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Podcast Episode Summary: Disgusting Degenerate Steals $40,000 From Everyone | Financial Audit
Episode Overview In this episode of the *Financial Audit* podcast, host Caleb Hammer delves deep into the financial situation of a guest who has made numerous poor financial choices, leading to a precarious economic standing. The conversation covers various aspects of personal finance, including spending habits, income issues, and the importance of budgeting and planning for the future.
Key Themes and Concepts
Guest's Background
- Employment: The guest works as an accounts payable clerk earning about $20/hour, with aspirations of permanent employment after a temporary stint.
- Current Financial State:
- Monthly income is approximately $2,235, with a high cost of living in Austin.
- The guest has withdrawn about $3,000 from their 401k, which is detrimental to their long-term financial health.
Spending Habits
- The guest admits to spending around $3,800 in a month, significantly exceeding their income.
- A substantial portion of the spending is attributed to dining out (27% of income spent on eating out).
- The guest has accumulated various debts, including credit cards, with payments often neglected.
Debt Overview
- Credit Card Debt: The guest has multiple credit cards, with varying balances and interest rates, including a Capital One Walmart card and a Quicksilver card, both with significant outstanding amounts.
- Car Loan: The guest financed a new car (2024 model) despite their low income, resulting in a monthly payment of $624. The car's value is now questionable due to previous damage.
Financial Mistakes
- The episode highlights the guest's decisions leading to their current financial predicament, including:
- Withdrawing from retirement savings for immediate needs.
- Not understanding the long-term consequences of high-interest debts.
- Lack of a proper budget or financial plan.
- Ignoring maintenance on previous vehicles, leading to hasty decisions on new purchases.
Solutions and Future Planning
- Income Generation: The guest plans to seek additional employment (potentially as a barista) to increase income.
- Budgeting Education: Caleb emphasizes the need for the guest to utilize budgeting tools and strategies to manage spending going forward.
- Therapy and Support: The guest recognizes the need for therapy to address their spending habits and financial decisions.
Final Thoughts
- Caleb emphasizes the importance of taking personal responsibility for financial choices and the need for discipline in budgeting.
- The episode concludes with the guest acknowledging their financial irresponsibility and expressing a desire to change their situation through actionable steps.
Takeaways
- Understanding Spending vs. Income: It's critical to differentiate between spending habits and income capacity. The guest erroneously identified their income as the primary issue without recognizing their excessive spending as a major factor.
- Importance of Budgeting: A clear and structured budget is essential for managing finances effectively and avoiding debt accumulation.
- Long-term Financial Health: Decisions made today have lasting impacts on future financial stability, particularly regarding retirement savings and debt management.
- Seeking Help: Utilizing financial resources and support systems can lead to significant improvements in financial literacy and stability.
Resources Mentioned
- Caleb's budgeting and investing programs available for purchase.
- Suggestions for online financial tools and resources to help improve financial literacy.
This episode serves as a cautionary tale about the importance of financial awareness, accountability, and the potential consequences of poor financial decisions.
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Transcript
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0:30Welcome on the show. So what do you do for a living here in Austin? I'm an accounts payable clerk. Okay. And what do we make? Like 20 an hour. So is that like what? 40? 40 a year? How do you feel living on Austin and that? Not great. Yeah. Austin's kind of a higher cost of living place to live. You get 40 hours a week? Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I try to do overtime though. You get paid time off? Not yet. I'm temp. No, but really? Okay. How long have you been in this job? about two months next month is my final month yeah next month's your final month yeah and then what and then i'm permanent oh yeah i've already had that conversation oh okay it's official yeah permanent at what wage uh still 20 okay i know this is what you want to be doing um i do like it i like it a lot actually 20 is not absolutely you know horrific or anything you know definitely depends on the household situation depends on debt depends on the place you're living in um okay now what do you think came in through payroll in this last month oof uh not much because i was that's not a number okay um so i'm gonna say 3 000 maybe maybe a little less 2 000 2 600 i'm gonna say 2 235 oh does that sound normal yeah that that kind of sounds about now there is an ach deposit of 602 in where'd that come from um i think it was from my 401k yeah sorry what from your 401k you're taking out of your 401k yeah i i needed a little extra that is the last thing i would be smiling about in this entire world my dude yeah you're taking from your 401k it's not my best decade of your it's not the first time i'm sorry caleb don't be sorry to me this isn't about me i don't who gives a about me this is your literal retirement how much have you withdrawn from your 401k total so within the past year maybe like 3k
2:39half of it was to pay for my car but you have a 10 withdrawal and over this last year i mean when you started contributing in general, other than these last couple weeks, the market has been up, up, up, up, up, meaning you are paying capital gains, sometimes short term capital gains on some of these. Yeah. So you're just getting f***ed. Yeah, I know. I f***ed myself a little. And this is the best decade of your life for compound growth setting yourself up for retirement. F*** me. How much did you withdraw? $5 ,000? No. $3 ,000. Okay. So I'm going to open up Moo Moo. It's where I invest My money is the brokerage I use personally.
3:21I'm going to put that$3 ,000 in the S &P 500 for the next 43 years. No. 32 years. to$59.50 when you can withdraw that money penalty-free. Okay. That$3 ,000 was worth$72 ,628. And what'd you take it out for? So it was to put a down payment on my car because I didn't get the insurance money from the hail storm. Insurance money from the hail? Okay, so hail f***ed it? Hail f***ed my first car. And it made it undriveable? It didn't make it undriveable. What am I getting into right now? Okay, so what? What did the hell do? It damaged every single panel of my car, of my Nissan Altima. Mistake number one, Nissan Altima.
4:24Yeah, I hated it. Okay. It had a sunroof too, so it blew it in. Okay, so you would have had to replace glass. Yeah. But other than that, it was just denting things? But nothing internal got messed up? It was already kind of a f***ed up car. How? Like, it was running rough. Like, really rough. How? It, I don't know. It just sounded rough. I'm sorry. No. Don't apologize to me. Okay. This isn't about me. Okay. But you didn't take it to a mechanic and have a mechanic say that, Well, this car is rough. No. I'm going to f*** the guy. Okay. If it helps, I also want to die. just jokes i promise i promise so you gotta you put a down payment on a new car yeah i've seen this car loan this car loan is not good no so you've now you're taking oh so that ach inside bringing in was from your 401k are you still taking more well what's your 401k at now like 300 yeah oh so literally you've drained it down to like one more withdraw possible and then And that's like it.
5:35Yeah. Then what? And then what was your plan after that? Well, I was going to start contributing once I get like the permanent position because they offer for a one pay. Yeah. But what changes? You're making the same amount of hours, same amount of pay. So what the was going to be different? I guess I was going to try to also get a second job. Why aren't you getting a second job today? I actually have an interview tomorrow. For what? For a barista position at Starbucks. Great. absolutely wonderful fantastic yeah okay so you think it's an income problem it is i think i think it's an income problem because when i did get my car i was making a little bit more why are you making less today because i left due to health reasons what like i was um i have an autoimmune disorder and yeah and it's really really bad and it started really affecting my health and it was a physically draining job and you're about to be able to work two jobs now i can i can do one of my jobs i just pretty much sit at a desk all day the other job would get what was the other job my my previous job was i was a production associate at um down the road or in tesla tesla oh okay yeah yeah okay so you just couldn't be on your feet couldn't be yeah doing all the manual labor yeah it was it was a lot over time because i didn't i developed my autoimmune while I was working.
6:58What are the symptoms? Like I get really fatigued, like standing a long hour. Has this been clinically diagnosed? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Unlike your mechanic thing that you didn't do, I can actually listen to this one. Yeah. And I was under body and the cars were above us. So a lot of the times I had to keep my arms up majority of the time and I would get really like nauseous. I'd get fatigued and I'd feel like. Okay. So you went and found a job that worked for you. Yeah. Now Starbucks is going to be very much on the feet not as manual as yeah obviously car manufacturing i used to work at starbucks yeah but you've developed the autoimmune disease yeah yeah um so you didn't have that no or at least is extremely when you initially worked at starbucks yeah so what's different now um well i would be only working like a few hours a week like maybe like four days a week okay so you think income's your biggest problem yeah and also no well it's my spending it's my spending oh how much did you spend in this most recent month oh i'm gonna guess probably 2000 is that is that right i'm 3 800 dollars how though how do you even not know this how do people not know this this this will forever blow my mind forever blow my mind because you have decided in your life right now that income is your problem you've decided that in order to decide that if i were to go if i were to go decide that income is my problem because i can't keep up with expenses i would know what my expenses are yeah but you don't even know what went out this last month i don't so how in the world are you able to determine that it is an income problem and not a spending problem um i guess i can't i didn't so what is this going to solve this starbucks isn't going to catch up to that it's not going to double your income no but i i am i've realized that i have a problem and there's good gonna be a solution like i'm gonna go to therapy because that's offered also through my employee my current employer okay so you've realized there's a problem yeah yeah why am i not seeing anything addressed in these statements then um because i only recently everyone only decides they have a problem about two hours before they come on the show that wasn't It was like maybe like two weeks ago.
9:18Okay. Nuh-uh. Not in your statements. So what's going to change from this conversation? I'm going to get the resources and I have more drive. The resources? What resources? The ones that we'd give? I guess. Well, yeah. We give you the budgeting program and the investing program, which are bundled at a lower price here now. And I definitely support that. But that's educational tools. Those are tools. It's your actions still that are required. It's not a magic pill. I'm not a magic pill. This conversation is not a magic pill. Sure. No, of course. You still have to go in. you got to put in the action got to stick to the discipline got to build your budget got to manage your budget got to look at your budget on a monthly basis got to see what you're adapting in the next month in order to continue to improve it and stick to it the class is not a magic pill no no just like getting education you can go and sit in a class if you don't participate if you don't take the quizzes if you don't actually put in the actions after it it's nothing i understand that yeah and i'm not i'm not saying it's a magic pill or like a band-aid over a bullet wound but I'm pretty much it also just gives me like an insight and I do need the tough love approach for sure yeah no I get that so do I that's what works for me I don't know why people out there get upset by it like don't come on the show I mean thank you for being here because you know what works for you but also don't come on the show if it doesn't work for you instead of trying to be offended on other people's behalf like a weird mother people are weird but if you do want to come on the show Calebhammer.com slash apply it's a good place check it out highly recommend it all right where do you think you are on your financial scale zero being the worst 10 being the best um i'm gonna say zero i did take the the financial score and i got zero um uh that makes sense if you want that scores in the description as well uh but i do have the the house so the i have a house you own a home kind of it's rent to own but i'm not really living there what what the okay we were about to go to your finances what the are you talking about okay first so because now what the how do you not live in a house that you own so i had an uh a partner back where i moved from so corpus uh okay and uh we were like engaged and we were gonna like engaged okay we were engaged um yeah and uh i didn't want to stay in corpus anymore so it's one of the reasons why I moved to Austin and we broke up amicably.
11:43Okay. Why'd you guys break up? Going from engaged to breakup, that's pretty big. It is. I wanted to do something more. And in Corpus, you really... To move? Yeah, I wanted to move. So you had to break up to move? Yeah. He wasn't willing to leave Corpus? No, because he has a job that he likes there, but I didn't want to stay there anymore the job overcame a marriage yeah wow okay and also we weren't in the best financial situation either so yeah still yeah um and i'm just kind of tired of living like that so that's why i want to fix this so how does this mean you own it so you did you guys buy a home together yes sorry we started renting like one of those trailer homes which isn't the best investment either it was renting yeah it was rent it was like you were renting a trailer yes a trailer home yeah and a trailer park yeah so it's not even on like our own property or anything and the so you rent the unit and then you also rented the land or was it all baked into one kind of there was two payments that we had to make and one was significantly smaller which was a lot rent so yeah you're renting but you didn't own it no but we're buying the technically we are buying the the house itself does that make sense house you mean the trailer yeah the trailer itself no it doesn't you guys are instead of renting you're now borrowing yeah you're gonna take out a loan to get it yes we're renting to own i don't know the oh rent to own yeah that's okay yeah I tried to get out of it.
13:21I did. I tried to get my name out of it. But so it's pretty crazy. He's not willing to like whatever. BJ's Wholesale Club makes holiday hosting so easy. We called in Thanksgiving's original host to talk about it. Pilgrim here. We could have used BJ's back in the day. Imagine stepping off a boat, then foraging for your first Thanksgiving. It's a whole new world now. BJ's brings Thanksgiving right to your door with free same day delivery on your first order of$100 or more. We're talking turkey, squash, pies, all at prices so good they'll knock the buckle right off your hat. For terms, visit BJ's.com slash Thanksgiving and get the same great savings online as in Club.
14:00What's the return of refinancing there would be to get you off of it and him permanently on it? Well, I don't think he has the greatest credit either. So I don't think the... Rent to own? Yeah. What's the... Okay, what's the terms of this? Like 30 years. Because I don't have the debt for this. Yeah. 30 years, so it's like a mortgage. It is. Yeah. I'm trying to get my name taken off of it. What's the rent? The rent is like$1 ,200. No, it's not. It is. Is this even decent? It was. Yeah. No, it is. It is. It is. That's not cheap. Yeah. That's not cheap. It's not. For 30 years baked in. And it's in corpus.
14:47Interest? or is that baked in? I think it's baked in. I'm not exactly sure though because I don't have the statements. I asked for it. Yeah, why didn't you get statements? I asked for it, but he's not able to get them to me. Why? He's working like a double today. So he's not. You only tried today. We've been in conversation for a while to get you on the show. I didn't know until like yesterday. That you were renting to own? Yeah, I thought he, okay, so we tried to take my name off this. What the f*** is happening, dude? Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. I'm waiting. so basically i tried getting him to okay i don't want to give too much information about him because he's not in my life really that sure um so i tried asking him if he could get me the documents over the weekend yeah um because i only found out about this like recently because we originally were supposed to get my name taken off of the the contract sure but when i asked the original landlady had passed away.
15:45Okay. And I thought he was going to go ahead and get with the new landlady so we can start this whole process of getting my name taken off. Why hasn't he? I don't know. Tell him to f***ing roll a pair. Man up a little. Put in a little bit of effort. I will let him know. Well, how is you guys' relationship? We're friends. We're friends. Okay. How long have you been pushing to get off? Eight months. oh okay he needs to become a big boy yeah is it rent to own through the owner or is it rent to own through a third party it's through the through the trailer park so i guess the owner wow yeah this is wild yeah can are you guys able to like sell your rent to own to someone else i don't think he wants to because that's his property he wants to stay not even he doesn't even own the land.
16:39He owns four cheap walls. Yeah. What was the price of this? 30 something? 30 ,000? Yeah. That's why I want to get off. Yeah. I don't want to be on it anymore. Just because I... Do I even need to tell you? You don't... You can. Just to say it. Because I know it's already a situation. You guys are going to spend... Again, I don't have it here. I do not have the terms here. But according to everything you've told me, it's going to cost you$432 ,000. That's crazy. According to everything you told me, unless the rental goes down, does the rent go down over the course? I do believe so. Okay. Well, that changes it.
17:26Because right now, I mean, you're paying half the value of it in rent a year. Well, I'm not paying for it. Like, none of my money goes towards that house. But what happens if he misses a payment? You're on it, aren't you? Yes. Okay. That'll f*** you. Yeah. You know for a fact that it's 30 years. I don't. You don't know anything about this. I was trying to get the lease and it's been over five years since I've been on this. Because, I mean, that is completely different. Yeah. It is completely different in terms of, okay, pay monthly rent, additional amount that goes, building a down payment for the home, potentially.
18:06well they just accumulate equity over time monthly rent to own agreement is usually higher than the standard rent due to the additional payment you have maintenance responsibilities option fee at the start of the agreement the tenant usually pays an upfront fee known as the option fee which is between one to seven percent of the purchase price and it was only thirty thousand dollars it's a trailer they milked you i know that's why i was so surprised when i heard twelve hundred a month yeah it's a three bedroom two bath wow living in luxury there's nothing wrong with living in that at all no but doing this to do so yeah it's like the worst thing we could ever do yeah according to everything you've told me that's wild okay the typical is one to five years i don't know i i honestly couldn't tell you why'd you give me 30 because that would have been insane because I think it was like a ridiculous can I get him on the phone I can try but I think he's at work right now you want to just send him a text real quick yeah because even if it's five years it's$72 ,000 for a$30 ,000 thing so I just want more information on this because I know you're not paying it right now right is that what you said okay but if he doesn't for whatever reason that falls on me yeah and I don't want that to fall on me death even yeah you know something even extreme like that I just have to turn on my phone okay then you can text him um wow it's pretty crazy um and that's kind of one of the reasons i i wanted to make sure and i completely so what happens when the term is done he just wants to keep it forever yeah something that's going down in value on land he doesn't even own how does that make sense and that means you just can't like you're on the deed of this yeah i want to give you free money right now i've partnered with different resources that will literally give you hundreds of dollars the moment you sign up for them check out my investing app of choice Moomoo, where they give you up to 15 free stocks and 8.1 % interest on your uninvested cash when you sign up with my link.
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20:36So don't pass up the free money because I'll punch you if he sells it. Okay, what's the agreement then if he's paying for all the payment right now? Do you get anything? He sells it? I Even if we wanted to move it off of that in the trailer park, I guess, it would be like $10 ,000 to$20 ,000 to move. I think that's the average amount to move a trailer home. We've looked into it when we were engaged. Okay. Yeah. Let's get into these statements. Okay. And we'll see if we can get in touch with him so we can learn more about that because that's sanity. Can I go ahead and text him? Yes. Okay. You have a Capital One Walmart card.
21:17I do. balance on here 737 dollars and 41 cents not the most insane credit card balance but i know higher cost of the living state and obviously you spend double what you make what minimum payment 263 dollars whoa that doesn't make sense interest charge it's because you're over the limits you're over the limit by two two hundred dollars how are you over the limits right now dude what is happening why don't you at least pay your minimums if you pay your minimums you're not going to go over the credit card limit you'll make a little bit of progress even if not that much progress but you'll make a little bit of progress so what are we doing i lost my job what so i lost my job when like it was it was a temporary job it was like a temp position when it was like three months ago okay i was out of work for a month and i was i was applying okay i was applying like it was my full-time job good i like that yeah so now a few months have passed why have we not at least caught up on the minimum because they got charged off because i wasn't able to make payments for a while i was only making the bare minimum to like sustain life pretty much so are you saying this has this been given to collections it has this has um if if not What's your credit score now?
22:39It's not great. That's not a number. It's like low 600s, high 500s. Oh, f*** me. It's bad. It's bad. At 27? Yeah, I kind of f***ed myself tremendously. I think we have some of the credit karma in here. Mm-hmm. Well, this is insane. So you know for sure this has been given to collections, sold off the collections. I know one of them has, I think it's the Quicksilver. I don't think it's that one. So it's not this one? So is that even this one? No, I have a couple of credit cards. Are you waiting for this to go to collections or what's your plan here? What are we even attempting? You've made money.
23:15Not a huge amount of money, but you've made money over these past couple months. Yeah. And we haven't even attempted to catch up on it. So why? Well, I've been in a couple tough situations. Is that true? What percentage of your spending, which by the way, that spending was double what you come in. Actually, fine. How about this? What percentage of your income? Income did you spend going out to eat? Income. Income. What percentage of your income? Can you tell me? Are you able to give me a little, just a little hint? 35%. You say 35%. Which, I mean, that's insane that that even came out of your mouth.
23:56But you're close. 27. How is 35 or 27 anywhere acceptable? When you have payments, you could have made three times this minimum monthly payment. on your going out to eat. Going out to eat three times your ketchup minimum monthly payment. And then the normal minimum monthly payment is probably like 40 bucks. Yeah. So what the f***? This was a choice. This was a personal choice. It was. This isn't... That's not an income thing. That's not an income thing. That's not an income thing. You spent more than a quarter of your take-home pay going out to eat. Hi. I'm here to pick up my son Milo. There's no Milo here.
24:33Who picked up my son from school? streaming only on Peacock I'm gonna need the name of everyone that could have a connection you don't understand it was just the five of us so this was all planned what are you gonna do? I will do whatever it takes to get my son back I honestly didn't see this coming these nice people killing each other All Her Fault a new series streaming now only on Peacock an income thing an income thing I have people that just freak out and they're like, wah, Caleb, incomes are just poo, poo, poo, and people can't just even survive. And for some people, that is true. And for those people, I give them different kind of advice.
25:18For you, you spent 25 % on going out to eat. It's completely different. Yes. So what the f*** are you doing? There's no responsibility. No, there's, there, it's a discipline problem, um, for sure. And then on top of that. Then Why has that not been addressed? If you can recognize it, I will never understand that. You can come here and you can say, I recognize it and that's why I'm here for help. That does not work for me. It doesn't because you have been doing this even at a time of knowing it's wrong. So why has there been no change? Why have you not put any actions into it and waited for this exact moment?
25:58Because if I don't know a little bit of insights in how you're living your life, how are we going to create a conversation create a plan that is actually going to work for you and get you to a good position so why have you done nothing even though you recognize that it is bad so it kind of ties into the reasons why i got the credit cards um so when i first started moving or when i moved up here i was i was dating around a little bit and i was actually making a decent decent income and i wasn't like worried about it okay um but then i met my ex we just like kind of new ex after the ex-fiancé yeah yeah a new ex um you just broke up you said we broke up two months ago okay i'm sorry to hear that it's for the better honestly um that's what every ex says uh so so basically he made more than i did he made two times as much as i did maybe three sure um and he constantly like told me about how his his ex was like always asking him for louis vuitton bags and everything else and i was trying not to be like a gold digger but i wasn't making enough how would you be a gold digger because i didn't want to like constantly like rely were you asking for louis vuitton bags no no so how would you be a gold digger i wanted to be able to contribute a little bit more sure okay i get that because i like i like the idea of 50 50 but our 50 is that why you said you say that's why you opened your credit cards though yeah because i was like buying christmas presents and birthday presents but you weren't contributing you were just putting if you guys had a future which obviously now we know you didn't no uh if you did though you were just putting both of you deeper in a hole it was more myself he didn't really yes if you guys were together though if you were going into debt if that partnership was to last yeah you wouldn't have been contributing you were putting the future yourselves in a worse position yeah uh and i realize that now because even looking while i was getting all my statements and stuff i realized the majority of this was was like spending on like food to go out to eat together because i didn't always want to make him pay or I was getting like little things for us and like paying for things.
28:13Like I think I put ACL tickets. So you thought that if you covered things instead of him, that you were just like a gold digger sugar baby? No. Like he's not. But you weren't begging for things or asking for things. You're just. No, but I also didn't. Just getting a meal. I just didn't want him to like feel like he kept. I didn't want to burden him. Did he suggest in any way whatsoever that he thought you were taking advantage of his financial position? No, not really. Okay. I don't think so. I wasn't trying to. No, I know, but then I get the concern. It's just maybe an overreaction, especially if you have to go into debt for it.
28:56Listen, you're not a credit card person. No. I need to be as clear as possible. It doesn't matter that you're not. Your credit score is 544. Oh. Terrendous. That is all. It's disgusting. It's vomit. Use the Fizz card or a charge card like it if you're going to use cards. Okay. That's the kind of cards you can use. You cannot use a traditional card. You can't have access to money. You blow it up. Then you don't spend. No, you blow it up. Then you don't even put payments on it. Then interest accrues. And then you allow it to go$200 over the credit limit. The credit limit on here was$550. You're$737.
29:30You didn't make a payment. Who would have fucking thought? and then$19.91 of interest. Minimum monthly payment is probably$40, but right now it's at$263 because you've got to catch up. Okay, now you mentioned why you've gotten to the credit card, so you didn't really answer my question, and I'll be a little more specific. Why in the world, why in the entire world is you going out to eat three times more important than this minimum monthly payment mathematically? Why? There is no reason. That's nope, nope. Nope. There will be an answer. Okay.
30:10There is still something in there whether or not you fully recognize it or not. Okay. Is that what it is? So it's the want. It's the want of nice things. That's going out to eat though. It's not even nice things. Yeah, but I like restaurants. Okay. Okay. I do like food. I'm kind of a foodie. Probably not. Probably shouldn't be for a while. Well, obviously. Yeah. You can't afford to be a foodie. No, but that's kind of how my ex and I bonded. We would go over to restaurants, and then I would pay one date, and then we would go on another date, and then he would pay. No offense. You guys broke up.
30:41I don't think you can sustain that. Oh, no. That's not exactly what I want to do anymore. Or it's time to actually start going on those other dates and only have them pay for it, because that might be the only way you're able to afford a restaurant. People get triggered when I suggest that. I more mean that as a joke. I don't like doing that just because I don't like. Other people paying for food? What do you mean? Oh, like dates? I just don't like people. I don't like giving off that impression. Oh, I know. It's just a personal thing. More of a joke. Yeah, no, I get you. I get you. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I always pay on the first date.
31:19I think traditionally dudes usually pay on the first date. They don't have to. No, they don't. I mean. Okay. $737 it's ridiculous it is never mind it's not the worst one I'm sorry 32.24 % interest rate okay did you go to college? no I did I did but like I dropped out it was like family issues how many semesters did you do? I think I did two two semesters in what where those that mostly gen eds yeah it was mostly gen eds did you want to go to college um I do I've been thinking about it but I mean with the financial situation that I'm in right now I don't think it's probably the smartest decision yeah maybe it depends on how you go about it because again mathematically we can work out you know for some of these 30 % interest rates you know maybe not but if you could you know 2x your income via some community college and maybe a local state college yeah we might be able to mathematically in a way suggest that it is a better return on your investment sure if we go from 20 to 40 yeah i don't know what did you want to study what did you want to do well i do like I was undecided for a really long time I was thinking classic yeah okay yeah I was thinking tech and then I was just like probably oversaturated at this point in time the job market's a little harder but um but I do like what I'm doing now which is like accounts payable okay so in the world of accounting yeah how about this uh I'll gift you an accounting certification that you can go through for course cruise okay go through that dip your toes in the water a little more that way and then maybe you can look at the full degree if that's something you like yeah yeah I think so Okay.
33:16That could be a way to boost our income. All right. Let's look at that. You know if you see Credit One. You know if you see Credit One, you're already kind of at the bottom of the barrel finances-wise. Credit One is like the most disgusting credit card you can get, borderline. Yeah. I don't like that. I wish I never opened it. Why'd you get this? Because I think it was actually the second one I got after the Walmart. What? This is your second credit card? Yeah. How'd you even find this in the mail, probably? Yeah. Yeah. I got fucked. Cut up the cards that come in the mail, people. Let me tell you.
33:52Why did you accept it when it showed up? I mean, yeah, you got fucked, but you fucked yourself, though. You signed up for it. You did this. And then you're also the one who didn't put a payment towards it. You are the one. We already know how much you spend going out to fight. $47 of fees. Interest,$17. Late fee. That was the$40. so again and then an annual fee i you didn't get yourself i understand the going on um getting off work thing first of all did you apply for unemployment without accounting yes and and i got like one month of it okay you were only off work for a month yeah so there's no reason then we should have missed payments yeah um with your spending that's why yeah you know if we went back time and we looked at okay maybe things were tight tighter and maybe you couldn't have fully made your payments maybe that's the case but i don't know based on your spending i don't believe that for a single second you're someone that just swipes their card yeah i i do i do i like also treating myself i didn't i shouldn't have you don't get sweet treats right now you don't i'm sorry it's just like literally mathematically you can you can if you want and then you just essentially prevent you for the rest of your life getting them yeah because you just continue down the cycle get worse and worse maybe go through bankruptcy get into some more debt and continue going this through the cycle never get a car that you want never get a home that you want never be able to get the vacation shopping is hard right but i found a better way Stitch Fix online personal styling makes it easy.
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37:05No, don't say that. I mean, that's what that is, though. No, I know, but I don't want it to be like that. It is like that right now. It doesn't have to be forever. No. And I'm going to call it as I see it, and that's what it is right now. That's fair. What's the f***ing on this? $500. And you're at... Oh, that was the previous balance. You're at$845.
37:30Pass due 202. Minimum is usually 82, it looks like. Okay. I think. But your actual minimum is 200. Actually, it looks like your normal minimum is about 40. But, of course, what you owe right now is 284 because you haven't been responsible. Listen, you lost a job, and that sucks, and I sympathize with that. And things, emergencies can happen. and people don't have emergency funds and they go into credit card debt. And that's when, once you get the job, once you have the ability to do so, you cut back on everything in order to pay it off. You got unemployment for the period that you were off work and I know how much money you spend on bullsh**.
38:14The thing is, right now, it's two$40 minimum monthly payments. I know you could have made$80 of payments. There's no excuse. You're just being an irresponsible child financially. Yes, I realize that now. Okay. Can I take a sip of water? Yeah. Okay. Please. Hydrate. Ally. Ally is usually either savings or car, and this is a car. You have a 2024? I do. Car? You? $20 an hour not making minimum monthly payments. How did you even get qualified for a loan? They ran it like six times. then Ally was the only one that accepted you huh yes because I originally had a um a loan through them for my Nissan how much did you trade in a Nissan for so I had to pay off 7 ,000 of it yes but what did you get for it I got 11 but I had to put seven towards my uh okay so you rolled over three thousand dollars equity yeah so you actually did make money on the nissan yeah you should not have sold that that made no sense if they were able to take it for 11 000 it was not in that position no a dealership taking it for 11 000 yeah all right well that's what i got for the insurance from my insurance because of all the damages the hail yeah you said the hail didn't the insurance didn't cover him no they did you told me sorry it was 11 000 that they gave me from the insurance and then that's what i so why didn't we get a 10 000 hour uh well okay so seven thousand dollars rolled over okay even still three thousand dollars down on a ten thousand dollar card what's the balance hold on this okay only three more days to reserve your spot in my free financial refresh challenge and as fun as this show is my ultimate goal is to spread financial literacy for five days i'll be sharing video lessons on financial topics that i normally don't get a chance to talk about on this channel get my tips on allocating your money cutting expenses, and creating long-term and actionable financial goals.
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41:08I don't give a fuck about the Nissan. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So the Nissan Altima had issues to begin with, and it was a used car that I got. You don't even know what the issues were. You said it was making a noise. Yes, but I didn't want to have any other maintenance issues. So we think new cars don't get maintenance issues. I bought my Jeep new when I drove my Jeep around. That battery died like once a year. Sucked. But that's cheap. It's not the biggest bill in the world. I know, but things can always happen with cars. You can get more reliable cars. You can get less reliable cars. I'll tell you what's reliable and unreliable.
41:42You making your payments is unreliable across every debt. and apparently on this one as well because you owe double the payment meaning i'm assuming oh and there's a late charge 31 so we can't even pay our car bill so yeah keep it tough for a few more months get it repoed and then you're just even more okay because then you don't even have your car and then they sell it at an auction and then you owe the difference between that and they probably don't even get something good from the auction so then you owe money on a car you don't even have and then you need another motor transportation because we live in a car infrastructure world what the what are you trying to do here what was your thoughts you bought this car okay i didn't want maintenance what was your plan um my plan was to stick with the job for as long as i could because that's when i was getting like 23 dollars an hour and three dollar difference i don't does not make this car affordable no it really does not it did it it did at the time when I was making payments.
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42:36I don't know, man. I missed one payment on it, and that was because it was during the transition period of me having an actual income. Now, mind you, the amount of your minimum monthly payment here of$624.69, which, of course, you owe$1 ,280. I paid it. You did? Yes, I swear. So you're updated on this? Yes. Okay, now you were behind on it for a month. Yeah. Now, mind you, that minimum monthly payment, is the amount of money you literally spent on going out to eat. Yeah, I'm not. So that's kind of a joke that you would ever miss this. Yes. You could grocery budget at$250 to$300 a month with meal prepping a couple times a week using the meal plan we have in our budgeting program, tweaking it to your needs.
43:26Sure. Totally. Yeah. I mean, how much did you also spend on groceries? I bet you still spent money on groceries, didn't you? I think so. There is definitely some. I bought groceries, too. Barely. It's 0.7%. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So how's the car? How's the car? This lovely car that you're driving now. Is it just great? It's great. But I did get sideswiped. Hold on. Sideswiped. Great. So now the value is even less. Leaving the domain. Hmm. KBB. Kelly Blue Book doesn't even accept your VIN. I don't know why. Well, we don't 100 % know what it's worth. on private market i mean we are seeing it listed between like 25 to 36 000 but with your side swiping i don't know but the thing is even if you could sell it for 20 000 hours and i don't know how you would borrow because i would want you to borrow 20 000 hours sell this for 20 000 hours use 10 000 hours for that to pay off the loan then use an additional 10 000 hours to get a 10 000 car.
44:29So what I would do is save you$10 ,000 in debt, which is a lot for you in your situation. But I don't know how you would qualify for any kind of loan. Do you know what the interest rate on this is? It's I think 12%. I'm going to kill myself. What? When did you get this? October of last year. Okay. October of last year, you saw 12%. You saw the minimum payment. You saw the overall thing. You're making 23 bucks an hour and you're like i can afford this yes that's what i was pretty much thinking was because i was like oh that paycheck you know paycheck's fine when did the symptoms start the symptoms of your autoimmune immune disorder oh um sorry you had to specify uh what other symptoms do you have december okay i thought you meant up the car i don't know why i just sorry gotcha that's and the term of this loan um seven years dude dude you've just you've really signed up to get just you're just you're everything right now there is not one thing we've looked at that i can see a bright side to i'm sorry this sucks no it sucks but it's also like everything so far has literally been your choice yes and i'm seeing there's been nothing put upon you here hail sure main it's the last car sure but you didn't take it to a mechanic we don't know if anything was wrong with it even at all it's like okay that was handed to you but you didn't need a 30 000 car no you didn't need a seven year 12 interest rate i didn't need to choose the first car i drove and you sure didn't need to get fast food over making your minimum payments you're living the life of a child right now yes to be as honest as possible oh my these really just keep going i see the word past due on this one as well you owe it all you owe it all the capital one quicksilver uh one thousand one hundred thirty five dollars and two cents and that's what you owe they they want their money I've only been past due Has any of the past dues Existed since before you got laid off Or since your temp ended I think one of them did See at that point that's where it wasn't You losing your job it wasn't it was your behavior The whole time if it was already Starting before then Yes So why'd you blame that Why'd you try to play victim on that instead of taking your responsibility For the one card The one card didn't have I didn't make the payments on it.
47:08Not with your spending. No, I know. Not with your spending. Is this the one in collections? There's a couple. But what is the status of this card today? It's closed. It's charged off. It's closed. It's closed, but has it been sold to collections? Yes. You know for a fact. I've been getting people calling me. From Capital One? From Capital One, from Citibank. That's not, it might be internal collections. that's not in a collections agency. We're going to have to look at your credit because you just don't know. I mean, it's accruing interest, so it wouldn't have been sold in collections at that point if it's accruing interest.
47:45Then I guess it hasn't been because I'm still able to access the account. Oh, guys, she made a$5 payment. Our entire financial situation has been saved. What was even the intent behind that? Never even, that's comedic. I don't have a reasoning for it. I'm sorry. I tried to, I think I was just paying like barely anything. Have you ever made a budget in your life? What is all that that you have written down there? You have things written. Yes. Sorry, I didn't mean to hit the table. There's like basically the amounts that I have, especially for the three statements that I wasn't able to give you.
48:23Or two statements I wasn't able to give you. There's more? There's two more. Two more what? What are they? Are they debts? Yes, they're credit cards. I wasn't able to get the statements from them because they were sending it through paper and I don't know why I asked them to send them through email and they were getting mad at me and I was like, dude, what? Oh my, there's more debt than we even know about.
48:47Yeah, they definitely did close this one.
48:5230.49 % interest and of course, yep. 29 bucks being charged. Afterpay. Wow, we're afterpaying. Okay, we're just really collecting every debt we can possibly get. Is there a payday loan somewhere? At least you avoided that. Is there like a debt shark loan somewhere? Is someone going to like break a leg? Okay, good. Those are like the next debts to take out.
49:18To Telescent Inc.? What is this for? Telescent Inc.? Could I see that? You're definitely right about your camera financial score. How do you not even know what it's for? How are you taking out debt and you don't know what it's for? Afterpay is not a long sitting debt. That's usually a quick turnaround. It's, it's, uh, you're going to yell at me. It's a perfume. Debt to smell good? Yeah. I don't want to be stinky. Are you stinky without perfume? No, no, no. But I want to smell extra good, you know? Smell like what? Smell like really good. Stop. I'm actually stress sweating. Don't. I don't smell.
49:54Don't smell me. No, I don't smell good or bad. Okay. Well. I don't think maybe I should return it then did you wear it today? I did it's Jimmy Choo do you smell my cologne? no I don't then we're both failing oh okay um no I know how much was this? $86 financing cologne financing$86 what are we doing with our life? when did you get this? a month ago your spending is out of control your discipline is out of control this is ridiculous Again, this really is tendencies of a child who just got access to tens of thousands of dollars. Yeah, that's why I'm going to take advantage of a therapist and actually talk to them about.
50:39That's good. They could probably. So, I mean, are you self-assessing some potential addiction issues? Is that what you're trying to say? I don't want to, like, say that. I think it's more just like I didn't. I'm not even going to put this debt in there because it's going to mature in about a week. and I already made another payment on it so I think there's only like I mean yes the therapist is great I encourage that for everyone and we'll put that in your budget but again therapy is one of those things almost like this conversation where people go to therapy and they fail at therapy all the time because they go there they sit there they do it and they don't do any work outside of therapy therapy is usually something you have to put in a lot of work outside of therapy that's a homework in your actual personal life so again if you go there saying this is me making the change you're not going to get anywhere you're going to need to put in the work and discipline still yeah and that's that's kind of where i want to because i have been living because of my spending it's been taking it's been like out of control where i've been living like paycheck to paycheck and like waiting for my next paycheck to hit my account you're not though you're not living paycheck to paycheck you're spending all your money on But I did say due to my spending.
51:50Okay. Okay. Let's not call that paycheck to paycheck, though, because that discounts people that are actually living paycheck to paycheck. You're not. I'm taking accountability and saying that because of my spending, that's the situation I put myself in. Good. And that's why I want to take the steps and do the work with therapists and working on my budget to actually get this. Well, we'll talk about the work here in a little bit. Okay. Apparently, we've got to keep going through that. Sorry. Text tag. Why are you going through tolls? You can't afford tolls. You don't need to go through tolls in Austin to get places.
52:23You really don't need to. It's fast. It's faster. It's faster. But you don't need to and you can't afford it. You're right. I stopped taking the tolls. I didn't take the tolls here. You didn't need to. We're not on a toll road. Nor near one. Okay, well, I haven't been taking the tolls this past week. Two weeks. Oh, this past week. Thank you. Okay. Great. Guys, I've been dieting for a week. I'm on a successful diet. That's not how that works. No, no, no. Wait, have you not been paying your tolls? You owe$1 ,425 to text tag? Yes. Oh, my. I'm so confused. You don't make any payments. You just don't make any payments.
53:09If you owe money, you don't pay it. You just don't. I'm so confused. You just don't make payments. Like, I don't know. We're going to have to do a total 180 here. Yeah. This isn't you making a change. It's a complete opposite. Because you literally do not make payments on anything. I'm blown away. How do we owe$1 ,425.40 on TexTag? When's the last time you've paid your tolls? When I worked at Tesla. When was that? Last year. You accumulated this much in a year? I was driving from Round Rock, like on the tolls, to get to Tesla. Oh, okay, that outer ring. Yeah, and I would have to go like super early in the morning.
53:58Frontage roads, frontage roads, stop lights, stop lights, slight delay, leave earlier, be an adult,$1 ,425. Are you out of payment plan or anything? Not that you would pay them anyway, but. I am going to start a payment plan. How much? I was probably going to do like$100 a month if I can. Okay. Or at least. Knowing you and just how you live your life, you're going to rack up$100 a month in tolls anyway. Auto pay. Huh? Auto pay. Yeah. You'll do$100 a month in tolls. And then you're still paying off your old tolls. I'm not going to take tolls anymore. Mm-hmm. On God. Yeah. Wait until you see like the amount of time you can save in rush hour.
54:40You're going to be on that toll road. okay what are these other debts because we're about to go into collection so what do we have for my city bank card i don't know the interest or the i guess is it the apr sure um i don't know that what's the balance 16 39 39 okay minimum monthly i don't know that probably like 40 bucks okay it's traditional credit card and then your other debt and are you behind on that It's charged off. It's sold to collections. It's sold to collections. You know for a fact. It should be on there, yes. Okay, next. The next one is the Amazon store card. That's a great card.
55:18I can't believe you ruined it. Yeah,$725.73. That's also charged off. And then I see, let's just, why did you miss$121 from Progressive? Because now that's in collections. Literally,$121 could have boosted your score significantly. like why allow yourself to have to play catch up your entire life okay so i can explain that i can explain that oh i didn't know that i thought okay so i originally had progressive right yeah with my nissan ultima oh sure i know back to the ultima um and 121 was my last payment and i thought they bundled it together with the other one that i just opened or like you know does that make sense why'd Because the monthly payment for that month was higher than the other ones.
56:08And I was like, oh, they just added the last payment. So you're saying you just forgot to pay this? It wasn't on auto pay? That one wasn't on auto pay. But my progressive is now. Yeah, I don't think you can live off auto pay. I don't think you're disciplined enough for that. Not yet. Not yet. You still can be, but just not yet. Okay. So that's why that collection. Penn Foster. What the f*** was that? That was my school. Why do you owe money to them? And why didn't you pay? Because I, um, it was one of my school loans, I guess. Through the school? Yeah, through the school. Um, that, I, I didn't pay because I honestly forgot about it.
56:53I know that was a reason, but. You just, you don't pay anything. You really don't. The woman who pays no bills. That could sound good. Could mean you don't have any bills. you literally just don't pay the bills that you have. I should put that on your hinge. The woman who doesn't pay her bills. Let me see your credit card because I don't see those other ones on those two pages I had. The credit card? Yeah. Open up the app for me. Okay. And start a screen recording if you can. We'll also just not include anything that isn't relevant anyway. I think I have to download it. Okay. 540. It's crazy. Let's see your debt.
57:31No. Oh, those others haven't gone to collections. Okay, so. Not yet. They're closed. They are closed. They don't want you to be able to spend more money. Of course not. But, yeah, just the two things in collections is the ones that we saw. Yeah. I mean, your credit score, it really sucks to see. Well, hold on. Department of Education, the advantage. You have student loans too? Yeah, that was the student loans that I took when I lived in Florida. Guys, accidents happen. And when your pet gets really sick, it can be a financial nightmare. From eating something they shouldn't to serious illness like cancer, the vet bills can add up fast.
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58:52For f***s sake, how much more debt do you have? Um, that's it. How much in student loans? um the balances are increasing so that means you're not paying for them meaning you're either not paying for them like you like to do or you're on like a deferment or income base a deferment um i think it was how much 6 000 total you think yeah i'd get on income base for that interest is gonna accrue at some point some kind of forgiveness maybe down the road and after you make those payments for like what is it like 10 in 20 years but even still it depends on the administration 8 ,000 no 7 I want to say is max 7 ,000 so I don't know but okay checking account 130 dollars okay that's scary got an adobe subscription to microsoft subscription starbucks they're supposed to give you money not you going to them snooze that's expensive you can't afford that 18 bucks pop shelf amazon 50 bucks there 40 bucks to amazon 14 to starbucks nine dollars to barnes and noble we have a great library here in austin maybe go to it more starbucks coffee secret level stand alamo restaurant oh is that secret level stand 20 bucks uh 40 i don't know what that is then we know six dollars and 22 cents target never really know if that's groceries or whatever because you can get anything there.
1:00:22Ross Stores, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon. Another subscription, Sonic Drive-In, Amazon. Affirm, so you're affirming as well. I didn't have a statement for that. I paid it off. Yeah, never do it again. Gotcha. You just can't. You live your life on minimum monthly payments. You just can't. Amazon, Starbucks, Target again. We don't know. Chick-fil-A, Starbucks, More Target, TikTok Shop. TikTok Shop! Two TikTok Shops,$23.51 each. What are you getting from TikTok Shop? You can't get anything from TikTok Shop. What are you getting? It was stuff for my cat. Fuck your cat. Oh, whoa. Not really. But like they don't destroy too much other than furniture and carpets.
1:00:59I don't want him to scratch the carpet. So I bought him a toy. I know. But like with cats, you can usually typically get a toy and it will last for quite a while. Unlike a dog that will like chew through a toy immediately. Yeah. So no more spending on that. The cat food, I understand. Pen insurance, I understand. That's it. No toys. Well, no more. No more. More coffee. World Market Ross. Ross. You go to Ross a lot. Bridgerton tea. It was an event here in Austin. Yeah, it was$40. So you're literally not making your payments on things. Like, I don't really give a shit at an event. You're not making your payments.
1:01:32You're not getting Bridgerton tea. I don't care. Are you kidding me? Cash mapping out 60 bucks. In and out. At least get real food. Bath and body works. More coffee. Better be good because you go there every day. Target. Nothing. Bunt cake. Great. Pluckers. That's expensive. Happy birthday, grandma. Maybe your granddaughter is going to actually live a life where she's not dying under a bridge. Happy birthday. We're going to pay off debt. That kind of. Yeah. No, it sucks. And it'll hurt them even more than not getting the Bundt cake. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I didn't have to. They told me I didn't have to, but I felt obligated.
1:02:13You could have also just made a cake. That's true. I do like baking and cooking, but I just, I haven't. hey whoa let me go off like legitimately this is so stupid it is if you actually enjoy that like for what it's worth when i was budging getting out of debt trust me i much prefer to eat out than cook i hate cooking i hate doing dishes i hate that but guess what when i was going out of debt i made my sacrifice and i did it for multiple this is a real good story about bronx and his dad ryan real united airlines customers we were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Captain Andrew.
1:02:49I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age. That's Andrew, a real united pilot. These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain. Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever. That's how good leads the way. Years to do it. And guess what? Now I can afford to go out to eat and I can budget it in. So I do. But you already like to cook. So just cook is less of a sacrifice for you than it would be for other people that hate cooking. So I'll do it again. Island Storm, Amazon, Netflix, Uber Eats.
1:03:29You can't afford Uber Eats. Nutrition is essential. $104. Starbucks. Starbucks. I mean, you love burnt coffee. Target. Burlington Stores. Starbucks. IHOP. Nothing but cake. was it their birthday again it was my grandpa's birthday they're like a week apart well apparently one of them mattered more than the other ones because that one was four dollars the other one was 20 oh no no no no no that was a okay never mind i know what that is it was a buy one get one free coffee waves target another subscription applebee's hinge oh she's a hinge premium girl not anymore i canceled it you wouldn't even have to as like the i think usually like the women on dating apps are like the product and then the men are the customer like i know it's crazy right but like it's that's how it's like built it's like a play to win yeah like as guys you have to like pay to like get the roses and be on the you know you got to like boost yourself to actually be there for the swiping it's kind of wild um like but you're lucky enough to be in a position where I don't think because of your that you have to pay for hinge.
1:04:42Congratulations. You won that game. People finders? Who are we finding? An ex? Maybe. Are you from Minnesota? That was a very Minnesota. No, I'm from Chicago. Oh, okay. That's close enough. So you're going to see a couple of those subscriptions. We're fine then. Are you vetting the hinge dates before you... Actually? Yeah. You know, that's really not the worst idea. I, okay, I went on a date with a guy who was married, and I didn't want to deal with that again, so I, yeah. It's really not the worst idea. A lot of people have had bad experiences that are less than safe, so that's actually not the worst idea.
1:05:20I'd rather you be safe than. Yeah, I don't want to be murdered. Safe and getting out of debt a little slower versus dying? Sure. There's a serial killer in Austin, but he targets men, so you're safe. I heard that, yeah. Thanks, I guess. You won that game again. keep winning all the games you just don't win the apparently you don't win the intelligence game either because you pay for snapchat and who the f**k pays for snapchat oh I it was a you restored a streak didn't you yeah it was stupid that's a joke I shouldn't have done that oh$25 for people finders there wow how many people are you vetting it was the subscription no you know what we're gonna get Get more into the drama of the hinge life and the dating scene.
1:06:07And we'll get someone to review your profile and all that stuff. It'll be great. We'll do that in the post show because we're going to stick to finances here. And we'll do the juicy stuff in the post show. Oh, God. Okay. Culinary drop of that place is$85. It was for a friend's birthday. The place isn't even good. It's kind of crappy. Starbucks concessions. Great. More Adobe. Sweet Paris. I like the waffles there, but you get a half waffle for like$20. It's kind of crazy. Yeah, it's just way overpriced. And then Macy's. You get shows. You get... Not shows. You just get clothes and you go out to eat every second of your life.
1:06:45This is bull****. And then, yeah,$248 in your 401k. That you're probably going to withdraw. No, I'm not. Okay. Okay. I'm just not based on, like, your literal entire existence. So, like, I don't know. You also spent... So,$614 going out to eat. But then miscellaneous bullshit, just stopping and swiping your card and things that are just nothing,$420. So there you go. You could have made many more minimum monthly payments with that. And then other large purchases,$215. The other large purchases were Secret Level Stand, The Code Academy, Venmoing Out Money, Cash App Out Money, and Corsa? Corsa? Coursera.
1:07:27Coursera, yeah. Yeah, it was because I was thinking about doing a tech certification. That's why you did the Code Academy as well? Yeah. But you said you're not doing tech, though. No, because I was thinking about it, and then I started doing it, and then I was talking to a friend, and they're like, it's super oversaturated right now, and you're probably not going to get a good position. It's interesting. Whether it's oversaturated or job market, it's an interesting conversation. There was just a lot of hiring in the pandemic when money was cheap and there was also a lot of competition to get the best talent at different areas.
1:08:04Typically where the big competition is being able to negotiate pay raises and open positions in the tech market, but for very, very highly skilled and experienced individuals in the world of AI right now. But even we're starting to see that get cut back as well. So you're right. I mean, the tech market is more competitive. It doesn't mean it's a market that you're not going to be able to make a living in for an entirety of a career. So, I mean, if that's something you're interested in, and I would still pursue it if that's what you're interested in. It sounds like you like the accounting side, though.
1:08:29I don't know. I didn't realize I liked the accounting side until I started working at, like, the job I'm working at now. Okay. So, I mean, you spent$1 ,200 on bulls. Just about. Just got a cut down on that bulls. That's$1 ,200. It's half your income. That's 40 % of your income. Cutting back, that's not cutting back. That's going crazy. That's a lot of bulls. It is. Whether or not you can go from$1 ,200 a month to zero is my big concern. But we're going to make you a budget and at least where you can start sticking to. Your rent is what? It's$900. I'm subleasing from a friend. It's not bad. Utilities?
1:09:17Included. That's incredible. Internet? Also included. That's beyond incredible. Take advantage of this while you can. Yeah, this started recently. So that's also another thing that happened with the job transition is that I moved out from my ex's place to. You were living with the most recent ex? Yes. We moved in. You didn't. You just like how long are you guys dating? A year and a half. Oh, OK. I guess that the break of the engagement was longer ago than I thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. I was very confused. You didn't get a horrible rent to own with your ex either. He bought his own house. I was just living there and paying rent.
1:09:54You're not on the mortgage, are you? No. God, no. Okay. So you like to do that. No. Okay. Your payroll,$2 ,235. I'm getting paid weekly, by the way. Doesn't really change how we're budgeted. That's fine. I just wanted to make sure. So gas, electric, utilities, rent is insurance? No. I would get it. Okay. Do you know any ones that are decent? Lemonade's good. Lemonade, okay. That's what I used. I'm going to put$10 a month there. It might be like$15. gas room room drive drive how much 140 cool car insurance uh 157 okay it's not horrendous your debt minimum monthly payments again those other ones are not charged off so i need to put like 40 next to them okay 40 i don't know what to do for the quick silver because you kind of just owe the whole package right now yeah so what your normal minimum monthly payments and this isn't going to be exact because i'm having to do some guessing based on the fact that you owe a ridiculous amount just to catch up but you're likely at somewhere around 884 dollars and 69 cents which is insane for your income i mean that's crazy that's 40 of your income and then you go and spend more than that on bullshitting out to eat you probably have 15 of your income left and then you still have to make a$900 rent?
1:11:18Are we really surprised you're spending double? No. Or not making your payments? The rent is split up to two payments a month. But it's still$900, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't care. We're doing your month. What's your phone bill? I get it through my family. Good. Good. Do helium when you get your own for$20 a month. Okay. TP, find anything else you need to survive. This is makeup. This is whatever. $100 a month,$300 for groceries. and uh do you have like ongoing oh okay yeah therapy what's gonna be your copay i don't actually know yet but i was trying to do better help okay well they don't do insurance oh through them as far as i know you do something more like sondermind they connect you with therapists can i get that like written down somewhere can i write it down sondermind yeah okay uh you don't know what your co-pays for specialists are on your health insurance you haven't looked um my co-pay is like 30 no for specialists oh for specialists 60 okay it'll probably be something like 60 could be more could be less it depends on your insurance okay how many do you want do you want to see it weekly or bi-weekly probably bi-weekly okay possible i'll put it in 120 for now we'll see okay you have pet insurance for your cat i don't old is your cat he's one 35 bucks a month could It'd save you a lot of money.
1:12:39Yeah, because that was actually one of my questions. How much for cat food? Ooh, I'm going to say$60. Because I get wet food too. I spoil him. I can't speak on the health of the cat. I just don't think you should have got a pet until you can afford one. Well, I don't want to take away something that might be considered necessary. I haven't had a cat in a while. He is my ESA. He's your ESA? Mm-hmm. And you're why he's going to be homeless soon. no don't say that that's why I want to fix this I want you to fix it as well unfortunately at this point you're$500 below it wasn't an income problem it was a spending problem but you spent yourself into an egregious amount of debt and now you have no choice but to make more income so it's a combination now of income and spending it wasn't an income problem your spending problem got you to the income problem so you're right you have to work this part-time job you're negative 571 dollars and 69 cents you need to literally make that much after taxes just to break even uh it's harder to give you a debt payoff strategy without knowing exactly how much is coming in i would shoot for a minimum bringing an extra thousand hours a month net that's so much easier said than done you really probably need to work 70 hours a week yeah 80 hours a week even which is unsustainable for a certain period of time it's like a unique human who can do that ongoing because you probably need to make an extra 2 000 a month net and that's basically doubling your work and especially if you get a 15 an hour job or whatever like yeah you're gonna have to work minimum 40 at that but the thing is in order to just even catch up on your minimum payments, you kind of have no choice but to do that at least for a couple months.
1:14:34And even if you only then cut back to like an extra 30 hours a week, which is still insane, and you make like an extra$1 ,500 net, then you only have$1 ,000 to put towards debt. And without getting rid of the key, and we couldn't even get the value of that, without getting rid of the key, I mean, that itself takes 30 months to pay off. And that's a horrendous interest rate. We can't keep that there. And you're just at the beginning of a seven year thing, then who knows what happens if your ex-fiancee, you know, bails and you all of a sudden have to start paying that. If you don't, this is a mess.
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1:15:54Well, after catching up on your minimum monthly payments, which is going to cost also a couple thousand dollars because you're so far behind. About a thousand dollars. No, a couple thousand dollars because you have the Quicksilver. And then it takes like six months. And then with the Kia, I would try to check the value, see what you can get for private market. Okay. But you also need a car and you need to see what you can qualify for in any kind of loan. Yeah. But if possible, what would save you an extra 10 months of work based on your hopeful income is literally, again, borrowing the difference if you can sell for 20 and then getting$10 ,000 for a car.
1:16:36But if you can sell for more, I don't know, based on just what was going for sale there online. But you got sideswiped. I don't know. I don't know what you can get for it. It might be like$20 ,000 and you might have to do that little configuration. listen one thing that might be worth focusing on is getting that accounting certification building up your resume the best you can and trying to find an accounting job seeing if we can get closer to 25 30 an hour let me look up some median statistics yeah for entry level accountants in Austin, it's$24.70 an hour. And then you'll be able to get up to$30 pretty quickly over the course of a couple of years or so.
1:17:25And that honestly might even be... If we're able to just make minimum monthly payments... Sorry, I'm really trying to think through this. This is a complicated puzzle of a situation. Because the 30 % interest rate on so many of those debts, the extra five hours an hour isn't going to make up for that in terms of return on our investment so i think what you have to do unfortunately is aim to bring in that extra 1500 bucks a month 2000 bucks a month by working 30 to 40 hours a week extra which is insane and with your health issues i don't know if you even can um but also at the same time getting the certification in accounting then once you get that literally building resume practicing interview skills trying to get a 25 to 30 dollar an hour job in the world of accounting in austin it's going to be more entry level closer to the 25 switch to that when you can and then still try to bring in that extra 1500 hours a month but when you do that if you're able to somehow maintain that while also cutting back to zero which again that is and despite what some people say i know is unsustainable for a long period of time i talk about temporary sacrifice and give people stretch goals and no room here and there but you're just not able to afford to survive right now so it's It's like you would have to cut back to zero, work 70 to 80 hours a week while getting the certification, while applying for jobs to get the better income.
1:18:43And it still takes three to four years to do this and get an emergency fund. So this is going to be a tough road ahead. This is going to be a tough road ahead. This is what you got into, though. This is what you got into. And the thing is, the reason why it's going to take so long to pay off is the Kia. Yeah. The thing is, if you didn't have the Kia, a lot of this credit card debt, though you're behind and it's kind of gross how you've been doing it, the balances are low enough that we could get out of this in a year and a half if we really grind out. Sure. So I might, honestly, I might call a dealership today and see what you can get for a trade-in.
1:19:25Really? I really might. If we can get rid of this for even$25 ,000 and borrow$15 ,000, you need to see if you can qualify for$15 ,000. Get a car and pay off the difference. okay that's gonna speed this up tremendously almost by twice student loans i'd get eventually once all this debt has gone on i'd get on a traditional 10-year payment and pay it off within that and minimum payments while saving up for an emergency fund but this car is going to be what's holding you back so the quicker we can get rid of that somehow okay the better if you're able to private sale it or trade it in for 25 000 yeah that'd be incredible i i don't know what the value is again they were listed from anywhere from 25 to 35 000 and dealerships here.
1:20:05Yeah, but I don't know what you could get for it. Probably not. $35, obviously. No. Exactly. If you can get it for$25, I don't know. I need you to make some calls after this. There's going to be some work that needs to get in. Yeah, no, of course. And obviously the discipline side of things. But even still, for you, the car is kind of the solution here. And it also opens up a tremendous amount of your income,$624 of it. And I will say I do regret getting the Kia because my Nissan Ultimate payments were$257 a month. Yeah. And you were probably decently close to paying it off. I was like 70, 80 % off.
1:20:47Allow this to be your learning mistake. I was going to say for situations where it's so difficult and the income stretch is so large and the sacrifice is so long to get out of it, bankruptcy is sometimes an option. but for you again the car is the issue yeah and you're not going to want to give that up during a bankruptcy likely through your situation so again the things that would be forgiven are even the things that are holding you back as much so you need to look at getting rid of this car okay but if it all of a sudden comes in like the value of 15 000 this is going to start becoming not worth it you're just going to have to grind this out for like five years and the reason you kind of have to is for your future yeah your self right now and through your early 30s if that's the worst case and that's what you have to go down you just have to remind yourself that it's literally for the next five six decades of your life that's why you're doing it yeah but it will be a suffering of a few years it really will yeah hopefully we don't have to do that though no i'm gonna i'm gonna make the calls as soon as i leave and then i'm gonna go ahead and meet up with uh i don't know see if i can get anything remotely close to the 25k for this yeah i mean you were correct about your hammer financial score we're i mean let's let's change the mood let's have more juicy fun conversations about uh that stuff in the post show so make sure you guys uh click the join button below or check out the link and join us for the post show and all the other member streams and things that we do help support the channel uh but for your hammer financial score i think you're completely correct i mean you overspend on your budget so zero debt you have collections zero emergency fund you have nothing zero retirement you're drawing from that you're Pulling from it is zero.
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