month emergency funding course in case anything happens. After that, pay off the quick silver card. You'd be able to pay that off at that point within a month. Within a month. No spending on it. Not even close. Not even a question. Not even the consideration. And monthly payments until then. From there, that insane 18 % death insanity on the stupid car. it's paid off in five months five months and you own the car right out it's awesome six months quicksilver's gone and the car is paid off fantastic one and a half months you have a one month emergency fund so in total seven and a half months student loans if the interest rates are what I think they are if they're below 5 % minimum monthly payments set it up on a traditional repayment plan 10 years and it's not going to be much it's going to be like$125 a month but minimum monthly payments so that paid off What I then need you to do, if we really want to go all in on this business, which is a risky venture, so we give ourselves an extra buffer with where the debt minimum payments are going to be gone.
50:33We're going to need about$2 ,600 on a monthly basis to survive. Call that$1 ,000. $31 ,000 is what you're going to save up. $31 ,000 with the additional$3 ,500 you have left on a monthly basis minus the$3 ,000 you have saved up in your emergency fund. divide that by the$2 ,500 you have left on a monthly basis. It's going to take about another 11 months. Now, you can be a little more risky cutting that in half, having a six-month emergency fund before you go all into the business. I'd still work on the side, just cover the basic necessities, about$2 ,500 on a monthly basis. But I would try to get the 12-month emergency fund if you can.
51:12Now, best way to do that, increasing income by working every single second of your life. I don't, you don't have a ton of responsibilities in your life as far as I understand it. Come on. Responsibilities like extra things you have to go do. Have to, have to. There's obligations, but have to do. You don't have to break that down some more. Nine to five. Uh-huh. And then after nine to five, a five to nine. Five to ten. I feel like that's my life. It is, but you're doing it in a terribly unproductive way where our toes are barely dipped into things that are not milking us a good return. So we're getting you a decent 9 to 5 that I think will give you at least$5 ,000 in net This is all easier said than done But that's what you have to shoot for by working on the resume skills and the interview skills And applying to a minimum 20 jobs a day on LinkedIn and Indeed Let me tell you I did this 7 days a week thing before No, this is temporary Do you not understand that this is temporary?
52:04I did it before I'm telling you, I had a seizure on my sleep And that's scary Was it because of that though? I feel like I was my lack of sleep I was not getting to sleep at all No, no, no We don't say I feel like we go see a specialist and we determine why. That's how I feel. I don't care how you feel. We see a medical specialist, an expert, and we try to get diagnosed. We don't dictate our lives around a I think. I know. If a life-threatening event happened, if a life-threatening event happened, we see a specialist because you're 24 years old. You're probably on your parents' health insurance.
52:36Sure. Okay. Take advantage of that. There's going to be co-pays. There might be some out-of-pocket expenses. It's going to happen. I'd rather save your life. Yeah. So I would actually go see your doctor like immediately this week. You had an actual season, right? I'm so serious. Yes. Okay. I connected it to. I don't give a shit you connected it with. I don't give a shit. I need you to go. The reason I don't give a shit is because your life is too important for you to be like, I think this is why. You're going to go see a doctor. You're going to start going through the system. You're going to try to figure out a diagnosis.
53:07And they're going to tell you what kind of extremes you're going to go to. Now, sleep-wise, I said 9 to 5, 5 to 10. You're still going to get eight hours of sleep there. That's chill. You're just not going to have a lot of free time, but it's okay. Free time is less money spending. You do not have money to spend. I know what I'm saying sounds so hard, but I'm talking for the sake of your business. I wanted this to be my business, so I saved off a big, fat emergency fund before I went all in on it. That's what you got to do. It's a sacrifice that you don't want to do, but it's what you got to do for your dreams.
53:39because your dreams in your life are more important than these debts. So go kill them because I think you can actually bring in about – I think on top of the five and bring it in, I think you bring in an extra$1 ,500 net on a monthly basis. It speeds up this whole process. I think in a whole year at that point, close to a whole year, all the bad debts are gone and you'd have a comfortable enough emergency fund to be able to dive in on the business for the vast majority of time. A year of sacrifice at 24 is nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing compared to the decades and decades and decades you have left in your life.
54:14Nothing. Fingers crossed. What are your thoughts on all that? I know that's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot to think about, especially the sacrifices. I already kind of sacrificed my free time anyway, so it's not that big of a deal. I know, but you're not making progress. I'm giving you the path. Yeah. So what do you think about my path? I think I like it. And I like the fact that about the year, it sounds nice. It sounds lovely. because like you said comparing it to the years and decades of just working endlessly to try to pay off the same thing when i can handle it now and then be comfortable i'd rather that go through the budgeting program that'll help you at least build out a budget and know what you need to live from there you just need to work and pay off the debt and only stick to the needs in the budget which is so hard it's so hard but it's so worth it it's so worth it i personally did it and i know you can do it too.
55:05One of the things I want us to get once we're in the business and we're paying taxes, everything are good. That's when the exciting things happen. We start to build wealth. We take advantage of the years we have left of compound growth. You start investing 20 % a month will still be good for you and your situation at that age. You can throw it in a solo 401ks, things like that for tax advantage accounts. If you want to buy individual stocks like I do, I throw it into Moo Moo. That's really great. That's what I personally use. You can, there's so many different things that this is, that's the exciting part and i am excited to talk to you about that when that happens but today you need to take care now it's not an option it's not an option thoughts questions comments concerns more more more scared to anything but i'm ready it's good to be scared it's good to be scared if that's a driving motivator for you yeah good i really really really want my business to work I do too sacrifice for a year go crazy for a year work for myself because working for other people constantly every day is dragging me down so I'm ready sacrifice to get there no more door dash it's obvious that across the board add up everything across the usual categories hammer financial scores is not going to be higher than zero so zero out of ten make sure to check out all the resources linked in the description below they are what I use or would use in specific situations including the best budgeting program in the history of the internet.
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